Why Is My Kayak Sinking?! What You NEED TO KNOW About Kayak Flotation.
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The float bag coming out just goes to show how a situation can escalate.
yeah hey . totally showed Dans experience .
I usually don't comment on videos, but your dedication to teaching us is outstanding! What you did looked really miserable, but you did it for us and remained upbeat. You're the best, Dan & Seth!!
Thanks for leaving a comment. It was our pleasure….. kinda.
Dan taking a few for the team. That's no joke man. I don't know how cold that was but it LOOKED cold. And can we just talk about Dan hanging out in the water to narrate the video? If you got flipped you'd be getting back in as quickly as possible. Dan hanging out in the water and then going back in! Big thanks for the great content.
Haha it’s been two weeks since his video and I’m still sitting by the fire warming up. 🥶 🔥
Dan always good to see you back and you get 10 out of 10 points for dedication to duty. At the same time I could not helping recalling standing beside legendary sea kayaker John Dowd at a sea kayaking symposium we both spoke at in the early 1980s where while observing self rerscue techniques in a flat calm harbor he yelled, "I'd bloody well like to see ya try that in rough conditions!" In short I'd caution viewers to consider that even an experienced paddler like yourself dressed in a dry suit in flat calm conditions had difficulty pulling this off. Not to say that self rescue is impossibly difficult but rather to suggest that rule #1 is "Don't tip over!"
“Oh, wasn’t expecting that.” Classic words that go after “Here, hold my beer.” Kudos for the very informative video. Cheers!!!
Don't know much about Kayaking, but I have been in very very cold water. The fact that you were able to speak clearly and move your body they way you did is amazing. That dry suit is obviously incredible and could be the difference between life and death. Thanks for the video.
It is a game changer 100% in cold water.
Keep in mind that paddling your kayak to shore is not always an option. Deep shorelines, thick bush, etc may make things challenging.
haha well one of the good things about being old is you realize what you should not do. I have trouble getting into a dry kayak from land. I'm not kayaking in the cold or anywhere I can't swim in. Limiting but keeps me alive. Enjoyed watching the demo.
Amazing video! Seeing a pro go through the paces in calm water really demonstrates the need for good gear, practice and thinking through these scenarios each time we go out! Thanks Dan!
Very nice work under challenging conditions! Great to see the dedication to your craft!
Your sacrifice is appreciated. Great demonstration!
That was quite the eye-opener! I will be practicing kayak re-entry once things warm up around here- thank you for your efforts in putting this together!
Thanks, Dan, that was very helpful. And we appreciate you getting in that cold water for the comparison.
Bless your heart for the demonstration in such conditions❣️
Great real-life test and demo! First time I see it this well demonstrated for the Oru.
Another fantastic video for us beginner yakers…thanks Dan 😎
Nice techniques Dan - learn something new each time I watch!
Swimming with the paddle was a true sign of a professional hahaha smooth
Haha thanks
Great demos on a cold day ! Will have to share with my paddlers Thanks Dan
Thank you for being so brave to tip the oru over! Just got an oru inlet and I’ve been nervous about tipping over. I go out by myself which is the reason I got such a fantastic concept of a kayak. I am in my 60s and it is easy to carry and put together. I got my foldable Oru because I was tired of waiting for someone else to go with me on beautiful kayaking days.
Much needed video - always informative and definitely important to know! Watching the video I was gripped with fear knowing how difficult it looked trying to first of all drain the kayaks and then go back in - and this was watching a pro do it!! Will definitely sign up for a safety course come Spring!! Thanks for all your informative video Dan!
That’s awesome. Once you learn the skills it’s not that scary. Good for you for taking the time
Dan - you're bananas, but in the best way!!! Love your commitment to the sport! I think you've masterminded a whole new way of getting in a full body workout!!
Well done! I really appreciate all the efforts you put into making this video! :)
Thank you for testing for our safety and knowledge ❤
Thanks for all you do to educate us paddlers. Years ago your videos helped me pick my first kayak and your videos helped me pick my current kayak, a Crescent Lite Tackle. I’ve learned how to paddle, how to board my kayak, how to re-enter my kayak after a flip, and so much more from your videos. Thank you!!
That’s awesome. Thanks for hanging out and checking out our videos.
Thanks for a great video showing limitations and benefits.
Man I was cold just watching you! Thanks for what you do!
Helpful video. I'd be happy to see more like it.
Great video that shows how challenging self rescue can be and the value of floatation as well as proper gear for survival! I have to commend you for the guts it took on such a cold day; it was entertaining and very informative! I had to laugh a couple of times because I know what you're going through to make this video...thanks for your dedication to teaching us what we need and how we can use it to stay safe out there!
Glad it was helpful!
Im in Europe buying my first kayak and learning the basics from your video. I need to admit your dedication and experience is top notch. Big fan. Regards
Thanks for the message. Excited for you to get out and explore.
I doubt many people could have pulled off what Dan just did that watch this channel . maybe 29 thousand out of the 129 subscribers . Mate that was epic !
Awesome video. People have to account for your expertise as they watch you flip over a kayak. Totally two different worlds watching you and when it happens in real life to them.
Fair assessment.
Thank you for this! This was the last piece of info I needed before pulling the trigger on the ORU. I don’t have the space for a kayak otherwise.
Excellent demo in real conditions. I paddle on larger Arizona lakes with 2 seniors in Orus. And the bulkheads and one ladies float bags come out of place easily. But it did show Oros float, and pros can get back in and importance of float bags. One has taken kayak class but self rescue not taught. Keep doing such videos
I’m so glad you did this video.
Woohoo! Get in that cold water! Definitely worth the watch. VERY useful.
I love the last segment of the video where you're paddling underwater to get to the shore.
Thanks for chilling your bones to educate us!
Haha my pleasure.
This was incredibly entertaining to watch. Do more of these instructional videos please.
So grateful for your demonstrations. Thank you.
Man that looks cold, hope you do these tests in summer months going forward.
I just got an Oru Inlet and we flipped ours and it's near impossible to empty. We had to swim it to shore for the recovery. I'm now going to buy the flotation bags for the same reasons you demonstrated. Also going to look at a hard shell kayak to add to the fleet. Thanks again. Love your channel
Good for you for playing with your kayaks and finding it’s limits! Sounds like you’re going to end up with a small fleet. Have fun and be safe.
Thanks Dan/Seth. Important content. I hope the key lesson everyone gets from watching is that you really have to go out and do these tests/practice with your own equipment. I have an Oru Bay (closed deck) and I fully know its limitations. I've taught myself a few rolls in it and know how much water it takes on. I've done dozens of cowboy self rescues and have figured out how to empty the cockpit pretty fully before reentry. I've done a few t-rescues with friends. And I always use float bags. I've mainly had it on relatively flat water, but also in some more challenging conditions in SF Bay, like crossings to Treasure Island and Angel Island. The Oru can do a lot, and it can be a great entry kayak for people who have space/transport/weight considerations. The danger I feel is how Oru tends to market things, glossing over how people should truly be prepared and what conditions they should really be in. So I hope people heed what you're saying. And after a year and 35+ outings in my Oru, I graduated to a Seaward Quantum a few weeks ago. There's certainly a difference, but I wouldn't have plunked down for this one if I hadn't fallen in love with the sport via the Oru.
This should be required watching for every new oru owner. Lot of us are inexperienced paddlers. The oru bull heads seem to be for keeping the structure only and do nothing for buoyancy. I’ll be purchasing float bags. I read ina form the oru float bags on there site don’t fit the inlet/lake very well but there are 3rd part options that for better.
Awesome, thank you so much for putting up this video
Hey, you are my Hero Of The Day! Bathing in such a weather is not the most pleasant thing to do...
just bought a sit on top kayak to be able to fish and spend time with my girlfriend on this hobby that is new to us. Watching your videos is super helpful and informative
You are a brave man! It's way too cold for getting in the water. I try my hardest not to go overboard in the first place. But I think no matter what's I will be swimming the boat to shore to drain the boat and get back in. I usually don't go far from shore in case I do go in the lake. I also put a paddle leash on the paddle so I don't lose it. Especially if I am reaching around the back of the boat for a cold water from the cooler. I can let go of the paddle and know it's not going anywhere without me.
It’s good to know your limitations. Even swimming the boat ashore is far easier with flotation. A fully swamped kayak is basically a sea anchor.
The float bag popping out is the best part of this situation because it's the moment it gets real. I have a front float bag and just a sealed bulkhead rear. But I think I might be wise to put a bag in the back anyways just in case the lid fails. A lot of effort went into your video. Thank you
still thawing out. 😂
@Headwaters Kayak Actually been binge watching your videos over the last couple days and because of it, I've fast tracked a lot of learning. I've kayaked a few times in the past and just took the plunge (bad pun I know 🤣) and got a mid level recreational 11ft Boreal Design Riot Edge. I'm very thankful for the no BS approach you take to educating. I will take much of this out there with me as I get some hands on experience this spring. My credit card hates me now, but I have covered the basics without skimping on the important things. I'm now considering whether it's worth buying a wetsuit or not and it's a huge can of worms. It's 1 to 2 hundred vs the 800 to 1200 for a drysuit. Either one will have to wait regardless because my wallet hurts already 🤣👍.
Thanks for this video, it was very well done. I insert the bags nearly empty with the fill valve led out of the end of the boat. Then strap the boat together as tight as I can. Then line up the velcro. I fill the bags with a tiny portable pump and tuck the hose under a strap which keeps the bag with the boat if things go south. Less chance of the bulkhead becoming dislodged, but not 100%.
Thanks for the feedback.
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Thanks - great video! One thing I learned about the floatbags from Oru: Do not fully inflate them, they work with 80-90% inflation - and than will not come loose. AND be sure to secure to secure the bulkheads safe with the velcro.
Thanks so much for keeping it real!
Always!
snowcapped mountains in the background kept it real, dang.......... 🥶
Excellent video and so helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
You got this bro! Crazy 30 degrees
What a champ, I would not even go on water anywhere near that cold, cause stuff happens, doing it on purpose THREE times, lol, wow, I am not sure if people know how hard it is to do that in cold water, bad enough in warm water !
You sir are a trooper
Thank you!
Hey Dan I loved the video as always….Very informative. I was wondering tho on the second run without the floatation if you could use your paddle to raise the yak out of the water to get the water out a little better.
Awesome remount back onto a trapper keeper.
I found your video both interesting and entertaining, even though I have a sit on kayak 👍🏻
Thank you for this video demonstration. I just purchased the Inlet in black. I went ahead and purchased the float bags as an additional precaution. Of course, the best scenario is to never capsize, am I right? Seeing how it handles in this situation was beyond value. I’m not sure I could haul my ass back into the boat. I would likely just kick the boat back to shore. I never paddle too far from shore for that very reason. Amazing VID. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Ffs the commitment in this video. Much respect
I’m still sitting by the fire 4 months later.
Thanks for doing this video. I feel cold just watching this video and it's 105 outside!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very informative.
After watching this video, it should remove any doubt in why you shouldn't buy a folding kayak. Flipping a kayak and getting back in is tough enough, but Dan did it 3 times in frigid water which makes it even tougher.
No it illustrates why you shouldn't use them beyond the envelope of what they're designed for. They're still a reasonable option for those with space constraints looking to do some fair weather, near shore paddling on calm waters.
GREAT video and public service!
As a sea kayaker, I've always added a lot of extra floatation when paddling my Oru Coast, but I see a lot of paddlers in Inlets and Lakes that have none or even wear a pfd
The coast is a far safer kayak from my experience. Flotation is a must in these folding kayaks, or really any kayaks without bulkheads.
Oru’s marketing is putting people at risk. Images of people on their products in jeans on very cold water.
I agree their marketing is disturbing. One of the reasons I wanted to make this video was to have a clear picture of the limitations.
I think flipping over in a kayak is something a lot of begginers underestimate. They might get in one of those sea touring kayaks where you are almost stuck inside them. You could be all alone in the middle of a lake and have it happen for the first time. I bought a wide open pungo just for this reason, terrifies me to think of being underwater with my legs stuck in the boat. Thank you for this video.
I hear where you’re coming from but I don’t believe you’re portraying an accurate picture. Sea kayaks are easy to get out of if they’re the right size for the paddler. I’ve been teaching sea kayak rescues for 15+ years and I’ve never once had a person get stuck in a kayak ever. If anything learning a proper rescue in a sea kayak as easier than and most recreational sit inside. No matter what you paddle it’s important to practice these things so they become second nature. Thanks for watching.
@@HeadwatersKayak please excuse my ignorance! Is it just the white water that you are stuck in?
@@HipOperation99 In both a sea kayak and a whitewater kayak, you decide if you want to stay or swim. You're not strapped into them or anything like that... The spray skirt simply keeps the water from entering the cockpit when upside down, but you use your thighs against the thigh braces to hold your body in the boat if you want to stay. If you want to swim you just relax your legs so they come off the braces and you'll pop out. A quick tug on the spray skirt strap will release it so it's not in the way. I'm still very much a beginner, but I can dump myself from my sea kayak, empty the water, and get back in on my own within 20-30sec or so.
I'd recommend anyone considering paddling any distance from shore for the first time flip their boat near shore on a calm warm day and practice dealing with it beforehand.
That being said, most sit in kayaks are easy to exit inverted, and arguably harder to stay in without holding yourself there However you should practice popping a skirt off if you're gong to use one.
There are a few kayaks that are very deliberately snug fitting making them challenging to enter and exit. Those tend to be Greenland kayaks which are made specifically to be good for rolling. However, just because a kayak is good at rolling doesn't mean you are. That takes skills and practice.
Hi Dan. We enjoy learning from your videos. They are very helpful.
We are curious as to if the ORU float bags were installed with the hose on the outside and covered with the bow and stern fairings?
Cheers.
I'm not sure about the new Eddylines, but mine has flotation. I tested it out the first day out in it, but it does not sink. Granted mines from the early 2000s. Absolutely a great boat manufacturer, have a Skylark and a Sandpiper both early models.
Hi great stuff. I've had an Inlet for 3 years, float bag doesn't work well at the front, no problem at the back.
👍👍👍 !!! Hardshell will always be better.
This video gives me a few insights on remounting methods/options. I was learning to get back into my Itiwit x500 Strenfit high pressure inflatable kayak this summer (on flat sea, in low tide). I was trying to adapt the surfski way of doing it but it wasn't going too well. Still as a beginner, coming here in search of efficiency, leaving with a few new ideas to try next season. Thank you Dan. I highly appreciate all the hard work you put out for us out there 👍
Cheers,
Tom
Thanks Tom.
Brave man
Great video. The Oru isn’t as attractive a proposition as I thought…! I think I’ll stick to looking for a solid construction!
We compare the two styles in our last on water review as well.
One of the main reasons I’m looking at the sea eagle and not the Oru
I only fill the float bag enough to fill the space, not so much that it pushes the bulkhead out.
I would not go out in conditions that would result in hypothermia if I capsized.
When I flipped mine intentionally to attempt a self rescue, I wasn’t able to re enter the vessel; I was able to unlatch the boat so it did not hold water and easily swim it back to shore.
You should do this again with a kayak that has a single bulkhead like the pungo, and compare it with a kayak that has two bulkheads in the front and rear. It would be interesting to see how the self rescue techniques differ.
I do have a video like this from way back in the day. I’ll dig and see if I can find it
Where was this filmed?
Thank you for such an educational material 👍🏻
Whiskeytown Lake in Redding Ca
Thanks for this, Dan! Rather frightening, actually, and reinforcement for not going out alone and dressing for immersion. What do you think would be the challenge in an inflatable like the Aquaglide Chelan (140), which is what I have
Those are a lot easier because you can climb in from the front. also if you flood them you can still paddle them to shore. Much safer in my opinion.
Brrr! Giant (albeit blue, perhaps?) cojones. Thanks for your videos and dedication!
Thanks for the vid, and I learn some useful techniques thanks to you sharing your experience & knowledge. But I have to ask one thing. Whose idea was standing up in the kayak to get water ingress -that was bizarre
Probably mine. We are simply grown up children playing in kayaks.
That sky 10 makes him look like a giant. The legend is,He is half man half yak.
Bro, the drowned rat look is really popular these days. You rock that look! 😜 can I introduce you to the paddle leash? I noticed a few times where one would have served you well. I’ve seen some that attach to your wrist, but I have mine connected to my yak. That way, you can grab either boat or paddle and you’re good. 🤗 more seriously, that looked painful. Dude, you struggled and you’re a pro. Us mere mortals would paddling the crystal seas if we tried that! The Ora’s saving grace it’s light weight. But I don’t think I’d ever take that out. I’ve got an inflatable and that’s portable enough for me. The Oru is cleverly designed but this video is about as good an ad for Intex as I’ve ever seen! Even the eddyline! Much better but that’s a tight fit on you! Sitka or sandpiper would probably been a more comfortable Re-entry. Thank you for doing this. As others have mentioned your dedication is noticed and is appreciated.
I do have a Sitka XT which is what I’d normally do this stuff in, but the Sky 10 was with me that day for another video project. Also paddle
Leashes are fine but I’ve always been trained to avoid them because of entanglement. Especially in any sort of dynamic water.
@@HeadwatersKayak I can see the entanglement issue…I’d be uninclined to go anywhere that wild, personally. I was looking at Eddyline’s lineup. I’m looking for something long but not too long, stable but high performing, low maintenance but lots of features and priced like a lifetime kayak. That’s not too much to ask, is it? 😜 seriously, the equinox seems to be the closest. I have a drop skeg on my boreal. Do you think the drop skeg is worth shifting to the Sitka line?
I hate cold shock.......
That was enlightening, I've only ever used a sit on top.
I kind of presumed a sit in would just fill up and sink, now I know different.
And I'm starting to think that fold up Kayaks need folding up and leaving somewhere out of sight.
About the only thing it's proved to me so far is that there is plenty of scope for improvement.........
Some of our Roos higher end kayaks are much better quality. I tested the Coast and gave it high praise. But float bags are a must.
Nothing like waiting a few months and doing that test in Lodi lake....... or not.....poor Dan, thats dedication.
Haha I had the boat for a limited time. Plus Seth peer pressured me.
@@HeadwatersKayak 100% teamplayer!
Wowzer..... your are crazy man...... heck no I willing get into the cold water for what?.? Thx Dan. Always keep your camera man so he can record your unconscious self. 😮No... your good. Be safe
Do you have a video on cold weather gear? Right now, if its cold, I just don't kayak. Cold weather gear could extend my season.
I've already started to gear up for colder weather camping to extend my camping season as well.
02:59 "That is such a bummer." 😅 Yeah, that boat looked like a bad time, maybe an inflatable would be better for portability, floatation, and safety.
You just got a new subscriber. Have to ask how deep where you, as in did you have your feet on the bottom ?
I’d say 20’ deep or so.
😂 ok thats a pretty cool thumbnail
Which float bags do you think would be best in a pelican mustang 100 kayak
Hey man do you ship boats? I bought my first entry kayak because of your videos. It was a mustang 100. Now I'm ready to upgrade!!!
I do not. Where are you located, maybe I can steer you towards someone
@@HeadwatersKayak new england (Conncticut)
For anyone who didn't notice the "Saraaaahhh i'm sinking" reference, watch "Max falling out of kayak"😂
did you mention the water temp? ive got a 3/2 wet suit because the springs in fl at 72 feel cold to me lol. ive also used it in 52 degree water in the rivers and creeks in north ga. i also use my neoprene socks and gloves in that water if im planning to swim in it
No I’m not sure the water temps. They were relatively warm because the weather has just started turning here in Northern Ca. I’d guess in the 50’s
@@HeadwatersKayak lol that's not warm at all. I got a pool thermometer I keep tied on my kayak handle and it sits down thru my scupper hole
Was concerned about your paddle getting away from you. Would have been a problem in windy conditions. I don’t think I would want to take an Oru on big water.
For sure. In the wind it would be gone!
Thanks you got iron balls 👍😎
Nah just a good dry suit.
Why didn’t you made the test in summer? I gave a thumbs up out of pitty 😅
Because what would be the fun in that? 😂😂😂
@@HeadwatersKayak you are mad dude, kudos for that!
What if you cannot reach the surface, how then lift it up full of water?
I thought the same thing! Maybe the idea is to swim with the boat close to shore and then try? Either that or have more arm strength than the average bear. I certainly don’t!
Where's the gloves??
Nice example of drysuits not doing what they're not supposed to do, keep you warm. They can keep you dry, but water is all to willing to exchange the heat your body is producing for a fresh batch of cold albeit it at a much slower rate than if you didn't have a drysuit. It's hard to find insulating layers that are thick enough to keep the drysuit shell away from your skin while immersed that can also transport sweat away from you. A PFD helps a lot for the torso, but I do tend to wear some form of neoprene shorts under my drysuit.
The racking method is pretty common for skin on frame boats too (even with a float bag). Having your head inside of an inverted cockpit is actually a good calm space out of the elements to take a break before trying to get back in (just not good in cold water).
Gloves are in the gear bag. This was shot at the end of a long day of shooting other videos and temps dropped as the sun went down. It was fine. If I was going out rolling or paddling for the day in these conditions I have gloves pogies and lots of good wool base layers. Not my first rodeo. For rolling in these conditions I have a Brooks Tuilic.
Greenland Rolling in my Sterling Reflection. th-cam.com/video/zzQSxzSYQHM/w-d-xo.html
@@HeadwatersKayak I bought one of the Reeds Chillcheater tulics. Really simplifies layers if you can roll.
I figured you knew your, was just wondering why you were putting up with cold hands.