I feel like the idea was that tiamat would kill this world and rule its remains while tehom would just bring everything back to the void in a way that nothing would remain
Beat Chaos last night and while it was fun to absolutely beat the shit out of that smug prick Mastema, this boss is a lot more thematically cooler. Hopefully we get an illustration of it soon.
Yoko's last stand. Tehom could've been the new final boss but due to the way the routes are set, the Chaos route would've gotten less technically. Tehom itself is more of an abstract concept (the word just means Abyss and is used to refer to the primal void before God made the world) but it works great, since Yoko has gone off the deep end both literally and figuratively in the narrative.
Not just a void but the primordial ocean When god divided the sky and the ocean during the creation of the earth he was actually creating the firmament to keep the primordial ocean (tehom) away and early abrahamic schoolars though that tehom still existed circulating both the earth and the heavens That might actually be the place lucifer takes you during his boss fight
Nope, they did get slayed, tye reason it went back into the void, it's because that's what tehom is lol. Tehom is the embodiment of Kather before the God of law created the universe. It's nothing in comparison to matter lucifer, Primal Satan, the great will, or the axiom.
@@kennethlatorre5269 Wrong. Tehom, literally, wasn't killed. It didn't even had Magatsuhi leaking, as every demon you kill has. She simply went back to the abyss. And meh TGW and Axiom, noncombatants that rely on avatars.
@@brtruev1710 The fact that the Axiom has to use avatars to even interact with the characters (Maruki and Stephen) shows that they're just a cut above the rest. Also TGW doesn't use avatars the same way that the axiom does; it only creates the YHVH heads to mimic the Axiom but it's only a pale imitation. You essentially fight The Great Will in SMTIVA when you go up to "YHVH's Universe" which is a void above The Atziluth but is entirely inferior to The Axiom which exists entirely outside the Tree of Life with the Tree of Life being only a infinitesimal structure imbedded within it. Tehom did not die either and is simply residing in a void that I assume also exists outside the Tree of Life that represents the anti-thesis of creation and existence.
@@MurphyTheFish It should be on those levels I feel if not stronger but Primal Satan is by far the strongest entity encountered in SMTVV with Shiva and Luci being second and third respectively.
The shifting weakness is really cool, shes very reminiscence of Nocturne's Noah in that sense and actually took a short while for me to catch onto this gimmick when I'm running full physical. Its a hell of a drag between casting King of Tales and Hell Thrust, thats for sure 😅 Players kept drawing comparisons between Tehom's design with either Merkabah or Shekinah, Im seeing a lot of Manitou from soul hacker instead.
@@jaffinator2166 that's debatable. M's Revelation is nice, but (her and) deepest void feels more like a conclusion. Due to having Yoko's leitmotif, it's like the overaching story is finally reaching the end.
I was almost going to say it looks like a strange parasite latched onto a fusion of Lucifer (Louis Cypher), Merkabah, and I guess Shekiniah, too. Strange Journey stuff is still strange to me.
@@yasahana4447 I didn't know the final boss in 2 had phases. you basically fight the same five bosses you would have fought had you gone neutral, whereas in Law you only have two boss fights, one of whom was retconned in. SMT IV *literally* gives Chaos the better final boss fight.
This was a fun boss definitely the better of the two although Mastema’s theme is a fucking banger. This fight reminded me of the super boss in Artificial Dream in Arcadia, though a lot easier, still a really fun fight that made me use my brain more than the rest of the game
@@kyrozudesoya1829Yeah, I wouldnt be mad if Atlus pulled a Capcom and port a SMT IV/Strange Journey Duology Collection to the switch cuz 3DS' time is fleeting
Not really a hard fight, honestly. The only real thing that can catch you out is her Magatsuhi skill (which hurts _a lot_ and will out and out kill you if you aren't guarding with full buffs/debuffs set). Aside from that she's just a typical Barion-skill spammer. She's got every elememt under the sun but she doesn't have any smart targeting so she very frequently attacks into nulls or repels. The only other annoyance factor is her passive, but even that can be kind of ignored if you go for physical damage. Oh, and on Godborn, I swear she's got the highest health out of any boss besides the superbosses. Got like several hundred thousand HP. Annoying but not dangerous. Just makes it a protracted fight. She's also got her other signature but both times I fought her she never used it. She also only used her Magatsuhi skill once, and Dekunda only once per fight too.
For Phys build enjoyers who have been figment slashing all previous bosses like butter: use items to exploit her weakness at least once per turn, otherwise she'll drain your MP like there's no tomorrow 🤡
@@ivanaugustobd I learned that the hard way. Turns out her AI uses skills depending on what you hit her with. Don't hit her with skills and just try to buff up and she'll spam the sweet merciful YHVH out of the Dek-skills, her other signature and sometimes Megidolaon.
I agree. She may have tons more health than any superboss, but in the end, she's not much of a threat. Just need to make sure you prepare yourself for the Inception of Chaos, Hence, Luminescent Mirage, and make all of your demons retreat (or guard) until the next turn.
If you're struggling with this boss, if you keep getting hit with Dekundas and Dekajas and her signature Almighty Drain, the trick to manipulating her AI is that she'll hit you with a -barion of whatever element you used last. Each turn, make sure to hit her with at least one element she's still weak to, and she'll cast that element instead of her nastier skills. (You can even use attack items, and nuke her with mainly Almighty damage demons. Knowledge Of Tools is busted strong). As her phases progress she'll start throwing in Physical and Almighty skills too, but not ones as nasty as her hasn't-been-hit AI. As for her Magatsuhi Skill, since it's Almighty you can't do the normal strategy of using a Block skill or a Dampener item. Consider giving the Nahobino his Kanabi Veil skill. Reducing that incoming damage makes it much easier to survive. Especially if you happen to bring a demon too weak to tank it, even buffed and blocking... ouch.
Or, instead of Kannabi Veil, have a Herald (Metatron, the four archangels, etc.) in your active party for the Magatsuhi skill Shield of God so you don't waste a turn (just need to have the gauge filled up) and don't take up a skill slot in the Nahobino's skill set. It's pretty much a better version of Kannabi Veil and reduces damage by 90% instead of 25%.
Oh my god, thank you. I kept getting Dekunda/Dekajad and that fucking Abyssal Reckoning made my demons almost immediately useless. Meaning whenever I got to ~25% Health (which took forever because no buffs) I end up with a stock that has 0 MP and slowly lose. Watching this video out of frustration almost made me scream at the monitor why Tehom isn't spamming those moves like he does against me, but your explanation made sense and that was my best guess as to how its AI works. Update: Easily cooked Tehom first try with that Knowledge (heh)
This was the most tedious and unforgiving boss fight I’ve ever encountered. I played on Casual with Level 77 demons and got it to Red Health, used my Magatsuhi skill too late and died as a result. Literally a damn hour and a half of my life is GONE.
Okay so this is what I was told Basically No Swiss army demons. 1 or 2 attacka or 1 buff/debuff and 1 attack the rest being passive abilities. Alwaye use pleroma passive both high and normal they stack. Also always use dragon eye with low accuracy abilities they will always hit with it. and stick to skill potential no fire on a 8- skill potential demon etc. This is info is from like 40 different people lol.
Tehom may be the single scariest thing in the smt universe. Every other higher being (Kagutsuchi and Lucifer as examples of what kind of scale we're on) actively gets their ass beaten by the protagonist and either adnits defeat or straight up dies. But Tehom just peaces out as if you did nothing to her. Not to mention that we don't know what her goals are. She could be an observer to the world, plotting to devour it or something else entirely and we'll never know. Probably my favorite boss because of all this.
The best team to take her down with ease is metatron , sandalphon , and lilith i attack with one weakness with each character like using one weakness attack from everyone make sure everyone has energy drain too , shield of god minimized the magatsuhi damage to like 40 and just rinse and repeat with the weaknesses one per turn and when your mp runs low with that demon use energy drain for health /mp recovery, when tehom attacks she will only use that weakness attack and megialdo not the other annoying one that drains you good luck !!
Try using the Kanabi Veil skill with the protagonist. It's like a Dampener item, but simply reduces all damage. Since Tehom's skill is Almighty, that's the best reduction you can get.
I've watched several vids on this battle and Tohem in many examples for some reason never uses Abyssal Beckoning, im border line giving up. I've recreated teams for this battle and in hopes of defeating tohem, but Abyssal beckoning (which no vid I've watched a player encounters) makes the battle a meme or something. Maybe it's bc im playing on Switch enimy AI could be different.. This single enemy move clutches any progress bc it drastically drains MP coupled w/ chance of sleep and before I know it I'm out of MP boost items doesn't help that it's health is absurdly high too battle drags out far too long. Great design, music is hypnotic. Unless someone knows of a solution I'm this close beating on hard lv 86 and irritates me to no end..
abyssal beckoning is used if you dont hit a weakness. you need to play tehom's game of turning all her weaknesses into drains, then block her magatsuhi skill
what could possibly be the reason to post this with the caption as a spoiler and the picture as another spoiler? you could've easily titled it SMT5V canon of vengeance final boss of whatever ending this is and get on with it, but you needed to spoil the final boss why? it's just a scummy activity lol
speak to one of the researchers in the diet building to get the tsukuyomi ultimus essence. I'm not sure if you need tsukuyomi to still be alive to get it, though. Once you've obtained it, it will be available to purchase in cadavers hollow.
![Shin Megami Tensei 4 Apocalypse 4 FINAL Boss YHVH [APOCALYPSE] [PEACE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dFuKLmruIzQ/mqdefault.jpg)
![SMTV: Vengeance - Level 999 Virtual Trainer Challenge Mode - Battles Of Two Goddesses [HARD]](/img/n.gif)
Yoko: Tiamat is literally unkillable don’t waste your time.
*Tiamat dies*
Yoko: Ok then here’s this other guy I know!
I feel like the idea was that tiamat would kill this world and rule its remains while tehom would just bring everything back to the void in a way that nothing would remain
Beat Chaos last night and while it was fun to absolutely beat the shit out of that smug prick Mastema, this boss is a lot more thematically cooler. Hopefully we get an illustration of it soon.
Yoko's last stand.
Tehom could've been the new final boss but due to the way the routes are set, the Chaos route would've gotten less technically.
Tehom itself is more of an abstract concept (the word just means Abyss and is used to refer to the primal void before God made the world) but it works great, since Yoko has gone off the deep end both literally and figuratively in the narrative.
This biatch thought she could kill a god with the thing that God curbstomped with a single phrase? She really WAS out of her mind.
Not just a void but the primordial ocean
When god divided the sky and the ocean during the creation of the earth he was actually creating the firmament to keep the primordial ocean (tehom) away and early abrahamic schoolars though that tehom still existed circulating both the earth and the heavens
That might actually be the place lucifer takes you during his boss fight
like someone else said, Nahobino didnt kill Tehom, they just felt that it's not worth to continue the battle and went back into the abyss
Nope, they did get slayed, tye reason it went back into the void, it's because that's what tehom is lol. Tehom is the embodiment of Kather before the God of law created the universe.
It's nothing in comparison to matter lucifer, Primal Satan, the great will, or the axiom.
@@kennethlatorre5269 Wrong. Tehom, literally, wasn't killed. It didn't even had Magatsuhi leaking, as every demon you kill has. She simply went back to the abyss.
And meh TGW and Axiom, noncombatants that rely on avatars.
@@kennethlatorre5269but it IS on the level of Yog-Sogoth (p2), Brahman, Azathoth, and other VERY op gods that exceed base form satan and Lucifer
@@brtruev1710 The fact that the Axiom has to use avatars to even interact with the characters (Maruki and Stephen) shows that they're just a cut above the rest. Also TGW doesn't use avatars the same way that the axiom does; it only creates the YHVH heads to mimic the Axiom but it's only a pale imitation. You essentially fight The Great Will in SMTIVA when you go up to "YHVH's Universe" which is a void above The Atziluth but is entirely inferior to The Axiom which exists entirely outside the Tree of Life with the Tree of Life being only a infinitesimal structure imbedded within it. Tehom did not die either and is simply residing in a void that I assume also exists outside the Tree of Life that represents the anti-thesis of creation and existence.
@@MurphyTheFish It should be on those levels I feel if not stronger but Primal Satan is by far the strongest entity encountered in SMTVV with Shiva and Luci being second and third respectively.
Tehom is watching...
The shifting weakness is really cool, shes very reminiscence of Nocturne's Noah in that sense and actually took a short while for me to catch onto this gimmick when I'm running full physical. Its a hell of a drag between casting King of Tales and Hell Thrust, thats for sure 😅 Players kept drawing comparisons between Tehom's design with either Merkabah or Shekinah, Im seeing a lot of Manitou from soul hacker instead.
And also YHVH in IVA
Actually shit my pants when it used Inception of Chaos. Best fight in the game, should've been the last one but at least true Lucifer is buffed ig
Yeah, this route easily got the better boss.
But Mastema got the better tunes 🎵
@@jaffinator2166 I can agree to that.
Mastema is the Mot in in this game
@@jaffinator2166 that's debatable. M's Revelation is nice, but (her and) deepest void feels more like a conclusion. Due to having Yoko's leitmotif, it's like the overaching story is finally reaching the end.
@@brtruev1710you're not wrong... But I was vibing way too hard to Mastemas so he got my vote for better battle theme 🤣🤣🕺🏿
This design reminds me so much of Shekinah
Doi literally went and made Shekinah 2
pretty much the face gave that impression
Shekinah + Merkabah (second form)
I was almost going to say it looks like a strange parasite latched onto a fusion of Lucifer (Louis Cypher), Merkabah, and I guess Shekiniah, too. Strange Journey stuff is still strange to me.
Feel like this was their idea
Law got this and we got an angry angel
Well, if you consider the NG+ reveal, Mastema would technically be higher than YHVH because of them being an agent of the Axiom
To be fair, law has historically gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to final bosses.
@@christopherbravo1813 1 Yeah, 2 Kinda all that happens is you miss out on the first phase, 4 no,
SJ Chaos got the short end of the stick.
@@yasahana4447 I didn't know the final boss in 2 had phases. you basically fight the same five bosses you would have fought had you gone neutral, whereas in Law you only have two boss fights, one of whom was retconned in.
SMT IV *literally* gives Chaos the better final boss fight.
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Basically Tehom's pose the whole time
Tehom is basically YHVH's evil brother, who YHVH had to fight in order to create the universe.
I want to know the lore of tehom, cause that design is so wicked and cool
It's the void that existed before creation, just given a form
Tehom looks more like Manitou than Merkabah imo. Amazing fight regardless
Merkabah's second form would beg to differ
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 I still hold my statement that Tehom has more in similar to Manitou
This was a fun boss definitely the better of the two although Mastema’s theme is a fucking banger. This fight reminded me of the super boss in Artificial Dream in Arcadia, though a lot easier, still a really fun fight that made me use my brain more than the rest of the game
Ah a Shinki enjoyer I see, 25000 health was a bitch to bring down but that fight was amazing like this one too
I sense a SJ remake in our future
I'll be happy with a port of Redux.
@@kyrozudesoya1829Yeah, I wouldnt be mad if Atlus pulled a Capcom and port a SMT IV/Strange Journey Duology Collection to the switch cuz 3DS' time is fleeting
@@glassbob9871 Fleeting? The 3Ds is already dead
If so, then hopefully Team Maniax isn't as bad at remakes as P-Studio is
Sj remake will maybe make demon coop actually fun
Played on Hard, was so close but then lost. The MP draining move is awful
Not really a hard fight, honestly. The only real thing that can catch you out is her Magatsuhi skill (which hurts _a lot_ and will out and out kill you if you aren't guarding with full buffs/debuffs set). Aside from that she's just a typical Barion-skill spammer. She's got every elememt under the sun but she doesn't have any smart targeting so she very frequently attacks into nulls or repels. The only other annoyance factor is her passive, but even that can be kind of ignored if you go for physical damage.
Oh, and on Godborn, I swear she's got the highest health out of any boss besides the superbosses. Got like several hundred thousand HP. Annoying but not dangerous. Just makes it a protracted fight.
She's also got her other signature but both times I fought her she never used it. She also only used her Magatsuhi skill once, and Dekunda only once per fight too.
For Phys build enjoyers who have been figment slashing all previous bosses like butter: use items to exploit her weakness at least once per turn, otherwise she'll drain your MP like there's no tomorrow 🤡
@@ivanaugustobd I learned that the hard way. Turns out her AI uses skills depending on what you hit her with. Don't hit her with skills and just try to buff up and she'll spam the sweet merciful YHVH out of the Dek-skills, her other signature and sometimes Megidolaon.
I agree. She may have tons more health than any superboss, but in the end, she's not much of a threat. Just need to make sure you prepare yourself for the Inception of Chaos, Hence, Luminescent Mirage, and make all of your demons retreat (or guard) until the next turn.
I feel scammed for getting mastema man
If you're struggling with this boss, if you keep getting hit with Dekundas and Dekajas and her signature Almighty Drain, the trick to manipulating her AI is that she'll hit you with a -barion of whatever element you used last. Each turn, make sure to hit her with at least one element she's still weak to, and she'll cast that element instead of her nastier skills. (You can even use attack items, and nuke her with mainly Almighty damage demons. Knowledge Of Tools is busted strong).
As her phases progress she'll start throwing in Physical and Almighty skills too, but not ones as nasty as her hasn't-been-hit AI.
As for her Magatsuhi Skill, since it's Almighty you can't do the normal strategy of using a Block skill or a Dampener item. Consider giving the Nahobino his Kanabi Veil skill. Reducing that incoming damage makes it much easier to survive. Especially if you happen to bring a demon too weak to tank it, even buffed and blocking... ouch.
Or, instead of Kannabi Veil, have a Herald (Metatron, the four archangels, etc.) in your active party for the Magatsuhi skill Shield of God so you don't waste a turn (just need to have the gauge filled up) and don't take up a skill slot in the Nahobino's skill set. It's pretty much a better version of Kannabi Veil and reduces damage by 90% instead of 25%.
@@gdlong1828 realized how life saving shield of god was cuz of this ty
Oh my god, thank you. I kept getting Dekunda/Dekajad and that fucking Abyssal Reckoning made my demons almost immediately useless. Meaning whenever I got to ~25% Health (which took forever because no buffs) I end up with a stock that has 0 MP and slowly lose. Watching this video out of frustration almost made me scream at the monitor why Tehom isn't spamming those moves like he does against me, but your explanation made sense and that was my best guess as to how its AI works.
Update: Easily cooked Tehom first try with that Knowledge (heh)
This was the most tedious and unforgiving boss fight I’ve ever encountered. I played on Casual with Level 77 demons and got it to Red Health, used my Magatsuhi skill too late and died as a result. Literally a damn hour and a half of my life is GONE.
Welcome to SMT.
Tips for building demons in general I wanna know how to do it for boss fights and hard mode
Don't skip on passives.
Okay so this is what I was told Basically No Swiss army demons. 1 or 2 attacka or 1 buff/debuff and 1 attack the rest being passive abilities. Alwaye use pleroma passive both high and normal they stack. Also always use dragon eye with low accuracy abilities they will always hit with it. and stick to skill potential no fire on a 8- skill potential demon etc. This is info is from like 40 different people lol.
Tehom may be the single scariest thing in the smt universe.
Every other higher being (Kagutsuchi and Lucifer as examples of what kind of scale we're on) actively gets their ass beaten by the protagonist and either adnits defeat or straight up dies. But Tehom just peaces out as if you did nothing to her.
Not to mention that we don't know what her goals are. She could be an observer to the world, plotting to devour it or something else entirely and we'll never know.
Probably my favorite boss because of all this.
The best team to take her down with ease is metatron , sandalphon , and lilith i attack with one weakness with each character like using one weakness attack from everyone make sure everyone has energy drain too , shield of god minimized the magatsuhi damage to like 40 and just rinse and repeat with the weaknesses one per turn and when your mp runs low with that demon use energy drain for health /mp recovery, when tehom attacks she will only use that weakness attack and megialdo not the other annoying one that drains you good luck !!
Igual que a Shekinah le gano con una piedra XD
Me lv ~80, why my team get magatsuhi skill inception of chaos get high damage, all die exception main char
Try using the Kanabi Veil skill with the protagonist. It's like a Dampener item, but simply reduces all damage. Since Tehom's skill is Almighty, that's the best reduction you can get.
@@mads_in_zeroI used the magatsuhi skill of the archangels, it's more or less the same
Best boss on the game
I've watched several vids on this battle and Tohem in many examples for some reason never uses Abyssal Beckoning, im border line giving up. I've recreated teams for this battle and in hopes of defeating tohem, but Abyssal beckoning (which no vid I've watched a player encounters) makes the battle a meme or something. Maybe it's bc im playing on Switch enimy AI could be different.. This single enemy move clutches any progress bc it drastically drains MP coupled w/ chance of sleep and before I know it I'm out of MP boost items doesn't help that it's health is absurdly high too battle drags out far too long. Great design, music is hypnotic. Unless someone knows of a solution I'm this close beating on hard lv 86 and irritates me to no end..
abyssal beckoning is used if you dont hit a weakness. you need to play tehom's game of turning all her weaknesses into drains, then block her magatsuhi skill
what could possibly be the reason to post this with the caption as a spoiler and the picture as another spoiler? you could've easily titled it SMT5V canon of vengeance final boss of whatever ending this is and get on with it, but you needed to spoil the final boss why? it's just a scummy activity lol
Boss needed more HP imo.
where Can i find skill Luminescent Mirage?
speak to one of the researchers in the diet building to get the tsukuyomi ultimus essence. I'm not sure if you need tsukuyomi to still be alive to get it, though. Once you've obtained it, it will be available to purchase in cadavers hollow.
You don't need Tsukuyomi to be alive, I think. On my playthrough, I went back to the diet building and talked to her and she gave me the final essence
I don't know what this is, but I hate it already.