Why Pokémon Sued PalWorld over Patents, Not Copyright
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- So we did a video ( • Why Pokémon Didn't Sue... ) about how PalWorld is safe from copyright and trademark lawsuits.
Then Nintendo and the Pokemon Company sued Palworld over patent infringement instead.
Join us on an amazing adventure as Kotor attempts to dig his way up out of this hole, because what he said was correct, and the fact that PalWorld's in trouble over patents of all things is an indication of just how little Nintendo has against Pocket Pair from a copyright perspective.
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To the commentors who are getting angry on behalf of palworld's developer... congratulations, you've fallen for, and are now just defending... ragebait. The entire reason why the game is popular- is just because the game is extremely effective, extremely intentional ragebait. I would be mad too. "Boo hoo, I don't care if an indie dev attacks the multimillionaire corporation!" The Palworld devs are also trying to steal ideas from hollow knight, a game by an ACTUAL indie dev. Indie dev is a title of honor, the palworld devs don't deserve that.
Patents should be required to be super specific such that only a direct copy is in violation. That's my $.02.
It really comes down to them not being experts in every field. They may have to approve medicine one moment and the next they are being asked hey I have this really unique idea it 10 mins of jargon related to specific industry. They may put in a good faith effort to make sure it's not taken but it's so dense and has so much filler it's impossible. Nintendo takes 2 paragraphs just to explain modern controllers use 2 sticks to aim. The patent isn't even for aiming
Pre-order Pokéman: Unpatented Version today.
That is what copyright is though, patents are for processes.
imo, this vague patent nonsense *should* result in the patents being unenforceable in court.
They shouldn't be granted in the first place, because they're not specific enough to replicate.
The patent system needs an overhaul, and the patent office needs more funding.
@@logicalfundy nah patents are just worthless int the first place they hand them out like candy. FFS TPC owns the concept of Vending machines not a specific type just VENDING MACHINES.
The EU just throws out software patent cases. Look at the oceanhorn games. They are very similar to Zelda and the devs happen to be from Finland. If I was a gamedev, i would be terrified of patents.
@@snintendog All the more reason to reform patents, as stupid stuff is getting patented.
Nintendo does now own these Patents. Pokemon started filing Patents in 2007. This is after a few monster taming titles use them. So Pokemon's patents are false.
what patents did they really own back in the day besides palworld
They never owned palworld, they “owned” a patent for monster catching games, which isn’t valid due to the existence to dragon quest and persona and SMT and thousands of other games that have similar mechanics
@@natsuokirigya4080 is palworld going to get removed from steam and xbox?
@@natsuokirigya4080 Nintendo is playing with fire. This is a lawsuit they will lose. The Patent the Pokemon company filed about throwing an item to catch and summon a creature was filed in 2021. But this way to catch a monster was used by Nexomon in 2020. a year BEFORE the Pokemon company made Patent.
@@natsuokirigya4080 all of those monster catching games don't have the player enter aim mode then throw an object at monster then enter rng sequences to capture it.
unless Nintendo is planning on buying Studio Wildcard they have about as much grounds to sue Palworld over the concept of Open World Monster-Taming Survival Games as my nutsack.
because Palworld takes far FAAAAAAAAAR more directly from Ark Survival Evolved than Pokémon as far as actual gameplay and everything else.
Nintendo NEEEEEEEEDS to lose this lawsuit, more than any other one in history.
Bringing up ARK is interesting. They have Cryopods that function almost like pokeballs. Granted, you have to tame a creature normally first, cant capture it with one, but the part about throwing object to release thing that then fights other thing is the same.
Will not keep them from trying though. Mostly if they feel there is money to be had, if they do somehow win.
Oh, so now that they're being sued it's no longer actually competition to Pokemon.
Got it.
@@RenSako I never said it *wasn't* competition to Pokèmon it very much so is.
I said they stole a lot more from Ark than Pokemon which as someone who's been addicted to Ark for all 10 years, I can blatantly tell they stole SO much more from Ark than Pokèmon from a gameplay standpoint.
Public opinion on playstation is at an all time low, and all Nintendo needed to do to single handedly dominate the upcoming console generation was just to not be a-holes..........
.....and ofcourse they're choosing to be a-holes
@@RedEyesBlackKnight Do you have evidence of your claim?
@@DigiRangerScott sony is VERY HATED CONCORD PS5PRO. Do ineed to go one beyond the GIANT BIG EFFUPS?
How are they being assholes?
Pretty sure stealing assets is being an asshole, if anything.
@@snintendog What nonsense are you spewing
@@RenSako this is not about stealing assets... ffs, i swear people coming here just have awful attention span and doesnt watch this video at all.
What Nintendo wants is to dry up small indie company on legal fees until they buckle up and gave up.
This is what I was thinking, as they are probably releasing on consoles soon. Odd timings on all this to not be deliberate on Nintendos part. IMHO.
We don’t even know which patents, maybe they have an argument why are we jumping to conclusions? We don’t know which patents they’re going after, we will learn more if they have a case or not eventually
The company is heavily invested in AI, and crypto. They may be hard to dry up.
Ah yes, the small indie that has over 100 employees by now and raked in several hundred millions. The typical indie dev.
They arent really indie anymore or at least a very rich indie company now, palworld has made tons think nintendo is a bit too late for that plan. They patented monster catching in japan i guess or the idea of catching monsters in a field. it recently went through in like august so it may not have much standing but these are japanese patents and laws so.
By Nintendo's Logic that would mean David Crane would be able to sue them over the Mario Patents because technically speaking his game Pitfall 2: The Lost Caverns "Which came out in 1984 for the Atari 2600" had beat Super Mario Bros to the punch for things like scrolling screens and collectable power ups.
You don’t know what their logic is
Sadly even if they did want to, I think statues of limitations would prevent him from doing so at this point. But I agree with your point
Pitfall 2 contains no collectable power ups. There are items that grant points, checkpoints, and balloons that can be grabbed to fly in one specific location until the balloon inevitably hits an object, but no power ups.
Did they specifically patent those mechanics?
@@RG-Zeldaplayer Maybe, but even so you'd think Nintendo wouldn't be able to enforce their will much like King wasn't able to do awhile back either when they decided that they had the exclusive right to make Match 3 Puzzle Games with Candy and/or Crush in them.
as if the Nemesis patent wasn't bad enough. Moral of the story is that "Nintendo" and "can't sue" cannot go in the same phrase. They'll find a way.
(as a side note, the large corporation tactics are not exclusive to copyright. A bank sued me, knowing they were in the wrong and knowing that I did not have the resources to fight them for as long as they could keep up pushing the lawsuit. 10 years. And the cost of their interns to keep pushing it was probably higher than what they're asking for)
The Nemesis system patent still pisses me off. honestly a fun and interesting, and innovative, concept that will now never be used in any other game for decades.
The only mistake made was believing Nintendo and/or TPC to _not_ be greedy/petty enough to find *any* avenue to sue Palworld over.
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they stole assets tho didnt they?
@@lucin_4no.
That first patent should get thrown out. Due to its vagueness it could be applied on anything from digital cameras to scanners.
This honestly made me REALLY hate Nintendo and this could be a huge problem in the gaming industry if they suddenly take a monopoly on monster taming.
Edit: I am aware they are currently going after the specific patent of throwing a ball to catch something, but if you read other ones they have, some of them are super vague and include things like vague mount mechanics which can also go outside of the monster taming games.
They aren’t gonna monopolize the monster taming genre. You still have great games that avoided being too much like Pokémon like cassette beast, digimon, dragon quest monsters, tem tems, etc….
This is really about "Pokémon with guns".
They leaned into that marketing and Nintendo/TPCI doesn't want their brand associated with such a kid-unfriendly message.
Ultimately I don't think they intend to finish the lawsuit and have precedent set. I think they're aiming to force Palworld Devs to settle.
They can't monopolize monster taming. Dragon Quest Monsters, Shin Megami Tensei, and Digimon exist and they mostly predate pokemon.
Rather, I think what they are suing over is actually more the specifics surrounding using a ball to capture monsters. Which for the most part, they are the only product to have done that before Palworld. So they may actually have a case.
@@ChristopherFerguson I find that ironic since in the original tv series there were 2 episodes with weapons.
1. has an old lady firing a bazooka at a giant tentacruel (the same tentacruel in the global into that destroys a building btw)
2. is the safari zone episode where the safari owner points a guy at ash and his friends (who are kids), then team rocket, then fires it at team rocket; who then take said gun and point it at him and ash and his friends.
Granted pokemon wants to pretend this never happened; like how the slot machines in gen 1 games is replaced or gone since gambling isn't for kids (although being around for the early 2000's kids is kinda weird) but regardless of what they say or do, it did happen. It means they themselves have done it.
Thing is, monsters with guns isn't new. Digimon literally has loads of guns and even deputymon is a gun monster who wields 2 guns. If that was the problem Digimon would be hit themselves as well. Which is akward since they are younger than pokemon; but are a spinoff of tamagotchi which is older than pokemon.
So why do I bring them up? Well if Nintendo wins this patent, everyone is affected; those I mentioned included. This also means they will pick a fight with dragon quest, a game that did monster capturing before pokemon ever did it; so if nintendo can do it, so can they. Who are under Square Enix who aren't exactly new around this legal stuff; they have a whole lot of money there too so Nintendo might actually lose to them.
@@megawill04 Palworld isn't too much like Pokemon, despite the similarity between Pals and Pokemon in design, the Core Gameplay loop is actually quite different to Pokemon and is more similar to survival games than monster fighters.
Pokemon company, spend more money on development of your garbage-quality tier games and less on your lawyers.
Palworld, make your own models and have your own ideas.
@@RenSako A suggestion, come up with an idea, then see if someone else has already come up with that idea. Come back to me when you find one that nobody else has come up with and I might have a publisher by then.
If they win this it would be stupid, They would have to demand Digimon and others series for the creature Collector theme, just because they made Pokemon they can't just cancel other games inspired by it, it's a whole Genre on it's own.
You think it’s about creature collecting because you’re stupid
Digimon (Story) works very differently from Pokemon and Palworld. You scan Digimon, you capture Pokemon. You need to encounter multiple Digimon to scan then and reproduce them in your base, which is very different from Pokemon and Palworld. In them you have to beat the mon up and then throw a ball.
What is similar:
-Storage and party size (all 3 games have it so you can only get up to 6 mons. And you can store them in a digital storage). However a similarity Pokemon and Palworld Share is that when you capture a 7th mon, it goes into your storage... but Persona 4-5 have a similar system.
- As mentioned before: beat to catch is similar between Palworld and Pokemon that no other big game have. In Persona you talk to them, in Digimon you scan them. The only others that imitate the system are small ones like Temtem and Nexomon. So it can be that they are small, or that they are next on the chopping block.
It would be interesting comparing and constrasting what Palworld did that Digimon or Persona (or other AAA monster catchers) have/haven't done
Digimon was being developed even before Pokemon, but when it got released pokemon was already out, so they couldn't demand digimon when it came out.
@@icarue993 Actually Digimon RPG / Battle is a digimon mmorpg where you have to capture them with net; scanning in that game is only for a digidex to tell you where they are. The reason I bring this up is, Digimon likes trying a wide variety of games, so although digimon story doesn't use the same capture system; others may do.
I only played a few so far though, but I fear that even just 1 digimon game with said mechanic will give nintendo enough reason to take digimon down; regardless if the others don't. I could be wrong, but I fear Nintendo winning this will affect everyone.
Its too soon to assume the patent is over the monster catcher genre as a whole there could be certain systems or other specific mechanics that could be what nintendo go after
Thanks for doing actual research for this and not just assuming it was copyright, like plenty of other people are thinking.
Yep, Nintendo will sue for just about anything if they don't like it. This just proves it again.
Nintendo’s lawyers are the most feared things ever
57 Wins 3 Loses.
But what about the Ninteninjas?
Kind of funny that Nintendo hasn't sued PocketPair earlier since Craftopia pulls a lot of stuff from Legend of Zelda BOTW
Iono…you could also say TOTK pulls building mechanics from craftopia? Not sure if craft had that when it released in 2020 but BOTW certainly didn’t
What are they gonna sue over next? Temtem?
They don't have a problem with Temtem, they even sell it on switch.
@@TheAkuman27 yeah but they’re suing pocketpair over the same things that are in temtem. Or nexomon. Or cassette beasts. Or world of final fantasy.
@@RrraverCrow I think they just don't like Pocketpair and are using patents as an excuse.
Pokémon with Guns.
That's why.
They don't want their brand for kids to be associated with a kid-unfriendly topic.
Temtem isn't Pokémon with guns. So it's fine.
Don’t forget Coromon
why did they not specify the patents? is this youtube copyrights system all over again?
they dont have to disclose that to us, but obviously its named in the lawsuit
Not even PocketPair knows what patents they specifically "infringed"
@@MilkJugA_ they HAVE to disclose that to Poket pair and even witht he papers it doesnt include the infringment. This is just Lawfare.
Nintendo really likes to remind people how petty they can be, huh?
Still not as petty as others, smh.
@@nathanael9159 Is that supossed to be an achievement?
@@kazoorion7993in the gaming industry? Kind of, yes.
Nintendo is kind of chill for a gaming company, and a bunch of entitled children on the internet being mad at them because they have to actually pay for games or, say, aren't able to steal ideas freely from them, doesn't make them the bad guys.
@@RenSako nintendo chill... right. When the Nintendo Ninjas have been a meme PREdating the internet.
@@kazoorion7993 No?
i dont like the game but the CEO's of PocketPair is right on what he said about this lawsuit (something about not being aware on what patent they actually "infringed")
This game was revealed to the public three years before. If Nintendo had an issue with this, they could already struck them down three years ago... only for Nintendo to strike them down now like this (epsecially when its about a vaguely described patent)... its pretty devious to be honest.
My theory is this, I feel like the reason why TPC (The Pokemon Company) feels threatened to take action now is because of Sony. Sony did announce that they are teaming up with PocketPair to help with expanding the IP other than the games (a.k.a merchandising and advertising) and that can affect TPC. (You have to remember that Pokemon's main income comes from merchandise (Anime, Toys and Cards), not their games)
Imagine an adult buying a Palworld plushie for their kids, thinking that its a Pokemon plushie hahaha.
I'm guessing these patents will have more to do with UX elements, than traditional monster catching mechanics.
To give further clarification this is a Patent infringement lawsuit, not Copyright infringement like everyone thought back in the day. So this lawsuit has nothing to do with artwork of character design. Instead it invovles mecahincs.
The mechanics in question that Nintendo patented and are suing for is (apparently)
(1) The targeting system of tossing an object at a mon in an overworld, like what we see in Legends Arceus.
(2) Getting on and off a flying mount in the overworld.
(3) And releasing creatures into the over world via and object.
Whas even crazier is that (at least the targeting system one) the patent(s) was either refiled in May of this year, which was right before Sony and Pocketpair went through on a new dealing for a partnership to branch palworld into many of the same avenues that pokemon does.
2 of those 3 don't even make sense, what are they going to do net sue ark survival evolved because you can mount flying creatures such as Pteranodons and the argentavis, or what they are also going to sue ark because of the cryopod, that is way too vague why is that allowed
@@goob1in606 It's like he said in the video, if they wanted to Nintendo can target many other games that have or have yet to come release with these same Lawsuits. The only real reason they are targeting PocketPair is because of how much money they made and they are in the same genre of game.
Flying mount:
Horizon Forbidden West
ARK
half the mounts in WoW
and a plethora of other games.
Releasing creature into the world via object:
TemTem
Coromon
ARK
and more
Its ridiculous. Boardgames and TTRPGs already established that you can't patent game mechanics. It's absurd that video games and software don't follow the same logic
@@darryljack6612 its lawfare plain and simple All pocket pair as to do is point to ULTRAMAN, Hell even DRAGON QUEST and instantly invoke That It isnt TPC's patent to hold and argue TPC has NO RIGHT to Hold the patent PERIOD. it ta KONG situation all over again.
How Nintendo improve their games?
Sue the Competitors.
Then produce the same thing again.
Buying a copy of palworld to supply their legal funds
Isnt Sony backing the company by now? This is gonna be interesting.
Well by Nintendo and The Pokemon company's logic they owe Square Enix because dragon quest did all of this first
DQ wasn't the first. The first was some scifi game in the 1980s
@@AmericanbadashhFirst was Digital Devil Story Megami Tensei for the NES. Which was developed by Atlus and the IP owned by SEGA since SEGA bought Atlus in 2015. SEGA could very easily sue Nintendo for making a monster catching RPG after them.
@@KrimsonKattYTsonic may just get his rivalry revenge :)
It’s just like Lego and mega construx, legos patent expired so mega blox was made.
Nintendo owns the patent for capturing, storing, and retrieving creatures from a capsule. I suspect that's one they're using.
Yes, that's what I've seen Japanese Twitter users bring up. The patent of the idea of the Poké Ball.
Edit: Specifically throwing spheres at monsters to catch them.
That design doesn't seem specific enough to warrant a patent, but patents have been getting extremely ambiguous for years. Petty and frivolous lawsuits should prevent a company from suing again for a specified period of time. There is way too much lawfare in the corporate world where bigger companies bully smaller companies.
Man Capsule Corp™ really fell asleep at the wheel on protecting that copyright/patent considering Capsules are kinda their whole schtick.
Nintendo created that patent this year just to sue Palworld. Also the concept of collecting creatures in a capsule existed before Pokemon. In fact Game Freak had to change their name from Capsulemon to Pokemon in order to avoid copyright infringement.
@@magnadramon0068 Didn't dragonball have items in capsules in the 80s? Technically the patent should belong to Akira Toriyama's family. Although I don't think patents that simple should exist to begin with because it falls into that realm of other people can easily come up with the same idea on their own. Game patents outside of complex AI and intricate design logos, buildings, or characters should not exist.
Because they don't have a case but the suits really need one for PR. That's when you sue for something as vague as patents. Nintendo is going to court over "how to throw a ball" because the Pals legally don't infringe copyright.
9 months and the strongest lawyers in the world can't get the Pals on copyright infringement.
The player character: obviously trying to look like Pokemon
The monster design: obviously trying to look like Pokemon
The art Direction: obviously trying to look like Pokemon
The capture mechanics: obviously trying to look like Pokemon
This guy's take: Nintendo is being petty.
It's not just this guy. That seems to be the consensus most people are taking from what I have seen. I agree with you but most people I think are either so Pro-Palworld or so Anti-Nintendo that they want to see the worst in Nintendo and the Best in Palworld.
Because they are. NIntendo sucks.
Depends which patent(s) Nintendo is suing over, but the infringement is pretty blatant.
I swear to God, if GF succeeds in the lawsuit and then releases Pokémon LZA in a poor state just like all these years, I will stop buying their products
I've never really liked patents in the first place, it just seems like a perfect way to stifle your own industry. If your competitiors can do something better than you can they should be able to.
This applies to way more than just video games, by the way, I also think it's stupid that you can file patents for food items, like Coke, or even medical items, like coke.
Completely agree. Patents are deeply unethical. I see the case for royalties and credits, but patents are the reason medical corporations gatekeep life saving medications for profits or that we can’t have inventions building more organically of each other. You have to build the same damn thing, with a different method, which may or may not be better, just to finally add the improvements you want on to of it. So much time wasted.
@@silasrogan241 seeing what Patents done to the medical industry made me hate patents in the first place... the moment that one person finds out a solution and cure that can help humanity's recovery, only to be struck down by legal fees and cash because some process and part of it has been patented by one rich dork...
I hope this backfires on Nintendo, and if they do in fact get palworld/pocketpair to give up and drop the game, I hope every single Pokemon and palworld fan boycott’s support for Pokémon’s future games. Ridiculous! We deserve more than just what pokemon gives. Besides Pokemon has been so mediocre/average at best for the last 10 years. They need some competition! And someone else to keep them motivated! Tired of them putting out half assed games.
This patent right control thing sounds like a fascist scheme here.
Nintendos Pokémon is just dog/chicken fight club for kids. From my understanding they are targeting the use of a item being thrown to capture creatures based on %age chance to capture the creature. They are basically targeting the use of a throwable trap that has potential based capture mechanics. They literally didn't invent any of the concepts they claim patents over. Shoot, Nintendo ripped off other games creature designs several times in the past. They have no real arguments, but they have enough money to sue Palworld into the ground... Nintendo is rune by troglodytes.
How did I get an ad for a Pokémon mod for Minecraft right before this video?
Im at the point now where patent, copyright, and trademark law should all be pitched out.
Make it a free for all so its a fair game.
Remember when Palworld came out and the official pokemon media channels posted a lot of stuff, thing that they never do. Even to the point were they were making spoilers for the Indigo Disk DLC that a lot of people was mad about it? And now the petty lawsuit. I am sure now nintendo its scared of palworld
I think that there's also an elements of "Grounds of Success". They may be leveraging a patent claim - that could have been leveraged against other monster catchers (Coromon, Nexomon, Cassette Beasts...) but wasn't because they CHOSE to not enforce it because of how different they were (visual & gameplay-wise). It wouldn't be surprising if the similarities they can't sue over (in terms of the pal designs) is what pushed them over the edge to sue over what they CAN sue (the gameplay patents)
The patent they are suing over was created this year. Nintendo created a patent just to sue Palworld.
@@magnadramon0068 unconfirmed. There are rumors and guesses but it has not been publicly made available which patent or patents are they suing over
@@Hugop_arts Well, the "releasing captured animal via object" one is dated for May this year. Make of that what you will.
@@Hugop_arts Confirmed it was filed may 23rd 2024 and only aproved Aug 22nd 2024 Patent lit didnt exist before. Only other paten was of the same thing and it was used on SOUTHPARK... Southpark won it.
DOn't Nintendo have a parent on the method of catching monsters using Pokeballs? Wouldn't Palworld be in breach of that. Nintendo do have some vague patents, but they specifically patent gameplay mechanics like Tears of the Kingdoms Ascend and Recall abilities. You cannot use those in your own game in the method Nintendo uses.
Palballs are spheres yes and you do catch monsters in them yes. But they lack the same design.
They are a glowing blue, green, yellow, red, etc... orb with some decoration on the top and bottom and some vines that spiral down the side, which do not open but just flash a light to release and float in the air to catch; I just want to clarify this and not really say if they can or can't sue them over this.
However I will say the generic gachapon balls that nearly every vending machine has (especially in japan) are more closer to a pokeball than a palsphere since they are an orb that opens in the center and has a rim where the 2 halves go together; similar to the pokeball design. It depends how close is defined as "the pokeball design" itself.
First paten on it was in 98 South park wont that suit and the patent discards as vague. Looks like they did the same here applying for it again in may and it approved in aug of 2024. History repeats but this time in may be a KONG like loss this time
Those TotK patents were rejected I think, because previous games already used those mechanics. Blinx The Time Sweeper on Xbox comes to mind for a game that already had a "recall" mechanic, along with various other games like Braid. Ascend was probably used in numerous other games as well, but I can't recall any off the top of my head.
And I just saw a video about game devs In japan not actually enforcing patents as a “code of honor” so much for that
You don't know what the patents are.
What is gonna happen with games like TemTem?
There is no certainty yet. But at least when this was asked the developers of Temtem were of the opinion that this doesn't affect them in any way because they are a European studio and Palworld is developed by a Japanese studio.
@@danielmalinen6337 square will sue nintendo then Namco then Sega. It will be a bloodbath of Patent suits.
Patent protections are much broader than copyright.
There's no "fair use" exception that allows you to make the Darkbulb, it's still the same patent as the Lightbulb.
Nintendo probably knows they will lose. I believe this is like a message for small devs that they can just sue people for any reason. Strong arm bully tactics. Remember, they sued a dev over a touch screen joystick from a patent covering a mario 64 ds mechanic. It was settled for 30 mill.
Honestly nintendo not only should lose, they should be properly fined for trying to crush competitors with legal loopholes.
Remember why every racing game had to switch views instantly? Because Sega had the patent over smooth camera transitions in racing games.
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"Nintendo has sole controls over various systems"
This wasn't clear before? Nintendo hasn't been in the gaming industry for around 50 years for nothing?
In short, nintendo is going after pocket pair because they both catch monsters by throwing balls.
What happened to code of honor? Sigh, Nintendo is being hypocritical and contradicting itself…
This is whole situation looks like pokemon is DESPERATE to get rid of their newest most GLARING rival in competition.
Due to them sueing on something vague, there is a good chance this lawsuit won't even work because it is too vague.
A lawsuit NEEDS to be somewhat specific to avoid potential loopholes.
That is why the "nemesis system" patent works so well.
Because it is so through and detailed that it can work no matter what without a issue.
People will tell you that Ninty will bribe the judge to win even if Pocketpair fights, but Ninty can and has lost patent suits before when games were similar but not similar enough for the patent to actually be usable. There was one fire emblem clone made by a former FE dev, ninty got slapped down by the judge on the patent suit, it's only when the guy publicly said "I am making a Fire Emblem game, with Fire Emblem characters this is IP theft" that ninty got him
Pal SPHERE is nothing like the Poké BALL.
Pocketpair should win imo.
Someone made a video on Nintendo suing a company on patents and won for the principle on how you said how patent infringement is treated there, which is an honor code, where they can do the same stuff but don't make a big deal about it. Basically what happened is that that company tried to patent and claim a certain touch control that worked similarly to Nintendo's patent before them, and made a big deal about it, so they sued.
Well for those that didn’t brought the game better do it now before it gets delisted just in case
But what about the ones (myself included) that already own the game?
@@CTC41392 bye bye refunds ig
@@CTC41392For PC, should still be playable solo and dedicated servers if worst happens and official servers get canned.
@@CTC41392 play it
Still waiting for Palworld to be compatible for Playstation...
This is pathetic~ billion dallor company instead of making a better game just sues the people that did make a better game.
Comments saying the OG video aged like milk sure did age like milk.
Every lawsuit reveals how uncreative Nintendo truly is
So essentially they need to sell the company to a larger corporation that can afford to keep the IP protected legally. Essentially the very ugly side of Nintendo that no one likes 😠
Talk about the my smallest detail for this lawsuit. Down to the process.
Did they never sue WoW? If you want a real copy/paste go pick on them.
This is a weird topic, because yes i want Nintendo to protect their intellectual properties so we can continue having Nintendo magic, without an over saturated market of knock off games..... but also palworld does enough different that i wouldn't consider it a knock off like tem tem or other monster tamer games...... and also pokemon has been going downhill for the last couple of generations.
Because money.
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What nonsense is this
My only wish is that, if Nintendo or TPC win this Patent Lawsuit, I hope a bigger company files an even more serious Patent Lawsuit against them in an act of Karma. 😒
SEGA or Square Enix will sue them since they both had monster catchers before Pokemon. Maybe even Bandai Namco as the original Digimon Tomogachis predate Pokemon by around a year.
This is why I love Nintendo, to sue everyone and everything is a signal of a health capitalist company, while they have more lawyers than DEI consultants they will be fine.
Nintendo recently made a patent on rideing swimming and flying on monsters im worried thats what this is.
I mean... Yeah. Palworld surfed the whole "pokemon copyright infringement" vibe and was only popular because of this comparaison. And I believe that this was a case of Palworld exploiting the Pokemon brand. I think that this is the reason why they are suing Palworld and they haven't sued any other Pokemon like games.
I don't see how it's PocketPair's fault if people associate a monster catching game with the most popular monster catching game. There's a ton of other games in this genre out there so why didn't they blew up then?
This isn't a copyright infringement case, though. It's a patent infringement case
@@GmNdWtchr96 Yes I'm well aware?
Edit: Oh my bad, I thought this was directed at me.
If that lawsuit works then I hope square enix files a patent on all monster catching games and sues Nintendo into the ground since that’s the standard they now set
More like SEGA/Atlus sueing Nintendo. Megami Tensei 1 predates Pokemon by an entire decade and predates Dragon Quest 5 by 7 years.
@@KrimsonKattYT this whole thing is dumb. This is a precedent that absolutely should not be set. I hope pocket pair sends out a legal fund donation bc I would donate in a heartbeat
I am hoping Nintendo doesn't win this. The presedants this can set have the potential to be extremely dangerous and stifle game development in favor of the major corporations who can horde all those vague patents.
I get why they do it and Palworld shouldn't get away with it, but they did it in such a scummy and potentially damaging way that i can't defend them either
Both parties are wrong and awful in different ways and i don't wish either to win
This is a low blow, especially from a big company. Feels so wrong, and unfair. They have the resources to make a better game than Palworld, but this is the route they took...
The reasons why they waited are simple. 1. To find a reason (no matter how small) to sue in the first place. 2. To wait long enough for pocketpair to make enough money to sue them for. It's as easy as that. It's what everything is about in this day and age, cash.....and lots of it. Needless to say I've lost all my faith and trust in Nintendo at this point. When there were rom hacks out there of SEGA'S old sonic games they just let it happen, even offering jobs and allowing the rest to continue and end up creating incredible games like Freedom Planet. Nintendo needs to get a clue.
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Because Palworld gameplay it's not turn based it's a real time combat
Based on what I read on other posts, they're sueing them for the game mechanic of: Aiming and throwing something at a character, and that said something captures the character.
If Nintendo win, there will be no monster capturing like game other than pokemon, without Nintendo's approval.
game mechanic patents should be erradicated period.
all i got from this video is that Nintendo is trying to claim legally binding ownership of the gaming equivalent of say horror movies.
Nintendo disgust me.
Truly it disgusts me
MINECRAFT MODS HAD THOSE MECHANICS FOR AGEEESS!
NINTENDO CAN KISS MY A$$ THEY HAVE POKEMON FOR AS LONG I BEEN ALIVE AND CAN NOT MAKE 1 FINISHED GAME
ORAS, Sun and Moon, and Legends Arceus were all fully finished games and were all great, minus ORAS missing the Battle Frontier of course. USUM was glorified DLC for SM with all its exclusive content being just fun little extras (that 100% should have just been DLC instead of forcing you to buy and play the same game twice) and SwSh were also fully finished when you count the DLC with hundreds of hours of content, the best trainer customization in the series, and basically no major glitches. It could also be quite pretty at times, especially with the beautiful character models and some of the towns. BDSP is when Pokemon really started falling off and ESPECIALLY with the disaster that was SV, the Sonic 06 of the Switch era. BDSP looked and played like one of Square's cheap mobile "remakes" of the 2010s like FF Adventure, Secret of Mana, and the old mobile versions of FF5 and FF6, and SV not only looked consistently like a literal PS2 game, (Jak and Daxter 1 looks better when upscaled to 720p) but was also so glitchy and broken that it made Sonic 06 blush. At least Sonic 06 ran at a semi-consistent 30 FPS! SV rarely even hits 20 and is usually sub-10 FPS.
Also Minecraft released in 2011. Pokemon Red and Green released in 1996, 15 years earlier. So no, Minecraft mods did not to it first. Pixelmon, the original Minecraft Pokemon mod, released in 2015. That's 19 years after Pokemon and was released during Gen 6. Cobblemon, it's spiritual successor, was released only in 2021, so it's relatively recent.
The nintendo ninjas strike again!
After hearing the story and commitment from the creators to actually make a fun game even at the cost of profits, it pains me to hear this. I had a blast playing this with my wife when it released. It's genuinely a fun game.
Zelda is in the middle
I’m buying pal world off gamepass today
😂 the game is an obvious rip-off of Pokemon. All of you know that, it's why you call it Pokemon with guns. Everyone in the world that looks at this game and knows what Pokemon is will think this is Pokemon at first.
Didn't pokemon copy dragon quest?
Those are NOT distinct, they're straight up either ripoffs of pokemon designs, or combinations of them. I think palworld would have been fine if they just had unique character designs.
Tell that to nintendo "copying" dragon quest designs
@@Golgo1412 Bro, those "copies" look *nothing* alike.
Again, this isn't about designs, it's about mechanics.
It’s a bad look.
No its very much over copyright, just hidden under patent infringement to get it to court and achieve the same goal. Also some of the Pokemon/Palworld creatures have 1:1 skeletons. But Nintendo took its time and found another way to take them to court. Why doesn't Nintendo go after the other Pokemon clones? Or Zelda clones? Because those dont tow or cross the line in likeness. Anyone whos played Pokemon can watch Palworld and say "Oh that looks like X" or "That likes like Y" right away and thats a problem.
Looking similar to something else is not enough to qualify for copyright infringement. In fact, if Nintendo had a case for copyright infringement they would have brought it. The fact this is a patent suit proves there was no copyright infringement, and this is just Nintendo trying to use lawfare to bully a competitor.
@@augustday9483 Your correct probably not enough to get Pal on infringement, but enough to piss off Nintendo to find some other reason to get them in a court room? We agree at the end that this is a bully move by Nintendo, I'm also saying it's a sneaky/scummy move as well by finding a different way to go after them aka patent infringement. Which others have boiled down to the only thing original in that patent that Pal world also does it's the ball flashing a set amount of times, which if that turns out to be the patent they're going with it's ridiculous and petty as you said.
It was proven multiple times that the skeletal thing was bs put up by some loser on twitter
@@augustday9483Palworld was created specifically to look similar to pokemon to drive up sales though
@@KevinKeys-KK I get what you are saying. This is a petty tactic because Nintendo knows they Legally cant establish a copyright lawsuit against pocketpair.
But it should also be noted that if they wanted to, based off of these Patents they very much could go after other companies and games. They picked Palworld because of how much money it made and a recent deal with Sony to branch of into other forms of media and entertainment for Palworld.
palworld made the mistake of making the capture mechanic be so similar to throwing pokeballs and catching the monsters - and that will be their downfall heh
...so many other game use the same mechanics...so them going after PW after failing to get them with copyright is patty at this point.
also, Nintendo is going with a more detrimental Lawsiut now, which sucks for everyone whos not Nintendo
they are doing it because they are afraid trashtendo is trash but its the fans fault so many games no one complained thats what killed pokemon they stoped carring because they say those losers will buy our game no need to worry and what do you guys get because i hate pokemon what do you guys get nothing new just some dumb cretures nerf of older once and new maps that to me is not a new game if it was world of warcraft and warframe woud have 30 games in 1 face it trashtendo simps they dont care for you they just want your money if they did care they will do what pocket pear dose give you updates on everything new not make a game and are like hers a game now give us your money we dont care about you we just care about your money im surprised they did not do a lawsuit on tem tem because yk that game is a creture fighthing game thats turn based
"Nintendo will never sue Palworld.' -Video Game Story Time
No one should listen to you.
I mean, if it can be proven they did use AI to generate their creatures using real pokemon. Then Nintendo/TPC is 100% justified. Sometimes, the underdog isn't the hero.
That would still fall under copyright infringement though wouldn't it? Patents suits more target game mechanics and such afaik.
That's not really relevant. Nintendo has no patents on AI generated design. What they have just filed and been granted a patent (August 22) for is basically, throwing an aimable capturing device. Publication number: 20240278129, this is the most likely patent. If Nintendo wins that's not really good either because that means no one else will be able to do that either for like 20 years, when really what is essentially the patent for Pokeballs should have been filed a long time ago and expired by now.
Even if it was Palworld was AI generated, Nintendo/TPC still isn't justified because they essentially renewed the Pokeball patent without paying because they said, but look we can aim it in Arceus Legends now, its a whole new thing.
@@NessieNepcorrect
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That makes no sense. Other games like TemTem do that too. And even that has a Switch version. But at least there was some thought and originality put into their creatures.
@@italex827 yup. That's the thing about patents. You can be a prick with them
Calling it petty and calling them jerks is irrelevant. Nintendo don't care about your feelings on the matter, or your Opinions. If you violate their IP's, no matter how tiny, they will come after you. YOU WILL LOSE. Their legal team are terminators. Personally I would never create anything identical to anything they're doing. Palworld knew the risks. Everyone knew this was coming. Why be mad?
It's more about PATENTS rather than copyright. I get they violated the IP, But I'm afraid it is far from that. It has something to do with mechanics. So if Nintendo wins, it's going to be hell for the gaming industry, ESPECIALLY the monster taming genre. So there, I explained it to you, Nintendo fan.
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13:00 chances are they won’t be shut down Nintendo will probably just make them change it whatever it is
Thank man, I had this question like 3 hours ours ago 0:03