There’s a video of vote outs that made no sense. I guess there’s a subtle difference. Like we could talk about the episode pascal went out by drawing rocks
If you view Gabon as Sugar's story, where she's bullied by a bunch of psychopaths, and realizes she has no chance to win (having scarcely been able to build relationships), but still takes her revenge by ensuring a nice guy wins instead of one of the psychopaths... Bob's win is pretty great.
What's important to note about Erika in 41 as well is that her premerge content was misrepresented of what actually happened as well. Deshawn was trying to get Sydney out instead and Erika was in on it but they twisted it for some reason. They did the same for Heather, in episode 4, her only confessional about being proud of failing the challenge was completely taken out of context. Deshawn, Erika, and Heather were a trio and it impacted so much of the gameplay at the merge. When 3/4 of the literal final 4 is never given any story development despite working together from day 1, combined with an unnecessarily visible 0 vote finalist, it's bound to cause outrage and hate which is a shame because I do think the actual story of 41 was more compelling on the island than the edited product.
A season doesn’t necessarily need a good winner to be satisfying, but this might have been the dullest final four we’ve ever had. Drop the four indeed.
@@olivermensinger602241 was an amazing season with really entertaining gameplay, but with one of the worst edits of all time as well as some of the worst handled twists of all time.
@@TEGRIDY_FARMS You're not giving Natalie enough credit. A lot of her gameplay and win equity was greatly overshadowed in the edit. They did this because Heroes vs Villains was finished before editing on Samoa, so everyone knew that Russell was going to be BIG. This unfortunately means that Natalie got shafted in terms of editing, despite the fact that she had a genuinely incredible social game. That's the one thing Russell didn't have. He couldn't manage the jury. A jury that wasn't bitter like say- the Fiji jury, or the All-Stars jury. Russell was genuinely an ass to all of them, they had no reason to vote him. Natalie is the reason that he MADE IT to Final tribal council. SHE defeated Galu, not Russell.
@@TEGRIDY_FARMS nope, the rat got his cheese after, but he definitely did not deserve to win this one just because production loved him giving him all the confessionals.
I'm absolutely shocked Gabler didn't make the list. I didn't process Gabler as a win contender until the moment Jeff was reading the votes with his name on them, whereas I pretty much figured out Erika and Chris by the finale / final tribal speeches.
I mean, the edit told you straight out several times that he had a good chance. His performance in the premiere made everyone think he had no chance of winning so everyone just ignored his confessionals when he was talking about his strategy. On a rewatch his win is very obvious.
I was honestly torn between whether to include Erika or Gabler, but in hindsight Gabler's win just clicked into place for me way more, and I felt like I'd written him off as a kooky old man when the signs were there all along.
Natalie isn’t even a bad winner. Where Russell needed to create his own chaos to fight back Galu, Natalie used what was already there by getting the tribe to turn on Erik early on. She also understood that the jury was looking for reasons not to vote Russell, and took advantage of that in the final tribal
Natalie is by far the strongest player on Samoa. She bonds with the Galu women that results in the Erik boot and shapes the whole post-merge. She correctly recognizes that the jury will not vote for Russell and that he will take her to the end regardless. She allows him to flame out while she remains on good terms with every single person who goes out of the game. She recognizes that she will never be the target for a vote if the Foa Foa’s have to turn on one another. On the flipside, we have the second strongest player in Russell who deliberately puts his team at a disadvantage going into the merge and trashes every person as they head out the door. Ueah, he makes some great moves, including using an idol on Natalie to keep her safe for a tribal, but social game always reigns supreme and Natalie had him beat by a mile.
Natalie understood the lay of the land, developed a clear plan to win, executed flawlessly by riding Russell like a bulldozer while building relationships under his nose, and articulated it all to the jury. Such a deserving win. Toxic Russell fans can eat all the shit.
@@handsoaphandsoap I'd say Russell Swan is, if he hadn't been med evac'd, Galu isn't winning period, Foa Foa before the med evac, went to tribal council once, and the episode that they did (which both tribes went to tribal), they vote out Shanbow easily, they may have lost one, but they're still ahead by a lot, after that, it's hard to tell, but Russell Swan Foa Foa were clearly stronger than Russell Swanless Foa Foa
@@varisrevolver4061 Very true, Russell Swan was definitely the glue holding them together. But still, Galu enter the merge up in numbers and decide to eat their own thanks to Natalie and she deserves more credit for the move cause if she doesn't pull that off, Russell Hantz would have to use the idol in that first merge tribal, meaning he won't have the idol for the following Kelly boot which is where Foa Foa is able to take control of the game. Erik also goes out with the Galu idol which could've upset the power dynamics again back to Galu.
the one rob win current curtain was ridiculous.... Too obvious comma completely set up for him to win with a bunch of idiots.. I used to think was it just coincidence. nowadays knowing how survivor does things.. Probably not
To be fair with Chris, the only way the editors could show him as a competent player prior to the finale would be to spend a TON of time on EoE showing Chris being social with future jurors, which would both make it blatantly obvious that he’d win (or at least return at the end) and wouldn’t make for very dynamic TV in an era of Survivor that promoted “making big moves.”
Sugar's pre-season moment is that she makes eye contact with Susie and Bob, the nice older folk during some part of casting process and she just had good vibes. Yes. Bob's story was Sugar's pre-season moment prior to the marooning.
@@jiro110i've always thought that 44 was like a chaotic good version of gabon in terms of its subversiveness (ie gabon was run by a socially awkward gamer, a sassy olympian who sucks at challenges, and an unhinged pinup model, and its biggest challenge beasts were a lanky 60 yo science teacher and a middle aged hairdresser -- 44 was run by loud, flamboyant gay guy who makes sound effects, a 20 yo overachiever without much life experience and carolyn, and its biggest challenge beast was an extra smiley gabby) but i will concede that gabon is FULL of petty drama and 44 has very little of that
I would argue Sandra's HvV win is right outside of this list. They really shafted her for no good reason when she's one of the best confessional givers of all time. She had like what, 6 episodes in a row with no confessional?
for what it's worth apperently she was the edgic front runner from the coach boot forward ?? i don't get why (i guess no one else rly had that strong of an edit) but that should probably disqualify her from this convo unless the list was a top 15 or smth
@@uglyaniimals If I remember correctly, it's because she truly was the only one left that had a storyline for the end. Everyone else was either without any storyline like most of the heroes outside of JT, Danielle, Courtney, and Jerri (even though Jerri did get a redemption arc, it was relatively shafted in the edit). The only other people left were shown very negatively in Russell, Parvati, and JT. It really left Sandra, who had a one-sided Russell rivalry storyline that the edit loved to prop up that made it pretty clear she was the only person with a shot to win left, beating the final boss Russell at the end.
@@aidanmillow566 interesting ! i know amazon was supposedly SUPER spoiled which may have been part of why jenna's edit was so weird and i know spoiled folks have a tendency of sometimes leaking into even unspoiled edgic boards, i wonder if that played a factor or if there was something abt jenna's edit they picked up on
It makes me sad how dirty they did Jenna, especially because Survivor was such a big part of her family's life. She deserves better and I hope she has happy future.
Just remember, she laughed all the way to the bank. Seriously. I can't imagine most of these people care enough about what a bunch of Internet trolls think of them to be hurt by it, and if they do then that's on them.
I'll never understand the bewilderment of Natalie's win. It was essentially Amber 2.0, except this time more competent and totally telegraphed. ''He's the asshole, I'll be the nice one who actually likes people'', done.
Natalie's game makes sense in retrospect but the edit itself doesn't do it any sort of justice. There have been lowkey winners (Vecepia, Danni, Michele) where the edit gives them small, subtle moments in the narrative that can be more easily noticed on a rewatch, but there is pretty much no meat on the bone for Natalie at all, bordering on a purple edit. I can't blame first time viewers for thinking Russell was robbed because, for all intents and purposes, the edit was telling the audience that throughout all of Samoa.
She didn't speak until episode 4. Unheard then and now for a winner. People thought she was a ftc loser and Mick would beat Russell maybe. I agree she spoke her game early on but it basically just summed up how she makes it to the end. There wasn't much else until the finale. Though everyone did pause when she got credit for the Erik boot. I'll say that. But again many ftc losers had moves so it wasn't anything that made people say she is the frontrunner now.
Seasons 41-43 really bothered me in how their results differed from the story we were presented. Erica, Maryann and Gabler are likable enough as winners, but their landslide votes really had me scratching my head.
The Mason-Dixon (if I remember correctly) Alliance between Nick and Christian Stealth R Us. Not really stealthy with the weird name, not to mention that all members have a codename.
Looking back at EoE, I can appreciate Chris’ win. Since the Edge was able to sit in on tribals, they watched Gavin try and fail to blindside Rick multiple times throughout the season. Chris managed to take Rick out
Erika was my preseason winner going into 41, so I spent basically the entire season overdosing on copium that she could somehow win, so I was very aggressive with people who were saying that she did nothing and that Xander deserved it. Also, I would say Gabler deserves a spot on this list over her because I remember people thinking Erika was a winner contender by the endgame, whereas nobody thought Gabler was winning even at final tribal
I literally just finished my first watch through of Samoa and I think Natalie might be one of my fav winners of the teens era of the show (Other than Todd or Yul). Her manipulation to get Erik out was actually AMAZING and she definitely mastered hiding behind a bigger target knowing if she was just herself she'd have a better shot at getting votes over someone who purposefully antagonized the rest of the tribe.
How can Gabler not be on this top 5 list? The editors did everything they could in the first half of the season to show us not only that he couldn't possibly win, but that he was an idiot who didn't deserve to win. The editing was so bad that it left a ton of people angry at the jury vote and assuming that the jury was just bitter towards Cassidy and Owen.
Yeah, Gabler's edit was waaaay less obvious than Erika's. As Jeff was reading the votes I was thinking "yeah, Cassidy's performance was bad but it's not like the jury would suddenly vote for Gabler lol". I liked the guy and he 100% deserved it, but it was way out of left field.
Gabler’s edit is extremely clear, it almost fits neatly into a three act structure. It’s still bad but it makes much more sense than the way either Cassidy or Owen are edited, the former being barely present and the latter being undermined at every turn. The problem with 43 is that the edit invests so much time into Karla, Cody and specifically Jesse in favor of the winning story of Gabler when he actually played a fairly solid under the radar social game, not that the audience had known that considering he’s barely on the season.
God. Gabler Stan’s can not shut up. Biggest bunch of sore winners ever. Here’s why he was “under edited”. 1) he’s boring AF. His one personality trait is “wacky”. And not even in a fun way, just annoying. 2) he lacked any sort of game plan. He was not some behind the scenes mastermind. He was taken to the end because he was a goat. 3) he only won because he was on a jury of all goats. None of them beat anyone on the jury. 4) stay mad about it but there was some level of bitterness on that jury. I’m not saying Cassidy should have won (she was a goat) but don’t pretend Karla and Jesse weren’t bitter. With all that in mind the producers really had very little to work with.
I think having surprise winner edits is a very good thing for the show. We're just used to the idea of a "winner edit" that being surprised is fun every once in a while. As someone who was rooting for Gabler to win the whole time I personally enjoyed it
I really felt Erika was a pretty obvious winner candidate post Shan boot. They always showed her positively and she had back-to-back episodes of gaming the votes. DeShawn had the moment where he tried to truthbomb her or whatever, and she made the comment that she "saved him". Xander by comparison came across as oblivious, and in the final episode they lay that aspect on thick.
I hope you would speak about the international Survivor this episode because, oh boy, there so many contender for least obvious winner.. and for most obvious winner too 😂
Rick Devons was use to prop up Chris to win! Rick Was The Final Boss! However he dose great on The Challenge USA 2! Personally I’m not upset that Chris won because the other two people in the final three did less than he did and they played for 39 days! Chip Won!
I would love to see what kind of edit Natalie would have gotten had the producers not decided to make Samoa just one long advertisement of hyping up Russell before HvV.
See, the problem with comments like this is, it assumes there's a huge amount of very dynamic and interesting content that was deliberately left on the cutting room floor. This tends to be mostly based on people who were on the island saying "Here's what _really_ happened . . . " with all the usual caveats about hearsay in full effect. But sometimes you do see clips that were not included. And in this particular case, Natalie seems to have been dishwater dull. Watch, for instance, the montage of her voting confessionals side by side with Russell's. Once Upon an Island has it up somewhere.
I’m not saying that we were robbed of what would have been the most interesting player of all time, I’m just saying that when your runner-up has 108 confessionals (the most of any player over a season and more than some three time players have gotten across all of their seasons) while your winner only has 15, then something has definitely gone wrong.
I always say that but Samoa could be a top 5 season but that editing ruins everything. It would be soooo satisfaying seen a great person like Natalie who were so underatimated by Russell beating him in the end but producers are crazy and gaves us that....
Chris deserved his win and is overhated by the fans. If there is anything to hate, it is the production who came up with the idea for the season. Chris did amazingly for his situation.
I was actually one of the few who had Natalie pegged as a winner. NOT right away - there was no way I was choosing her in those first few episodes. But by the merge, I was like 75% sure that the game was hers. This was my logic: 1. We just had an unconventional UTR winner in Bob two seasons ago, and I was aware that winning edits could be different from the standard. 2. Russell had TOO much screentime and negativity for a winner, and I had written him off as an infuriating distraction. 3. Not a single member of Galu other than Shambo had any screentime or development for me to think they had a chance, and Shambo was too much of a cartoon character for me to think she had a chance either. 4. If we were going by "closest to standard winner edit" rules, then MICK would have been the frontrunner based on analysis myself and other people in the Survivor communities were figuring out at the time, and I was like, "There is NO shot this boring-ass, just-kind-of-there guy is winning." That led to me thinking this was another UTR winner season by the halfway point, and Natalie made more sense to me than Jaison or any member of Galu. A part of me dreaded that Russell might still have a chance in some weird world, but most of me was confident that if he was the winner, he would have gotten at least one cooldown episode.
I mean Dave Ball might’ve not got a lot of screen time but he was great when he was! Jeff: Basketball your spot? Dave: Making love my spot! Jeff: Play an lot? Dave: Not often enough! That is iconic to me!
Erikas edit felt like they wanted to make the twist seem so big. Itmust have been an idea everyone was behind and it was a great thing and when it worked out and helped change the game the producers wanted that emphasized. The truth is there was only one choice..... she would literally never take the other choice unless everyone she was with had lost. Probably heard her 'in like a lamb, out like a lion quote' and got fixated on that too. Her pre game was taken away, apparently she worked with Dayshaun and Heather were working together behind the scenes. She had alot more adjency than the show gave her credit for. They either didn't think that was good, or got super into the twist and theme of her quote. That and they pushed up Xander so much for.... nothing.
4:08 regarding Erica's win, a couple months before her season aired, I got a couple TikToks of her on my page of her talking about Survivor. Interesting....
i think gabler is in the top 5, his win was probably the first time watching live that i’ve actually been truly shocked by a winner. almost no one thought he even had a chance, even coming into the finale. that was a crazy edit they gave him
I will continue to die on the hill of Erika having the worst winners EDIT in survivor history. Yes Natalie was more invisible, but confessionals we did get from her presented her strategy and exactly how she planned to win Survivor and it worked. They actively made Erika look like a mediocre and lucky winner, when she was the opposite. If the fanbase is perceiving the Winner as the Goat, and the Goat as the Winner.. that’s a problem😂
Im still proud of being able to actually look at certain bits of the edit and predict Erika wins She’s the only person i’ve been able to pin as the winner from an edit point of view (even before Shan’s boot) lol
I disagree with Erika being here but that may be because I actually called her as the winner well before the end. I don't know I didn't try to track edits back then, it just made sense to me. All the people being highlighted as threats weren't going to make it to the end. I was certain she had won when she got taken to the end. Maybe that's just me though. Gabler was definitely the least obvious new era winner to me pesonally, though I know others saw the signs. Definitely done dirty by the edit, but I don't know about "least obvious".
Mental, maybe im crazy but i felt like they were building Bob for the win from the off? Literally when watching i thought this is the guy that wins and i think i got swayed into thinking maybe Sugar would win at certain parts down the stretch. Bob is one of the few i guessed correctly very early on.
As for Erika, I know most will disagree but I believe her negative winners edit was the American producers bitter a Canadian one of the first itmes they allowed them.
Natalie was actually my winner pick for Samoa. I felt proud, especially considering that Samoa was the second season I had ever watched(my first was China).
The irony with this video is that if someone listened to it without watching S6 Amazon, the edit of it would almost sound like Christy was crying wolf. The actual reason Jenna won is because she was in the finale against Matt. It wasn’t the reason it was out of nowhere, they focused on Rob C mist of the time and that is cuz he was actually playing survivor and why heavily show the person playing like a spoiled entitled person. I mean even Christy voted for Jenna over Matt and said on the finale it was because she at least knew Jenna and barely knew Matt. the honest edit of Jenna was shown, they just werent interested in featuring it, Jenna stated in the finale that she has grown since but that she did play like a spoiled entitled person. You mention that Jenna got all but one vote and anyone watching your video would have assumed that lone vote was from Christy, your awesome but ya got this one wrong 😜
I still am always a bit surprised at how Erika was a shock win. Seemed exceedingly obvious to me after the hourglass twist, with only Dee being in the same level of "that person is winning" from the merge point.
@@lerdog Just the whole "We are going to throw" thing that failed really to me made her the winner, end game final boss, or outside chance of Naseer being the winner and this was a heroic thing. If Erika was not a part of the endgame, and Naseer doesnt win or get clipped in 5th/4th... zero reason to show that story to me.
Problem with the Winner Edit is that it focuses on the winner, and often at the expense of the other finalists, who in my opinion, should have their own individual storylines, we should, by nature, follow three distinct or closely related narratives that explain the rises and falls of each of them. Xander should've been shown to be a contender, but seeds should have been placed at how OTHERS view them, as an exmaple.
I'm showing my husband survivor for the first time and ahead of seeing it I told him about the concept of a Purple Edit and now we are watching Kaoh Rong and last night he said "I feel like Michelle is getting blued or whatever you call it. Purpled?"
Natalie is most likely the underrated survivor winner granted all she offers is a great social game while Russell was the most strategic and like probably most physical player of the whole season plus he has almost of the confessionals but Nat was the most important player by using her great social game to cause the eric vote and just being friends with the women mostly especially Laura plus she lowkey played russell at FTC
When your biggest competition at tribal council are Hannah and Ken, it’s really hard to see him not winning. I saw it coming but I know David was a huge contender for most fans at the time
Agree, when he had such a bad start to merge, I saw no way he could win and expected he would go at some point, but never did. I figured by the end he was going to win given who he was against, but overall it was a strange winners edit. Also, a very random reason, but at the time, nobody who appeared first on the official intro had ever won and that was stuck in my mind all season 😂
I’ll say this. At least Erika and Chris’s wins were PLEASANT surprises. If the winner is going to be hidden, I think it’s better to have them be portrayed as the “long shot” player. It’s at least a more satisfying conclusion than an unlikable or random-seeming winner. But I still won’t forgive 41 for making Xander seem so damn lovable only for him to be a 0-vote finalist. Why’d you make me love him?!?
Omg. ERICA/41 amd Maryanne/42 . Ughhhh!. I know there's been some bad or unexpected winners in the past, but wow. Those 2 about did me in for survivor and where its headed through the recent yrs.. Even thinking back to Natalie white, which was ridiculous... But that was just dislike/feelings hurt for Russell, who actually played the game hugely better.
If I was Jenna I would find the person who spoiled her season and wrung their neck since that is 100% the biggest reason for her terrible edit. Since the winner was "spoiled" they had to make fans disbelieve the spoiler (which they were succcessful in, everyone I talked to believed there was no way Jenna was the winner with that edit, so figured the spoilers of the season were all wrong, even as the results were coming in exactly like the spoilers as it went).
I actually think Chris’s win in EoE aged fairly well because it is so funny to me that an entire post-merge was completely useless. Plus, he played the best possible game he could so I hold nothing against Chris’s win because Gavin and Julie would be even more unsatisfying to me.
If Gabon had been a regular season of Survivor instead of the (beautiful) trainwreck it was, Bob, Sugar, Kenny, Susie and Randy would’ve been premerge boots
I disagreed with a lot of your commentary on the first 3. Last 2 I agreed with most of. Yeah Natalie should have gotten a little more screen time and did have some agency in her win. But she did also hitch herself to Russel for a good amount. You can call that a shield though. Jenna had little agency and her edit was merited. I saw Bob coming so idk what you mean there. On such an unlikeable cast being likable works. You can’t tout being likeable for Jenna and Natalie but not for Bob or even maybe… Chris Underwood as objectionable as his win was.
Fun fact: according to Laura, jury originally wanted to give Mick the win. But it changed when at the ftc Mick not only pulled a bad performence, but Natalie pulled a very good one and much better than we see (supposedly Kelly was negative towards her and pointed out her coattail riding, but Natalie was able to give the answer, that fully satisfied her). Still, all hail queen Ratalie
I liked Erika. Don’t understand the hate. But I’ve stopped watching cause post WaW the changes are just not interesting to me. Too much emphasis on “the new era” and it’s not working for me.
I think the rest of the top 10 is some combination of gabler, sandra (HvV), Michele, Danni, Sophie, amber, vecepia, and maryanne. So basically, a bunch of women and the alligabler. ALLIGABLER REIGNS SUPREME
I think Michele's edit doesn't look so good because we got Aubry's, but looking back her edit was incredible. She got tons of screentime premerge even though she didn't go to tribal once. We always saw her perspective, even with minor things. She's the third female winner with the biggest amount of confessionals ever.
I disagree about Maryanne. She was a continuous presence the entire season, even if she wasn't leading every vote. Her thought process was almost always shown, we were given a good understanding of the game she wanted to play, and the Omar blindside basically sealed her as the winner for me.
Chris Underwood can go to hell. His free time with the jury was effectively cheating. Not his fault, but the show should've done better. Devins for life.
If it wasn't his fault, why does he have to "go to hell?" Sounds more like you're mad at production than Chris himself. Chris simply did what any player would do when presented with that opportunity.
Definitely the worst twist we’d seen since the modern era. It’s pretty clear they struggled to edit a season where the winner is not strategizing, voting, or competing in challenges for about 10 straight episodes
Honestly to me it doesn't matter how someone is seen in the edit, every winner deserved their victory simply because that was the result we received... expect Yam Yam.
Huh, Yam Yam? Not Yul or Parvati who got bailed out by the sudden finale change, not Ben who was bailed out by a surprise fire making twist, not Chris who was literally voted out 3rd and returned at the final 5. Legitimately why Yam Yam, this take makes 0 sense to me. Heidi is 1 if the biggest goats in survivor
Russell was definitely overedited but calling the season top 10 without him is crazy. All of Natalie's 3 confessionals were extremely boring and everyone always points to her Erik play but literally nothing else. Mick and Jayson were also duds and Foa Foa may have been La Mina without Russell
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Hear me out… least obvious boot episodes.
would love this
HONESTLY.
p.s. there’s a version of this episode where it’s just Cirie boots
i like it
There’s a video of vote outs that made no sense. I guess there’s a subtle difference. Like we could talk about the episode pascal went out by drawing rocks
YESSSSŠSSSSS
If you view Gabon as Sugar's story, where she's bullied by a bunch of psychopaths, and realizes she has no chance to win (having scarcely been able to build relationships), but still takes her revenge by ensuring a nice guy wins instead of one of the psychopaths... Bob's win is pretty great.
What's important to note about Erika in 41 as well is that her premerge content was misrepresented of what actually happened as well. Deshawn was trying to get Sydney out instead and Erika was in on it but they twisted it for some reason. They did the same for Heather, in episode 4, her only confessional about being proud of failing the challenge was completely taken out of context. Deshawn, Erika, and Heather were a trio and it impacted so much of the gameplay at the merge.
When 3/4 of the literal final 4 is never given any story development despite working together from day 1, combined with an unnecessarily visible 0 vote finalist, it's bound to cause outrage and hate which is a shame because I do think the actual story of 41 was more compelling on the island than the edited product.
41 isn’t a bad season. It has a good cast, but the editing is awful.
A season doesn’t necessarily need a good winner to be satisfying, but this might have been the dullest final four we’ve ever had. Drop the four indeed.
I need a good winner for me to like a season
No amount of twists or blindsides make up for a lackluster or undeserving winner @@aperson22222
@@olivermensinger602241 was an amazing season with really entertaining gameplay, but with one of the worst edits of all time as well as some of the worst handled twists of all time.
Talked about Russell more than Natalie in the part in the video about Natalie
How perfectly meta 😂
Well, Russell should have won in Season 19.
@@TEGRIDY_FARMS You're not giving Natalie enough credit.
A lot of her gameplay and win equity was greatly overshadowed in the edit. They did this because Heroes vs Villains was finished before editing on Samoa, so everyone knew that Russell was going to be BIG.
This unfortunately means that Natalie got shafted in terms of editing, despite the fact that she had a genuinely incredible social game.
That's the one thing Russell didn't have. He couldn't manage the jury. A jury that wasn't bitter like say- the Fiji jury, or the All-Stars jury. Russell was genuinely an ass to all of them, they had no reason to vote him.
Natalie is the reason that he MADE IT to Final tribal council. SHE defeated Galu, not Russell.
@@TEGRIDY_FARMS nope, the rat got his cheese after, but he definitely did not deserve to win this one just because production loved him giving him all the confessionals.
I'm absolutely shocked Gabler didn't make the list. I didn't process Gabler as a win contender until the moment Jeff was reading the votes with his name on them, whereas I pretty much figured out Erika and Chris by the finale / final tribal speeches.
I mean, the edit told you straight out several times that he had a good chance. His performance in the premiere made everyone think he had no chance of winning so everyone just ignored his confessionals when he was talking about his strategy. On a rewatch his win is very obvious.
I was honestly torn between whether to include Erika or Gabler, but in hindsight Gabler's win just clicked into place for me way more, and I felt like I'd written him off as a kooky old man when the signs were there all along.
Natalie isn’t even a bad winner. Where Russell needed to create his own chaos to fight back Galu, Natalie used what was already there by getting the tribe to turn on Erik early on. She also understood that the jury was looking for reasons not to vote Russell, and took advantage of that in the final tribal
Natalie is by far the strongest player on Samoa. She bonds with the Galu women that results in the Erik boot and shapes the whole post-merge. She correctly recognizes that the jury will not vote for Russell and that he will take her to the end regardless. She allows him to flame out while she remains on good terms with every single person who goes out of the game. She recognizes that she will never be the target for a vote if the Foa Foa’s have to turn on one another. On the flipside, we have the second strongest player in Russell who deliberately puts his team at a disadvantage going into the merge and trashes every person as they head out the door. Ueah, he makes some great moves, including using an idol on Natalie to keep her safe for a tribal, but social game always reigns supreme and Natalie had him beat by a mile.
Natalie understood the lay of the land, developed a clear plan to win, executed flawlessly by riding Russell like a bulldozer while building relationships under his nose, and articulated it all to the jury.
Such a deserving win. Toxic Russell fans can eat all the shit.
She's a terrible winner that got carried to the end
@@handsoaphandsoap I'd say Russell Swan is, if he hadn't been med evac'd, Galu isn't winning period, Foa Foa before the med evac, went to tribal council once, and the episode that they did (which both tribes went to tribal), they vote out Shanbow easily, they may have lost one, but they're still ahead by a lot, after that, it's hard to tell, but Russell Swan Foa Foa were clearly stronger than Russell Swanless Foa Foa
@@varisrevolver4061 Very true, Russell Swan was definitely the glue holding them together. But still, Galu enter the merge up in numbers and decide to eat their own thanks to Natalie and she deserves more credit for the move cause if she doesn't pull that off, Russell Hantz would have to use the idol in that first merge tribal, meaning he won't have the idol for the following Kelly boot which is where Foa Foa is able to take control of the game. Erik also goes out with the Galu idol which could've upset the power dynamics again back to Galu.
I don't know man, I thought Boston Rob was pretty noticeable but i respect your choice
LOL 😂
the one rob win current curtain was ridiculous.... Too obvious comma completely set up for him to win with a bunch of idiots.. I used to think was it just coincidence. nowadays knowing how survivor does things.. Probably not
@@miragexl007 It was set up to Russell, they still failed to make it a good cast
To be fair with Chris, the only way the editors could show him as a competent player prior to the finale would be to spend a TON of time on EoE showing Chris being social with future jurors, which would both make it blatantly obvious that he’d win (or at least return at the end) and wouldn’t make for very dynamic TV in an era of Survivor that promoted “making big moves.”
Sugar's pre-season moment is that she makes eye contact with Susie and Bob, the nice older folk during some part of casting process and she just had good vibes. Yes. Bob's story was Sugar's pre-season moment prior to the marooning.
Sugar was possessed by a god of chaos. There’s no other way to explain Gabon
@@degeneratemale5386Gabon is just Gabon and I love it the way it is. Never will there be a season like it, but I hope to be wrong.
@@jiro110i've always thought that 44 was like a chaotic good version of gabon in terms of its subversiveness (ie gabon was run by a socially awkward gamer, a sassy olympian who sucks at challenges, and an unhinged pinup model, and its biggest challenge beasts were a lanky 60 yo science teacher and a middle aged hairdresser -- 44 was run by loud, flamboyant gay guy who makes sound effects, a 20 yo overachiever without much life experience and carolyn, and its biggest challenge beast was an extra smiley gabby) but i will concede that gabon is FULL of petty drama and 44 has very little of that
I would argue Sandra's HvV win is right outside of this list. They really shafted her for no good reason when she's one of the best confessional givers of all time. She had like what, 6 episodes in a row with no confessional?
Came in to say this!
for what it's worth apperently she was the edgic front runner from the coach boot forward ?? i don't get why (i guess no one else rly had that strong of an edit) but that should probably disqualify her from this convo unless the list was a top 15 or smth
@@uglyaniimals If I remember correctly, it's because she truly was the only one left that had a storyline for the end. Everyone else was either without any storyline like most of the heroes outside of JT, Danielle, Courtney, and Jerri (even though Jerri did get a redemption arc, it was relatively shafted in the edit). The only other people left were shown very negatively in Russell, Parvati, and JT. It really left Sandra, who had a one-sided Russell rivalry storyline that the edit loved to prop up that made it pretty clear she was the only person with a shot to win left, beating the final boss Russell at the end.
@@uglyaniimals I think Jenna was actually an (unspoiled) edgic frontrunner for a huge portion of the season too, which slightly undermined this.
@@aidanmillow566 interesting ! i know amazon was supposedly SUPER spoiled which may have been part of why jenna's edit was so weird and i know spoiled folks have a tendency of sometimes leaking into even unspoiled edgic boards, i wonder if that played a factor or if there was something abt jenna's edit they picked up on
I am dying for a re-edited samoa with less russell and more natalie
You know what's funnier than Chris winning Edge of Extinction?
My pre season winner pick being Eric. 😂
Oof!
It makes me sad how dirty they did Jenna, especially because Survivor was such a big part of her family's life. She deserves better and I hope she has happy future.
Eh, her check cleared, she got what she was entitled to.
The show and the fandom was so awful to Natalie. I truly feel bad for her
Just remember, she laughed all the way to the bank.
Seriously. I can't imagine most of these people care enough about what a bunch of Internet trolls think of them to be hurt by it, and if they do then that's on them.
@@aperson22222 This is incredibly ignorant. The things people say matter.
Maybe a history of “big move itis” video 👀
I'll never understand the bewilderment of Natalie's win. It was essentially Amber 2.0, except this time more competent and totally telegraphed. ''He's the asshole, I'll be the nice one who actually likes people'', done.
Natalie's game makes sense in retrospect but the edit itself doesn't do it any sort of justice. There have been lowkey winners (Vecepia, Danni, Michele) where the edit gives them small, subtle moments in the narrative that can be more easily noticed on a rewatch, but there is pretty much no meat on the bone for Natalie at all, bordering on a purple edit. I can't blame first time viewers for thinking Russell was robbed because, for all intents and purposes, the edit was telling the audience that throughout all of Samoa.
I’ve rewatched Somoa maybe 5 times and I am still bewildered. She was was so trash.
@@vomitself5782 At this point just change the purple edit to the White edit
because probst himself pushed the narrative that russell should’ve won during the season
She didn't speak until episode 4. Unheard then and now for a winner. People thought she was a ftc loser and Mick would beat Russell maybe. I agree she spoke her game early on but it basically just summed up how she makes it to the end. There wasn't much else until the finale. Though everyone did pause when she got credit for the Erik boot. I'll say that. But again many ftc losers had moves so it wasn't anything that made people say she is the frontrunner now.
Seasons 41-43 really bothered me in how their results differed from the story we were presented. Erica, Maryann and Gabler are likable enough as winners, but their landslide votes really had me scratching my head.
How about the weirdest alliance names of all time, as I can see The Andy Griffith alliance being in the Top 5
If it lasts. That tribe is the least clear after one episode of
rooting for both of them! i would love to see the andy griffith alliance succeed
Survivor 46 giving us 3 weird alliances names in 1 episode along with Charlie's Angels and Shaggy & Daphne
The Mason-Dixon (if I remember correctly) Alliance between Nick and Christian
Stealth R Us. Not really stealthy with the weird name, not to mention that all members have a codename.
@@lerdogIn a season with names like 'Jelinsky', 'Q' and 'Soda' of course the same season will have weird ass alliances.
Looking back at EoE, I can appreciate Chris’ win. Since the Edge was able to sit in on tribals, they watched Gavin try and fail to blindside Rick multiple times throughout the season. Chris managed to take Rick out
In some ways the Dee/Julie edit we had in 45 feels like the Erika/Heather edit we should have had in 41.
Erika was my preseason winner going into 41, so I spent basically the entire season overdosing on copium that she could somehow win, so I was very aggressive with people who were saying that she did nothing and that Xander deserved it.
Also, I would say Gabler deserves a spot on this list over her because I remember people thinking Erika was a winner contender by the endgame, whereas nobody thought Gabler was winning even at final tribal
I wanted Xander to win Survivor 41 so bad! But instead we got a woman I did not know her name until the hourglass!
I literally just finished my first watch through of Samoa and I think Natalie might be one of my fav winners of the teens era of the show (Other than Todd or Yul). Her manipulation to get Erik out was actually AMAZING and she definitely mastered hiding behind a bigger target knowing if she was just herself she'd have a better shot at getting votes over someone who purposefully antagonized the rest of the tribe.
Based on the women of survivor complaining about their vaginal health on the show, Jenna was right to keep her underwear clean .
I DID NOT EVEN KNOW THAT NATALIE WAS IN SAMOA TILL THE FINAL EPISODE
How can Gabler not be on this top 5 list? The editors did everything they could in the first half of the season to show us not only that he couldn't possibly win, but that he was an idiot who didn't deserve to win. The editing was so bad that it left a ton of people angry at the jury vote and assuming that the jury was just bitter towards Cassidy and Owen.
agree so much!!
I didn’t like Gabler and I totally agree
Yeah, Gabler's edit was waaaay less obvious than Erika's. As Jeff was reading the votes I was thinking "yeah, Cassidy's performance was bad but it's not like the jury would suddenly vote for Gabler lol". I liked the guy and he 100% deserved it, but it was way out of left field.
Gabler’s edit is extremely clear, it almost fits neatly into a three act structure. It’s still bad but it makes much more sense than the way either Cassidy or Owen are edited, the former being barely present and the latter being undermined at every turn. The problem with 43 is that the edit invests so much time into Karla, Cody and specifically Jesse in favor of the winning story of Gabler when he actually played a fairly solid under the radar social game, not that the audience had known that considering he’s barely on the season.
God. Gabler Stan’s can not shut up. Biggest bunch of sore winners ever.
Here’s why he was “under edited”. 1) he’s boring AF. His one personality trait is “wacky”. And not even in a fun way, just annoying.
2) he lacked any sort of game plan. He was not some behind the scenes mastermind. He was taken to the end because he was a goat.
3) he only won because he was on a jury of all goats. None of them beat anyone on the jury.
4) stay mad about it but there was some level of bitterness on that jury. I’m not saying Cassidy should have won (she was a goat) but don’t pretend Karla and Jesse weren’t bitter.
With all that in mind the producers really had very little to work with.
I think having surprise winner edits is a very good thing for the show. We're just used to the idea of a "winner edit" that being surprised is fun every once in a while. As someone who was rooting for Gabler to win the whole time I personally enjoyed it
Talk about someone with bad taste, then.😒
I really felt Erika was a pretty obvious winner candidate post Shan boot. They always showed her positively and she had back-to-back episodes of gaming the votes. DeShawn had the moment where he tried to truthbomb her or whatever, and she made the comment that she "saved him". Xander by comparison came across as oblivious, and in the final episode they lay that aspect on thick.
I hope you would speak about the international Survivor this episode because, oh boy, there so many contender for least obvious winner.. and for most obvious winner too 😂
Rick Devons was use to prop up Chris to win! Rick Was The Final Boss! However he dose great on The Challenge USA 2! Personally I’m not upset that Chris won because the other two people in the final three did less than he did and they played for 39 days! Chip Won!
I would love to see what kind of edit Natalie would have gotten had the producers not decided to make Samoa just one long advertisement of hyping up Russell before HvV.
See, the problem with comments like this is, it assumes there's a huge amount of very dynamic and interesting content that was deliberately left on the cutting room floor. This tends to be mostly based on people who were on the island saying "Here's what _really_ happened . . . " with all the usual caveats about hearsay in full effect.
But sometimes you do see clips that were not included. And in this particular case, Natalie seems to have been dishwater dull. Watch, for instance, the montage of her voting confessionals side by side with Russell's. Once Upon an Island has it up somewhere.
I’m not saying that we were robbed of what would have been the most interesting player of all time, I’m just saying that when your runner-up has 108 confessionals (the most of any player over a season and more than some three time players have gotten across all of their seasons) while your winner only has 15, then something has definitely gone wrong.
Funny thing about Bob, he was the first person I rooted for who won. I have no idea why, but I felt so awesome for getting that one right.
I’ve always wanted this video: The people who lost their minds on the island (like Tom Hanks in Castaway losing their mind the longer they’re there).
#1: jamie from guatamala
Does Shane count given that he lost his mind prior to arriving?
@@appleseiter15 I'd say so
I would love to see best downfall edits where the player gets completely dunked on before getting voted out!
I always say that but Samoa could be a top 5 season but that editing ruins everything. It would be soooo satisfaying seen a great person like Natalie who were so underatimated by Russell beating him in the end but producers are crazy and gaves us that....
natalie was a fine winner. the editors just did her dirty for no reason.
Erica’s lamb to lion thing always made me cringe hard because it seemed so forced
Yeah. I always reply with Tony's lions and hyenas metaphor. Erika ain't no lion.
Chris deserved his win and is overhated by the fans. If there is anything to hate, it is the production who came up with the idea for the season.
Chris did amazingly for his situation.
I was actually one of the few who had Natalie pegged as a winner. NOT right away - there was no way I was choosing her in those first few episodes. But by the merge, I was like 75% sure that the game was hers. This was my logic:
1. We just had an unconventional UTR winner in Bob two seasons ago, and I was aware that winning edits could be different from the standard.
2. Russell had TOO much screentime and negativity for a winner, and I had written him off as an infuriating distraction.
3. Not a single member of Galu other than Shambo had any screentime or development for me to think they had a chance, and Shambo was too much of a cartoon character for me to think she had a chance either.
4. If we were going by "closest to standard winner edit" rules, then MICK would have been the frontrunner based on analysis myself and other people in the Survivor communities were figuring out at the time, and I was like, "There is NO shot this boring-ass, just-kind-of-there guy is winning."
That led to me thinking this was another UTR winner season by the halfway point, and Natalie made more sense to me than Jaison or any member of Galu. A part of me dreaded that Russell might still have a chance in some weird world, but most of me was confident that if he was the winner, he would have gotten at least one cooldown episode.
Gabler should've been there instead of Erika. Her premerge is quiet, but her postmerge edit is pretty decent, specially after Shan is voted out.
I see what you did there with the cover art
I mean Dave Ball might’ve not got a lot of screen time but he was great when he was!
Jeff: Basketball your spot?
Dave: Making love my spot!
Jeff: Play an lot?
Dave: Not often enough!
That is iconic to me!
This is why gabon is one of my all time fave seasons...it is just a trainwreck through and through and i LOVE it 😂❤
Chris read his letter on a rock in the middle of the ocean - I knew right then and there he was winning
No other winners edit ever blindsided me more than Gabler. Where's my guy AlliGabler?
1:50 omg i didn't know chet was on survivor amazon
Erikas edit felt like they wanted to make the twist seem so big. Itmust have been an idea everyone was behind and it was a great thing and when it worked out and helped change the game the producers wanted that emphasized. The truth is there was only one choice..... she would literally never take the other choice unless everyone she was with had lost.
Probably heard her 'in like a lamb, out like a lion quote' and got fixated on that too.
Her pre game was taken away, apparently she worked with Dayshaun and Heather were working together behind the scenes. She had alot more adjency than the show gave her credit for.
They either didn't think that was good, or got super into the twist and theme of her quote.
That and they pushed up Xander so much for.... nothing.
4:08 regarding Erica's win, a couple months before her season aired, I got a couple TikToks of her on my page of her talking about Survivor. Interesting....
i think gabler is in the top 5, his win was probably the first time watching live that i’ve actually been truly shocked by a winner. almost no one thought he even had a chance, even coming into the finale. that was a crazy edit they gave him
I will continue to die on the hill of Erika having the worst winners EDIT in survivor history. Yes Natalie was more invisible, but confessionals we did get from her presented her strategy and exactly how she planned to win Survivor and it worked. They actively made Erika look like a mediocre and lucky winner, when she was the opposite.
If the fanbase is perceiving the Winner as the Goat, and the Goat as the Winner.. that’s a problem😂
Im still proud of being able to actually look at certain bits of the edit and predict Erika wins
She’s the only person i’ve been able to pin as the winner from an edit point of view (even before Shan’s boot) lol
gabler winning and taylor swift and joe alwyn breaking up where my top two on most shocking things of 2023
I disagree with Erika being here but that may be because I actually called her as the winner well before the end. I don't know I didn't try to track edits back then, it just made sense to me. All the people being highlighted as threats weren't going to make it to the end. I was certain she had won when she got taken to the end. Maybe that's just me though. Gabler was definitely the least obvious new era winner to me pesonally, though I know others saw the signs.
Definitely done dirty by the edit, but I don't know about "least obvious".
I never thought about how much better Samoa would have been if they divided his confessionals out
3rd time asking for best and worst jeff probst pre-season cast assessement
I think Gabler should be on here. He was extremely visible which is maybe why he was left off but appeared to have more of a “goat” edit from Edgic
Mental, maybe im crazy but i felt like they were building Bob for the win from the off? Literally when watching i thought this is the guy that wins and i think i got swayed into thinking maybe Sugar would win at certain parts down the stretch. Bob is one of the few i guessed correctly very early on.
Is next week top red herring edits?
Natalie story line was truly something extra ordinary.😅
Justice for Natalie!
As for Erika, I know most will disagree but I believe her negative winners edit was the American producers bitter a Canadian one of the first itmes they allowed them.
I don’t believe that, but that would be kind of funny.
@@olivermensinger6022 It would be yeah. And I am a Canadian.
Natalie was actually my winner pick for Samoa. I felt proud, especially considering that Samoa was the second season I had ever watched(my first was China).
Survivor best memes please
where is the theme song
The irony with this video is that if someone listened to it without watching S6 Amazon, the edit of it would almost sound like Christy was crying wolf. The actual reason Jenna won is because she was in the finale against Matt. It wasn’t the reason it was out of nowhere, they focused on Rob C mist of the time and that is cuz he was actually playing survivor and why heavily show the person playing like a spoiled entitled person. I mean even Christy voted for Jenna over Matt and said on the finale it was because she at least knew Jenna and barely knew Matt. the honest edit of Jenna was shown, they just werent interested in featuring it, Jenna stated in the finale that she has grown since but that she did play like a spoiled entitled person. You mention that Jenna got all but one vote and anyone watching your video would have assumed that lone vote was from Christy, your awesome but ya got this one wrong 😜
I still am always a bit surprised at how Erika was a shock win. Seemed exceedingly obvious to me after the hourglass twist, with only Dee being in the same level of "that person is winning" from the merge point.
I wouldn't say it was obvious after the hourglass (we still had Tiffany at that point), but definitely after the Shan boot.
@@lerdog Just the whole "We are going to throw" thing that failed really to me made her the winner, end game final boss, or outside chance of Naseer being the winner and this was a heroic thing. If Erika was not a part of the endgame, and Naseer doesnt win or get clipped in 5th/4th... zero reason to show that story to me.
Gotta put respect on Chris's name after winning the challenge with everyone after him from almost the beginning... After bad game play got him there 😂
Problem with the Winner Edit is that it focuses on the winner, and often at the expense of the other finalists, who in my opinion, should have their own individual storylines, we should, by nature, follow three distinct or closely related narratives that explain the rises and falls of each of them. Xander should've been shown to be a contender, but seeds should have been placed at how OTHERS view them, as an exmaple.
Am I the only one who thought that Erika was a strong contender to win after the Shan boot?
No, that was actually the time when many fans became convinced she was winning.
I'm showing my husband survivor for the first time and ahead of seeing it I told him about the concept of a Purple Edit and now we are watching Kaoh Rong and last night he said "I feel like Michelle is getting blued or whatever you call it. Purpled?"
Natalie is most likely the underrated survivor winner granted all she offers is a great social game while Russell was the most strategic and like probably most physical player of the whole season plus he has almost of the confessionals but Nat was the most important player by using her great social game to cause the eric vote and just being friends with the women mostly especially Laura plus she lowkey played russell at FTC
Surprised not to see Adam. He wasn't under the radar, but his mistakes were put on blast every time he made them.
When your biggest competition at tribal council are Hannah and Ken, it’s really hard to see him not winning.
I saw it coming but I know David was a huge contender for most fans at the time
def a good shoutout, i feel like he'd rank. maybe #9? overall behind the people on this list, gabler, danni, cagayan tony
Agree, when he had such a bad start to merge, I saw no way he could win and expected he would go at some point, but never did. I figured by the end he was going to win given who he was against, but overall it was a strange winners edit. Also, a very random reason, but at the time, nobody who appeared first on the official intro had ever won and that was stuck in my mind all season 😂
I’ll say this. At least Erika and Chris’s wins were PLEASANT surprises. If the winner is going to be hidden, I think it’s better to have them be portrayed as the “long shot” player. It’s at least a more satisfying conclusion than an unlikable or random-seeming winner.
But I still won’t forgive 41 for making Xander seem so damn lovable only for him to be a 0-vote finalist. Why’d you make me love him?!?
Omg. ERICA/41 amd Maryanne/42 . Ughhhh!. I know there's been some bad or unexpected winners in the past, but wow. Those 2 about did me in for survivor and where its headed through the recent yrs.. Even thinking back to Natalie white, which was ridiculous... But that was just dislike/feelings hurt for Russell, who actually played the game hugely better.
So cry about it. All three of those amazing women deserved to win, whether you want to believe or accept it or not.
Tbh I was more surprised by Gabler than by Erica
If I was Jenna I would find the person who spoiled her season and wrung their neck since that is 100% the biggest reason for her terrible edit. Since the winner was "spoiled" they had to make fans disbelieve the spoiler (which they were succcessful in, everyone I talked to believed there was no way Jenna was the winner with that edit, so figured the spoilers of the season were all wrong, even as the results were coming in exactly like the spoilers as it went).
Erica, a production manipulated winner.
“If you think my edits are top 10 of all time, then subscribe and don’t get Idoled Out!”
I’m not at all a fan of Erika. Lamb to hyena, maybe, but she’s no lion.
I actually think Chris’s win in EoE aged fairly well because it is so funny to me that an entire post-merge was completely useless. Plus, he played the best possible game he could so I hold nothing against Chris’s win because Gavin and Julie would be even more unsatisfying to me.
It wasn’t useless. The post-merge dictated who Chris would be facing at the end of the game.
Was this inspired by the Bandit video?
If Gabon had been a regular season of Survivor instead of the (beautiful) trainwreck it was, Bob, Sugar, Kenny, Susie and Randy would’ve been premerge boots
marcus winning 🤮🤮🤮
Survivor 41 is my least favorite season of all time! I hate this season! 39 is horrible as well and I hate it too! But Tommy played an great game!
Bring Back DangerDave
I disagreed with a lot of your commentary on the first 3. Last 2 I agreed with most of.
Yeah Natalie should have gotten a little more screen time and did have some agency in her win. But she did also hitch herself to Russel for a good amount. You can call that a shield though.
Jenna had little agency and her edit was merited.
I saw Bob coming so idk what you mean there. On such an unlikeable cast being likable works. You can’t tout being likeable for Jenna and Natalie but not for Bob or even maybe… Chris Underwood as objectionable as his win was.
I already know this list is gonna be a bunch of mothers... even if there is guys MOTHER
what was the Season 38 winner’s name?
Chip? Christian? Charlie? Charles? Cameron? Chuck?
I think it was Christian
no i'm pretty sure it was chase
i was thinking chud
Hi
edgic isn’t real btw
If Natalie W isn't 1...........
I'll be disappointed!
What about that guy from 38?
@@giovanniorellana2200 oh Chip? Who jk 😜
Fun fact: according to Laura, jury originally wanted to give Mick the win. But it changed when at the ftc Mick not only pulled a bad performence, but Natalie pulled a very good one and much better than we see (supposedly Kelly was negative towards her and pointed out her coattail riding, but Natalie was able to give the answer, that fully satisfied her).
Still, all hail queen Ratalie
I liked Erika. Don’t understand the hate. But I’ve stopped watching cause post WaW the changes are just not interesting to me. Too much emphasis on “the new era” and it’s not working for me.
Natalie W is my survivor crush ❤ who’s yours?
Mhmm All of the black widows
Anyone who says their 22 but actually is secretly 19….. I fall hard
i used to crush on spencer 💀💀
Erica should not have won season 41
the way erika is the best new era winner lol
erika
dee
maryanne
yamyam
in the depths of hell
gay blur
I think the rest of the top 10 is some combination of gabler, sandra (HvV), Michele, Danni, Sophie, amber, vecepia, and maryanne. So basically, a bunch of women and the alligabler. ALLIGABLER REIGNS SUPREME
I think Michele's edit doesn't look so good because we got Aubry's, but looking back her edit was incredible. She got tons of screentime premerge even though she didn't go to tribal once. We always saw her perspective, even with minor things. She's the third female winner with the biggest amount of confessionals ever.
I disagree about Maryanne. She was a continuous presence the entire season, even if she wasn't leading every vote. Her thought process was almost always shown, we were given a good understanding of the game she wanted to play, and the Omar blindside basically sealed her as the winner for me.
Chris Underwood can go to hell. His free time with the jury was effectively cheating. Not his fault, but the show should've done better. Devins for life.
If it wasn't his fault, why does he have to "go to hell?" Sounds more like you're mad at production than Chris himself. Chris simply did what any player would do when presented with that opportunity.
Definitely the worst twist we’d seen since the modern era.
It’s pretty clear they struggled to edit a season where the winner is not strategizing, voting, or competing in challenges for about 10 straight episodes
Honestly to me it doesn't matter how someone is seen in the edit, every winner deserved their victory simply because that was the result we received... expect Yam Yam.
Huh, Yam Yam?
Not Yul or Parvati who got bailed out by the sudden finale change, not Ben who was bailed out by a surprise fire making twist, not Chris who was literally voted out 3rd and returned at the final 5.
Legitimately why Yam Yam, this take makes 0 sense to me.
Heidi is 1 if the biggest goats in survivor
i love carolyn too but. cmon
2:29 I take it Luke prefers blondes.
Russell was definitely overedited but calling the season top 10 without him is crazy. All of Natalie's 3 confessionals were extremely boring and everyone always points to her Erik play but literally nothing else. Mick and Jayson were also duds and Foa Foa may have been La Mina without Russell