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Deconstructing Christianity: A chat with Alisa Childers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- There is a troubling trend called "deconstruction" infiltrating our churches and affecting friends, family, and spouses. It's why we've seen well-known musicians and pastors walk away from the faith in the past few years. It has disrupted, dismantled, and destroyed the faith of many. Our guest is Alisa Childers, who co-authored a book called "The Deconstruction of Christianity: What It Is, Why It’s Destructive, and How to Respond" with Tim Barnett of Stand to Reason. Their book-and our conversation in this video-is intended to help you not only understand what’s happening but also stand your ground and respond with clarity and confidence.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
03:30 Defining “deconstruction”
14:41 Can we find any common ground?
18:48 How do people fall into deconstruction?
26:10 Is there a healthy kind of deconstruction?
29:45 Have people “come out” of this process?
33:25 Reaching our deconstructed friends and family
40:06 Is there a sense of identity in this process?
43:43 To what degree does the modern church play a role?
45:52 Is biblical literacy a factor?
48:57 Alisa’s new book
For about 30 years I thought I was saved but I deconstructed and rejected Jesus. I got in to new age beliefs, Buddhism, even the occult. But Jesus pursued me. His loving kindness led me to repentance and He truly saved me. Christ in me❤ I’m so grateful for His love, grace and mercy on my soul!
deconstructing is just another way to describe falling away from the faith
When it comes to spiritual abuse, I’ve noticed a pattern with people who leave mainstream Christianity for “Torahism”. Those who go on to the fringes of Torahism and especially into Judaism, were raised with legalism, man made legalistic rules, an iron fist so to speak, or some were brought up in the Bill Gothard cult, etc. Torahism is music to their ears because in that movement, Christianity and its beliefs are slandered, and heavily criticized, so the person feels like they have finally found their home. Because in their home growing up, maybe Jesus, God, was misrepresented so it leaves a bad taste in their mouths and Torahism then SEEMS right to them.
Obviously there are various reasons, but I saw this pattern while I was in the movement.
My grandmother used to say "If you reject the truth you'll believe the lie." God had to tell Samuel to stop mourning over Saul and sometimes we have to do the same thing. I'm not saying you should totally give up on someone , but you have to know when to turn things over to the Lord.
Thank you for clarification on what actual deconstructionism is and what reformation is.
I never expected a video with these two together, it was a great conversation. The questions were very helpful too.
I empathize with spouses navigating this painful journey.
I've started watching your videos hoping for sound doctrine. I absolutely love Alicia Childers! So the fact you've had her on really proves that, so excited to watch the video!
Awesome interview. I never understood the "deconstruction" thing & the ones who talked about it could not define it (I almost said "rarely," but after thinking about it I realized I've never received a satisfactory answer). This might seem tangential at first, but I used to go to a "rock n roll" church pastored by a former AC/DC roadie (Barry Taylor) who was "blessed" by one of the wealthy congregants who offered to pay Barry's way through Fuller Theological Seminary to get his Master's. Of course he couldn't turn down a deal like that & eventually got a doctorate. So, as a member, I watched Barry go through several church splits/upheavals as a pastor &, since he was a student who was actively preaching/pastoring while attending seminary, I got to hear about what he was learning in seminary (which seemed exciting at 1st having this rare "front row seat"), but this was my 1st introduction to the term "deconstruction" & I noticed he got further & further away from the Gospel as he brought in Sanskrit & other ancient texts &, since the church has had such an awful history of treating gay people badly, he kept using "gay issues" as a sledgehammer against Christianity & eventually used it as an excuse to "deconstruct" himself right out of the faith & joined with & became one of the apologists for the God Is Dead movement. It was agonizing (but very instructive) to watch & I finally had to leave one of the final iterations of his church (just before he became an Episcopalian priest, now since defrocked for scandal). Whew. It was a wild & upsetting ride & has had lingering effects, but I think this interview has finally helped me "tie it up & put a bow on it" now that I finally understand "deconstruction" = the process of leaving Christianity & arriving at agnosticism, or atheism, or anything as long as it's not Christianity.
Great interview and discussion Rob. Seems like so many similarities to how people gravitate to Torahism. Thanks.
Thanks for this interview Rob…a very important topic..I have read Another Gospel and yet to read Live your truth by Alisa she has done great work in this area of deconstructing the bible and God’s truth revealed to us…it is so important to know why we can believe the things we do…Alisa’s personal (crisis) of faith has helped me work through why I believe and stand on the word..without ripping it apart or watering it down…this was awesome God bless you both so much ❤️❤️🙏👍
Hello Professor Solberg, I just watched the video Sean Griffin put out where he tried to tear apart your video on filthy rags. I only watch him to keep up on what lies he is teaching. But I wanted to comment on your video. It was a good analogy and I totally get it. I was just thinking though that the good that we do do after we belong to Christ, in a sense is pleasing to God in that it’s only because of Christ that we are able to do the good with the right heart behind it. Like it’s all Christ. Grace going in and grace coming out. And that our works cannot save us lest we should boast. But the works are good when in the confines of Jesus, so that all the glory goes to him. Anyway, thanks😊
That's a beautiful way of putting it Theresa. It's all Christ!
I didn't realize that Sean put out a video response about that. It's good to know I'm on his radar. ;-)
Blessings, RLS
So there will absolutely be a LOT of parallels between Torahism and Deconstruction because at the core, it is about the self instead of God. They both say "I have found the truth and very few people have. I'm special." Both say "church is bad." Both say a lot of the same things. They land in a different spot, but both say the main stuff is toxic.
Well said, Jospeh!
Rob
I appreciate your insight. I like human psychology. I’m 22 minutes in, can’t wait to hear the rest, and will watch again, or listen at the gym. The Kingdom of self is a mighty tower. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is the good Shepherd. Jesus is living water. Jesus is the bread of life. You know where I am going. Pure Christianity is focused upon the beauty of Jesus. The focus helps us understand the depths of our depravity. Knowledge of our sin and knowledge of the righteousness of God takes our eyes 👀 off ourselves, and places them upon Jesus. You are so very right. Great comment!
You were taught that all sin requires death, that is not the case. God forgives those who repent and correct their ways. No one can die for your sins, God does not allow that, nor does God wish you to die for those.
The role of the messiah is not to take away your sins rather teach the nations how to adhere to the ways of God.
Which God is more compassionate - the God of Israel who freely forgives upon repentance or the Christian God, who like all other pagan Gods demands blood???
Which faith belittles God so as to claim He would NEED anything to forgive, is that Judaism or Christianity?
I'll remind you the people of Ninve were also forgiven, just for repenting, no sacrefices.
Here, time to get reacquainted with God's true word, not the one that was made up by Paul and others:
A human body cannot be accepted as sacrefice, it is an abomination to god, human life is sacred! *And as we were told not to do upon our entrance to the holy land, and not to do as the other nations do, refers to exactly that.*
*Human sacrefice is an abomination to G-D.*
*These verses show how God detests human sacrefice:*
*Deuteronomy 12:*
31 You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, *they do all kinds of detestable things the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.*
*Jeremiah 19:*
5 They have built the high places of Baal *to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.*
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*No Vicarious atonement and no inheritance of sin*
*Ezekiel 18:4*
"For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child-both alike belong to me. *The one who sins is the one who will die."*
*Deuteronomy 24:16*
*"Parents are not to be put to death for their children,* nor children put to death for their parents; *each will die for their own sin."*
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*No vicarious atonement at the end of days*
(See how it is attached to 'the new covenant prophecy' you were fooled to think as your own..)
*Jeremiah 31:*
29 “In those days people will no longer say, ‘The parents have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’
30 Instead, *everyone will die for their own sin;* whoever eats sour grapes-their own teeth will be set on edge.
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*Vicarious atonement by a human is an abomination to G-D.*
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*See what God truly said about His forgiveness.*
*Isaiah 55:7-9*
Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts. *Let them turn to the Lord,* and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will *freely pardon.* (!!!!)
8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
*(you were taught these two verses, but you were never taught they speak of God's forgiveness, I'm sure, those three verses go together!).*
*Read the interpretation:*
*For My thoughts are not your thoughts:* Mine and yours are not the same; therefore, I say to you, “The wicked shall give up his way,” and adopt My way…
My laws are not like the laws of man [lit. flesh and blood]. *As for you, whoever confesses in judgment is found guilty, but, as for Me, whoever confesses and gives up his evil way, is granted clemency (Proverbs 28:13).*
*Ezekiel 18:21-23*
“But if a wicked person *turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right,* that person will surely live; they will not die.
22 *None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them*. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. 23 *Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?*
*Also see Ezekiel 33*
11 Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’
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14 And if I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ *but they then turn away from their sin and do what is just and right- 15 if they give back what they took in pledge for a loan, return what they have stolen, follow the decrees that give life, and do no evil-that person will surely live; they will not die. 16 None of the sins that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live.*
*God has no need for blood to forgive.*
You really think God cannot forgive without shedding of blood?? How were the people of Ninveh saved?? No sacrifices, repentance is the key.
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*See what God told us about Himself:*
*Hosea 11:9*
*For I am God, and not a man- the Holy One among you.*
*IS GOD A LIAR??*
@@TheBiblicalRoots Joseph rocks!
@@pazrahamim9220 you contradict John the Baptist: “ Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world. “ Jesus is the propitiation for sin; Jesus expiated sin and is still expiating sin every moment of every day. Expiation is to carry away the sins of sinners. Jesus is the innocent scapegoat sin bearer that takes away the sins of the world. Jesus carries away the sins of humans as far as the east is from the west. Though a man’s sins are crimson they will be white as fresh snow.
35 minutes in Rob- your best video yet as well as the wonderful interview with the ex Hebrew roots woman from Oklahoma. Alissa is a healthy female human. You are a healthy male human. We all want to be emotionally healthy. Health is in your countenances, and voices. Humans are starving for love and they are hungry to interact with healthy humans, and be healthy themselves. Peace.
Deconstruction has always sounded like the politically correct term for apostasy. Am I wrong?
I suppose it depends on what's being deconstructed. If one is to deconstruct their faith in Christ that might be what Paul calls "shipwrecked" faith. That might lead to apostasy.
If one deconstructs the church systems and philosophies that conflict with the bible, that could lead to true faith in Christ.
I was so excited to see that you had Alisa on your show. Excellent interview!
Thanks, Lori!
Rob
Thank you for doing this much needed conversation!
From what I notice is that hebrew roots movement and Progressive Christianity are two sides of the same coin in deconstructionism.
Yes. They talk about the same things/arrive at the same conclusions unfortunately.
Two pronged attack. Right and left work together, two wings of the same foul bird.
This is some goooood conversation & content. Excellent info for all of us Apologist out here in the field. Thank you both!!!!!❤
Great video! Thank you! God bless
I ordered @alisachilders book after this. I read her previous book, “Live your truth, and other lies,” which was really great and I highly recommend.
This whole discussion surrounding deconstruction and postmodernism reminds me of 2 Timothy 3:1-7, especially how it lands on 7 where it says “always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.”
That’s like the epitome of deconstruction, that you never stop and if you settle, you have to keep going. Postmodernism is so dangerous because, like you said, it’s a denial of the truth or that objective truth is merely subjective; that goes as a complete rejection of what and who we know the Truth is.
If I was her, I would have shamelessly plugged her “Live your truth…” book because it pairs perfectly as a segue into deconstruction.
I enjoyed this video. Keep up the good work.
Deconstructionism seems to be about ALMOST arriving at the "absolute truth" that nothing is knowable (i.e. agnosticism), but, since that position is untenable (i.e. it's impossible [& intellectually dishonest] to be absolutely sure that nothing is absolutely sure), they settle for "always question everything" so that they aren't forced to defend any cognitively dissonant beliefs.
1. Love in the Old Testament law given through Moses: Hebrews 7:11; Matthew 5:43; Matthew 22:37-39.
2. Love in the New Testament law of Christ: Hebrews 7:12; Matthew 5:44; John 13:34.
I think everybody at one point or another in their lifetime goes through a sort of deconstruction and/or reformation. Its just the ones who are called and chosen who come back to their foundation or has their foundation strengthened by this process. I know I, for one, have been through this. I found that my foundation was not what it should have been. Going back to the beginning and ilu learning what i had learned over the years and relearning what was of god actuallygave me a strong and solid foundation. I still have those moments of doubt here and there, but now that i am strengthened in my foundation and belief, i know how to always come back and hold tight to the rock, jesus christ. And i thank him for that every day.
The road to hebrew roots absolutely leads to Judaism. My husband is there right now and my entire life is no longer what it was before. We've been married 32 years. This is devastating. However, I still believe Yeshua is Messiah yet I cannot voice this or it leads to a fight. I dont want to subject my sons to the turmoil.
Thank you for acknowledging spiritual abuse. Its in many churches.
Yeah, don't do anything to purposely offend others but don't compromise truth either. Don't forget that the world hated(s) Jesus because He testifies about them that their deeds are evil. Jesus's followers will be likewise hated.
Excellent I am going through a form off reformation at the moment I'm still in the faith there are so many secondery values that I hold that really are not needed and are causing a stumbling block in my walk with Christ. I have had to completely come of TikTok due to the deconstructionists I find that many the go through academic critical scholarships often decon any faith they have and more then often build up another religion of self and their god. My heart bleeds for them in their complete lostness.
Yes, I wrote my testimony (here in the comment section) of watching my pastor (at the time) attend seminary & lose his faith 😢
@@kimartist I went through a bible college 20 years ago and one of the guys studied universalism for his dissertation things did not go well for him for a while and to be honest I think he has left his faith all together ☹️ but this can happen so easily we just have to hear the wrong message at the wrong time.
As a filipino person and a christian faith, its a lot of things to be consider that affect my belief. In the philippine religion is the most bargain institution in society.
If you live in the Nashville area then you definitely should meet Myles Christian of "Anwering Adventism". There is a big overlap between Torahism and Seventh Day Adventist idealogy.
the nature of "deconstruction" comes from the french structuralists like Foucault , Derrida etc.
They took terminology from Marx for analyzing the oppression of groups ( Foucault was homo, Derrida and other group submitted a letter for reducing the legal age in france for allowing se_ual relations with minors) for them those were the oppressions and a deconstruction will led to a more happy perception . Modify the perceptions for allow a place ...
Seems to me that Deconstruction equates to Apostate
You could consider that, yet you haven’t gone thru deconstructing so you don’t know you te seeing it from your own side
I like Alisa Childers and agree with here on most thing, but I think critiques of so called "Christian Nationalism" must be rejected, not because there aren't bad actors, but because that label is applied to anyone who is Christian and wants to oppose progressive values in government. For instance many news outlets labeled Speaker Johnson as a "Christian Nationalist" because he is pro-life and believes in Biblical marriage. In fact during Barrett's confirmation they even applied a religious test to try and scuttle her nomination, due to her values. If the definition of "Christian Nationalist" proffered by the left is properly understood to be Christians having a say in government, then all Christians are "Christian Nationalists." We shouldn't turn our attack on other Christians which is what their definition is meant to do, instead claiming the title as they apply it.
I really appreciate this conversation. Enlightening. Important. Reform IS needed. Much of the body is compromised and syncretized. I'm not surprised that hell is a turn off. Thankfully, John 3:16 disproves an eternal inferno.
I like that guy. He seems very earnest and humble. Also, he's a lot smarter than he let's on.
Oh wow, at 10:00-10:23 ish… “as long as you leave organized religion”…has the spirit of the deceiver all over it and that is the same spirit in HRM..
(That is not to say organized religion is perfect by any means)
I really wish people would explain exactly what they mean when they talk about Christian nationalism I don't think I really understand what is meant by this fraze.
Hi, Greg! There are a range of meanings intended by that term. In the book _Taking America Back for God,_ Christian nationalism is defined as “an ideology that idealizes and advocates a fusion of American civic life with a particular type of Christian identity and culture.” Christianity Today defines it as "the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity and that the government should take active steps to keep it that way. Popularly, Christian nationalists assert that America is and must remain a 'Christian nation'-not merely as an observation about American history, but as a prescriptive program for what America must continue to be in the future."
In my opinion, the danger of Christian nationalism is that it limits and politicizes the Gospel. Nationalism draws boundaries far too narrow for followers of Jesus. The Gospel is for all nations! And as Christ-followers, our primary allegiance is to Jesus, not to any nation or political party. That doesn't mean I'm not proud to be an American. I'm very grateful God chose that nationality for me! But in my opinion, politics has no place in the Gospel. Every human being from every nation and every political position needs Jesus, me included!
Blessings, Rob
hey Alisa! did Christ redeem you from the curse of the law that Paul is referring to in Galatians 3?
It seems to me that feeling attacked is why communicating with parables and stories is effective.
It sounds to me like “deconstruction” is literally just a former Christian who is now an Agnostic that doesn’t know what to believe…
I deconstructed years ago by writing down everything I believed, and was willing to die for, and then set out to prove it in Scripture. Turns out, I believed what I was taught, but what I was taught could not be upheld in Scripture. I am proud to be what Christians call "apostate". All I really did was dispose of replacement theology 😆 Come out of her, My people!
Rob, please make video on the book of James only.
Psalms 119:136 My eyes shed streams of water,
Because they do not keep Your Law.
What law.?
This video model works better for me than the nuts and bolts doctrines analysis. Both are important- the testimonials are powerful. It’s like the Billy Crystal / Meg Ryan movie Harry met Sally when they were in Katz Deli on the south side of NewYork (make sure you go), one of the most well known lines in American cinema-“ I’ll have what she’s having.” When hurting and confused humans view and hear healthy people they say “ I gotta get me some of that.’
So you approached the scriptures and rebuild your own theology from the scriptures? As I previously stated: A theologian in one who makes doctrines for out of the Epistles.
I believe very much that homosexuality is a sin, however, i dont think christians represent christs views on it very well at all. I dont think jesus would go up to a gay man or woman and scream at him, telling him hes going to hell for it. I think many christians fail hard here because most of us dont realize that not a single one of us is any good and we all have some form of damnable sin. (Myself was included in this) i hated gay people. If i saw anyone who was gay, in my mind, i condemned them. That is until i went through something personal myself for past sins and i felt eternally condemned as if their was no hope for me. When i came through the end, i realized that its not what we are doing that sends us to hell or heaven. What we did to deserve hell was already done. We already are condemned. You arent born good and then suddenly do something sinful to earn hell, you are already born condemned. But thats where the gospel or the "good news" comes in to play. Because god loves us so much, he wants to save us. So even while we were still sinners, he sent his one and only son to provide the propitiation for our sin. He took our punishment, our judgement, upon himself so that we now are no longer guilty before god. So now, being gay is no longer what sends you to hell because you were forgiven, if you place your hope and teust in christ for his sacrifice that he took for us. Whoever believes in christ and hopes in him will now have eternal life. John 6:40.
Deconstructing is just another word being used to create a term in an argument or discussion. A better word might be dissect Christianity or maybe using the term examining christianity could even be better.
Theologians like to give terms to make it appear a doctrine like.
Pearl clutching Calvinists are “totally incapable” of objectivity because their loyalty is not to God the Father, nor to Jesus the Son, nor to the Spirit of God, nor even to the plain teaching of scripture, but to a very rigid systematic philosophy that Augustine stole from the Manichaean religion and imposed it upon scripture. Calvinism revived this evil error over a millennium later. Everyone who calls themselves Christian should study early church history, prior to Augustine, to see what they believed in the church prior to this polluting element finding its way into the church. Ultimately, may the God of all grace bless you and keep you. ☦️🙏🏼😇
Lol...tell me you haven't really studied Augustine without telling me.
I'm not a Calvinist, but I still consider them my brothers and sisters in the Lord.
Scripture casts calvinism down.
Christian Nationalism is still a wide term but not to be afraid of it. I favor the title and embrace it. Christian Nationalist of the Reformed Baptist tradition who searches the scriptures and apply the Bible to daily life, all of life and in public service life aka Governace.
No I don't want to be a Christian nationalist history showed us wat that looks like.
Gov control forced conversion opulence.
The merits of religion if the religion is strong and good. Will stand upon its own legs.
This was the view of our founders.
Baptists and puritans fought and died for that right to freedom of religion.
We as a country should not give the government the authority to force conversion on people.
We as Christians need to hold our own front. And bring people to us with a olive branch not with a rod.
Christ will punish when time.
But it isn't the freedom we have in America that's issue. It's the fact social media and society and desires made this.
The right for women to vote I fell into red pill. But yes women should vote. They vote liberal. Sure
But is that on that system or the corrupt propoganda
Interesting that she chose the word reformation. Very profound but I'm not sure why if you study the arguments of "the reformation" why this would lead to anything else. When you reject authority and decide you are the ultimate arbitor of truth every man is their own god. I'm not insulted but i think you kind of catch yourself, this is exactly how Protestants left the Church...
What I do not understand is if "Deconstructionism" is valid and true then why bother with Church or anything to do with religion? There is no point to that. Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die!
If you can find a Biblically sound church that stands on the Bible first and foremost and not their man made doctrine, and is open to correction... then church is great. However, too many are lost due to teaching a false Gospel due to their unBiblical doctrines/traditions
@@jehnyrwe all do that for we all have sin in our lives as Spergon put it if you find a good church that is going well don't join it as you will spoil it 🙂. We all need to change our views an many things in life as long a Jesus is our saviour and him only then we can work out the rest.
Deconstructionism seems to be about ALMOST arriving at the "absolute truth" that nothing is knowable (i.e. agnosticism), but, since that position is untenable (i.e. it's impossible [& intellectually dishonest] to be absolutely sure that nothing is absolutely sure), they settle for "always question everything" so that they aren't forced to defend any cognitively dissonant beliefs.
Echo chamber?? Accusing others of what you yourselves have been doing. Why doesn’t she speak with people like Keith Giles who has been reaching out to her?
Seek truth? Actually talk with people who are going through this from a place of common image bearers rather than a place of authority and judgment.
@@lisamartinez9245 Did you listen she was saying they reached out and many wouldn't talk to them. Also she has backed off from what you might call formal debates I think because she knows it's not her strong suit.
If sister Alisa Childress would not hold so strongly to her Calvinism (which in the end makes God the author of evil) may be less people would deconvert
So Jesus and His Apostles taught the Doctrines of Grace and you call this evil. You must be Muslim
The bible literally tells you he is🤦♂️😂
@@tbishop4961 so God predestined the abuse of little children and it is all for His glory?
@@EnHacore1 have you even read the book?
I might say Christians are some of the most dimwitted people on the planet, but I happen to know muslim people as well
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things
Snorefest.
I certainly appreciate you waking up long enough to share that insightful comment, Billy! ;-)
RLS
Genesis starts by telling us the first 2 humans lived 6000 years ago and we all descend from those 2 people. 🤦♂️😂
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Christian psychologist Scott Peck, a Marine psychologist, and author of “ The road less traveled,” and,” Civility, a world waiting to be born,” had the opinion that homosexuality is a sin that can’t be acted on, but Scott had compassion upon humans struggling with sexual identity. He believed ( Scott is with Jesus), homosexual humans have a chemical imbalance, but are still responsible for their actions. Listen to the Naked Pastor, a Canadian, for the most liberal viewpoint; it’s an interesting watch. I tend to lean in the direction that homosexuality is a vile disgusting life style, but I also want to be compassionate. I’m with Rob- men don’t want to be an old grumpy curmudgeons yelling at kids to get off the lawn. I’ll be 65 Saturday. Life is ephemeral- make every minute count. Bark less- smile more. Peace.
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You opened the can of worms Alissa. Politics is a volatile subject. I hope I am wrong, but I believe it is impossible to support a malignant narcissist and liar, and to at the same time, be “ In Christ.”