do you have kids....i bet you don't because 99pct of people who complain about parents are not parents....how do you feel about parents who put their childs report card on the fridge when it's straight a's....are they living thru their kid or is it only thru sports
Exactly, I was selected to be on my Allstar baseball team when I was younger but the other parents didn’t like my dad so they kicked me off the team. It’s sad
@@gilbertgrape1092 it depends if the parents pay off the teacher to pay all their grades and make sure sure get those good grades. Even if the kid would've been fine on their own, the teacher was still paid
If Houston used all stars from other teams you may have a point. These coaches and parents knowingly cheated, cash out and perpetuated negative stereotypes. These kids were great young ball players. Unfortunately they could play together legally.
Judging by their overwhelming past success in the Chicago area, I'm led to believe that the team's president and other staff had recruited outside of their boundary areas for decades. The reason the other coach acted when they did was probably becuase it was common knowledge locally that they could really do nothing about until JRW became big enough for the Little League's Officials to take notice.
I mean it doesn't matter much tho, all the good players play travel ball basically. That's how it was even when I was a kid playing 20+ years ago. The jump from rec to travel ball is big. Way more practice, way more games.
You should watch streamers get caught cheating at Tarkov... its a regular occurance... They say all kinds of stuff, but mostly all the following, in no particular order: "lies, more lies, coping lies, its not my fault, its my situation, but i really wasn't cheating, I don't consider that cheating, I hate you you're an idiot and your opinion doesn't matter, whatever, I know I'm not cheating, I don't care about anyone else what about my winning...." ----- The list goes ON, and ON, and ON.
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@Jo Piscine because your wholesome idea of how the little league works is not how it actually operates. Intent doesn’t result in the outcomes, and when you’re talking about the All-Stars those are the most talented kids out of that league who do not just play in rec leagues they play AAU and their parents spending thousands to set these kids up as if they will all be professional players. Its a dumb rule one because not all little leagues are ran at the same caliber , districts are and can be arbitrary and make not geographical sense, mix this with the parents and some children competitive spirit its not a “wholesome” sport you want to belive it is. That reality being that a bulk of these kids are crwating building blocks to play in college on scholarship or beyond. Teams that make the world series dont just do it as a “hobby”
Exactly!!! That's what in my mind makes the adults even more despicable than the cheating part ,its the fact that there self serving nonsense cost some very talented young men there reputations and robbed them of the fruits of there hard labor absolutely disgraceful and disgusting and in my mind disturbing
The kids KNEW they were cheating they KNEW they should have been playing for another team but wanted to play for a winner....Jackie Robinson West won 34 out of 40 district titles because they were cheating every year(by allowing kids from outside their zone to play for them) until someone finally called them out on it.
@@joshmoats7981 you sure all the kids knew they were cheating? im sure alot of those kids had no clue what boundary they were in and just wanted to play baseball and were told by a parent or someone they need to play for this team. all the sports my brothers and i played. for awhile we didnt know what team was the team for our boundary. i cant blame the kids on it. any kid would have gone to a team to try to be the best. im sure they werent told they were on wrong team. and it was parents and coaches that did all the cheating
"Some players from the team, who were 11, 12 and 13 at the time of their title, are now playing at the college or pro level, the coaches said. One player, Mount Carmel High School shortstop Ed Howard, was drafted 16th overall by the Cubs in the 2020 amateur draft. Another, Pierce Jones, is a prospect for the San Diego Padres. “They’re all are chasing their dreams,” Houston said." -Chicago Tribune
Having coached Little League teams I can say first hand that cheating does go on by some coaches who want to win at any cost. I can also say first hand that some parents should not be allowed anywhere near a Little League game. By far the biggest problem Little League coaches have to deal with is abuse from parents. Sad.
I remember when a coach wanted to win a tournament championship game that he told the weakest to play sick so they wouldn't play them in the championship game. They won the championship but we the told the coach we knew what he did. We told our kids that don't worry that if he had to cheat to win then let him have it. It was a tournament game but our boys were regular season champs and we knew we were still #1.
Yea, I've coached soccer in both the us and the Netherlands. The parents always complained either about my voice (I can get pretty passionate, i love the game and push the players to do their best) or my substations (playing time for each kid). In both instances I dramatically improved results for both teams, as they had previously been led by parents of the kids. One of the teams had literally lost all 24 games the previous year. I tried explaining that its a sport and that each kid would have to earn their place in the team, I always stated this when I first joined the team and when the first game would come and through out the season. I explained my tactics and the rules around substitutions. I would say 100% of the kids would first be skeptical but after a couple of training sessions and games 80% of them would normally listen carefully as they saw the results in themselves and the team. There would always be 1-3 players that would not put in the work. By their own choice, and those were the parents that complained. Kids are young and parents are really attached to their kids (especially cause a lot of parents have less kids these days, therefore more time to observe and interfere with their kids development). But if you look at history, kids even 50 years ago had much more responsibility and expectations placed on them. I don't think treating kids like kids does them any good. I treat them like young adults who should learn and encourage them to make mistakes (ex. I'd rather have my striker shot 10 times and miss then wait for a "perfect" moment). My goal is to create an environment where they strive for success and have room to fail, and I always tell them "you can only fail if you don't learn". Parents have trouble with this, as they think their kid deserves more. Especially with this "equality" narrative in todays society where they think every kid deserves the same. But that isn't life and I will no matter what the parents say, cave into their ideas. Life is tuff and they need to learn that they need to put in work to get results and that even after all that work things don't go your way. I have been fired from one of my jobs for refusing to cave to a parents demands. I told them and will always tell them, that when I'm coach, its my rules and not theirs and that I would rather be fired then start shifting things for one child, simply because a parent is uncomfortable with the way I operate the team. Their response normally goes along the lines that they are there to "just have fun". I explain to them that trying is fun, effort is fun, winning is fun. Showing up is just the beginning. Let me tell you, a lot of the parents don't fundamentally understand kids, they are way to attached. I'm young and don't have kids, so i can't say i fully understand their perspective. But I did have a father and a mother who showed me reality, and would put me in situations that weren't always comfortable. Looking back I thank them for that. I would rather have the kids be proud of their work looking back and maybe hating me than being a "fun" coach. In my experience, fun coach's are fun in the moment, but the coach's that pushed me I respect, and I respect them till this day.
Yes, I have always blame these "parent(s)" for their constant mistakes, selfishness, greed, and scamming the system by using their race, gender, entitlements, and of course these innocents who never asked to be here or any of this. And on the flip side of all of this the system, corporations, organizations, and the media are all contributors in using this culture for their financial gains.
I played Jackie Robinson growing up. They have always used older players on there teams and everyone could tell. Cheated our team out of a lot of district wins
If they had that would have been an execution shot of major league baseball. It would have truly have ceased to exist. You cant strip titles in pro sports and have the league survive. Think about it, it would have been a bit like how competitive cycling isn't really a thing since they disqualified their most popular rider ever in Lance Armstrong. People didn't actually care that Lance used drugs that helped him heal and produce red blood cells. Why? Because so did the guy who finished second, tenth and every other biker in the tour, if you wanted to find the guy who didnt take the drugs he was watching the race with us. Then one day the cycling rules crew came down from on high, disqualified those years races, but knew they couldnt declare the guy who finished second the winner because he was equally dirty! This killed their sport. Nobody cares who the winner of the Tour de France is anymore. The same would have happened to the MLB if they had stripped a title from a team for hitting a trash can to give a signal to their batters. You can say at least one good thing about what the Astros were doing, they were still at least trying to win. The only time you should have some achievement stripped from a player or team is when they when they try to fix the outcome of the game, because at the core of sports is the assertion that both teams are doing all they can to win, including cheating and creatively interpreting the rules. The Astros deserved to be punished. MLB can take draft picks, money, salary cap space, fire managers, all that shit, but the result of the world series stands, because it has to in order for professional baseball to survive.
When I played Senior League, I witnessed parental interference in full force. Two boys who spent their summers with their father, who lived in our city, wanted to play ball and, as no one knew how well the boys played, no one wanted them, so they were placed on our team, which had finished last the previous two years. Well, they proved to be stud pitchers, and the team united behind them and started to win, win, win. This really riled up the coaches of the other teams, all fathers of players, so they eventually tried to ban them from playing because they were not residents. (This was in the 70s when divorced parents were not the norm). Somehow they dodged this bullet and they were allowed to pitch in the playoffs and we made our way to the championship game, but another protest was filed against our team during this time for a player "playing out of uniform." Seems one of our two star pitchers wore a different baseball cap than the teams and, unbelievably, this protest stood up and we forfeited that game, allowing that coach's team to play in the championship. It was disgusting and I refused to play organized baseball ever again.
White Suburbanites do this ALL THE TIME and NOBODY says Anything. But when POOR BLACK kids beat the crap out of them all of a sudden the "White Suburbanite Playbook" no longer applies. CLEARLY this is about RACISM. I am NOT a blue haired city dweller who calls everyone a nazi but when I see B.S. I have to call it. This is BULL S !!!
Well if there was a rule that led to a forfeit potentially why would the coach allow him to be out of uniform like that? Or was it just an obscure unknown rule
Coach: "This is punishment for the kids." Everyone: "You're right. The teams out there that could've won with eligible players were definitely punished."
I knew it was going to be about eligibility before I clicked play. I coached little league years ago and it was a very serious problem then, to the point of faked birth certificates.
Anyone who didn't realize they were obviously cheating from the very first time they showed up on TV is genuinely too naive to be treated as a serious person. Their coach is literally visibly illiterate.
What bothers me the most about issues like this, and as a Canadian, I've seen it happen in minor hockey, is that the kids who legitimately reside within the boundaries get left out because of the ringers who are brought in. As a parent, that would really piss me off if it was my kid. The parents who knew their kid wasn't eligible to play for the JR team should be ashamed of themselves.
In the mid to late 80's my oldest son played Little League. His coach wanted to use his younger brother birth certificate in order to enter a tournament. I said no.
I agree, I'm 60 now and I've Coached Little League since I was in my early 20's whenever we played a team that we knew from the 1st inning that it would be an easy blowout, i told the kids and coaches after about 10 or more run 1st inning, to let up on stealing and other things, we did not stop completely because every game is important, more so than a practice, so holding back everything would not be good in future games, we needed the practice, but you can slowdown and hold back to a point, after a 20-1 lead, the Coach could easily have attempted to do so. But also from over 35 years of Coaching and being in charge of Umpires and running local leagues and being involved with other districts, many Cheat in some form or another, not only Coaches, but district and State leaders of Little League, it's just like Politics. So most leagues if they can, someone will cheat, or bend or break rules to get better players and get rid of their bad ones. So I agree that Little League used the team to make money and get more publicity, and I think they knew from the beginning about the cheating that's why they kept saying case closed hoping the Coach that started it all would just go away. But I also agree with him, you get tired of the cheating, and it's possible yes he himself had cheated in the past to a smaller degree, but he just got out cheated that year and he had enough of it, LOL!. This Video correctly covers all the bases and even though they don't say so 100%, they this or that is possible, they don't realize it's probably near 100% right, everyone lied, cheated and took advantage.
I actually live in the same area as Mountain Ridge LL, the NV team that the championship was relinquished to. Actually was one of our rival LL’s when I was growing up playing, and it’s crazy to me every time I pass those fields with the banner, I can’t help to think about the Jackie Robinson team. What a story. Melancholy storyline for sure.
@Jericho Bravecat did you watch the video? the team re-drew boundaries, i can't tell you how many little league teams do that. It's actually very common. Second, these kids are studs at baseball. You can't take away the fact these guys have natural talent and should go far. Your comment made zero sense.
@@markbuckles6609 Jesse Jackson ran for president on an anti-sectarian, pro-working class agenda in 1988. Aka the rainbow coalition: "an extremely diverse coalition of working class people."
One of my most vivid memories of little league baseball, now over 20 years ago, was standing next to the opposing team at the state tournament as we watched the parents of other players fight in the stand. None of the kids cared. I'm from further south of Chicago and played all black teams while we were all white. The only people who made that an issue were the parents. The kids from both teams literally stood next to each other talking and joking while grown men in the crowd hurled abuse at each other.
@Brandon Harting EXACTLY!! End of story. They know exactly what they were doing. Coaches and kids. They Cherry picked the best kids and tried to form a super Little league team LOL
I know how this works. I was a coach in our local Little League. The boundary issue is in place for a reason. It prevents teams from drawing All Star players from outside their boundaries. That’s why it’s so difficult to field a team that can go deep into sectionals and nationals. This was pure fraud. The players knew. A player and parents who live outside the boundaries knew what was happening. None of these players or parents would have ever played with or against each other, except during non-little league travel fall/winter ball. This was in essence a dream team that pulled players from every corner of Chicago land, of which all but 5 players were from within the boundaries. The “adults” that defended this action also knew what was happening. Believe me, as a parent of a player, you know who all the studs are in your county when you are involved in off season travel ball.
Your right...and not 1 person spoke up.....out of what.... 50 people who knew....now those kids are 18 and 19 and in the middled of all those killings daily in chicago...black adults taught the kuds nothing
Winning is about everything. In the 1970s, Taiwan is the perennial Little League Champion. They have some players who don't really act like 12 year old. They are more like 16 year old. So countries do cheat by fielding a team that is formidable. Here in the US, winning is everything as well. Did you know US have a 50% chance of winning the Little League champion every year while other countries have to battle each other for the remaining 50% chance to play US for the crown.
My nephew was the coach of the Las Vegas team, and he never got angry about this whole thing. He has completely forgiven, all those who are involved and moved on with his life.
not really Jackie Robinson West has done what every national winner has done for the past 15 years lol but since they are black they actually did an investigation this time
@@jonaroll2348 sounds like a lot of people were trying to take credit of people from their neighborhood. I don’t think it’s about them being black. I think it’s about sore losers being Karen’s. Honestly it’s just stupid to take any accomplishments away from these kids. It’s disgusting how one person’s feelings can destroy so many lives.
Long story short, they were not really cheating, the parents and coaches were, because apparently that team was like a travel ball team which collected the best kids from different places, but disguised themselves as a regular team. The kids didn't do anything wrong, its just the parents and coaches were secretely hiding it.
Bull hockey..those kids and thier parents knew they were cheating..these are top tier players that have been playing since they were t ball age ...them and the parents knew something was up when they drove thier kids a hour and more away for practice when the kids you played with growing up and that live a block down are playing 10 minutes away at thier local park..
@@turtle5709 So all these players were on the same team in the regular season? Or were they on different teams in the same league before the all stars?
I like how the parents and officials swing this as an attack on the kids. Nope, it was your fault and the kids suffered the consequences. They knowingly broke the rules and then claimed the ruling was racist. Their imaginary get out of jail card.
Listen, racism is very real. Just because you've never experienced it doesn't mean its not a possibility. The parents are suggesting its racially motivated because the guy who pushed for the investigation probably didn't care to investigate any other team. To me this seems like the byproduct of jealousy. You have a talented team that wins consistently and a losing team (coach) that can't accept that fact. What would inspire that man to investigate a little league team? Children! Jealousy. He looked for any possible infraction to get those boys in trouble and successfully stumbled across the distance of their homes being outside the little leagues boundaries. Sure, he might be correct but what inspired him to do ALL THAT? Racism......or jealousy. I've been on teams where we've defeated district rivals year after year and they accused us of cheating for no other reason than the fact that we dominated year after year. People that don't want to see you win always think you're cheating! LOL
@@bcreech17 correct, but why did they only investigate that one particular team? That's part of the issue that was pointed out in the video. Why didn't the league investigate ALL the little league children, perhaps then they'd notice the same pattern among the other teams - an unspoken bending of rules. If everyone's cheating but one group gets caught cheating does that mean the others weren't cheating?? Maybe you should consider that, Brian.
@@princessindigo They investigated them because they were tipped off. That’s how investigations work. If they investigated everybody it wouldn’t be an investigation it would just be part of the process. You raise the possibility of other teams cheating without any evidence or claims to suggest that was true. So what, we should let them cheat because, other teams might be cheating too?
I feel bad for those 5 kids who really were eligible. They probably didn't even know that their team had done anything wrong, but now everybody just thinks of them as cheaters.
@@YankeeNationalist bro do you remember these kids are 11? I guarantee you their parents never said anything to them about cheating so it wouldn’t get in their heads. Use some common sense
CORRECTION: at 10:33 I say that a player was claimed by Lansing MICHIGAN.... I misspoke and meant to say Lansing ILLINOIS.... still out of district but very different from Lansing Michigan which is in a completely different state.
Also at 10.49 you said teacher from Buckwood IL taught one of the players, I was in the same class as him it was a neighborhood in Chicago called Bucktown
I don't doubt this happens all the time, everywhere. Do you think the Korean team wasn't the equivalent of a national all star team? Sucks for these kids.
@Micah Alofaituli everything in America is based on race, how many other little league cheated with white kids but there no story about that, wake up bro
@@chrismckenzie9864 please stop with the race pandering... as a black woman I'm sick of this victim mentality! Get up and work and help your neighborhood
Having played in one of the tournaments in NY I can tell you that as we kept winning, the players on the opposing teams suddenly started looking older and bigger. LOTS of cheating goes on by ADULTS who want to win at any cost. They ruin the game for kids who just want to play because it's fun. We came to find out later that one of the teams we routed 13-2 was actually Babe Ruth League team of 15 year olds. We were 12 year olds. We got really disgusted with the system and we went to our coach to pull us out of the tournament because the adults surrounding it were AWFUL PEOPLE and since were inner city kids, the suburban kids and parents treated us horribly because we were winning so much and I guess one or two of us were too brash and flashy for them. BUT to pull the race card when you know you did something wrong is just as disgusting to me. It's a shame but cheating happens a LOT in Little League.
@@pianosbloxworld4460 It's the world championship for the national sport of the United States doesn't matter if it's for kids. When the World Junior's for hockey is on we all watch it in Canada because we get to see the NHL stars of tomorrow.
At 12 years old, I don't think you and your teammates were pulling out of a tournament because of adults. A 12 year old just wants to play ball and typically don't worry about the bigger picture.
@@donforeman9051 That's why they wanted to pull out though? The *adults* were *ruining* the simple fun of throwing a ball and running around with friends; Without that, why play? Kids are as easily affected as their thoughts are simple and straight; A punishment can make a kid think their parent hates them, even if it's as simple as a scolding-you expect toxic adults to not have an affect on 12 year Olds? I pray you never have kids
Turns out their lawsuit was settled in April '21 after admitting their players were ineligible. Tho the coaches continue to try and shift blame, while saying its not their fault the players weren't from their district, that it was little leagues fault for not monitoring the league well enough. Crazy stuff, you would think people would just move on already.
There will always be a few people who never move on, that said, the reason most people haven't moved on is because the race card was played the entire time, and race is something people won't forget about so long as we keep thinking people are different. From the start, it was "all black team playing great baseball" which turned into publicity and then later, "we would be able to get away with cheating if other people weren't racist." Dangerous dialogue so until it's settled, the public will still care about the outcome because it's bigger than little league baseball
Shame on the parents and coaches that lied to benefit themselves at the pain the children have had to endure. Just shame. Nothing wrong with the kids. Everything wrong with the parents and coaches who knew they were cheating.
I wouldn’t say trips to the White House, Disneyland, and everything paid for is free as pain. I feel bad for the kids in the surrounding districts, state, and large district because they got cheated out of a chance to play in the World Series.
@William Cotton Where are you getting this info that it was only 2 kids? Every resource I'm seeing is over half the team didn't qualify. Or is it not fair cause "muhh wacism"
@@robertboyd4135 Amen Robert I spent my life coaching kids in many of the major sports and as a kid myself, it's highly competitive, hell in basket ball and Football fids are farmed out of state. Nothing will stop it it is big money boosters adopting kids because the play well, you just have to live with it and enjoy that level of play.
I actually go to school with Tré Honduras. He was committed to Michigan, but he lost his senior year last year due to Covid, and is now in a Junior College. He’s a stud tho, got a lot of power and a great swing.
They knew they were cheating, their parents knew, their coaches knew. Corruption is just the way of life here in Chicago. Plus they had the 'das rayciss' shield.
It started with the coaches. My son played travel ball from the age of 10 to 16. He was a pitcher who averaged 82 mph fast ball at the age of 15. We had so many offers outside our district and I turned them all down because it's cheating. In the south we played by MLB rules so it's A, AA, AAA then Majors. We have gone to 3 world series and we knew of 4 teams that had cheated like Jackie Robinson. My son to this day has said dad we did it the right way. Now he plays ball for Mississippi State on a baseball scholarship. You get more in life by not cheating.
The white Catholic priest claims racism. Do you mean the white supremacist leaders would have larger corruption in their sites than a little league black team.
always the right way! my son cheats to win at everything, he is 7. we had a long talk about losing and trying than winning and cheating cause its not earned. you may get the minute of happiness, but you know you cheated. lose and learn from it! get better, earn that W!
They said this because a lot of affluent white teams do this with no punishment. And these teams will fly kids in from other states, not just the city next door.
@@emjayeeSee, you gave facts but they don't care. See how they never responded to you? They only care about this because...well I'm pretty sure you know.
This was much of a bigger scandal since the Danny Almonte case, a pitcher who was known for his fastballs and a no-hitter, when it was revealed that he was two years too old to compete.
Im a lifelong Stros fan but this made me laugh! Stros are currently the best team in the biz and have been for years now. Even after being punished and all other teams that did the same thing, or similar things, got a pass, they are still the team to beat.
@Isaiah Byrd It does. When the "man" was eating good he had backing from several rappers, politicians and even the president, but when the "man" lost his plate and began starving they had no interest in it because it wouldn't do good for them.
Seriously, that was BS. A measly $90 the LL made a good little chunk of money from wheaties to shirt sales. It's not unlike collegiate athletes where the kids do the work get fans spending and the institution collects all the $
I think it’s funny to think that every team comes from one small area. Gtfoh they hate that baseball isn’t “theirs”. Ed was taken in the first round out of high school...
Why question the whistle blowers credibility before or after they had already been proven to have ineligible players? He made an accusation that was proven with evidence he had nothing to do with. That is some really petty stuff and playing the race card after all of it is just flat out disgusting. The adults cheated and ruined it for everyone. Meanwhile the players are the only ones showing any maturity.
Because they never like to take responsibility, even when caught. They literally got caught and their excuse is, "But you should have caught me earlier". They can't even respect children's baseball, can you really expect them to be able to behave any other time?
Sad but they cheated. My kids play school sports too and what they did was create an all star team. The kids did nothing wrong, the adults exploited them.... BUT, they should lose their their championship. Calling out cheating isn’t racist.
@@toErehWon the coaches, who scouted outside the boundaries. The parents, who knew their kids weren't eligible. The guy who put through the new fake boundaries....
@Pike Man Yep. Lose your mind and hit a QB with a helmet.... “How do I get out of this one?.... He called me the N word”. As long as you don’t Jussie Smollet yourself it works every time.
@@leisuresuitlarry4990 As a black person myself, I don't believe it was racist... BUT, I do believe it was pretty fishy the way Little League handled the whole situation... They weren't investigating anything the whole year, the team was cleared of wrong doing, then all of a sudden the investigation starts again after they visited the white house? Those kids played alot of games and won a District Championship, then a State Championship, then a National Championship and went on to the world series... I'm not saying what the team did was right, they were wrong, but this was mishandled, why let them play all season and wait until they win to cut them down right after... They could've ended it before it started but instead they humiliated those kids and it wasn't even their fault... Honestly if they wouldn't have won the Natty, no one would have every heard about this scandle.
my only problem with this, and I do agree they cheated and should be stripped of their title, is that there's a lot of other (whiter) little leagues that do this. When I was a kid, I played on a state tournament LL team that was outside my district. Didn't know it was against the rules at the time, just thought it was an opportunity to play for a better team a couple towns over. So while, yes, JRW definitely cheated, I'm curious if LL has done anything widespread to address the issue of these super teams, because it seemed like it was was stupidly easy for JRW to do. I wonder how many other leagues that reach that stage do too
These adults knew exactly what they were doing was wrong and deliberately went against the rules. Recruiting the best kids, with most not in their district, to blow away the competition is flat out cheating and sets an extremely bad example for the children. I hope Janes wins his lawsuit!
@Michael Owens If you want to go through the rest of your day believing I wouldn’t talk shit to your face, be my guest. Enjoy living that life, kid. Fact is, you’re not very smart or keyboard savvy. You typed fast cause your emotions were all riled up. It’s what kids your age do. Accept it.
@@gordonramsdale they were recruiting players from outside their district.... get yourself a map, Bucktown is nowhere close to Englewood. Lansing isn’t even in the CITY of Chicago. And you can bet your A$$ the $$$$ raked in from their run WASN’T spent on helping the very kids that brought them there. But like most “amateur” sports, it’s the athletes themselves that get taken advantage of, used, then discarded. I don’t fault the kids, it’s the slimey “adults” that I get mad at.
@@gordonramsdale Englewood is a south side neighborhood in Chicago. Bucktown is a near north side neighborhood, they are separated by about 15-20 miles. And Lansing is a city outside Chicago. They raised Millions during their run, but funnily enough, no one knows where that money went. It certainly didn’t go towards the Southside Little League. It certainly didn’t go to the kids or their families (the Reader did a follow up in 2019 I believe, and the few players they were able to track down all said they didn’t receive jack). The kids were used, and then THEY were called cheats, not the Adults that did the actual cheating, and not the race baiters that tried to mitigate the cheating, guy’s like Jesse Jackson (who’s just a con man grifter) or Father Phlager (another con man masquerading as a Priest, but that’s to be expected as the entire Catholic Church is pretty much a fraud), or the coach Darold Butler
Only 5 of the 13 players actually lived in their district?? Wow. And the parents sit there in the stands, cheer loudly and act like nothing is wrong. I live in a city that has one of the best football programs in the State of TX. We do have players whose families move here so their kid can play in our program. But that is the key. They do actually move here
When I was 10 my team made it to the regional tournament. Whoever hosts the regionals automatically gets in regardless of how they did in district and states. The team that we were playing was from our state and they were very good, but we had already beat them in the state tournament to move on. Because they hosted regionals they were there. They ended up beating us in the regional finals to go to the World Series in Illinois that me and all my teammates and families (east coast) were incredibly excited for and hoping to get to experience. Their team was notorious (fans/parents/coaches and players) for being awful sports. There was a semi-controversial home run that they hit that they shouldn’t have hit because there was a time out called and they basically accused us of cheating for trying to suggest that those runs shouldn’t have counted (they shouldn’t have but oh well)… Long winded so I’ll wrap it up here. Only 4 of their players were actually from the district and the rest were from the surrounding area (essentially one of those things where there’s a south/north/east/west Bsville and they took a team out of all of those but played as “south bsville.” They had their tournament win voided, but this all happened months after. So they didn’t even deserve to be in the regionals because we beat them, because they hosted they were there and ended up winning and laughed in our faces, and they cheated the whole fuckin time. We legally fielded a team out of 17,000 residents, they fielded theirs with a population of over 100,000 (south bsville population alone is 47,000) …. Still bitter almost 20 years later 😂. We made it to the babe Ruth World Series as 13 year olds though and what an incredible time it was. Felt even better after we knew the chance was stolen in the past. Miss those days like crazy
Oh shit so they have the money to actually just fucking move their homes so their kids can make a "legitimate" all star team, got it, very respectable distinction not at all a load of horse shit sounds fair and equal as fuck.
If we're going to defend this blatant act of cheating by being a "defender of children" and quoting "the kids did nothing wrong", then consider this...some kid who legitimately lived in the correct district lost his chance to be on an all star team because some kid from across town took that spot.
I need explanation please because I really don't understand what makes someone playing for a team in another district cheating as I follow esports and your teammates can literally live across the world in another country now I know that's only possible in online things but why can't they live separately and not play with each other it just doesn't make sense
Little league and all the coaches know this is going on and it probably still is. In a way, they encouraged it, when Jackie Robinson shows up with an all-black team and pushed for a re-mapping of where they can pull players from-Common sense says do due diligence on all those kids or change the map. But neither happened, I take it that this is one of those things little league looks the other way on and everyone knew it. But the team won and now haters who actually do the same thing call foul play? Nonsense! In fact, @ 14:15 one of the Jackie Robinson parents claimed the whistleblower's team tried to illegally recruit their child. I bet of Little league had the guts to look into all their teams that year then the whole season would have to be scrapped. This is not about the cheating but who got scapegoated.
I hate that this happened to these kids. They clearly have A LOT of talent. Hopefully this experience didn’t ruin the game for them. I hope they are all successful.
All the theatrical plays we think of as "games" aren't genuine anyway. Everything in this world is a huge lie we all enforce at some point or another. From politics to religion to movies and sports. All lies none are entirely truthful.
Growing up in Miami we were stopped by a team from Hialeah. A team of Cubans that didn't have their birth certificates yet. 1/2 the team had full mustaches.
My son's football team played a wonderful team like this. It was for seven and eight year olds but their team loaded up with kids as old as thirteen. Their thirteen year old broke our quarterback's arm and it created such a stink that they were investigated. They eventually forfeited all of their games and were barred, but the kid's arm was still broken.
Pretty sure there could have been a hefty lawsuit. Negligence and fraud resulting in grievous bodily harm. Sue the coaches, the kid's parents, the school, the league. Medical bills, lawyer fees, possible lingering damage.
I doubt a 13 year old was playing with 7-8 year olds lol. Do you understand the difference between a second grader and a boy who has hit puberty and is turning into a man. I’m going to guess the kid might have been 2 years older if that.
I'm not mad at the kids, but increasing the talent pool by recruiting from a larger area is basically the most effective form of cheating. I played soccer in elementary school for warwick pa, and after sucking for a few years we got pretty good and actually had an undefeated season. We played the travelling team next year in a scrimmage and lost easily.
Are you joking? Your comparing elementary soccer to the little league world series. The biggest stage for kids playing baseball compared to elementary soccer. These two aren't even comparable. No one cares about your little elementary school soccer. This is the smallest stage for soccer compared to the best stage of little league baseball. What an idiot
@@sethwiley7839 I really hope you aren't replying to me, because not only are you unnecessarily insulting, you seem to have completely missed my point. Seems like you got upset at the mention of soccer and just went ballistic without even trying understand what I was saying, which wasn't complicated. I was just saying that pulling from a larger talent pool makes a huge difference, and is absolutely cheating whether the kids know about it or not. If you disagree and chose to express that with your rude comment, whatever. If you agree, then you just made an enemy for no reason. Either way, congrats on being a total jerk.
From what it sounds like you were a house leaguer and your coach decided to put you guys against a club team that plays in a competitive league. How is that cheating 😂 that’s just bad matchmaking
Back in my day playing towards the LLWS, coaches would just sneak a 6'4", full mustached, wife and kids in the car, 225lb, 18yr old monster, to pitch 85mph bombs at us as 12yr olds from 45 feet away... black and white photo copies of birth certificates were barely legible anyways as proof. The good ol'days.
@@rdeez5974 much respect to their skill. I thought age would be the reason they were blowing away the competition. But, I wonder how good that South Korea team was.
No wonder a team packed with ringers from all over the region beat teams made up of local kids in the same neighborhoods. The politicians involved are the worst offenders in this scandal IMO.
Well on the brighter side (for the kids at least) one of the players on that Jackie Robinson West team is now an MLB First Round Pick for the Cubs. (Ed Howard, SS 2020)
Yes! That's what I'm saying, And I said to myself "it better not be some crap like some kids lived in a different district or something" IMO, This is a stupid reason , I've played baseball and football growing up and scouts were known for going to other cities or counties to recruit, Kids same age, no drugs, no using tech to spy on other teams, or sabotage another team? Fare and Square to me
@@rCali-zm2es ???? By swiping players from other districts you ARE sabotaging other teams. That’s how they dominated their local, stealing players from other districts. Get yourself a map. Bucktown is nowhere near Englewood. It’s near north side. And Lansing is a different city, not even part of Chicago. Cheating is cheating. Excusing it because it doesn’t rise to the level of the Danny Alimonti situation, or the Nagasaki steroid/growth hormone scandal is preposterous.
It’s alright but he’s kinda terrible at digging deep into his research. For example calling this the biggest cheating scandal in LLWS history yet forgets to talk about the time a 14yr old lied about his age to compete! Danny Almonte, his cheating scandal was easily the worst in history. These kids from Chicago were of legal age and played their hearts out. It’s all on the coaches and leadership for rigging their zoning lines.
So then, what does race have to do with it? Cheaters come in all colors. I still think the Dominican Team with overage players was worse. Cheating is all bad.
Every great little league team has cheated in some way believe it or not. They only paid more attention to them because someone didn’t like an all black team winning getting all that fame. Look up all the other teams and investigate where they recruited from and I bet it will be the same situation they are not all from the same areas ever when you put together power house baseball/basketball/football teams in little leagues. Parents cheat always and forever will and the kids have no control over that. They can’t even drive them self to practice so they playing for whatever team they parent drive them to tbh 😂
There was a player who used is cousin's id to get into America, his cousin was 2 years younger. Not sure if that's the same kid you're talking about because I thought the difference was claiming ot be 12 when he was actually 14.
@@chrissyb7916 yep.. That's the kid I'm talking about. He was Dominican. Danny Almonte. But it wasnt his fault. His guardians falsified his birth certificate to show him being 12 when he was actually 14. The kid didnt even speak english at the time and had no idea he was breaking the rules.. Its really a very sad story actually
@Judy Greer i dont know how i remember cuz i was 14 and was doing drugs by then.. It's just one of those random names & situations that I'll never forget.
I like when someone says something like "Well you need to investigate EVERY team in the league then." like it's some sort of gotcha. I mean yeah, let's do that, let's make sure no one else is cheating.
@@markwright1981 "Deflection" is a safe and happy place for cheaters. Surprised the team that came in second, to last place, wasn't accused of cheating by the tards! They didn't come in last place so guess that must mean they were all on steroids ☺️👍🏻
It is not a deflection but this team just proved people wrong about Chicago black youth. Show me the documents of the other teams that they did not cheat as well. I know here in North Carolina when black churches
Kids knew they were cheating too. I played Little League and was selected for Traveling AllStars which was big for a kid so they 100% knew diffence between 2 teams
@@Christobanistan They also knew that other leagues were not informed of this. This was just too crooked, and pathetic. A cheat is a cheat, is a cheat.
It's not reasonable to believe the parents and even the players didn't know of the violations. Race has nithing to do with the ultimate ruling. Cheating is cheating.
You’ve gotta think: these kids just wanted to play, and the parents wanted their kids to, too. No matter what, though, this group of kids is still the best, even if 8 of them aren’t eligible.
Claiming racism is the catch all excuse. Burn down a Wendy's. I did it because I'm racially oppressed. Charges dropped off you go. There's no accountability its always white racists fault. The term has lost almost all meaning now its so comically overused.
Also we not gonna talk about even though they where striped they met Obama and went on the world series feild like they still don’t care they here still hype
@@lukewillyhams2634 of course, it's an all black team. We are not only supposed to ALLOW them to cheat if they want to, we are also supposed to just hand them whatever they want ( in this case, the championship ), applaud them, shower them in rewards and give them celebrity status 🤣
@@timeisahumanconstruct9251 yea it does but it is weird he chose to go after the all black team after they won the national. i believe initially he didn’t like them but he found stuff to back him up
That’s like saying It’s crazy how it takes more than an hour to get to the climax of a movie. Creator did a very good job of setting the stage and giving us background. You could have just read a news report if you didn’t want to listen to the whole story.
@@jimlahey8210 📛🥴 What do you expect from Chicago? It's a city with SO MUCH corruption and death, but controlled by a completely unaccountable political party(democrats), who set the standards of "race grifting", by scapegoating EVERYTHING on "racism"!? 👹😈👺
#1 thing that ruins kids sports: The Parents and always will be.
I play in Chicago and I faced a team with the most obnoxious parents I've ever seen.
Facts. Such facts. Parents tske it way to seriously
do you have kids....i bet you don't because 99pct of people who complain about parents are not parents....how do you feel about parents who put their childs report card on the fridge when it's straight a's....are they living thru their kid or is it only thru sports
Exactly, I was selected to be on my Allstar baseball team when I was younger but the other parents didn’t like my dad so they kicked me off the team. It’s sad
@@gilbertgrape1092 it depends if the parents pay off the teacher to pay all their grades and make sure sure get those good grades. Even if the kid would've been fine on their own, the teacher was still paid
when little league is more serious about cheating than the MLB
Hard to punish a team when they didn't break any rules
If Houston used all stars from other teams you may have a point.
These coaches and parents knowingly cheated, cash out and perpetuated negative stereotypes. These kids were great young ball players. Unfortunately they could play together legally.
@@RazorRynoPhoto The problem I have is the kids didn't do anything wrong it was the adults
@@nickb2912 still cheated
@@betterbaseball8990 Not the kids problem it was the adults problem
Judging by their overwhelming past success in the Chicago area, I'm led to believe that the team's president and other staff had recruited outside of their boundary areas for decades. The reason the other coach acted when they did was probably becuase it was common knowledge locally that they could really do nothing about until JRW became big enough for the Little League's Officials to take notice.
Yes that team had been cheating with older players forever
This happened in Chicago.😮what a surprise.😊
Agree.....
@@Ralphbo-u6lChicago is truly a cursed land.
I mean it doesn't matter much tho, all the good players play travel ball basically. That's how it was even when I was a kid playing 20+ years ago. The jump from rec to travel ball is big. Way more practice, way more games.
Reactions of adults to yell and act offended when caught cheating is astonishing
You should watch streamers get caught cheating at Tarkov... its a regular occurance... They say all kinds of stuff, but mostly all the following, in no particular order:
"lies, more lies, coping lies, its not my fault, its my situation, but i really wasn't cheating, I don't consider that cheating, I hate you you're an idiot and your opinion doesn't matter, whatever, I know I'm not cheating, I don't care about anyone else what about my winning...." ----- The list goes ON, and ON, and ON.
Blacks
@@isolinear9836 hello?
@@eshoosca YT Jews and their system auto-delete comments. So be aware that any in-depth comments regarding these subjects, especially truthful ones about the nature of these subjects are IMMEDIATELY deleted. Their lies can't withstand exposure, so they delete and ban the Truth.
Democrats
Now the only question is just how good were those Korean kids?
I bet the Korean team consist of best player from the entire country.
@@MrS5x it does and it is like that with other countries too
which is why the Japanese Team won so much years ago .
That Korean team was probably on steroids
@@keianroth2669 I don't think Jose Canseco has ever been to Korea.
"That kid pitching...he's not 12...he's 35!" "How do you know?" "His wife and 3 kids are sitting behind the dugout!"
🤣
No no it’s ok, he identifies as a 12 year old boy.
Lmao I remember
That shit ain't funny
@@josephreese5575 you're right his baby momma and 6 kids and her new boyfriend are behind the dugout. Now it's funny.
The headline should be “How Adults Ruin Kids Fun”
No
@@mercier505 ye
@@mercier505 Yes. You're in denial.
More like little leagues rules are stupid. There a reason Little league is slowly dying and AAU dominates the landscape
@Jo Piscine because your wholesome idea of how the little league works is not how it actually operates. Intent doesn’t result in the outcomes, and when you’re talking about the All-Stars those are the most talented kids out of that league who do not just play in rec leagues they play AAU and their parents spending thousands to set these kids up as if they will all be professional players. Its a dumb rule one because not all little leagues are ran at the same caliber , districts are and can be arbitrary and make not geographical sense, mix this with the parents and some children competitive spirit its not a “wholesome” sport you want to belive it is. That reality being that a bulk of these kids are crwating building blocks to play in college on scholarship or beyond. Teams that make the world series dont just do it as a “hobby”
of course Jesse Jackson dragged his ass into this.
Man loves that race card.
Typical ambulance chasing, race-grifting behavior.
He’s the blue print for the grifter 😂
🙉
“Kiss it”
“Baseball was made for kids. Grownups only screw it up.”
Can’t recall who said that, but it is a legit quote
Bob lemon was the one who said it
"Just bc it's a ""quote"" doesnt mean it's a valid statement"
-- some crackhead I met before?
@@one-to-one-ratio And in this case it Is a valid statement.
@@one-to-one-ratio
And you didn’t need to state the obvious even after reading it.
Excluding the MLB this is pretty much the truth
These kids had a worse punishment than the Astros! It wasn’t even the kids fault...
Lmao true
@Shekel Steinberg-Bernstein The kids knew shit about what was happening it was the adults that orchestrated this.
@@Lol-pb9bx Obviously it’s not the kids fault, but they all knew damn well that their team was being pulled from catchments all over Chicago
The kids knew they were cheating, at least the ones that were ringers did
@Shekel Steinberg-Bernstein I'm not fighting for the kids to keep their title, but this just reiterates the lack of integrity in the MLB as a whole
The sad part is that all these boys were talented and worked so hard then the adults, who cheated, screwed it all up for them.
Exactly!!! That's what in my mind makes the adults even more despicable than the cheating part ,its the fact that there self serving nonsense cost some very talented young men there reputations and robbed them of the fruits of there hard labor absolutely disgraceful and disgusting and in my mind disturbing
and thats the crappy part. adults screw everything up. and i wish everyone stopped crapping on the kids. it wasnt their fault!
They knew they were cheating too
The kids KNEW they were cheating they KNEW they should have been playing for another team but wanted to play for a winner....Jackie Robinson West won 34 out of 40 district titles because they were cheating every year(by allowing kids from outside their zone to play for them) until someone finally called them out on it.
@@joshmoats7981 you sure all the kids knew they were cheating? im sure alot of those kids had no clue what boundary they were in and just wanted to play baseball and were told by a parent or someone they need to play for this team. all the sports my brothers and i played. for awhile we didnt know what team was the team for our boundary. i cant blame the kids on it. any kid would have gone to a team to try to be the best. im sure they werent told they were on wrong team. and it was parents and coaches that did all the cheating
This is truly heartbreaking. That clip at the end honestly got me and I really hope this didn't affect their love for the sport
"Some players from the team, who were 11, 12 and 13 at the time of their title, are now playing at the college or pro level, the coaches said.
One player, Mount Carmel High School shortstop Ed Howard, was drafted 16th overall by the Cubs in the 2020 amateur draft. Another, Pierce Jones, is a prospect for the San Diego Padres.
“They’re all are chasing their dreams,” Houston said."
-Chicago Tribune
They got all the experience they’re good. I think they still view themselves as winners and should.
@@JJ-zr6futhat girl pitcher can probably go pro in women's baseball which should net her a comfortable $40,000 a year.
Truly?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The boy in holding the trophy in that clip has a successful baseball career
Having coached Little League teams I can say first hand that cheating does go on by some coaches who want to win at any cost. I can also say first hand that some parents should not be allowed anywhere near a Little League game. By far the biggest problem Little League coaches have to deal with is abuse from parents. Sad.
I remember when a coach wanted to win a tournament championship game that he told the weakest to play sick so they wouldn't play them in the championship game. They won the championship but we the told the coach we knew what he did. We told our kids that don't worry that if he had to cheat to win then let him have it. It was a tournament game but our boys were regular season champs and we knew we were still #1.
Yea, I've coached soccer in both the us and the Netherlands. The parents always complained either about my voice (I can get pretty passionate, i love the game and push the players to do their best) or my substations (playing time for each kid).
In both instances I dramatically improved results for both teams, as they had previously been led by parents of the kids. One of the teams had literally lost all 24 games the previous year.
I tried explaining that its a sport and that each kid would have to earn their place in the team, I always stated this when I first joined the team and when the first game would come and through out the season. I explained my tactics and the rules around substitutions.
I would say 100% of the kids would first be skeptical but after a couple of training sessions and games 80% of them would normally listen carefully as they saw the results in themselves and the team. There would always be 1-3 players that would not put in the work. By their own choice, and those were the parents that complained.
Kids are young and parents are really attached to their kids (especially cause a lot of parents have less kids these days, therefore more time to observe and interfere with their kids development). But if you look at history, kids even 50 years ago had much more responsibility and expectations placed on them. I don't think treating kids like kids does them any good. I treat them like young adults who should learn and encourage them to make mistakes (ex. I'd rather have my striker shot 10 times and miss then wait for a "perfect" moment).
My goal is to create an environment where they strive for success and have room to fail, and I always tell them "you can only fail if you don't learn". Parents have trouble with this, as they think their kid deserves more. Especially with this "equality" narrative in todays society where they think every kid deserves the same. But that isn't life and I will no matter what the parents say, cave into their ideas. Life is tuff and they need to learn that they need to put in work to get results and that even after all that work things don't go your way. I have been fired from one of my jobs for refusing to cave to a parents demands. I told them and will always tell them, that when I'm coach, its my rules and not theirs and that I would rather be fired then start shifting things for one child, simply because a parent is uncomfortable with the way I operate the team.
Their response normally goes along the lines that they are there to "just have fun". I explain to them that trying is fun, effort is fun, winning is fun. Showing up is just the beginning.
Let me tell you, a lot of the parents don't fundamentally understand kids, they are way to attached. I'm young and don't have kids, so i can't say i fully understand their perspective. But I did have a father and a mother who showed me reality, and would put me in situations that weren't always comfortable. Looking back I thank them for that. I would rather have the kids be proud of their work looking back and maybe hating me than being a "fun" coach. In my experience, fun coach's are fun in the moment, but the coach's that pushed me I respect, and I respect them till this day.
Yes, I have always blame these "parent(s)" for their constant mistakes, selfishness, greed, and scamming the system by using their race, gender, entitlements, and of course these innocents who never asked to be here or any of this. And on the flip side of all of this the system, corporations, organizations, and the media are all contributors in using this culture for their financial gains.
I used to ref youth soccer. Some parents just shouldn't be allowed at any youth games. 9/10 if there is a problem at a game, it's a parent or coach.
@@Crayshack im not gonna lie, i woulda yelled at you if u made a bad call in my game.
I played Jackie Robinson growing up. They have always used older players on there teams and everyone could tell. Cheated our team out of a lot of district wins
Crazy that y’all only wanted black players too
@@Maynard-il1yj An intercity group being racist? Just another day ending in y.
Welp it's in their nature.
But the genius posting this video says the kids did nothing wrong 😅
What color were the folks who created communism? Fascism? Atom bomb? Colonialism? 🤔 @@tapsofosiris3110
when they stripping little league titles and not the astro’s title lmfaoooo
If they had that would have been an execution shot of major league baseball. It would have truly have ceased to exist. You cant strip titles in pro sports and have the league survive.
Think about it, it would have been a bit like how competitive cycling isn't really a thing since they disqualified their most popular rider ever in Lance Armstrong. People didn't actually care that Lance used drugs that helped him heal and produce red blood cells. Why? Because so did the guy who finished second, tenth and every other biker in the tour, if you wanted to find the guy who didnt take the drugs he was watching the race with us. Then one day the cycling rules crew came down from on high, disqualified those years races, but knew they couldnt declare the guy who finished second the winner because he was equally dirty! This killed their sport. Nobody cares who the winner of the Tour de France is anymore. The same would have happened to the MLB if they had stripped a title from a team for hitting a trash can to give a signal to their batters.
You can say at least one good thing about what the Astros were doing, they were still at least trying to win. The only time you should have some achievement stripped from a player or team is when they when they try to fix the outcome of the game, because at the core of sports is the assertion that both teams are doing all they can to win, including cheating and creatively interpreting the rules.
The Astros deserved to be punished. MLB can take draft picks, money, salary cap space, fire managers, all that shit, but the result of the world series stands, because it has to in order for professional baseball to survive.
@@CopperBased god damn u made a whole essay
Can't have black kids growing up with confidence. That is against societal rules.
@@abp4708 all the black kids on all of the other teams this blatant travel team ran over, they don't count?
@@abp4708 so you’re saying black kids have to cheat to be confident?
If a politician gets involved you know something scandalous is happening.
The team is pictured with Obama. They all cheat.
Liar
When I played Senior League, I witnessed parental interference in full force. Two boys who spent their summers with their father, who lived in our city, wanted to play ball and, as no one knew how well the boys played, no one wanted them, so they were placed on our team, which had finished last the previous two years.
Well, they proved to be stud pitchers, and the team united behind them and started to win, win, win. This really riled up the coaches of the other teams, all fathers of players, so they eventually tried to ban them from playing because they were not residents. (This was in the 70s when divorced parents were not the norm). Somehow they dodged this bullet and they were allowed to pitch in the playoffs and we made our way to the championship game, but another protest was filed against our team during this time for a player "playing out of uniform." Seems one of our two star pitchers wore a different baseball cap than the teams and, unbelievably, this protest stood up and we forfeited that game, allowing that coach's team to play in the championship.
It was disgusting and I refused to play organized baseball ever again.
White Suburbanites do this ALL THE TIME and NOBODY says Anything. But when POOR BLACK kids beat the crap out of them all of a sudden the "White Suburbanite Playbook" no longer applies. CLEARLY this is about RACISM. I am NOT a blue haired city dweller who calls everyone a nazi but when I see B.S. I have to call it. This is BULL S !!!
Yeah, you really showed them.
@@abcdeeeeedded? Yes
So we’re just blatantly copying comments now?
Well if there was a rule that led to a forfeit potentially why would the coach allow him to be out of uniform like that? Or was it just an obscure unknown rule
Coach: "This is punishment for the kids."
Everyone: "You're right. The teams out there that could've won with eligible players were definitely punished."
I knew it was going to be about eligibility before I clicked play. I coached little league years ago and it was a very serious problem then, to the point of faked birth certificates.
@V. P. N Then who are those adults getting millions to play on TV?????
@@todd4335
Why do the parents commit fraud?
@@MrJohnnyDistortion everyone wants to be a winner. Some people go to more extremes than other. Some people don't feel a sense of right and wrong.
@@todd4335
They extremists are harmful narcissists. The predator type.
That's a damned shame. These kids played their hearts out, and are now branded as cheaters because of shady adults.
you dont think the kids knew? lol
@@OliverGolfs Do most so called Americans know American History is a complete lie?????
@@ltaylor9878 you said "so called" and "american" in the same sentance...
Cheating is cheating, You must be a liberal to defend it
@@poptart221986 right, conservatives don't defend cheating because they're too stupid to even realize that they are cheating
Anyone who didn't realize they were obviously cheating from the very first time they showed up on TV is genuinely too naive to be treated as a serious person. Their coach is literally visibly illiterate.
What bothers me the most about issues like this, and as a Canadian, I've seen it happen in minor hockey, is that the kids who legitimately reside within the boundaries get left out because of the ringers who are brought in. As a parent, that would really piss me off if it was my kid. The parents who knew their kid wasn't eligible to play for the JR team should be ashamed of themselves.
@Sean Flynn - No, it doesn't.
Hockey parents are RUTHLESS
Hey mayne, it be raciss of you to blame da black parents, know'um sain. It was also raciss to take dey title away.
@@iliv4disc77 are you mocking black people?
Nah but the parents didn't know. They thought that everything had been cleared up
In the mid to late 80's my oldest son played Little League. His coach wanted to use his younger brother birth certificate in order to enter a tournament. I said no.
Did ya have to think about it
@Cetrion which is completely against the rules so ur point is?
Thank u
@@dmx7280 he’s saying that this stuff happens and it’s proof. Is that not obvious
That’s interesting, none of these kids were too old though so not the same comparison.
I wonder what would’ve happened if the coach had a brain and didn’t let the kids run the score up 43-2...
Is that why the kid is apologizing after the homerun at the end of the video?
Bro 🤣🤣🤣 mad suspicious!! 😭
That does cause suspicion
I agree, I'm 60 now and I've Coached Little League since I was in my early 20's whenever we played a team that we knew from the 1st inning that it would be an easy blowout, i told the kids and coaches after about 10 or more run 1st inning, to let up on stealing and other things, we did not stop completely because every game is important, more so than a practice, so holding back everything would not be good in future games, we needed the practice, but you can slowdown and hold back to a point, after a 20-1 lead, the Coach could easily have attempted to do so. But also from over 35 years of Coaching and being in charge of Umpires and running local leagues and being involved with other districts, many Cheat in some form or another, not only Coaches, but district and State leaders of Little League, it's just like Politics. So most leagues if they can, someone will cheat, or bend or break rules to get better players and get rid of their bad ones. So I agree that Little League used the team to make money and get more publicity, and I think they knew from the beginning about the cheating that's why they kept saying case closed hoping the Coach that started it all would just go away. But I also agree with him, you get tired of the cheating, and it's possible yes he himself had cheated in the past to a smaller degree, but he just got out cheated that year and he had enough of it, LOL!. This Video correctly covers all the bases and even though they don't say so 100%, they this or that is possible, they don't realize it's probably near 100% right, everyone lied, cheated and took advantage.
when the imposter is sus 😳😳😳
I actually live in the same area as Mountain Ridge LL, the NV team that the championship was relinquished to. Actually was one of our rival LL’s when I was growing up playing, and it’s crazy to me every time I pass those fields with the banner, I can’t help to think about the Jackie Robinson team. What a story. Melancholy storyline for sure.
Nevada was the clear winner. The Jackie Robinson team had lost already but somehow they still let them in the championship.
Of course he's 12, just look at his drivers license!
@@robertr.9419 There you go. Proof positive!
Hahah
You win.
😆
Not only is he a trustful person but also a great father of 2.
Fun fact. Jackie Robinson west short stop, Ed Howard, was drafted first round 16 overall to the Cubs! 2020
That's awesome. Really cool, I did not know that
That is great :)
@Jericho Bravecat did you watch the video? the team re-drew boundaries, i can't tell you how many little league teams do that. It's actually very common. Second, these kids are studs at baseball. You can't take away the fact these guys have natural talent and should go far. Your comment made zero sense.
@Jericho Bravecat while I agree that they cheated, that cheating was completely unrelated to their skill as players
@@bradyc7569 You going to ignore the whole part where they didn't actually redraw the bounds? Just claimed that they did...
As soon as I saw the Reverend Jesse Jackson involved, I knew that something was not right, if not corrupt.
DASS RAYCISS
After that stripper who falsely accused the Duke lacrosse players showed, it's that he doesn't give a shit
Yep pure Evil.
He is the # 1, the ultimate screamer with his little side kick, Al , of racism. They are the two biggest racists of all American history.
@@markbuckles6609 Jesse Jackson ran for president on an anti-sectarian, pro-working class agenda in 1988. Aka the rainbow coalition: "an extremely diverse coalition of working class people."
One of my most vivid memories of little league baseball, now over 20 years ago, was standing next to the opposing team at the state tournament as we watched the parents of other players fight in the stand.
None of the kids cared. I'm from further south of Chicago and played all black teams while we were all white. The only people who made that an issue were the parents. The kids from both teams literally stood next to each other talking and joking while grown men in the crowd hurled abuse at each other.
In conclusion: Adults suck at being adults and those kids can ball.
In conclusion, the only reason they are good is because they cheat. Dumbest shit I read this week.
@@tyclips7143 buddy he’s talking about the kids skills. those kids can ball and they are all great ball players
@@tyclips7143 Are you daft? Those kids had skills. Not their fault their guardians cheated and literally rezoned areas to make an allstar team.
All they proved was that 13 year olds can beat 12 year olds......
@Brandon Harting EXACTLY!! End of story. They know exactly what they were doing. Coaches and kids. They Cherry picked the best kids and tried to form a super Little league team LOL
Who else isn't a huge baseball fan but thought this was really interesting
Same. I don’t really watch baseball but I was interested by the jrw story
Right!
I’m a big baseball fan
I never watch baseball but this video was interesting
Yeah but that title intrigued me
I know how this works. I was a coach in our local Little League. The boundary issue is in place for a reason. It prevents teams from drawing All Star players from outside their boundaries. That’s why it’s so difficult to field a team that can go deep into sectionals and nationals. This was pure fraud. The players knew. A player and parents who live outside the boundaries knew what was happening. None of these players or parents would have ever played with or against each other, except during non-little league travel fall/winter ball. This was in essence a dream team that pulled players from every corner of Chicago land, of which all but 5 players were from within the boundaries. The “adults” that defended this action also knew what was happening. Believe me, as a parent of a player, you know who all the studs are in your county when you are involved in off season travel ball.
Your right...and not 1 person spoke up.....out of what.... 50 people who knew....now those kids are 18 and 19 and in the middled of all those killings daily in chicago...black adults taught the kuds nothing
So called surrounding areas crying a foul over statewide all stars.
Winning is about everything. In the 1970s, Taiwan is the perennial Little League Champion. They have some players who don't really act like 12 year old. They are more like 16 year old. So countries do cheat by fielding a team that is formidable. Here in the US, winning is everything as well. Did you know US have a 50% chance of winning the Little League champion every year while other countries have to battle each other for the remaining 50% chance to play US for the crown.
@@whyicare China uses underage girls in their Olympic gymnastics teams
@@southpaw8040 It's possible. But still should US be given a 50% chance to win LLWS every year.
My nephew was the coach of the Las Vegas team, and he never got angry about this whole thing. He has completely forgiven, all those who are involved and moved on with his life.
Wow they are absolved then your nephew is the ambassador of earth after all
Sucks for the kids of Jackie Robinson West. Sucks worse for the teams they beat to get there.
not really Jackie Robinson West has done what every national winner has done for the past 15 years lol but since they are black they actually did an investigation this time
@@jonaroll2348 sounds like a lot of people were trying to take credit of people from their neighborhood. I don’t think it’s about them being black. I think it’s about sore losers being Karen’s. Honestly it’s just stupid to take any accomplishments away from these kids. It’s disgusting how one person’s feelings can destroy so many lives.
Are you suggesting that the players did not know their own age? Cmon man.
@@jebuschrist9161 no. It's about cheating, pure abd simple. Now who are the sore losers?
@@tomgardner8825 I must have missed the part about the ages. How old were they? That’s definitely an issue.
Long story short, they were not really cheating, the parents and coaches were, because apparently that team was like a travel ball team which collected the best kids from different places, but disguised themselves as a regular team. The kids didn't do anything wrong, its just the parents and coaches were secretely hiding it.
I thought the teams that compete in the LLWS tournament are All-Star teams...all the best players from the local league, right?
@@Shootskas yeah, local. Not from other cities and counties.
Bull hockey..those kids and thier parents knew they were cheating..these are top tier players that have been playing since they were t ball age ...them and the parents knew something was up when they drove thier kids a hour and more away for practice when the kids you played with growing up and that live a block down are playing 10 minutes away at thier local park..
@@Shootskas a article i read said some lived over a hour away so they werent from thier league these were the best out of dozens of leages
@@turtle5709 So all these players were on the same team in the regular season? Or were they on different teams in the same league before the all stars?
I like how the parents and officials swing this as an attack on the kids. Nope, it was your fault and the kids suffered the consequences. They knowingly broke the rules and then claimed the ruling was racist. Their imaginary get out of jail card.
Listen, racism is very real. Just because you've never experienced it doesn't mean its not a possibility.
The parents are suggesting its racially motivated because the guy who pushed for the investigation probably didn't care to investigate any other team. To me this seems like the byproduct of jealousy. You have a talented team that wins consistently and a losing team (coach) that can't accept that fact. What would inspire that man to investigate a little league team? Children! Jealousy. He looked for any possible infraction to get those boys in trouble and successfully stumbled across the distance of their homes being outside the little leagues boundaries. Sure, he might be correct but what inspired him to do ALL THAT? Racism......or jealousy.
I've been on teams where we've defeated district rivals year after year and they accused us of cheating for no other reason than the fact that we dominated year after year. People that don't want to see you win always think you're cheating! LOL
@@princessindigo The motivations behind the investigation are simultaneously debatable and immaterial. The team cheated, point blank.
@@bcreech17 correct, but why did they only investigate that one particular team?
That's part of the issue that was pointed out in the video. Why didn't the league investigate ALL the little league children, perhaps then they'd notice the same pattern among the other teams - an unspoken bending of rules. If everyone's cheating but one group gets caught cheating does that mean the others weren't cheating?? Maybe you should consider that, Brian.
@@princessindigo
this wasn't a blind investigation seeing as it was pretty blatant
race does play a role here just not in the way that you think
@@princessindigo
They investigated them because they were tipped off. That’s how investigations work.
If they investigated everybody it wouldn’t be an investigation it would just be part of the process.
You raise the possibility of other teams cheating without any evidence or claims to suggest that was true.
So what, we should let them cheat because, other teams might be cheating too?
Team didn’t deserve nothing, affirmative action BS
I feel bad for those 5 kids who really were eligible. They probably didn't even know that their team had done anything wrong, but now everybody just thinks of them as cheaters.
watch out with who you hang with
Bullshit they probably did know their team was cheating. Why would you assume they are naively innocent?
@@onlythewise1 hope you’re kidding
@@YankeeNationalist bro do you remember these kids are 11? I guarantee you their parents never said anything to them about cheating so it wouldn’t get in their heads. Use some common sense
@@onlythewise1 stfu
CORRECTION: at 10:33 I say that a player was claimed by Lansing MICHIGAN.... I misspoke and meant to say Lansing ILLINOIS.... still out of district but very different from Lansing Michigan which is in a completely different state.
thx
That changes my view. I thought they were bringing in players from out of state...
I was about to say, I’m from lansing Michigan and I was sure you meant lansing Illinois
Also at 10.49 you said teacher from Buckwood IL taught one of the players, I was in the same class as him it was a neighborhood in Chicago called Bucktown
HUGE ERROR
As a little league player, this happened a lot more than people think
I don't doubt this happens all the time, everywhere. Do you think the Korean team wasn't the equivalent of a national all star team? Sucks for these kids.
This wasn't right.
The only reason is because the team was all black, like the preacher said investigate the whole little league and you will find more cheating
@Micah Alofaituli everything in America is based on race, how many other little league cheated with white kids but there no story about that, wake up bro
@@chrismckenzie9864 please stop with the race pandering... as a black woman I'm sick of this victim mentality! Get up and work and help your neighborhood
You can almost get away w anything if you cry racism
Having played in one of the tournaments in NY I can tell you that as we kept winning, the players on the opposing teams suddenly started looking older and bigger. LOTS of cheating goes on by ADULTS who want to win at any cost. They ruin the game for kids who just want to play because it's fun. We came to find out later that one of the teams we routed 13-2 was actually Babe Ruth League team of 15 year olds. We were 12 year olds. We got really disgusted with the system and we went to our coach to pull us out of the tournament because the adults surrounding it were AWFUL PEOPLE and since were inner city kids, the suburban kids and parents treated us horribly because we were winning so much and I guess one or two of us were too brash and flashy for them. BUT to pull the race card when you know you did something wrong is just as disgusting to me. It's a shame but cheating happens a LOT in Little League.
Why though? I don’t get why Little League is so big in the U.S. it gets TV coverage, for crying out loud.
@@pianosbloxworld4460 It's the world championship for the national sport of the United States doesn't matter if it's for kids. When the World Junior's for hockey is on we all watch it in Canada because we get to see the NHL stars of tomorrow.
@@pianosbloxworld4460 its the beginning of a lot of professional careers.
At 12 years old, I don't think you and your teammates were pulling out of a tournament because of adults. A 12 year old just wants to play ball and typically don't worry about the bigger picture.
@@donforeman9051 That's why they wanted to pull out though? The *adults* were *ruining* the simple fun of throwing a ball and running around with friends; Without that, why play? Kids are as easily affected as their thoughts are simple and straight; A punishment can make a kid think their parent hates them, even if it's as simple as a scolding-you expect toxic adults to not have an affect on 12 year Olds? I pray you never have kids
Turns out their lawsuit was settled in April '21 after admitting their players were ineligible. Tho the coaches continue to try and shift blame, while saying its not their fault the players weren't from their district, that it was little leagues fault for not monitoring the league well enough. Crazy stuff, you would think people would just move on already.
JRLL: Hey, you weren't doing your job that great so we figured we'd cheat... Wait, don't do your job now!
😂😂😂
Not surprised at all……………………..
@Akbar Shabazz-Jenkins no one is saying that but you
@Akbar Shabazz-Jenkins your clearly the only one saying that. No one else is.
There will always be a few people who never move on, that said, the reason most people haven't moved on is because the race card was played the entire time, and race is something people won't forget about so long as we keep thinking people are different. From the start, it was "all black team playing great baseball" which turned into publicity and then later, "we would be able to get away with cheating if other people weren't racist." Dangerous dialogue so until it's settled, the public will still care about the outcome because it's bigger than little league baseball
Once I saw the "Reverend" Jackson all teary-eyed in front of a microphone I knew this would quickly become a racial money grab!
We all know that "Father" Pfleger had other personal, yet extremely controversial, matters on his mind for the JRW team.
Mike Obama was pitching
The Rev needs his cocaine money.
@@twotwentyswift And extra cash to pay for his kids from at several baby mamas.
@@m.r.keller9642 Wow, those are some desperate women!
Wouldn't doubt at all these kids real ages were fudged and they were older than the leagues' requirements to boot.
Shame on the parents and coaches that lied to benefit themselves at the pain the children have had to endure. Just shame. Nothing wrong with the kids. Everything wrong with the parents and coaches who knew they were cheating.
I wouldn’t say trips to the White House, Disneyland, and everything paid for is free as pain. I feel bad for the kids in the surrounding districts, state, and large district because they got cheated out of a chance to play in the World Series.
@William Cotton what does this have to do with a female pitcher?
@William Cotton Where are you getting this info that it was only 2 kids? Every resource I'm seeing is over half the team didn't qualify. Or is it not fair cause "muhh wacism"
@John Doe theres nothing wrong with cheating
If there just playing for *fun*
But If your trying to build a pro team, dont
Bullshit, those kids knew there was cheating going on. MO for Chicago!
Cheating has nothing to do with race and everything to do with character. I blame the adults in this mess.
They probably knew they would get caught so they did the "all-black" team just so they can use race as an escape plan
Their pastor used the race card. He is going to hell for defending cheaters. Lol
You people have absolutely NO knowledge of Little League All-Stars culture. Better to just watch the video and enjoy it.
@@robertboyd4135 Amen Robert I spent my life coaching kids in many of the major sports and as a kid myself, it's highly competitive, hell in basket ball and Football fids are farmed out of state. Nothing will stop it it is big money boosters adopting kids because the play well, you just have to live with it and enjoy that level of play.
@@popcorn-uz3tn so what are you saying? That what they did was right and they shouldn't be punished?
I actually go to school with Tré Honduras. He was committed to Michigan, but he lost his senior year last year due to Covid, and is now in a Junior College. He’s a stud tho, got a lot of power and a great swing.
I know right
A lot of these kids ended up playing college baseball. Ed Howard was drafted by the Cubs. They were loaded with talent.
how’d he lose his senior season to covid but now is a junior in college?
@@patrickgannon4057 he’s in A junior college not a junior IN college
@@patrickgannon4057 he's not a junior in college, he's attending a junior college.
They knew they were cheating, their parents knew, their coaches knew. Corruption is just the way of life here in Chicago. Plus they had the 'das rayciss' shield.
Damn these kids got stripped of their title but not the Astros
Dude that is so true.
Ikr
Damn... your right :/
It's a cruel, but true double standard
Yeah that's ridiculous
It started with the coaches. My son played travel ball from the age of 10 to 16. He was a pitcher who averaged 82 mph fast ball at the age of 15. We had so many offers outside our district and I turned them all down because it's cheating. In the south we played by MLB rules so it's A, AA, AAA then Majors. We have gone to 3 world series and we knew of 4 teams that had cheated like Jackie Robinson. My son to this day has said dad we did it the right way. Now he plays ball for Mississippi State on a baseball scholarship. You get more in life by not cheating.
It is for sure you get to enjoy more of your success when you know in your heart that everyone knows you did it the right way ! Congrats !
The white Catholic priest claims racism. Do you mean the white supremacist leaders would have larger corruption in their sites than a little league black team.
@@veritasaequitas4100 im sure he has had more kids on his lap than disneyland itself. he should sit down and shut up!
always the right way! my son cheats to win at everything, he is 7. we had a long talk about losing and trying than winning and cheating cause its not earned. you may get the minute of happiness, but you know you cheated. lose and learn from it! get better, earn that W!
@@CIF-pm7tk lmao
Im a little league softball coach n the only thing that takes the fun away from the kids are the parents. We are all guilty of it at some point...
And lets not forget.. CHEATING... Dont break the rules and you wont have to break the hearts...
What’s the fun in a sport if you can’t heckle 6th graders
@@orf_av8or303 whats the fun in a sport if you lose because the other side broke the rules?
@@wickywick76 what’s the fun in sports if they don’t use steroids and murder each other on the field
Do they let boys play softball yet?
Why is it racist when you get caught cheating.
They said this because a lot of affluent white teams do this with no punishment. And these teams will fly kids in from other states, not just the city next door.
@@emjayeeSee, you gave facts but they don't care. See how they never responded to you? They only care about this because...well I'm pretty sure you know.
@@dame3323 always the same, always.
@@dame3323"See? They never responded. That means they don't care"
Are you okay, dude?
Itll get removed if you say why
Any time Jesse Jackson is involved you know the race card is coming out.
Bunta
True.... True
Facts
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have been living off of other people's struggles pain and miseries for decades now
I only wonder why every team wasn't investigated.
Anytime anyone says "check everyone else" they know they're in the wrong
but they still should its only fair and equal
No. They know that everyone cheats.
@@delorbb2298 or they’re trying to play the victim
@@delorbb2298 so why take the title from a team that succeeds from it
When do people say this
One of those kids, Ed Howard, was actually drafted by the Cubs in 2020.
And traded to the astros
@@andrewgates1027 **asstros
@@andrewgates1027 😂
Houston asterisks.
@@ExoTikSalSA 🤓
This was much of a bigger scandal since the Danny Almonte case, a pitcher who was known for his fastballs and a no-hitter, when it was revealed that he was two years too old to compete.
Houston Astros: *"We will watch your career with great interest."*
Always love a Star Wars reference
As an Astros fan, this hurts. Its funny af! ......but it hurts.
Im a lifelong Stros fan but this made me laugh!
Stros are currently the best team in the biz and have been for years now. Even after being punished and all other teams that did the same thing, or similar things, got a pass, they are still the team to beat.
Jared R idk I don’t fully pay attention to teams I’m not interested in I thought it was Yankees or angels
@Zak Mellouki not a baseball guy huh?
4 donations for $90!
Damn where were all those politicians, celebrities, and supporters when the team needed them?
They all vanish when it doesn't do them any good for media etc.
Nobody wants to eat with a starving man
@Isaiah Byrd It does. When the "man" was eating good he had backing from several rappers, politicians and even the president, but when the "man" lost his plate and began starving they had no interest in it because it wouldn't do good for them.
@@jhershy3787 No one likes a cheater
Seriously, that was BS. A measly $90 the LL made a good little chunk of money from wheaties to shirt sales. It's not unlike collegiate athletes where the kids do the work get fans spending and the institution collects all the $
you should do a piece on what happened to the kids. Most are at draft age now
Yup 👍🏽
Yesss
@J B really? That's awesome
@ why would u assume that ?
I think it’s funny to think that every team comes from one small area. Gtfoh they hate that baseball isn’t “theirs”. Ed was taken in the first round out of high school...
Why question the whistle blowers credibility before or after they had already been proven to have ineligible players? He made an accusation that was proven with evidence he had nothing to do with. That is some really petty stuff and playing the race card after all of it is just flat out disgusting. The adults cheated and ruined it for everyone. Meanwhile the players are the only ones showing any maturity.
Because they never like to take responsibility, even when caught. They literally got caught and their excuse is, "But you should have caught me earlier". They can't even respect children's baseball, can you really expect them to be able to behave any other time?
Sad but they cheated. My kids play school sports too and what they did was create an all star team. The kids did nothing wrong, the adults exploited them.... BUT, they should lose their their championship. Calling out cheating isn’t racist.
Which adults? Please, we should be specific, for clarity and understanding.
@@toErehWon the coaches, who scouted outside the boundaries. The parents, who knew their kids weren't eligible. The guy who put through the new fake boundaries....
@Pike Man Yep. Lose your mind and hit a QB with a helmet.... “How do I get out of this one?.... He called me the N word”.
As long as you don’t Jussie Smollet yourself it works every time.
@@leisuresuitlarry4990 As a black person myself, I don't believe it was racist... BUT, I do believe it was pretty fishy the way Little League handled the whole situation... They weren't investigating anything the whole year, the team was cleared of wrong doing, then all of a sudden the investigation starts again after they visited the white house? Those kids played alot of games and won a District Championship, then a State Championship, then a National Championship and went on to the world series... I'm not saying what the team did was right, they were wrong, but this was mishandled, why let them play all season and wait until they win to cut them down right after... They could've ended it before it started but instead they humiliated those kids and it wasn't even their fault... Honestly if they wouldn't have won the Natty, no one would have every heard about this scandle.
my only problem with this, and I do agree they cheated and should be stripped of their title, is that there's a lot of other (whiter) little leagues that do this. When I was a kid, I played on a state tournament LL team that was outside my district. Didn't know it was against the rules at the time, just thought it was an opportunity to play for a better team a couple towns over. So while, yes, JRW definitely cheated, I'm curious if LL has done anything widespread to address the issue of these super teams, because it seemed like it was was stupidly easy for JRW to do. I wonder how many other leagues that reach that stage do too
These adults knew exactly what they were doing was wrong and deliberately went against the rules. Recruiting the best kids, with most not in their district, to blow away the competition is flat out cheating and sets an extremely bad example for the children. I hope Janes wins his lawsuit!
When you can't argue the facts, argue the optics.
@Michael Owens That’s his point, Einstein.
@Michael Owens If anything proves anyone is a Liberal here, it’s your inability to type a grammatically correct sentence. My god.
@Michael Owens If you want to go through the rest of your day believing I wouldn’t talk shit to your face, be my guest. Enjoy living that life, kid. Fact is, you’re not very smart or keyboard savvy. You typed fast cause your emotions were all riled up. It’s what kids your age do. Accept it.
@@FinnaRealtawk2323 you need a hug big guy. You’re tough like everyone else on the internet.
@@deanbishop How long did it take you to come up with that reply? It comes off so intelligent and wise. You must be a very successful man in life.
So the kids don't know where they live on a map of Illinois? Im not surprised.
They get mad at the guy for calling them out for cheating, when they were 100% cheating. Lol motives be damned you cheated.
It's hardly cheating I was expecting steroids
@@gordonramsdale they were recruiting players from outside their district.... get yourself a map, Bucktown is nowhere close to Englewood. Lansing isn’t even in the CITY of Chicago.
And you can bet your A$$ the $$$$ raked in from their run WASN’T spent on helping the very kids that brought them there. But like most “amateur” sports, it’s the athletes themselves that get taken advantage of, used, then discarded. I don’t fault the kids, it’s the slimey “adults” that I get mad at.
@@aomalle True, though I am not from America so frankly most of what you said at the start was incomprehensible.
@@gordonramsdale Englewood is a south side neighborhood in Chicago. Bucktown is a near north side neighborhood, they are separated by about 15-20 miles. And Lansing is a city outside Chicago.
They raised Millions during their run, but funnily enough, no one knows where that money went. It certainly didn’t go towards the Southside Little League. It certainly didn’t go to the kids or their families (the Reader did a follow up in 2019 I believe, and the few players they were able to track down all said they didn’t receive jack). The kids were used, and then THEY were called cheats, not the Adults that did the actual cheating, and not the race baiters that tried to mitigate the cheating, guy’s like Jesse Jackson (who’s just a con man grifter) or Father Phlager (another con man masquerading as a Priest, but that’s to be expected as the entire Catholic Church is pretty much a fraud), or the coach Darold Butler
@@gordonramsdale it’s absolutely cheating I had to play against a team like this but they didn’t win states sit less people looked at them.
They weren't "investgating the children", they were investigating the management .
The guilty were using the kids as shields by that time.
Hey the adult cheated. The coach knew the rules and got caught. End of story.
Thank you
Adults are supposed to protect the children not expose them to this. They got what they deserved
@@rolandkennedy80 and white people take all the blame. Another day
Kids weren't innocent either, they knew
They got investigated 3 times they obviously were bothered by black young men winning.
Nobody's accepting the race card anymore.
Only 5 of the 13 players actually lived in their district?? Wow. And the parents sit there in the stands, cheer loudly and act like nothing is wrong. I live in a city that has one of the best football programs in the State of TX. We do have players whose families move here so their kid can play in our program. But that is the key. They do actually move here
We have something very similar in NJ called the Parishional League.
When I was 10 my team made it to the regional tournament. Whoever hosts the regionals automatically gets in regardless of how they did in district and states. The team that we were playing was from our state and they were very good, but we had already beat them in the state tournament to move on. Because they hosted regionals they were there. They ended up beating us in the regional finals to go to the World Series in Illinois that me and all my teammates and families (east coast) were incredibly excited for and hoping to get to experience. Their team was notorious (fans/parents/coaches and players) for being awful sports. There was a semi-controversial home run that they hit that they shouldn’t have hit because there was a time out called and they basically accused us of cheating for trying to suggest that those runs shouldn’t have counted (they shouldn’t have but oh well)… Long winded so I’ll wrap it up here. Only 4 of their players were actually from the district and the rest were from the surrounding area (essentially one of those things where there’s a south/north/east/west Bsville and they took a team out of all of those but played as “south bsville.” They had their tournament win voided, but this all happened months after. So they didn’t even deserve to be in the regionals because we beat them, because they hosted they were there and ended up winning and laughed in our faces, and they cheated the whole fuckin time. We legally fielded a team out of 17,000 residents, they fielded theirs with a population of over 100,000 (south bsville population alone is 47,000) …. Still bitter almost 20 years later 😂. We made it to the babe Ruth World Series as 13 year olds though and what an incredible time it was. Felt even better after we knew the chance was stolen in the past. Miss those days like crazy
I don’t think the parents were aware of it.
That exactly happens here at Cedar Hill TX, highschool, both, baseball and football teams.
Oh shit so they have the money to actually just fucking move their homes so their kids can make a "legitimate" all star team, got it, very respectable distinction not at all a load of horse shit sounds fair and equal as fuck.
If we're going to defend this blatant act of cheating by being a "defender of children" and quoting "the kids did nothing wrong", then consider this...some kid who legitimately lived in the correct district lost his chance to be on an all star team because some kid from across town took that spot.
It was meant to be. Anyone who treated those boys badly will have to pay for their meanness. Such a bummer.
I need explanation please because I really don't understand what makes someone playing for a team in another district cheating as I follow esports and your teammates can literally live across the world in another country now I know that's only possible in online things but why can't they live separately and not play with each other it just doesn't make sense
@@midnightlens it creates super teams. Normally little league teams can’t recruit.
Affirmative action
Little league and all the coaches know this is going on and it probably still is. In a way, they encouraged it, when Jackie Robinson shows up with an all-black team and pushed for a re-mapping of where they can pull players from-Common sense says do due diligence on all those kids or change the map. But neither happened, I take it that this is one of those things little league looks the other way on and everyone knew it. But the team won and now haters who actually do the same thing call foul play? Nonsense! In fact, @ 14:15 one of the Jackie Robinson parents claimed the whistleblower's team tried to illegally recruit their child. I bet of Little league had the guts to look into all their teams that year then the whole season would have to be scrapped. This is not about the cheating but who got scapegoated.
I hate that this happened to these kids. They clearly have A LOT of talent. Hopefully this experience didn’t ruin the game for them. I hope they are all successful.
One of them is playing for the Cubs now
@@sirkiz1181 wow, that’s amazing!
@@sirkiz1181 which one?
@@jonashong1908 Ed Howard, the shortstop
@@jonashong1908 btw I saw this on other comments, don’t know much. About baseball myself
These kids are still really impressive at the sport despite the controversy. I think that’s more important
So they strip a little league title and not the astros in the MLB
Pros have more power over the institution than amateurs.
There’s a lot more money and power involved, same with ncaa
Haha
All the theatrical plays we think of as "games" aren't genuine anyway. Everything in this world is a huge lie we all enforce at some point or another. From politics to religion to movies and sports. All lies none are entirely truthful.
@@KinkESizemore THEY ARE KIDS
Growing up in Miami we were stopped by a team from Hialeah. A team of Cubans that didn't have their birth certificates yet. 1/2 the team had full mustaches.
Freaking Cubans...
Little guys. Early puberty?
@@mjef3695 Age fraud
Well Miami is cuba......sooo cry me a river
@@toanotherplace 😀😄😆
I really thought the kids were taking steroids the way he hyped up them cheating
Edit: that's a nice amount of likes lol
I thought they faked their age
@@arkana7111 thats what i thought too
@@arkana7111 that would have made this story more entertaining.
I know right.
I'm sure cheating happens all the time, they were unlucky enough to get caught.
I was expecting them to be over age. lol
Your editing and story telling skills are awesome to watch!
I disagree, this was a rambling video and had a lot of unrelated information and redundant clips.
My son's football team played a wonderful team like this. It was for seven and eight year olds but their team loaded up with kids as old as thirteen. Their thirteen year old broke our quarterback's arm and it created such a stink that they were investigated. They eventually forfeited all of their games and were barred, but the kid's arm was still broken.
Pretty sure there could have been a hefty lawsuit. Negligence and fraud resulting in grievous bodily harm. Sue the coaches, the kid's parents, the school, the league. Medical bills, lawyer fees, possible lingering damage.
People couldnt tell the difference between 8 year olds and 13 year olds? Im confused
@V. P. N how can it possibly be the OP's fault?
@V. P. N agreed
I doubt a 13 year old was playing with 7-8 year olds lol. Do you understand the difference between a second grader and a boy who has hit puberty and is turning into a man. I’m going to guess the kid might have been 2 years older if that.
I'm not mad at the kids, but increasing the talent pool by recruiting from a larger area is basically the most effective form of cheating.
I played soccer in elementary school for warwick pa, and after sucking for a few years we got pretty good and actually had an undefeated season. We played the travelling team next year in a scrimmage and lost easily.
Simple. Money. Usually if you live in a suburb you can afford a baseball equipment
Are you joking? Your comparing elementary soccer to the little league world series. The biggest stage for kids playing baseball compared to elementary soccer. These two aren't even comparable. No one cares about your little elementary school soccer. This is the smallest stage for soccer compared to the best stage of little league baseball. What an idiot
@@sethwiley7839 I really hope you aren't replying to me, because not only are you unnecessarily insulting, you seem to have completely missed my point. Seems like you got upset at the mention of soccer and just went ballistic without even trying understand what I was saying, which wasn't complicated. I was just saying that pulling from a larger talent pool makes a huge difference, and is absolutely cheating whether the kids know about it or not. If you disagree and chose to express that with your rude comment, whatever. If you agree, then you just made an enemy for no reason. Either way, congrats on being a total jerk.
Travel team has been so awful for kids sports
From what it sounds like you were a house leaguer and your coach decided to put you guys against a club team that plays in a competitive league. How is that cheating 😂 that’s just bad matchmaking
Back in my day playing towards the LLWS, coaches would just sneak a 6'4", full mustached, wife and kids in the car, 225lb, 18yr old monster, to pitch 85mph bombs at us as 12yr olds from 45 feet away... black and white photo copies of birth certificates were barely legible anyways as proof. The good ol'days.
Im 12 and there are some 6’2 kids with full mustaches that throw 75
The Benchwarmers has a scene just like that, an adult gave an umpire a piece of paper with "I’m 12" written in crayon along with cash.
@@DuffyBlanco i remember that
Honolulu 2018, same
@@DuffyBlanco lol, the $5 bill.
Honestly the kids probably knew what was going on.
Jesse "Smollett" Jackson
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Juicy Smooyay
@@quasarstone4951 justice for Juicy
Ya reminds me of playing little league at 16. I figured they would catch on when they saw me driving to my games.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hey, is that a mustache!?!
-Nah, it's just...um, dirt?
@@bakerfresh understandable. Have a great day.
Funny. Luckily none of these kids were over age. Only had to do with the locations they were recruited from.
@@rdeez5974 much respect to their skill. I thought age would be the reason they were blowing away the competition.
But, I wonder how good that South Korea team was.
Ed Howard from this team was just a first round draft pick by the cubs
Hes a top 100 prospect now I believe
Hope he does well for us. Go Cubbies!
He’s got crazy potential
He's trash and plays for trash
Kinda surprised he didn't end up on the Astros. Hes definitely a great prospect though
No wonder a team packed with ringers from all over the region beat teams made up of local kids in the same neighborhoods. The politicians involved are the worst offenders in this scandal IMO.
Well on the brighter side (for the kids at least) one of the players on that Jackie Robinson West team is now an MLB First Round Pick for the Cubs. (Ed Howard, SS 2020)
Good for him!
W
@K Maxx 😂😂😂
You’d think Houston would pick him up 😂
@@nathanguinard4784 Sadly Team had interest in T.Rashcan. Can’t blame them tho, heard he’s been making some noise in the Texas Area.
I Was expecting fake birth certificates, trash cans and steroids 😂
Lol me too ...like a 20yr old pretending to be 12 🤣
I am 12
Yes!
That's what I'm saying,
And
I said to myself "it better not be some crap like some kids lived in a different district or something"
IMO, This is a stupid reason , I've played baseball and football growing up and scouts were known for going to other cities or counties to recruit,
Kids same age, no drugs, no using tech to spy on other teams, or sabotage another team?
Fare and Square to me
@@rCali-zm2es ???? By swiping players from other districts you ARE sabotaging other teams. That’s how they dominated their local, stealing players from other districts.
Get yourself a map. Bucktown is nowhere near Englewood. It’s near north side. And Lansing is a different city, not even part of Chicago.
Cheating is cheating. Excusing it because it doesn’t rise to the level of the Danny Alimonti situation, or the Nagasaki steroid/growth hormone scandal is preposterous.
@@rCali-zm2es Yeah those kids got talent and they won
this channel is criminally underrated
agreed, they're right up there with Jomboy, Foolish, and Sadman
Ikr
It’s alright but he’s kinda terrible at digging deep into his research. For example calling this the biggest cheating scandal in LLWS history yet forgets to talk about the time a 14yr old lied about his age to compete! Danny Almonte, his cheating scandal was easily the worst in history. These kids from Chicago were of legal age and played their hearts out. It’s all on the coaches and leadership for rigging their zoning lines.
i’m sayin
TH-cam just blessed me with this gem subbed now
Sure started early in life to learn how to cheat.
I love how they bring race into it 😂 like bro the parents knew what they were doing, they cheated plain and simple...
So then, what does race have to do with it? Cheaters come in all colors. I still think the Dominican Team with overage players was worse. Cheating is all bad.
Every great little league team has cheated in some way believe it or not. They only paid more attention to them because someone didn’t like an all black team winning getting all that fame. Look up all the other teams and investigate where they recruited from and I bet it will be the same situation they are not all from the same areas ever when you put together power house baseball/basketball/football teams in little leagues. Parents cheat always and forever will and the kids have no control over that. They can’t even drive them self to practice so they playing for whatever team they parent drive them to tbh 😂
@@louismeloche3857 I’m agreeing with you, they were making it as if it had something to do with race...
@@GemCity_Exotics you have no proof if it was racially driven, stop making everything about race, my lord.
@@GemCity_Exotics also it was looked into more since THEY WON, obviously it’s goin to be looked into more that’s common sense...
The race card got pulled out so fast it almost caught fire.
You almost caught fire commenting on the race card so fast.
@@AC-in3mo Good one! You are so witty where did you come up with that?
Shocker
It always does. Minorities call all white people racist and nothing happens. White people "offend" a minority and all the sudden its "racism"
@tee Films ABSOLUTELY
Remember that pitcher in the early 2000s who was the mvp, from NYC but he turned out to be like 16.
Danny Almonte. I came here to make that same comment.. For some reason I'll never forget his name
There was a player who used is cousin's id to get into America, his cousin was 2 years younger. Not sure if that's the same kid you're talking about because I thought the difference was claiming ot be 12 when he was actually 14.
@Judy Greer LMFAO
@@chrissyb7916 yep.. That's the kid I'm talking about. He was Dominican. Danny Almonte. But it wasnt his fault. His guardians falsified his birth certificate to show him being 12 when he was actually 14. The kid didnt even speak english at the time and had no idea he was breaking the rules.. Its really a very sad story actually
@Judy Greer i dont know how i remember cuz i was 14 and was doing drugs by then.. It's just one of those random names & situations that I'll never forget.
I remember when people were questioning about the team they were called racist
I like when someone says something like "Well you need to investigate EVERY team in the league then." like it's some sort of gotcha. I mean yeah, let's do that, let's make sure no one else is cheating.
I agree but lets have some common sense.. no need to investigate the team that finished in 37th place....
check the top 10 or 20 for addresses ect..
@@markwright1981 "Deflection" is a safe and happy place for cheaters. Surprised the team that came in second, to last place, wasn't accused of cheating by the tards! They didn't come in last place so guess that must mean they were all on steroids ☺️👍🏻
That wasn't a call for fairness, that was the "it's only bc we're black" so it's racist response
OBAMA KNEW
It is not a deflection but this team just proved people wrong about Chicago black youth. Show me the documents of the other teams that they did not cheat as well. I know here in North Carolina when black churches
I thought they cheated by taking steroids or something but these kids literally won the adults cheated them 👀this is sad
yo i was thinking the same thing the whole time
I thought they were cheating by having older kids on the team or something lol
Kids knew they were cheating too. I played Little League and was selected for Traveling AllStars which was big for a kid so they 100% knew diffence between 2 teams
You thought those little kids were on the juice? Rofl
You are right. The kids probably knew nothing about it. Time will tell, but the team should have never existed so......
I call bs everyone knew even the kids they knew they where cheating..
Exactly, they knew, but were raised being told that the world owes them so it's okay
@@suelewis4033 and unfortunately is only getting worse .....
@@franciscogalindo6575 people are starting to get fed up. Even many liberals are feeling scammed. Have faith
@@Christobanistan They also knew that other leagues were not informed of this. This was just too crooked, and pathetic. A cheat is a cheat, is a cheat.
yeah sure let’s blame the 13 year olds for not calling out the adults that cheated.
It's not reasonable to believe the parents and even the players didn't know of the violations. Race has nithing to do with the ultimate ruling. Cheating is cheating.
I agree. Those kids and parents both know where those kids live. They knew they could be discovered.
You’ve gotta think: these kids just wanted to play, and the parents wanted their kids to, too. No matter what, though, this group of kids is still the best, even if 8 of them aren’t eligible.
@@savingcpr5450 if other teams used,allstars from out of their district the would be just as competitive
It is when youre talking about a distance thats literally a bike ride away. STFU
Claiming racism is the catch all excuse.
Burn down a Wendy's.
I did it because I'm racially oppressed.
Charges dropped off you go.
There's no accountability its always white racists fault. The term has lost almost all meaning now its so comically overused.
When Jimmy Fallon loves something, you know it's wrong.
Facts
Also we not gonna talk about even though they where striped they met Obama and went on the world series feild like they still don’t care they here still hype
@@lukewillyhams2634 of course, it's an all black team.
We are not only supposed to ALLOW them to cheat if they want to, we are also supposed to just hand them whatever they want ( in this case, the championship ), applaud them, shower them in rewards and give them celebrity status 🤣
@@HitLeftistsWithHammers let them vote too
@@clheppermann only if they will vote Democrat.
I don’t see how this is racially based or motivated at all. More like it became about race after they got caught
it kinda seem racial since the coach started talking about it after they won but idk.
@@BigRed00 We need more evidence in order to make that supposition.
@@timeisahumanconstruct9251 yea it does but it is weird he chose to go after the all black team after they won the national. i believe initially he didn’t like them but he found stuff to back him up
anonymous exactly
@anonymous i didn’t say it was racist😂 it just seemed racist within the way he did
It’s crazy that it takes more than half of the whole video to get to the first mention of what the scandal actually was
It builds up to it
That’s like saying It’s crazy how it takes more than an hour to get to the climax of a movie. Creator did a very good job of setting the stage and giving us background. You could have just read a news report if you didn’t want to listen to the whole story.
Why watch long form content if you don’t have the patience for it lmao
I like how the priest at the beginning said it was racism lmfao
Another race grifter. They are the worst.
yeah, that priest is being investigated now for multiple accusations of child sexual abuse.
@@Video_Crow damn
@@jimlahey8210
📛🥴 What do you expect from Chicago? It's a city with SO MUCH corruption and death, but controlled by a completely unaccountable political party(democrats), who set the standards of "race grifting", by scapegoating EVERYTHING on "racism"!? 👹😈👺
That’s Pleger, an ally of Saul Alinsky and Barack Obama.