DAF TurboTwin - When Monsters Tried to Takeover The Dakar
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2024
- In the late eighties, something unimaginable was happening in the world of racing! Formula-1 cars' engines reached levels of one and a half thousand horsepower, rally monsters, de facto, were ground-based rockets... In the world of trucks, there was also a stereotype-breaking machine: a twin-engine monster truck flying through the desert at speeds exceeding 200 kilometers per hour, easily overtaking... Group B rally cars! The DAF TurboTwin is not only one of the most famous vehicles ever to participate in the Paris-Dakar rally, but also perhaps the craziest racing truck! Just think about it: two engines, two gearboxes, and a top speed of 240! Only a breakdown or an accident could stop the DAF Turbo-Twin... De Rooy aimed to win the overall Dakar classification, and if not for a terrible accident, Jan could have achieved triumph...
#dakar #rally #motorsport - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I apologize to anyone whose ears are bothered by the incorrect pronunciation of DAF. I'm still learning to voice with the help of AI, and sometimes it's very difficult to find the right pronunciation, intonation, and so on. An attentive viewer might have also noticed issues with the stress in the surname of the great racer Ari Vatanen. I'm already working on a new series and will try to achieve better pronunciation quality.
The pronuonciation is actually not wrong, since DAF is a company based in the Netherlands.
i can't help but hear duff (as in the simsons beer), DAF pronounced in dutch is more like d'ah'f
Dukah too. Im not sure why americans pronounce Ah sound as Uh. Surely makes things difficult for non speakers?
I'm from Finland, and let me assure you, our names are usually pronounced way more... Colorfully.
@@bobrockmann7521 as a dutch person, it actually is wrong though, I'm sorry to say...
Racing in the 80's was like watching gladiators: Insane, deadly and I imagine exciting. Current day racing is like watching UFC. Very skilled, well thought out and still exciting but safe(er).
well said
Not just racing, cars in general seemed like every car company wanted to flex with what they can build. These days it feels like a competition how big of a screen they can fit inside...
Current day racing is like watching golf. It's dead boring.
@@HeavenlyWarrior.....rally racing and Isle of Man TT is still fast and deadly races today.
There's a Dutch documentary called "Daf in Le Dakar: De woestijn bleef leeg" (the desert remained empty. It is about the crash and the aftermath. There are interviews with quite a lot of DAF higher ups, other people involved, and Theo van de Rijt. His interview is heart breaking. He says he doesn't, but you can tell he blames himself. He rides his bicycle for 20 km's daily to clear his mind. There's a lot of guilt there.
The dune section it crashed, was more of a series of ruts, not big dunes. It was right at the end of the fast run, so they were doing 160 to 180 km/h. It rolled several hundred metres in distance. Theo van de Rijt was still in the cab, Chris Ross was right in front of it and Cees van Loevezijn was 30 to 40 meters from the cab. In the rules, the seat mounts weren't mentioned and nobody thought to reinforce them. They were the same as the production truck.
There is some pretty grim footage from a French TV crew. Their helicopter was commandeered as it had flown ahead of the race he night before the crash. A sandstorm at the start grounded all helicopters, including the rescue team. The TV helicopter was the only one able to fly, so it acted as rescue. It was first on the scene and the cameraman runs up to the cab and films everything, close up. He walks over to Van Loevezijn and films him for a short while.
you mean this one? th-cam.com/video/PSQzUeakQg8/w-d-xo.html andere tijden
@@yepyepyepyep4602 Yes. Andere Tijden (Different Times) is a historical series. This is the episode I'm referring to.
Two 11.6 L diesel engines with 3 turbos for each. That's a unique configuration I never knew existed out there.
A poor decision by DAF itself to put a low experienced 'office staff crew' in one of the fastest rallytrucks of it's era! Victim was Jan De Rooy, who missed out on a victory, caused by poor leadership of DAF's executives.
a driver crashing isnt any executives fault at all. stupid thought process
@@nomercyinc6783a driver with zero driving experience😂
@@nomercyinc6783 read better: 3 pencilpushers were put in a world top 3 rallytruck WITHOUT ANY WIDER EXPERIENCE!! Clear??!
@@baeruuttehei1393 Theo van de Rijt rode with Jan de Rooy in the first years, helping him win. He was not a pencil pusher. The fact you think Jan de Rooy is the vicim and not Cees van Loevezijn, who died, and Ross and Van de Rijt who were seriously injured. is insane.
@@Yvolve nice insinuation there! I was 27 years of age when this all happened and remember it quite well. Jan De Rooy was, of course, the competitional victim in this story because DAF bowed for the negative media attention and stopped right away, although the team in Africa had another agreement in case of an accident: continue in honour of those who cannot drive anymore! Then: Theo van de Rijt did NOT have driver experience in Africa; before he was navigator/technician beside JDR. Chris Ross was the technician, as far as known to me without rally experience. About Kees van Loevezijn I know, from a friend working at DAF's marketing department at that time, he was active in sales and had no rally experience. God rests his soul. Enough explanation like this?
The trucks are currently in the DAF museum in Eindhoven, the Netherlands. Worth a visit if you’re in the area.
Jan is still a legend in the Netherlands. His son is carrying the torch
Great to see you including how the truck category and DAF ended up in the Dakar in the first place, as it provides a basis for understanding how "unlimited" class competitions in motorsports push the boundaries of engineering. In a similar vein, current rally cars are pretty much just as if not faster than the legendary Group B cars but that too is only possible thanks to the lessons learned in that era. Despite being a completely different field of competition, bicycle racing is currently facing the same dilemma of rally races in that they have no control over spectators and course interventions leading to many of the best athletes being knocked out of races or injured. Sadly, just as with motorsports, it might take a complete and utter disaster for them to learn from experience rather than history.
Danger was always being a big part of motoraces, it's about pushing the limits and fearlessness. And rallyes are most dangerous, all crew members has to take it or shouldn't race.
Yeah that was quite a sight to see, a Peugeot getting overtaken by a Daf Truck, just horrible that this iconic image is overshadowed by a horrible crash.
Just some side information for the people that haven't heard it yet: Jan De Rooy, the driver mentioned in this video: passed away January 30th this year at the age of 80. Lovely to see that his legacy is is still remaining and people world wide still talk about this Dakar legend. Rest in peace legend.
Duf….Duf….DUF?!?! Who is Duf Trucks. DAF - Dee Ahh Ffff - DAF…like “Daffy Duck” minus the fy at the end. No “U” in it, and the aren’t Springfield’s finest beer 😂😂
right? sounds so fucking dumb
Wait until you discover that there is a world outside of the US where people pronounce stuff differently.
@dominikborowsk its an ai
@@dominikborowski from England we don't pronounce it "duff" it has an "a"
Yeah there's not a w in route either
Sadly jan de rooy passed away a few months ago
Yes, on the 30th of January( But his team will carry out his legacy.
Rip
RIP Jan De Rooy (1943-2024)
Rip .. thanks for the memories Tamanresett 1987 🙏
It's always one who spoils the fun for everyone else.
and who would you say spoiled the fun for every one? Daf for following the ruels as writen or the rally organicers for not realicing the fatal flaw in their struck specifikations from the start? no one is perfect and accidents happen if we didn't get these accidents to help these beloved motorsports evolve we would not have as "safe" a motorsport scene as we have today. its far safer now then heck even just ten years ago.
@@KristofferEk it's the rally organizers that ruined the fun by enforcing the speed limits when the tragedy was obviously not due to the speed but to the seats getting detached and seat belts being not fixed to the cage.
@@Chamieiniibetit was an excuse, there's a global war on speed because speed = freedom to do whatever you want with your property. This leftist ideology permeates all levels of Motorsport down to the average Joe on the street.
Stuff like this makes me proud to work at DAF in Eindhoven
As you should be.
Why? It failed miserably and it is an american company now.
@@miskatonic6210 well not really, it's just owned by an american company
A good thing you got the power correct! Some online articles go as far as to claim 2400 horsepower for the ultimate 1988 TurboTwin but this is the result of someone confusing the total combined output for a _per engine_ output and assuming that it still had to be doubled.
The truck had a pair of compound turbocharged 600 horsepower (or 610, depending on the rating standard) engines for a total of 1200 hp (or 1220).
I was a kid when DAF reached their peak and followed every second of it.
I, and the rest of the truck-Dakar loving world, was gutted when the news of the crash broke.
Rumors back then were that they crashed at over 220km/h.
They apparently missed a sand-drift because of the angle of the sun.
I'm still sad thinking back to it...
So instead of using what was learned from the truck crash to mandate that seatbelts for trucks must have their seatbelts attached to the roll cage they instead decided to limit the power of all competing trucks. Makes no sense. Who makes up these rules?
Have you driven a truck with seatbelts attached to body or rollcage?
If these trucks have suspension seats fitted, the seatbelts will damn near tear you in half. We all found that out the hard way.
@@patrickvanderlaan1151Would have thought a full harness would be the way to go and that suspension seats would be out of the question.
@@Kenno10rapidA truck with no suspension seat? You wanna crush someone's spine or something?
I'm going to argue one thing about this so called danger of "unlimited engineering", the 80s were a beautiful time for these engineers to shine but what should've been asked for them is for the safety of drivers to keep up with that. This conversation wouldn't be happening if those harnesses had been bolted to the cage instead of the seats, which doesn't make any sense.
KAMAZ 🏆
I belive Subaru had a couple buggies before buggies were a thing in dakar I'd love to hear about those insane things it was my favorite to watch when ever I saw it on Eurosport back in the day.
Excellent video. I didn’t know that. Now I love the Dakar even more.
4:41 Karel Loprais, what a career he had!
I see the Pinzgauer racer with the retro livery @1:22 - @1:32 and it got me thinking: if you know BeamNG, there is a vehicle named the Autobello Stambecco. It's inspired by the Pinzgauer and it's had a long production span according to the lore (1971 - 1988 with an air-cooled 2.6 I6 and 1989 - 2007 with a water-cooled 2.8 I6 Turbodiesel). It has a dune racing version but it's based on the newer version (1989 - 2007) and its livery seems too modern. So, what if there was a dune racer with a retro livery based on what we see here and also based on the older version (1971 - 1988)? That would be great!
Group B was amazing.
I think the main problem was spectators would not stay out of the road.
I say if someone stand in the road during a road race, they get what they get.
No reason to end the races.
The Turbo Twin was amazing.
Any time there is a new type of racing there will be fatalities.
Safety rules are written in blood after all.
I wish they had just made a rule change stating that seat belts must be anchored to the roll cage.
hard pass on ai voice
That’s not an AI voice lol
@@kevinxodemonth yes it is.... look at the channel pinned comment
You learn something new every day. I always thought DAF was a German brand for some reason
Probably confusing DAF and MAN.
I honestly wish racing and cars in general would still be as interesting as back then.
Loved this video, truly an astonishing machine in wild motorsport of 80s. Maybe you could make a video about Volkswagen Iltis Dakar run and how it helped in creation of Audi Quattro
You're reading my mind! I just started thinking about the history of the Audi Quattro S1 today and was considering starting with the story of the development of the quattro all-wheel-drive system, Jörg Bensinger, Ferdinand Piëch, the Iltis, and the Dakar. I'm thinking about how to harmoniously bring it all together))
Typical Motorsport Associations banning an entire group because of an unrelated accident.
I hope there's an equivalent 'no-rule' truck built just for the sake of it, to see the maximum capability of such trucks. Similar to Porsche 919 EVO.
Beatiful animation🎉🎉
Just like Group B, things should be unlimited with personal responsibility.
If racers & engineers want to risk their lives for 1st place, let them.
That drive, and innovations, are the most entertaining.
Well no one really nose about daf daker racing..shame it went bad be an interesting watch on a Sunday for sure 😮
good video, mate!!!
so basically instead of new safety policy like position of seatbelt they simply ban fast cars...stupid
Trucks are now safer and with better suspension and engines, they could remove the limiters and easily reach 260, but no, they had to limit them for something that happened 40 years ago
@@G.A.M.Y.no different to the road rules.
Trucks and cars all better than 80s. Roads and highways better too, yet speed limits haven’t changed.
Bro im actually from the netherlands and we have a DAF museum and one of those Turbotwin trucks is there and it's pretty cool.
Hail to the Lions!
great video! could you do one for the audi quattro s1?
Would like to see a drakar video on bombardier, the ds650 is very slept on
there is a calculation mistake from hp to kw at 3:16. hp is always higher. other then that great video :)
Unlimited Production, no limits, no restrictions desert racing still exists to this day but its not in Dakar. It's in Baja. Trophy Trucks will go 140MPH+ and will race for 24 straight hours. There is truly nothing else like it.
The trophy trucks run in Dakar, but in the steep loose dunes, they are not in advantage, and not agile enough in the goat track hills. Too big too heavy.
@@kennethprocak5176 the trophy trucks do not run in dakar. the last one that did was piloted by robby gordon and the organizers banned it mid rally for being too fast
SCORE has a 14-page set of general regulations, a 19-page set of competition regulations, and a 3-page set of rules specifically for Trophy Trucks; however, the Trophy Truck Unlimited class does allow unlimited engine displacement, and is generally free of performance-limiting restrictions.
2×11.6L in-line 6 engines each with 3 turbochargers & 1,220hp each
=23.2l in-line 6 'sixtuple' 6× turbochargers 2,440hp diesel engined truck 🚚 WTF
80kph = 50mph so 160kph is 100mph still awesome
What a treasure I found
Please do Tatra next
I wish they would bring back the large capacity motorcycles.
Would it be possible to know the title of the soundtrack from 6:30 to 7:00? Thanks.
I wonder which "Engineer" decided to attach restrain harness mounting points to the seats ? Almost Trabant s#it .
They were dutch...
The trucks don’t have the top speed anymore, but they still fly.
Duff beer for me, deff beer for you, i love a duff, youll love one too
DAMMMMMMMMM
Do similar for KAMAZ please.
I don’t get why they had to ban the category, just make a rule that seat bases must be reinforced and harnesses must be secured to the cage.
A sad side note to this story is, like @baeruuttehei1393 already noted here below, a lot of knowlagable people at the time said only Jan de Rooy could controll these monsters, and he did in the first race with the turbo twin. Another not so funny fact is that Jan de Rooy would have won the overall Paris Dacar in the turbo twin, but since it was a French race, the race leadership could not let this happen of course. A pays-Bas person, beating the French, sacre blue, non non!!! So Jan was hit with one questionable rule "violation" after the other and got a ton of time panalties and was basically sabotaged by the race organizers (all French of course) so that in the end the french won the race. What a surprice!!
106 mph limit now for top division cars, so they accelerate like a scared cat now.
They just should let them go crazy, even they know their limit, and now with more safety it should be good
I DONT NEED TO SEE THE VIDEO. the answer is MOMENTUM. a lot of weight and a lot of speed= A LOT OF ENERGY!
0:55 🧑🔧👨🏼🔧👩🏭🧑🏭👨🏻🏭👩🏼⚕️🧑⚕️👨🏼⚕️
It’s DAF not DUF?
Duffman says, you can't pronounce the name of this truck correctly. A-who-haa!
If only they make the suspension better we could've seen trucks go 200 to 250 nowadays
3:16 hp and kw are either twisted or wrong because 1kw = around 1.3hp so 150hp cant be 231kw
The pronounciation is correct. It's a dutch brand
of DAF? i mean its close but not correct, its pronounced with an Ahh instead of an Uhh
Its pronounced D A F F not D U F
How about ford focus 2002 tdi a story how it whose
So much video, so little information about the trucks. Not a single mention of suspension, which is the most important feature of a rally vehicle.
Sad story, but those were fuckin good times to be alive
Also we really need to stop blaming things as “dangerous” when it was really person error that resulted in failure. No more dummy proofing society
Somebody make a 2d racer with the graphics plzzz
Video starts at 7.07
Mighty Mac wasn't the name of the truck it was the name of their sponsor a high end sports clothing company.
DUF??
Pinned comment by the uploader says he was using Text-to-Speech, and the AI narrator wasn't set up correctly to pronounce DAF right.
The driving not that grate went over center line several times
Baja 1000 > Dakar' Rally
😂❤
Pst, it was better in the 80’s. A lot better! Sh*t was real :D
Its sad how the fuck up of one person /team always manages to fuck everything for every one else.
Rather than push engineering to increase safety, it's cheaper to change to rules. This is the beginning of decline.
It's not DUFF it's DAF
Solution: don’t use AI
Agreed. The AI voice is almost always bad and distracting and annoying.
Beasts. And the USA thinks hummers are impressive
some of us might, but everyone I've actually talked to on the matter thinks that hummers are even dumber than the people that buy them...including a fair few hummer owners (I used to work at a gas station so that sample set is a lot bigger than you'd think even if you exclude the much larger set of people who rented one while on vacation, they pretty much universally _hated_ the damned things even before they saw the size of their fuel bill)
frankly I can't actually think of any "people in the US think that" statements that I can actually agree with, part of that _might_ be because there's actually a fair bit of truth to the stereotype that "people in Oregon are a mix of the rednecks who already lived here and people who made it big in sillicon valley and got the heck out of California and that tends to make us *weird*" but for the most part its just hard to find generalizations that are mostly true within a group of 5 friends with similar backgrounds and life situations let alone something as large and diverse as the united states of america...I know you've probably heard that before but seriously, the city I grew up in has a larger population than half the countries on the planet of people speaking several dozen languages carrying on literally hundreds of microcultures and that's just one port city, a city which if you ask someone in another country what that city is all about (and keep going untill you find someone who has heard of it) you will probably hear something about breweries making weird coffee and interesting booze.
Just read your script yourself? Bit of practice and surely you are gonna be better than AI duckarr duff trucks
My thoughts exactly
DAF not DUF.
WHERE IS KAMAZ? KAMAZ IS THE BEST.
Duff-man says, oh no.
Classic motorsport shitty regulations: you've got pilots injured due to seat belts attached imporoperly? Let's ban the entire vehicle class based on their max speed!
Might as well call it Nascar when restrictor plate racing is the norm, no resemblance to the original racing and innovation is dead. Ruined + boring like the rest of pro racing.
These trucks are still very fast! And safety is good thing.
Like the halo or the aeroscreen for Indy cars
You need re-upload this with the correct pronunciation of DAF, you've no credibility leaving the way it is!
It's challenging to get the AI to pronounce it correctly. I'm already working on a new series. But thanks for the advice
@@Mechanix.Illustrated Stop using AI then, it's trash.