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Ford EcoBoost takes on Toyota, Chevy & the Ike Gauntlet Mashup Towing Test ( Episode 2 )
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2013
- ( www.TFLtruck.com ) The 2013 Ford F-150 Ecoboost Pickup is built to tow. But is it better than the Toyota Tundra and the brand new Chevy Silverado? We decided to find out by putting all three pickups up against each other in a Mega Mashup by having them tow the old Lincoln Continental Mark V Diamond in the Rough up one of the steepest and highest American Highways. From Dillion, Colorado to the Eisenhower Tunnel U.S. I-70 climbs 8 miles to a maximum elevation of 11,158 feet or 3,401 meters. That's enough elevation and grade to test the most powerful of pickups. Is the Ford F-150 EcoBoost up to the task of towing a over 7,000 pounds up to the top of the tunnel?
In this second TFLtruck Ike Gauntlet video review we test the truck up the Ike Gauntlet see how fast it will tow over 7,000 pounds of old American Luxury car 8 miles up a 7 percent grade to the Eisenhower tunnel with the help of our friend Kent from ( www.MrTruck.com ).
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I have over 200K miles on my Ecoboost and it has been totally reliable. Just 2 tune ups is all I have spent on this engine plus oil changes. The rest of truck is solid and like new!
I love these videos. Just bought a 13 FX-4 with the EcoBoost and the max tow pkg. I pull a 32 foot camping trailer behind it that's close to 10k with the tanks loaded. It works like a champ. I bought the EcoBoost on the torque alone but I'm a big fan of all these half ton trucks. I think I'd be happy with any of them to be honest.
I believe it would have made sense to have the same driver in each vehicle. The problem is that brakes heat the up the most when coming to a complete stop. The driver of the F150 could easily have applied the brake harder and over a shorter period of time as well as performing the majority of the braking (As noticed).
The F150 did really well , impressed !!
The proof is in the pudding. 420 ft/lbs at 2500 RPM. High torque at low RPM, perfect recipe for towing. If it wasn't, big rigs wouldn't be diesel. Haters gonna hate.
truck guy has a LOT of knowledge and is a cool old dude :)
39"-37"= 2" inches right? LOL
The Chevy video will be out Monday, and other trucks (like the new Ram) coming later (hope for late September).
Thanks for the segment on cargo volume. No one else really mentioned that annoyance anymore.
We are not done! We will keep doing the Ike Gauntlet as long as you keep watching. The Ram and other trucks will be tested soon. We hope for end of September.
You have great points! But this towing test is extreme enough that some trucks will not be able to keep 60 MPH all the way up. You saw a little bit of it with the Tundra. It was WOT, but slowing down at times.
I own two commercial 1998 Chevys, they are have the 350 5.7L both with a quarter million miles on them, I have tuned them and changed the oil... I own one 2003 F250 Superduty and I have replaced every major part and most miner parts, totaling $11,900 just to keep it running. Ford's parts department greats me by my name when I walk in their door, Nobody knows my name at the Chevy parts department. With all that said, I love the 48 mpg "average" my wife's Toyota Prius gets...
Nice videos. You guys put a lot of work into these.
This truck did win fair and square but he said that this truck has a higher towing capacity than the Toyota Tundra which is false. This truck has a towing capacity of 9,600 lbs. which is said a couple of times in the video but the Toyota Tundra has a towing capacity of 10,500lbs.
Actually, we said the max tow rating on this F-150 was 9,600lbs. According to Ford. You can check ford.com for more details. This test truck did not have 'Max Trailer Tow' package - which bumps the max to 11,200 lbs.
Great video, I love these towing contests!
Good reviews so far. I'm impressed and I've learned a lot.
Shoulda gave it full steam, done 90 up the hill and totally slayed the competition. I like how they weren't at full throttle, the engine was at a relaxed rpm, and it still beat everything. Ecoboost all the way. The only ecoboost haters are people that have never driven one.
Hi guys really enjoyed the review ! I live in West Virginia where we have I-64 Sand Stone Mountain which is 7% for 5 or 6 miles. An even more interesting test would be one that is closer to the MAX tow rating of these vehicles. I work in the rental equipment business and if you are ever looking for something heavy to tow. Check out your local United Rentals or Sunbelt. A towable 125 KW Generator Unit would weigh about 11,000lbs. This way you could hold them all WOT the whole time. Thanks
Why do you measure the brake temperature on the driver's side, exposing yourselves to traffic.
This was likely mentioned months ago... but how could you measure from 39" stock to 37" w/ load and YELL "3 inches!" as if you cannot subtract as well as a 2nd grader! 39 minus 37 equals TWO(2)... NOT 3!
Man, Roman, you guys out did yourselves. Very balanced.
you guys put out awesome videos please continue
Monday, can't wait to see how it does .
Love your towing videos!
Really enjoy these video's guy's! Keep It up!
Thank you! i love the higher capacity.
how about testing a supercharged Tundra just to offset the elevation effect?!
if they were smart enough to have one on the market, but im afraid ford beat everybody to the punch....haha!!
They do now
Price difference, $8K. Supercharger upgrade time for the Tundra! :)
i am with you on this. i traded my 99 extended for a 03 crew cab. granted it is a bigger motor but the mileage is at 8 mpg in the 03 vs. 18 in the 99
The issue with turbocharging an engine is primarily the accelerated wear on the piston rings.
With a steady diet of towing these engines won't see 100,000 miles.
Depends on the configuration. I think the max tow package has other options in addition to the 3.73 axle.
It aggravates me that Ford acts like they invented the turbo to provide power when you need it and fuel economy when you don't. That's a concept that has been prevalent in the auto industry for at least 4 decades that I know of
But if they all travel the same route at no faster then 60mph, then of course they will all take about the same time... unless they struggle to keep at 60.
That’s the point of the test
"Echo" "V4", 9600lbs, you mean 11,000 lbs towing capacity?
3.73 as the lowest when it's actually 4.11?
How do you guys review these things with all of this information?
sweet! awesome review guys, any chance you are gonna throw in the 8 speed ecodiesle as well? Im waiting on a real world test of that combo as i am eyeing it for my new DD.
I bet they added a few more bungee cords to hold that Tundra's bed on for this test!
I'd pay to see that!
It would hold it's own too!
The limited has the All wheel drive option and the 22" rims which drops the tow rating to 9000 lbs. They should have used an FX4 or a lariat to do the test with the 11,300 lb tow rating. Also the drop was increased because of this too.
I pull a 10K 5th wheel with my ECO Boost with no problem. Max tow package, 4X4. 65 mph @ 2000rpm. Been pulling it around for a year. Raised the box on 5th wheel to clear the bed rails on turns. Not over weight. Love my Ford.
You make me laugh especially Nathan with his it's gonna go very will since it's blue!!!! Love your videos!
You can tell they are Chevy people, just by the little comments they throw in "in the uncomfortable middle seat" .. I have road in all different types of pickups and honestly Fords is the most comfortable in my eyes with the most room. Added more, F150 is the best selling pickup for how long now? If they suck so bad why are people STILL buying them year after year? Along with the best selling company? And if you have ever watched Ford's websites, they do over and over crash test ratings, they over do it so when I'm traveling down the interstate, I can feel safe. A Ford Ranger saved my brothers life and a Ford Focus saved my friends life and for that I will forever love Ford, might possibly not always own a Ford but they will have my respect!
+jmd11185 nope, pretty good here 😂
Jordan Dublin lol no way. Ford is not the most comfortable. If GM is known for anything, it’s the comfortable seats and smoother ride.
So the test was to see which Truck could get up ike the fastest @ 60 mph? What weighs more a ton of bricks or a ton of feathers?
You guys have really come a long way, especially Andre. Congrats fellas
MKS 3.5L V6 ecoboost AWD, been selling since 2009.
True. And I'm looking forward to seeing how The General's product does. It just seemed to me that you guys were assuming there would be differences, maybe big differences, in the times. And I was surprised at how much quicker the Ford was than the Toyota (yay boost!). But it's the same distance and (roughly) the same speed so times should be similar.
The trailer wasn't carrying quite as much of the braking, which was part of it. The final drive ratio of the Tundra was also much lower, which means you get better engine braking. The 22's on the F150 limited may also have played a role. I don't know if those have a larger outer diameter than the wheels on the Tundra, but if they do that gives the wheels more leverage against the brakes - making them work harder.
i think the test is GREAT!! but a limited with 22 inch wheels is not for towing im impressed it did as good with 22's lol
My wife mainly drove the truck, she had a long commute to work, she had to fill up nearly twice a week at $100.00 a tank, it got expensive real quick. Whereas I worked 4 miles from home and a tank would last me a month. I worked at a gm dealership so when I went to ford I wanted to be loyal to the brand so we traded the 09 G6 which got mid 20's on fuel. Since going back to gm we traded the f-150 for a '13 Buick Regal GS 6 speed manual, I have seen it on 30.2 mpg running 80mph on a 1500 mi trip
The 3.73 rear end is there because the 22'' Wheel tire combo is so large it needs shorter gearing. And also the ties on the 22" wheels are not up to the task of towing 11,100lbs.
What kind of hitch system is being used at 5:24 that lets you shift left and right?
The EcoBoost only gets good fuel economy when it's empty. It get's worse mileage than the 5.0 with a load or a trailer, I bet with the max 11,300# trailer the 6.2L would get better mileage in an F150.
My Ecoboost does great!!! It easily compares to my 2008 F250 6.0 diesel in terms of fuel economy when empty and towing. I tow a 9,000# fifth wheel. I get 23mph empty and 11.5 while towing. I am happy with that!!!!
people always forget when under boost no matter the engine all bets are off.... even look at a ZR1 vette.... under boost im sure its under 5mpg... I know my 04 cobra drank fuel under 9psi load
What octane fuel did you use in the Ecoboost? From experience there is quite a difference in the low in pull when comparing regular v. premium the the Ford. And also, thanks for the great videos, getting more professional and informative each time! Keep up the good work! Maybe you could do a test where you test the ability of the Ecoboost with difference octane fuels????
That was a cool 18 wheeler
I love my 2013 f150 ecoboost limited
Of course the Tundra (and Silverado) are at a disadvantage in this test due to the elevation and the F150's turbo engine but I suppose Ford would just say that that was the point! At any rate, I think its safe to assume that any of these trucks is more than adequate for typical towing duties and that the torque advantage of the Ecoboost engine gives the F150 a slight edge. Great video guys!
When can we expect the final video? Thanks!
4.10 gears are available as an option on the F150 (in the FX4 model for sure). However, they are probably not the best choice for a daily driver that does not haul and sees a lot of highway travel. One more (very minor) correction, trailer dropped the truck two inches (39" down to 37"). All manufacturers make a good truck nowdays, but personally, I went with the F150...couldn't be happier.
How many people are using a 1/4 ton to haul a 5th wheel? Seems like a moot point to complain about.
Makes sense... Specially the different rear axel ratio. Didn't not though of it. Kent did mention that the Toyota had 4 something...
I am also interested on seeing the Ram 1500 diesel. But the towing numbers they released are disappointing. I believe it was only 7200 lbs. Please Please test it! I am a ford guy but that truck sounds very tempting. Thanks for all the great reviews you guys do!
Nice test. Would love to know which interior was the qiestest/ most isolated from the outside noise? I couldnt tell from this test, I could hear the F150 engine in your recording
I'm talking about a small displacement V6 not a 12 liter. Bearing loads and ring wear on an ISX, C15, 4206 or any of the other 12 Liters is totally different.
by dad had a 1500 chevy with extended bed and we can fit same amount of wood and supplies for camping in fords f150 regular so the higher walls do pay off
I use to own an ecoboost, they were powerful, gas mileage stunk, averaged around 16-17, they are known to have intercooler issues. Moisture will accumulate in the bottom of the intercooler and get aspirated into the engine causing a misfire or drivability concern.
You know years ago I would have said the same thing but I've seen 3 horse slant with a small short wall trailers being pulled by F150's and there apparently are quite a few 5th models available for 1/2 ton trucks. But my biggest worry would be the stopping power. Its hard to stop a trailer that out weighs the truck. just my 2 cents
They make some pretty lightweight 5th wheels specifically for half-tons. But yeah, a heavy duty would still be the way to go.
39" - 37" = 3"? Yep, I used the same trick on my old lady.
A good infrared camera like a Flir is a better device to measure the temperature of the brakes.
The Toyota has bigger feont brakes, something to also consider. Final drive ratios mean squat, you have to look at the transmission gearing also. Also consider that the Toyota used an aftermarket brake controller vs Fords integrated brake controller.
The F150 driver did say that he felt like the F150 would have no problem doing 80 mph up the incline.
The tried to keep them all at 60 because:
1. the first truck that they tested, struggles to maintain 60 mph up the incline
2. a more fair measurement of MPG.
This would be interesting with that old Chevy 2500 Duramax you guys modified for perspective on a good budget truck.
I agree with @jonathan Roberson, you are going up the hill at the same speed depending upon traffic and the take off from the bottom of the hill. close track it. and hold them shits wide open. see which one makes it up the fastest at W.O.T
Roman, why would you expect the time to climb to the tunnel to be different? You're trying to maintain the same speed in the trucks. That should net you the same time to climb the hill since it's the same speed over the same distance (allowing for speedometer error). The only difference you should expect to see going up, maintaining the same speed (60 mph) will be in fuel usage. Now, if you wanted to see time differences, you should've tried to get up the hill as fast as you can.
This guy used his signals and you can tell that the ford is as rougher ride by the way the guys were moving in the cab. Another reason I choose the Tundra.
the ford stomped your tundra. You can have it
John Sechrest
Ford could kick Tundra's rear all day long except in one category. The only one that matters to me. In 20 years from now the ford will need to be replaced at LEAST twice when I'm still driving the same Tundra. Every Ford I've owned but 1 has been junk. And that 1 was my 1979 Lincoln Mark V.
I like gm trucks however the tundra is overall a better truck than the ford fords have so many issues I use to have a f 150 and it was a piece of shit so many electrical issues so I bought a gmc Sierra and now I love it it's currently at 80k and not one issue however do love tundras second choice by far however FORDS SUCK ASS
***** fords are the worst truck on the market by far, the tundra will go forever before in needing any repairs, the tundra is my favorite then chevy and gmc trucks.
OMG You Guys should do a Suburban Expedition EL or like F450 silverado 3500 with your ram that would be so cool!
So the more expensive Ford F150 Ecoboost (turbo) beat the Tundra by only 23 seconds. Lets slap the available OEM turbo in the Tundra and then see who wins in both speed and fuel economy.
Ford was only half throttle dick head, if it was mashed to the floor like the yota was it would beat it by 5 minutes.
Hey roman. I think the time given to the ecoboost is a bit unfair because it could've gone much faster uphill. I think it would make more spence to multiply the time times the mpg.
The ECOboost has been on the road since 2011 and they have been solid. I predict a few fires with 2014 Chevy...
When I saw a few videos months ago, I didn't like it. I found them unprofessional and you were not funny where you tried to be. But now I am a subscriber and the videos from you guys are getting better and better. Good job!
Let's see you tow with a 2017 Nissan Pathfinder CVT 6000 lbs!
What sense does it make to time the individual runs? If your goal is to keep the same speed, you will get the same time. Either way, I'm an Ecoboost owner and couldn't ask for a thing more when pulling my travel trailer.
I love this truck
the limited is so nice
Wonder what the 18 wheeler drivers were thinking when they got passed by a pickup flying up the hill towing a car haha
Ford chose the smaller displacement+turbo path because there are countries that will tax vehicles based on engine displacement size. Since Ford wants to go global with one design on all their cars, they prepared for that.
Lots of folks bashed the complication of adding a turbo and praise the new Silverado 5.3L 23 mpg hwy rating. Yet, they totally forgot that to get that 23 mpg, the GM v8 uses cylinders deactivation, which in itself is no less complication, or even worse in design vs turbo.
Right, but that's assuming that each truck can maintain 60 mph the whole time. There were times where they had the pedal floored and still couldn't go 60.
Correct! Ford doesn't use cylinder deactivation. Instead they use smaller displacement with turbo to combat fuel use. If you keep your foot light on the pedal and avoid boosting that turbo unnecessary, you will get the true v6 or i4 fuel consumption. Problem is, most people are having too much fun and can't get their foot off.
GM new Gasoline Direct Injection small block V8s shut off half of the cylinders during highway cruising to save fuel. But when towing, it has to run on all cylinders.
And also sorry I ment the 4.10:1 is an option on the fx4 ecoboost f150
After the warranty runs out, those turbos are going to be expensive to replace.
In the shop getting transmission work.
Toyota (TRD) offers superchargers that don't affect the warranty because it's there product. They ask you if you want to put superchargers, performance air filters, exhaust systems, etc. when you're about to purchase the vehicle. All part of TRD (Toyota Racing Development).
Yes I know they have a 6.2, but the point I'm making is that the Ecoboost is the top engine option for the Ford. And the 6.2 will be the top engine option for the Chevy.
So really it doesn't matter the time if your aren't going faster then your test conditions allow. So really it matters how relaxed the engine felt and fuel economy
How about towing with 2017 Nissan Armada maxed out?
for real road testing I think you guys should go for over all fastest up the ike gauntlet like flooring it as long as you aren't really putting anyone in danger because I don't know about you but the speed limit is not always followed when actually driving.
Hey guys, great job!! What axel ratio was used on each truck?
Thanks
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Really wanted to see them floor it to 70!!
Wait how is this a race if both trucks have to stay at 60mph the whole time
The Ford and Chevy look really sharp.