Thanks for the input. I went through a phase where I thought it was the best thing to do. Fortunately I have people like yourself who give some good constructive criticism and I have since started using much less music in my videos. I appreciate you trying to help me be better, I'm no pro lol
Honestly don’t know why everyone was complaining about the music. Your voice definitely carries enough to where I could pay attention just fine. Very informative thanks!
@@TripSmith I would also like an updated video, with out the music, plus I am sure you are much better now then when you made this. I have such a dilemma when it comes to what kind of kayak to get. #1 I love to fish, #2 I have my dog that go every where with me, not even an option to ever leave her behind. #3 Cargo, wouldn't mind taking a cooler with me. So it would seem that a nice "sit on would be the best choice" well here is the rest of my list. #1 many of the places that I want to go are high elevation and cool or late season even cold. #2 I mostly want to take long camping trips. #3 I really want to take it to the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness in MN, and travel longer distances 30mi+ and would involve portages,. #4 Could have some more waves then when I am at one of my high mountain lakes in Colorado. #5 I need to be able to haul it on tope of my Tahoe, 12' would be better then 14' Just a tough call, seems like I need a "Sit in" Other then my dog and my love of fishing. What would be your advice?
great video! I've just accidentally been introduced into the kayaking world. I was driving home from work one evening and saw that someone threw an old ugly sit inside kayak out to the road for garbage collection. I picked it up, checked for any major damages and really didn't see any, you can tell it was sitting out in the yard for a couple years. I picked it up, brought it home and spent hours cleaning it. it was an ugly, faded purple and I went to Lowe's and bought a couple of cans of metallic blue spray paint and now it's really nice. I took it out on the bayou to test it out and I love it! watching your videos has given me the itch to pack up and go camping. looking forward to seeing more of your videos
+Nicholas Frasier Thanks Nicholas! What a great way to get into the sport! That's crazy, I'd love to find one like that. Hope you're able to get out there sooner than later and experience your first kayak camping adventure. Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoy my upcoming videos.
I use a sit-on-top Point 65 Tequila solo for fishing in Scotland's Clyde Estuary all year round. I occasionally wear a kilt if the wind is not blowing too hard 😎. Every time I launch I expect to get wet. This is why I choose kayaking over boating. I love the sea! SoT's Rule! P.S. If I want to go fast, which I don't, I can mount my trolling motor. Great vid!
Regular kayak benefits; Speed, gear storage, Skeg/rudder if necessary, far better stability in rough water and most of all you can steer/control with body English. Sit-on-tops advantage; more room for a beer cooler.
You're definitely an inspiration.. I have been fishing for as long as I can remember (26yo now) and I went fishing from a kayak for the first time a few days ago and caught myself plenty of Bream and Flathead along with a 1.8m Bull Shark! Was an epic rush.. That night I came home and started watching kayak videos and found your channel.. Since then I have watched all your camping adventures (some more then once) and have been inspired to buy a kayak and go on some adventures myself.. I'm looking at getting a Malibu Stealth 12... Its a SOT but has ample storage and I don't plan on covering quite as much distance as you do , haha. Anyways sorry for the long comment.. Keep doing what you do.. Much respect and thanks!
Thanks for that man, I appreciate your kind words. Sounds like a rush to me, glad you enjoyed it! Glad you found me and thanks for watching, that's the reason I do it, to inspire. Don't fret over the long comment, I leave them as well lol. Sounds like a good yak, any yak is a good yak as long as you're getting out there really..... Have fun with your new hobby!
This video has been so helpful. I'm about to order my very first kayak and I was already leaning towards a sit-in and this video secured my decision. Thanks from Louisiana.
This is an entertaining video, but it doesn't give sufficient weight to the primary difference between the two types: ease of re-entry. If you capsize in a sit-in, then you might not be able to get back in - even with a paddle float mentioned. To use a sit-in, you either need a bomb-proof roll, or be in a group who have practiced getting a swimmer back into his/her boat, or confine your paddling to areas where you can safely swim you and your boat back to shore.
Maybe you are right. Although I haven't had any trouble getting back in the yaks in deep water even without a paddle float. I don't have a paddle float but I imagine it would make an fairly easy task much easier. I can enter it solo in water over my head no problem.
Ease of re-entry isn't the primary difference between the two. And you defenetly can empty a sit inside and get back in it without any external help, and being into any water. As a matter of fact all these points are secondary differences due to the real primary one : Sit inside kayaks had been invented by Inuits (that used to do all these things in a water around 34°F) and their actual form had been developed thanks to modern technologies in order to satisfy advanced sea kayakists. Sit on top kayaks had been invented by businessmen in order to rent heavy duty kayaks to tourists with absolutely no paddling skills, and have been develloped later to satisfy the average fisherman that usually neither knows a shit about kayaking. Sit inside kayaks are not difficult to roll, in fact sit on tops are way more difficult to roll back, if not impossible, especially with all the load of stuffs fishers are used to take with them. You got to learn how to, and usually you learn it quick as re-entry is a very basic. Sit inside are not difficult to empty and re-entry, again, so far you've learn how to and you are trained to do so. Unless we are talking about waveskis, witch are the only kind of technical sit on top kayaks.... sit on top are easyer because they are made for under trained people. Sitting like in a coach and being propeled pushing pedals (as the actual fashion is growing) isn't using a kayak but a pedalo, and that's a huge difference because "sitting position + propulsion method" is what makes the difference between a kayak and a canoe. But at the end sit inside or on top are made to help people having fun in the nautic wild, so they are both right to use so far we chose what solution is appropriate to our goals, and above all so far we are trained to the important technics insuring our safety. And that's also valuable for SOTs as beleiving they are safe enough to not have to train can be quite a source of accidents.
For me, it's about overall fitness, physical and mental. Currently, i have a sit in kayak which i love. It ticks all the box's. Generally, i like to paddle around 3 hours, maintaining a good steady rythm as i go. Should i consider entering an endurance event in the future, then it's likely i will purchase a sit in.
Good video Trip. I too, have used A SOT in the past for fishing and camping and they can work in warm water. But I now use SINKs exclusively for many of the reasons you mention. I paddle a Perception 12 for day paddling, just because it's easy just to throw it in the back of my truck bed; a WS Pungo for fishing (great big cockpit with kayak console and standup stability); and Perception 14.5 for trips. At first I thought a SOT would be safer for solo paddling, as I haven't learned to roll, and so much fuss is made about learning self rescues in SINKS. It's too bad that most of the kayak books available focus on learning rolls and paddle-float rescues when the scramble, or cowboy rescue is so easy and reliable for any reasonably athletic person to do. Also, I have only accidentally capsized twice, and both time were on SOTs transiting the surf zone. I have never come close to capsizing in a sit in.
+Davy Haynes Good stuff here, we are thinking pretty similarly. They both have their place for sure. I havent tried mine in surf to much but it is tricky lol
Most sit-on-top kayaks come with scupper plugs to keep the water from coming up in the cockpit. If for some strange reason it doesn't, they are pretty cheap to buy.
That is very true. I have found that if I use scupper plugs then the water that splashes in from the topside then just stays int he kayak keeping you wet.....
If the water area is in harbor, like paddling from a dinghy dock to a moored boat, will you still get wet on a sit-on-top kayak while still using scupper plugs? I plan on using the kayak everyday to get to and from the moored boat in the harbor. I don't want to get my daily wardrobe wet. Thanks.
If I go with a sit-inside kayak and use a Cockpit Cover, when not in use while tied up at the dinghy dock over many days, will the Cockpit Cover keep the inside of the kayak dry and clean?
While you are having a warm Muscle Milk I'll be reaching behind me for a cold beverage out of my truck bed cooler. If I get flipped out I don't have to worry about Eskimos. You're faster, but I'm in no hurry. If a flow is moving at a 4 to 5 mph pace, that's good enough for me. Keep up the good work.
Have you ever a overnight camp with a sit on top kayak? Obviously not any lengthy trips, I was wondering if you've ever tried kayak camping with a S.O.T.
I don't think so... not YET ;) It really all depends on where you are paddling and how much water you want to cover on the trip. You can do it on anything that floats you and your gear really I guess.....
Thanks for the video. I found it informative, much more that other videos on the topic that are generally at a higher / more superficial level. Much appreciated. Kind regards, Richard.
The sit on top and sit inside pros and cons are more General depending on what type of kayak you have in my opinion. I have both and I noticed I started using the sit-on-top much more often now. Now the sit-on-top I have is a Kaku Wahoo and it's 33 in wide. It tracks extremely straight due to its hole design and it's stable enough I can stand up if I need to. One of the things I've noticed I like about it is the fact that now that I'm 52 years old and I have screwed up hips and knees, getting in and out of my sit inside is more difficult. Specifically getting out of it I would say. They both have dry storage available and like you mentioned in your video, my Kaku Wahoo has a couple of different dry storage compartments. One nice thing is that the chair Sits Up Above and your but doesn't get wet. It has a 400 pound capacity so water doesn't really come up through the Scupper holes and I'm 235. The sit inside kayaks are much faster through the water and you can definitely hammer out the miles with one but accessing snacks and other gear is difficult sometimes causing you to have to Beach. Something else is that I can actually piss while I'm paddling in my sit on top. Not very easy in my sit inside without making a mess. So as far as hammering out the miles goes, I would say there are a few trade-offs that offset the speed of the sit inside. I'm planning on a long trip down the Missouri River then into the Mississippi and all the way to the Gulf of Mexico and I'm going to be trying to decide which one of my kayaks to take but I'm actually leaning towards the sit-on-top for that trip
Hmmmm I'd suggest taking your Wahoo out on some wide open water like the wide river when there is a breeze and see how you do. I think for any long trip, a sit inside touring is almost always the best choice. (well you can get a sit on top touring technically, but basically you really need a long and narrow kayak that move efficiently through the water and wind ;)
Trip Smith yes I agree! I'm looking at a sit on top for the mere fact that I have screwed up my knees and hips to the point we're getting on and off of a sit-on-top is just so much easier that it outweighs the fact that it is slower through the water and has much less inside storage. I plan on taking it out on Lake oahe and checking out how many miles I can make in a day.
this is my first kayak and I was looking online for best kayaks and came up that this one was one of the best. it is a rotomoulded plastic one. eventually I will get the fiberglass one. in the summer here I am doing a trip round the whole of the welsh coast line. I have 4 go pro 4 cameras 1 camcorder. so I will upload all videos when done. I went out last year and hi had seal pups climbing on my deck. it's was awesome. unfortunately my sd card got damaged so it didn't record.
+david baker I think you made a great decision for your first kayak, no doubt. I'm going to be getting the rotomoulded plastic model as well and will probably stick with it because it can take a bit more abuse, purposefully and accidental abuse. Hope you have a blast on your trip! Hate to hear that about your sd card. I've had some really great shots not record for some reason or another multiple times. No fun for sure.
Another great vid Trip. I use a Perception 13.5. I love it, but I do want to upgrade one day to a 16 ft or more. They have more storage and better tracking, not to mention speed. I do find that the 13.5 ft. is much better on narrow rivers that normally run through forestry areas. They handle the quick winding and make it a little easier to dodge blown trees and such blocking the river.
+Joe McCranie Thanks Joe! You are exactly right on the speed and tracking. Yea, on a small river/creek the shorter yak is better. I find myself on those size creeks for a short time compared to the time on a larger river on one of my 3-day trips. So I tend to lean toward the longer yaks. Maybe one day I'll have a few different ones to choose from depending on where I'm paddling.
I only have one. my wallet only will allow me one. If I could I would have about 3. In the coming season I plan to maybe start a channel on kayaking and creating a TH-cam diaries on the Rivers of South Carolina and their history. So far I've not seen anyone do that We have some of the longest black water rivers in the USA. Charleston harbor is where the civil war started. You can still see fallen bricks and construction fro free dives. Sweat Tea was first in this part of the US. Many plantations existed off the rivers and the remains of steam boats and such still exist. Anyway. It's a plan in the very beginnings. I have a lot to learn about kayaking, camping, and history. I'm hoping it works out and the plan comes together. You've been a great inspiration my friend. Keep it up. Thanks again.
+Joe McCranie I know what you mean Joe, I just have the two and they were good deals off Craigslist. I'm craving a newer Wilderness Systems yak but not sure if and when I may be able to afford it... Man, that sounds like a interesting channel! I've wanted to get a little bit into the history around these parts as well. There is a local guy who goes out and finds all kinds of fossils and Indian artifacts on the river I've been wanting to hook up with. Good luck with the channel and if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Thanks Trip. I will for sure have questions. That guy you're talking about. you could find out where he found some of his artifacts and end up kayaking some of the same places those native Americans trade routes, stopping at some of the same places they might have stopped to camp. That guy can prob tell you a lot of info that would make for some interesting videos for sure..even show some of the tools, pots...and so on that they used on the river. That's kinda what I'm going to do here. Looking forward to seeing your net trip. Hey, I see you have the Olympia 850 on your Amazon page. Have you found any difference in the newer Olympia 860. I've not really found much difference, and the price is lower.
Maybe I'll try to link up with him. About the camera, someone else brought that to my attention today so I checked it out and no, there apparently isn't much difference other than the 860 has GPS tagging capabilites and built in Wifi. Sounds like a no brainer to me... I'm about to change the Amazon store from the 850 to the 860. That's crazy lol. I keep looking online for new waterproof cameras for a upgrade from the tg850/860 but as of right now it seems like the best one out there. Glad you've seen the Amazon store!
I have used both and I prefer the sit in, for the things I do in it. Also, I have a longer torso than I do legs so paddling a sit on top really cranks my back, it is much more comfortable for me sitting inside and closer to the water.
+creeryk Yep, same situation here (for the things I do in it). They can be really comfortable and SOT's are a little odd to sit in I've found. Thanks for watching Creeryk, and for commenting to!
Another great video. Thanks for review of sit-on-top vs. sit-inside. You had some really good comments.I have a folding inflatable, Advanced Elements Expedition. I got this instead of a shorter one so I can take it camping, but I haven't done it yet. I've taken it out several times, though, and have had a blast with it. But I haven't done any videos yet.
+Bonstergirl Tank you Bonster! I've always been interested in seeing one of those types of kayaks but never had. Read good things about them though. Hope you get a chance to take it for an overnight. It's an amazing but simple step up from a day trip. Thanks for dropping in.
+SailingandSuch i ve done a video on my advanced elements straightedge angler. it's also shown on my intro clip. it's alright but. don't take it around any barnacles.
I'm still torn between the two. I will be using it mostly on lakes and maybe some slow moving rivers just to get sun and have a good time with friends. I've never actually kayaked before, only used a canoe once, but I enjoyed it so much that I can only imagine kayaking would be just as fun if not more. Also, I will more than likely only use in spring summer and early fall so I wont mind getting wet. I like the speed aspect of the longer narrow kayak, but do not like that I can't move around it freely like a sit on top. Can you still move pretty good in a sit on top if you are consistent with your paddling? Thanks for any future input.
You'd probably be better off with a sit on top. If you get a long, narrow and fast kayak and paddle with friends you will be so much faster than them. I'd seriously take a look at the hybrid kayak/SUP's. I have a Kaku Kahuna and for what you are describing I would want the Kahuna every time.... Yes, you can still move just fine and you only need to go as fast as the slowest in the group. You're welcome!
All (or most) of my friends pile up gear on the "truck bed" portion of their SOT...one friend has an "ocean kayak" brand "big game prower" or some such name...this massive SOT has pretty much the entire internals of the kayak can pack gear...other ones require you to stow quit a bit a gear on that "truck bed" portion. Another huge benefit of a longer touring kayak, is that they have a larger water footprint, and are designed often for various camping load capacities, and when loaded, they loose far far less buoyancy...and that greatly affects performance. "most" sit on tops that are out there are terrible at paddling any real distance...and to be fair "most" sit in kayaks used are terrible. A longer (14+ feet) more narrow (24 inches or less width) will just paddle so much more effortlessly and not be so badly affected by your camping load. The wider shorter SOT's when loaded up become a horrifying bathtub to paddle on flat water..and sometimes depending on how loaded, much more unstable. Related, boy, these can be hard to find once you get to picking one specifically that you want....dealers across most ALL of the southeast keep either none in stock, or happen to have a couple. There are a couple exceptions, but they are high end models (eddyline is sold by a dealer in Destin, called "kayak experience" and they keep demos of those boats on hand). point is, relatively, these sit in touring kayaks are very uncommon in the southeast....even though we have absurd amounts of amazing flat water. I could go on and on about this, but I wish more could try out a touring kayak for a trip and be able to decide for themselves....I have allowed several newb's to paddle my boat in the past year, they all got a huge smile and had good things to say, and my wife will be getting her own soon. Take Care, I know I am preaching to the choir here...but Trip, I think you should do an update video on this subject...or we could do like a "demo day" and get a bunch of people together at like a river or lake for a day trip for people to show up who have never paddled one and let them paddle it for that day? Just a thought.
+Bhamlunker wow, FABULOUS comment! All good points. A test day would be fun.... I may look into that. Thanks for sharing your well thought out opinion.
Hey Melissa! I think a sit in ay be better for you since if keeps you closer to the water so you have less leverage fighting against you ;) I actually answered your question Live on the last Reply Line Show, Episode 012. You probably would enjoy my in depth answer there - th-cam.com/video/IJ9ZIyHI9nI/w-d-xo.html
I'd say this was pretty good and neutral comparison between the two. I'm a sit inside-type of guy myself too, but that's mostly because we have really cold weathers and waters here up north, plus all that "dry" storage is good for camping. :P
+Ajaton And to speak of drysuits. I'd get one if i was a sit on topper. For now, i use just a simple wetsuit, because why not. I swim in natural waters year round (one can google: ice swimming and see what we crazy finns do, lol) and afterall kayaking in the same waters isn't any colder. :D
+Ajaton Yes sir! Good man ;) A wetsuit? Man, I donno about that, seems cold. I have a shorty wetsuit that I've used diving in springs and cave diving but I can just imagine wearing that joker all day in a kayak while paddling. Maybe I should give it a shot but not with a shorty I'm guessing.....
Humbug, my sit on top kayak has 2 waterproof storage places and I can stash all my camping gear in it. And at the back enough outside storage for a camping chair and bbq... etc
Nice! Are the storage spaces really waterproof? Seems like most sit on tops I see the inside storage isn't waterproof but it's open the entire inside of the kayak. But of course I haven't seen all kayaks..... What are you paddling?
I have a Wilderness Systems Tarpon 140 sit on top kayak. As far as I know are the hatches waterproof like any other kayak, yes the disadvantage is that the they whole kayak inside is one open space. Much gear I store on the back deck of the kayak in waterproof Ortlieb dry bags. They are very usefull. I use them on my bicycle trips for over 15 years now. Very durable. I do want to get me a sit inside kayak too for sea trips since I live at the North sea. So then I am more protected against the elements when the weather starts getting colder. I got this Tarpon 140 kayak 2nd hand on a real good deal.
Hey Trip! Henry here. I was wandering what do you think is more convenient and better to have while kayak camping, a tent or a hammock? And also what kind of clothing do you where to stay dry and comfortable? Thanks a lot I can't wait for summer I already have a couple trips planed with one of my buddies to get out kayak camping (in an enclosed kayak) BOOYAA! Thanks a lot Trip! Henry Schneider
+Henry Schneider Well, I think a hammock for a few reasons. You're up off of the ground out of the dirt, ants, rocks and sticks. You don't have to have a perfectly smooth and level ground to camp, just 2 trees which are pretty easy to find on a river bank. The best part though is that it sleeps just as comfortable at home as it does anywhere else. So, once you figure out what "hang" (angle of the hammock's hang) is best for you, you can then set the hammock to replicate that exact hang every single time no matter what. With a tent you have to worry about the ground so much that often times it's difficult to get comfortable on the hard ground without a bunch of extra bulky gear. That's great you have some trips planned, I'm really happy to hear that Henry. Good deal, a sit in kayak BOOYAH! All the best Henry, I know you'll have a blast.
I just want to try one. Thinking about buying a Walmart sit on top to start out with. A creek near my home goes all the way to the Tennessee river. Looks like summer fun. ;')
Yep, best thing to do is just to try. I'd suggest the buying of Cragslist idea. What will probably happen is you will buy one from Walmart, realize you want to start yaking more with a nicer yak so you will want to sell that one. You bought it new so now you will have to take a loss on it when you sell it. Or you could get on Craigslist and buy one for the same price that might be little nicer and higher quality that you can sell for the same amount you paid for it when you want to sell it. Just a thought.
+david baker David!!!!! You rascal!!!!! I'm jealous!!!!! Congrats though! I'm hoping to get one eventually, not sure when it will happen though... May I ask, what made you choose that particular kayak?
What a great question! I enjoy paddle boards more these days (I guess you could classify that more as a sit on top). It's all in what activity are you doing the most of.... SOT's are great for fishing and leisure paddling. At the filming of this video, my focus was on longer distance paddling/camping where I still feel the touring kayak is superior.
Any thoughts on the Hobie Island, which has a sail and fins to help propel it and has the outrigers compared to a sit inside kayak. I would be using it on the ocean in the pacific NW, so would need to wear a dry suit anyway.
Used to have one actually. Well, a Hobie Tandem Island. It was nice, but I don't think it was best suited for camping and it was more than I wanted. A trailer is probably the best way to haul it and with a trailer it's much harder to find spots to park for free.... It's fun for sure, but just not best suited for my type of paddling.
What about the Kaku. I saw your video and you seemed to love it. If I was going to do some river kayaking like in Big Bend or The Buffalo in Arkansas. I am also 6’4” and about 210. Thoughts?
I did love the Kaku Kahuna, until I got on an inflatable. They are so much lighter, paddle easier, track straighter, more forgiving, easier to store and transport.... I love em. Sold the Kahuna a while back and I now own 5 inflatables if that tells you anything lol
hey trip!!! man i just got me a wilderness systems cape lookout 145 for $175 took it out this last weekend and love it. gonna start camping with it soon!!!!
Nice find!!!! Sounds like you got a great buy, CONGRATS!!! Glad you are enjoying it. Love my older Wilderness Systems yak, they hold up really well in my opinion. Hope you are able to Get Out There soon and start enjoying some camping! Thanks for dropping by and leaving a comment.
I prefer seat on top kayaks because you can easly get inside if you capsize. Also they are more stable. For the caribbean this is the best option. As mentioned on this video if you want to kayak in cold water and in cold weather, The best option is the seat inside Kayaks. I recomend to practice the eskimal roll with proper supervison with an instructor before operating a seat inside Kayak.
That is one advantage for sure, but it's all a trade off. I wouldn't say the sit on top is always best for Caribbean, but best for some situations. I tried practicing some rolls on my last trip and I didn't do so well.....
I'm not much into fishing myself either..... Although I do light catching crabs and using a cast net.... A touring kayak would be the best for that. I'd suggest the Wilderness Systems Tempest. That's what I've got my eyes set on as my next yak.
+SailingandSuch I'm inland here in Arkansas . But we have plenty lakes and rivers. I've never tried kayaking. I've gone canoeing as a kid but I'm sure that's a different animal. What are the differences of cheap ,mid price to expensive? Material & weight?
Kayaking and canoeing have their similarities but differences also. Well, first there are differences in designs (short and fat vs long and narrow) The long and narrow yaks are faster and track straighter (touring kayaks). You don't really find many cheap ones of those when buying new. But you can find excellent deals on the buying used on Craigslist and such. Material differences are plastic (what I use), fiberglass and carbon fiber. The plastic are the most affordable and most durable. You go up in price with the other materials and save a little bit on wieght, but not enough in my opinion and you sacrifice durability. A nice 16' plastic touring kayak will take you a long way. You would be very experienced before you needed/wanted a faberglass or carbon yak.
+SailingandSuch I'm not sure I can transport such a long kayak. I have a Dodge Dakota with a 8ft bed. . Are there mid size kayak. Long but not as long as a sea kayak?
I just bought a Toyota Tacoma with a 5' bed and hauled my yak just fine last week. I'm eventually going to get a rack or a camper shell and rack to haul it on but it can be done without. I simply strap it to the closed tailgate and the top of the cab with padding underneath and it works pretty good. Not the most attractive but it works. Sure, there are mid sized yaks, 12'ers and 10's but you will have similar issues hauling it.
Hey Trip, I,am thinking of getting a sit in but can you tell me how much weight it adds to the yak with all your camp gear in it. For a women these things can get pretty heavy. Glad I stumbled on to your videos very informative and funny at the same time.
Hey Patty! I understand your concern with weight for sure. Sit In (SI) yaks vs Sit On Top (SOT) yaks on the weight battle, SI yaks generally win every time. For instance, you take a 16'6" Tempest 170 at 57lbs and compare that to other Wilderness System SOT yaks that are anywhere from 76lbs-80lbs that is a pretty bi difference. The Tempest has a hull design that makes it faster to paddle. Couple that with the weight savings and it's even faster and most importantly, easier to paddle faster. When it comes to camping gear weight, that is dependent on the person really. I have a backpackers mindset (or try to) and like to pack light if possible. It is possible to get down to 10lbs-15lbs of gear for a trip and still be safe and comfortable. Then depending on the food you take you can save some weight there as well. Dehydrated meals are very lightweight, you just need to have access to clean water for them like a spring or some sort of filtration system. I have never actually weighed my gear so I don't really know how much I'm bringing. I do pack a lot of thing's I don't exactly have to have like; goggles, fins, cast net, hatchet, grill, etc. Remember though if you have to pull the yak to and from the water whether it be for launching or getting to a campsite you can always bring a large bag or two and unload the heaviest items. I often do this to make the yak easier to drag. Hope you find yourself a nice yak soon! Let me know what you end up decided and what yak you go with!
what about length...so we did a trip in rentals on the "Big Escambia RIver" down in south Alabama just a month or two ago...some decent current, riffles...one or two class 2 rapids...does too long in some waters translate into more difficult to turn and such when needed. Mostly my sit on top experience has made me kinda hate their slowness for our camping trips so far....
+Bhamlunker I haven't found mine to be much of an issue to turn. You can learn to turn them really well by tipping them on their edge and turning. I've found that typically if I start in a smaller river that is winding with tight turns that it doesn't last long and the majority of my trip is on straighter wider parts of rivers. So really the longer faster yak is the best option the majority of the time. Then if you ever take it to the beach or lakes your are good to go with a long, nicely tracking yak. Plus you get more storage in a longer yak..... I can't see why a longer one is a poor option for what I do......
Personally own a sit-in but have used both, for fishing I prefer a sit in top... But like you said longer distances it's much nicer to have sit-in, feels a lot more homey! Enjoyed the video Trip, keep it up!
You could get into this bum-first-feet-last, and out of it the same way in reverse. You can't do it in every kayak, but you can see your knee in this at 2:32. If you can see your knee, you can get it out. Shove your bum back and move your knee to the center if you have to. One leg is all you need, to get out. Getting in you just straddle it, drop your bum in, then fold one leg in after the other. If you "cowboy" back in for a re-entry, that's what you have to do. Also, dry suits are very comfortable, as long as they're breathable. More comfortable than any other kind of outer clothes, and you stay completely dry if you're camping and it's raining. You just don't care about rain. Also, no ticks. Also, check out surf skis. They're basically open-deck kayaks. Most of them are racing hulls but there are quite a few these days that are touring type hulls, with sealed interior hatches and all. Some plastic layups. A lot easier to get out of and get back on. A closed kayak, you want to roll - getting out and getting back in is a messy, chancy business. A surf ski you can climb off, climb back on, you're back to where you started.
That's how I do it generally when it's in the water, bum first. One day when my budget can support it I'd love to try a dry suit, but it's not a smart move at the moment... The surf skis look pretty awesome. I get sick when I browse the Epic website lol Man that would be Epic if I could just have a chance to paddle one of those as a demo. One day....
The new stable touring skis are nice, but skinny boats are addictive once you start getting the hang of them. Takes more than a demo though - you feel pretty unstable for quite a while, but you keep improving so it's a pleasant learning curve.
I'd like to try both. I wish I had the $$$ to experiment. I can only imagine how awesome they are to paddle. Thanks for chiming in with info and for watching! It's good to have knowledgeable people in the audience ;)
+DontUndo I wish I could make a new one every week bud. Unfortunately I live in the real world and I'm not a lotto winner so I have to work in order to play. Heading out this weekend though so you can expect a new adventure next Friday if the Lord is willing. Thanks for watching man. Stay in school! lol
+hyrum reid Yea, there is a give and take with the size of the opening. My Wilderness Systems Sealution II have a larger opening, not by much but enough to be much easier to get in and out of. I plan on moving up to a Wilderness Systems Tempest 170 which I hope to be a decent size opening.
Tough to say one type of kayak is better, it all depends what your using it for. I maintain a fleet: Hobie Adventure Islander, Jackson Cruise SOT, SINKs some rigged only for fishing some are not, river boats, surf skis. Every kayak has a purpose. Limiting yourself to only one type of kayak will ultimately limit your opportunities. Say no to limits.
+Todd Switzer I wish I had fleet, maybe one day.... I'd like to do some fishing sometime I guess, not really interested in it in a large way at the moment but I'm sure that time will come. No to Limits! I like it!
Why can't they make an adventure kayak with quick deploying outriggers. So you get to where you're going far and easy but you can still fish and swim is you want.
I can carry 3x more stuff on my Feelfree 13.5ft kayak. I can stand up and sight fish. I'm dry the whole time. I can jump out and jump back in on the water. I can store stuff in my kayak and it won't get wet. I have a built in wheel to haul all of my gear (200lbs +) Plus if my kayak flips I can flip it back over and jump back in with out it sinking...I think this guy had some cheap sit on top kayaks and judging from those.
+SailingandSuch thanks dude. I'm in the market for a kayak and I stumbled upon your video. I saw the shop and said to myself "this guy's definitely a woodworker" I'll have to watch the other video. and reverse engineer it.
idk if you mentioned it but sit insides get spiders(black widows) in them alot were u and i live so they can be a little tedious to clean but i think each one of them have uses for different things
+Draco Arcane I think the one reason I've had water come in is simply through the scupper holes. I don't think the Hobie angling kayaking have that problem so much. I know my Hobie Tandem Island yak did but it was a wet and wild ride no matter what. Hope you get out there sooner than later. Thanks for the comment!
+SailingandSuch yeah the vantage seat keeps me off the yak. I go out on the lake often. building up my arm and leg strength. I am a disabled war vet. My injuries have kept me from doing so much but with my Hobie I am getting out there again.
"Cowboy rescue" is easy enough in open water - ever try it Trip? The distinction sit in vs SOT is a bit misleading...what makes these better for longer distances and more efficient paddling is the profile - longer and more narrow - a "recreational" shorter wider Sit in kayak will not be as efficient. You can find more narrow and long SOT and they are much easier to paddle but they are still heavier compared to a sit in touring yak. When people say "SOT" they generally mean a fairly wife super stable 10-13 foot fishing type kayak - and when the masses hear "sit in kayak" they think of a short wife Rec kayak. Wide and short suck to me for enjoying anything on flat water or paddling hours.
Worried about swimming in a sit on top learn the roll enough said. It is not hard, it is not exclusive to Whitewater, and can be learned in a day. Don't limit yourself.
Your videos have really peaked my interest in kayak camping. You mention that you would not go shorter than 14' for a sit in kayak and that you may even go as long as a 17 footer. Why is that?
+ScanMan1967 Well, the longer kayaks have many advantages and no disadvantages really to me. They are faster (longer waterline = faster), paddle straighter and have more storage. The only thing I would consider that could be a disadvantage is the turning capabilities. But I haven't had trouble really turning in my 16.5'er on some pretty winding rivers. Most rivers open up pretty quickly anyhow on a 3 day trip..... On a winter trip the extra storage is nice ;)
+ScanMan1967 Well, the longer kayaks have many advantages and no disadvantages really to me. They are faster (longer waterline = faster), paddle straighter and have more storage. The only thing I would consider that could be a disadvantage is the turning capabilities. But I haven't had trouble really turning in my 16.5'er on some pretty winding rivers. Most rivers open up pretty quickly anyhow on a 3 day trip..... On a winter trip the extra storage is nice ;)
That one is a Perception Shadow, Sealion. Great kayak, I just couldn't get comfortable in the seat so I sold it. I'm not using a older Wilderness Systems Sealution II. I'm hoping to move up to a Wilderness Systems Tempest 170 though eventually....
What style kayak would be the best recommendation for kayaking up the Mississippi around 5 to 10 miles against the current? I currently have a 1972 Alumacraft canoe, and I struggle to make it a half mile, as it’s more a freight style boat, and not very aerodynamic or fast.
i like the sit in kayak's i have one and then i tried a sit on top kayak and i was like seriously brooo why would you not use a sit in kayak there so much better, but my friend didnt agree they like sit on top kayaks
Waiting for my Sun dolphin Excursion 12ss to show up which should hold me over until I get my hand made one finished which may be months yet. Should prove to be a good enough entry level to get my wifes feet wet and a bunch of fun. Was just watching due to title but subscribed because of God Bless. God Bless yeah! very informative video.
Great video! This was a tough decision for me at first when i bought my first kayak... I ended up with a sit on top only cause I liked having a Cooler with me for my beers...and rods...I actually purchased a one of kind Rawson kayak recently. It's a sit in with deployable skeg and rudder but the cockpit is set forward. With both up it turns on a dime... The haul design is also one of a kind... Now I have both types...Check out my video and you can see it in action ! Take care !!!!
Yeah that’s true . I imagine the sea would be a prime example . I can’t wait for the weather to pick up over here , I need a weekend kayak break . Uk weather sucks but hey make the most of it eyy ! Il definitely be buying a treo chair after seeing your review on them . Top bit of kit ! Keep up the kayak videos bro - from the Uk 🇬🇧
In my experience Michael you usually get wet from water dripping off of your paddle at least while in a sit inside if you needed to stay dry (cold and windy) a skirt can be used to keep the water off. Not to mention rain and waves splashing up over the sides.
I use a Prowler 13 for wildlife Photography, I am in Lakes and Rivers with 30 Grand in Photo gear, one drop of water could cost me 2 grand in the right spot. It would be a gigantic insurance claim to flip. I'm not getting a drop into my Kayak. I'm not lifting the Paddle over my head either. But this video is a hard sell for a sit in that has a lot of truth left out. I would rather have my gear in a dry bag in a Storage of a Sit on top. I can flip and nothing would get wet and it's Floating. It's Safer period. I can store 10 fishing rods in the hull. I can strap packs, coolers and such to the top. WHen I watch this video I can only think of two things a Sit IN has over a SOT, Weight, and Lower center of gravity. Thats it. Good for a short hop day trip. I would never bet any gear or even my life on a trip in a Sit In. Try a double layer of drip rings for your paddle problem. A poncho combats the wind and rain, I plug my Scupper holes with Practice golf balls and I am floating on the water in lakes with skiing going on I am still not taking on water from waves. If someone who knows nothing watches this, they might pick the much less safe Sit In kayak. That sucks.
Ditch the background music...
Thanks for the input. I went through a phase where I thought it was the best thing to do. Fortunately I have people like yourself who give some good constructive criticism and I have since started using much less music in my videos. I appreciate you trying to help me be better, I'm no pro lol
Honestly don’t know why everyone was complaining about the music. Your voice definitely carries enough to where I could pay attention just fine. Very informative thanks!
Yea, I think it could have been a little lower still. BUt thanks!!! You're welcome.
Probably a great video. Can't watch due to music. Would love to see this without the background music.
I agree with you, the music did ruin the video. Maybe I should re-do this one huh? Sorry about the mistake, learning from my mistakes though!
@@TripSmith I would also like an updated video, with out the music, plus I am sure you are much better now then when you made this. I have such a dilemma when it comes to what kind of kayak to get. #1 I love to fish, #2 I have my dog that go every where with me, not even an option to ever leave her behind. #3 Cargo, wouldn't mind taking a cooler with me.
So it would seem that a nice "sit on would be the best choice"
well here is the rest of my list. #1 many of the places that I want to go are high elevation and cool or late season even cold. #2 I mostly want to take long camping trips. #3 I really want to take it to the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness in MN, and travel longer distances 30mi+ and would involve portages,. #4 Could have some more waves then when I am at one of my high mountain lakes in Colorado. #5 I need to be able to haul it on tope of my Tahoe, 12' would be better then 14'
Just a tough call, seems like I need a "Sit in" Other then my dog and my love of fishing. What would be your advice?
great video! I've just accidentally been introduced into the kayaking world. I was driving home from work one evening and saw that someone threw an old ugly sit inside kayak out to the road for garbage collection. I picked it up, checked for any major damages and really didn't see any, you can tell it was sitting out in the yard for a couple years. I picked it up, brought it home and spent hours cleaning it. it was an ugly, faded purple and I went to Lowe's and bought a couple of cans of metallic blue spray paint and now it's really nice. I took it out on the bayou to test it out and I love it! watching your videos has given me the itch to pack up and go camping. looking forward to seeing more of your videos
+Nicholas Frasier Thanks Nicholas! What a great way to get into the sport! That's crazy, I'd love to find one like that. Hope you're able to get out there sooner than later and experience your first kayak camping adventure. Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoy my upcoming videos.
I wish the band that played the background music knew more than two chords.
Haha! I wish I would have turned the music WAY down....
I use a sit-on-top Point 65 Tequila solo for fishing in Scotland's Clyde Estuary all year round. I occasionally wear a kilt if the wind is not blowing too hard 😎. Every time I launch I expect to get wet. This is why I choose kayaking over boating. I love the sea! SoT's Rule! P.S. If I want to go fast, which I don't, I can mount my trolling motor. Great vid!
Good stuff! Glad you enjoyed it! Get Out There!
Regular kayak benefits; Speed, gear storage, Skeg/rudder if necessary, far better stability in rough water and most of all you can steer/control with body English. Sit-on-tops advantage; more room for a beer cooler.
Very well said! Great comment lol
You're definitely an inspiration.. I have been fishing for as long as I can remember (26yo now) and I went fishing from a kayak for the first time a few days ago and caught myself plenty of Bream and Flathead along with a 1.8m Bull Shark! Was an epic rush.. That night I came home and started watching kayak videos and found your channel.. Since then I have watched all your camping adventures (some more then once) and have been inspired to buy a kayak and go on some adventures myself.. I'm looking at getting a Malibu Stealth 12... Its a SOT but has ample storage and I don't plan on covering quite as much distance as you do , haha. Anyways sorry for the long comment.. Keep doing what you do.. Much respect and thanks!
Thanks for that man, I appreciate your kind words. Sounds like a rush to me, glad you enjoyed it!
Glad you found me and thanks for watching, that's the reason I do it, to inspire.
Don't fret over the long comment, I leave them as well lol. Sounds like a good yak, any yak is a good yak as long as you're getting out there really.....
Have fun with your new hobby!
This video has been so helpful. I'm about to order my very first kayak and I was already leaning towards a sit-in and this video secured my decision. Thanks from Louisiana.
Awesome Jannen! Glad to hear that you've found it valuable. Hope you enjoy your new yak!
Wish I could turn off the background music.
Yea, I made it to loud back then... Sorry!
This is an entertaining video, but it doesn't give sufficient weight to the primary difference between the two types: ease of re-entry. If you capsize in a sit-in, then you might not be able to get back in - even with a paddle float mentioned. To use a sit-in, you either need a bomb-proof roll, or be in a group who have practiced getting a swimmer back into his/her boat, or confine your paddling to areas where you can safely swim you and your boat back to shore.
Maybe you are right. Although I haven't had any trouble getting back in the yaks in deep water even without a paddle float. I don't have a paddle float but I imagine it would make an fairly easy task much easier. I can enter it solo in water over my head no problem.
Ease of re-entry isn't the primary difference between the two. And you defenetly can empty a sit inside and get back in it without any external help, and being into any water. As a matter of fact all these points are secondary differences due to the real primary one :
Sit inside kayaks had been invented by Inuits (that used to do all these things in a water around 34°F) and their actual form had been developed thanks to modern technologies in order to satisfy advanced sea kayakists.
Sit on top kayaks had been invented by businessmen in order to rent heavy duty kayaks to tourists with absolutely no paddling skills, and have been develloped later to satisfy the average fisherman that usually neither knows a shit about kayaking.
Sit inside kayaks are not difficult to roll, in fact sit on tops are way more difficult to roll back, if not impossible, especially with all the load of stuffs fishers are used to take with them. You got to learn how to, and usually you learn it quick as re-entry is a very basic. Sit inside are not difficult to empty and re-entry, again, so far you've learn how to and you are trained to do so.
Unless we are talking about waveskis, witch are the only kind of technical sit on top kayaks.... sit on top are easyer because they are made for under trained people. Sitting like in a coach and being propeled pushing pedals (as the actual fashion is growing) isn't using a kayak but a pedalo, and that's a huge difference because "sitting position + propulsion method" is what makes the difference between a kayak and a canoe.
But at the end sit inside or on top are made to help people having fun in the nautic wild, so they are both right to use so far we chose what solution is appropriate to our goals, and above all so far we are trained to the important technics insuring our safety. And that's also valuable for SOTs as beleiving they are safe enough to not have to train can be quite a source of accidents.
For me, it's about overall fitness, physical and mental. Currently, i have a sit in kayak which i love. It ticks all the box's. Generally, i like to paddle around 3 hours, maintaining a good steady rythm as i go. Should i consider entering an endurance event in the future, then it's likely i will purchase a sit in.
I hear ya, fitness is very important ;)
Good video Trip. I too, have used A SOT in the past for fishing and camping and they can work in warm water. But I now use SINKs exclusively for many of the reasons you mention. I paddle a Perception 12 for day paddling, just because it's easy just to throw it in the back of my truck bed; a WS Pungo for fishing (great big cockpit with kayak console and standup stability); and Perception 14.5 for trips. At first I thought a SOT would be safer for solo paddling, as I haven't learned to roll, and so much fuss is made about learning self rescues in SINKS. It's too bad that most of the kayak books available focus on learning rolls and paddle-float rescues when the scramble, or cowboy rescue is so easy and reliable for any reasonably athletic person to do. Also, I have only accidentally capsized twice, and both time were on SOTs transiting the surf zone. I have never come close to capsizing in a sit in.
+Davy Haynes Good stuff here, we are thinking pretty similarly. They both have their place for sure. I havent tried mine in surf to much but it is tricky lol
Most sit-on-top kayaks come with scupper plugs to keep the water from coming up in the cockpit. If for some strange reason it doesn't, they are pretty cheap to buy.
That is very true. I have found that if I use scupper plugs then the water that splashes in from the topside then just stays int he kayak keeping you wet.....
If the water area is in harbor, like paddling from a dinghy dock to a moored boat, will you still get wet on a sit-on-top kayak while still using scupper plugs? I plan on using the kayak everyday to get to and from the moored boat in the harbor. I don't want to get my daily wardrobe wet. Thanks.
If I go with a sit-inside kayak and use a Cockpit Cover, when not in use while tied up at the dinghy dock over many days, will the Cockpit Cover keep the inside of the kayak dry and clean?
If it has no neoprene tube to enclose the kayakist, and is perfectly made for that purpose, yes.
While you are having a warm Muscle Milk I'll be reaching behind me for a cold beverage out of my truck bed cooler. If I get flipped out I don't have to worry about Eskimos. You're faster, but I'm in no hurry. If a flow is moving at a 4 to 5 mph pace, that's good enough for me. Keep up the good work.
+Solo Roamin' Haha! I hear ya Solo. Thanks for the comment. Slow is still out there enjoying isn't it?
Have you ever a overnight camp with a sit on top kayak? Obviously not any lengthy trips, I was wondering if you've ever tried kayak camping with a S.O.T.
I don't think so... not YET ;) It really all depends on where you are paddling and how much water you want to cover on the trip. You can do it on anything that floats you and your gear really I guess.....
Thanks for the video. I found it informative, much more that other videos on the topic that are generally at a higher / more superficial level. Much appreciated. Kind regards, Richard.
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it Richard.
The sit on top and sit inside pros and cons are more General depending on what type of kayak you have in my opinion. I have both and I noticed I started using the sit-on-top much more often now. Now the sit-on-top I have is a Kaku Wahoo and it's 33 in wide. It tracks extremely straight due to its hole design and it's stable enough I can stand up if I need to. One of the things I've noticed I like about it is the fact that now that I'm 52 years old and I have screwed up hips and knees, getting in and out of my sit inside is more difficult. Specifically getting out of it I would say. They both have dry storage available and like you mentioned in your video, my Kaku Wahoo has a couple of different dry storage compartments. One nice thing is that the chair Sits Up Above and your but doesn't get wet. It has a 400 pound capacity so water doesn't really come up through the Scupper holes and I'm 235. The sit inside kayaks are much faster through the water and you can definitely hammer out the miles with one but accessing snacks and other gear is difficult sometimes causing you to have to Beach. Something else is that I can actually piss while I'm paddling in my sit on top. Not very easy in my sit inside without making a mess. So as far as hammering out the miles goes, I would say there are a few trade-offs that offset the speed of the sit inside. I'm planning on a long trip down the Missouri River then into the Mississippi and all the way to the Gulf of Mexico and I'm going to be trying to decide which one of my kayaks to take but I'm actually leaning towards the sit-on-top for that trip
Hmmmm I'd suggest taking your Wahoo out on some wide open water like the wide river when there is a breeze and see how you do. I think for any long trip, a sit inside touring is almost always the best choice. (well you can get a sit on top touring technically, but basically you really need a long and narrow kayak that move efficiently through the water and wind ;)
Trip Smith yes I agree! I'm looking at a sit on top for the mere fact that I have screwed up my knees and hips to the point we're getting on and off of a sit-on-top is just so much easier that it outweighs the fact that it is slower through the water and has much less inside storage. I plan on taking it out on Lake oahe and checking out how many miles I can make in a day.
Sounds good! Have fun figuring it all out! Doesn't matter what you paddle, as long as you are Out There!
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this is my first kayak and I was looking online for best kayaks and came up that this one was one of the best. it is a rotomoulded plastic one. eventually I will get the fiberglass one. in the summer here I am doing a trip round the whole of the welsh coast line. I have 4 go pro 4 cameras 1 camcorder. so I will upload all videos when done. I went out last year and hi had seal pups climbing on my deck. it's was awesome. unfortunately my sd card got damaged so it didn't record.
+david baker I think you made a great decision for your first kayak, no doubt. I'm going to be getting the rotomoulded plastic model as well and will probably stick with it because it can take a bit more abuse, purposefully and accidental abuse.
Hope you have a blast on your trip! Hate to hear that about your sd card. I've had some really great shots not record for some reason or another multiple times. No fun for sure.
Another great vid Trip. I use a Perception 13.5. I love it, but I do want to upgrade one day to a 16 ft or more. They have more storage and better tracking, not to mention speed. I do find that the 13.5 ft. is much better on narrow rivers that normally run through forestry areas. They handle the quick winding and make it a little easier to dodge blown trees and such blocking the river.
+Joe McCranie Thanks Joe! You are exactly right on the speed and tracking. Yea, on a small river/creek the shorter yak is better. I find myself on those size creeks for a short time compared to the time on a larger river on one of my 3-day trips. So I tend to lean toward the longer yaks. Maybe one day I'll have a few different ones to choose from depending on where I'm paddling.
I only have one. my wallet only will allow me one. If I could I would have about 3. In the coming season I plan to maybe start a channel on kayaking and creating a TH-cam diaries on the Rivers of South Carolina and their history. So far I've not seen anyone do that We have some of the longest black water rivers in the USA. Charleston harbor is where the civil war started. You can still see fallen bricks and construction fro free dives. Sweat Tea was first in this part of the US. Many plantations existed off the rivers and the remains of steam boats and such still exist. Anyway. It's a plan in the very beginnings. I have a lot to learn about kayaking, camping, and history. I'm hoping it works out and the plan comes together. You've been a great inspiration my friend. Keep it up. Thanks again.
+Joe McCranie I know what you mean Joe, I just have the two and they were good deals off Craigslist. I'm craving a newer Wilderness Systems yak but not sure if and when I may be able to afford it...
Man, that sounds like a interesting channel! I've wanted to get a little bit into the history around these parts as well. There is a local guy who goes out and finds all kinds of fossils and Indian artifacts on the river I've been wanting to hook up with.
Good luck with the channel and if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Thanks Trip. I will for sure have questions.
That guy you're talking about. you could find out where he found some of his artifacts and end up kayaking some of the same places those native Americans trade routes, stopping at some of the same places they might have stopped to camp. That guy can prob tell you a lot of info that would make for some interesting videos for sure..even show some of the tools, pots...and so on that they used on the river. That's kinda what I'm going to do here.
Looking forward to seeing your net trip.
Hey, I see you have the Olympia 850 on your Amazon page. Have you found any difference in the newer Olympia 860. I've not really found much difference, and the price is lower.
Maybe I'll try to link up with him.
About the camera, someone else brought that to my attention today so I checked it out and no, there apparently isn't much difference other than the 860 has GPS tagging capabilites and built in Wifi. Sounds like a no brainer to me... I'm about to change the Amazon store from the 850 to the 860.
That's crazy lol. I keep looking online for new waterproof cameras for a upgrade from the tg850/860 but as of right now it seems like the best one out there. Glad you've seen the Amazon store!
Thanks for the comparison. With a sit in kayak, do you have foot rests to push your feet against when paddling so as to use your core muscles more?
Yes, most have foot rests inside. If the yak has a rudder they are used to steer the rudder also.
I have used both and I prefer the sit in, for the things I do in it. Also, I have a longer torso than I do legs so paddling a sit on top really cranks my back, it is much more comfortable for me sitting inside and closer to the water.
+creeryk Yep, same situation here (for the things I do in it). They can be really comfortable and SOT's are a little odd to sit in I've found. Thanks for watching Creeryk, and for commenting to!
I love sit-in because of the storage, some wind protection.
+Shekhar Moona no doubt!
Another great video. Thanks for review of sit-on-top vs. sit-inside. You had some really good comments.I have a folding inflatable, Advanced Elements Expedition. I got this instead of a shorter one so I can take it camping, but I haven't done it yet. I've taken it out several times, though, and have had a blast with it. But I haven't done any videos yet.
+Bonstergirl Tank you Bonster! I've always been interested in seeing one of those types of kayaks but never had. Read good things about them though. Hope you get a chance to take it for an overnight. It's an amazing but simple step up from a day trip. Thanks for dropping in.
+SailingandSuch i ve done a video on my advanced elements straightedge angler. it's also shown on my intro clip. it's alright but. don't take it around any barnacles.
I'm still torn between the two. I will be using it mostly on lakes and maybe some slow moving rivers just to get sun and have a good time with friends. I've never actually kayaked before, only used a canoe once, but I enjoyed it so much that I can only imagine kayaking would be just as fun if not more. Also, I will more than likely only use in spring summer and early fall so I wont mind getting wet. I like the speed aspect of the longer narrow kayak, but do not like that I can't move around it freely like a sit on top. Can you still move pretty good in a sit on top if you are consistent with your paddling? Thanks for any future input.
You'd probably be better off with a sit on top. If you get a long, narrow and fast kayak and paddle with friends you will be so much faster than them. I'd seriously take a look at the hybrid kayak/SUP's. I have a Kaku Kahuna and for what you are describing I would want the Kahuna every time.... Yes, you can still move just fine and you only need to go as fast as the slowest in the group. You're welcome!
All (or most) of my friends pile up gear on the "truck bed" portion of their SOT...one friend has an "ocean kayak" brand "big game prower" or some such name...this massive SOT has pretty much the entire internals of the kayak can pack gear...other ones require you to stow quit a bit a gear on that "truck bed" portion.
Another huge benefit of a longer touring kayak, is that they have a larger water footprint, and are designed often for various camping load capacities, and when loaded, they loose far far less buoyancy...and that greatly affects performance.
"most" sit on tops that are out there are terrible at paddling any real distance...and to be fair "most" sit in kayaks used are terrible. A longer (14+ feet) more narrow (24 inches or less width) will just paddle so much more effortlessly and not be so badly affected by your camping load.
The wider shorter SOT's when loaded up become a horrifying bathtub to paddle on flat water..and sometimes depending on how loaded, much more unstable.
Related, boy, these can be hard to find once you get to picking one specifically that you want....dealers across most ALL of the southeast keep either none in stock, or happen to have a couple. There are a couple exceptions, but they are high end models (eddyline is sold by a dealer in Destin, called "kayak experience" and they keep demos of those boats on hand). point is, relatively, these sit in touring kayaks are very uncommon in the southeast....even though we have absurd amounts of amazing flat water.
I could go on and on about this, but I wish more could try out a touring kayak for a trip and be able to decide for themselves....I have allowed several newb's to paddle my boat in the past year, they all got a huge smile and had good things to say, and my wife will be getting her own soon.
Take Care, I know I am preaching to the choir here...but Trip, I think you should do an update video on this subject...or we could do like a "demo day" and get a bunch of people together at like a river or lake for a day trip for people to show up who have never paddled one and let them paddle it for that day? Just a thought.
+Bhamlunker wow, FABULOUS comment! All good points. A test day would be fun.... I may look into that. Thanks for sharing your well thought out opinion.
I have a sit-in kayak but thinking about getting a sit on top bc I'm short not that strong to paddle think being on top help it easier to paddle
Hey Melissa! I think a sit in ay be better for you since if keeps you closer to the water so you have less leverage fighting against you ;) I actually answered your question Live on the last Reply Line Show, Episode 012. You probably would enjoy my in depth answer there - th-cam.com/video/IJ9ZIyHI9nI/w-d-xo.html
@@TripSmith I tried both yesterday a sit on top like better easier for me but ty responding
I'd say this was pretty good and neutral comparison between the two. I'm a sit inside-type of guy myself too, but that's mostly because we have really cold weathers and waters here up north, plus all that "dry" storage is good for camping. :P
+Ajaton And to speak of drysuits. I'd get one if i was a sit on topper. For now, i use just a simple wetsuit, because why not. I swim in natural waters year round (one can google: ice swimming and see what we crazy finns do, lol) and afterall kayaking in the same waters isn't any colder. :D
+Ajaton Yes sir! Good man ;) A wetsuit? Man, I donno about that, seems cold. I have a shorty wetsuit that I've used diving in springs and cave diving but I can just imagine wearing that joker all day in a kayak while paddling. Maybe I should give it a shot but not with a shorty I'm guessing.....
I like your gear locker you have built behind you. Did you build it yourself?
Sure did Bill, love that thing! Check out these videos - th-cam.com/video/l9-Nwhvryn8/w-d-xo.html
Humbug, my sit on top kayak has 2 waterproof storage places and I can stash all my camping gear in it. And at the back enough outside storage for a camping chair and bbq... etc
Nice! Are the storage spaces really waterproof? Seems like most sit on tops I see the inside storage isn't waterproof but it's open the entire inside of the kayak. But of course I haven't seen all kayaks..... What are you paddling?
I have a Wilderness Systems Tarpon 140 sit on top kayak. As far as I know are the hatches waterproof like any other kayak, yes the disadvantage is that the they whole kayak inside is one open space. Much gear I store on the back deck of the kayak in waterproof Ortlieb dry bags. They are very usefull. I use them on my bicycle trips for over 15 years now. Very durable. I do want to get me a sit inside kayak too for sea trips since I live at the North sea. So then I am more protected against the elements when the weather starts getting colder. I got this Tarpon 140 kayak 2nd hand on a real good deal.
Hey Trip! Henry here. I was wandering what do you think is more convenient and better to have while kayak camping, a tent or a hammock? And also what kind of clothing do you where to stay dry and comfortable? Thanks a lot I can't wait for summer I already have a couple trips planed with one of my buddies to get out kayak camping (in an enclosed kayak) BOOYAA!
Thanks a lot Trip!
Henry Schneider
+Henry Schneider Well, I think a hammock for a few reasons. You're up off of the ground out of the dirt, ants, rocks and sticks. You don't have to have a perfectly smooth and level ground to camp, just 2 trees which are pretty easy to find on a river bank. The best part though is that it sleeps just as comfortable at home as it does anywhere else. So, once you figure out what "hang" (angle of the hammock's hang) is best for you, you can then set the hammock to replicate that exact hang every single time no matter what. With a tent you have to worry about the ground so much that often times it's difficult to get comfortable on the hard ground without a bunch of extra bulky gear.
That's great you have some trips planned, I'm really happy to hear that Henry. Good deal, a sit in kayak BOOYAH!
All the best Henry, I know you'll have a blast.
+SailingandSuch thanks Trip! Truly inspirational!
+SailingandSuch thanks Trip! Truly inspirational! And I will definitely go with the hammock.
Thanks a lot!
Henry Schneider
+Henry Schneider You bet Henry! Good info over a hammockforums.net
thank you for your good advise... but i thinking iwill getting both... lets go all the way
You're welcome! Both??? SOUNDS GREAT!!!!! Have fun!!!!!
I just want to try one. Thinking about buying a Walmart sit on top to start out with. A creek near my home goes all the way to the Tennessee river. Looks like summer fun. ;')
Yep, best thing to do is just to try. I'd suggest the buying of Cragslist idea. What will probably happen is you will buy one from Walmart, realize you want to start yaking more with a nicer yak so you will want to sell that one. You bought it new so now you will have to take a loss on it when you sell it. Or you could get on Craigslist and buy one for the same price that might be little nicer and higher quality that you can sell for the same amount you paid for it when you want to sell it. Just a thought.
Your music is TOO LOUD!
So distracting I couldn't even finish it. 👎🏻
I agree 100%.... Sorry about that. I have since learned from my mistakes ;)
SailingandSuch....it's to late man the damage has been done hahaha jk cool video.
SailingandSuch down here in South Georgia, I really prefer sit on top
I agree,Bev.... onto the next video!
Hey Bud. I just got a wilderness tempest 170 kayak in red. it's awsome. v comfortable seat and it's a v stable kayak. I live in Wales in the uk.
+david baker David!!!!! You rascal!!!!! I'm jealous!!!!! Congrats though! I'm hoping to get one eventually, not sure when it will happen though... May I ask, what made you choose that particular kayak?
Now almost 4 years later and more exposure to some of the newer sit on top, what's your take?
What a great question! I enjoy paddle boards more these days (I guess you could classify that more as a sit on top). It's all in what activity are you doing the most of.... SOT's are great for fishing and leisure paddling. At the filming of this video, my focus was on longer distance paddling/camping where I still feel the touring kayak is superior.
I love watching your videos and you made some great points on this one. Keep them coming
Thankya! I'll keep on!
Any thoughts on the Hobie Island, which has a sail and fins to help propel it and has the outrigers compared to a sit inside kayak. I would be using it on the ocean in the pacific NW, so would need to wear a dry suit anyway.
Used to have one actually. Well, a Hobie Tandem Island. It was nice, but I don't think it was best suited for camping and it was more than I wanted. A trailer is probably the best way to haul it and with a trailer it's much harder to find spots to park for free.... It's fun for sure, but just not best suited for my type of paddling.
What about the Kaku. I saw your video and you seemed to love it. If I was going to do some river kayaking like in Big Bend or The Buffalo in Arkansas. I am also 6’4” and about 210. Thoughts?
I did love the Kaku Kahuna, until I got on an inflatable. They are so much lighter, paddle easier, track straighter, more forgiving, easier to store and transport.... I love em. Sold the Kahuna a while back and I now own 5 inflatables if that tells you anything lol
thanks for the video. great input. music is not bad.
Thanks! Yea, not bad but I wouldn't do it like that again....
hey trip!!! man i just got me a wilderness systems cape lookout 145 for $175 took it out this last weekend and love it. gonna start camping with it soon!!!!
Nice find!!!! Sounds like you got a great buy, CONGRATS!!! Glad you are enjoying it. Love my older Wilderness Systems yak, they hold up really well in my opinion. Hope you are able to Get Out There soon and start enjoying some camping! Thanks for dropping by and leaving a comment.
I prefer seat on top kayaks because you can easly get inside if you capsize. Also they are more stable. For the caribbean this is the best option. As mentioned on this video if you want to kayak in cold water and in cold weather, The best option is the seat inside Kayaks. I recomend to practice the eskimal roll with proper supervison with an instructor before operating a seat inside Kayak.
That is one advantage for sure, but it's all a trade off. I wouldn't say the sit on top is always best for Caribbean, but best for some situations. I tried practicing some rolls on my last trip and I didn't do so well.....
SailingandSuch what happened Trip? Learning now on a perception corona I just bought
I'm no into fishing . I'm into road cycling and mountain biking. Kayaking looks fun. What type of kayak is best for fitness and exploring .
I'm not much into fishing myself either..... Although I do light catching crabs and using a cast net.... A touring kayak would be the best for that. I'd suggest the Wilderness Systems Tempest. That's what I've got my eyes set on as my next yak.
+SailingandSuch
I'm inland here in Arkansas . But we have plenty lakes and rivers. I've never tried kayaking. I've gone canoeing as a kid but I'm sure that's a different animal. What are the differences of cheap ,mid price to expensive? Material & weight?
Kayaking and canoeing have their similarities but differences also. Well, first there are differences in designs (short and fat vs long and narrow) The long and narrow yaks are faster and track straighter (touring kayaks). You don't really find many cheap ones of those when buying new. But you can find excellent deals on the buying used on Craigslist and such.
Material differences are plastic (what I use), fiberglass and carbon fiber. The plastic are the most affordable and most durable. You go up in price with the other materials and save a little bit on wieght, but not enough in my opinion and you sacrifice durability. A nice 16' plastic touring kayak will take you a long way. You would be very experienced before you needed/wanted a faberglass or carbon yak.
+SailingandSuch
I'm not sure I can transport such a long kayak. I have a Dodge Dakota with a 8ft bed. . Are there mid size kayak. Long but not as long as a sea kayak?
I just bought a Toyota Tacoma with a 5' bed and hauled my yak just fine last week. I'm eventually going to get a rack or a camper shell and rack to haul it on but it can be done without. I simply strap it to the closed tailgate and the top of the cab with padding underneath and it works pretty good. Not the most attractive but it works.
Sure, there are mid sized yaks, 12'ers and 10's but you will have similar issues hauling it.
Hey Trip,
I,am thinking of getting a sit in but can you tell me how much weight it adds to the yak with all your camp gear in it. For a women these things can get pretty heavy. Glad I stumbled on to your videos very informative and funny at the same time.
Hey Patty! I understand your concern with weight for sure. Sit In (SI) yaks vs Sit On Top (SOT) yaks on the weight battle, SI yaks generally win every time. For instance, you take a 16'6" Tempest 170 at 57lbs and compare that to other Wilderness System SOT yaks that are anywhere from 76lbs-80lbs that is a pretty bi difference. The Tempest has a hull design that makes it faster to paddle. Couple that with the weight savings and it's even faster and most importantly, easier to paddle faster.
When it comes to camping gear weight, that is dependent on the person really. I have a backpackers mindset (or try to) and like to pack light if possible. It is possible to get down to 10lbs-15lbs of gear for a trip and still be safe and comfortable. Then depending on the food you take you can save some weight there as well. Dehydrated meals are very lightweight, you just need to have access to clean water for them like a spring or some sort of filtration system.
I have never actually weighed my gear so I don't really know how much I'm bringing. I do pack a lot of thing's I don't exactly have to have like; goggles, fins, cast net, hatchet, grill, etc.
Remember though if you have to pull the yak to and from the water whether it be for launching or getting to a campsite you can always bring a large bag or two and unload the heaviest items. I often do this to make the yak easier to drag.
Hope you find yourself a nice yak soon! Let me know what you end up decided and what yak you go with!
Thanks for your in put much appreciated.I do have a small sit in nothing fancy but want to upgrade to bigger one. Thanks again Trip
You're welcome! Hope you find one soon. Let me know what you end up with and how you like it!
you're the best Trip..love your videos. Cheers, Ted
+S/V AIRPOWER Hey Ted, I really appreciate the positive words. Glad you're still watching! Should have another later this week :)
what about length...so we did a trip in rentals on the "Big Escambia RIver" down in south Alabama just a month or two ago...some decent current, riffles...one or two class 2 rapids...does too long in some waters translate into more difficult to turn and such when needed.
Mostly my sit on top experience has made me kinda hate their slowness for our camping trips so far....
+Bhamlunker I haven't found mine to be much of an issue to turn. You can learn to turn them really well by tipping them on their edge and turning.
I've found that typically if I start in a smaller river that is winding with tight turns that it doesn't last long and the majority of my trip is on straighter wider parts of rivers. So really the longer faster yak is the best option the majority of the time.
Then if you ever take it to the beach or lakes your are good to go with a long, nicely tracking yak. Plus you get more storage in a longer yak..... I can't see why a longer one is a poor option for what I do......
SailingandSuch as a follow up Trip - I ended up falling in love with my touring kayak! Even in small skinny Alabama water I enjoy it.
Personally own a sit-in but have used both, for fishing I prefer a sit in top... But like you said longer distances it's much nicer to have sit-in, feels a lot more homey! Enjoyed the video Trip, keep it up!
+Ole Snipe I agree. It's all depending on your intentions. I plan on keeping it up, thanks for the encouragement.
You could get into this bum-first-feet-last, and out of it the same way in reverse. You can't do it in every kayak, but you can see your knee in this at 2:32. If you can see your knee, you can get it out. Shove your bum back and move your knee to the center if you have to. One leg is all you need, to get out. Getting in you just straddle it, drop your bum in, then fold one leg in after the other. If you "cowboy" back in for a re-entry, that's what you have to do.
Also, dry suits are very comfortable, as long as they're breathable. More comfortable than any other kind of outer clothes, and you stay completely dry if you're camping and it's raining. You just don't care about rain. Also, no ticks.
Also, check out surf skis. They're basically open-deck kayaks. Most of them are racing hulls but there are quite a few these days that are touring type hulls, with sealed interior hatches and all. Some plastic layups. A lot easier to get out of and get back on. A closed kayak, you want to roll - getting out and getting back in is a messy, chancy business. A surf ski you can climb off, climb back on, you're back to where you started.
That's how I do it generally when it's in the water, bum first. One day when my budget can support it I'd love to try a dry suit, but it's not a smart move at the moment...
The surf skis look pretty awesome. I get sick when I browse the Epic website lol Man that would be Epic if I could just have a chance to paddle one of those as a demo. One day....
The new stable touring skis are nice, but skinny boats are addictive once you start getting the hang of them. Takes more than a demo though - you feel pretty unstable for quite a while, but you keep improving so it's a pleasant learning curve.
I'd like to try both. I wish I had the $$$ to experiment. I can only imagine how awesome they are to paddle. Thanks for chiming in with info and for watching! It's good to have knowledgeable people in the audience ;)
love your video... can you make more kayaking camping video please it just make my day better to come home from school and see your adventure!
+DontUndo I wish I could make a new one every week bud. Unfortunately I live in the real world and I'm not a lotto winner so I have to work in order to play. Heading out this weekend though so you can expect a new adventure next Friday if the Lord is willing. Thanks for watching man. Stay in school! lol
hahaha aright
What do you suggest for alligator infested water? I not interested in fishing.
Sit in recreational kayak for maneuverability.
Yea, I think a sit in recreational kayak probably would be the way to go.
battleship with depth charges.
they have sit ins with bigger holes in the middle if you are worried about getting in and out
+hyrum reid Yea, there is a give and take with the size of the opening. My Wilderness Systems Sealution II have a larger opening, not by much but enough to be much easier to get in and out of. I plan on moving up to a Wilderness Systems Tempest 170 which I hope to be a decent size opening.
Now I'm watching this video and you've had your Kaku Kahuna I'm just wondering what would you rather have the Kaku Kahuna or yellow kayak
A paddleboard would be my preference for most instances. I really enjoy the freedom and openess of them. So easy, so simple....
Trip, you've got to paddle an RTM Disco, Midway, or Tempo. "Performance" touring SOTs! Paddle safely, my Friend!
I'd love to try one of those for sure. They are certainly interesting.
still lovin my pelican vortex... its tiny!! that joker will go anywhere
Awesome Noah! As long as you are getting out there bud!
1 thing agree with you,its almost like 2 dude riding,1 with Kawasaki 800 and another cool guy riding a triumph 500 Speed Twin
+halidaf76 Yes! Lol you are right! Thanks for the comment!
Oh yeah, Great job on the stool. Very cool. I'm a prop maker. Not sure if you know what that means. Wood junkie!
Lol thanks! Prop maker? Like boat props? Or like movie set props?
Movie sets
I'm so close to buying the kaku Kahuna. You make it look fun
Tough to say one type of kayak is better, it all depends what your using it for. I maintain a fleet: Hobie Adventure Islander, Jackson Cruise SOT, SINKs some rigged only for fishing some are not, river boats, surf skis. Every kayak has a purpose. Limiting yourself to only one type of kayak will ultimately limit your opportunities. Say no to limits.
+Todd Switzer I wish I had fleet, maybe one day.... I'd like to do some fishing sometime I guess, not really interested in it in a large way at the moment but I'm sure that time will come. No to Limits! I like it!
Why can't they make an adventure kayak with quick deploying outriggers. So you get to where you're going far and easy but you can still fish and swim is you want.
I think they do actually.... facebook.com/swaggerkayak/
All the info i needed to know.... Thanks!!!!
Perfect!!!! You're welcome!
I agree with some other comments about the music . I prefer videos w/o music . Too distracting.
Yea, I agree. This is a pretty old video and I have learned from my many mistakes since then. THe music being one lol
I can carry 3x more stuff on my Feelfree 13.5ft kayak. I can stand up and sight fish. I'm dry the whole time. I can jump out and jump back in on the water. I can store stuff in my kayak and it won't get wet. I have a built in wheel to haul all of my gear (200lbs +) Plus if my kayak flips I can flip it back over and jump back in with out it sinking...I think this guy had some cheap sit on top kayaks and judging from those.
+DanSan There are definitely differences. I like my Kahuna SUP/kayak over a heavy sit on top. I've certainly been on some nice SOTs
that storage cabinet in the back is sick. did you build that?
Thanks Schmid! Yes I did actually. I've got a video about it, not exactly a how to but you can see how it's built. Make one!
+SailingandSuch thanks dude. I'm in the market for a kayak and I stumbled upon your video. I saw the shop and said to myself "this guy's definitely a woodworker" I'll have to watch the other video. and reverse engineer it.
Yep, been a woodworking and carpenter for a while now. Kayaking is my preferred hobby though lol. If you have any questions on yaks feel free to ask.
idk if you mentioned it but sit insides get spiders(black widows) in them alot were u and i live so they can be a little tedious to clean but i think each one of them have uses for different things
That is true.... I find black widows around my house often. Haven't spotted one in the yak yet but I don't look often at all. Maybe I should start lol
You keep your yaks in a shed correct
Mine I keep under a pole barn and I find em in there all the time
I bet! I try to keep mine inside the shop/garage.
+SailingandSuch I just keep mine out of the elements best I can until I hit the water
I love my Hobie Pro Angler 😀. I am working up for a trip like you do.
And I always stay dry even the choppiness water 😝
+Draco Arcane I think the one reason I've had water come in is simply through the scupper holes. I don't think the Hobie angling kayaking have that problem so much. I know my Hobie Tandem Island yak did but it was a wet and wild ride no matter what.
Hope you get out there sooner than later. Thanks for the comment!
+SailingandSuch yeah the vantage seat keeps me off the yak. I go out on the lake often. building up my arm and leg strength. I am a disabled war vet. My injuries have kept me from doing so much but with my Hobie I am getting out there again.
Fantastic man! Glad you're able to get out and get stronger to do what you enjoy. Have fun!
"Cowboy rescue" is easy enough in open water - ever try it Trip? The distinction sit in vs SOT is a bit misleading...what makes these better for longer distances and more efficient paddling is the profile - longer and more narrow - a "recreational" shorter wider Sit in kayak will not be as efficient. You can find more narrow and long SOT and they are much easier to paddle but they are still heavier compared to a sit in touring yak. When people say "SOT" they generally mean a fairly wife super stable 10-13 foot fishing type kayak - and when the masses hear "sit in kayak" they think of a short wife Rec kayak.
Wide and short suck to me for enjoying anything on flat water or paddling hours.
+Bhamlunker Great comment! Very good points and I agree with you. Well done, thanks!
Worried about swimming in a sit on top learn the roll enough said. It is not hard, it is not exclusive to Whitewater, and can be learned in a day. Don't limit yourself.
Yea, I need to learn to roll for sure....
Your videos have really peaked my interest in kayak camping. You mention that you would not go shorter than 14' for a sit in kayak and that you may even go as long as a 17 footer. Why is that?
+ScanMan1967 Well, the longer kayaks have many advantages and no disadvantages really to me. They are faster (longer waterline = faster), paddle straighter and have more storage. The only thing I would consider that could be a disadvantage is the turning capabilities. But I haven't had trouble really turning in my 16.5'er on some pretty winding rivers. Most rivers open up pretty quickly anyhow on a 3 day trip..... On a winter trip the extra storage is nice ;)
+ScanMan1967 Well, the longer kayaks have many advantages and no disadvantages really to me. They are faster (longer waterline = faster), paddle straighter and have more storage. The only thing I would consider that could be a disadvantage is the turning capabilities. But I haven't had trouble really turning in my 16.5'er on some pretty winding rivers. Most rivers open up pretty quickly anyhow on a 3 day trip..... On a winter trip the extra storage is nice ;)
these are good videos any time you can pick new skills even for the experience people.
Thanks Edmund! Much appreciated!
What kind of kayak is that
That one is a Perception Shadow, Sealion. Great kayak, I just couldn't get comfortable in the seat so I sold it. I'm not using a older Wilderness Systems Sealution II. I'm hoping to move up to a Wilderness Systems Tempest 170 though eventually....
+SailingandSuch thanks for the comment back, your adventure trips are great !!!!
You're welcome! Glad you enjoy them.
I bothers me to see a kayak sitting on top of the table saw.
Haha, I can understand that....
You know what we in Florida call those things alligator feeding stations!!!
Lol, Well Florida probably has more alligator feeding stations than any other state!
I wouldn't kayak in Florida, lol.
Is calling an object a "joker" a regional thing or just something you say? Had me cracking up. Great video as always.
+Jack Liszewski lol, I guess it's a regional thing. Thanks for watching Jack, glad you enjoyed it!
What style kayak would be the best recommendation for kayaking up the Mississippi around 5 to 10 miles against the current?
I currently have a 1972 Alumacraft canoe, and I struggle to make it a half mile, as it’s more a freight style boat, and not very aerodynamic or fast.
Definitely a touring kayak for that.... You'll be shocked ;)
i like the sit in kayak's i have one and then i tried a sit on top kayak and i was like seriously brooo why would you not use a sit in kayak there so much better, but my friend didnt agree they like sit on top kayaks
+valuelessfawn6 Haha! You got one up on them then when you all go out. Way to go!
All yall who are hating on the music BACK OFF! ITS NOT ANNOYING OR TOO LOUD! STOP CRITICIZING HIM.
Lol Thanks Devan. I will admit it might have been a touch to loud in this one.
Nice explanation, thank you very mıch for your effort. But music is annoying.
You're welcome. Yes, it is.... I've learned since then lol
I was interested on the video but had to stop because of the annoying background music
Yea.... I was still learning when I made this video lol Sorry about that.
Sit on tops are NOT kayaks. They're surfboards with seats.
Hehe, kind of....
Trip did you by chance go to North Greenville University?
Hmmm don't recall ever going there lol NOpe, sure didn't. You must be thinking of some other totally awesome person from there....
Turn the music down or off
Yea I agree. This is an old video before I knew better
I notice heavy set men love sit on tops..
You may be right, they are easier to get in and out of... Although there was a guy who was over 6' on the subscriber trip in a touring kayak.
6'2" 250lbs paddle a sit in kayak and only go for a sit on if I'm in charge of the dog.
Waiting for my Sun dolphin Excursion 12ss to show up which should hold me over until I get my hand made one finished which may be months yet. Should prove to be a good enough entry level to get my wifes feet wet and a bunch of fun. Was just watching due to title but subscribed because of God Bless. God Bless yeah! very informative video.
Oh cool Daniel! Have fun building! Thanks for subscribing bud, God Bless!
Great oped
Thanks!
great video mate but the music gets really annoying after a while :)
I agree..... I was learning (and still am) and experimenting with music during the time of this video... Sorry lol
no worries man haha. im actually just starting out with Kayaking. took my first ever lesson last week. have tons to learn :)
Bro hit leg day lmao
lol, Oh I do, they are just chicken legs. I Crossfit several times a week and squat heavy. Can't grow.....
Anyone that works out knows calves are the hardest to grow
Scupper plugs do exist
True, but then once you get the water in (which is kind of inevitable when paddling) it's stuck, a lot of times right under your bottom....
Very nice video, but never start you videos with "Whaz Up?"
lol Sorry, I start most all of them with that ;)
I dont think my long ass legs will be comfortable in a sit inside haha
You may be surprised. Last subscriber trip the tallest person of the group was in a low volume (narrow/sleek) sit-inside and he was super comfy.
Great video! This was a tough decision for me at first when i bought my first kayak... I ended up with a sit on top only cause I liked having a Cooler with me for my beers...and rods...I actually purchased a one of kind Rawson kayak recently. It's a sit in with deployable skeg and rudder but the cockpit is set forward. With both up it turns on a dime... The haul design is also one of a kind... Now I have both types...Check out my video and you can see it in action ! Take care !!!!
Sit on kayaks are much better in my opinion
They can be for sure. Just depends on your intentions.
Yeah that’s true . I imagine the sea would be a prime example .
I can’t wait for the weather to pick up over here , I need a weekend kayak break . Uk weather sucks but hey make the most of it eyy !
Il definitely be buying a treo chair after seeing your review on them .
Top bit of kit !
Keep up the kayak videos bro - from the Uk 🇬🇧
Scrap the music and upload it again.
Can’t watch it that music!!!
Yea I know... I've learned a lot since this video.... Sorry about that
Getting wet in a sit on top? Huh? Scupper plugs. Dugh. This is the worst pitch for a sit in I've ever seen. Full of misinformation.
In my experience Michael you usually get wet from water dripping off of your paddle at least while in a sit inside if you needed to stay dry (cold and windy) a skirt can be used to keep the water off. Not to mention rain and waves splashing up over the sides.
I use a Prowler 13 for wildlife Photography, I am in Lakes and Rivers with 30 Grand in Photo gear, one drop of water could cost me 2 grand in the right spot. It would be a gigantic insurance claim to flip. I'm not getting a drop into my Kayak. I'm not lifting the Paddle over my head either. But this video is a hard sell for a sit in that has a lot of truth left out. I would rather have my gear in a dry bag in a Storage of a Sit on top. I can flip and nothing would get wet and it's Floating. It's Safer period. I can store 10 fishing rods in the hull. I can strap packs, coolers and such to the top. WHen I watch this video I can only think of two things a Sit IN has over a SOT, Weight, and Lower center of gravity. Thats it. Good for a short hop day trip. I would never bet any gear or even my life on a trip in a Sit In. Try a double layer of drip rings for your paddle problem. A poncho combats the wind and rain, I plug my Scupper holes with Practice golf balls and I am floating on the water in lakes with skiing going on I am still not taking on water from waves. If someone who knows nothing watches this, they might pick the much less safe Sit In kayak. That sucks.
Huh Wuss!
Good grief that music
I know it.... what was I thinking way back then?