2013 Toyota Tundra takes on Ford, Chevy & the Ike Gauntlet Mashup Towing Test ( Episode 1 )
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- ( www.TFLtruck.com ) The 2013 Toyota Tundra Pickup is built to tow. But is it better than the Ford F-150 and the brand new Chevy Silverado? We decided to find out by putting all three pickups up against each other in a Mega Mashup by having them tow the old Lincoln Continental Mark V Diamond in the Rough up one of the steepest and highest American Highways. From Dillion, Colorado to the Eisenhower Tunnel U.S. I-70 climbs 8 miles to a maximum elevation of 11,158 feet or 3,401 meters. That's enough elevation and grade to test the most powerful of pickups. Is the Toyota Tundra up to the task of towing a over 7,000 pounds up to the top of the tunnel?
In fact according to Toyota this pickup can tow up to 9,000 pounds. That's enough weight to need a commercial truckers license in most states. In this first TFLtruck Ike Gauntlet video review we test the truck up the Ike Gauntlet see how fast it will tow over 7,000 pounds of old American Luxury car 8 miles up a 7 percent grade to the Eisenhower tunnel with the help of our friend Kent from ( www.MrTruck.com ).
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Go Tundra Go!! Tundra will always be #1!!!! And built by a great group of team members in San Antonio tx!!
Since then the chevy threw a rod the fords timing chains and turbos went.
The tundra?
Probably just needed a new cabin air filter
Exactly, well said
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1-800-beatdown .....we got our first tundra 2 years ago. We own and operate a construction business. Today, we now have 3 tundras in our family. We have gotten rid of every other vehicle. I drive a 2013 crewmax 5.7, my son drive a 2012 extended cab 5.7, wife drives a 2017 crewmax 5.7.
Fantastic trucks. And we have literally owned every other brand....gmc, chevy, ford, nissan, ram. My second favorite after tundra was the ram
Tundra issues, trans issues , air pump nit sure why this is designed this way
Tundra needed the secondary air injection system replaced and a water pump.
I've owned a Tacoma, loved it..But now I own a 2014 Tundra..I'm ..in..*LOVE*
rocker85675 i think the GM twins are more suited to be called "chick trucks", they drive like a car , pussy trucks
rocker85675 a truck is suppose to be rock solid and be able to offroad right from the manufacturer and not have to take off a pussy skirt lol, we all know that Gubbment Motors build shit quality vehicles, Fred Flintstone's car was rock solid just like Toyota's, the so called truck of the year pussy truck was recalled before it even hit the showroom floors lol, if i was in the market to buy this junk i'd wait a couple years and get one for real cheap, they'll be a dime a dozen, you should get one soon before they get discontinued just like the last generation and make sure you buy the extended warranty cause you'll need it lmao
I just bought a 2013 tundra 5.7 4x4 platinum limited 96k and i absolutely love it! Should have bought one a long time ago.
7,000 only sqautts 3 inches damn TUNDRA you are strong
TUNDRA EVERY DAY
The very next year they did an Ike Gauntlet with the Titan and had it loaded at close to 11,000 pounds and it only squatted 3 inches.
Just got a Tundra and was watching this. Man, has this channel changed.
Dude I just said the same exact thing huge progress!
Added K&N filter and Gibson exhaust to my 2011 5.7 4×4 crewmax. Touched 22.5 mpg with 1500lbs of people and cargo. Averaged 19.8 for the trip showing off for my Dad. It is the finest machine I have ever owned and driven! It's a powerhouse, super sweet ride and not a day goes by I regret buying this truck. With a heavy load on it the limited it came factory with adjustable headlight toggle to raise and lower them inside the cab.
Fredrick Ihlenfeld exactly and never once did he mention the adjustable headlights when he kept talking about the load and squatting. Smdh biased..
I just recently purchased a low mileage 2007 Toyota tundra. Where did you purchase your Gibson exhaust and much did it cost?
would take the tundra anyday because of toyota rock solid reliabilty!
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I’ve owned all , toyota tundra is most reliable
im watching this now. 2023!! It's nice to those old new trucks back in the time!
mine is 2007 toyota tundra, guess that 2013 is just the same truck as mine lol
I own both a Chevy Silverado 1500 2004 stepside extended cab and a 2014 Toyota Tundra Crewmax. I love my Chevy, but I've had to replace the crappy transmission twice! The engine is pretty solid though. The tundra, well it's just on another level. An awesome level!
Most people that talk shit about Toyota have either never driven one or just assume because the logo is from Japan. Chevy is very much overrated. Ford is decent compared to Chevy. Through my experience, Toyota has it all the way. The fuel efficiency isn't the greatest but most people who buy a truck wouldn't really care. It has a perfect balance of horsepower and a surprising amount of torque with a beautiful ride. If ya want something real... Get a Toyota.
My dad owns a 2008 Tundra and my truck is his old F-150 and it's only got about 200 HP. First time I drove the Tundra, with 381 HP, I thought I was gonna die from that enormous torque. Almost literally scared the shit out of me.
But you dont work your trucks.... your a dealer just driving... how would you know what work is for a truck?
FMChimera Well I think you should run for office somewhere and you have done it all, no disrespect. My experience in engineering and construction for half ton work the toyota has personally done better then chevy and ford, which I owned. By dollars of maintenance and repair (other then my fault) has been extremely lower then both previous. The 4x4 and towing feel/power is extremely better. My company leases fords because they are cheap and like you said much bigger trucks. They do the job yes, would I ever personally own on again? maybe but my tundra has been the "best" by trial so far. My father was a ford man, no matter what, I learned how to work on motors and trucks because of ford. I have nothing against them all they are all getting very nice. I do have 113,000 k miles on a 2009 and am not looking into a new truck like previous
The 5th King They go like a scared rabbit!
Matthew Smith I got the same experience. My Toyota trucks do the same work that my domestics did but the toyota's are so much easier on my wallet. The Toyota's are built better and have fewer repairs.
It's fun watching these nine years later . . .
1-What kinda phone was that, Nathan . . . WOW
2-Andre has REALLY improved his English over the years!
3-So . . . . . Tommy has always looked that young.
Chevy= needs lifters
Ford= threw a rod
Tacoma= needs daylight running bulb
Mine needs a fog lamp, that is it.
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Depending on how you maintain them. I have a 2015 that I bought new in 2014 Silverado 1500. Not a lot of miles only 84k now but I have only replaces the battery and of course the tires. Other than that it’s just regular maintenance and the truck still runs like new.
I’ve owned them all. I’ve owned Fords, Chevys, Dodges.....even diesel models of them for years.
I just recently bought a Tundra and I am in love with it!
Thanks for the kind comments. This video is just the start of the Ike Gauntlet series. We're already working on getting the new HEMI Ram, the Titan and of course the new Tundra and 6.2L Silverado for a second run up the mountain. Please stay tuned.
Toyota is the real Truck here.
That's just your opinion dude
Congrats man, my girlfriends Dad just got a 2013 Tundra crewcab during the Toyotathon thing.... they are so SHWEET! Fit and finish is outstanding. Its a great truck in and out.
autoinject dam u got burned should of got a chevy
Really? Because I don't see any chevy's beyond 2000's that have a million miles on them.
Yet there's a Toyota Tundra with one million miles on it, from 2007. Hmmmm. Just youtube it yo.
I mean, unless you want to count the diesel chevys, but diesel and gas engines are two entirely different subjects. eh?
The truck didn't do bad for someone that doesn't know how to tow at all
Matthew Smith ohhhh
I'm a big fan of you guys! Love your shows.
I have a 1995 4x4 Toyota T-100 , 3.4 V-6. It has 387,000 miles with the same timing belt, water pump, drive line, clutch, and wheel bearings. The only thing l've change is the engine oil, battery, starter, spark plugs and fuel filter. Every thing is else is still original, and still running strong. l don't baby this truck either. l always do better than my brothers when we go hunting. 1 ownes a Chevy and the other a Ford. l also have a Tacoma 4x4 w/ 268,000 miles and it still has original parts. Planning on buying a Tundra. Toyota all the way for me.
2014 Tacoma 2tr-fe 5 speed and 96 T100 owner here too! 285k on the T100.. #yotagang 😈 Tundra to come!
I especially love pulling out "american" name brands and a jeep if I'm feeling nice enough! I laugh 😂
Great video... Can't wait for the second one!:)
Toyota tundra is my baby
The Tundra Crewmax with the 5.7 engine is rated at 10K not 9k as stated in the vid. The tundra headlights are adjustable too for when the rear squats a little.
I didn't see Ford or Chevy tow a space shuttle in LA but a Tundra did it. Toyota for the win
after 9 years Tundras still going strong!!
Mr. Truck has a lot of useful knowledge.
I'm not sure these sorts of reviews really make any difference in someones purchasing decision, BUT, I sure did enjoy watching it!
Keep up the good work! Love this stuff!
That feeling when you understand Andrey without translation.
Looks like your saving the best for last! Great Video!
Looked like you were being tailgated by a badass lincoln the whole way lol. Great vid, keep doing what you're doing!!
😍😍TOYOTA 😘😘🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 do whatever you guys want to run as much test as you feel TOYOTA always 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
The tundra does have sway control, my 2011 Tundra has it. It works through the traction control system.
Love the Toyota! Thanks for the vid.
The tundra is a beast!! and i will own nothing with a turbo, just asking for trouble.
They said the Tundra has a tow rating of up to 9,000 lbs but its tow rating is actually up to 10,500 lbs and are the only company to follow J2807 towing standards.
I had a rare single cab, short bed, 4x4, TRD with premuim tow package and my limit was 11,800. My Chevy has no where near the torque my Toyota had....I lost it to a texting and driving senior citizen....
That is regarding the single cab tow ratings. Crew cab goes down to 9,800 lbs max.
I love how these guys are all WHOA 300 degrees on the brakes. In the next videos with the other trucks they dont even blink at 500 degrees on the brakes. Little bias maybe?
Hi Brian, Thanks for your comment. Just to be clear only the Ford F-150 was able to maintain the 60 MPH speed limit. Pulling over 8000 pounds at over 10,0000 feet above sea level up a 7 percent grade is not easy. The other trucks struggled and took different amounts of time to finish the Ike Gauntlet. Perhaps you missed this important fact and the entire point of the series and the Gauntlet.
Love the videos. It would be nice if you guys rerun the tundra and the ram 5.7 with the 10000 pound trailer so we have a comparison between all the trucks. Thanks
My tundra is 12 years old 270k miles and everything still works like it did the day I bought it! I'll give the other guys credit, they make some damn good looking trucks. But I need the reliability not all the bells and whistles, just a damn good truck, and that's what I got with my tundra!
The Tundra is more American than most trucks. Plus it gives you less problems
funny thing is the tundra is more american then the other trucks and the only truck that actually meets its standards. yet it still get all the hate. people need to educate themselves before they attack just because its a foreign vehicle. who gives a fuck if its "foreign" id rather spend my money on something thats going to last other then "stimulating" the economy. fuck the economy, I'm not going to make a shitty purchase with my hard earned money just to help the government that already takes most of it.
Yep!
fraycus07 Wiser words were never said. Amen
Johnny Reno i never once said anything about toyotas profits staying in the US.
Johnny Reno they are built in texas. using american employees, american parts, and american parts suppliers. at least 75% or more of tundras are completely american which is most then some american trucks
Johnny Reno again i never stated they are completely american. just the majority. which is just as much if not more then the big 3 in the US
Dude in the back doesn’t realize the bench can slide up and the back of the bench can lean back lol
Just bought a metallic gray 2011 toyota tundra platinum crewmax. Best truck ever!!! Glad my first pick up truck was a tundra. I have always been a toyota man. I buy for reliability not to be in shop every week!
you need to ask for the new diesel ram 1500 when it comes out, that will be an interesting comparison. I hope you keep kent! he actually adds so much it makes tfl truck worth watching! keep up the awesome work. Also second thought once all the vid's are done any chance of table of all the facts and figures for each truck/each run?
Of corse thanks alot guys u all have to leave us in total suspense
I have driven nothing but Toyota and that will never change... The actual difference is a Toyota is designed to haul its rating everyday. The others brands are built to do their rating occasionally.
Maybe I missed it, but how did the engine/trans temps do on the Tundra? I know you discussed brake temps, but going up hill, brake temps aren't really an issue. I just recently sold my silverado in favor of a Tundra because I couldn't keep the trans cool hauling approx. 6500 lbs up a 6% grade for about 6 miles. So I'm just curious how all the engine and trans temps did.
Toyota gets my money
Nathan looks like a kid in the back- lol you guys are hilarious.
I love my Tundra, we pull a 6,000 + lbs camp-trailer setup, living in north west mountains. We've pulled in high winds, treacherous storms, ugly 4x4 dirt roads and 85 mph when passing semi trucks pulling scarey triples in the flatlands. It's been awesome small package and we goes where most people can't get a camp trailer. Yup, I'm getting to trust my Tundra Pro more more on every trip we take. But I still need's three 5 gallon gas cans in the back of the truck, lol.
It's been a blast and we are thinking about getting a newer Tundra or a 3/4 ton, it's a dam hard choices to make...
Should I wait until 2021 and see what Toyota is going to do....?
I might be going into landscaping one day so I'll need a pickup for hauling equipment. I like Ford but my dad has one but it's been nothing but problems. Chevy seems ok but I'm liking the idea of owning a Toyota.
mnb323 did you ever decide? I’m still driving my 2000 F150 and it’s reliable as hell! Just having age-related issues like worn rubber parts and fading paint
The toyota has adjustable headlights. This feature is also handy in fog. You can use the high beams and lower the lights down.
21:04 "its really struggling" granted it is a bit out of its element, but that Toyota would struggle all day and still drive you home...something the big 3 havent figured out yet..
I knew how this was gonna end. Looking to upgrade from my 06 Tacoma to a tundra but really gonna miss it. 224k miles without a hiccup
It’s weird hearing Andre only speaking Russian. He’s made so much progress!
I've never owned or driven a full-sized pickup truck. If I had to choose any of the three pickup trucks, I'd take either the Toyota Tundra or the Chevy Silverado. Being a Toyota owner my whole adult life, I'd take the Tundra.
My only gripe with the Tundra is its lack of a turbocharged/intercooled diesel engine. You can get a Ford F250 with a diesel engine, and you can get a Chevy C2500 with a Duramax turbo diesel. But no Tundra with a diesel, not at any price.
Jason Carpp The new 2016 Tundras and Titans are fixing to come with Cummins Turbo diesels... I'd take that
That One Ford Guy I'd buy a Toyota Tundra if it were available with a turbo diesel. Anything that weighs over 3,000 lbs. and wishes to do any kind of work, needs to at least be offered with a diesel engine.
I hope you know that the ecoboost wont last 200k with those turbos.
@@mauricemotors8207 Our fleet got 6 2016 F150s, 2 were ecoboost the other 4 were 5.0L, ecoboosts have gone through 3 turbos between the 2, 3 of the 4 5.0s have had new timing chains and heads installed due to faulty variable valve timing, all this under 40k miles.
i trust these guys cause they show you what they did in the tests
Cool today I just bought a new 2013 Tundra, plus years ago I had a 1979 Lincoln Continental Mark V. Are you sure thats a 1978? BTW the driver changed lanes many times and not once did he signal his intention.
Tundra's have headlight leveling controls. I never tow, but it's still cool. Little roller switch that lets you lower the lights for towing. Has like 5 levels I think.
Glad that you found a truck that suited your needs. Speaking of the Nissan Titan it will soon be available with a Cummins turbo diesel as an engine option.
I use to be a Chevy guy but after my fuel pump failed twice on my 08 1500 I've traded up to Toyota and love it! My 97 Silverado my 2001 Silverado all had to have the fuel pumps replaced and all three left me stranded. What is it with GM and their fuel pumps? I expect at least 200,000 trouble free miles out of this Toyota.
Crappie Japanese built Airtex fuel pumps.
Look at the wiring that chevy uses, then look at the wiring toyota uses. The quality is on another level. I lost all faith in american vehicles and trucks after my 2004 trailblazer which was a good truck but it got totaled so we got the money and bought a 2004 toyota 4runner....the trailblazer had a slipping transmission, back windows didnt work, the left turn signal would go out every other week (would carry spares) Headlights would go out for no apparent reason, keyless entry would stop working because the security unit would short out, and most of the buttons on the stereo and hvac were falling off or wouldnt work.
The 4runner on the other hand had 0 issues everything worked and it worked flawlessly. Also had 50k more miles and ran like it was new. I say GM, and Chrysler need to go under for making such shit vehicles, fords are decent but no where near the toyotas. Im in the market for a used tundra and hopefully I buy one in the next few weeks. TOYOTA all the way.
GM fuel pumps are good to go out around 150,000 miles guaranteed. Been a mechanic for 21 years and warn all my customers of GM vehicles to prepare for it when they are close to that mark.
Toyota reliability still decimates all!
I agree somewhat. once Toyota comes up with a super duty construction frame/chassis for its tundra, and makes price competitive id bite .
Todd Lee yamahonkawazuki funny that the new tundras frame are the worst and the fact is chevy holds THE LONGEST LASTING MOST DEPENABLE TRUCK ON THE ROAD Title
kyle healy yea cause the broke asses who buy chevy's and fords can afford the tundra. My Sequoia SR5 ran me a little over 49,000 out the door. same drive line as the tundra, just better for people hauling. I can still tow 9600 lbs.
Galen Nazareno "Broke asses" that buy Fords? What the hell are you talking about? AND YOU PAID ALMOST FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A SEQUOIA? I don't get it.
dmodmodmo I think he's bragging about his stupidity.
Those things are amazing.
Does this guy not like Toyota? "I've got it floored, I've got it floored; we're still slowing down, we're still slowing down". Did he have it in tow haul mode at least?
trainNGain TT you are exactly right! I’ve watched his crap biased videos and he is biased against Toyota. He seriously didn’t put it in tow/haul. Wtf?! The truck guy told him to and then when they stopped he didn’t put it back in so I’m not too sure the upgrade was even done in tow mode?!
Love your show but are u guys planning on testing a tacoma towing? Frontier VS tacoma sounds awesome to me =)
Thanks guys
Thought that tundra towed 10,800? My 2008 Toyota Tundra 5.7L V8 2wd towes 10,800. Maybe because its 2wd?... weird...
Depends on the trim
Oh....there was a article on Western horseman where they tested a Ford, Chevy, Dodge and a Tundra towing a 3 horse slant trailer from Death valley to the summit of the Sierra mtns. And the Tundra won the towing. The 1st to give out was the Ford. Metric motor cycles out last and out do Harley's to. Just stating facts.
Can you guys test a Tundra with the Supercharger on this run, please?
amazing vid guys chevy got this in the bag i think.
You sat with your foot on the brakes while they were smoking hot at the bottom of the hill! No no no! Nathan had to tell you to put it in park. Doh!
What is the name of first track( music)?
Saturday
HAHAHA I love the Russian Mechanic. He is Hilarious :)
Toyota Tundra for sure
Funny, last I checked the F-150 was built in two factories, Dearborn, Michigan and Kansas City, Missouri. At a higher wage I might add. Oh and all of the engineering was done in the United States, in case you were counting those jobs too, which you weren't.
Dunno about yours but my 2010 Tundra has built in sway control. If the rear starts swaying the VSC light comes on. VSC Vehicle Sway Control.
Not what vsc means bro.
Vehicle Stability Control
just today i tested 3 2014/15 Toyota Tundras one base model 5.7, base 4.6 and a 4.6 with a cat back exhaust and cone filter from K&N, there trucks weigh in at 12500 pounds because they are armored, breaks wise they preform alot better than the 2015 Ford F550 armored as well i can give the 0-60 average time that i got from doing 6 runs on each truck and the numbers are alot better than we got with the ford but the ford is 4000 pounds heavier but its a 550 and this is a tundra.... so 5.7 did 13.76 the stock 4.6 17.98 and 4.6 with mods 16.68 the ford is around 21 seconds and the breaks start showing major fatigue after the 3 run where the Toyota did show any even after the 6th, also keep in mind the toyota right now is 4500 pounds over GVWR and the ford is 3000 pounds under..... so yes the Toyota is a better truck.....
You guys should do an extreme Ike Gauntlet for the new tundra, Chevy n ford..
So why was Nathan sitting on the center hump of the rear seat? It seems that he could/would be a lot more comfortable if he were sitting on the left or the right side of the rear seat.
I own a 2014 Ford F-150 3.5 twin turbo ecoboost platinum 4dr 4x4 fully loaded with every option and I love it more then every other car and truck out their hope all is well
If you have a truck with built in sway control, does an anti sway hitch help or hurt the sway control of the truck?
It helps to know that the old Tundras that were smaller than todays Tundra and was a 1/2 ton pickup. Todays new full size tundras are actually 3/4 ton pickup. But not an HD. I am impressed by Toyotas electronics. And also glad to see Toyota got some HP out of that GM block. 350 is definitely my choose of V8 engine.
Cool video.
Not using Tow Haul mode on a Tundra will make a large difference also High elevation is allways going to lend itself well to force induction.
And then I remember the Toyota Tacoma was the first truck to ever reach the North Pole.. so I go out and buy a Toyota Tacoma instead of one of these.
Rav Ram That isn't the point though. The point is to pick one of those, turn down all three, pick something different/better instead.
Java a tocoma is far from better than modern day 1500 trucks. The new trucks are faster, better on gas, way more power for towing, more capable, ride better, much larger etc. The tocoma is just a little toy truck for playing off road. Might as well get a jeep.
Yeah tacomas are good
+foolongtea Maybe a 4 cylinder Rice burning Honda with a 1000 pound towing capacity.
Tacoma are good to any Toyota I will drive TUNDRA AND TACOMA
why do u guys time the climb when you're going the speed limit?
BRAKES ON THE FORD WERE HOTTER EVEN WITH THE BRAKE CONTROL THING THAT APPARENTLY DOES NOT WORK JUST LIKE THEIR TRUCKS DOHC ENGINE ALL THE WAY.
Hey Roman, it's been over a yeahr since you left us hanging yo see what happended to your Father's Lincoln, that Diamond in the Rough series was pretty fun, you should bring it back or at least give us updates like you said you would by the end of the summer. Kudos on your channels btw. Cheers
Starting to really like the tundra
Toyota all the way!
Ford and Tundra FTW.
Was a srs awesome episode!!
You guys should try abit harder to advertise your channels on eachother.
I didnt know this channel existed till I saw the preview video on "The Fast lane car" If i did I would have sub'd long time ago!! :D
My Silverado was made in Ft.Wayne Indiana. They also have an assembly plant in Flint Michigan as well mexico. The F150 is assembled in Dearborn Michigan and Kansas City. Dodge has a plant in Michigan as well as mexico
What were the numbers for the engine coolant temp, oil temp, and transmission temp going up the pass when you checked them with the computer? For the temps (especially the trans) to remain "normal" in those conditions is not "normal," as there is a lot of energy going through that drivetrain, and a lot of stock and modified pickups have had to sit it out on the side of that grade waiting for a tow back down to replace the trans.
So you guys are babying the tundra as if it is a childs toy?? Yet toyota has been one of the most reliable vehicles for years. The tundra also pulled the space shuttleEndeavour that was 155000-pound. Give them a true test of pulling -- pull until a certain sp eed and test how fast it can come to a complete stop after 70 MPH with 7500lbs behind it. The driver here seems to not have any idea how to drive at all.
Brand loyalty is a big thing for many people. Many shout over you, if you say anything against their brand, and refuse to listen to anything that does not conform to their beliefs. I see a lot of comments here that prove my point.
The fact is that the various trucks are very different. Being familiar with the various iterations of the Tundra, Silversdo, and F-150, as well as the Titan, Avalanche, Ridgeline, and Ram 1500, I have enough seat time for some perspective. One of the things I have noticed, is that the quality of the various trucks has changed over the years. People seem to get stuck on a particular make, based on a few years' experience, or by reputation/hearsay. In my experience, past models, reputation, and hearsay do not tow much today. I'm all about function, durability, and value. If I can't get that from a given make today, I'll try a different make that can.
Since 1980, I have noticed a disturbing trend, of the function being diminished, in favor of glitz and bling. It's a truck. I do not care about those things. They do not help me do what I want to do. Trucks with automatics. Oh, my. The reason they had manual transmissions was so thry could be used for work. Now, they're designed so that a child can drive them. The trucks now have great big specs, but usually those specs do not seem to mean much, in the real world. Not only do the trucks seem to be less ccapable, so do the drivers. Drivers expect the vehicle to do the thinking for them, and act accordingly.
Over the years, some trucks were great, one year, and terrible the next. People who got a bad year from one manufacturer judged all years according to that experience, and jumped to another manufacturer. Similarly, people judge all years of one make by a good experience.
One of my pet peeves is the refusal of many people to objectively listen to the issues, and try to get to a fix. Some of the vehicles I had were just terrible. So terrible, that the dealers swapped out the vehicles, and eventually refunded my money. The issues i had remain unfixed, and are on all of those vehicles. The issues are flaws, but apparently very few people encounter these issues. The manufacturer deemed it better to refund the customers' money than to try to fix the issues. Unfortunately for me, this process took almost 5 years to resolve, so that I could have a usable truck, basically, taking the refunded money to buy a different make of truck. In that 5 years, the manufacturer refused to honor my warranty, refused to lemon the vehicle, and basically blamed everything on me. The dealer swapped out the truck, several times. Eventually, the mechanics were forced to report the same issues. Then more than 100 people across the country had the issues. People died, because of the issues. Still, toyota did nothing. Then one of the company executives experienced the issues, and I was told to return my truck for a full refund, plus some cash, but with a small provision.
While all the problems were going on, I joined a forum to get help from other owners. As bad as the dealer and the manufacturer had been, the other owners were far worse. I was called names, my posts were deleted, and I was eventually kicked off the forum. The fellow users and the moderators refused to allow anyone to even ask about a problem. These issues were repeatable, and potentially fatal, but their viewpoint was apparently more important. So, I have experience with the delusional opinions of many truck owners.
I found the same issues with honda and nissan. The honda ATV forums being slightly worse than the toyota tundra and honda ridgeline forums. Meanwhile, I noticed that, if I posted the same issues on Silverado, Avalanche, or F-150 forums, I got help--even though I was asking about Tundras, Titans, Ridgelines. Eventually, I realized that the problems with certain vehicles would never end, that the support forums for those vehicles would never be helpful, or anything other than hostile, that I had basically come to hate those vehicles, and that the problem was the things they had in common.
While those vehicles were in the shop, I drove rental vehicles. This gave me the opportunity to try other makes, and I took that opportunity. One thing that I found, is that there is no perfect truck for everyone--or even anyone. I wish I could mix and match the features I like, and get rid of the other half of the features.
I see a lot of posts here, where people seem to be either pushing an agenda, or trying to make themselves feel better about their purchase decision, by getting other people to make the same decision. If you are regretting your purchase decision, you probably won't help your case by inflicting it on others.
The fact is that each of the trucks has pros and cons. Whichever truck you choose, you have to live with the cons of that truck. personally, I try to choose the truck that is the closest to a full work package. Basically, which has the fewest impediments to doing what I want to do.
When Roman was giving the Tundra specs and he said, "its powerful and reliable" i was expecting to hear, "and more importantly it has two horns"
Chevy's and GMC's are made in Mexico right? I believe Ford F150's and Dodge Rams are made in Canada. Titans and Tundras are made in America by Americans. Tundras are made in Texas and Titans are made in Mississippi.
Mr Truck, the axle ratio is just half of it. The transmission ratio of the gear you are in is the other half & multiplied together they make up the final overall ratio.