@@FieryRed_BE??? I don't see either of those anywhere in any of the material. Maybe some things that look similar-ish but definitely pass the squint test.
If Nintendo had anything to sue them for, then they would have done so 2 years ago when the game was announced. Edit: They are apparently suing Palworld over a patent now. Going to be interesting to find out what it is about, because since it's a patent lawsuit, it's not gonna be about designs.
People don't realize that using their own characters and ideas allows them to "clone" any game, except for content from other games. Gameplay and genre can be freely used without even minimal copyright from Nintendo.
I mean, I think if they can prove the models were made using Pokemon models, which some of them do look like they were, it can be a case for a lawsuit. Because you would not have access to the 3D models Pokemon uses unless you hacked the game and dumped it, which is illegal I think. But even legality aside, it is pretty clear to see most of the designs are straight up rip-offs of Pokemon, use assets ripped from Pokemon designs/models, and overall just follow the same design principles as Pokemon making it so their monsters have no originality. Temtem even did more than Palworld did
Frankly, Palworld is doing something that the fans of the Pokemon series have asked for forever now. Not the "with guns" part necessarily, but adding new and different concepts instead of just cloning the same game over and over but with more monsters each time.
I think Pokémon feels threatened by them bc they made something better than them. If that's the case, I say good bc all they do is rip the fans off with their subpar incomplete games that feel like a beta....
Then you have Nintendo fans sending death threats, grow the fuc up. People just don't know what copyright means, its not just mechanic or design but the overall product.
I prefer the term "Monster Tamer" over "Mon-like". Calling the genre Mon-likes makes it harder for other games in the genre to escape from Pokémon's shadow and mon is just short for monster anyway.
@@luissaumeth8000SMT invented it, but Pokemon became the prime example of the monster catching/trainer genre out of sheer popularity and large scale impact. You could argue Dragon Quest also implemented monsters as team members back in the day.
Let's be real here. Anyone can make a monster taming game, not just Pokémon. That's like Nintendo sueing Sega over Sonic because both Mario and Sonic are both platformer games.
@@Oreca2005 And keep in mind, Megami Tensei predates Pokemon by 9 years with Megami Tensei 1 releasing in 1987 while Pokemon Red and Blue didn't release until 1996. So if anything, Pokemon is the rip-off.
@@jmaster4941 the thing is Pokémon now a days have an entirely different tale system to modern smt and persona didn’t had abilities till royal I think And other factors to how the battles goes Weather Stat stages Terrain Turn order Is all different really
we as a species are habitual linesteppers to quote chappelle. this is what brought us everything from the wheel to the internet. curiosity killed the cat, but it also brought about everything we came to expect and enjoy.
Such as don’t challenge the laws that be - hehehehh… challenge the basis of IP law - why should an idea be treated like property? The same way we treat land?
Another way of putting it: Pikachu done in your own artstyle? Illegal. Cloning Pokemon's artstyle to make your own creature? Okay. Calling said creature a Pokemon? Illegal. Giving Pikachu blue fur, a beak, a beaver tail and koala ears? Okay. Doing it in Pokemon's artstyle? Also okay. Making a game around these creatures? Okay. Making a monster taming game around it? Okay. Calling that game Pokemon? Illegal. Not calling it Pokemon, but adding official Pokemon designs? Illegal. Adding official Pokemon in your own artstyle? Illegal. Changing their name before adding the Pokemon in your own artstyle? Risky. Making a Pokemon game, but not selling it for money? Risky. Receiving donations for making the game? Illegal. Paying other people with your own money to make a Pokemon game? Illegal. Making a Pokemon game, but getting donations for other semi-related projects? Extremely risky. Getting hired because of your experience making a fangame? Could count as making money off the IP. The Keyword is "could" Risky. Putting a Pokemon fangame on your resume? Risky. Making a Pokemon game, uploading footage of you making it and getting ad revenue from that? Could count as making money off the IP. Very Risky. Companies? Legally count as people. Are companies actually people? Legally irrelevant. Anything that's legal for you to do is legal for EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Epic Games, Microsoft, Disney, Warner Bros. and Amazon. Any rights you have also apply to a gigantic machine that can afford more lawyers than you. Companies don't just win legal cases by being proven innocent/proving their opponent guilty, they also win if their opponent goes bankrupt trying to fight a legal battle. Any rights you have are more powerful in the hands of a company.
Honestly I am just curious what law has stopped Companies from running for the US presidency yet. Edit: People keep trying to explain to me how lobbying works. I consider that common knowledge. I was thinking about it more from a marketing stunt angle. 'Buy X-Drink, The Drink you can vote into Office'. Something stupid like that.
@@dasirrlicht5415 Because it is far simpler to just bribe/pay/donate/launder money through a PAC to get the various government agents to do what you want. Heck, we've basically found out you can bribe the US Supreme Court justices with little to no consequences for you or those judges. And that's not even getting into things like former executives for, say, telecommunications companies being appointed to head the FCC...
@@dasirrlicht5415 With uncapped corporate lobbying, companies can influence the president's represented party, which is more useful to a private company than the presidency. They can then let the government wear the public backlash when the policies that are the result of said lobbying start inconveniencing the public.
One caviat is that if they didn't file for one of the pokemon design/name you could technically use that, but would need to search through the archives to see if you could or not. Obviously major ones like Pikachu and Charizard are registered as covered in the video but more obscure ones are not, again as covered in the video. I personally would recommend not doing that, but it could be done. They would then have to fight you over it and could win, but you would not be in the wrong, just likely to lose.
What matters at the end of the day is that this is a competitor, and competition means better products. Also this game is definitely what N as a child was convinced the Pokemon world is like
@@rrudeljr True, but the dex is also full of absolute nonsense as well. Like stuff that doesn't work in world either. It's not exactly a reliable source.
What he was convinced as a child... Have you READ some of the official pokedex entries? Drifloon straight up tries to kidnap children to take them to the afterlife. ther are more than a few entries that are just straight up dark. If pokemon was lore-accurate to the dex-entries, we would see straight up armies, in-game, trying to fight back against some of these monsters. Palworld is at least up-front about the violence you can expect from something like a territorial Buck with a 16+ point, razor sharp rack of antlers, charging at you with clear intent to harm.
@@zerosen2141 yep, I grew up playing the different versions as a teen and adult and it was surprising just how dark most of them could be and no one noticed or they kept pushing the games as meant for kids.
Low-key, the world of Pokémon is "edgier" under the surface because most of the games don't show the underbelly. You're able to travel the world at 10?? years old. Alright, that's not strange for some cultures (on a smaller scale) However, just outside most towns are fantabulous murder monsters who generally have a base instinct to hurt each other, and this is exploited for sport and the entertainment of humans the world over. There's a reason N believed in what he was doing.
The game feels like how a pokemon trainer in the show would survive, but in a slightly more harsh world. This dev teams understanding of copyright law loopholes is master class, haha
Didn't Digimon come out before pokemon? If pokemon copied digimon... what are they even complaining about? It's like Disney trying to sue someone for making a Brothers Grimm story, because they copied it first...
@@radagast7200iirc, I think by the time pokemon came out, digimon was still tamagatchi, but for boys. Could be wrong though. Even then digimon's mechanics and designs are still far different than anything pokemon at the time.
@@leedlebob2667 sure, but the mechanics aren't the question. Combining an element and animal together in a cartoon / cell shaded manner isn't something unique to pokemon. In fact, mythology is pretty old with it (not the cartoon part, obviously). Many pokemon are also based on Shinto spirits as well.
Pokemon doesn't own a Sub Genre the Monster Taming Genre actually predates Pokemon with Shin Megami Tensei actually not to mention a lot of Monster Taming Games range in different genres from a Metroidvania like Creature Keepers,RogueLite PatchQuest,Classic Pokemon Like Experience Coromon,and many more it is the most creative genre in my opinion not yo mention the Triple A Monster Taming Games like Dragon Quest Monsters/Jokers,Fossil Fighters which definitely deserves a Revival,Digimon,and Spectrobes.
I forgot to mention Monster Hunter Stories 1 and 2 r so good hope we get a 3rd game eventually.😅 Now good news for Yo Kai Watch in April it is getting a gameplay trailer for a new entry I intend to pick up Yo Kai watch 1 to play it before the new entry.
There was a patent by Namco that was for minigames during a loading screen which ended in 2015. Which would have been helpful for GTA Online when you were stuck in the clouds. But now games load so fast they don't need loading screens.
One of the tests used to determine if a work constitutes copyright infringement is whether or not it risks impacting the original by directly competing with it. If Nintendo sued Pocketpair over Palworld, they would have to either claim they themselves were at least considering making a survival-crafting Pokemon game with gun violence, which everyone knows would never happen, or they would have to admit in court that Palworld's existence doesn't really hurt the Pokemon franchise, handing them a huge win.
@@izzywoods794 I think it may have removed my first comment which linked the Nolo article I found this in, so in case the happens again here’s the important information without the link: We're concerned with Section 107 of the Copyright Act of 1976 (17 U.S.C. § 107), specifically the fourth factor that is to be considered: "4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." The article cites "the Harper & Row case", as relevant case law, which seems to refer to Harper & Row v. Nation Enterprises, 471 U.S. 539 (1985). Not quite the same type of (potential) copyright infringement we're dealing with here, since that case was regarding directly copying from a copyrighted work, but hopefully that's enough to get you started.
@@ProjectThunderclawWhat about the models that have the exact same silhouette? You can't just make a shooter with Mickey Mouse blatantly in it, looking the exact same, right?
@@ObsceneSuperMatt Having same silhouette will not work in court if the design is nothing like the original, copyright is not just the design but the overall product.
@@ObsceneSuperMatt that's a different question. There are four factors courts are supposed to consider when determining what constitutes fair use, and this is just one of them; "(4)the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." I'm not saying this means Pocketpair are completely home free, just that they have 1/4 on lock.
I love this game, but that will probably never be the case. What this could show nintendo and game freak however is how much extra money they are missing out on, and (in a twist of irony) what they can take from pal world to improve and add their own game.
I really hope Palworld doesn't get big, for a few different reasons, but I do hope it encourages more game devs to make monster catching games, a bit like how the ice was largely broken with platform fighters and Super Smash Bros.
Wish that were the case but it won’t happen. Their recent 3D games still sold amazingly despite the games glaring issues. People will still buy it out of brand recognition alone. As long as they make a ton of money they won’t care about quality.
The game is going to die out in 4 months, nice copium though bud. I did buy it so maybe gamefreak can get kinda scared and put pressure into their games, but the game is still ass.
Sounds like some game developers are looking at recent Pokémon games and thinking "I could do better than that". And they do. I hope Game Freak will try to make the next Pokémon games so much better that we go back to "Why would I play that monster-catching game when I could have more fun playing Pokémon".
Knowing Game Freak, they don't give a rat's ass about the players and only care about delivering half baked cans of garbage with 3 fps, because people buy it anyway. And sue anything and anyone that even remotely thinks about improving their formula.
I don't see how palworld is a competitor to Pokemon. I've been playing palworld for hours and the whole gameplay loop feels like other survival game like ark, rust or unturned. Sure, it has "Pokemon" in it that you have to catch but fundamentally it's very distant from what it feels to play Pokemon. That is my issue with people that are either angrily claiming it is a copy or happy with there being competition.
If by better you mean "actually fun to play", then yeah, I agree. Palworld is pretty much in alpha still and it somehow managed to be more fun to play than Gamefreak's latest release.
No one believed me when I said this: "Wrong, you can sue anyone for anything. If I was Nintendo, I'd sit back and watch the money printer print away, then take them for everything a year later. If you think Nintendo is just going to let them get away with this, you have no idea about their legal team. They will sue for anything; they probably make more money suing people than making games."
Not quite the same thing, but I really wish Warner Bros' hadn't patented the Nemesis System for the Mordor games. It's such a neat idea that I wish other games could use.
Not the only stupid copyright ether capcom had one on loading screen minigames ( fortunately ran out in 2015) and Nintendo actually owns one for sanity meters (the effects from internal darkness)
I think that's a misnomer. Because you can still make a system that is effectively similar. It's just that the exact implementation needs to be different. edit: typo
Let’s face it, with over 1,000 Pokémon around, if you a made creature for a Pokémon-derivative game, somebody is gonna believe that it’s a rip-off of Pokémon.
Part of what makes Palworld's gameplay different is that you continuously play as the character in combat scenarios. I don't mean like in Legends Arceus, but you are actively engaging in battles by attacking as the human player along with the OPTION to also battle alongside your Pal creatures.
@@Kamawan0 Yes. It never turns into a turn based battle, even when I summon a Daedra[em] to tank for me. I still have to dodgeroll, shoot, or slash in real time, like I'm playing Elden Ring or Skyrim, just with a summoner build.
To me it felt a lot like legends Arceus combined with games like raft or breath of the wild as well as farming games like harvest moon. I don't really know how to explain it, but palworld kinda feels like a fusion of those from a gameplay perspective. At least in the early game. I was obsessed with Legends Arceus when it released, so that was definitely one of the games I thought of when trying to figure out what games they took inspiration from. In terms of visuals, it does feel a little bit like an uncanny valley of it looks like pokemon but also not. It reminds me a bit of the fan eeveelutions I've been drawing. And some of the small fox creatures are definitely the type of stuff I would've come up with when making fan eeveelutions. It's a strange feeling for sure, but I'm fully aware that they couldn't have copied my works. It kinda feels like getting a look into what my art could be like if a 3d sculpter went wild with it and so the designs give me inspiration for more art pieces. It's a game that feels strange yet familiar. And that makes it so interesting
The problem with this video is that it states US and western copyright law and precedents. However, both Pocket Pair and Pokémon Company are based in Japan and that means if this case went to court, it would be Japanese court, acting according to Japanese copyright laws, which are way different than those we know in west. And, also, Japanese courts aren't bound by any precedent made in US or elsewhere in the world. Keep this in mind, when making jadgments.
yes but still they can't sue even in japanese standards if I recall correctly. I'd need to look again before stating anything fully but palworld is different from pokemon, it just has a similar style and catch concept and that's really it. Pokemon doesn't own the concept of catching cute monsters in a ball. thus why digimon and others like that exist still and are based in japan as well. That's based on my intuition though, i'd need to look through japanese copyright law again
@@Its_Asteria "but palworld is different from pokemon, it just has a similar style" some of Palworld's 3D models look to be near identical to ones from Pokemon, with VERY slight changes (i.e. tail/horn direction)
@@twiz66"Looking similar" is not enough. Lucario and Anubis is a good example. Putting them side-by-side, they look quite similar. But when you consider both are based on the Egyptian God Anubis, it's hard to argue that Palworld ripped off Pokémon.
@@twiz66 going by that logic pokemon is not original as they stolen a lot designs(by your logic) from Dragon Quest , and going further by that logic you cant steal style of something who was not original in first place.
I kind of like the idea of a few similar Pokemon look-alikes available to consumers. I feel the Pokemon games are slow to change partially because they're never challenged or in competition (e.g. Nintendo vs Sony vs Microsoft). I love playing Pokemon, but I've often wanted to try a monster-tamer game made by a larger company that isn't doing the same buggy game repeatedly for 25 years.
True I feel pokemon is so boring but people still buy it every year because it's the biggest version of that game and for nostalgia. I'm glad this game can take part of that market share. It's fundamentally the same game with slowly adding new systems. And this game is in Alpha but it works better than when Pokémon Scarlet and Violet was release week xD, but unfortunately I think Palworld is slightly too repetitive and needs some more content. Hoping for the best.
Art style is not protected by law. There is actually alot of artists out there who think it is protected. Also PalWorld can arguably be a sort of parody which would then be protected under fair use similar to court rulings on pornographic depictions of otherwise copyrighted characters; Rule 34 is basically considered parody.
@@Rejii16 Im not speaking for Japan. Im literally pointing out Japanese copyright law, and providing observation of said law in practice. Why're you trying to gatekeep? because you live there? The more caution foreigners take, the better it is. The law doesnt stop applying because someone is ignorant of it.
@@akuma2124 What an overreaction, you're not from Japan. It's perfectly fair for a local to say "You have a misunderstanding of our laws, do not speak on our behalf."
@@Rejii16 Correct me if I'm wrong, but Japan doesn't have fair use doctrine like the US at least from what I see in Subsection 5 of Chapter II in the Copyright Act(Act No. 52 of 2021), please don't hesitate to point me out if I made a mistake. From what I know, the reason Doujinshi's aren't sued left and right is because of Japanese culture, where if the Author/Owner doesn't care, it's not illegal but if they do, then it's illegal. What I have said is from my limited understanding, feel free to correct me.
Law of the Internet: No matter what the reason, some awful anti-social children with mental disorders on the Internet will make death threats, and in almost all cases they're not actually serious. Pointing them out will embolden them and telling them to stop will make it worse. The best thing to do is ignore them. They can't stand being ignored.
@@TT09B5 I was about to say. I don't care for the game as I see it as the next flavor of the week novelty that will soon fall into obscurity. Still I haven't noticed or even heard of these supposed treats till this comment.
most of my friends use it and almost every time they start a sentence with "I was on twitter and" it's about some pointless drama. Twitter is just a CoD lobby with a lot more people.
Nintendo can patent their specific designs, not the general concept of monster collecting. Just like Toyota can patent a specific camry sedan, not the general concept of a sedan.
They can *copyright* their designs, not a patent. If we're talking about the concept, Pokemon would've been sued a long time ago, they're, by no means, the first to do a monster collection game.
@@RedHatGuyYT I watched someone play a couple hours of this game, and the gameplay is nothing like any pokemon I've seen. We're talking start naked, gather stones and lumber for a crafting table and a fire so you don't get cold at night, make a club, axe, and pickaxe. Then start killing the animals for food. Eventually you get to capture them, but you use them for labor and need to craft beds for them and feed them so they can gather resources for you and defend you. Obviously it gets more advanced, but calling it anything like pokemon is hilarious.
Interesting discussion on what Pokemon names are and aren't trademarked; I imagine it would be very hard to trademark names that are based on reasonably common terms, like Farfetch'd, Weezing, and Mew, or close to such terms, such as Skitty, Shellos, Ducklett, and so forth
Various factors determine if someone has a stronger trademark or not. In Pokemon's case, the word Weezing alone might not be trademarked but the design + the name are. So say you made a shirt that has the image or symbols of a Weezing and clearly implies that it is a Weezing by the Pokemon Company then they may have grounds to sue you for trademark infringement or copyright infringement.
Anyone remember monster rancher? How you put in CD rom disks to get monsters from them. It came out before pokemon. - Digimon isn't older. But... Megaevolution? Hmm... even pokemon takes ideas from similar stuff. Allot of the stuff Digimon did. Pokemon did later. - Remember the little collectible rubber monster in my pockets? - Pocket monsters 👻 pokemon.
Another brilliant thing about adding guns into the mix is that it opens up the parody defense. In order to qualify as parody, you do have to have something to say about the original, but it doesn't have to be particularly sophisticated. Juxtaposing adorable pokemonesque designs with incredible violence is not only funny, it's funny specifically because it shines a light on how aggressively, almost pathologically family-friendly Pokemon is, and how that's kind of weird for a franchise that's ultimately about competing in superpowered cockfights.
there’s no parody or fair use laws in japan. if palworld is found out to be using even a portion of a model or design from a pokémon game it will be shut down as they are japanese games.
@@derpythean-comdoge8608 Question though, that might shutdown the japaneese market, but would it really prevent them from continuing abroad? And if not, then suing them in Japan could end up making even more marketing for Palworld. With the violence, Palworld is most likely not going to target the younger audience so they might not even be gaming for the same players to begin with.
One thing I was thinking about earlier, is Pokeballs. To me pokeballs act like traps from Ghostbusters, except for throwing the Trap under the creature, you throw the trap at the creature. That mechanic in Ghostbusters came out decade before Pokemon was a concept. A Pokeball is just an advanced ghost trap.
@@Anthonyspartan514 Also when you compare Dragon quest vs Pokémon creatures you find quite a many very very similar looking creatures. They quite obviously redrew many of them just in more cutesy/simply art style and turned those to pocket monsters.
@@tubetorpedo You don't understand that's an argument AGAINST palworld. They couldn't even be bothered to even make a new art style, it's literally HIRE THIS MAN styled realistic textured for no Pokemon made from sold assets. Which is already a thing anyway with Pokken.
A former legal clerk in Nintendo legal department said he had seen over a thousand cases of Pokemon imitation games but only a few were successfully prosecuted for copyright infringement.
@@AQuestionerNo, a CND is just a warning letter, and most people that get one don't want to go to court, hence why "*only a few were successfully prosecuted for copyright infringement*" because they just don't want to deal with the trouble of fighting against Nintendo.
The first thing I saw of this game was an unknowing Vinny Vinesauce instinctively punching an approaching sheep in the face and laughing before proceeding to beat it up and roll it down a hill. No idea if the game is any good but I'm sure to remember it
My first exposure was from a link to his stream on the Vinemon Discord. I saw Ralph Bluetawn 2 and that was all I needed to know that the game was good.
This is why larger companies have large legal teams and rarely, if ever, run into the same issue fan games and indie games run into. They can turn around and ask the legal team "We cool? We good?" and proceed if they get the thumbs up.
The issue with indie games isn't usually that they don't have the legal backing to stand up to big companies, because legit original games almost never get that kind of attention. It's fangames that use existing IPs that get the wrath of the people who own those IPs. And sometimes that means things you don't think about, like patents on game mechanics.
@@OtakuUnitedStudioI mean that's the answer Nintendo's legal team would give, yes. Of course every single derivative work they've tried to take down has actually been infringing their IP, I'm sure being a huge company with a huge legal team has no chance of winning them any fights they don't rightfully deserve to win s/.
Pocketpair better hope they have an impressive legal team on retainer because they are going to need someone with a lot of resources to go up against Nintendo in Japan.
@@Lindsey_Lockwood That's the thing, Nintendo hasn't done ANYTHING. There is NO Fair Use in Japan but Nintendo hasn't lifted a single finger since Palworld's announcement in 2021.
@@Mahbu If I was Nintendo legal I would let them make as much off the title as possible then when the hype dies down you swoop in and grab the whole bag. If they stopped them now they would be limiting the amount they can make in the lawsuit.
Here's the thing. Is Rootbeer, the same as ginger ale? Using a few brief words, yeah. They're both sodas, that incorporate a root as a spice/flavor. Across the board, no they are not the same.
Lol but these aren't even in the same genre. You might as well as say they infringed on Minecraft's IP too since you can chop down trees and build stuff.
@@fairypabu well they'll tell you the EVs, IVs, ins and outs of how the game works and every meta strategy. But yeah they might as well be a bag of nails
My sone and I played it all weekend. It’s a phenomenal game. My son owns, at least, one copy of every Pokémon story game. He’s not old enough to have been around for them, but he asked for the older games for birthdays and Christmas. He loves Palworld. The only Pokémon game I’ve ever played was Pokken Tournament. It was fun. The game I remember was Monster Rancher, from the PS1 days. Every monster was hiding in one of your CDs. Pop it in the tray and see what you get… it was so great. Palworld hits me like that one. The fact I can play it with my sone makes it even better.
if he's not old enough to have played the previous pokemon versions, then oyu're an irresponsible parent giving him access to palworld says the pegi for the game is extremely inaccurate. then again americans love their guns.
@@ejokurirulezzwhat? Red and Blue are 28 years old. Hell, even gen 5 is 14 years old. Their son could easily be 18 and not played anything before gen 6.
@@ejokurirulezz and who are you to say this person is irresponsible? you are on the internet saying what people should and shouldn't do with THEIR child. He is SITTING THERE. WITH THE CHILD.
Y'all remember TemTem? That Not-Pokemon but with cards instead of balls? Yeah... As long as it's legally distinct _enough,_ the law can't do anything. There's a whole compilation of offbrand products you can find and laugh at. "It's not Pokemon, it's Mokepon. Go, Kicaphu, I choose you!"
The problem Pokémon has with their case is that a whole lot, if not all then most, of the Pokémon are based on creatures or things found in the real world. Palworld can use the same case for the similarities that they’re both deriving inspiration from the same source.
But Pal world Traced the Models of Some Pokemon, and that is a Smoking gun for a Copyright Case. I saw the Images of the Serpirior Looking Pal Model and that it is just the Serpirior Model Traced and Puffed up a little. And the Game can be as Fun as Possible, this is Theaft and Shuld not be tolerated.
Sometimes the word "ripoff" gets used loosely It happens with pokemon/digimon (24+ years ongoing) It happens with Capcom/SNK/FGC It happens alot in the Shonen Anime community Because (popular) thing and Brand loyalty?
Look at the Palmmon designs and look at the Pokemon designs. It is pretty blatant it is a rip off from the design language used in Palmons. This is something that isn't present in Digimon or even something like Temtem, and the comparisons people make with Pokemon and Digimon are people who aren't fans of either and just hear their similar names and them having similar combat gameplay systems. this isn't being used loosely. I don't think Palworld as a game is a rip off of Pokemon, but it is pretty clear the designs of Palmons ARE a rip off. There shouldn't be 20+ "original monsters" in their roster whose designs are either partially or fully copies of existing pokemon (and no, I do not mean concept, I mean literal designs).
@@dorkenspache8353While SOME designs are pretty inspired by Pokémon, there are a ton of designs that are pretty unique, not to mention that you can basically fuse different Pals to make others. If you want to argue some designs are ripoffs, sure? But they’re different enough and the game plays basically nothing like Pokémon outside of being a monster tamer. Like yeah, Luxray I guess, but Luxray in Pokémon sucks and is wasted potential already so I’m pretty fine with another game taking the same idea and doing it better. We’re also talking about Pokémon, the games notorious for being extremely unpolished because devs don’t take enough time to make them yet still make billions, so I really don’t care if a few designs get snatched up from lazy people at GF and Pokémon Company.
@@chadachi3970 All that yapping to excuse the devs of this game being so lazy they couldn't even develop their own unique design language for their monsters
@@dorkenspache8353 I don't see you coming up with any counter arguments, besides when there are over 1000 Pokemon you are bound to find some similarities to other creatures from other games, there are only so many designs before you reach the realm or ridiculous designs.
@@mesmorrow Explain how games like Digimon and Temtem were able to create a large roster of monsters to collect and tame without them being derivative of Pokemon, with the only exception being that one platypus Fakemon that was only put into Temtem because of a kickstarter reward? How come they were able to develop their own unique design language for their monsters meanwhile Palworld has suspiciously similar design language to Pokemon, woith some monsters being near direct model edits of Pokemon?
@@dantepaz5028 yes but the devs said spesifically there wont be "turn pvp on, go nuts" options. It was never intended. there will be arenas for dueling for fun. Or perhaps even "accept duel" type of thing in the open world. Mut nothing will be behind that content that you already cant get somewhere else. pvp will come but not in form of rust/ark or similar. Its just for fun.
People forget there's many other monster games, Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Yo-kai Watch and many more. So there's plenty of sources to get create ideas from.
The majority of them still proceeded pokemon. A lot of people seem to forget that (not that I really care, but it's true) calling this a "ripoff" is a joke
@@AllHailSeizure90 Yeah kinda like What's difference with Call of duty and Modern warfare games? or your "Scary Movies" or other Parody Films? It's just Who can do a Better or Worst job, and that's the point too. Who's Hamburgers "taste" better? Mcdonald's? or Burger King's? or something?
@@bobbynick5358 call of duty and modern warfare are the same game. Long story short: Call of Duty has a few developers making titles for their brand. The modern warfare series was by Infinity Ward, Black Ops by Treyarch, as well as other titles by both and one by Sledgehammer but still under Call of Duty.
@@ChunkyCoffee I meant Medal of honor, not Modern warfare. as Medal of honor use to be different until it want to be more like Call of Duty, then both seems to be no differences.
It's great that Palworld seems to be taking off too. Maybe Nintendo will actually spend time developing higher quality pokemon games if there's more competition
It all depends on the player base of Palworld. Pokemon is a juggernaut with a higher player base than Palword (I know that's not a fair comparison since Palword just came out, but it's doing good since its initial launch). If Palword can grow and maintain a consistent base throughout its lifespan, then yeah Nintendo and TPCI might have actual competition on their hands, and they'll give Game Freak the resources they need to make a good and stable game.
They are very different games. Nintendo has been making great Pokemon games. Pokemon Legends Arceus is very fun and went beyond the traditional Pokemon gameplay, so I imagine they will continue to explore that.
One thing. Stop calling monster tamers "mon-likes" Tamer games have been around for way way longer than pokemon, and by calling all games "mon-like" your potentially just giving gamefreak more ammo to take these games down in court, since fans are calling games "mon-like" nintendo can then argue through the words of the fan base that these other monster tamers used their intellectual property to popularize their own game hence causing damage to the pokemon brand (no way is it true but it is a defence they can try when everyone is claiming other games are mon like)
Monster tamers and mon-like are different categories. Any game about taming things is a monster tamer. But only the one primarily inspired by pokemon, like temtem or palworld, are mons-like. Pokemon is the franchise with the biggest revenue of all, so most people will compare it with any game that has a great resemblance.
After watching dozens of mind numbing reaction/theory videos about the Palworld drama... I feel like my brain just drank a healing potion lol. Thank you for this based video :)
This video is poorly researched. The problem with Palworld is that they literally ripped models straight from Pokemon SW or SV. The fact that they have some designs that resemble Pokemon is not very interesting. This video spent 10 minutes saying basically nothing whilst not even addressing the issue of directly using models made by Gamefreak.
Yeah if just making a monster collecting game was an issue in of itself I wouldn't imagine that Nintendo would have allowed Nexomon, Coromon, Cassette Beasts and Temtem (just to name a few) to be sold on their e-shop. I think the only reason Palworld likely won't make it to the Switch is hardware limitations rather than copyright laws and/or trademarks.
Especially Nexomon and Temtem. I don't thu k they even hide that they are a monsters tramer game that copy pokemon. Nexomon feel like a game that doesn't take it serious and now what it is.
If there's a reason (other than hardware), I'd say it's because some pals are INSULTINGLY close their Pokemon "inspiration". Cassette Beasts has almost as many Beasts as Gen I Pokemon, but don't resemble any Pokemon. Meanwhile I can point to Pokemon that resemble every pal at 12:10 I mean, most are fine (Leezpunk's color scheme doesn't make them a Toxtricity knock-off, Direhowl is a generic wolf that doesn't even look like lycanroc and Tombat looks closer to FF's Cait Siths), but you gotta admit making Grizzbolt the face seems deliberate.
I find it really weird that so many Pokemon fans are upset by this game, when those same fans have been crying for something new for over a decade. You can still love Pokemon, and you can love this too. In fact, this game is good for Pokemon. This kind of popularity just shows that fans want more than what Game Freak is doing, and it should help push Pokemon in a new direction.
That's the strangest thing to me, by far. After I got into Dark Souls, I wasn't offended by all the copy-cats. Nobody was. We just made fun of the bad ones and embraced the good ones. Nintendo fans are like the football fans of gaming: territorial, super competitive and unreasonably proud of the brand they support. Also, hilariously ignorant of how gaming works as an industry, in a somewhat quaint way.
im a pokemon fan, and ive been enjoying palworld more than i have enjoyed pokemon since the DS days. i was a fan of even pokemon xd and all those i liked when they tried to change the pace. but nope they jsut keep doign same thing over and over
@@darkmodeenjoyer3367while they didn't use AI your argument is stupid because AI users are precisely infamous for not being open about it and trying to hide it as much as they can, so while they "have to" mention it, they definitely would have not.
From what I have seen the Pokémon fans are loving this game it's the wannabe fans who get offended by anything even though they never played the games.
"Why is Palworld getting a pass when so many other fangames have been taken down?" I'm gonna correct you here. Only like 2 or 3 fangames have actually been hit with C&D orders by Nintendo and TPC because they directly used the Pokemon name and officially licensed Pokemon designs in their games while profiting off of it...technically. Pokemon Uranium and Pokemon Prism were fangames that had their own individual download pages, which is unlike other fangames/romhacks that usually have their games listed on database type websites for download. Because of this, that meant if they were to monetize their pages in any way it would be considered copyright infringement, which is why they were taken down. Apparently they had ads running on the website which is how Nintendo was able to put the hammer down on them. However the fact that only those fangames. Brick Bronze is a Roblox Fangame that got hit with one as well, though since I'm not a Roblox Player I'm not exactly sure why. Pokecommunity also says there were takedown request for a few rom hacks, but the website doesn't make it clear who sent the takedown request (whether it was Nintendo or the rom hack creators), so I don't consider those ones in this list. But in short, people act like Pokemon sends C&D orders to fangames because of popularity when the vast minority of fangames and rom hacks have been taken down. They can't really legally fight a case for copyright with most fan games since they don't make any money at all, meaning it wouldn't be worth the cost in legal fees to take them to court or even get an official C&D order out if someone isn't even profiting off of the copyright infringement. Like think about it, if it was just popularity then rom hacks like Pokemon Clover and Radical Red or fangames like Pokemon Reborn or Insurgence would've been taken down too by now, there is no way they don't know about these considering how popular they are in the Pokemon community.
They used protected materials. Thats how they got struck. Its like what he said at the end of the video. Just don't use the word pokemon or anything affiliated with it in your game.
@@hikaru9624 They used protected materials AND made money doing so which I think is the issue. Though I think there are a few cases with Palworld that look so similar to existing Pokemon that those specific ones might get legally fought for, like the grass rabbit that looks like Cinderace or the electric hedgehog that looks like Shaymin. They might not be able to C&D the entire game, but they might be able to force them to remove Palmons that are egregious in how similar they are to official Pokemon
Also for the case of Brick Bronze, it's the same reason. The game have some in game purchase you can buy using robux such as exp share and higher shiny rates. If you didn't know, Robux is the currency of Roblox, using real life money to buy it. That Robux can also be used to gain real world money as well
@@naganut9718 Thanks for the clarification! I saw a lot of people just claiming it was because it was popular, but I knew there had to be some other reason
Palworld has used similar designs to Pokemon BUT they haven’t used Pokemon. I heard a line - Pokemon own Wooloo but they can’t own the design of a basic cheep… And since Palworld uses their own looking sheep, it’s legal
As a long lasting pokemon fan, this game is amazing 😁it has all the fun an cutesiness of pokemon and keeps a very nostalgic feel while adding elements of more modern likings within the gaming community, ie guns, lots of guns and other weapons. It honestly is such a fantastic game and I am absolutely addicted to it lol
Temtem is pretty good too! It’s got that more pokemonish feel. But I agree, haven’t had this much fun with a mon game since like way back in the 3rd days! Palworld is awesome!
To be honest... unlocking the meat cleaver was odd. I don't think anyone ever butchered pokemon. Although... they did eat meat... oh, man... my childhood just took a hit.
A lot of Pokémon fans did the same with digimon, neopets and several other monster games and anime’s back in the day as well. But we all forget that for this game, Pokémon has been watching it since its announcement years back. If anything they only sent several cease and desists to some pal designs that resembled too closely to the Pokémon. Other than that, you can be inspired by the pokemans and still make monsters that look similar but are entirely not that. Just like digimon, neopets, youkai watch, monster rancher and another game that more resembles Pokémon than Palworld: TemTem.
I think this is one of the most well put-together and explanatory video's on the subject. If we were talking strictly Gameplay, TemTem is much closer to how pokemon is in that sense. If anything, Palworld's closer to Digimon World: Next Order in terms of gameplay because you don't explicitly command your Pal to attack with a certain attack, instead, the pal is mostly autonomous and you can issue Basic commands. This added in with the fact that it's a Survival Game that takes a lot from ARK: Survival Evolved. I'd say the primary problem people are having is exactly as stated, the artstyle is very similar. None of the Pal's would look out of place in a pokemon game, with a few exceptions of course. The game takes 2 genre's and combined the together in a fun and interesting way. Monster Tamer+Survival Builder. It's actually pretty danged fun imo. And, I own EVERY SINGLE POKEMON GAME. From D/P/Pt to Scarlet and Violet, I own them all. What really irks me about pokemon is that afew year's ago they released the worst optimized, poorly performing and underwhelming game they have EVER released. Scarlet and Violet are a disgrace. The problem is that the Pokemon Company has for nearly 2 decades recycled the same theme, the same gameplay with little to no innovation whatsoever. That wasn't a problem for me for awhile, I liked pretty much every Pokemon game to an extent, it get's a little tiresome and repetitive but I loved it. The problem, primarily came with Sword and Shield. Recylced Theming from past entries, uninspired game mechanic replacing a game mechanic the majority of the Fanbase enjoyed(Gigantimax replacing Mega Evolution.), boring and frankly not very good looking "Open World", cutting the pokedex in half which isn't a Precedent in the franchise. Digimon has more Digimon than Pokemon has Pokemon, but Digimon has a Precedent where you only see about 50% of all digimon or less in whatever game, pokemon doesn't. I dealt with it and played the game though, sword and shield though felt really...boring. Then I got Legends: Arceus and i was like FINALLY SOMETHING ORIGINAL! It was fun, engaging, catching pokemon was more immersive and fun than ever before, the game's good. But then Scarlet and Violet came out and goddamn do I hate that I gave them my money. The game barely functions, to this day nearly 2 year's later it has horrifically awful performance issue's on the only console it was made for. The game looks pretty good overall, despite the low-res texture's, story is much better and I love the changes in formula we got. But, for every good thing Scarlet and Violet did, it took away other's. Still a limited Pokedex, character customization is actually less than past entries when it comes to clothing, only options being fking shoes, gloves and hats. Terrastilizing replacing Gigantimax was a net gain but no return of Mega Evolution. The Open World is large and expansive BUT, it functions the same as it did in Sword and Shield when it comes to catching, not the MUCH MUCH better Legends: Arceus. The fact is that Pokemon has been releasing a New Game every year since 1996. And it shows. They refuse to innovate and expand the formula or stick with things that landed well and worked. But, being that it's Pokemon, they'll never lose any money even for making an egregiously bad game that barely functions. Captalism, with all it's flaws, also opens the door to Competitive Market's. Because of that, Palworld doing so well SHOULD help push Pokemon to step up their game and Nintendo to do whatever they can to not lose to them. Tbh, this shouldn't even be a problem, in a perfect world Nintendo and Pokemon would make Pokemon game's so astronimicaly good that no indie competitor would have a chance, but, they aren't and they need to.
It’s insane how people are defending an 88 billion dollar brand like Pokémon and seems hopeful that Nintendo will sue Palworld into the ground, they did the same thing with Monster Hunter Stories 1, Temtem, Nexomon and others, Pokémon fans have really become a cult over the past decade and everything has to be a copy of Pokémon or be review bombed and or DDoS attacked which has happened in the past. I have never seen such concentrated effort to prop up a video game franchise in the past despite the Call of Duty fans, the World of Warcraft apologists, or the League of Legends toxic community, Pokemon fans are hands down the most twisted and sick fandom I have yet to see, and I been playing video games for many years now.
@@commonviewer2488damn right, and they even ignore things that actually *PREDATE* pokemon that are in the genre, such as shin megami tensei and dragon quest 5
@@Realperson16 That's because most of the cult like fans you see today only came around during the 5th or 6th Pokemon games generations, this behaviour did not exist in the past 13 years ago and earlier.
I've been an avid Pokémon fan since it first debuted in the states and I can confidently say that the fandom is large enough for people to bear witness to a twisted, toxic variation of fans. But, the reality of it is most fans love Pokémon AND other games, especially creature collectors. Just about every fan I know enjoys TemTem, Nexomon, Shin Megami Tensei, you name it. Myself included. We also love and actively play a plethora of other genres too. Just watch nearly any Pokétuber and take note of their respective communities - widely diverse to say the least. Most people I see bashing "clones" of Pokémon also dislike Pokémon, so that's something else to consider.
I don’t know why Palworld is suddenly bringing this question up. We’ve had tons of Pokémon-likes such as Nexomon, Coromon, Temtem, and lots more; some of which are even on the Nintendo switch.
A ton of the pals in this game have had their models rip straight from older pokemon games. The pal that look like luxray was put side by side with a the actual luxray and it's almost 1 to 1 except for the small differences the pals team made to avoid copyright infringement.
Tons of butthurt Pokemon fans hate to see other game did better than Pokemon SV & Legends of Arceus in terms of open world. While Ark fans rejoice that Palworld has everything they wanted in Ark Survival Evolved/Ascended.
Subconsciously, everyone who """honestly""" believes this is copyright infringement knows it isn't. They want to pretend it is because of Pokémon has been heavily criticized in the last few years for not trying anything new and Palworld is proof that Pokémon absolutely could try to, but simply chooses not to. Nintendo channels will swear this isn't true for totally "legitimate" financial reasons, but the truth is there are plenty of other franchises that make less money than Pokémon, so when they try to shake up the formula or push a major innovation, they had it much harder than Pokémon does, yet they still do it okay. Which franchises am I referring to? *ALL OF THEM* There is no franchise, not video game franchise mind you, franchise in general, that makes more money than Pokémon. Pokémon makes more money than Marvel. Pokémon makes more money than Spongebob and Harry Potter. Pokémon makes more money than Minecraft, Among Us and Fortnite. Pokémon is, literally, the largest franchise in existence. A lack of funding sounds like a Gamefreak and Nintendo problem, not a money problem. It blows my mind anyone would say it's too expensive to put more money in Pokémon when they human race has never written a bigger money-making franchise in its entire existence. Literally any franchise that ever changes its formula ever, anywhere, at all, even slightly, disproves this argument because ALL OF THEM MAKE LESS MONEY. Pokemon's fanbase screams "copyright" specifically because they know it does not violate any copyright. The goal is not to actually "prove" any sort of copyright violation, it's to destroy the thing that is hurting their religion.
@@shadowpiplup if that's true, than something will be done about it because I assume they can trace the data if it is the actual model. But if it is just recreated from scratch?- than who knows. Besides, pretty sure there is only so many ways you can create a ray like fish before it end sup similar to another medium.
@@Dartanyan_1 I feel like what Nintendo will do is try to get all the pals that ripped models from their games removed since it's their models that are being used without permission. The rest of the gameplay is different enough where the legally ok.
... I mean without watching this video I can answer this question by saying it likely legal for the exact same reason that the entire monster taming genre as a whole is legal because they aren't Pokemon, it's own unique thing. Surely there was nobody actually confused about this, right? I mean if they were, they must be people who also don't know that monster taming games that aren't Pokemon exist.
Considering many call Digimon a rip-off despite Pokemon not even being the first monster taming game, there are plenty of people butthurt about other monster taming games sadly.
I honestly do think it's lack of familiarity. People always try to relate new games to what they know of, so they'll come up with comparisons to games that have only extremely surface-level similarities. I've pretty often found myself squinting and going "wait, what?" with some of the ones I've seen people come up with. With this one I've brought up Temtem a lot as a "if they didn't sue Temtem they can't sue Palworld" example and *so* many people have never even heard of that, even though it's a pretty popular game - and it's even available on the Switch, so Nintendo isn't trying to pretend it doesn't exist or anything.
If Palworld really takes off which I’m thinking it will, I really hope it’ll be a wake up call to GameFreak. Personally I’ve been having more fun with Palworld than I have with the last 4 generations of Pokémon.
If you haven't, check out other monster catcher franchises like SMT, Persona, Digimon, Monster Hunter Stories, etc. As someone who played those before actually finishing a Pokemon game, they're just more fun and interesting imo.
A similar example is Them's Fighting Herds, which was a MLP fighting game, but was initially shut down by MLP. They got back and changed the character designs to be legally distinct, and now the game's released out in the wild
Gamers when they find out genres exist and games can be in the same genre (Like the whole tf2 clone argument whenever a team based shooter is released)
People are being super reductive when it comes to comparing Pals to Pokemon. I have seen many videos now where the person is like 'Hey, that is a !' and I just don't see it. Is it because it is standing on two legs and is yellow? They are all unique designs but use a similar art style, so people just become face blind or something so they can feel special 'spotting' something familiar
Tbh, i am getting sick and tired of such mindsets, as much as i like pokemon on its own, it doesnt mean people can tear apart anything and everything in the genre just because it has even one thing similar and ignore all else When will people (especially in the west, where i live) finally realise that you can have monsters that fight eachother and it not be pokemon?!
I think it might be a sign of affection sometimes - I love Wooloo and I watched the trailer and thought "Aww, that fluffy one looks like a Wooloo! I want one now!"
@@headphonesaxolotl The difference is that some people see a creature that looks like Wooloo and get angry, they start contacting Nintendo to take down the game and try to review bomb it and so on.
I'd say no they can't sue it's similar but distinct enough to be different for example it's actually a different genre of game closest to ark or rust just swap dinosaurs/zombies to "pals"
Except they can sue if the designs of the Pals are the same, which is the case with a Dark Fur Dog, which has the exact same body shape, exact same pose and the exact same white fur around the neck as Dusk Lycanroc. That one is a 1:1 rip-off.
They can sue though... there's no limitation preventing them from bringing it to court and asking for a jury decision. Are you 100% sure a jury would find no similarities? Would you bet your life on that?
Ironically, Game Freak suing Pocketpair for patent infringement (i think thats the term). Apprently Game Freak hasnt disclosed what patent they had infringed, and Pocketpair doesnt know it either. But the PP attorney has a theory its the "Pokeball or Catch Em patent". Throw ball, catch creature. But, it might even be catch creature with an item general. If its throw ball, then it might be (loose quote, might be) easy to just change the shape of the pal sphere. If not, then Catch Em games could be in trouble. I dont know about games like Digimon, Nexomon, Coromon, Temtem, Ooblets, Casette Beasts, etc for they have Catch Em. But some arent Japanese, and some dont have "throw thing, catch thing". And all of them dont have a sphere (at least last i checked). Another thing is Game Freak made the patent in December of 2021, months after the announcement of Palworld (June 2021) and they're throwing the book now after Palworld just got their game on PS5. So legally, it is patentable because its a game mechanic. But at the same time, if its the core Throw Item and Catch Them, then many games in the future, especially smaller indie games, can suffer because of this dumb patent. But if its just sphere, that can be worked around as long as no one else patents Capture by Dance, Capture by Recording, Capture by Download, Capture by Triangle, Capture by Card, etc.
I don't think people have problems with the fact that there's someone who made a monster catching game or the "artstyle". That's not the point. I believe people have problems with the fact, that ideas and designs were copied and stolen - in many cases even 1:1. That's not an artstyle issue. There's no problem with getting a bit of inspiration from other games, but copy-paste is another story. AI might've been involved, too. Also, looking at the history of the company that made Palworld... well, it doesn't look like they like to work much, but rather just steal and make easy money from that. The problem isn't just, that these monsters look like Pokemon, it's that they are Pokemon - some with more changes, some with less. Apparently, Rowlet or Torchic are 1:1 copies, but not just their model, but even their animations, too. The audacity... So I believe they could get into trouble with that squint test for sure. But not only the squint test, I believe: As you said, it's fine to get inspiration, e.g. from another book, but it's not okay to just copy parts of it - aka. derivative work. Ideas are fine, but designs are copyright, and it's pretty obvious they didn't just mimic an artstyle. They just copied designs - as mentioned above, 1:1 in several cases. I think anyone who ever designed or created something original, if it's an idea or art or whatever, should be angry at the behaviour of this company. Additionally, anyone who cares about quality should, too. Because this game didn't take much effort, but only the hard work of copying someone else's homework. So in my opinion, they surely deserve to get sued to hell. Let them make the same game again but actually put effort into it and make original designs. I'd gladly spend money on that - not on that level of plagiarism though.
I believe this is why only a minority of people are actually angry at this, because we've actually created things and would not be happy if someone had stolen our works without permission.
What do you mean? Nintendo doesnt own the monster catching genre though. Gameplay is different, idea is different. It's just inspired, not copy pasted.
@@paulogonzales847 Not sure if you're just a troll or this is bait, but no one just argues that the gameplay is copied from Pokemon. Other games were much closer in gameplay to Pokemon. This game closer to something like Ark+BOTW+Pokemon, or not necessarily even Pokemon, but the monster-tamer genre. i don't see the Copyright/Pokemon defenders argue with such BS. I only hear these weak arguments from the palworld/plagiarism defenders. Seems like some are trying to come up with dumb "arguments" to ridicule the others. Talking to palworld/plagiarism defenders really feels like talking to some sort of flat-earther or climate change denier. It's quite insane and sad to see. People are not necessarily unhappy about the gameplay, but about exact copies of designs - not general ideas or the gameplay. Getting inspiration to make something new and original is fine, simply copying someone else's work isn't, and it surely doesn't deserve any praise - rather the opposite. It's lazy and far from creative.
agreed. just look at the fact Nintendo is leaving these developers alone, but is actively persuing legal actions against modders trying to replace palworld creatures with actual pokemon is telling enough. Nintendo know they wont win a suit against palworld so they go after modders that actualy uses pokemon and try to turn palworld into pokemon.
Regarding trademarks there are two different types of trademarks. There are registered trademarks which will have the circle R symbol. And then there are unregistered common law trademarks which you'll often see with a TM symbol. You do not need to register a trademark to use the TM symbol, so just because you can't find a trademark in a database that doesn't mean it's necessarily available. It's just not registered.
Here's what I think Nintendo: We're sueing Palworld for copying designs. Dragon Quest: Go on, keep talking, I'm liking where this is going on. Nintendo: Maybe not.
What I would like to know is if AI generation was used in creating the designs (specifically the designs) of Pals. I've heard people say that the devs have said the models were all made in-house (though i can't seem to find that, all I can find is the director saying that slanderous comments and death threats have been made towards the artists), and while I do find that questionable given just _how_ similar some Pal models are to Pokemon counterparts, that's for TPC to find out about. However, between the very similar design elements seen in Pals, the director having endorsed AI himself, and PocketPair's previous work also using AI, it would be very _easy_ to believe that AI was used to take those elements from Pokemon and mix them into what we see in Palworld. And if it _is_ the case that AI was used, I'm pretty sure this would be one of the (if not the) biggest examples of that. In that case, it would be the perfect time to come to a decision on what an ethical use of AI for the purposes of art would be. I know a lot of people don't care because its happening to Pokemon, and while I understand the "stick it to the man" mentality, this didn't _have_ to happen to Pokemon. This kind of situation could very easily be reversed, where it's a large company taking from smaller teams, and it's that possibility that's why I want a legal decision to be made.
Oh god PLEASE let this be true! I truly hope this game gets far and doesnt get sued into oblivion... Thank you for this video it really brought hope to me.(Lets just hope Greedendo doesnt sink its teeth into it)😇
@@supaded973 And there are tons of Pals that look nothing like Pokemon. I could easily go into Temtem and use the same "logic" people are using to bash palworlds designs. Look, a fire lion! Clearly a rip off. Ohh, a fancy bird! also a rip off. A yellow bug with four legs? A muscular biepedal creature with four arms? Wow guys, so original! See, when you break down someones designs into it's basics and try to claim they are just copies, all you're seeing is something a little familiar. Pokemon owns none of the above concepts and if you compared the designs of these similar looking creatures between Temtem and Pokemon you'd be able to tell them apart. The same goes for Palworld. A lot of the people crying "omg, this was copied!" are pointing out general design aspects or things the company cannot claim as their own. Anubis and Lucario are very different, their ONLY similarity is that they are bipedal canines. You can't own a hair style, you can't own the idea of horns, or eyes, or hands, or feathers.
It's lowkey sad that diehard Pokemon fans consistently contacted The Pokemon Company to do something about Palworld, only for them to basically say "Yes, we've heard about Palworld but unless they are using our Pokemon, that's when we'll take action."
the only hope for Nintendo, is trying to prove that the meshes used for the characters are indeed rips of their own meshes, from their Pokemon releases. and that's a stretch.
As my uncle is a patent lawyer his statements of why certain companies are hell bent on firing lawsuits on any and everyone whom they even deem is attempting to touch on their copyright is actually because they can lose it if they do not protect it. Many companies and many common name items originally came from copy right filings which never did attempt to fight against anyone infringing possibly on the trademark etc. A few examples are aspirin and laundromats. Coke Cola though does not have a patent for the product itself. If they did they would have to disclose the ingredients of the product.
@@davidfernelz IMO the cane sugar is what keeps all of South America so addicted. The rest of the world instead got subjected to the artificial sweeteners craze, which thankfully is being pulled back.
Exactly, even if they know they will loose, if its close enough they might try just to prove they are vigilant to protect their IP, and also of cause try to scare others from even trying :)
The Palworld drama basically boils down to people acting like Pokemon owns the concept of monster-taming/creature-collecting (Partly Due to not understanding copyright law) also a lot of people don't understand the differences between inspiration and plagiarism in general nowadays
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Long story short, it's not pokemon. They don't use any pokemon.
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@@FieryRed_BEPokemon doesn’t own the concept of bipedal wolves.
Plus they have guns
@@FieryRed_BE???
I don't see either of those anywhere in any of the material. Maybe some things that look similar-ish but definitely pass the squint test.
@@FieryRed_BE I was not aware that Nintendo invented wolves.
If Nintendo had anything to sue them for, then they would have done so 2 years ago when the game was announced.
Edit: They are apparently suing Palworld over a patent now. Going to be interesting to find out what it is about, because since it's a patent lawsuit, it's not gonna be about designs.
Nintendo announced they're sue them
@@GreaterSociety No they didn't. They said they'd look into it because people were complaining to them.
@@GreaterSociety no they didn t learn how to read
I think with its popularity spiking, they're going to "Attempt" to brush them under the matt.
@@GreaterSociety learn to read dude 💀💀💀
People don't realize that using their own characters and ideas allows them to "clone" any game, except for content from other games. Gameplay and genre can be freely used without even minimal copyright from Nintendo.
Still scummy tho they just took Pokemon and changed their colours and added a new feature or 2 for most of their creatures
@@sixzero2733they really didn't
I mean, I think if they can prove the models were made using Pokemon models, which some of them do look like they were, it can be a case for a lawsuit. Because you would not have access to the 3D models Pokemon uses unless you hacked the game and dumped it, which is illegal I think. But even legality aside, it is pretty clear to see most of the designs are straight up rip-offs of Pokemon, use assets ripped from Pokemon designs/models, and overall just follow the same design principles as Pokemon making it so their monsters have no originality. Temtem even did more than Palworld did
@@michaelsheets5739they really did though. Most of the pals are like a fusion of two existing pokemons. Look ar dinosom for example.
There’s also the fact that technically Pokémon is a shin Megami tensei clone
Frankly, Palworld is doing something that the fans of the Pokemon series have asked for forever now. Not the "with guns" part necessarily, but adding new and different concepts instead of just cloning the same game over and over but with more monsters each time.
I think Pokémon feels threatened by them bc they made something better than them. If that's the case, I say good bc all they do is rip the fans off with their subpar incomplete games that feel like a beta....
That's why Legends: Arceus was so much fun
The devs of palworld only added guns for the western audience
And releasing it on PC!
Then you have Nintendo fans sending death threats, grow the fuc up. People just don't know what copyright means, its not just mechanic or design but the overall product.
I prefer the term "Monster Tamer" over "Mon-like". Calling the genre Mon-likes makes it harder for other games in the genre to escape from Pokémon's shadow and mon is just short for monster anyway.
Yeah, imagine where FPS games would be now if we still called them Doomlikes lol.
Soulslike 👀
specially cause Pokemon wasn't even the one that invented the genre, that was SMT
@@luissaumeth8000SMT invented it, but Pokemon became the prime example of the monster catching/trainer genre out of sheer popularity and large scale impact.
You could argue Dragon Quest also implemented monsters as team members back in the day.
@@jeromealday614there isn't really a concise way to describe it otherwise
As a pokemon fan i immediately realized that pal world is more similar to Ark Survival than pokemon.
Definitely, thought the same with the building aspect of the game
You're right, that is the entire game at this EA state. But with lots of cute monsters that will beat the crap out of you lol
I think any Pokémon fan could see that right away. There's too much buzz trying to compare the two games that have almost 0 similarities.
@@mrredcheeks4018 yeah, Code Vein has more similarities to Dark Souls than Palworld does to Pokemon
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Let's be real here. Anyone can make a monster taming game, not just Pokémon. That's like Nintendo sueing Sega over Sonic because both Mario and Sonic are both platformer games.
And people still gave yokai watch crap 😭
@@picky9687and then give a pass to smt and persona
No one bat an eye to the originators
It's not just a "monster taming game", they clearly aped pokemon's entire style.
@@Oreca2005 And keep in mind, Megami Tensei predates Pokemon by 9 years with Megami Tensei 1 releasing in 1987 while Pokemon Red and Blue didn't release until 1996. So if anything, Pokemon is the rip-off.
@@jmaster4941 the thing is Pokémon now a days have an entirely different tale system to modern smt and persona didn’t had abilities till royal I think
And other factors to how the battles goes
Weather
Stat stages
Terrain
Turn order
Is all different really
If there's one thing I can give humans credit for, it's pushing the boundaries of getting away with things they explicitly told NOT to do.
we as a species are habitual linesteppers to quote chappelle. this is what brought us everything from the wheel to the internet. curiosity killed the cat, but it also brought about everything we came to expect and enjoy.
Such as don’t challenge the laws that be - hehehehh… challenge the basis of IP law - why should an idea be treated like property? The same way we treat land?
For one second, i thought you were reacting about the OF streamers in Twitch vs the new guidelines.
In Night City only one thing makes you a criminal...getting caught...
German "tractors" going to Poland in ww2
Another way of putting it:
Pikachu done in your own artstyle? Illegal. Cloning Pokemon's artstyle to make your own creature? Okay. Calling said creature a Pokemon? Illegal.
Giving Pikachu blue fur, a beak, a beaver tail and koala ears? Okay. Doing it in Pokemon's artstyle? Also okay.
Making a game around these creatures? Okay. Making a monster taming game around it? Okay. Calling that game Pokemon? Illegal. Not calling it Pokemon, but adding official Pokemon designs? Illegal. Adding official Pokemon in your own artstyle? Illegal. Changing their name before adding the Pokemon in your own artstyle? Risky.
Making a Pokemon game, but not selling it for money? Risky. Receiving donations for making the game? Illegal. Paying other people with your own money to make a Pokemon game? Illegal.
Making a Pokemon game, but getting donations for other semi-related projects? Extremely risky. Getting hired because of your experience making a fangame? Could count as making money off the IP. The Keyword is "could" Risky. Putting a Pokemon fangame on your resume? Risky. Making a Pokemon game, uploading footage of you making it and getting ad revenue from that? Could count as making money off the IP. Very Risky.
Companies? Legally count as people. Are companies actually people? Legally irrelevant. Anything that's legal for you to do is legal for EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Epic Games, Microsoft, Disney, Warner Bros. and Amazon. Any rights you have also apply to a gigantic machine that can afford more lawyers than you.
Companies don't just win legal cases by being proven innocent/proving their opponent guilty, they also win if their opponent goes bankrupt trying to fight a legal battle. Any rights you have are more powerful in the hands of a company.
I like this breakdown. Very entertaining read 👍
Honestly I am just curious what law has stopped Companies from running for the US presidency yet.
Edit: People keep trying to explain to me how lobbying works. I consider that common knowledge. I was thinking about it more from a marketing stunt angle. 'Buy X-Drink, The Drink you can vote into Office'. Something stupid like that.
@@dasirrlicht5415 Because it is far simpler to just bribe/pay/donate/launder money through a PAC to get the various government agents to do what you want. Heck, we've basically found out you can bribe the US Supreme Court justices with little to no consequences for you or those judges. And that's not even getting into things like former executives for, say, telecommunications companies being appointed to head the FCC...
@@dasirrlicht5415 With uncapped corporate lobbying, companies can influence the president's represented party, which is more useful to a private company than the presidency. They can then let the government wear the public backlash when the policies that are the result of said lobbying start inconveniencing the public.
One caviat is that if they didn't file for one of the pokemon design/name you could technically use that, but would need to search through the archives to see if you could or not.
Obviously major ones like Pikachu and Charizard are registered as covered in the video but more obscure ones are not, again as covered in the video.
I personally would recommend not doing that, but it could be done.
They would then have to fight you over it and could win, but you would not be in the wrong, just likely to lose.
What matters at the end of the day is that this is a competitor, and competition means better products.
Also this game is definitely what N as a child was convinced the Pokemon world is like
Pokemon lore is MUCH DARKER than it is shown in games ad the anime if you go reading the old Pokedex entries.
@@rrudeljr True, but the dex is also full of absolute nonsense as well. Like stuff that doesn't work in world either. It's not exactly a reliable source.
What he was convinced as a child... Have you READ some of the official pokedex entries? Drifloon straight up tries to kidnap children to take them to the afterlife. ther are more than a few entries that are just straight up dark.
If pokemon was lore-accurate to the dex-entries, we would see straight up armies, in-game, trying to fight back against some of these monsters. Palworld is at least up-front about the violence you can expect from something like a territorial Buck with a 16+ point, razor sharp rack of antlers, charging at you with clear intent to harm.
@@zerosen2141 yep, I grew up playing the different versions as a teen and adult and it was surprising just how dark most of them could be and no one noticed or they kept pushing the games as meant for kids.
Low-key, the world of Pokémon is "edgier" under the surface because most of the games don't show the underbelly.
You're able to travel the world at 10?? years old. Alright, that's not strange for some cultures (on a smaller scale)
However, just outside most towns are fantabulous murder monsters who generally have a base instinct to hurt each other, and this is exploited for sport and the entertainment of humans the world over.
There's a reason N believed in what he was doing.
Pokemon fans forgot that SMT, Digimon, Monster Rancher, TemTem, that Rick and Morty mobile game exists
ZanZarah: The Hidden Portal
Yeah, but no one look at those game and said: "This is pokemon." People look at this game and they called it: "Pokemon, but with guns!"
@@Afgerakreally? because I look at temtem and just see “Pokémon but MMO!
Been a LONG minute since monster racher
to think smt v is on the same console of the last 2 pokemon mainline games
I keep wiping my screen because of the smudge on his left shoulder...
That’s just a tiny UFO spying on him.
I would assume the survival and base building aspects also make it distinct from Pokemon, as you don't need to worry about that in Pokemon.
The game feels like how a pokemon trainer in the show would survive, but in a slightly more harsh world. This dev teams understanding of copyright law loopholes is master class, haha
It's Ark with Pokémon, as one replyer has said
Which makes it sound even more distinct than 'Pokémon with Guns'
Didn't Digimon come out before pokemon? If pokemon copied digimon... what are they even complaining about?
It's like Disney trying to sue someone for making a Brothers Grimm story, because they copied it first...
@@radagast7200iirc, I think by the time pokemon came out, digimon was still tamagatchi, but for boys. Could be wrong though. Even then digimon's mechanics and designs are still far different than anything pokemon at the time.
@@leedlebob2667 sure, but the mechanics aren't the question. Combining an element and animal together in a cartoon / cell shaded manner isn't something unique to pokemon. In fact, mythology is pretty old with it (not the cartoon part, obviously). Many pokemon are also based on Shinto spirits as well.
Pokemon doesn't own a Sub Genre the Monster Taming Genre actually predates Pokemon with Shin Megami Tensei actually not to mention a lot of Monster Taming Games range in different genres from a Metroidvania like Creature Keepers,RogueLite PatchQuest,Classic Pokemon Like Experience Coromon,and many more it is the most creative genre in my opinion not yo mention the Triple A Monster Taming Games like Dragon Quest Monsters/Jokers,Fossil Fighters which definitely deserves a Revival,Digimon,and Spectrobes.
Wish we'd get another fossil fighters that and yokai watch id argue are the best creature fighter ids after pokemon
I forgot to mention Monster Hunter Stories 1 and 2 r so good hope we get a 3rd game eventually.😅
Now good news for Yo Kai Watch in April it is getting a gameplay trailer for a new entry I intend to pick up Yo Kai watch 1 to play it before the new entry.
The fact they added guns, base building, and physical animal abuse to a monster taming game was a bold move.
@@sakurakitsunestarwould love another fossil fighter
@BrutalNobody
I want to see Fossil Fighters return so much ever since the 2018 trademark renewal I've held onto hope.
There was a patent by Namco that was for minigames during a loading screen which ended in 2015. Which would have been helpful for GTA Online when you were stuck in the clouds. But now games load so fast they don't need loading screens.
Isn't that frustrating? We could have been playing tetris and junk during loading screens for a couple whole decades...
@@TheCommanderFluffy except Bethesda games.
Peggle addon for WoW, that was a sanity saver back in the 40m raid days.
Oh wow that might explain the splatoon 1 (2015) mini games
One of the tests used to determine if a work constitutes copyright infringement is whether or not it risks impacting the original by directly competing with it. If Nintendo sued Pocketpair over Palworld, they would have to either claim they themselves were at least considering making a survival-crafting Pokemon game with gun violence, which everyone knows would never happen, or they would have to admit in court that Palworld's existence doesn't really hurt the Pokemon franchise, handing them a huge win.
Can you cite the caselaw? I'm studying IP right now and am interested.
@@izzywoods794 I think it may have removed my first comment which linked the Nolo article I found this in, so in case the happens again here’s the important information without the link:
We're concerned with Section 107 of the Copyright Act of 1976 (17 U.S.C. § 107), specifically the fourth factor that is to be considered: "4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work."
The article cites "the Harper & Row case", as relevant case law, which seems to refer to Harper & Row v. Nation Enterprises, 471 U.S. 539 (1985). Not quite the same type of (potential) copyright infringement we're dealing with here, since that case was regarding directly copying from a copyrighted work, but hopefully that's enough to get you started.
@@ProjectThunderclawWhat about the models that have the exact same silhouette? You can't just make a shooter with Mickey Mouse blatantly in it, looking the exact same, right?
@@ObsceneSuperMatt Having same silhouette will not work in court if the design is nothing like the original, copyright is not just the design but the overall product.
@@ObsceneSuperMatt that's a different question. There are four factors courts are supposed to consider when determining what constitutes fair use, and this is just one of them; "(4)the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work."
I'm not saying this means Pocketpair are completely home free, just that they have 1/4 on lock.
I hope Palworld gets big like really big and even better than Pokémon, So that Nintendo finally has some competition and makes their games better.
I love this game, but that will probably never be the case. What this could show nintendo and game freak however is how much extra money they are missing out on, and (in a twist of irony) what they can take from pal world to improve and add their own game.
I really hope Palworld doesn't get big, for a few different reasons, but I do hope it encourages more game devs to make monster catching games, a bit like how the ice was largely broken with platform fighters and Super Smash Bros.
Wish that were the case but it won’t happen. Their recent 3D games still sold amazingly despite the games glaring issues. People will still buy it out of brand recognition alone. As long as they make a ton of money they won’t care about quality.
The game is going to die out in 4 months, nice copium though bud. I did buy it so maybe gamefreak can get kinda scared and put pressure into their games, but the game is still ass.
@@bamby7766 someone is projecting
Only one copeing is you
This is actually pretty informative in general. It's interesting to know where the line begins and ends in copyrighting an idea in similar execution.
Ideas cannot be copyrighted. Simple.
@@leoleo1035 No, but the implementation of those ideas can, and if this game literally copies Nintendo's figures, that is a breach.
Kind of like FNAF takes inspiration the most from chucky cheese without outright being condemned by them since they're "their own thing"
Be mindful that it does contain some incorrect information. IP law is more complicated than this video suggests.
imagine if all wow clones and all mmo's are forbidden just because wow come up to that idea first
Sounds like some game developers are looking at recent Pokémon games and thinking "I could do better than that". And they do.
I hope Game Freak will try to make the next Pokémon games so much better that we go back to "Why would I play that monster-catching game when I could have more fun playing Pokémon".
Knowing Game Freak, they don't give a rat's ass about the players and only care about delivering half baked cans of garbage with 3 fps, because people buy it anyway. And sue anything and anyone that even remotely thinks about improving their formula.
thats why a competitor as palworld is important
They just want to sell you more pokeballs in pokemon go! they couldn't care about the kind of game the world obviously wants!!
I don't see how palworld is a competitor to Pokemon. I've been playing palworld for hours and the whole gameplay loop feels like other survival game like ark, rust or unturned. Sure, it has "Pokemon" in it that you have to catch but fundamentally it's very distant from what it feels to play Pokemon. That is my issue with people that are either angrily claiming it is a copy or happy with there being competition.
If by better you mean "actually fun to play", then yeah, I agree.
Palworld is pretty much in alpha still and it somehow managed to be more fun to play than Gamefreak's latest release.
No one believed me when I said this: "Wrong, you can sue anyone for anything. If I was Nintendo, I'd sit back and watch the money printer print away, then take them for everything a year later. If you think Nintendo is just going to let them get away with this, you have no idea about their legal team. They will sue for anything; they probably make more money suing people than making games."
Not quite the same thing, but I really wish Warner Bros' hadn't patented the Nemesis System for the Mordor games. It's such a neat idea that I wish other games could use.
Not the only stupid copyright ether capcom had one on loading screen minigames ( fortunately ran out in 2015) and Nintendo actually owns one for sanity meters (the effects from internal darkness)
I think that's a misnomer. Because you can still make a system that is effectively similar. It's just that the exact implementation needs to be different.
edit: typo
@@artemisDev The biggest issue with this is the potential for a lawsuit makes the risk of implementing it not worth it.
@@sakurakitsunestarNintendo owns the patent for SANITY METERS!?
technically, warframe does something like it but it's not named Nemesis and it's not 100% the same. (see kuva lich and sisters of parvos)
Let’s face it, with over 1,000 Pokémon around, if you a made creature for a Pokémon-derivative game, somebody is gonna believe that it’s a rip-off of Pokémon.
*Monster Taming Game exists*
Pokemon Fan:"iTs a pOkEmOn rIpOfF!"
This was the case for yo kai watch. People were so close minded
I like how IGN did this with Fossil Fighters, despite them literally being dinosaurs as opposed to anything like pokemon.
@NesyBoi
That review hurts me so much since I'm a Fossil Fighters Fan myself honestly.😭
@@crimsonsomething yokai watch deserved more love😢
Part of what makes Palworld's gameplay different is that you continuously play as the character in combat scenarios. I don't mean like in Legends Arceus, but you are actively engaging in battles by attacking as the human player along with the OPTION to also battle alongside your Pal creatures.
Exactly. The Pals in Palworld are no different than summons in an Elder Scrolls game.
@@Kamawan0 Yes. It never turns into a turn based battle, even when I summon a Daedra[em] to tank for me. I still have to dodgeroll, shoot, or slash in real time, like I'm playing Elden Ring or Skyrim, just with a summoner build.
To me it felt a lot like legends Arceus combined with games like raft or breath of the wild as well as farming games like harvest moon. I don't really know how to explain it, but palworld kinda feels like a fusion of those from a gameplay perspective. At least in the early game.
I was obsessed with Legends Arceus when it released, so that was definitely one of the games I thought of when trying to figure out what games they took inspiration from.
In terms of visuals, it does feel a little bit like an uncanny valley of it looks like pokemon but also not. It reminds me a bit of the fan eeveelutions I've been drawing. And some of the small fox creatures are definitely the type of stuff I would've come up with when making fan eeveelutions. It's a strange feeling for sure, but I'm fully aware that they couldn't have copied my works. It kinda feels like getting a look into what my art could be like if a 3d sculpter went wild with it and so the designs give me inspiration for more art pieces.
It's a game that feels strange yet familiar. And that makes it so interesting
The problem with this video is that it states US and western copyright law and precedents. However, both Pocket Pair and Pokémon Company are based in Japan and that means if this case went to court, it would be Japanese court, acting according to Japanese copyright laws, which are way different than those we know in west. And, also, Japanese courts aren't bound by any precedent made in US or elsewhere in the world. Keep this in mind, when making jadgments.
yes but still they can't sue even in japanese standards if I recall correctly. I'd need to look again before stating anything fully but palworld is different from pokemon, it just has a similar style and catch concept and that's really it. Pokemon doesn't own the concept of catching cute monsters in a ball. thus why digimon and others like that exist still and are based in japan as well. That's based on my intuition though, i'd need to look through japanese copyright law again
@@Its_Asteria "but palworld is different from pokemon, it just has a similar style" some of Palworld's 3D models look to be near identical to ones from Pokemon, with VERY slight changes (i.e. tail/horn direction)
Sry to be that person, but you made a spelling mistake at the end, don't worry much though if you're fine with it I'm just letting you know 👍
@@twiz66"Looking similar" is not enough. Lucario and Anubis is a good example. Putting them side-by-side, they look quite similar. But when you consider both are based on the Egyptian God Anubis, it's hard to argue that Palworld ripped off Pokémon.
@@twiz66 going by that logic pokemon is not original as they stolen a lot designs(by your logic) from Dragon Quest , and going further by that logic you cant steal style of something who was not original in first place.
I kind of like the idea of a few similar Pokemon look-alikes available to consumers. I feel the Pokemon games are slow to change partially because they're never challenged or in competition (e.g. Nintendo vs Sony vs Microsoft). I love playing Pokemon, but I've often wanted to try a monster-tamer game made by a larger company that isn't doing the same buggy game repeatedly for 25 years.
Ever play TemTem?
Can't wait for someone to make Pokemon but furry seggs
True I feel pokemon is so boring but people still buy it every year because it's the biggest version of that game and for nostalgia. I'm glad this game can take part of that market share.
It's fundamentally the same game with slowly adding new systems. And this game is in Alpha but it works better than when Pokémon Scarlet and Violet was release week xD, but unfortunately I think Palworld is slightly too repetitive and needs some more content. Hoping for the best.
@@Roxas9bI think TemTem is to Sun & Moon as PalWorld is to Arceus. They have such different feels, and they’re both good for different reasons.
Art style is not protected by law. There is actually alot of artists out there who think it is protected.
Also PalWorld can arguably be a sort of parody which would then be protected under fair use similar to court rulings on pornographic depictions of otherwise copyrighted characters; Rule 34 is basically considered parody.
No such thing as 'fair use' in Japan where both companies come from. Its why Nintendo can copyright strike whatever they feel like doing.
@@akuma2124😂 games, anime, tv dramas all reference and copy other shows all the time with no issues. If you don’t live here don’t speak for us
@@Rejii16 Im not speaking for Japan. Im literally pointing out Japanese copyright law, and providing observation of said law in practice.
Why're you trying to gatekeep? because you live there? The more caution foreigners take, the better it is. The law doesnt stop applying because someone is ignorant of it.
@@akuma2124 What an overreaction, you're not from Japan. It's perfectly fair for a local to say "You have a misunderstanding of our laws, do not speak on our behalf."
@@Rejii16 Correct me if I'm wrong, but Japan doesn't have fair use doctrine like the US at least from what I see in Subsection 5 of Chapter II in the Copyright Act(Act No. 52 of 2021), please don't hesitate to point me out if I made a mistake. From what I know, the reason Doujinshi's aren't sued left and right is because of Japanese culture, where if the Author/Owner doesn't care, it's not illegal but if they do, then it's illegal.
What I have said is from my limited understanding, feel free to correct me.
Considering the death threats, this video is MUCH needed
Law of the Internet: No matter what the reason, some awful anti-social children with mental disorders on the Internet will make death threats, and in almost all cases they're not actually serious. Pointing them out will embolden them and telling them to stop will make it worse. The best thing to do is ignore them. They can't stand being ignored.
Too bad. Those freaks don't have any single brain cell to understand any of this info in the first place.
@@The8bitbeard And with wester game dev/publishers, those threats don't even exist. Their just excuses to deflect criticism.
Those threats mean nothing online
@@TT09B5 I was about to say. I don't care for the game as I see it as the next flavor of the week novelty that will soon fall into obscurity. Still I haven't noticed or even heard of these supposed treats till this comment.
At this point, “using Twitter” is a red-flag for me. Such nasty people on that site/app. They can get bent.
And they all come crawling to youtube to say "uhmmm acktually some person on twitter said, with no evidence, that popular thing is bad 🤓"
@@hosatus2433 It's better than no evidence. One of the big ones admitted they faked evidence.
most of my friends use it and almost every time they start a sentence with "I was on twitter and" it's about some pointless drama. Twitter is just a CoD lobby with a lot more people.
Twitter has been that way for 15 years
Tell them to get welded instead lol
Nintendo can patent their specific designs, not the general concept of monster collecting. Just like Toyota can patent a specific camry sedan, not the general concept of a sedan.
Except they cant patent it. Patents are for inventions, not art
They can *copyright* their designs, not a patent. If we're talking about the concept, Pokemon would've been sued a long time ago, they're, by no means, the first to do a monster collection game.
Most of pokemon are inspired by yokais or real animals. They don't own their concept.
@@user-dh7sm9zh9eyou missed the point. they were talking about the idea of the game, not the designs
@@RedHatGuyYT I watched someone play a couple hours of this game, and the gameplay is nothing like any pokemon I've seen. We're talking start naked, gather stones and lumber for a crafting table and a fire so you don't get cold at night, make a club, axe, and pickaxe. Then start killing the animals for food. Eventually you get to capture them, but you use them for labor and need to craft beds for them and feed them so they can gather resources for you and defend you. Obviously it gets more advanced, but calling it anything like pokemon is hilarious.
Interesting discussion on what Pokemon names are and aren't trademarked; I imagine it would be very hard to trademark names that are based on reasonably common terms, like Farfetch'd, Weezing, and Mew, or close to such terms, such as Skitty, Shellos, Ducklett, and so forth
Various factors determine if someone has a stronger trademark or not. In Pokemon's case, the word Weezing alone might not be trademarked but the design + the name are. So say you made a shirt that has the image or symbols of a Weezing and clearly implies that it is a Weezing by the Pokemon Company then they may have grounds to sue you for trademark infringement or copyright infringement.
mew 🗿
One other reason is it'd be stupidly expensive.
Electrode lol
As a transforme fan : you'd be surprised.
Anyone remember monster rancher? How you put in CD rom disks to get monsters from them. It came out before pokemon.
- Digimon isn't older. But... Megaevolution? Hmm... even pokemon takes ideas from similar stuff. Allot of the stuff Digimon did. Pokemon did later.
- Remember the little collectible rubber monster in my pockets?
- Pocket monsters 👻 pokemon.
Another brilliant thing about adding guns into the mix is that it opens up the parody defense.
In order to qualify as parody, you do have to have something to say about the original, but it doesn't have to be particularly sophisticated. Juxtaposing adorable pokemonesque designs with incredible violence is not only funny, it's funny specifically because it shines a light on how aggressively, almost pathologically family-friendly Pokemon is, and how that's kind of weird for a franchise that's ultimately about competing in superpowered cockfights.
there’s no parody or fair use laws in japan. if palworld is found out to be using even a portion of a model or design from a pokémon game it will be shut down as they are japanese games.
@@derpythean-comdoge8608 Question though, that might shutdown the japaneese market, but would it really prevent them from continuing abroad?
And if not, then suing them in Japan could end up making even more marketing for Palworld.
With the violence, Palworld is most likely not going to target the younger audience so they might not even be gaming for the same players to begin with.
Parody would be having one character being a direct inspiration, in a gun shooter. Maybe along with other franchises being parodied as well.
@Chwibon no? You can make an entire work that's just a parody of something, like Bored of the Rings.
Also at one point devs said they plan on adding some tower defense style events which would honestly be cool.
Most people have a comically poor understanding of copyright laws, but they state their wrong understand with extreme confidence.
R/ConfidentlyIncorrect
You have a comicall poor understanding of context. These laws were not established with AI-tools in mind. Laws can and need to change.
@@thefebo8987 how is AI involved in this??
@@Ramsey276one they used it. Trust me. AI Bros made this game. There are no concept art works, nothing.
@@thefebo8987 Hmm
Besides that, I have no objections so far.
AI didn't code *all that,* I'm sure!
Well... about that...
Gotta love how it's the one protection he thought was least relevant to Palworld.
One thing I was thinking about earlier, is Pokeballs. To me pokeballs act like traps from Ghostbusters, except for throwing the Trap under the creature, you throw the trap at the creature. That mechanic in Ghostbusters came out decade before Pokemon was a concept. A Pokeball is just an advanced ghost trap.
Pokémon pulled that mechanic from dragon quest
@@Anthonyspartan514 Also when you compare Dragon quest vs Pokémon creatures you find quite a many very very similar looking creatures.
They quite obviously redrew many of them just in more cutesy/simply art style and turned those to pocket monsters.
no need to go that niche into it, a pokeball is just a glorified mouse trap. And cavemen used traps to capture animals thousands of years ago
@@tubetorpedo You don't understand that's an argument AGAINST palworld. They couldn't even be bothered to even make a new art style, it's literally HIRE THIS MAN styled realistic textured for no Pokemon made from sold assets. Which is already a thing anyway with Pokken.
@@MintJammer pokemon 'owns' cutesy art style?
Time to remake this video, as they are now being sued by Nintendo and the Pokémon Company.
Honestly when I first saw Grizzbolt. I thought it looked more like Totoro than a Pokemon
It looks like an electrabuzz Totoro change my mind
@@lucazani2730 I can see why Grizzbolt looks like electabuzz, but his body, ears, and mainly his smile is what gave me the totoro vibes.
@@DougyDougerton exactly
The son of a quick night of passion between electrabuzz and Totoro
We're toppling Disney and GameFreak this year.
They'll have to resurrect Spectrobes to compete again.
Spectrobes was amazing. Loved that game. Actually, I think it's still in my DS in a box under my bed. 😂
I just bought a ds specifically to play spectrobes lmao
i've only played spectrobes origins, but yeah. was a great time.
Haven't seen your videos in a long time nice to see them again
Nice to have you back! The algorithm hasn't exactly been kind to us recently 😅
A former legal clerk in Nintendo legal department said he had seen over a thousand cases of Pokemon imitation games but only a few were successfully prosecuted for copyright infringement.
That's because 99% of them don't ever see court lmao, they close shop at the CND
@@lyn4739What's CND?
Wait, it's cease & desist, so they seal the deal at that stage?
@@AQuestionerNo, a CND is just a warning letter, and most people that get one don't want to go to court, hence why "*only a few were successfully prosecuted for copyright infringement*" because they just don't want to deal with the trouble of fighting against Nintendo.
The first thing I saw of this game was an unknowing Vinny Vinesauce instinctively punching an approaching sheep in the face and laughing before proceeding to beat it up and roll it down a hill. No idea if the game is any good but I'm sure to remember it
The game is ark, but with pokemon slaves, basically
My first exposure was from a link to his stream on the Vinemon Discord.
I saw Ralph Bluetawn 2 and that was all I needed to know that the game was good.
A bit of Breath of the Wild from the sound motif, climbing, and... a lot movement and transporation system that relates to that game.@@raulbrenes778
You can catch and butcher people for money
It is that and so much more....a fox you can use a flamethrower...I mean...COME ON! XD
This is why larger companies have large legal teams and rarely, if ever, run into the same issue fan games and indie games run into. They can turn around and ask the legal team "We cool? We good?" and proceed if they get the thumbs up.
The issue with indie games isn't usually that they don't have the legal backing to stand up to big companies, because legit original games almost never get that kind of attention. It's fangames that use existing IPs that get the wrath of the people who own those IPs. And sometimes that means things you don't think about, like patents on game mechanics.
@@OtakuUnitedStudioI mean that's the answer Nintendo's legal team would give, yes. Of course every single derivative work they've tried to take down has actually been infringing their IP, I'm sure being a huge company with a huge legal team has no chance of winning them any fights they don't rightfully deserve to win s/.
Pocketpair better hope they have an impressive legal team on retainer because they are going to need someone with a lot of resources to go up against Nintendo in Japan.
@@Lindsey_Lockwood That's the thing, Nintendo hasn't done ANYTHING. There is NO Fair Use in Japan but Nintendo hasn't lifted a single finger since Palworld's announcement in 2021.
@@Mahbu If I was Nintendo legal I would let them make as much off the title as possible then when the hype dies down you swoop in and grab the whole bag. If they stopped them now they would be limiting the amount they can make in the lawsuit.
Think the easiest comparison is old Saints row and GTA where everyone kept calling Saints Row "Just a GTA clone or Rip off"
Here's the thing. Is Rootbeer, the same as ginger ale? Using a few brief words, yeah. They're both sodas, that incorporate a root as a spice/flavor.
Across the board, no they are not the same.
Nobody can "own" a genre.
@@regulus7181 Pokemon fans*
oh trust me, pokemon fanboys are very uneducated for some reason
Lol but these aren't even in the same genre. You might as well as say they infringed on Minecraft's IP too since you can chop down trees and build stuff.
@@fairypabu well they'll tell you the EVs, IVs, ins and outs of how the game works and every meta strategy. But yeah they might as well be a bag of nails
@@Dreadskull91 i would more say ark
Imagine getting a Pokémon Go ad while watching a a Palworld video
imagine having adblock off?
@@007kingifritimagine not getting the joke
@@ElTeddyMalo mine was of a higher brow vareity of gag, so gag on it
@@007kingifritimagine having the humour of a wet blanket
@@007kingifrit TH-cam won't play with ad blocker turned on, on mobile
My sone and I played it all weekend. It’s a phenomenal game. My son owns, at least, one copy of every Pokémon story game. He’s not old enough to have been around for them, but he asked for the older games for birthdays and Christmas. He loves Palworld. The only Pokémon game I’ve ever played was Pokken Tournament. It was fun.
The game I remember was Monster Rancher, from the PS1 days. Every monster was hiding in one of your CDs. Pop it in the tray and see what you get… it was so great. Palworld hits me like that one. The fact I can play it with my sone makes it even better.
As a Monster Rancher player, you got me sold. I'll give this sucker a try.
if he's not old enough to have played the previous pokemon versions, then oyu're an irresponsible parent giving him access to palworld says the pegi for the game is extremely inaccurate. then again americans love their guns.
@@ejokurirulezzwhat? Red and Blue are 28 years old. Hell, even gen 5 is 14 years old. Their son could easily be 18 and not played anything before gen 6.
@@ejokurirulezz and who are you to say this person is irresponsible? you are on the internet saying what people should and shouldn't do with THEIR child.
He is SITTING THERE. WITH THE CHILD.
@@ladyV-hara can confirm, I'm 19 and haven't played any of the Pokémon games, so... Yeah, anyone my age could easily never have played them
Man, this video aged well
Y'all remember TemTem? That Not-Pokemon but with cards instead of balls?
Yeah...
As long as it's legally distinct _enough,_ the law can't do anything. There's a whole compilation of offbrand products you can find and laugh at.
"It's not Pokemon, it's Mokepon. Go, Kicaphu, I choose you!"
Cardcaptor Sakura comes to mind.
People keep rediscovering that copyright only protect works, not ideas, for very good reasons.
TemTem is also a great game xD i think people just saw the success Palworld has had and wanted something to complain about.
The problem Pokémon has with their case is that a whole lot, if not all then most, of the Pokémon are based on creatures or things found in the real world. Palworld can use the same case for the similarities that they’re both deriving inspiration from the same source.
But Pal world Traced the Models of Some Pokemon, and that is a Smoking gun for a Copyright Case. I saw the Images of the Serpirior Looking Pal Model and that it is just the Serpirior Model Traced and Puffed up a little. And the Game can be as Fun as Possible, this is Theaft and Shuld not be tolerated.
Proof of asset tipping or gtfo
@@TheDarcaneifyThe person who showed that off admitted they lied about it on twitter.
@@KitoBallard He admited that he SCALED it to show it better, not that he lied about it.
@@TheDarcaneifyA long with editing em.
Sometimes the word "ripoff" gets used loosely
It happens with pokemon/digimon (24+ years ongoing)
It happens with Capcom/SNK/FGC
It happens alot in the Shonen Anime community
Because (popular) thing and Brand loyalty?
Look at the Palmmon designs and look at the Pokemon designs. It is pretty blatant it is a rip off from the design language used in Palmons. This is something that isn't present in Digimon or even something like Temtem, and the comparisons people make with Pokemon and Digimon are people who aren't fans of either and just hear their similar names and them having similar combat gameplay systems. this isn't being used loosely. I don't think Palworld as a game is a rip off of Pokemon, but it is pretty clear the designs of Palmons ARE a rip off. There shouldn't be 20+ "original monsters" in their roster whose designs are either partially or fully copies of existing pokemon (and no, I do not mean concept, I mean literal designs).
@@dorkenspache8353While SOME designs are pretty inspired by Pokémon, there are a ton of designs that are pretty unique, not to mention that you can basically fuse different Pals to make others.
If you want to argue some designs are ripoffs, sure? But they’re different enough and the game plays basically nothing like Pokémon outside of being a monster tamer. Like yeah, Luxray I guess, but Luxray in Pokémon sucks and is wasted potential already so I’m pretty fine with another game taking the same idea and doing it better.
We’re also talking about Pokémon, the games notorious for being extremely unpolished because devs don’t take enough time to make them yet still make billions, so I really don’t care if a few designs get snatched up from lazy people at GF and Pokémon Company.
@@chadachi3970 All that yapping to excuse the devs of this game being so lazy they couldn't even develop their own unique design language for their monsters
@@dorkenspache8353 I don't see you coming up with any counter arguments, besides when there are over 1000 Pokemon you are bound to find some similarities to other creatures from other games, there are only so many designs before you reach the realm or ridiculous designs.
@@mesmorrow Explain how games like Digimon and Temtem were able to create a large roster of monsters to collect and tame without them being derivative of Pokemon, with the only exception being that one platypus Fakemon that was only put into Temtem because of a kickstarter reward? How come they were able to develop their own unique design language for their monsters meanwhile Palworld has suspiciously similar design language to Pokemon, woith some monsters being near direct model edits of Pokemon?
Palworld is more like “ARK Survival with Pokémon” instead of Pokémon with Guns.
Yeah, pokemon has story and narration. Palworld is just mmopve, Ark is PVP
@@vonborgah palworld is in early access with no pvp features yet implemented, surely you will as you can steal others ppl pals
@@dantepaz5028 yes but the devs said spesifically there wont be "turn pvp on, go nuts" options. It was never intended. there will be arenas for dueling for fun. Or perhaps even "accept duel" type of thing in the open world. Mut nothing will be behind that content that you already cant get somewhere else. pvp will come but not in form of rust/ark or similar. Its just for fun.
People forget there's many other monster games,
Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Yo-kai Watch and many more.
So there's plenty of sources to get create ideas from.
The majority of them still proceeded pokemon. A lot of people seem to forget that (not that I really care, but it's true) calling this a "ripoff" is a joke
@@AllHailSeizure90
Yeah kinda like What's difference with Call of duty and Modern warfare games?
or your "Scary Movies" or other Parody Films?
It's just Who can do a Better or Worst job, and that's the point too.
Who's Hamburgers "taste" better? Mcdonald's? or Burger King's? or something?
@@bobbynick5358 call of duty and modern warfare are the same game. Long story short: Call of Duty has a few developers making titles for their brand. The modern warfare series was by Infinity Ward, Black Ops by Treyarch, as well as other titles by both and one by Sledgehammer but still under Call of Duty.
@@ChunkyCoffee I meant Medal of honor, not Modern warfare.
as Medal of honor use to be different until it want to be more like Call of Duty,
then both seems to be no differences.
It's great that Palworld seems to be taking off too. Maybe Nintendo will actually spend time developing higher quality pokemon games if there's more competition
It all depends on the player base of Palworld. Pokemon is a juggernaut with a higher player base than Palword (I know that's not a fair comparison since Palword just came out, but it's doing good since its initial launch). If Palword can grow and maintain a consistent base throughout its lifespan, then yeah Nintendo and TPCI might have actual competition on their hands, and they'll give Game Freak the resources they need to make a good and stable game.
They are very different games. Nintendo has been making great Pokemon games. Pokemon Legends Arceus is very fun and went beyond the traditional Pokemon gameplay, so I imagine they will continue to explore that.
Gamefreak*, Nintendo let's them do their own thing. If Nintendo was developing the Pokemon games fully it'll be better quality.
@@mattt6201Legend Arceus was a spin of..
Legends was the spin off, but it felt more like a mainline game than the actual mainline games and remake we got lmao.
If they sue, the human pokemons is canon
It'd be amusing if a new pokemon game allowed you to catch a full party of humans.
Pokemon used to marry humans. Yeah from the original jp text lol.
@@ShoppingBored haha...
*_what_*
@@ShoppingBored Even the English text of Pokemon Red. Pokemon and humans used to be the same.
@@ShoppingBored Vaporeon my beloved
boy oh boy do I have something to tell you about that
One thing. Stop calling monster tamers "mon-likes"
Tamer games have been around for way way longer than pokemon, and by calling all games "mon-like" your potentially just giving gamefreak more ammo to take these games down in court, since fans are calling games "mon-like" nintendo can then argue through the words of the fan base that these other monster tamers used their intellectual property to popularize their own game hence causing damage to the pokemon brand (no way is it true but it is a defence they can try when everyone is claiming other games are mon like)
I think people also call it mon like because it’s monster
But I still get what your saying
I think the issues stems when many monster collecting game I've seen straight up resembles too much from Pokemon
I just call the this type of genre a “monster” game or a “monster RPG”.
Monster tamers and mon-like are different categories. Any game about taming things is a monster tamer. But only the one primarily inspired by pokemon, like temtem or palworld, are mons-like.
Pokemon is the franchise with the biggest revenue of all, so most people will compare it with any game that has a great resemblance.
After watching dozens of mind numbing reaction/theory videos about the Palworld drama... I feel like my brain just drank a healing potion lol. Thank you for this based video :)
You and me both buddy, I even blocked a friend of 15 years over this crap and he hates Pokemon
jeez what did he do @@dreamsoffury8369
That was the most gamer way to explain a thing, and I'm all here for it.
This video is poorly researched. The problem with Palworld is that they literally ripped models straight from Pokemon SW or SV. The fact that they have some designs that resemble Pokemon is not very interesting. This video spent 10 minutes saying basically nothing whilst not even addressing the issue of directly using models made by Gamefreak.
@@SDB_Dev Spreading missinformation intestifies.
Yeah if just making a monster collecting game was an issue in of itself I wouldn't imagine that Nintendo would have allowed Nexomon, Coromon, Cassette Beasts and Temtem (just to name a few) to be sold on their e-shop. I think the only reason Palworld likely won't make it to the Switch is hardware limitations rather than copyright laws and/or trademarks.
Especially Nexomon and Temtem. I don't thu k they even hide that they are a monsters tramer game that copy pokemon. Nexomon feel like a game that doesn't take it serious and now what it is.
If there's a reason (other than hardware), I'd say it's because some pals are INSULTINGLY close their Pokemon "inspiration". Cassette Beasts has almost as many Beasts as Gen I Pokemon, but don't resemble any Pokemon. Meanwhile I can point to Pokemon that resemble every pal at 12:10
I mean, most are fine (Leezpunk's color scheme doesn't make them a Toxtricity knock-off, Direhowl is a generic wolf that doesn't even look like lycanroc and Tombat looks closer to FF's Cait Siths), but you gotta admit making Grizzbolt the face seems deliberate.
Pokemon cant sue Palworld
Nintendo and Pokemon Company: Hold my beer.
I find it really weird that so many Pokemon fans are upset by this game, when those same fans have been crying for something new for over a decade.
You can still love Pokemon, and you can love this too. In fact, this game is good for Pokemon. This kind of popularity just shows that fans want more than what Game Freak is doing, and it should help push Pokemon in a new direction.
That's the strangest thing to me, by far. After I got into Dark Souls, I wasn't offended by all the copy-cats. Nobody was. We just made fun of the bad ones and embraced the good ones. Nintendo fans are like the football fans of gaming: territorial, super competitive and unreasonably proud of the brand they support. Also, hilariously ignorant of how gaming works as an industry, in a somewhat quaint way.
I think many of them are artists (hobby or business) and thats a big point. Palworld is violating creative work with its game and thats a big issue.
@@hennipap6800in what way?
You mean Ai? It does not use Ai because they would have to mention that on steam so like what?
im a pokemon fan, and ive been enjoying palworld more than i have enjoyed pokemon since the DS days. i was a fan of even pokemon xd and all those i liked when they tried to change the pace. but nope they jsut keep doign same thing over and over
@@darkmodeenjoyer3367while they didn't use AI your argument is stupid because AI users are precisely infamous for not being open about it and trying to hide it as much as they can, so while they "have to" mention it, they definitely would have not.
Seeing pokemon fans seething so hard at this that they want Nintendo to sue is utterly hilarious.
From what I have seen the Pokémon fans are loving this game it's the wannabe fans who get offended by anything even though they never played the games.
I haven't played pokemon since Ruby. I watch some of the show growing up. Palworld is everything I'd want from a pokemon game haha.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 so not a Pokémon game? Lol it's ark but with Pokémon instead of dinosaurs. I see pal world as a survival Pokémon game
"Why is Palworld getting a pass when so many other fangames have been taken down?"
I'm gonna correct you here. Only like 2 or 3 fangames have actually been hit with C&D orders by Nintendo and TPC because they directly used the Pokemon name and officially licensed Pokemon designs in their games while profiting off of it...technically. Pokemon Uranium and Pokemon Prism were fangames that had their own individual download pages, which is unlike other fangames/romhacks that usually have their games listed on database type websites for download. Because of this, that meant if they were to monetize their pages in any way it would be considered copyright infringement, which is why they were taken down. Apparently they had ads running on the website which is how Nintendo was able to put the hammer down on them. However the fact that only those fangames. Brick Bronze is a Roblox Fangame that got hit with one as well, though since I'm not a Roblox Player I'm not exactly sure why. Pokecommunity also says there were takedown request for a few rom hacks, but the website doesn't make it clear who sent the takedown request (whether it was Nintendo or the rom hack creators), so I don't consider those ones in this list.
But in short, people act like Pokemon sends C&D orders to fangames because of popularity when the vast minority of fangames and rom hacks have been taken down. They can't really legally fight a case for copyright with most fan games since they don't make any money at all, meaning it wouldn't be worth the cost in legal fees to take them to court or even get an official C&D order out if someone isn't even profiting off of the copyright infringement. Like think about it, if it was just popularity then rom hacks like Pokemon Clover and Radical Red or fangames like Pokemon Reborn or Insurgence would've been taken down too by now, there is no way they don't know about these considering how popular they are in the Pokemon community.
They used protected materials. Thats how they got struck. Its like what he said at the end of the video. Just don't use the word pokemon or anything affiliated with it in your game.
@@hikaru9624 They used protected materials AND made money doing so which I think is the issue. Though I think there are a few cases with Palworld that look so similar to existing Pokemon that those specific ones might get legally fought for, like the grass rabbit that looks like Cinderace or the electric hedgehog that looks like Shaymin. They might not be able to C&D the entire game, but they might be able to force them to remove Palmons that are egregious in how similar they are to official Pokemon
@@dorkenspache8353pretty sure one of the mons is like a fusion between zoroark and reshiram
Also for the case of Brick Bronze, it's the same reason. The game have some in game purchase you can buy using robux such as exp share and higher shiny rates. If you didn't know, Robux is the currency of Roblox, using real life money to buy it. That Robux can also be used to gain real world money as well
@@naganut9718 Thanks for the clarification! I saw a lot of people just claiming it was because it was popular, but I knew there had to be some other reason
Palworld has used similar designs to Pokemon BUT they haven’t used Pokemon.
I heard a line - Pokemon own Wooloo but they can’t own the design of a basic cheep…
And since Palworld uses their own looking sheep, it’s legal
As a long lasting pokemon fan, this game is amazing 😁it has all the fun an cutesiness of pokemon and keeps a very nostalgic feel while adding elements of more modern likings within the gaming community, ie guns, lots of guns and other weapons. It honestly is such a fantastic game and I am absolutely addicted to it lol
THIS! I love Palworld and Pokemon both! This doesn't need to be the Us vs. Them drama people want to make it into.
Temtem is pretty good too! It’s got that more pokemonish feel. But I agree, haven’t had this much fun with a mon game since like way back in the 3rd days! Palworld is awesome!
Agreed
The only difference between how much I like them is that one has a pretty bad company behind it. I'm not talking about the indie developers.
To be honest... unlocking the meat cleaver was odd. I don't think anyone ever butchered pokemon. Although... they did eat meat... oh, man... my childhood just took a hit.
@@radagast7200Never forget eating Magikarp is a thing. Also the hippopotamus tail (I forget the Pokemon name)
This was a very clear cut and easy to follow explanation. Thank you very much!
no one owns "throw a ball at a monster to catch it"
Nexoball go 😂
A lot of Pokémon fans did the same with digimon, neopets and several other monster games and anime’s back in the day as well. But we all forget that for this game, Pokémon has been watching it since its announcement years back. If anything they only sent several cease and desists to some pal designs that resembled too closely to the Pokémon. Other than that, you can be inspired by the pokemans and still make monsters that look similar but are entirely not that. Just like digimon, neopets, youkai watch, monster rancher and another game that more resembles Pokémon than Palworld: TemTem.
Except digimon didn't use Pokemon assets
@@everettjohnson9374 neither did palworld, so cope, I guess?
I think this is one of the most well put-together and explanatory video's on the subject. If we were talking strictly Gameplay, TemTem is much closer to how pokemon is in that sense. If anything, Palworld's closer to Digimon World: Next Order in terms of gameplay because you don't explicitly command your Pal to attack with a certain attack, instead, the pal is mostly autonomous and you can issue Basic commands.
This added in with the fact that it's a Survival Game that takes a lot from ARK: Survival Evolved. I'd say the primary problem people are having is exactly as stated, the artstyle is very similar. None of the Pal's would look out of place in a pokemon game, with a few exceptions of course. The game takes 2 genre's and combined the together in a fun and interesting way. Monster Tamer+Survival Builder. It's actually pretty danged fun imo.
And, I own EVERY SINGLE POKEMON GAME. From D/P/Pt to Scarlet and Violet, I own them all. What really irks me about pokemon is that afew year's ago they released the worst optimized, poorly performing and underwhelming game they have EVER released. Scarlet and Violet are a disgrace. The problem is that the Pokemon Company has for nearly 2 decades recycled the same theme, the same gameplay with little to no innovation whatsoever. That wasn't a problem for me for awhile, I liked pretty much every Pokemon game to an extent, it get's a little tiresome and repetitive but I loved it. The problem, primarily came with Sword and Shield. Recylced Theming from past entries, uninspired game mechanic replacing a game mechanic the majority of the Fanbase enjoyed(Gigantimax replacing Mega Evolution.), boring and frankly not very good looking "Open World", cutting the pokedex in half which isn't a Precedent in the franchise. Digimon has more Digimon than Pokemon has Pokemon, but Digimon has a Precedent where you only see about 50% of all digimon or less in whatever game, pokemon doesn't. I dealt with it and played the game though, sword and shield though felt really...boring. Then I got Legends: Arceus and i was like FINALLY SOMETHING ORIGINAL! It was fun, engaging, catching pokemon was more immersive and fun than ever before, the game's good. But then Scarlet and Violet came out and goddamn do I hate that I gave them my money. The game barely functions, to this day nearly 2 year's later it has horrifically awful performance issue's on the only console it was made for. The game looks pretty good overall, despite the low-res texture's, story is much better and I love the changes in formula we got. But, for every good thing Scarlet and Violet did, it took away other's. Still a limited Pokedex, character customization is actually less than past entries when it comes to clothing, only options being fking shoes, gloves and hats. Terrastilizing replacing Gigantimax was a net gain but no return of Mega Evolution. The Open World is large and expansive BUT, it functions the same as it did in Sword and Shield when it comes to catching, not the MUCH MUCH better Legends: Arceus.
The fact is that Pokemon has been releasing a New Game every year since 1996. And it shows. They refuse to innovate and expand the formula or stick with things that landed well and worked. But, being that it's Pokemon, they'll never lose any money even for making an egregiously bad game that barely functions. Captalism, with all it's flaws, also opens the door to Competitive Market's. Because of that, Palworld doing so well SHOULD help push Pokemon to step up their game and Nintendo to do whatever they can to not lose to them. Tbh, this shouldn't even be a problem, in a perfect world Nintendo and Pokemon would make Pokemon game's so astronimicaly good that no indie competitor would have a chance, but, they aren't and they need to.
It’s insane how people are defending an 88 billion dollar brand like Pokémon and seems hopeful that Nintendo will sue Palworld into the ground, they did the same thing with Monster Hunter Stories 1, Temtem, Nexomon and others, Pokémon fans have really become a cult over the past decade and everything has to be a copy of Pokémon or be review bombed and or DDoS attacked which has happened in the past.
I have never seen such concentrated effort to prop up a video game franchise in the past despite the Call of Duty fans, the World of Warcraft apologists, or the League of Legends toxic community, Pokemon fans are hands down the most twisted and sick fandom I have yet to see, and I been playing video games for many years now.
Pokémon fans don't play other games
@@commonviewer2488damn right, and they even ignore things that actually *PREDATE* pokemon that are in the genre, such as shin megami tensei and dragon quest 5
@@Realperson16 That's because most of the cult like fans you see today only came around during the 5th or 6th Pokemon games generations, this behaviour did not exist in the past 13 years ago and earlier.
I've been an avid Pokémon fan since it first debuted in the states and I can confidently say that the fandom is large enough for people to bear witness to a twisted, toxic variation of fans. But, the reality of it is most fans love Pokémon AND other games, especially creature collectors. Just about every fan I know enjoys TemTem, Nexomon, Shin Megami Tensei, you name it. Myself included. We also love and actively play a plethora of other genres too. Just watch nearly any Pokétuber and take note of their respective communities - widely diverse to say the least.
Most people I see bashing "clones" of Pokémon also dislike Pokémon, so that's something else to consider.
pokemone fans even hate their own franchise, yet also simp over it.@@commonviewer2488
I don’t know why Palworld is suddenly bringing this question up. We’ve had tons of Pokémon-likes such as Nexomon, Coromon, Temtem, and lots more; some of which are even on the Nintendo switch.
A ton of the pals in this game have had their models rip straight from older pokemon games. The pal that look like luxray was put side by side with a the actual luxray and it's almost 1 to 1 except for the small differences the pals team made to avoid copyright infringement.
Tons of butthurt Pokemon fans hate to see other game did better than Pokemon SV & Legends of Arceus in terms of open world. While Ark fans rejoice that Palworld has everything they wanted in Ark Survival Evolved/Ascended.
Subconsciously, everyone who """honestly""" believes this is copyright infringement knows it isn't. They want to pretend it is because of Pokémon has been heavily criticized in the last few years for not trying anything new and Palworld is proof that Pokémon absolutely could try to, but simply chooses not to. Nintendo channels will swear this isn't true for totally "legitimate" financial reasons, but the truth is there are plenty of other franchises that make less money than Pokémon, so when they try to shake up the formula or push a major innovation, they had it much harder than Pokémon does, yet they still do it okay.
Which franchises am I referring to? *ALL OF THEM*
There is no franchise, not video game franchise mind you, franchise in general, that makes more money than Pokémon. Pokémon makes more money than Marvel. Pokémon makes more money than Spongebob and Harry Potter. Pokémon makes more money than Minecraft, Among Us and Fortnite. Pokémon is, literally, the largest franchise in existence. A lack of funding sounds like a Gamefreak and Nintendo problem, not a money problem.
It blows my mind anyone would say it's too expensive to put more money in Pokémon when they human race has never written a bigger money-making franchise in its entire existence. Literally any franchise that ever changes its formula ever, anywhere, at all, even slightly, disproves this argument because ALL OF THEM MAKE LESS MONEY. Pokemon's fanbase screams "copyright" specifically because they know it does not violate any copyright. The goal is not to actually "prove" any sort of copyright violation, it's to destroy the thing that is hurting their religion.
@@shadowpiplup if that's true, than something will be done about it because I assume they can trace the data if it is the actual model. But if it is just recreated from scratch?- than who knows. Besides, pretty sure there is only so many ways you can create a ray like fish before it end sup similar to another medium.
@@Dartanyan_1 I feel like what Nintendo will do is try to get all the pals that ripped models from their games removed since it's their models that are being used without permission. The rest of the gameplay is different enough where the legally ok.
At least the video got a boost in visits and engagement.
I hope Palworld does well, Pokémon needs the competition.
seems like it’s doing very well, over 2 million copies sold under 24 hours
Pokemon technically already has compatition in games like Temtem and so on
... I mean without watching this video I can answer this question by saying it likely legal for the exact same reason that the entire monster taming genre as a whole is legal because they aren't Pokemon, it's own unique thing. Surely there was nobody actually confused about this, right? I mean if they were, they must be people who also don't know that monster taming games that aren't Pokemon exist.
Pokemon fans are a cult these days, everything within the genre looks like a Pokemon to them and needs to be sued or review bombed.
Considering many call Digimon a rip-off despite Pokemon not even being the first monster taming game, there are plenty of people butthurt about other monster taming games sadly.
I honestly do think it's lack of familiarity. People always try to relate new games to what they know of, so they'll come up with comparisons to games that have only extremely surface-level similarities. I've pretty often found myself squinting and going "wait, what?" with some of the ones I've seen people come up with. With this one I've brought up Temtem a lot as a "if they didn't sue Temtem they can't sue Palworld" example and *so* many people have never even heard of that, even though it's a pretty popular game - and it's even available on the Switch, so Nintendo isn't trying to pretend it doesn't exist or anything.
DIGIMON
Sure, they're very different (gundogs!) But it's a similar game flow...
"Own unique thing"?!? Come on, don't fool yourself
Lmao, aged like milk since Pokemon just sued PalWorld
Oh boy. This video aged BADLY.
I think studio ghibli is the one that gonna after them..i saw yellow totoro in the game lol..
Ah, yes, the Electivire fused with Totoro was a bit jarring, but not as jarring as Egyptian Lucario or basically Zoroark.
Heck, Cremis is lterally Eevee.
@@TheShyWhiteMage you mean, markiplier's most smashable pokemon (in theory)?
Fast foward to September, 18th and Nintendo just announced they’re suing Palworld.
And for patent infringement, the thing he thought was the least relevant to the discussion.
If Palworld really takes off which I’m thinking it will, I really hope it’ll be a wake up call to GameFreak. Personally I’ve been having more fun with Palworld than I have with the last 4 generations of Pokémon.
Gamefreak has no reason to wake up, people will just buy their garbage because it has the name Pokemon slapped on it.
If you haven't, check out other monster catcher franchises like SMT, Persona, Digimon, Monster Hunter Stories, etc. As someone who played those before actually finishing a Pokemon game, they're just more fun and interesting imo.
Palworld is a completely different genre of game. It isn't competition for the Pokemon franchise.
A similar example is Them's Fighting Herds, which was a MLP fighting game, but was initially shut down by MLP. They got back and changed the character designs to be legally distinct, and now the game's released out in the wild
Really good example actually.
Gamers when they find out genres exist and games can be in the same genre
(Like the whole tf2 clone argument whenever a team based shooter is released)
People are being super reductive when it comes to comparing Pals to Pokemon. I have seen many videos now where the person is like 'Hey, that is a !' and I just don't see it. Is it because it is standing on two legs and is yellow? They are all unique designs but use a similar art style, so people just become face blind or something so they can feel special 'spotting' something familiar
Pokemon fans are a cult these days, everything within the genre looks like a Pokemon to them and needs to be sued or review bombed.
Tbh, i am getting sick and tired of such mindsets, as much as i like pokemon on its own, it doesnt mean people can tear apart anything and everything in the genre just because it has even one thing similar and ignore all else
When will people (especially in the west, where i live) finally realise that you can have monsters that fight eachother and it not be pokemon?!
I think it might be a sign of affection sometimes - I love Wooloo and I watched the trailer and thought "Aww, that fluffy one looks like a Wooloo! I want one now!"
@@headphonesaxolotl The difference is that some people see a creature that looks like Wooloo and get angry, they start contacting Nintendo to take down the game and try to review bomb it and so on.
@@MrMrvotie ya know, i was wondering when someone would mention him
I'd say no they can't sue it's similar but distinct enough to be different for example it's actually a different genre of game closest to ark or rust just swap dinosaurs/zombies to "pals"
Except they can sue if the designs of the Pals are the same, which is the case with a Dark Fur Dog, which has the exact same body shape, exact same pose and the exact same white fur around the neck as Dusk Lycanroc. That one is a 1:1 rip-off.
They can sue though... there's no limitation preventing them from bringing it to court and asking for a jury decision. Are you 100% sure a jury would find no similarities? Would you bet your life on that?
Ironically, Game Freak suing Pocketpair for patent infringement (i think thats the term). Apprently Game Freak hasnt disclosed what patent they had infringed, and Pocketpair doesnt know it either. But the PP attorney has a theory its the "Pokeball or Catch Em patent".
Throw ball, catch creature. But, it might even be catch creature with an item general. If its throw ball, then it might be (loose quote, might be) easy to just change the shape of the pal sphere. If not, then Catch Em games could be in trouble. I dont know about games like Digimon, Nexomon, Coromon, Temtem, Ooblets, Casette Beasts, etc for they have Catch Em. But some arent Japanese, and some dont have "throw thing, catch thing". And all of them dont have a sphere (at least last i checked).
Another thing is Game Freak made the patent in December of 2021, months after the announcement of Palworld (June 2021) and they're throwing the book now after Palworld just got their game on PS5.
So legally, it is patentable because its a game mechanic. But at the same time, if its the core Throw Item and Catch Them, then many games in the future, especially smaller indie games, can suffer because of this dumb patent. But if its just sphere, that can be worked around as long as no one else patents Capture by Dance, Capture by Recording, Capture by Download, Capture by Triangle, Capture by Card, etc.
I don't think people have problems with the fact that there's someone who made a monster catching game or the "artstyle". That's not the point.
I believe people have problems with the fact, that ideas and designs were copied and stolen - in many cases even 1:1. That's not an artstyle issue.
There's no problem with getting a bit of inspiration from other games, but copy-paste is another story. AI might've been involved, too.
Also, looking at the history of the company that made Palworld... well, it doesn't look like they like to work much, but rather just steal and make easy money from that.
The problem isn't just, that these monsters look like Pokemon, it's that they are Pokemon - some with more changes, some with less.
Apparently, Rowlet or Torchic are 1:1 copies, but not just their model, but even their animations, too. The audacity...
So I believe they could get into trouble with that squint test for sure. But not only the squint test, I believe:
As you said, it's fine to get inspiration, e.g. from another book, but it's not okay to just copy parts of it - aka. derivative work.
Ideas are fine, but designs are copyright, and it's pretty obvious they didn't just mimic an artstyle. They just copied designs - as mentioned above, 1:1 in several cases.
I think anyone who ever designed or created something original, if it's an idea or art or whatever, should be angry at the behaviour of this company. Additionally, anyone who cares about quality should, too. Because this game didn't take much effort, but only the hard work of copying someone else's homework.
So in my opinion, they surely deserve to get sued to hell.
Let them make the same game again but actually put effort into it and make original designs.
I'd gladly spend money on that - not on that level of plagiarism though.
I believe this is why only a minority of people are actually angry at this, because we've actually created things and would not be happy if someone had stolen our works without permission.
What do you mean? Nintendo doesnt own the monster catching genre though. Gameplay is different, idea is different. It's just inspired, not copy pasted.
Heck, Direhowl is literally a Lycanroc with black fur (It even has the same white fur around its neck as Dusk Lycanroc).
@@paulogonzales847 Thats not true.
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Black fur Lycanroc with the exact same white fur around the neck as Dusk Lycanroc.
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@@paulogonzales847 Not sure if you're just a troll or this is bait, but no one just argues that the gameplay is copied from Pokemon. Other games were much closer in gameplay to Pokemon. This game closer to something like Ark+BOTW+Pokemon, or not necessarily even Pokemon, but the monster-tamer genre.
i don't see the Copyright/Pokemon defenders argue with such BS. I only hear these weak arguments from the palworld/plagiarism defenders. Seems like some are trying to come up with dumb "arguments" to ridicule the others.
Talking to palworld/plagiarism defenders really feels like talking to some sort of flat-earther or climate change denier. It's quite insane and sad to see.
People are not necessarily unhappy about the gameplay, but about exact copies of designs - not general ideas or the gameplay.
Getting inspiration to make something new and original is fine, simply copying someone else's work isn't, and it surely doesn't deserve any praise - rather the opposite. It's lazy and far from creative.
This needs to be seen more, so many people don't understand the laws surrounding these controversies.
agreed. just look at the fact Nintendo is leaving these developers alone, but is actively persuing legal actions against modders trying to replace palworld creatures with actual pokemon is telling enough. Nintendo know they wont win a suit against palworld so they go after modders that actualy uses pokemon and try to turn palworld into pokemon.
For some people It's like Digimon never existed haha. That was basically pokemon with a flip concept flips, same for yugioh to a lesser degree.
Regarding trademarks there are two different types of trademarks. There are registered trademarks which will have the circle R symbol. And then there are unregistered common law trademarks which you'll often see with a TM symbol. You do not need to register a trademark to use the TM symbol, so just because you can't find a trademark in a database that doesn't mean it's necessarily available. It's just not registered.
Here's what I think
Nintendo: We're sueing Palworld for copying designs.
Dragon Quest: Go on, keep talking, I'm liking where this is going on.
Nintendo: Maybe not.
What I would like to know is if AI generation was used in creating the designs (specifically the designs) of Pals. I've heard people say that the devs have said the models were all made in-house (though i can't seem to find that, all I can find is the director saying that slanderous comments and death threats have been made towards the artists), and while I do find that questionable given just _how_ similar some Pal models are to Pokemon counterparts, that's for TPC to find out about.
However, between the very similar design elements seen in Pals, the director having endorsed AI himself, and PocketPair's previous work also using AI, it would be very _easy_ to believe that AI was used to take those elements from Pokemon and mix them into what we see in Palworld. And if it _is_ the case that AI was used, I'm pretty sure this would be one of the (if not the) biggest examples of that. In that case, it would be the perfect time to come to a decision on what an ethical use of AI for the purposes of art would be.
I know a lot of people don't care because its happening to Pokemon, and while I understand the "stick it to the man" mentality, this didn't _have_ to happen to Pokemon. This kind of situation could very easily be reversed, where it's a large company taking from smaller teams, and it's that possibility that's why I want a legal decision to be made.
I’m here from the future where Pokémon HAS sued Pal World.
Oh god PLEASE let this be true! I truly hope this game gets far and doesnt get sued into oblivion... Thank you for this video it really brought hope to me.(Lets just hope Greedendo doesnt sink its teeth into it)😇
Also remember guys Temtem is on the official Nintendo eshop. And that is very close in gameplay to Pokemon.
I mean, hardly any of those look like Pokémon
@@supaded973 And there are tons of Pals that look nothing like Pokemon. I could easily go into Temtem and use the same "logic" people are using to bash palworlds designs. Look, a fire lion! Clearly a rip off. Ohh, a fancy bird! also a rip off. A yellow bug with four legs? A muscular biepedal creature with four arms? Wow guys, so original!
See, when you break down someones designs into it's basics and try to claim they are just copies, all you're seeing is something a little familiar. Pokemon owns none of the above concepts and if you compared the designs of these similar looking creatures between Temtem and Pokemon you'd be able to tell them apart. The same goes for Palworld. A lot of the people crying "omg, this was copied!" are pointing out general design aspects or things the company cannot claim as their own. Anubis and Lucario are very different, their ONLY similarity is that they are bipedal canines. You can't own a hair style, you can't own the idea of horns, or eyes, or hands, or feathers.
The amount of Pokemon Paldean ads I got during this video was wild! 😂
I love videos like this because it dares Nintendo to sue PalWorld.
What about P.E.T.A? I’m genuinely surprised they haven’t gone absolutely ballistic yet.
This isn't the early 2000s. Nobody really cares what they think these days.
@@Eisenbison ‘Kay, but you’ve gotta admit it’s strange that they haven’t
Pokemon fans when they find out pokemon did in fact not invent cartoony monsters: *surprised pikachu face*
It's lowkey sad that diehard Pokemon fans consistently contacted The Pokemon Company to do something about Palworld, only for them to basically say "Yes, we've heard about Palworld but unless they are using our Pokemon, that's when we'll take action."
the only hope for Nintendo, is trying to prove that the meshes used for the characters are indeed rips of their own meshes, from their Pokemon releases.
and that's a stretch.
pokemon fans love palworld, Nintendo fans hate it
@@bcn1gh7h4wk You can clearly tell they are blatant rip offs
@@AdamDawson3 deniable until I see proof that the data structure is a 1:1 to the meshes FROM the Pokemon games.
"This a family channel"
*wolves immediately get blown up*
lmao!! great vid! you've go another sub!
As my uncle is a patent lawyer his statements of why certain companies are hell bent on firing lawsuits on any and everyone whom they even deem is attempting to touch on their copyright is actually because they can lose it if they do not protect it. Many companies and many common name items originally came from copy right filings which never did attempt to fight against anyone infringing possibly on the trademark etc. A few examples are aspirin and laundromats. Coke Cola though does not have a patent for the product itself. If they did they would have to disclose the ingredients of the product.
I remeber hearing about that being a reason that nintendo did not want people to call video game consoles 'nintendos'.
Lime Zest, Cilantro, and sugar. Coke will use high fructose corn syrup but it's much better with real cane sugar or even caramel.
@@davidfernelz IMO the cane sugar is what keeps all of South America so addicted. The rest of the world instead got subjected to the artificial sweeteners craze, which thankfully is being pulled back.
Exactly, even if they know they will loose, if its close enough they might try just to prove they are vigilant to protect their IP, and also of cause try to scare others from even trying :)
The Palworld drama basically boils down to people acting like Pokemon owns the concept of monster-taming/creature-collecting (Partly Due to not understanding copyright law) also a lot of people don't understand the differences between inspiration and plagiarism in general nowadays