Well no shit he’s a double agent for Satan he didn’t want to expose his true ability unless necessary. Given that he and Satan apparently exist outside of the whole cycle, probably not a good idea to have that information known
@@ubermaster1 No, he does. That's why he wants the Mandala system to continue. Mastema's only connection with Satan, AKA the reason why he is an ingredient for the Satan fusion, is because he, along with Lucifer and Samael, have an "Adversarial" role in the Bible, whether as a prosecutor or as an Archenemy.
@@ubermaster1 Mastema still works for the Great Will. That's why he wants the Mandala system to continue. His connection to Satan AKA the reason that he is one of the fusion ingredients, is because he, like Lucifer and Samael, take on "adversarial" roles in the Bible, whether as prosecutors or Archenemies.
Tiamat time, probably the real most hyped up moment by the game and trailers. She's got a new design based on the Soul Hackers one. Lahmu is her son but the two don't have any connection in this game, but they do share the gimmick of multi-limb bosses, with Lahmu having his tentacles and Tiamat the monster heads.
Im kinda sad shes mindless, i was expecting her to throw an absolute wrench in the plans only to find out the final stretch happens as is with minor changes, she deserves the smt4A cosmic egg level of dread
@@aokyoutsuki7744She's not Mindless. She is a primordial god that embodies the sea of chaos who's objective was to destroy the order of the Horned god. Her will is the will of the Qadistu and they embodies the serpents gods will as their Apostles. I like this approach to her better. She feels less human and more of a tool to bring chaos. No edgy monologues from her, we have Yoko and the Qadistu for that. Tho I kinda find it dum Mastema can control her but he is of a higher order than Abdiel.
@@anglosaxiphone8246 Mastema's lore says that he can control demons so you shouldn't be surprised at all that Mastema follows his lore when controlling Tiamat (he even says he has demons under his command in the demon haunt if among Kei Amemura's demon stock)
I didn't know how the Heads worked in my first fight against Tiamat and so on my second try, I literally counted the times I needed to kill off all the Heads. It's so crazy how many times I had to kill the Heads before they died for good, but the silver linning is that Tiamat can literally be killed almost straight away since she essentially has little to no more HP left. It also helped that this phenomenal music played for this battle.
The game outright tell you the mechanic if you use a Spyglass - The heads infinitely leech off HP from Tiamat to restore themselves until she has none to spare.
This game made me realize how important tiamat is to religion in general learning about tehom and stuff really makes it clear that religion as it is today wouldnt have been the same without tiamat I would even argue that her impact on the would was even greater then marduk itself
If the main character’s alignment is neutral up to that point, picking that option will get you the chaos ending. Same thing for picking the other option for the law ending. You don’t have any of those choice’s if you reach to the empyrean with law or chaos alignment.
@@notaheretic6675honestly always hated that if theres one thing i would change in tge franchise its that Even then i dont think smt 5 falls victim to that most of chaos choices werent really assholish or blunt just your belifs aligning more with chaos/law Its the early smt games that suffer a lot from that this kinda ruins the aligment system in smt 2 for me ngl
How does your team deal so much damage? Is this really on Hard difficulty? For example, at 11:20 your level 75 Odin hits the phys weak head for 791 damage with Gungnir+6. My Odin is level 85, but his Gungnir+6 only deals 596. Your Odin is buffed by Fairy Banquet, mine is buffed by 4x Luster Candy, which should be equal.
@@KurtSavage-uy7yx Each head has a weakness doesnt have to be force. 2nd phase she will always trigger a mediarama, and 3rd phase she will use her ice unique if your fully buffed more often. if your playing on hard, you want to focus the weakness on 1 or 2 heads and try to take 4k or 6k hp per turn. If you want to exploit this fight, try using the strategize method with arahabaki to nuke down heads with charge or concentrate switch.
aoe piercing skills are also really good, I used khonsu ra with heliopolis dawn and you can kill the heads in the same turn and thats like -6k hp for the main body in one go
Both Vengeance endings are True endings. Regular V gave us law, chaos, neutral, and True Neutral. Vengeance corrected this by adding True Law and True Chaos.
![Shin Megami Tensei 5 Vengeance - Boss Satan [HARD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lx5jOUKwPrs/mqdefault.jpg)
Well, at least they maintained the tradition of Mastema losing his shit when things don't go his way
This battle theme is absolutely fantastic and is probably one one of my favorites in MegaTen
Yeah that shit is just pure adrenaline and primal demonic rage as a beat and I love it
"You need to stop Tiamat."
"Actually I can just control her lol"
Well no shit he’s a double agent for Satan he didn’t want to expose his true ability unless necessary. Given that he and Satan apparently exist outside of the whole cycle, probably not a good idea to have that information known
@@JayC-e2u I thought Mastema usually works for the Great Will?
@@sparktwochristopher7240usually, yes. Just not in this particular game/situation
@@ubermaster1 No, he does. That's why he wants the Mandala system to continue. Mastema's only connection with Satan, AKA the reason why he is an ingredient for the Satan fusion, is because he, along with Lucifer and Samael, have an "Adversarial" role in the Bible, whether as a prosecutor or as an Archenemy.
@@ubermaster1 Mastema still works for the Great Will. That's why he wants the Mandala system to continue. His connection to Satan AKA the reason that he is one of the fusion ingredients, is because he, like Lucifer and Samael, take on "adversarial" roles in the Bible, whether as prosecutors or Archenemies.
26:51 that smile
bro, you have no idea how hype i was when MC reunites with Aogami again..
and also that Murakumo finisher is 🔥🔥🔥
Tiamat time, probably the real most hyped up moment by the game and trailers.
She's got a new design based on the Soul Hackers one.
Lahmu is her son but the two don't have any connection in this game, but they do share the gimmick of multi-limb bosses, with Lahmu having his tentacles and Tiamat the monster heads.
I love that design and Im mad its not a usable demon in the game.
Im kinda sad shes mindless, i was expecting her to throw an absolute wrench in the plans only to find out the final stretch happens as is with minor changes, she deserves the smt4A cosmic egg level of dread
@@aokyoutsuki7744She's not Mindless. She is a primordial god that embodies the sea of chaos who's objective was to destroy the order of the Horned god. Her will is the will of the Qadistu and they embodies the serpents gods will as their Apostles.
I like this approach to her better. She feels less human and more of a tool to bring chaos. No edgy monologues from her, we have Yoko and the Qadistu for that. Tho I kinda find it dum Mastema can control her but he is of a higher order than Abdiel.
@@anglosaxiphone8246 Mastema's lore says that he can control demons so you shouldn't be surprised at all that Mastema follows his lore when controlling Tiamat (he even says he has demons under his command in the demon haunt if among Kei Amemura's demon stock)
I didn't know how the Heads worked in my first fight against Tiamat and so on my second try, I literally counted the times I needed to kill off all the Heads. It's so crazy how many times I had to kill the Heads before they died for good, but the silver linning is that Tiamat can literally be killed almost straight away since she essentially has little to no more HP left. It also helped that this phenomenal music played for this battle.
The game outright tell you the mechanic if you use a Spyglass - The heads infinitely leech off HP from Tiamat to restore themselves until she has none to spare.
I personally ignored the heads and attacked her directly the whole fight. It was pretty doable, actually!
This game made me realize how important tiamat is to religion in general learning about tehom and stuff really makes it clear that religion as it is today wouldnt have been the same without tiamat
I would even argue that her impact on the would was even greater then marduk itself
So lucky I was in neutral state when i got here. No motivation to make another playthrough just to fight the boss of the other route. Lol.
Glad to know after investing all my damn essence on Tao that she will not be helpful in this battle ☺️
From what I hear, you get this ending if you tell Yoko "I'm glad you're okay" when she says she'll return the world to chaos.
No it's based on how many "blunt" responses you make over the course of the story, usually the bottommost answer gives you Chaos points
If the main character’s alignment is neutral up to that point, picking that option will get you the chaos ending. Same thing for picking the other option for the law ending. You don’t have any of those choice’s if you reach to the empyrean with law or chaos alignment.
Being complete ass is usually a good way to get chaos points in any smt game.
@@notaheretic6675honestly always hated that if theres one thing i would change in tge franchise its that
Even then i dont think smt 5 falls victim to that most of chaos choices werent really assholish or blunt just your belifs aligning more with chaos/law
Its the early smt games that suffer a lot from that this kinda ruins the aligment system in smt 2 for me ngl
@@valletas shoutouts to smt2 for giving you law points for freeing prisoners and chaos points for keeping them caged
You can do a lot of damage by reflecting Tiamat's Annihilation Ray: Tetrakarn+Rangda+Girimehkala+Mother Harlot.
Slime periapt. Slime bros for the win 😂
>tedious
bucketgetter will cry
Deus will nut to this shit
I killed one head and used Ikuyumi on Tiamots main body.
Hardest of the end bosses imo although I haven't fought Satan yet
I'm getting some serious deja vu.
Dragon Head went out in 2? I had to kill that Dragon 21 TIMES before it died for good!! WTF?!!
Why is Annihilation Ray a physical move? Shouldn't it be almighty or something? That's so underwhelming
It looks like it has pierce, though?
I think it doesn’t(?).
I saw one of the earlier releases somehow blocking the attack, but I could be wrong.
@@mrex666productions7 13:56 Nope. All of Buff's party resisted it.
Because the boss on law you fight after this has a similar move that is almighty
@@k-d969 It makes no sense since the Chaos one just does normal stuff
How does your team deal so much damage? Is this really on Hard difficulty?
For example, at 11:20 your level 75 Odin hits the phys weak head for 791 damage with Gungnir+6. My Odin is level 85, but his Gungnir+6 only deals 596. Your Odin is buffed by Fairy Banquet, mine is buffed by 4x Luster Candy, which should be equal.
high phys pleroma probably
I feel like neutral ending or something
Shiva wanted the same thing
yung men
Am i the only one that can't beat tiamat
Unfortunately yes
She keeps spamming heal on my game, guess magic force is better then Strength almighty...
@@KurtSavage-uy7yx
Each head has a weakness doesnt have to be force.
2nd phase she will always trigger a mediarama, and 3rd phase she will use her ice unique if your fully buffed more often.
if your playing on hard, you want to focus the weakness on 1 or 2 heads and try to take 4k or 6k hp per turn.
If you want to exploit this fight, try using the strategize method with arahabaki to nuke down heads with charge or concentrate switch.
aoe piercing skills are also really good, I used khonsu ra with heliopolis dawn and you can kill the heads in the same turn and thats like -6k hp for the main body in one go
I'd wished that vengeance will have a true ending
Both Vengeance endings are True endings. Regular V gave us law, chaos, neutral, and True Neutral. Vengeance corrected this by adding True Law and True Chaos.
@@DarkAdonisVyers fair enough