If You Want to Be a Therapist, Watch This | Being Well Podcast
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- Over the last 10 years interest in therapy has boomed, and with the greater demand for therapists more people than ever are considering pursuing a career in mental health. On today’s episode I talk to five therapists and therapists-in-training to learn the lessons they wish they’d known when they started.
Key Topics:
0:00 Intro
2:05 Rick Hanson
4:55 Key traits of good therapists
18:30 Questions a prospective therapist might not think to ask
26:05 Self-employment, emotional regulation, and boundaries
29:10 Efficacy, complacency, and respecting the craft
33:30 Lori Gottlieb
36:55 Emotional intimacy and human connection
40:25 Modalities
42:30 Vulnerability, uncertainty, and making mistakes
48:50 Terry Real
53:35 Learning how to heal yourself first
56:35 What therapy is actually like
1:00:40 Messiness
1:04:05 Elizabeth Ferreira
1:07:25 Somatics, and being yourself
1:13:00 How to suffer with someone, then let it move through you
1:18:25 Awareness and the bravery of owning what’s in the room
1:22:50 Chaos and loving yourself
1:29:35 Taylor Banfield
1:35:35 Sitting with a client for the first time
1:39:10 Choosing a specific career path
1:41:50 Working on boundaries
1:45:55 Recap
About our Guests: Rick Hanson is a psychologist, Senior Fellow at UC Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Center, New York Times best-selling author, and frequent guest on Being Well.
Lori Gottlieb is a practicing therapist in Los Angeles, and is the author of the bestseller Maybe You Should Talk to Someone.
Terry Real is a longtime clinician, the founder of the Relational Life Institute, and bestselling author of a number of books including Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship.
Elizabeth Ferreira is an associate somatic psychotherapist working in the San Francisco Bay Area. If you’d like to work with Elizabeth, you can reach out to her through her website or Instagram.
Taylor Banfield is a graduate student in the PsyD program at the Wright Institute in Berkeley, California.
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1:01:45, “All relationships are an endless dance of harmony, disharmony, and repair. Our culture doesn’t teach us how to deal with moving from disharmony into repair because it doesn’t honor disharmony to begin with.” 😮🎯🏆
Exactly. People just give up, don’t heal and move onto another relationship. Rinse and repeat.
I had an amazing relationship that I thought would last my lifetime and we went through some tricky things but rarely argued. When we went through a really rocky patch coupled with trauma all communication stopped. I pushed him away and lost him. As a result not only do I have deep regret over it ending but I’m also aware of
just how unhealed I am as a result. Learning how to overcome all types of disharmony is important and if outside counselling is needed that’s not a failure. Sometimes we need outside help 😢
As a person changing careers at 57 this was so helpful! I start my masters of CMHC this fall. This was one of the crucial podcasts for me prior to starting my training. You have given us a gift! Thank you to all the therapists and to you and your Dad!
Wow thats so imspiring thanks for sharing ... This is probably so exciting for you. So why what gave way to this? Im just intrigued.... Its incredibly brave bold and deep of u. U have more drive than most
I hope ur proud of urself
May u be blessed in all u do say and think i really am so happy and excited for u and y desrrve to hear thus cos thia is amazing and i dont think ppl understand juat how big this is.
Whatever it is that you want to do with this .... Do it. Dont doubt urself or quit ...may u be the answer and cure to the people whonseek u out. The type of help and guide they have veen searching for. Ur way should be unique to u so that u can help pthers who have been to the average joe but it disnt qork ao adapt ot to fit ur own approach. Well done🎉
Sorry i didnt feel like fixing my typos ...too much effort not worth the aftermath
I’m hoping to start the same type of program at age 55 (a few years from now) and find this podcast incredibly inspiring and encouraging. Wishing you the best in your training!
Can I ask which CMHC program? Online or in person? I’m 51 and looking at schools now.
Starting a grad program at 53 in the fall 2024
University of Wisconsin Parkside. Look at all of us. Its wonderful to see the pursuit of the this very meaningful way of being with people.
Wow. If Forrest never did another episode, this one is a crowning achievement IMO.
I agree. It is excellent!
I have zero interest of becoming a therapist, but this was still very nice to learn about. This should be a required video for psychology students.
i would love to have Rick as my supervisor. he's so deeply present and i love his blend of mindfulness, psychodynamics, practicality and humanity. always enjoy hearing his perspective as a therapist.
Great video, everyone should watch this before pursuing this career. I completed an MA in Counseling in May 2019 and passed the NCE in December of that year. The 700 hour clinical internship I completed as a grad student would not apply towards the 3,000 hour requirement due to state licensure rules changing while I was in school. I still haven't pursued my 3,000 hours of post-grad internship and at this stage of life don't think I will any time soon (maybe later, which requires re-taking the NCE because a passing grade is only valid for 5 years). Luckily I did not take on any debt to pursue the degree, but many of my classmates left with HUGE student loans and you must also keep in mind that you cannot just walk off the graduation stage and hang your shingle...you've still got literally years to go before you can even entertain the idea of opening your own practice.
I was living in a pretty saturated market for therapists in grad school and while I made some close connections with other students in my program, it felt like we'd all be in a scramble and competing to get clients once we graduated. I don't think that was the reality, but it sure felt that way! It's very true that the classes are the easy part...you are really just checking off boxes. The process of actually establishing your personal approach to working with clients takes many years of practice and refinement. You are ideally also constantly taking in new research to inform your therapeutic interventions. Not to mention a LOT of consultation with other therapists and your post-grad supervisor, who you are often paying a fee to if they are in private practice themselves. It's not an easy career to get started in, the degree really is just the very tip of the iceberg. Perfect grades don't necessarily translate to quality therapeutic skills.
Definitely make sure you understand all the technical ins and outs of what is required for licensure in your state...and if you are thinking about moving to a new state any time after you graduate...make sure you check that new state's licensure requirements. Because you might have to go BACK TO SCHOOL (yikes!!!) and earn more credits or re-do ALL of your post-grad internship hours if the new state has different rules (these are not weird outlier situations, it happens more often than you would think). It can be a can of worms.
Is that why you decided not to continue with the career?
This right here 🙏🙏🙏
@@Mara-om3je did you pursue the career and agree with this commenter?
There is a counseling pact that is in progress. Once it is fully established, you can work across state lines without having get licensure in the other states
Elizabeth always touches on my heartstrings ❤ Her vulnerability about the challenges of therapy and the work it takes to get there is so helpful and the most inspiring to me!
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This whole thing should be required viewing for all first-year therapy students. Everywhere.
I’m only 16 but I plan to be a psychologist or counselor and I’ve been researching and reading a lot on how to do this
This conversation was amazing ❤️🔥
I'm an early career psychologist (in Western Australia, recently completed my supervision hrs and nearly qualified). I love working with clients but I'm struggling to deal with and balance the mental and emotional load that goes with this work (that, as well as admin!! 😅😭).. I've been feeling a bit in crisis myself lately, like questioning whether I'm cut out for this, feeling like maybe I can't handle the pressure, maybe I'm burnt out already and I haven't even been doing the job that long etc..
But listening to the speakers was so validating and reassuring, each one had something different to share and they each touched on things that resonated so much and reminded me that you don't become a great therapist overnight, that it takes time like all things, to build the needed skills and resilience, and it's a journey that you take with clients as well, or like, whatever that expression is, "it's about the journey and not just the destination".
And I'll share one other quote that I came across in some training recently that really hit home for me:
"See the client as a sunset to be admired, rather than a math problem to solve".
Thank-you so much!
Wow! I found this so helpful. I am giving serious consideration to pursuing a second career as a therapist. The first person I shared this with- was my therapist☺️. Rick’s assertion to aspiring therapists really spoke to me. I’m passionate about mental health, helping others, and I believe I’d be really good at this. And selfishly, I think I’d get get a second chance at a fulfilling life. Thanks for putting this out there for people like me exploring this path. 🤗
This podcast was so helpful. And thank your dad for coming on and sharing. I am 48 just starting my life. Being dependent on past relationships and only knowing being a mother and home maker. I had expressed to people about wanting to try to become a therapist. And mostly got negative feedback. And i watched a few videos on TH-cam on the subject of this venture. Up to this video i had only heard people say don't do it. Dont go into that field. So iam so appreciative that you showed the positive side of all the hard work. ❤❤❤
I just wanted to reach out and deeply thank you for making this video/podcast. I listen from Apple Podcasts but came and found your video to leave this for you! This video may very well have changed my life. I have a BS and MS in Animal Science & Agriculture and I have really been considering the transition to this field in some way - I feel so much more supported by the universe after today! Ha! Thank you for your hand in that, very much. Your podcast is deeply inspiring and keeps me going through my days.
If you have any ideas on how to intertwine my background with therapy of some kind, definitely let me know! 😂 Best wishes to you and your father both.
This is awesome to hear! Really appreciate it.
Have you considered equine therapy?
1:12:55, “…now I trust people more with their own suffering.” 🎯🎯🎯
As a practicing therapist, I found this a very helpful, thought provoking conversation. Thank you!
Do you like the career would you do it again?
This was great , thank you. Lori’s book got me into becoming a therapist a few years ago and it was life changing.
As a practicing therapist working towards licensure, this video was very helpful. Thank you so much!
Super helpful, I’m considering transitioning from tech
Im halfway into my BA and am really looking forward to going into my Masters in 2 years. It’s a long process becoming a therapist but so so worth it from what I’m learning.
44 w two small kids and still have to do my undergrad this is so helpful
This is fantastic! I just applied and got accepted into a local program to work on my BA and then my MA after pursuing a different career. This answered so many questions I had and hadn't thought of yet. Cheers!
Listening to this again for the second time because it was so helpful and validating. I describe my career in mental health as an emotional rollercoaster with many ups and downs. I appreciate the honesty and insights offered by each guest.
I'm only "at the start" of the video and I love it! I find it so fair-for-people - to talk about therapists' effectiveness!
This was a brilliant podcast, thank you. You have a tenderness in approaching these conversations which made listening a genuine pleasure
I would love to be a therapist, my best friend of 15 years tells me I have the perfect temperament for it, but I’m 30, already have 22k in student loans for a communications degree, living alone, and working in customer service for 52k. To go back to school for two more years plus do a years long unpaid internship is just a huge barrier for me at this stage. :(
I’m 51. It’s not too late for you! If it feels right, go for it :)
You could try to get into a state college. That would be a lot cheaper.
There are paid internship
Look at all options. It can always be a longterm goal if now isn’t feasible 😊
I sell fishing bait to people on drugs, alcoholics, lawyers, doctors, and even the judge, All walks of life fish,, I've found that talking about life is the main thing we discuss ,, even more than how are the fish biting ,, I'm a magnet in my little store for people to come lay down their problems ,, I've thought of trying to make this a career,, but in the short of things ,, my personal lifes a wreck too,, So why not try to learn what therapist learn, to continue helping others, And also learn to help myself
I just found your channel today. I'm hoping to start my master's in counseling next fall, so this video was really helpful! Every "things you need to know if you want to become a therapist" video I watch, I become more sure of this career shift. Thank you 🙏🏻
SO many incredible one-liners in this video!
So glad you didn’t edit out the part that your dad said you might have to edit out
Loved this Forrest🙏
I found all the interviews held gems of insight into human nature and the nature of the therapeutic relationship but Elizabeth’s deeply thoughtful and embodied responses were GOLD to me as a student about to embark on my graduate counselling placement in Australia.
Your steady, optimistic, respectful and curious interviews provide both your guests and your audience the space to reflect and explore ideas in a wonderfully creative and collaborative way. Thanks for all you do🙌
I really enjoyed this presentation. Thank you Forrest, and thank you to your guest therapists.
I love Terry Real. His audiobook, Fierce Intimacy, is excellent.
Quick question: Should I get trained to reign in my impulses to fix people/give advice since it doesn’t come naturally or should I stick with my temperament and get a job where my impulses are ok like coaching, teaching, law? I do want to help people but maybe the latter option is best for me. Good video!
Thanks so much for this! I'm thinking of applying to grad school for psychology or Behavioral sciences. I read Lori Gottlieb's book Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough about 12 years ago after I ended a relationship. It was helpful in a way. That was back when she was still a writer/journalist, I believe.
I would love it if she revised it through the lens of her current training and experience and the lessons she's learned since writing it.😊
Thank you so much for all the effort you put into this!
Thank you so much for this! Particularly the part when your dad said that a lot of therapist a well meaning but the don’t hit the nail on the head a lot of the times felt so helpful for me as someone who felt so frustrated with the practice of therapy because I felt like I wasn’t getting the help I needed I felt seen by your dads statement ! I also got insight into how I could be a better therapist in pursuing this career path. Thank you so much!😊
Very helpful! Thank You! 💗
Thank you this video is so helpful !!
Lovely conversations. Thank you for producing such wonderful content. I genuinely feel grateful to know of your podcast and for the new knowledge I acquire each week.
That was so helpful. Thank you so much 🙏.
Wow wow I’ve been wanting to hear actual advice about everything that has to do with being a therapist and I had so many questions that I’m so grateful you’ve helped me finally find the answers to
So informative !!❤
I reallllllly love this episode
wow, i feel like your dad was speaking directly to me. I’d love to know people’s take on becoming an LMFT vs an LCSW. What’s the training difference and which does anyone prefer?
This is gold. Thank you.
Great video, thank you so much!!🙏🏼
This is the best convo!!!!!!
This was BRILLIANT!!! Thank you.
This is amazing thank you for this
I got so much value from this! Thank you so much!
Excellent podcast Forrest! First time on your channel. Glad I found it.
About to start grad school for an MSW and I found these conversations incredibly helpful and insightful. Thank you for creating and sharing this excellent resource!
That's really exciting, I hope you enjoy it.
I really love this content, it’s sooo insightful and honest. Thank you!
This is literally the most useful videos I have watched. Thank you for this.
It is very helpful and interesting. Thank you so much. ❤❤❤
this was so excellent. Learned so much and saved a bunch of money! Thanks!
Wait how did you save a bunch of money? Were you just talked out of pursuing a graduate degree?
@@gnomie2.0 Exactly! My sense of humor is highly ironic and may not be appreciated by everyone! I am 75, have no debt, no dependents, live an authentic life guided by my Inner Wisdom Guru!
Thank you,this really helped me in making decisions and considering to pursue it
Thank you for making this video. It’s given me a lot of info as I try deciding my next career!😊
Absolutely temperament and ability not to wear it and bring it home. These two seem to have good mix of logic and empathy if your over emotional or to analytical just not your field. Funny I feel the same about masseuse’s. I feel like there are really good ones that have the right hands, strength. Some just go through motions and you leave no better. Not sure why compare them.
*Close to my heart.* 💜
THANK YOU so much for making this video! Very helpful in helping me make a decision as to whether or not to go back to school.
Also your channel is amazing so happy I found it
Wow, i found sooo much value in this and will go back and listen again soon. I’m applying to grad school in the next few weeks. I’ve been trying to figure out what school to attend and if i want to get a masters in social work or counseling.
my question is does it matter which one to go into? if i get a MSW can i later do family therapy? or do I get a Masters in Family Therapy?
Honestly, I think MSW is better. Better and more diversified chances of employment. You can specialize in family therapy
It would be helpful for therapists to recognize when someone on the autism spectrum is sitting in front of them!
This was helpful
Amazing video as always! I was wondering, can therapists talk openely about their clients when going to therapy themselves? I hear a lot of therapists are clients in therapy too, and I imagine it could be a safe space to air out work related burdens and worries. But is that ok with confidentiality?
awesome!
Only 20 minutes in and this is so helpful!
Can you do part 2
TB seems fun
What is the box he recommends you buy to help with the exam?
The box… what is Rick Hanson talking about with this? Is that a specific thing? The old exam? How do you get it?
MAYBE YOU SHOULD TALK TO SOMEONE! THAT BOOK CHANGED MY LIFE
That has been my experience of therapists, most are not that good. And I was training to be a therapist so I have some inside knowledge. Supervision is very often not great, you are very isolated with little input from good therapists to learn from, and too many ppl enter the profession with significant mental health issues themselves.
33:03 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
What about a LCsW.
Omg Dr mark is your father isn’t he! You guys look so alike.
My faith in Therapists dissipated when , after 22 years in therapy, the counsellor of Woody Allen departed. When asked what they discussed about Allen’s affair and consequent marriage to his Korean adopted stepdaughter of his former wife, Mia Farrow, the Counsellor quickly responded: “ That didn’t come up”.
but would you stop going to restaurants if you had encountered just one you didn’t like the quality off
Laying on the couch is a body based work. Standard therapy is done face to face sitting down. Laying on the couch is actually an advanced technique, it’s far from the first thing that happens. Psychoanalysis has an awareness on the body of both the therapist and patient because of how the frame is kept. Laying on the couch and not looking at the therapist releases the patient from standard social norms and ways of being. It can bring about transference in a new way. You should really have an actual psychoanalyst on your podcast to dispel some of these misconceptions and myths about it. I think you’ll find what psychoanalysts ‘do’ is a lot more similar to other therapists than you realize.
Also laying on the couch has nothing to do with psychology like you formulated. Psychoanalysis ≠ psychology. Two different fields.
Also I like Terry, but his revelation that family therapy takes into account the context of a person is a little confusing. What did he think transference was? That’s exactly what transference teaches us. Attachment theory is born of psychoanalysis…
Edit: the talk with your partner about your own material.. again that’s countertransference, It’s an active part of psychoanalytic training. And of course it comes for any therapist regardless of training but it was deemphasized by mainstream modalities, psychology and psychiatry. I just find it interesting how you started the conversation implying psychoanalysis has nothing to offer and then ended talking about one of its core tenets. There are reasons you need to be in your own analysis to become a psychoanalyst.
It is not smart to make a person get those years of learning to become a therapist if this student is not be able to heal him/ herself at the first place. Too many sick dysfunctional doctors and therapists are actually broken and unhealed themselves. Then the got this degree to trying to heal others. That is messed up.
Counselors aren't saints.
The box? Does the text book have a name he just keeps saying The box...
What’s in the box???
Y’all, 57:25 took me OUT. 😂😂😂
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Is it mission impossible, on observing this profoundly sick and ugly society, on all levels, and getting worse. I think we have inhabited the planet since time immemorial 😮
Would never want to be a therapist
The somatic therapist is what is wrong with the current field of counselling… One side trying to be evidence based and real, the other daydreaming fairytale energies… Whilst saying other modalities aren’t aware of the client lol. Her answer to the last question, chaos was generic as the other guy who said it, but not liking yourself as a benchmark? Really? That’s most of the field she’s written off… that and the spiritual woo-woo. Bothered me, as it dilutes and poisons counselling for the rest of us.
This sounds like you’re a really bad practitioner. What a stupid comment.
The Rapist on training
Bro, good one.
The "likes" and the up-speak detracts from whatever the, younger, people were saying. It was difficult to take what they were saying seriously. The first three interviews were much more articulate, and intelligent sounding.
Sooooo many quotables in this but ima stop so I don’t annoy tf out of everybody
Haha you aren’t being annoying, I’m actually really loving your quote comments!
@@mielimedina3146 @SteveBurksMusic I agree! : - )
Terry at the end says -
“There’s NO such thing as an individual out of context.”
Blacklist exodus.
Therapist training is a bit of a Ponzi scheme. You need supervision. The supervisors are paid for the new intake. It’s a self- serving club. You probably spend more times and hours with Supervision than you do with patients because of the competition.
DON'T DO IT!