@@aj2228 it's amazing how you just can't accept that in that game clem was just better and that's why K had too outplay his oppenent and its not just the race that's broken
Maxpax enables aggression with micro, and herO with his unique playstyle. Krys has a special instinct with posturing and this can't be explained. It's like asking zergs to play like Dark
lmao I was looking at this game wondering how furious clem must have been losing to a protoss that isn't maxpax. The fact he lost every cc and did not tap out is funny to me ngl
Im surprised clem holding with just marauder marine against a high tech high cost army comp of the toss. The tech is so p favored yet he cant break through.
You know WAY more than I, no matter if I've been watching religiously since the Day9 days or not. Saying he should pause for just 10 milliseconds, can't agree. Refusing to pause for even a moment dictated the entire game.
The game again proved the point I've been saying since watching the first game of Astrea vs Clem cast by Pig. The energy transfer is likely a good buff for toss (throughout the game). Clem is perhaps forming a habit of getting a Raven early (which delays eco and unit production and weakens his push) just in case there're statis wards everywhere spammed by an Oracle like in the Astrea game. The nova range increase also made it impossible even for Clem to dodge some of the shots in a fight. Clem also had to significantly buff the usage of Marauders due to the disruptor change - which lowers DPS, requires more barracks thus putting pressure on economy and pushes/harassments needed to be done. Krystianer didn't even try to dodge WMs, lost 5 probes early to a reaper harass, but still easily defends early/mid game pushes, then constantly threatens World #1 terran's bases - he just macroed without much worries even against the most formidable early-game Terran (who's World #1), then spammed disruptors and low tier units without the much microing - at least Terran's low tier MMM strategy requires a lot of microing.
Don't Marauders do double the DPS to Stalkers? Or do you mean the gas cost limits how quickly Clem could make them? And yes they're definitely much worse against Zealots.
Sadly mass disrutpor wont be as effective next patch as every time it hit a full hp marauder they'd be left alive to be healed by the many medivacs Clem had
@@Appletank8 Spamming marines two at a time gives more dps than building rauders out of tech labs, he's saying clem is forced to go marauder heavy cause ruptors can't one shot them anymore. But yeah this isn't on the new patch lol
@@James-uk4xi For sure, though looking at the wiki it seems Marauders do double damage to Stalkers, so on that front their DPS is at least comparable. Also, more range so you can fight from a bit further away.
maybe you should take a look at the tournament winners of the last 5 years. with balance, it should be 33% protoss. according to you it should be around 50%. in reality its around 2-3%. well. reality kinda proved you wrong, no?
@@andrejtippner the sample size at the top is tiny, there are just a few players of every race good enough to win the international premier tournaments, the Zerg players are actually just better at the game these last few years. Peak Serral, Peak Reynor, Peak Dark and Rougue, you do not have terrans or protoss players at that high level of skill. The best protoss player in the history of sc2 (MaxPax) does not attend the big tournaments, that is also a problem. Imagine if protoss got buffed even more, the win rates on ladder in PvT would get absolutely ridicolous. Could rename GM ladder to Protoss League instead.
@@DanielDem87 Thats a bold statement that zerg and terran players are just better for the last 5 years 😀 Sorry, but this is plain out stupid (no offense). Protoss has the most players in general so the biggest pool of potential pro players and potential tournament winners. So just looking at the numbers, Protoss players should win more (!) tournaments than the other races and it would be still a sign of a balanced game (!). But the opposite is happening for 5 years now. This is nothing to argue about, sorry. This is just logic and probability calculation and you don't need to know anything about the game to come to that conclusion. Mentioning Dark with his ridiculous bad build orders and errors (while still winning) is also interesting xD Reynor also stated that Protoss is so easy and wanted to proof that point by playing Protoss. He stopped that quietly after a couple of months as its just not possible to win major tournaments with Protoss right now. I understand that you want to get buffs for your race and nerfs for the other races and everyone has the units he likes or hates. I could write a novel about how much I hate lurkers, liberators and disruptors and how badly designed these units are. But influencing the balance like the current patch (by making it even worse) will destroy the game. Even if Showtime doesn't win much, he is often playing extremely well. Hero is the most genius player we've ever had in SC2 (and the opposite as well xD). Stats, Classic, Zoun...you name it. Many very good players with barely any flaws but no one is winning shit. So even if Protoss wasn't winning anything and was clearly worse than Zerg and Terran I liked the game as a 4.5k Master player. I never complained about balance, I never whined or flamed. I played SC1 from the day of release, I played BW, I played WC3 and I played SC2. I played these games for more than 25 years. Most of the time random. I don't think I ever saw a patch that ridiculuos and inappropriate for a meta. So this is enough for me. I'm happy that I go for holidays for 1 month now so I won't play anyway and the balance council has some time to rethink this patch. If this patch goes through, I will not start playing again and I will stop watching SC2 most likely. I'm not sure if this was the goal of the balance council and if a dead game is what you wanted to have.
@@DanielDem87 Thats a bit off topic now, for 1 question: why maxPax is considered to be the best Protoss of all time when he didnt contend in tournaments yet (as far i know) and is just some years younger? 🤷♀ i thaught he is the best PvP player What about Stats, Hero, Trap, PartinG, SOS & GungFuBanda..
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It's insane how good Clem is. Any other Terran would have died in the first 10 minutes
I mean, in this particular game he did die in the first 10 minutes, he just... didn't tap out for some reason.
it's amazing how much protss needs to outplay terran to win.
Any other race WOULD have died in the first 10 minutes.
@@aj2228 it's amazing how you just can't accept that in that game clem was just better and that's why K had too outplay his oppenent and its not just the race that's broken
@@MartinusMagnusTerran is broken stop making excuses for clem everyone here knows Terran is the bastard child of overwatch.
That insane Pressure from K is something more Protoss players need to adopt. Finally Clem gets a taste of his own medicine.
Maxpax enables aggression with micro, and herO with his unique playstyle. Krys has a special instinct with posturing and this can't be explained. It's like asking zergs to play like Dark
@@purlp9483herO and his fav F2 button xD he's one of my fav toss after Zest that isss.
11:30 that poor disruptor
Wow, what a good game. Really a nail biter.
Did he fist smashed his keyboard again on this one ? 😂
lmao I was looking at this game wondering how furious clem must have been losing to a protoss that isn't maxpax. The fact he lost every cc and did not tap out is funny to me ngl
12:40 juiciest disrupter shot of the game.
"...because he is fighting up 30-40 supply he is actually getting somewhat efficient trades". That sounds like an issue to me
PvT moment
Why? Clem micros like a beast, his opponent does not
@@geuros "Does not?" I think you were watching a defferent game then me, if you say Krystianer wasnt microing.
Working as intended. Protoss nerf and terran buff inc.
lmfao terrains are so silly
i love how terran gets splash ooff factory open
Really good game super aggressive.
Holy damn, juicy game
how many games like that can each player play in a row?
Zealot go brrr
Great game! Was this on the new test patch server?
Nope, we still had battery overcharge 😢
Im surprised clem holding with just marauder marine against a high tech high cost army comp of the toss. The tech is so p favored yet he cant break through.
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👍yup
You know WAY more than I, no matter if I've been watching religiously since the Day9 days or not.
Saying he should pause for just 10 milliseconds, can't agree. Refusing to pause for even a moment dictated the entire game.
Is this a ladder game captian?
Disgusting how long he stays in the game. Just no respect for any tosses out there anymore
The game again proved the point I've been saying since watching the first game of Astrea vs Clem cast by Pig. The energy transfer is likely a good buff for toss (throughout the game). Clem is perhaps forming a habit of getting a Raven early (which delays eco and unit production and weakens his push) just in case there're statis wards everywhere spammed by an Oracle like in the Astrea game. The nova range increase also made it impossible even for Clem to dodge some of the shots in a fight. Clem also had to significantly buff the usage of Marauders due to the disruptor change - which lowers DPS, requires more barracks thus putting pressure on economy and pushes/harassments needed to be done.
Krystianer didn't even try to dodge WMs, lost 5 probes early to a reaper harass, but still easily defends early/mid game pushes, then constantly threatens World #1 terran's bases - he just macroed without much worries even against the most formidable early-game Terran (who's World #1), then spammed disruptors and low tier units without the much microing - at least Terran's low tier MMM strategy requires a lot of microing.
Don't Marauders do double the DPS to Stalkers? Or do you mean the gas cost limits how quickly Clem could make them? And yes they're definitely much worse against Zealots.
Sadly mass disrutpor wont be as effective next patch as every time it hit a full hp marauder they'd be left alive to be healed by the many medivacs Clem had
wait this isn't the new patch, there won't be Stasis trap spam either way.
@@Appletank8 Spamming marines two at a time gives more dps than building rauders out of tech labs, he's saying clem is forced to go marauder heavy cause ruptors can't one shot them anymore. But yeah this isn't on the new patch lol
@@James-uk4xi For sure, though looking at the wiki it seems Marauders do double damage to Stalkers, so on that front their DPS is at least comparable. Also, more range so you can fight from a bit further away.
"other creatures of the sea". No sea around mate all races here don't really swim
Shadddup 😂
@@davismccarty9828 😂😂😂
no wonder PvT is so protoss favored when you look at GM and Master win rates on ladder, toss is a bit OP atm.
maybe you should take a look at the tournament winners of the last 5 years.
with balance, it should be 33% protoss.
according to you it should be around 50%.
in reality its around 2-3%.
well. reality kinda proved you wrong, no?
@@andrejtippner the sample size at the top is tiny, there are just a few players of every race good enough to win the international premier tournaments, the Zerg players are actually just better at the game these last few years. Peak Serral, Peak Reynor, Peak Dark and Rougue, you do not have terrans or protoss players at that high level of skill.
The best protoss player in the history of sc2 (MaxPax) does not attend the big tournaments, that is also a problem.
Imagine if protoss got buffed even more, the win rates on ladder in PvT would get absolutely ridicolous. Could rename GM ladder to Protoss League instead.
@@DanielDem87 Crowning max the best protoss in history and he hasn't been to a lan tournament xD
But yeah, zerg players are just better, clearly.
@@DanielDem87 Thats a bold statement that zerg and terran players are just better for the last 5 years 😀
Sorry, but this is plain out stupid (no offense). Protoss has the most players in general so the biggest pool of potential pro players and potential tournament winners. So just looking at the numbers, Protoss players should win more (!) tournaments than the other races and it would be still a sign of a balanced game (!). But the opposite is happening for 5 years now.
This is nothing to argue about, sorry. This is just logic and probability calculation and you don't need to know anything about the game to come to that conclusion.
Mentioning Dark with his ridiculous bad build orders and errors (while still winning) is also interesting xD
Reynor also stated that Protoss is so easy and wanted to proof that point by playing Protoss. He stopped that quietly after a couple of months as its just not possible to win major tournaments with Protoss right now.
I understand that you want to get buffs for your race and nerfs for the other races and everyone has the units he likes or hates.
I could write a novel about how much I hate lurkers, liberators and disruptors and how badly designed these units are.
But influencing the balance like the current patch (by making it even worse) will destroy the game.
Even if Showtime doesn't win much, he is often playing extremely well. Hero is the most genius player we've ever had in SC2 (and the opposite as well xD). Stats, Classic, Zoun...you name it. Many very good players with barely any flaws but no one is winning shit.
So even if Protoss wasn't winning anything and was clearly worse than Zerg and Terran I liked the game as a 4.5k Master player. I never complained about balance, I never whined or flamed.
I played SC1 from the day of release, I played BW, I played WC3 and I played SC2. I played these games for more than 25 years. Most of the time random. I don't think I ever saw a patch that ridiculuos and inappropriate for a meta.
So this is enough for me. I'm happy that I go for holidays for 1 month now so I won't play anyway and the balance council has some time to rethink this patch.
If this patch goes through, I will not start playing again and I will stop watching SC2 most likely.
I'm not sure if this was the goal of the balance council and if a dead game is what you wanted to have.
@@DanielDem87 Thats a bit off topic now, for 1 question: why maxPax is considered to be the best Protoss of all time
when he didnt contend in tournaments yet (as far i know) and is just some years younger? 🤷♀ i thaught he is the best PvP player
What about Stats, Hero, Trap, PartinG, SOS & GungFuBanda..
Terran truly needs a buff. Looking forward to the upcoming patch with the needed corrections to Terran
😂
@@REDRAGON12345 Ghosts need a nerf
Maybe, actually protoss winrates is above 50% in all the different leagues against Terran.
@@skyryudo311 Source ?
The same games are being uploaded by literally every youtuber holy crap youtube is starting to stink hardcore
discruptor is op
Macrine is more op
@@enriquegarciacota3914 Macrauder is pretty op
Don't worry bro it's getting nerfed, check the patch notes
@@enriquegarciacota3914 honestly, you are right