Mark and Richard jangling together...the stuff dreams are made of! I wish the two of you would narrate a sleep app. Your voices resonate beautifully! 💚
You just nailed exactly why I usually keep my comments to myself … I have actually lived in a war of criticism as and I just can’t put myself out there to be cut down by a click baiter … I had kinda wondered where my remorse to comment came from … it was a childhood rife with adverse comments
I was JUST talking to my best friend's ex who is a marine, and he's got some very interesting maladaptive pathology going on (shocking, I know) as a result of his time in combat, but more specifically as a result of his TRAINING for combat. I'm planning on having a chat with him over the weekend to learn more about that and get a better understanding of the correlations between the way his brain was rewired and how he now struggles to exist in the civilian world. The U.S. government is very neglectful of our veterans once they come back home and it isn't just hurting them. "Kill or be killed."
I think his "training" started way before he entered the military. The conditioning - unbeknownst to the individual - starts way before any service they have been influenced to choose.
As a child, you already know that something isn’t right about the surrounding behavior. When you inquire about this behavior as a child-you are “put down” in many ways-some which are terrifying and horrendous. The “put downs” are your classical conditioning- this behavior is “the norm.” You will conform and adapt and keep your mouth shut. As you grow and get stronger, you realize that you are being played like a fiddle. The moment that light bulb goes off-grab that fiddle and play. You will scare the toxic people away. And congratulations, you validated that you were a good kid this whole time!
One of the funniest fights I ever had with a boyfriend was when I was dating a philosophy professor. We'd both been drinking and he starts shouting "You use the socratic method too much!". I took that as a compliment and proof of me "winning the fight". Then he says "You know what they did with Socrates!? They poisoned him because he was annoying the fuck out of everyone!" 🤣🤣🤣 I still burst into laughter thinking about that. He also used to try and pick on me by telling me I needed to read Hagel to get a taste of my own medicine because my thinking was very similar to his... that's when I learned about the philosophic links between pantheism, nationalism, and why the German Romantics are often blamed for fueling the Nazi movement. I'd like to think that my love and protection of country is more like the good kind of nationalism (aka Braveheart), but I could understand how some hyper vigilant folks would interpret that as an early warning sign to monitor.
27:08 There's taking personal responsibility for yourself, and then there's apologizing for criminals. Even if a person normally knows better, or "should" know better, there ISN'T a person alive who doesn't get caught off guard or who doesn't make mistakes. What CRIMINALS like this do is INTENTIONAL, and I see a huge difference between a person minding their own business and perhaps not paying attention, versus a DELIBERATE PREDATOR, WHICH IN MY MIND IS INEXCUSABLE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE RISE IN THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR.
A lack of education can come because people dont believe in the school to factory system. Schools should have business speakers come in to tell their stories. Basic money 101 is important for a society. Being very wild and overly domesticated are extremes.
Maybe it's not immaturity in the general sense as much as it is the fact that we're still not fully grown in our understanding of how the technology we've created is affecting us as a species. Social media has only been around for the last 20 years or so. It's as if we're unlearning our humanity as God intended it in order to survive in this new hostile digital environment where we all live now, and so we're seeing all this weird primal 💩come out. We're devolving as the technology we create evolves. It's wild. #Cybercave
Curious, at around 34:40 ish you explain DV but also you can't back off. You have to manipulate your way out or run its course could be death or bloody mess. Dv is a Nightmare of immenent perpetual death and imagine years suffering in DV 💔 one of the roots of the problem
Gentlemen, beyond glad to find you. Thank you both for being you. I have quite a complex background, online and off but…maybe better just to do me here. You can judge for yourselves. So…..an idea, start normalizing a standard of asking questions..even silly ones. The people who are afraid of contrary ideas is biologically based…you are pulling on their established thinking, which is actually a brain network that is large and well established and their body is producing new connections, which can both hurt and be tiring. Yes, hurt…emotionally because you brain is moving chemicals and creating energy where it isn’t normally going. You can tire extremists out but it takes time for the old networks to shrivel. To start really moving someone open their thinking to questions being a good normal thing…,”I wonder ……. ( if it really reach temperature X today like I heard on the weather, or what I might make for meal x tonight/tomorrow/whenever, or should we use road x or y to get to). The I wonder phrase matters. BTW….quantum is theory, stay real. Rogan is a time waster but good for modern online digital watercooler-very much back in the day-conversation. (Rage…look at the biochemistry.)
Re: people who've actually been traumatised (with ptsd and/or cptsd) or suffered a real life consequence for their shitty behaviour (when an immature adult) not getting into online conflict/arguments as much; I think we don't 'go there' when we've had enough recovery and matured to the point where, we truly do empathise with others & where they might be coming from, & realise we don't fucking know what is 'good for them' or what they "should" or "shouldn't" be saying or doing bc we're just another human ("who's wearing socks" -Richard Grannon 🤣) who's just trying to get through life. Imo, much of the online space is dominated by a bunch of emotionally disregulated (going into/living in their limbic/reptilian/emotional brain) children, unable to get out of their immature thinking & back in their rational cognitive brain . As Richard described (if I got it correct?), immature/narcissistic fans/followers have taken a snap-shot/made an avatar of 'perfect' Mark Vincente in their narrow, tiny world-view minds & woe betide him if he deviates from that "picture" /pedestal they've put him on! I really enjoyed this discussion, ty 🙏🏼❤️
I was childish and kicked someone in the ghoulies in your comment section. Sorry Mark. My comment had cognitive scientific merit, but it's not how I worded the comment. I said it in a mean way because I was mad at them 😔
I think there are many people who look to the outside world eg: celebrities and even soapies and reality tv to try and work out their own lives. If people are isolated you need to have your Wilsons 😂
"small life syndrome" is a sound theory. I have come under psychological attack from such individuals. syndrome isnt new at all , but its new version is like a hybridized GMO uber small life syndrom that causes real emotional disregulation
Agree Richard , but hypocrisy much ? Come on man !! Peace Richard /all ! Lets look at ourselves in this modern world and what happened , I remember a Kate Bush song predicting this sh.. ! People on line but not really connecting.
The Socratic approach will be OK for some things, but Aristotle had the superior method. Empirical evidence is important. Hate speech leads to escalating hate, immoral behaviour and violent outcomes. This is shown to be true in the observable data. We do not want immoral and violent behaviour in society. So, we do not want hate speech in society to be promoted and spread. 'Toxic masculinity' (or NPD / ASPD / Alpha Male mindset / dark tetrad/ etc whichever label you prefer for this set of traits in a person) leads to the abuse of women and children, as well as businesses failing. This is shown to be true in the empirical data. We do not want abuse and violence against women and children, nor do we want businesses to fail in society. Therefore, we do not want toxic masculinity to be promoted and spread. This is the logic used in Australia. And we will not be accepting inferior logic dammit!
In my view, Mark is in such a great position in terms of motivation, I just wish he'd take this opportunity seriously. He seems to be stuck in this conspiratorial/alternative kind of community that will get him nowhere and gets him associated with all these shady people. I mean, maybe soon he'll start selling self-help courses and some useless supplements for his subscribers, that's somewhere.
Aristotle said that unlike animal groups which form by proximity, human groups form around sharing in a common discussion. You should read "The Constitution of Athens", at least the first few chapters. At least reflect that he was also going to be condemned to death by Athens for his words. He fled so that "Athens would not sin twice against philosophy."
Mark and Richard jangling together...the stuff dreams are made of! I wish the two of you would narrate a sleep app. Your voices resonate beautifully! 💚
Maybe one day! 🤣
Hope so! 💚@@markvicente7
You just nailed exactly why I usually keep my comments to myself … I have actually lived in a war of criticism as and I just can’t put myself out there to be cut down by a click baiter … I had kinda wondered where my remorse to comment came from … it was a childhood rife with adverse comments
That actually makes perfect sense. I do think childhood trauma plays a major role and how we respond to this kind of thing in the present day.
This is very true, same here.
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Great video.thanksngor pitting it out I will watch or listen to your podcast. I appreciate this conversation.
I was JUST talking to my best friend's ex who is a marine, and he's got some very interesting maladaptive pathology going on (shocking, I know) as a result of his time in combat, but more specifically as a result of his TRAINING for combat. I'm planning on having a chat with him over the weekend to learn more about that and get a better understanding of the correlations between the way his brain was rewired and how he now struggles to exist in the civilian world. The U.S. government is very neglectful of our veterans once they come back home and it isn't just hurting them. "Kill or be killed."
I think his "training" started way before he entered the military. The conditioning - unbeknownst to the individual - starts way before any service they have been influenced to choose.
Combat vets need civilian reentry “de”programming training available to them.
That was a delightful conversation, thank you both x
Glad you enjoyed it!
As a child, you already know that something isn’t right about the surrounding behavior. When you inquire about this behavior as a child-you are “put down” in many ways-some which are terrifying and horrendous. The “put downs” are your classical conditioning- this behavior is “the norm.” You will conform and adapt and keep your mouth shut. As you grow and get stronger, you realize that you are being played like a fiddle. The moment that light bulb goes off-grab that fiddle and play. You will scare the toxic people away. And congratulations, you validated that you were a good kid this whole time!
So well said. 👏🏻
Great podcast guys 😊
One of the funniest fights I ever had with a boyfriend was when I was dating a philosophy professor. We'd both been drinking and he starts shouting "You use the socratic method too much!". I took that as a compliment and proof of me "winning the fight". Then he says "You know what they did with Socrates!? They poisoned him because he was annoying the fuck out of everyone!" 🤣🤣🤣 I still burst into laughter thinking about that. He also used to try and pick on me by telling me I needed to read Hagel to get a taste of my own medicine because my thinking was very similar to his... that's when I learned about the philosophic links between pantheism, nationalism, and why the German Romantics are often blamed for fueling the Nazi movement. I'd like to think that my love and protection of country is more like the good kind of nationalism (aka Braveheart), but I could understand how some hyper vigilant folks would interpret that as an early warning sign to monitor.
☯️ Hey Mark! I really enjoyed this Podcast! Thanks! ☯️
Thanks for listening!
27:08 There's taking personal responsibility for yourself, and then there's apologizing for criminals. Even if a person normally knows better, or "should" know better, there ISN'T a person alive who doesn't get caught off guard or who doesn't make mistakes. What CRIMINALS like this do is INTENTIONAL, and I see a huge difference between a person minding their own business and perhaps not paying attention, versus a DELIBERATE PREDATOR, WHICH IN MY MIND IS INEXCUSABLE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE RISE IN THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR.
A lot of the mental processing mechanisms that we establish break down when confronted by chaos.
Amazing convo 🎉
36:50 definitely agree.... promoting childish and cowardly behavior. Thanks smother mother tyranny 🤘
Lovely discussion, thanks Gents.
A lack of education can come because people dont believe in the school to factory system. Schools should have business speakers come in to tell their stories. Basic money 101 is important for a society. Being very wild and overly domesticated are extremes.
Jacob Needleman discussed that in Why Can't We Be Good.
I love that method of discussion. I wish my family would use it...but they won't.
"you can't keep up with reality"...😂! Fact! Reality has left us in the rearview mirror
Thank you both for your work, sincerely
Thank you
Seek thre truth and stand on what you know and be willing to learn anything with each other together. Simple
What's NLP?
Neuro Linguistic Programming
Maybe it's not immaturity in the general sense as much as it is the fact that we're still not fully grown in our understanding of how the technology we've created is affecting us as a species. Social media has only been around for the last 20 years or so. It's as if we're unlearning our humanity as God intended it in order to survive in this new hostile digital environment where we all live now, and so we're seeing all this weird primal 💩come out. We're devolving as the technology we create evolves. It's wild. #Cybercave
Curious, at around 34:40 ish you explain DV but also you can't back off. You have to manipulate your way out or run its course could be death or bloody mess. Dv is a Nightmare of immenent perpetual death and imagine years suffering in DV 💔 one of the roots of the problem
I am staying curious Mark & Richard
👏🏻😁
Amazing conversation yo
WooOOOoOoOOoooot!!!!! This is what's UP. 👏
I just love listening to Richard talk. I always learn from him.
so does richard.
@ Be kind. He helps a lot of people.
Agree 100%. Issue on all sides.
What some call abortion, others would call child sacrifice, that is one of those topics. Great Convo! Thank you!
Gentlemen, beyond glad to find you. Thank you both for being you. I have quite a complex background, online and off but…maybe better just to do me here. You can judge for yourselves. So…..an idea, start normalizing a standard of asking questions..even silly ones. The people who are afraid of contrary ideas is biologically based…you are pulling on their established thinking, which is actually a brain network that is large and well established and their body is producing new connections, which can both hurt and be tiring. Yes, hurt…emotionally because you brain is moving chemicals and creating energy where it isn’t normally going. You can tire extremists out but it takes time for the old networks to shrivel. To start really moving someone open their thinking to questions being a good normal thing…,”I wonder ……. ( if it really reach temperature X today like I heard on the weather, or what I might make for meal x tonight/tomorrow/whenever, or should we use road x or y to get to). The I wonder phrase matters. BTW….quantum is theory, stay real. Rogan is a time waster but good for modern online digital watercooler-very much back in the day-conversation. (Rage…look at the biochemistry.)
31:35 ....carnal ( versus spiritual) earthly and basic instinct. Some can not have both much less manage a balance of.
Re: people who've actually been traumatised (with ptsd and/or cptsd) or suffered a real life consequence for their shitty behaviour (when an immature adult) not getting into online conflict/arguments as much; I think we don't 'go there' when we've had enough recovery and matured to the point where, we truly do empathise with others & where they might be coming from, & realise we don't fucking know what is 'good for them' or what they "should" or "shouldn't" be saying or doing bc we're just another human ("who's wearing socks" -Richard Grannon 🤣) who's just trying to get through life.
Imo, much of the online space is dominated by a bunch of emotionally disregulated (going into/living in their limbic/reptilian/emotional brain) children, unable to get out of their immature thinking & back in their rational cognitive brain .
As Richard described (if I got it correct?), immature/narcissistic fans/followers have taken a snap-shot/made an avatar of 'perfect' Mark Vincente in their narrow, tiny world-view minds & woe betide him if he deviates from that "picture" /pedestal they've put him on!
I really enjoyed this discussion, ty 🙏🏼❤️
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I love the rest of it, but strawberry slush really is the best.
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I was childish and kicked someone in the ghoulies in your comment section. Sorry Mark.
My comment had cognitive scientific merit, but it's not how I worded the comment. I said it in a mean way because I was mad at them 😔
I may have done that myself once or a hundred times in my life 😉
I think there are many people who look to the outside world eg: celebrities and even soapies and reality tv to try and work out their own lives. If people are isolated you need to have your Wilsons 😂
Civility left us
"small life syndrome" is a sound theory. I have come under psychological attack from such individuals. syndrome isnt new at all , but its new version is like a hybridized GMO uber small life syndrom that causes real emotional disregulation
We all know what happened to Socrates
No one has critical thinking skills anymore. People are taught to have... FAITH... instead. Faith in some really ignorant 'magic bean' type stuff.
Agree Richard , but hypocrisy much ? Come on man !! Peace Richard /all ! Lets look at ourselves in this modern world and what happened , I remember a Kate Bush song predicting this sh.. ! People on line but not really connecting.
Can men have vocal fry?
Yes.
The Socratic approach will be OK for some things, but Aristotle had the superior method.
Empirical evidence is important.
Hate speech leads to escalating hate, immoral behaviour and violent outcomes.
This is shown to be true in the observable data.
We do not want immoral and violent behaviour in society.
So, we do not want hate speech in society to be promoted and spread.
'Toxic masculinity' (or NPD / ASPD / Alpha Male mindset / dark tetrad/ etc whichever label you prefer for this set of traits in a person) leads to the abuse of women and children, as well as businesses failing.
This is shown to be true in the empirical data.
We do not want abuse and violence against women and children, nor do we want businesses to fail in society.
Therefore, we do not want toxic masculinity to be promoted and spread.
This is the logic used in Australia. And we will not be accepting inferior logic dammit!
In my view, Mark is in such a great position in terms of motivation, I just wish he'd take this opportunity seriously. He seems to be stuck in this conspiratorial/alternative kind of community that will get him nowhere and gets him associated with all these shady people. I mean, maybe soon he'll start selling self-help courses and some useless supplements for his subscribers, that's somewhere.
Aristotle said that unlike animal groups which form by proximity, human groups form around sharing in a common discussion.
You should read "The Constitution of Athens", at least the first few chapters. At least reflect that he was also going to be condemned to death by Athens for his words. He fled so that "Athens would not sin twice against philosophy."
i don't see how anyone can take slavoj zizek seriously. he's such a hack.
Caveat lector.
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Richard is moving around way to much, blink rate is super fast. Lacking confidence in this interview.
I don't see it but to humor you. Your point is?
I don’t see it either