Horizon: Forbidden West - Angry Review
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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex finally Review the Horizon series in this Top-Tier Sequel, Forbidden West! A-Joe rallies the tribes for Earth! How does this Sony Exclusive measure up? Find out!
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Massive respect for uploading a review after leisurely finishing the game. Games are supposed to experienced, not rushed like those official reviewers where they feel it like a chore and give bad scores.
first comment and its a good "DAMM RIGHT" moment kinda wish more people would understand that and stop going "i want the review now" "hurry up with the review" and all that jazz, especilly since as you said the games end up feeling like a chore or miss all the good points and so they wind up getting low scores since due to rushing they didnt take the time to enjoy.
this is especilly true around the soulsborne games for those telling joe to "hurry it up" and "we want it now" for elden ring, if they rush it they arent gonna enjoy it cause 1 the story is a slow burn as it takes time to figure it out (or use the wiki), 2 they dont experiment and find the weapon they may love (so dont test all the fun combat styles) instead use the starters and if they dont enjoy them well see above, 3 rushing doesnt leave time for fun, id rather wait weeks hell a month or 2 if needed so long as we get a fair review (though no doubt people will still complain if it aint 10 out of 10)
@Jullia kosic ACG is a great example of someone who gets the review out on time and takes his time with great detailed reviews. Just because a review comes out when the game releases doesn't mean it was rushed. People get review codes and just play that game for a week as their job. AJ plays all of the games at once and doesn't make it his job.
Yes looking forward to the Elden ring review when he finishes it next year 🤣
@@thorn5228 I say play like 15 hours at least or 10.
If your not feeling it then give it up.
But if your an actual reviewer your not thier for your fun.
It's about the game the mechanics.
Story writing.
Are these good.
Then move onto the us it like mNy others?
Things that just don't work.
Its actual flaws
dying light 2 review felt rushed though
I don't even buy games day one anymore. So reviewers taking their time, so that they can put out a more accurate review is good to see.
I could count the amount of games I've bought on day on one hand even if I was a Ninja Turtle. I love games, but over the years this industry has shown that it's not to be trusted with preorders and day one purchases.
Same. I have learned to wait around a month after a game is launched before buying it.
I remember being very hyped for Kingdom Come Deliverance when it was announced but when it launched, I waited a few days. Watched the reviews, a lot of them saying it was buggy as hell. So, I waited for them to patch it up and 3 months later, I bought a used version of it (cheaper) and got to experience the game without most of the bugs. It became my favourite game, and I'm sure it wouldn't have if I played it at launch because I would be pissed off with all of the bugs that plagued it at launch.
i dont buy games anymore no need too i have game pass
Yes cyberpunk tought me this lesson too unfortunately
@@SirCaco I used to pre order because live in a small village and sometimes it was out of stock in our stores. Bad after bad experience with assasin creed unity and other toxic infested micro transactions bull shit and the possibility to digitally buy games I never pre ordered again. It is unnecessary to pre order imo and it is sad we have to do it to send a signal.
The graphics are definitely great but I don’t see a lot of ppl talking about the enemy ai. I mean the way the machines track your movement and basically guess where you’re gonna dodge too is crazy considering 9/10 they guess right. And the enemy ai being able to track your fight pattern. It’s awesome and we need more games with this kind of ai.
Play any Soulsborne game and a regular enemy can kill you.
@@pwndizzy3873 elden ring! for gods sake the bottom tier soldiers can wreck you if they manage to gang up on you
It basically tracks your imputs. There is no guessing. Souls games were definitely one of the game to use that kind of AI in the past, enemies being able to shoot their bow accurately while ur running zig zag, enemies having certains attack that they do if you heal and being able to manipulate their AI if you position yourself in certain ways.
That’s funny because the AI is one of its greatest weaknesses. Because you are fighting mostly robots, they can hide the limitations. But when you fight humans, you realize there is not much to the AI. On many fights I just spammed attacked. FW is technically a PS4 game and those Jaguar cores are pretty old.
@@szelitzkyerick7456 Souls games' ai are pretty simple and predictable that's why after enough memorization people can do no hit runs the entire game even multiples of them back to back.
I think the first game left more of an impact on me than Forbidden West, gameplay wise yes there's plenty of improvements but the first game had the benefit of the whole world and story universe being fresh and new
Yeah I definitely felt the same way. There was so much mystery and intrigue in the original. Most of that was gone in forbidden west sadly.
@@MissMultiConsole I think they tried to give us that again with the zeniths but at the end of the day we’re already very familiar with this world so the reveals aren’t going to be as big in the first game imo
As soon as I was introduced to the new zenith people I was hooked
OJ should have a star on Hollywood Boulevard he's an absolute legend of the internet.
Only people with SAG cards can have that
Never will happen because hes Hollywoods competition lmao. (Welp apparently you can pay for them. Did not know that)
lol bollywood would fit him much much better
Fun fact: he could have one if he wanted to. You just pay to get those, and probably some other rules around SAG, but most importantly you just pay to get one.
That's right. You pay. To get one of those stars. Because Hollywood is a facade.
Read that sentence back slowly.
The visuals in this game is what modders have been trying to make Skyrim into for over a decade. Truly impressive.
Skyrim > HFW
@@bentai4496 Skyrim = Overrated
I tried that fuggin' game for like 12-15 hours (apparently, according to Steam) and I remember NONE of it.
Yea, I remember walking... Same for "New Vegas". - Guess I was as cold on that as Joe was on "Zero Dawn"...
I really hope things will be stepped up and not so dated for 'Starfield', cause I'm actually hyped for that.
@@michaelmonstar4276 For me non modded Skyrim 7/10 - i started few times and couldnt finish it. Modded Skyrim 10/10 - especially with enai rims mods. And true, main quest line suck balls even with mods. Yet Dawnguard quest is pretty good.
Skyrim with mods 10/10 super fun
@Chris M hmm i had great fun with first horizon. Faaar better than for example with Far Cry 5 which i couldn't finish because got bored so much.
My biggest problem with the story was that your objective at the beginning is to address the blight, but then Far Zenith comes and that is never really addressed. Gaia says that the stuff you’ve done will only give you a few months more, but Aloy is just like, “take your time!” at the end of the game like they aren’t heading towards mass deaths. Part of me hopes this will be addressed in a DLC, but it should have been addressed in the main game
Well the blight clears up when u finish the game
Guerrilla Games planed HZD as a trilogy once they had to cut stuff from the original. Forbidden West is a Chapter 2 more than a sequel.
Gaia says after capturing Poseidon, Aether and Demeter only will give few months without Hephaestus which is the one who builds stuff and controls the cauldrons and the robots. Hephaestus is captured but after that it's released to fight the Zenits.
Forbidden West is the middle of the trilogy. The blight is addressed for now when you recover AETHER, DEMETER and POSEIDON. However to truly fix the biosphere in the long term, GAIA needs HEPHAESTUS. Unfortunately the Zeniths get HEPHAESTUS and in exchange of saving the Tenakth from a pointless death, Aloy tells Beta to release HEPH into the Zeniths network. HEPH then escapes back to the Cauldron Network when Gerald destroys their network. Because of this, Beta mentions in a datapoint that she, Sylens and GAIA are planning on using APOLLO (which they now have in full thanks to the Zeniths getting a copy 1k years prior) to build a better version of HEPH. Hoping that with this new version, GAIA can wrest control of the Cauldron network from HEPHAESTUS. Thus GAIA can use the cauldrons to take control and build new machines to fully repair the biosphere. Beta says (in the same datapoint) that this should be possible before NEMESIS arrives.
The blight starts getting addressed when you heal the Land Gods and return them to the fields of crops that they used to tend to. If you come back later on, you'll notice a huge difference in how that same area looks.
@@vex-nh yes, but even Gaia said that she wouldn’t be able to fully heal the lands without Hephaestus. What we did with Aloy slowed it down, but didn’t completely stop it
See for me I really enjoyed the story of new dawn. So the beginning for me and understanding what's been going on and what adventure we were going on was really intriguing to me. I loved the opening especially the elevator where you get introduced to the new world.
Considering I take my time with games, I love how your guys's reviews come out after everyone's first impressions. Especially with your consistent and improving quality over the years. Do not ever worry about being late 😙
Bill
I don't know if i can handle any more of your TOM Fuckery!
I agree 100%. But unfortunately they kinda have to be worried. In the past (maybe now still, idk) some of their so-called "fans" have been so disrespectful, so stupid, plain and simple, that I can understand the team being fearful of the reception of their work.
This
I never buy any game until it's at least under $30 (e.g. I only just bought Zero Dawn a couple months ago), so the reviews that drop in minutes which review only the tutorial mean nothing to me. I prefer a good in depth look like Joe et al give. The games are always still new to me by the time I play them.
@@f1jones544 Literally the same here! The later and more encompassing reviews help a lot in these instances.
The Horizon customer service skit had me rolling 😂
That should've been the opener
Well my opinion on the dialogue wheel is that it’s for the people that sometimes have a hard time picking up everything during the first conversation, and I like that im able to be able to repeat the dialogue in cases when I miss something or didn’t quite understand the current plot in the mission.
Surprised I haven't seen someone mentioning the fact they clear taped a Dorito to the side of OJ's head to act as Aloy's Focus piece 9:08. Haven't laughed out loud in a while, thank you.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
OJ is such a versatile actor, I'm sure that's been said before
The fact that he hasn't won an Oscar yet is outrageous.
He's a legend of the internet he deserves an award and go be fed grapes on his throne
Read John 3:16 🙏 🙏
We salute you, Other Joe
@@AurelionSass he doesn't have a SAG Card
Well the people that care about the “old ones” in this universe want to know their story. I appreciate that they are telling a story of the present and past at the same time.
Same here. Love the approach.
Lol the old ones are just regular people and their story isn’t particularly interesting. I hope the next game doesn’t talk about the old world at all.
@@billymanziel5666 oh boy im glad you arent in charge
I don't agree with the story gripes at all, I've thoroughly enjoyed it, and you don't have to listen to EVERY SINGLE PIECE of exposition, 75% of the dialogue is fucking optional...the only parts that aren't are crucial to the story. And I definitely have enjoyed listening to the snippets of the "old ones" and hearing what amounts to usually...their final words.
@@cirescythe if he was in charge the game would still be as bad as it is now.
I just started playing last week and as much as I love this world and as heavily invested as I am I can't stand talking to NPC's outside of the quest stuff but after the first section the games opens up so well that I've become reattached
That was my exact experience with Zero Dawn lol. I uninstalled it twice because I couldn't bear the NPC interactions. But then finally the game opens up with gameplay freedom and I sunk like 300 hours into it.
I hate that shit in triple a games now. They all have to include some stupid ass dialogue choice all the time. It doesn't help either that it looks like Witcher 3 too, that came out in 2015
@@bigd2156 what looks like witcher 3? Lmao horizon? Horizons characters and animations are a billion times above tw3
@@AliHamza-sv4ni Such a shame because horizon is still garbage, it's an open world game for toddlers lmao.
@@Reechop let me guess you play eldennn ringgg ooooo .
Using a dorrito for a focus in the mini AngryJoe scenes is by far the best use of a prop I've ever seen
That little kiss OJ did at the beginning made my day. Havent laughed at something that hard in a long time.
Thank you Angry Joe show!
Oh my god, I thought that I was the only one that noticed the weird “alive” hair in cut scenes. Thank you, AJ, always pointing out the stuff that the big review companies miss!
AJ? His name is AJ (Angry Joe) not AJ (Another Joe) we already have OJ (Other Joe) we don't need AOJ (Another Other Joe) there already to many Joe's and not enough Alex's
@@absolutelyfookinnobody2843 zzzzz
@@absolutelyfookinnobody2843 bro what?
@@absolutelyfookinnobody2843 So salty XDDDDDDD
this game is one solid collection of sjw and it sucks fiercely
There's absolutely no one that can review rant like Angry Joe, but Other Joe is the star of the skits!
Weird about the soundtrack, I thought the game was absolutely great with the soundtrack. You know it's great because it never grates on you or gets in the way! And there's a couple memorable tracks in there from the overworld just like the first game. Also surprised no mention of the ridiculous amount of useless loot. The fact that loot which sells for shards can be listed as "purple" as if it's valuable enough for me to spend 5 minutes to get to another damn just is just kind of a pain in the ass. Less chests! Less crafting materials! Less ammo types! Just tie the damn elemental damage to the weapon instead of splitting ammo into 20 different fucking types.
That’s what I was thinking: I was like why can’t they name a single song? Did they play the game? We literally have iterations of the same song blasted in our ears from the ps5 Home Screen and the main menu etc and I thought the music was a lot more memorable than the first (in the flood, for example was a big surprise)… I agree on the loot thing too I don’t even look at all the shit I grab lol
The OST is good I think. And YES, the looting system and upgrade system is RIDICULOUS. Legendary weapon upgrade criteria is just absolutely stupid
I kinda liked the extra dialogue, it was kinda annoying at when I was just talking to random npcs, however all the extra dialogue in the main story felt like a good addition. Also I fucking loved the music and was so sad when they said they didn’t find it impactful
Same. The music is incredible. And soooooo many songs.
One of the most generic music and tonns of worthless dialogue.
The music can be good as background music for immersion, but it's not like catchy melodic tunes with banger beats or anything too special, it does fit the game.
@@samhein321 the best song (in my opinion) is “in the flood” and I personally believe that it’s an absolute banger but, if someone dosent like the music, it’s their own opinion (and vice versa)
Want good music? Listen to Starscourge Radahn, Maliketh The Black Blade, Leyndell Capital City, or Regal Ancestor Spirit from Elden Ring.
When you need Angry Joe the most, he’s there
@@iamtired4974 Who cares people 🤷🏽♂️ people can review things whenever they want.
@@iamtired4974 i will wait 1 year for angry joe elden ring angry review idc
only to clickbait and put together a poor quick discussion rather than a proper full edited angry review. He skipped on HZD due to time constraints and now over a month after HFW's release we get this. What a joke. Yet garbage games like wonderlands he had time for? Ironic of Joe considering he makes a living criticizing developers for their "work".
Awesome review ! Dialogues could’ve been less long and predictable… but Aloy leveling up and going bad shit crazy with great graphics makes up for a lot the zenith thing was worth waiting for but the tribe’s sometimes talked to much 8.5
The dialogue wheel has an icon to show you which option to select to end the dialogue... The additional options are for people that like a little more depth to their conversations or to check something they're unsure about. I thought it was a good way to suit everyone's needs.
The problem i think most people find with this method is that they think they will miss out on something important by not viewing it. I suppose that's not really the games fault though.
The best part in the entire game for me so far has been everything with the Theater troop in Vegas. That section of the game was just so charming and silly and I loved every second they were on screen.
That was one of my favorite parts too
Mannnnnnnnn u nailed it!!! That part of the game just felt SOOOOO GOOD!!! I was super invested in that story like. That by itself is it’s own story. Wholesome gaming moment
Man I've gotta say, these parodies alone make it worth watching reviews even for games I'm not necessarily interested in.
As always, big ups on staying true to your content and working through all these games for us.
If u have a ps5 get it amazing addicted asf
You should watch their _Red Dead Redemption 2_ , _Metal Gear Solid 5_ , and _Grand Theft Auto 5_ reviews. I promise you'll be *on the floor laughing* from those. OJ did such a great job in Red Dead Redemption 2. And it's probably true they likely had a lot more time to create those reviews. But they are truly some of AJ's and OJ's best work. Alex even shows up in the Red Dead 2 review briefly. :)
@@joaquinarchivaldoguzmanloe1073 i have full intentions of playing horizon, i just meant in general. There's quite a few games they've covered that normally I wouldn't even think of watching a review for had it not been the boi's doing it in their format. Unfortunately though, I don't see myself having a PS5 until next year. Which is okay I guess to hold out for more titles rather than buying one early at mark up.
@@jb34304 I agree. They all do incredible work. OJ especially. And Alex as Lady D. I think at this point I've seen just about every angry review. I stay pretty up to date now aside from full length Table Time videos because board games aren't really my forte. But I'll still bop in some Wednesdays when I have time to hangout on twitch.
@@shoobydoo yeah I would wait to get a ps5 and then buy the game
I had some rough patches the past few months but im finally finding time to play it and im way too into exploring, i have the main mission like right after restoring GAIA from the seed and getting out of that base you git from it and im at level 31 pretty much just from exploring and taking down a bunch of thunderjaws, also!! Theres like a mountain area at the top of the map with freaking tremortusks and i guess theyre quest locked til you reach a specific point cuz they never spawned up til now, i was *really* looking forward to fight them way too underpowered so i guess ill get back to the missions soon!!
Way too much dialogue in this one over ZD. Also Aloy just talks way too much, can't go 2 seconds without her telling the player what to do
OJ Aloy taking that Hair blowing a bit extreme lmao
I love horizon. Since that first E3 video back in 2015, I got lost in the world of the first game and totally loved the story so the forbidden west was one of the handful of games I purchased in full price on a day of release and the first game I paid £70 for. I'm 120 hours in and still got stuff to do but you named some things I actually thought: Alloy's hair has life on its own. I was skipping doing main quests when I had less than 2 hours to play. I hated stupid hints. Like I'm collecting 9th drone and she goes maybe I need to bring it down. Yeah, I know Alloy shut up.... but I liked the story in the Forbidden west too but it didnt wow me ... and that's natural because it's a sequel ... I love it and definitely looking forward to an expansion and another sequel in the future.
"yeah I know aloy shut up"
Might be my most used phrase playing this game
My experience was totally the opposite. The characters are extremely boring. The world is bland. The people seem like zombies and talk like robots. Hunting monsters were cool but inventory management broke the gameplay and immersion. Most of the missions were missions were terribly designed. The game also hand holds. I've tried on ps4 and pc to play and complete horizon zero dawn and the dlc but I was bored to death. Forbidden west is more of the same so I will I'm good. This series is completely overrated imo. Beautiful graphics though.
i get the reason for it and its helpful with puzzles and stuff but it really gets annoying after a while ..
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 yeah, it would be amazing if it was slightly optional
@@MrJambola123 they are always updating the game (which is amazing ) i guess if there is a petition or enough people kicking up a fuss and say hey can there be a toggle in the menu to turn the hand holding off !!
Totally agree about the tribe stuff, it's somewhat interesting seeing little things about how they base their religions and customs etc. on random relics from the pre-apocalyptic world but I mostly find them unwelcome distractions from the main story - which is fantastic IMO.
The world lore is super rich I've always appreciated that about the horizon series.
Even if you didn't like any of the other tracks (soundtrack) in the game, try and listen to the one that plays when you start the New Game/Continue screen. It's a great twist on a similar track in HZD. Not dissimilar to how Ezio's Family became Assassin's Creed's theme, to the point where almost (if not every) AC game has it's own version of Ezio's Family. I think a lot of people miss the initial track in Forbidden West because after you press "Continue", you don't get to hear it in its' entirety. Just to be clear the name of the Track is "Aloy's Theme - Forbidden West (feat. Julie Elven)".
This was a very solid review. Very good and concise points all around, definitely agree on the gameplay and world exploration.
this game is one solid collection of sjw and it sucks fiercely
@@arathortizs28445 What does that even mean in this context? The game series is it's own thing, the writers can do whatever they want 😂
Good review but he should have criticized Alaoy's fat face and how it doesn't match her lean and athletic body
@@THEMIGHTYGAMMONTV this means that instead of an adequate game, you will eat what all sorts of fighters for social injustice and other nonsense will feed you, which I don't need in a video game.
@@arathortizs28445 But the game and story are great, so I'm unsure what the complaint is about
I think when it comes to the dialogue, everything just depends on how invested you are in the world. I really love the first game and I've been invested in the world since then. I really enjoyed everything about the tribes, their interactions, and the various side quests that you encounter. The dialogue itself was very enjoyable to me because I found most of that stuff to be very interesting. That being said, if you're not interested in those things I can see how the dialogue would be annoying. Still, as much as I enjoy the first game, I feel like this one was an improvement on all levels. If you're not interested in the dialogue, it's easy enough to skip through it.
It's a 9 for me. A point deducted mostly for some occasionally wonky platforming that irritated me.
Yeah I don't really understand the exposition criticism. For Horizon geeks like us, it's a god send of lore and information. Mass Effect did the exact same thing and was praised for it. And then Other Joe criticized that there was a dialogue wheel instead of cutscenes. Umm.. the dialogue wheel is for people like you who DON'T care. Literally just pick the bottom left option and then you can press a button to skip the dialogue entirely if you want. Why would you insist on picking every dialogue wheel option for 50 hours if you haven't cared the whole time?
Still glad they enjoyed the gameplay and story and stuff for the most part though.
@@vincentjohnson7175 agreed 100%
Hell, I went through some of the GAIA portions more than once 😆
I can imagine that the complaints would have been worse if it was all cut scenes (even "concise" ones) because it would have just been an info dump. The dialog wheel makes it all entirely optional.
Personally, I was thrilled every time I saw a "!" above someone's head.
@@vincentjohnson7175 Mass Effect had an interactive story where you make decisions that actually affect the story. This game does not.... Get dialogue options tf out if your game if there are no real options.
@@Lord_Alimdor so you'd rather a game just force a ton of exposition and conversations on you?
Your all or nothing approach makes no sense.
It's all optional, I don't see the problem. Don't select those options in the wheel if you don't care.
I think you're missing the point here. people should want to hear the dialogue not just skip it. it should convert people to like the lore and story not bore people
Something I noticed I heard no one talk about, clothing. I was talking to this guy wearing a leather vest tied in in the middle to keep it together. When her moved the gap between the two sides moved with him, even expanding and contracting as he breathed!! Shit KILLED ME!!
35:11 I love in that cutscene she sounds more annoyed than anything. Like someone spilled something on her rather than afraid that they just fried her shield making her vulnerable to be killed.
Aloy is the gaming mary sue, she is born better than everyone else, she is perfect in every way, and everyone who is not a douche is in love with her. it is even more obnoxious in the second game, that being said, the game is good, the story is good, but could be better.
I don’t see how. She has faults, her weaknesses. Later in the story she admits after a mission she failed
Did you play the first game? She had access to a focus her whole life and she was trained by Rost so she would naturally have an advantage over many other people due to the knowledge she would gain from the focus. That said, she did feel more vulnerable in the first game as opposed to this one where she didn't seem to really question if something could be done or not.
@@mbern4530 she was born from the gene of "smartest" and "greatest", she had the special aid from young like u said, her only "hardship" was being "shunned" so that she could prove to everyone else how great and better she is to everyone else. On the second game she was worshipped by everyone, because she is the greatest.
@@AlexanderMacAoidh did u see any arch in the advancement of the character after the failed mission? She failed because the story needed her to fail and then she could rise again as she is, nothing more, no lesson learned, she is still the best of them all.
Thanks for the years of high effort content guys!
You look like if Samwell Tarly and Bran Stark had a baby
@@psychobillynumbnuts1 he does look like sam though kamo
Fantastic review guys. I really enjoyed your take on things and very much appreciated your work.
*FINAL VERDICT:* 28:14
It was between this and Elden Ring for me and given how they described the game I made the right decision in picking Elden Ring for what I'm looking for.
Make your own opinion
You made the right choice!
@@iwouldntlikemeeither why comment that on a review video? It literally defeats the purpose
If Elden Ring is also gonna be a roundtable discussion it will be interesting to see how you compare and contrast it this game since they do things so differently.
Then Joe why is it so boring?
Thanks for the review guys. I love the game but my issues are the climbing and recovery when she gets knocked down. She takes so long to get back up that the machine is already attacking again. And there has been times when I would climb to the top of a mountain and then can't get atop it and have to shimmy to another area to do so. But I take my time with these types of game. I haven't even completed it yet and I've had it since launch. Without a new game plus I don't feel any need to rush. I still have a lot to do. Arenas, Ruins. Pits. And I seem to find random people in the middle of nowhere to give my new quest. So I'm having fun and just learning to deal with the cons of the game.
My favorite thing about new games is watching these reviews
Another awesome vid I get so happy seeing a notification of your guys’ uploads every single time your videos are a 10 no disappointments I can see you guys really love what you guys do I love u guys
I did enjoy the various tribes, both in FW and the original ZD. Seeing how each differed and were culturally and visually unique as well as how they explained how those differences came about from the few bits of lore found in he open world.
But FW fell a little short compared to the original ZD. in ZD we had the Nora, and Oseram and Carja and Banuk, and really got time to experience and get a feel for how they were all different. IN FW we basically have the Utaru and the Tenakth, with the quen only showing up at the end of the game with their only really noticeable features being (we use focuses abut we suppress sharing any learning), and the Zenith who we barely see at all other than two characters we talk with.
The tenakth could have been really diverse and almost three separate tribes themselves, but the only really differences we se is one lives in the mountains and another lives in the desert and anther lives in the woods, and we use different color skin paint.
Yeah... DLC's aside, I think FW could have been in development for 1 year extra. You know, just to polish things more (there were quite a few bugs at the start).
I don't know why i ever stopped watching these reviews he has and still does an amazing job with direct and objective critiques of these games and honestly I think i prefer it even more with other Joe and Alex being directly in the review as a discussion. sure they have similar tastes but it's nice to get 3 people's reactions at once. I so appreciate that you guys break down ALL the good and bad in equal measure and don't sugar coat it much if at all like most big game journalists that seem to get paid to embellish not review. Keep Doing your thing guys and don't sweat it if it takes a while, "anything worth saying takes a long time to say......"~treebeard
because joe can scream a lot which makes me flinch gives me abusive baby adult vibe even tho he jus playing and then he cuts the boys off way too much but other than that AJ is a genius and his reviews are mostly solid.. i dk sometimes he hates on great games but i appreciate the harsher critisicm over here so its whtevr
@@originoa Baby adult vibe, you absolutely nailed it :)
Hard to impress spoiled gamers who have played everything, Great graphics and fight mechanics is all I need, if the story is good it just a bonus.
The first 10 hours feels like a demo for review outlets like IGN. Not bad necessarily but it gave that feeling I also couldn't put finger on it. Then suddenly the game opens up and it's great and the dialogue isn't out of place. Also the information overload! Fantastic game though.
Honestly the opening skits they do are the best 👌 I'm here for OJ in any costume!
I really love dystopia and bleak stuff, so the first game's story was amazing to me, absolutely loved it! Some really cool topics and themes
Funny thing is you can skip exposition dumps with x or just if you want to pick the right thing on the wheel just look for whatever has a circle and an arrow symbol next to it to Leave the conversation or the sideways square shape to pick the quest progression choice
I loved the game. Had some issues with picking up loot having an animation (please do it like Ghost of Tsushima, BOTW, Elden Ring, etc), Aloy talking so much (especially puzzles), some minor bugs, and janky climbing and melee combat.
Took me 91h to get the Platinum and be done. I'd give it a 9 personally.
Thanks for the fantastic reviews as always Joe. Always worth the wait!
I agree with you. This game is amazing and deserves a 9. The climbing was a nightmare though and riding a machine and looting was soo annoying
@JESQUESAN lmaooo this is also true but its a bit different in that game. That game is very slow so its understandable but horizon is fast, so you could only hope the looting would be fast too
Awesome review guys. I wish I could have the game and getting the same experience! Keep it up Joe!
I played every side mission and main mission and it took me 80 hours to complete. Considering the "opening" levels took roughly 8 hours to complete, its not that bad at pacing, if you end up playing the entire game.
I am only half way into the game but this absolutely nails it! I don’t want to talk to characters over and over only to forget the tribe or point 5 seconds later, just let me get out there and explore and kill some machines!
Dude the customer service dial up could've been done poorly, but it was a perfectly executed joke, that was really clever
I always get a pang of excitement whenever I see you’ve uploaded a review thank you guys for such awesome content !!
Cons would be traversal, some machines and quest design.
Don’t know how many times aloy won’t grab on to ledges she would be able too that are shorter than arms reach of her, so many yellows spots for her to grab on but she won’t and this happens constantly. Buttons aren’t that responsive when it comes to climbing and it feels slower in my opinion. Dropping down to certain surfaces in certain areas is hit or miss. She’ll tell you drop now, you drop, and she will miss whatever it is, fall and die. Happens multiple times. Free parkour also messes me up because she will also just miss platforms she has to walk on.
Some machines cover way too much ground that you can’t run away, sure they are suppose to be fast but if I feel like I’m getting my cheeks clapped, I wanna be able to run away. Can’t because some have some bs attacks with ridiculous hit detection, do certain moves where you can’t attack and when they knock you down good luck getting up fast enough to get to safety. I like a challenge and the game is challenging at times but there are too many moves you can’t dodge because of the size of some of these machines. Some don’t even have enough weak spots for you to do enough damage, you shot them off and now you’re left with just armor and you’re only doing 9 damage until it dies. That might be a nit pick
But quests… I hate the “search” something, someone or a way in quests. They will give you a wide area to search and your way in for example is perfectly blended in with the environment so you’re not sure what you are looking for. There are so many videos on TH-cam on some of these quests because they are frustrating. If the game “forces” the player base to look up the answers and ways in to certain areas then there is a flaw in the quest design. Some quests are bugged, the game won’t always tell you exactly what to do. You have to look at an area a specific way for her to say a dialog to update the quest (best way to explain without spoiling that mission)
The motion captured cutscenes are really cool and fluid ngl
And as always the robots seem very fun to fight
I can’t stop laughing at the huge nduck lips at 43:20!
Shame 90% of the game is just two people standing still talking to each other
@@ChubiceOfChunckle20 Ignorant take from an idiot like you who didn't play or played enough of the game.
@@ChubiceOfChunckle20 that's a lie
Just got the platinum for this game on PS4. The quality on the original PS4 was great (except for some bugs) so I'm so siked to finally get a PS5 and replay it!! What a great sequel!
Hope you guys have time set aside to try out the other releases in the past few weeks, surprisingly a lot of good titles so far this year.
I really enjoyed the first game and do think the strength of it lies in the combat. I think Aloy was a bit of a weak link though, it would’ve been more endearing I think if she was in awe of her surroundings or whenever she saw a new robot, rather than just unrealistically taking it in her stride. It would make more sense given she grew up in a valley with only one other person.
You clearly were paying no attention if you think that is supposed to be the case.
@@randomiser2267 ‘your opinion is wrong and you’re stupid’ good one 🙄
the game looks beautiful, but the world and story doesnt peak my interest at all.
A bit sad there was a small war between Elden Ring and Horizon. I’m sure both games are great
As a PlayStation gamer i can assure you BOTH games are worth full price
Played the game on PS4 Pro and had a blast with it! Loved the amount of lore dumps throughout the game. Looks looks incredible and runs smooth as well.. Apart from some audio issues and some black screens.
It runs at 30 fps , right..?
@@dandy6191 Yup. It's sold though
@@l.t.1305 i was surprised after I jumped into hfw after just finishing hzd to see that it runs a lot better even though it s much better looking.I m also playing on a ps4 slim which surprised me all the more
@@endriuzincenko64 It really is amazing the work they put into the game to make it look better and even run well in this old hardware. Hat's off to the devs for putting quality into their work
@@l.t.1305 tbh i had some nasty bugs in the first playthrough but most of them seem to be fixed now so props to guerilla for this too
As much as I want to love this game, I can’t deal with the main story. I’ve seen some people enjoy it which is great, but I could not get invested
Yeah felt the same way it's just go here and collect these gaia components and weird alien people. Huge step back in the story department. I loved the tribes though they were the only interesting thing for me in the story.
Yeah I think it's too much too.
I really love these review discussions I'll always love Joe's classic review format but I definitely don't mind these three just chilling and talking about it
He should call it a discussion rather than clickbaiting and calling it a angry review that he didn't want to give the effort to make.
I'm just glad that I got to finish the game before this review was uploaded. I enjoyed the game, but I'll admit there were stuff that bugged me. The ending for me was bitter sweet and one of the mechanics like her staying down for a long time (like more than three seconds) was annoying, but still is a great game for me. I would give it an 8/10.
Yeah, the ending kind of pissed me off tbh. Made me feel like all I did was for nothing
Hated the ending, but the world, the sound, the visuals and of course how addicting it is to destroy robo dinos
@@kennywilson5422 It was obviously done that way just to make a third game which I'm not a fan of
@@katakurifan5213 I’m not a fan of the franchise at all. This is the 1 Sony game I just can’t get behind. Well and TLOU2 but I atleast played it longer.
@@kennywilson5422 It wasn't all for nothing because with the Access of Apollo. Not only your select few companions can now know the truth of the past but a vast majority of the population of the world.
Of course, I am not expecting a sudden reunited world but rather a chilling one. Where I think, another complicated conflict can happen due to a lot of beliefs of various tribes will be proven false. I mean, you can't change the world overnight.
This is why me and my friend watch you guys, the pure gaming insight and comedy, keep up the EXCELLENT work!!!
I also really liked that they actually put real paintings from ‘rijksmuseum’ in the game which is a museum nearby the guerilla office
Everybody forgot about this game after Elden Ring lol.
I agree that like 60% of the dialogue of the game is unnesessary, but the dialogue with your base members is really great. Especially when you hear how they interact with each other like Zo hating Erind, Varl trying to be the mediator and mentor for everyone, and Tokallo interacting with Alva, with Alva getting obsessed over Tokallos new arm that you get to journey with him to get.
I just wish there is more companion sidequest or that they can follow you around and comment on things kinda like in Fallout 4.
Just seems like a waste of characters with all of them just loitering around in the base, exposition dumping onto you like a bored housewife talking about her day when her working husband, Aloy, gets home. Lol.
Good review. I enjoy the game. The graphics and gameplay was excellent. It had a few bugs but it didn't stop my experience. I knew the game wouldn't be good as the first one. The first was the story of Aloy origin and the world. It was great story and it had that emotional feeling to it. Second game couldn't match to it but it still told a great story. Enemies was unique and beautiful. Everybody have their own opinion but it is game worth buying.
It is better than the first one in every way though lol. Take the rose tinted glasses of and replay hzd after hfw and you will be shocked how much it improved upon.
good review? This clickbait quick poor "discussion" he threw together after having over a month with the game? You've got to be joking. Angry Joe already skipped out on a review for HZD due to "time constraints" and now he uploads this crap. At least call it a discussion instead of click baiting, it is NOT an "angry review". Sad, especially since he has the time to give these other crappy games like wonderlands full reviews. Lost any respect i had for joe.
The hive mind mentality with reviews is getting to be such a joke. People can't seem to grasp that an opinion is just an opinion. Story will always be subjective. Play it for yourself then decide. I appreciate Angry Joe's reviews however I have to disagree with his take on the story and he really lost me when he basically said the music was forgettable. I respect his opinion but this one was just too off base for me.
@@cirescythe its a different narrative. The first one the world was mysterious, u uncovered how things got to that point and how u fit into the world. In this one you know most of those answers so the world isn't nearly as mysterious. You've encounter dino mechs b4 and hostile ppl so its mostly familiar threats presented in a different way.
Considering this is GG's second open world game, despite the few cons regarding dialogue, it's another ball outta the park on this one.
Nice review guys ! I had a very random bug on PS4 PRO where she was jumping through hand holds on cliffs etc. It was a bit frustrating but plenty of other stuff to play till its fixed. That was 2 patches ago so it should be good to go now. I couldn't get into the dialog this time around either. None if was interesting and it all felt pointless after running through all choices, that said I'm only about halfway through but I'm not big on game storylines so its the rest of it that keeps me playing. The fact that she cant naturally mantle anything in the environment makes it feel really dated and clunky. Otherwise its a pretty good time.
The Decima engine truly is a masterclass when it comes to graphics. It's crazy that consoles are often pushing the limits with these games. They do come to PC after (and push it even further) but it's impressive what they do on a 500 dollar box in the first place.
The game has a lot of things of the agenda known as "The Message", so it's not really worth it.
@@ramonandrajo6348 come again?
This game is not pushing the limit of the ps5. It's barely even touching the limits.
@@godsson7779 You do know the game is also on PS4, right?
That’s why it didn’t push the limits. It was made cross-gen, not solely for PS5. Still looks more beautiful than a majority of other games.
@@jameshoffman9189 man's a conspiracy nut his made this comment on half dozen posts man needs to touch grass
Joe sums up exactly how I feel about the game, the meh characters. I like both games, but man as someone who values characters, none of them interest me at all. Alloy was cool after the realization of her belonging in HZD, but in FW she just becomes bland and uninteresting along with every other character in the game
I think one of the problem with these vast open world games is that you meet way too many characters, but each character only has a limited amount of "screen time". So, you don't get to have a relationship with them. They either don't develop as a character or their character development is way too fast.
That's why I think having the companions is a step in the right direction, but then they went and kept them all in the base. Should've allowed us to take one of them with us and have them commenting on stuff, like in Fallout 4. Or have a decent chunk of companion sidequest. Or at least have them follow us through the main quest and actually be of essential help (maybe they have abilities that Aloy doesn't to be used in the main quest storyline) instead of just loitering around in the base.
@@akmal94ibrahim I agree. Devs need to pay more attention to fiction standards. Character interplay shouldn't play such a minor role in open world games.
I set off to find a crab to craft a bigger ammo pouch, and i'm gone all day. I'm now over 200 hours in...
I feel the same, the game could easily be a 10/10 legendary game if they polish the story, and give us more interesting characters.
For Example in Zero Dawn, every faction was completely different(Banuk, Oseron, Carja, Nora), But in Forbidden West the Thenak are the same thing with different color pallets.
In ZD, the Banuk cover themselves from head to toe in Tick skin to keep themselves warned in the frozen cold *BUT* in FW The Sky Clan are barefoot, shirtless, and wear skirts while living in an cold mountain...
Exactly. The Tenakth are all the same but they’re seperated into 3 clans: Sky, Desert, & Lowland. They each have rituals & colors that make them distinct from each other, but they all follow similar rules.
It’s like the Carja & the Shadow Carja in the first game. They’re 2 factions of the same tribe & both worship the sun, but they have different colors & have different beliefs like how the Shadow Carja believe in the words of Avad’s father.
Thank you for the effort you put in joe. It really means a lot to us.
But don't all those dialog trees have a logo near the choice that immediately progresses you through the story so you can skip the 'lure' that surrounds it?
"Dialogue with unnecessary NPC horniness..."
Ha, just got to the Daunt a couple days ago, and I almost forgot Petra wanted a piece of her back in the first game, so I'm like, "Damn, Petra, chill."
Completely agree that the graphics in this game are a technical marvel... Those micro expressions and mannerisms they included are insane.. like the mannerism with her tongue slightly touching her lower lip while listening to that other character at 18:12 ... It's a total improvement from HZD where their expressions made them look mechanical.
I have to put down my 16yr old dog on a couple of hours, it's been an absolutely miserable day, I would never imagine that a f'ing stupid doritos taped to the side of OJs helmet would crack me up the way it did. Thank you guys, more of the reason I love your content. I needed that.
Sorry to hear about your dog, friend. I'm sure you gave them a great life. 16 is a good age, but I know that doesn't make it any easier.
I love this series so far and although I do agree that the dialogue can drag on at times, I don't understand how people fall off and get disinterested. This game does so many things very well and is more accessible than many similar games. It baffles me how some people downplay this game. But hey, that's just my opinion.
I love the story of this game and looked forward to the dialogue wheels. The gameplay and graphics were first rate. I enjoyed the music too. Especially during major fights. I do agree that Aloy talks too much to herself and directs you what to do too often. They need to tone this down. But overall, an incredible game and experience. Looking forward to the next one. 9.5/10
Aloy was a decent character in the first game, being the awkward loner exploring a strange new world.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work well in this game. The friends she made in the first game are eager to help her in this one, but she treats all of them like they're some great inconvenient burden. She's not the only one who's capable of fighting against machines and enemy tribes, however she is the only person with special DNA that lets her access and turn on certain ancient machinery, so all of them know that if she dies, they are all screwed. She should be willing to let everybody help at every opportunity not just for the sake of preserving her own life but because she knows how important her life is for the rest of the planet.
And then it's annoying how just everybody she meets likes her right off the bat even when she barely shows any respect. I'm still annoyed at the part where she blows up the fortress wall while there are guards standing on it and the people in town are just okay with it. That would have been like Aragorn blowing up Helm's Deep and then the Rohirim hail him as a hero while Theoden as a coward.
Disagree. The developers have thought of everything, and here's why.
Aloy's grew up an outcast and was deprived of communication with her peers, Rost raised her in such a way that she is well prepared and stubborn, always goes to her goal, no matter how impossible it may be. At the same time, frequent loneliness made her kind and sensitive to everyone who was in trouble. Aloy does not consider religious people stupid and although she understands that the real state of things is very different from their picture of the world, one must act carefully in this regard and explain everything as clearly as possible if the situation requires it.
In the Forbidden West, these aspects of it are being developed. The girl just rushes from one goal to another without even saying goodbye to her friends and believes that only she alone is able to fix everything. And when she gets into trouble and almost dies, her friends are nearby and intelligibly explain to Aloy that although she is a strong girl, she is not all-powerful. That you can’t take on such a big burden, but you need to rely more often on those who love you and work on a common cause together. Therefore, now they will never leave her behind and will help to the end. And Aloy in the start who literally wakes up alone is not the same person at the end of the game when she is act with her friends. The game literally says: "If you want to go fast - go alone. If you want to go far - go together."
I kind of agree.
Aloy was not as likable in this game.
That may just be her intended character, but it was just hard to like her as a protagonist when she could be so very arrogant even in situations she shouldn't be.
I get the vibe that the writers wanted to show "strong powerful protagonist," even at times when it doesn't work. Like arrogantly threatening 7 armed soldiers all by herself.
You look past that stuff in gameplay, but it doesn't really work in a scripted scene. It just comes off as dumb.
I don't know, it's generally fine, and it's a good game and story.
But after I played the DLC, it just sank in that the game is a bit meh. Something I didn't really notice until I came back later for DLC.
@@sawdust8691 She wasn't likable in either of the games. Condescending, treating men like crap. Not her fault though, the writers made sure that most male characters were either pure evil or extremely incompetent in every way, whereas the ladies are heroic and just. They didn't even try to hide the woke narrative.
It's good to see you doing more Angry Reviews instead of movie reviews, keep up the good work Joe and Crew!
Hats off to you Joe, the whole team has been great with all the reviews. Appreciate the hard work.
Hard Work? He gave it a half-effort "discussion" and clickbaits by calling it an angry review. You must be joking. Disappointed in Joe. Especially since he didn't make a review for the first one and took so long for this one. He gives trash games full reviews but couldn't give the effort to make one here? Sad he resorts to clickbait
@@madj7120 Joe is a Sony simp. He won't do that.
I distinctly remember wishing all of the tribal story stuff in HZD was gone and it was just you fighting dinos and discovering the truth about Zero Dawn.
Man it's hard because I give you guys all the gripes but when you actually compare it to literally any other game this is superior in so many ways. It actually game me more vivid dreams after playing too long because it's so ridiculously realized! It scares me lol
I actually didn't mind the dialog at all, but I absolutely love this world and the different cultures that inhabit it, so I'm more than happy to learn about it. I'm amazed by the Tenakth the most considering the origins of where they take inspiration from. It's impressive what they interpret out of what just seems ordinary to us.
They could take an example from mass Effect 1-3 that does maximum of 3 extended dialogue, that way people won't be pissed off about it
I had the same problem Joe had with the first game. Couldn't give a damn about any of the tribes and NPCs because they keep spouting expositions. Too much tell, too little show.
But this game got me interested in the tribes. There's more "show" in this game, and that lets me experience the backstory and lore instead of just listening to some random NPC talking about it. They still spout way too much expositions, but at least the expositions are optional dialogues.
i fall asleep during dialog options. you ask like 10 different questions each, but i forget all of them because it's told so poorly. Aloy is dull herself.
And you know all the internal tribe stuff doesnt matter since the world is ending, feels so inconsequential in comparison, but Aloy never says that.
i didnt mind the dialog because i wanted to know more as a story driven player of games it was great .. That said i can sort of see how it dragged on a bit with so much dialog and really pointless choice options.. every side quest has small cut scenes which really adds to the game .
i would give it a 9 out of 10 myself..
Its now in second place for my best ever games list mass effect 2 , forbidden west and witcher 3 !!
Yeah man, I'm in the camp of just f'ing loving the concept of us, our society, being the 'ancients' and the possibilities and potential of how we might be remembered and interpreted.
And also the analogy of how we likely misinterpret our own forebearers.
Its great. Aloy herself is... Quite an unlikeable douche I think, but her personality isn't that different to my own so.. Its funny in that way.
She's antisocial and isn't interested in people so much, which is OK, but she doesn't have to be so condescending to everyone, that is overly douchey imo.
... But also understandable actually given how she's used to having so much more knowledge than everyone else.
... And then I do really like how they've got a little 'UN' thing going on with each Tribe represented gaining knowledge to take back and educate the masses... There's so much potential, and I buy into the world and story.
Whereas for me, Harry Potter looks amazing, but it's not in a world I care about, here, I really like the world and all the Scifi it plays with.
Each to their own tho o course.
The dialogue is definitely niche stuff.
People forget that just because the dialog is there doesn’t mean you need to hear it all. Go with what you want and that should be sufficient. Only the lore starved people will listen to countless dialog options.
The lore is what makes me like these games. The world of horizon is very interesting when you read the texts and lore. I hope the dlc goes to the SPOILER:
Sirius colony. They kind of just brushed off how the zeniths created a god.
Agree. There is way too much talking and normally i like talking. But they drag thingd out way too much and sometimes it is not very interesting. Eben normal missions such as pit fightd drag out so much because of the dialogue. And aloy comments on eberything. Ebery single thing she does she says it. Sometimes less is more
@@angelgjr1999 but it is just too much. The game is sometimes filled with unnecessary dialogue and hundreds of logs. It is overwhelming. And sometimes not needed. The mist unimpirtant missions have so much dialogue it can be annoying
@@Revan-eb1wb You do know those logs are completely optional, right? You’re not forced to read them. They’re there to expand on the lore.
@@Phanthief95 thanks, captain obvious
My biggest theory as to why this games plot seems so bleh and uninteresting is its contrivance. I was sadly able to predict what was going to happen long before it even came up, and not just major plot points, but even the beat for beat rhythm at times. It made dialog and interacting with people that much more frustrating, because you already know what's coming and you're just asking yourself, "OK, so when to we get there?" And you keep rolling through that dialog hoping to catch a glimpse of the magic of the first game. In zero dawn you had mysteries and discoveries to carry you through the more generic moments. You were an agent acting in a world beyond your scope, and interactions with people were just you(the random variable) being weighted into what was otherwise the other persons motivations. Here, the game turns you into the constant. The world cannot exist without you in it, and the game constantly must remind you of it. Every characters motivations are centered around when and if aloy will come to their aid. It gets to a point where the contrivance, self-importance, and foreshadowing become arrogant and annoying. Even when there's a definitive and decent back plot to step outside of aloy's scope, the writing MUST bring it right back around to her. If zero dawn was a game of mystery and discovery, this game is cataloging and record keeping. I'd love to do a tear down video on the games story someday. Really good gameplay though!
TL;DR: Someone either focus tested too hard, or someone in charge of the money really crippled this games story.
Joe, I don't care what score you gave this game! All I care about is you finally reviewing a Horizon game! You may not have reviewed the first game but it warms my heart that you reviewed its sequel!
The story felt a bit rushed towards the end, and more underwhelming than the first... although the new tribes like the Tenakth and Utaru sure bring more world building, and their asthetics rock!
Hopefully for the third one we will get ACTUAL free climbing, less interrogation marks that are stupid treasure chest on the maps, and a well designed machine "pet" system, were you could mount, train, and be-friend any machine you hack
@@jesquesan well there's a DLC that is coming probably
@@jesquesan
Lmfao, how does Elden Ring or Dark Souls play in affect here?
@@enokdnb7388 cause most people were like wow HFW then Elden Ring came and no one talks or plays the game anymore
@@deadshot8032 cause elden ring is peak
@@deadshot8032
True, so much so the devs for HFW tried to dunk on Elden Ring 🤣
Overhyped? I don’t know about that, You have to remember that game came out 5 years ago. In 2017 standards back then it was pretty good. It’s kinda like playing Metal gear solid one and metal gear solid 2. Games came out 3 years apart and there was a MASSIVE difference. That’s simply evolution and glad to see guerrilla games is moving forward not backwards.
agreed, and first one had the story stuff very well done
This game is definitely overhyped, I’m at the last mission of the game and the story hasn’t blew me away. The strength is absolutely in the combat as the story and it’s characters are extremely forgettable. Guerrilla games had a chance to do something different and innovative with this game, but they played it too safe.
@@blitzofwar5435 Again arm chair quarterbacking. Also it’s entirely subjective. Just because you don’t care for the story doesn’t mean others don’t. And as the various millions upon millions of units sold and tons of awards and praise it received I think you’re definitely in the minority. Although I agree the gameplay is definitely the strong suit. Just like BOTW that released around the same time. Because that games narrative definitely isn’t “Innovative”
I think it had great combat music, especially for the big machines.
Just had an idea. How about nemesis and Ted faro join in some way and faro can be the character that represents nemesis in the 3rd game
I think that could be an awesome way to give nemesis an actually character to fight instead of just a faceless AI