I am in Wyoming using PH2 in 6.5 PRC for Antelope and Elk and it is an awesome cartridge. I reload so I can get the most out of it. I will say that I am DONE with the 143 ELD-x exploding bullets. I thought the Bergers were bad about that. The Eld-x is worse!
That’s good feedback. What bullet are you using now? Sometimes I wonder if I should switch to the Hornady Outfitter line with the CX. I want to set up a 7 PRC using the CX.
@ well unfortunately I am getting through the season with the Eldx and still figuring out were I will go next. I still have a late season cow elk tag to fill. I am not familiar with the CX. I will need to look into them. After years of hunting with Berger and now the ELDx I will definitely be moving to a bonded bullet. The trick is finding one in stock that has a high BC. Because of the powder I have on the shelf, I will stay with the 140 class at least for now. That seems to be a good range for velocity versus wind resistance anyway.
@MaxairEngineering if you want a high bc bonded bullet the 142 Nosler ABLR is a good choice and doesn't explode like the ELDX. I prefer the Barnes LRX 127 grain for 6.5 on elk and long range antelope. Not sure on your velocities, but I'm pushing 3450 with a 6.5-300 and the Barnes LRX 127 crushed a bull elk shoulder this season. It's a better bullet than the CX for mono metal. I too am in Wyoming looking for late season cows.
@ thanks. Yeah for the powder I have I need to stay 140 class. Nosler sure is proud of their bullets $$. Unfortunately I heard that they too explode at close range. Was that bad intel? I’m in Laramie btw.
@MaxairEngineering my experience with Nosler ABLR is just factory loaded 175s for my 28 Nosler, I don't reload them. I have killed elk from 200 to about 650 with no issues. The 28 velocity is around 3100 which I assume is similar to your 6.5 PRC, yes they seem to be made of gold for their price. I try to stay off the shoulder with most bonded bullets that's why I switched to Barnes, the ABLR didn't explode but they definitely have a larger wound channel and damage meat. Terminal Ascent have also been great, I use those for bonded, but I think they only come in a 130 for 6.5. I am in Casper and hunt the Southern Big Horns.
Another quick note - my 270-7PRC is getting 3230fps with a 170 Berger VLD in a 24" 4 groove cut-rifled barrel. This outperforms the 6.5PRC with anything, the 7PRC with a 180 VLD at 3000fps, and a 7PRC with a 195 EOL at 2900fps. I have one barrel chambered and another rifle in process and 5 more barrels on the way with 8, 8.5, and 9 twist. Plan to compare 150 Nosler ABLRs, 165 Nosler ABLRs, 170 Berger VLDs, and possibly some Hammer 162 (?) grain bullets and finally some 155 Barnes LRX Great video by the way
@@HuskerHunting sure thing. By the way, I took a Tikka 300WM and a 6.5mm Brux barrel to my builder to convert it to a 6.5PRC. It will be the 4th 6.5PRC for me
I picked the 7mm wsm hunted with it for 21yrs already and don’t intend to switch anytime soon. 2000fps at 700 yrds with 162eld x. It’s very comparable to the 28 nosler and ballistically identical to the 7mm prc over two decades before the 7mm prc came on the scene. Kinda funny cause my OG abolt 7mm wsm looks like and is rigged up just like the newer x bolt hells canyon and shoots like one too.
I’ve been doing a lot of research and for what I’m looking for I’m planning on getting a 6.5prc. I like the combination of the ballistics and moderate recoil when using a 24” barrel. And like you said, with a brake or suppressor I think it’s a great caliber.
If you plan on only hunting and shooting at max 300 yards, the 270 is the go-to rifle for deer and smaller game. If you like to dabble in both target and hunting then 6.5 prc is your gun. With the 6.5, you can go to the range and show off to your friends that you can hit steel at 1200yd or take it on a hunt to kill deer, pronghorn, or boar. The 270 has been around for 100 years, and i doubt it will disappear, but i dont think the 6.5 prc is going away anytime soon, either. For those who try to justify the 270 or 6.5 is an elk gun, please step up to at least a 7mm or preferably 300. I will get some flak saying it, but elk, moose, grizzly all need 30 cal or bigger cartridges.
"Need 30 cal or bigger cartridges" is obviously no true seeing all the game taken down with the 6.5 prc. I can agree that a bigger cal is more optimal.
I have a slightly different viewpoint. I'll be getting a 6.5prc this year. I live in a heavily wooded area. Shots over 100 yards are very rare. 50 yards is much more common. Even if I could take those long shots I wouldn't. Just too much possibility of the animal moving during the bullet flight. So why get the long range cartridge? So I can play at the range of course! Long shots are fun! Just not my idea of ethical hunting.
If I'm gun hunting from one of our tree stands I'll usually grab the 30-30 lever action. It's much more suited for those sub-100 yard shots. Ironically enough, the buck I shot with this 6.5 PRC this year was at a whopping 15 yards. I was wishing I had the lever action that day! Thanks for watching!
That’s a hard question to answer. I would want something small for critters just in case for survival talking about the rabbits, birds, squirrel, variety. But can’t really use that for the full the fridge hunting. I would have to say depends on where you live and ability. I’d say a .308 would cover everything unless you have the big boy predators in your area. Then I’d pick 300 win mag being so versatile. I just can’t see picking something that you might not be able to find if things went to crap. Running around with a new or recently new cartridge sounds like a roll of the dice for only the reason of availability. I love my 300 PRC but there is no way I’d ever bet my life and existence on that cartridge.
It’s a very hard question to answer! As you noted, it’s highly dependent on your geographic location and the size of game in your area. Thanks for watching!
all around. for me that means deer to elk and moose out to 450. it cant blow up deer at 25 yards so muzzle velocity has to be under 3000. I might have to shoot a hungry bear while hunting the the deer, so I want a few decent bullets that can achieve everything on the list, which means it cant really on superformance, berger, or the eldx to meet my above criteria. 6.5prc, fits that. 6.8 western, .280 AI. all great choices. narrow that to 400 yards and you have the .270 and the .30-06 saying hello. no need for more recoil till you are very serious about taking game past 600 or hunting dangerous game and that is outside of all purpose imo.
@@HuskerHunting I have both and I love both. They are accurate and are very versatile. I love short actions, so these two fit the bill. My 6.8 is a mountain rifle for those long treks in the canyons and mountains in Idaho and Oregon. It only weighs 5.3 lbs…. I use my 6.5 in the open desert country due to its accuracy. It has a longer barrel and weighs about a pound more, but the recoil is nil. So I have both and I love both these cartridges and the rifles that go with them. Pending on where I’m hunting, will dictate which rifle I grab.
Amen brother. My goto is a 20 inch 308 with a 155 grain Sierra TMK. At 2750 its pushing right at 1000 foot pounds at 500 yards. Here in coastal North Carolina shots are never that far. Most are under 150 yards. Either way, out to 500 (as you put it so well) if it draws a breath its in the cooler
I hunt with a 270 and a 7mm-08, and there isn't enough money that could get me to change over. And I have never had to take a deer at more than 250 yards.
6.8 western is the best mid tier cartridge that needs us to demand more supply. It literally beats everything without going to high on the recoil chart
I’ve had a 270 win, 300 win, 6.5 PRC (twice), 308 win, and 7 PRC. I’ve sold them all and went back to a browning Xbolt 6.5 PRC for the third time cause I’ve learned my lesson lol
Hypotheticals are only that. Hypothetical. This happens with every new cartridge that comes out “what if you could only have one cartridge?” Well there are thousands of people who hunt with one gun. And they all seem to do fine with whatever it is they use 7mm, 270, 30-06, 30-30, etc. and Hornady himself is there to sell a cartridge. He’s not that poor he can’t choose to shoot with any gun or cartridge he wants.
You mean the president of Hornady chose a Hornady cartridge? No. Way. Here's an old saying that still rings true today; "Not much a man can't fix, with 700 bucks and a 30-06"
10 years from now, you'll be buying that ammo on line cause it won't be in the stores. However, 270 ammo will still be there just like it has been for the last 99 years. And the 243. And the 7mm-08. And the 7mmMag. And the 308 and the 30-06 and the 300winMag.
Yes, ammo availability is a big advantage to the classic caliber selections. The 6.5 PRC may have been hard to find on shelves a year or two ago, but I've seen a lot of it in local stores in the past year. Cheers!
Only 1 cartridge......I'd say the 300 WSM 30 cal is so dam versatile, you can nearly DOUBLE bullet weight it can nearly equals 300 win mag velocities yet it's a short action cartridge and it's inherently accurate
I just bought a new rifle. A Browning Xbolt Hells Canyon Speed Long Range 280AI. It has a 1@8 twist and a 26-inch barrel . How do you like the Leupold? Haven't decided on a scope. Scopes I been looking at. Leica amplus 6 3x18x44mm Trijicon tenmile 4x24x50mm Zeiss V4 4x16x44mm Nightforce shv 5x20x56mm Leupold VX5 HD 3x15x44mm Leupold VX5 HD 4x24x52mm. Any suggestion on a scope? Do u have a 20 MOA base on yours?
That 280 AI is a sweet cartridge, I think you'll like it. I know @BackcountryHuntingPodcast speaks highly of it, and I think I saw in one of his recent videos that he topped it with the Leupold VX-5HD. I like my VX-3HD, and got it a great price on sale. If you're shooting really long ranges the dual rotation turret on the VX-5HD might be worth the extra cost. My base is not the 20 MOA, just the standard. I have a link to the scope, rings, and base in the description. Thanks for watching!
@mikemelina7395 the Leica is little more than what a Leupold VX5 cost. Leica Custom turret cut to my gun and load is 125.00. Trijicon is 49.99 alot cheaper.
@@ozark_trapper Yeah, I'm seeing the Leica on optics planet for $1,700 and the VX5 for like $1,100. The Trijicon is about $950...Good glass costs money I guess.
The 6.5 PRC is an excellent cartridge, but if you want to use all-copper bullets, it absolutely is NOT any better than the old .270 Win. I reloaded and shot both, side by side, for four years. The highest B.C. all-copper bullets available for the 6.5 is the Barnes 127 gr. LRX with a .468 B.C. The .270 Barnes 129 gr. LRX bullet has a B.C. of .463. The powder capacity of both cartridges is almost identical, as are the muzzle velocities, 3000 f/s - give or take. It's all a matter of math, folks: two bullets with B.C.s and muzzle velocities that are the same have the same external ballistics - drop, wind deflection are the same, even with bullets of vastly different weights. In this case, with only 2 gr. of weight separating these two, even the energy is the same. As a matter of fact, the .270 can be driven a little faster than the 6.5 (according to Barnes reloading data), and it has a larger frontal diameter, which actually gives it a very slight edge over the 6.5. Don't be misled by the hype ... unless you don't mind buying cartridges that cost at least twice as much for one caliber than for another caliber that can do the same thing or better.
@@HuskerHunting it’s doing everything it needs to do. Feeds great, accurate, handles good. Kills good. Only thing I don’t like is the trigger took some work. I’m going to review it eventually on my channel.
Your scope is mounted high. It's pronounced Loopold. 6.5 for small game. I shoot bigger guns. My zero is 300 yards and I don't need no stinking dials for hunting😅 As you get more big game hunting experience, you'll discover that 30 cal and up are much more reliable on big animals, and on target bullet performance is just as important as shot placement. 6.5 PRC is a good deer gun.
@@timjude That Savage 110 Ultralite is a hella nice rifle. If I could get that rifle in a 7 PRC I'd jump on it, especially since Cabela's has the Ultralite on clearance right now!! cabelas.xhuc.net/B04Wa1
280ai. 6.8 Western might be another good choice but I don't own one so can't say. 6.5 Prc? I do own one of those but a forever choice? .270 would be better.
Why limit yourself to one cartridge? Life would be boring. I like and reload for many. Just tonight while reloading for my 6.5 PRC I counted 34 reloading dies . From the 22 hornet up to the 300PRC. PS Read what Jack O’Conner said about hunting cartridges.
I agree, variety is the spice of life, so I personally practice and encourage the acquisition of as many as I can! :) Jack O'Conner is legendary! Thanks for watching, sir!
still too many uses where it is too big by far and others too smallby far. like fishing rod outfits no one perfect one rod choice , too many varied uses, knowing than few really need anything bigger as most chasing critters small as deer only.
Of course Jason would pick a PRC if he didn’t then I would think he wasn’t bias😳 6.8 Western, 300 wsm, 7 rem mag! I have been hunting reloading and collecting rifles 60+ years and Hornady had done more damage to the hunting community then any other company other then the democrats. All this long range bullshit has wounded more game then the bears and cougars and had out a foul smell in the whole hunting community with the general public. Trying to turn every hunter into a sniper is not what hunting is about and that’s one of the main reasons hunting is dying off! Let’s get back to hunting and not this long range sniper bull and get the respect back that the real hunters deserve and need to promote ethical hunting!
Yeah, I sure didn't expect him to say 6.8 Western! 😂 They are a good organization though and are an innovator for the industry. I do agree on your take about promoting ethical hunting! Just because a rifle can shoot effectively at 500+ yards doesn't mean that's a shot that should be taken on an animal depending on circumstances. Even though I had this rifle for deer season, the irony is I shot that buck at a whopping 15 yards. I was secretly wishing I had the Model 94 lever action 30-30 with me that day, as it would have been much more suitable for the shot! Thanks for watching!
Folks have been ignoring their own max effective range long before hornady ever came along. I would argue that the avg schmuck being too unskilled to reliably execute shots on game at any distance is the number one cause of wounded and lost game.
Of course Hornady engineering will claim only thing to use is a Hornady caliber. I’m not saying the 6.5 isn’t capable because it definitely is. But so is darn near every caliber above 25. He’ll until you get into Bears I’ll take my 25-06 on any hunt you send me on including Elk and Moose. I’d rather use my 270 on Elk but when it comes to an effective all around caliber the 280 AI with a 1/8 twist barrel is dam hard to beat even with Hornady’s 7 PRC. If I have to include Grizzly then I guess I want my 300 Rum it’s truly the best and ya all are sucking hind tit if you don’t believe that.
When you ppl pick your caliber don't forget to take Brown bear into consideration not saying that you will hunt for brown bear but imagine you went on a elk hunt and just killed your elk and was celebrating then out comes the brown bear and he smells the elk on you now do you feel comfortable putting down a brown bear that wants to eat you with the caliber you picked
Somewhere between 6.8 western and 300 win mag 6.5 prc just isnt enough for grizzlies and moose. 6.8 western checks those boxes and for me .277 is minimum im comfortable with on heavy and dangerous game in NA.
@leecline5759 your right, it works well. But it's not my caliber of choice. The moose here are bigger and there are brown bear in the area.. im taking my 300wm or very least 270
.308 or 30.06, to many only consider when things go right with smaller calibers, and not the more likely scenario when things go wrong. Give me a whole big enough to create a blood trail, not one easily plugged by skin and cartilage. Not to mention, I have seen ammo dry up and guess what, 308 was there to be had. The rest is all marketing bullsheet.
Soon as i see anybody advocating for eldx and hunting i shake my head and stop watching. When will you people learn. Eldx and all other cup n core tipped projectiles are not hunting projectiles. Yhey open up too fast and come apart . Terrible depth of penn. Absolutely no place on killing game. Mono metal , bonded core, or partitions style bullets are game bullets. Cup n core bullets are rebranded target projectiles . Wake up and do sum unbiased research. U will see im 💯 correct
As @RonSpomerOutdoors said in one of his videos, the .50 BMG is the most effective caliber at taking wild game. Anything less is making compromises and tradeoffs for reduced recoil, weight, cost, less meat damage/loss, etc. It's a fun hypothetical nonetheless. Thanks for watching!
Largest bullet per cal. Is naver the best huntig bullet.stick to you steel and dont bull shit your self on your long range shooting. Vast ammmount of people cant shoot 1 in. groups at 100 yrds. Ask Criag Botington he tested hunters 100 of them with thier guns and they cant deliver. This is B S past 400 with a huntig rifle good luck.
Backfire did a video not long ago offering $1,000 to anyone who could shoot 1 MOA, and his results were similar. Even with modern technology that can still be a challenge, especially with a hunting rifle and not perfect conditions. Each hunter needs to decide for themselves what their acceptable range is for hunting. Luckily for me, nearly all of my shots are less than 200 yards. Thanks for watching!
Silly and stupid. 6.5 PRC is a barrel burner. If you're shooting 12 - 15 rounds a year you're set. But if you get serious and actually shoot your rifle, your barrel will be experiencing accuracy degradation by 1000 rounds and be toast by 2000 rounds. If you want a "deer cartridge" it's .308 or 7.62x39. If you want a "long range hunting cartridge" it's .300 Win. If you want "'nuff gun for Alaska and everywhere else" it's .375 H & H. Or you can just man up and get a 12 Gauge with interchangeable barrels.
@@rmichaelzachary8574 when my 6.5prc burns out the barrel MANY years from now I’ll just buy another barrel. Big deal. I’ve got over $5,000 invested in my 6.5prc. Shoots less than a 3in group at 600 yards. No need to shoot tons a rounds a year with it. It’s on and it won’t magically change poi by itself. Got over $7,500 in my Weatherby Mark V .257mag. Took it out for a 300 yard cold bore shot before season after being locked up a year, was off 1/4 inch at 300 yards. Both guns shoot comfortable sub .5moa. No need to shoot them endlessly. The Swarovski scope on my .257 doesn’t move by itself. Point is the barrel burner argument is way way out dated. They all will burn a barrel if shot enough. I have multiple 30cals and same thing. If you finally shoot out a barrel so what, just send it off for a new match grade for a few hundred bucks then get back to killing. If I shoot 100 rounds a year with the PRC it would take a decade to see any noticeable accuracy loss. Again big deal.
FYI I went to Berger's ballistic calculator and populated your data, 143 ELDX, 2887fps, G1 BC at 0.625 and compared it to my 270 Winchester, 150 Berger VLD at 3000fps in a Krieger 24" #3 barrel with a full case of H4831SC, Federal 210Match primer, and Winchester brass - out of curiosity when you said beyond 400 yards the 6.5PRC will outperform the 270. I disagreed with that statement, respectfully but wasn't sure. Here's what the numbers showed: 270 Win: yards: 400, vel: 2311, energy: 1779, drop: -24.30 500 2154 1546 -44.37 600 2004 1338 -71.94 700 1859 1151 -108.19 800 1719 985 -154.51 900 1585 836 -212.62 1000 1455 705 -284.61 6.5PRC: 400 2310 1695 -25.61 500 2178 1506 -46.27 600 2050 1334 -74.25 700 1926 1178 -110.50 800 1808 1038 -156.13 900 1694 911 -212.41 1000 1586 799 -280.79 As you can see, it's actually not until somewhere between 600 and 700 yards where the PRC barely edges the 270 with some numbers in this case. But the 270 drops less until you get to 900 yards and those numbers might as well be identical, and, there's only a 4" difference in drop at 1000 yards and energy differences are barely remarkable, certainly if anyone wanted to fill a tag at those distances, a hit from either one isn't compatible with life. Your load does carry more energy after 600 yards Of course there are those who will say I'm not comparing apples to apples, that I should have used factory Hornady ELDX 145 grain 270 Win data but to be fair, they should rewatch your video cautiously as you did not set any guides for the comparison, thus, I didn't either and of course used one of my best handloads but it's still a 270 Win and I was following your lead since you were speaking in general terms. I suppose I could run the numbers also with my Barnes LRX 129 grain at 3380fps in my 270 Win over a full case of Superformance powder just to add more comparison but I'm old and it's past my bedtime. Got lots of patients to see tomorrow.
Yes but you have to handload it to get that. The point of the prc is it's already there in the factory load. I'm getting 3,100 fps out of a 24 inch barrel with federal factory and 2930 with 143 hornady. Looking at Nosler's reloading data that puts the factory loads in the low to mid range as far as it's capability(teh factory will never load it as hot as it can be) So if I want to and I might, I may buy reloading equipment for it and shoot the 130's at 3300 fps and the 142s at 3100. Those loads would be a better comparison to your maxed out 270 load and still would be superior...in a short action.
@@Manbunmen65not to mention a custom fast twist barrel. Supposedly Browning has or will have a fast twist barrel in 270, that will make it interesting but still the reloading issue
I am in Wyoming using PH2 in 6.5 PRC for Antelope and Elk and it is an awesome cartridge. I reload so I can get the most out of it. I will say that I am DONE with the 143 ELD-x exploding bullets. I thought the Bergers were bad about that. The Eld-x is worse!
That’s good feedback. What bullet are you using now? Sometimes I wonder if I should switch to the Hornady Outfitter line with the CX. I want to set up a 7 PRC using the CX.
@ well unfortunately I am getting through the season with the Eldx and still figuring out were I will go next. I still have a late season cow elk tag to fill. I am not familiar with the CX. I will need to look into them. After years of hunting with Berger and now the ELDx I will definitely be moving to a bonded bullet. The trick is finding one in stock that has a high BC. Because of the powder I have on the shelf, I will stay with the 140 class at least for now. That seems to be a good range for velocity versus wind resistance anyway.
@MaxairEngineering if you want a high bc bonded bullet the 142 Nosler ABLR is a good choice and doesn't explode like the ELDX. I prefer the Barnes LRX 127 grain for 6.5 on elk and long range antelope. Not sure on your velocities, but I'm pushing 3450 with a 6.5-300 and the Barnes LRX 127 crushed a bull elk shoulder this season. It's a better bullet than the CX for mono metal. I too am in Wyoming looking for late season cows.
@ thanks. Yeah for the powder I have I need to stay 140 class. Nosler sure is proud of their bullets $$. Unfortunately I heard that they too explode at close range. Was that bad intel? I’m in Laramie btw.
@MaxairEngineering my experience with Nosler ABLR is just factory loaded 175s for my 28 Nosler, I don't reload them. I have killed elk from 200 to about 650 with no issues. The 28 velocity is around 3100 which I assume is similar to your 6.5 PRC, yes they seem to be made of gold for their price. I try to stay off the shoulder with most bonded bullets that's why I switched to Barnes, the ABLR didn't explode but they definitely have a larger wound channel and damage meat. Terminal Ascent have also been great, I use those for bonded, but I think they only come in a 130 for 6.5. I am in Casper and hunt the Southern Big Horns.
Another quick note - my 270-7PRC is getting 3230fps with a 170 Berger VLD in a 24" 4 groove cut-rifled barrel. This outperforms the 6.5PRC with anything, the 7PRC with a 180 VLD at 3000fps, and a 7PRC with a 195 EOL at 2900fps. I have one barrel chambered and another rifle in process and 5 more barrels on the way with 8, 8.5, and 9 twist. Plan to compare 150 Nosler ABLRs, 165 Nosler ABLRs, 170 Berger VLDs, and possibly some Hammer 162 (?) grain bullets and finally some 155 Barnes LRX
Great video by the way
Thanks for both of your comments and for watching!
@@HuskerHunting sure thing. By the way, I took a Tikka 300WM and a 6.5mm Brux barrel to my builder to convert it to a 6.5PRC. It will be the 4th 6.5PRC for me
7mm Remington mag! The best cartridge ever developed!
That's a great cartridge! Thanks for watching!
I picked the 7mm wsm hunted with it for 21yrs already and don’t intend to switch anytime soon. 2000fps at 700 yrds with 162eld x. It’s very comparable to the 28 nosler and ballistically identical to the 7mm prc over two decades before the 7mm prc came on the scene. Kinda funny cause my OG abolt 7mm wsm looks like and is rigged up just like the newer x bolt hells canyon and shoots like one too.
Happy with my 6.5x55 Swedish
You must not live in grizzly country
@@Paul-q3m7k
The Norwegians and Swedes use it to take moose, it's fine for bear.
I’ve been doing a lot of research and for what I’m looking for I’m planning on getting a 6.5prc. I like the combination of the ballistics and moderate recoil when using a 24” barrel. And like you said, with a brake or suppressor I think it’s a great caliber.
I think you'll like it!
.308Win for the win
If you plan on only hunting and shooting at max 300 yards, the 270 is the go-to rifle for deer and smaller game. If you like to dabble in both target and hunting then 6.5 prc is your gun. With the 6.5, you can go to the range and show off to your friends that you can hit steel at 1200yd or take it on a hunt to kill deer, pronghorn, or boar. The 270 has been around for 100 years, and i doubt it will disappear, but i dont think the 6.5 prc is going away anytime soon, either. For those who try to justify the 270 or 6.5 is an elk gun, please step up to at least a 7mm or preferably 300. I will get some flak saying it, but elk, moose, grizzly all need 30 cal or bigger cartridges.
Great comments, and thanks for watching!
I can understand 30cal for grizz but elk 6.5 is sufficient
"Need 30 cal or bigger cartridges" is obviously no true seeing all the game taken down with the 6.5 prc. I can agree that a bigger cal is more optimal.
Sweeden's have been killing moose with a 6.5 for 100 plus yrs
Another uninformed 270 fanboy
300 wsm is perfect.
270 all the time
Great control and accuracy!
The one I have the most confidence in.
That's arguably one of the most import factors! Thanks for watching!
I have a slightly different viewpoint. I'll be getting a 6.5prc this year. I live in a heavily wooded area. Shots over 100 yards are very rare. 50 yards is much more common. Even if I could take those long shots I wouldn't. Just too much possibility of the animal moving during the bullet flight. So why get the long range cartridge? So I can play at the range of course! Long shots are fun! Just not my idea of ethical hunting.
If I'm gun hunting from one of our tree stands I'll usually grab the 30-30 lever action. It's much more suited for those sub-100 yard shots. Ironically enough, the buck I shot with this 6.5 PRC this year was at a whopping 15 yards. I was wishing I had the lever action that day! Thanks for watching!
@@HuskerHuntingagreed up close give me my red dot 30/30
I have a Tikka T3x CTR in 6.5 PRC. I am very impressed. It's a keeper for sure.
A 30-06 with 180 gr. Norma Bondstrike.
That’s a hard question to answer. I would want something small for critters just in case for survival talking about the rabbits, birds, squirrel, variety. But can’t really use that for the full the fridge hunting. I would have to say depends on where you live and ability. I’d say a .308 would cover everything unless you have the big boy predators in your area. Then I’d pick 300 win mag being so versatile. I just can’t see picking something that you might not be able to find if things went to crap. Running around with a new or recently new cartridge sounds like a roll of the dice for only the reason of availability. I love my 300 PRC but there is no way I’d ever bet my life and existence on that cartridge.
It’s a very hard question to answer! As you noted, it’s highly dependent on your geographic location and the size of game in your area. Thanks for watching!
all around. for me that means deer to elk and moose out to 450. it cant blow up deer at 25 yards so muzzle velocity has to be under 3000. I might have to shoot a hungry bear while hunting the the deer, so I want a few decent bullets that can achieve everything on the list, which means it cant really on superformance, berger, or the eldx to meet my above criteria.
6.5prc, fits that. 6.8 western, .280 AI. all great choices. narrow that to 400 yards and you have the .270 and the .30-06 saying hello. no need for more recoil till you are very serious about taking game past 600 or hunting dangerous game and that is outside of all purpose imo.
I have the same gun same scope in 6.8 western, the Xbolt is a great gun, that’s a great set up
I was SOOO close to going with the 6.8 Western on this one. It is a sweet spot caliber!
@@HuskerHunting my son bought a 6.5 prc sweet shooting rifle. I went with the 6.8 for the heavier bullets
@@jasonharmon4314 I wouldn't mind having a 6.8 Western myself 👍🏻
@@HuskerHunting
I have both and I love both. They are accurate and are very versatile. I love short actions, so these two fit the bill.
My 6.8 is a mountain rifle for those long treks in the canyons and mountains in Idaho and Oregon. It only weighs 5.3 lbs…. I use my 6.5 in the open desert country due to its accuracy. It has a longer barrel and weighs about a pound more, but the recoil is nil.
So I have both and I love both these cartridges and the rifles that go with them. Pending on where I’m hunting, will dictate which rifle I grab.
@@jimedick9496 What optics do you have on your 6.8?
7mm-08, bullets from 110gr. To 175gr. Anything that draws breath is in the cooler.
Amen brother. My goto is a 20 inch 308 with a 155 grain Sierra TMK. At 2750 its pushing right at 1000 foot pounds at 500 yards. Here in coastal North Carolina shots are never that far. Most are under 150 yards. Either way, out to 500 (as you put it so well) if it draws a breath its in the cooler
270 hands down
Yeah a 270 been doing the job for a 100 years now
I almost went with a .270. For a 100-year old cartridge the ballistics are still tough to beat!
Have to throw a WSM on 270 for it to beat the prc
I hunt with a 270 and a 7mm-08, and there isn't enough money that could get me to change over. And I have never had to take a deer at more than 250 yards.
Well no one cares
You going to defend yourself from a Coastal Brown Bear with that 270?
6.8 western is the best mid tier cartridge that needs us to demand more supply. It literally beats everything without going to high on the recoil chart
The 6.8 Western is an outstanding cartridge. I nearly bought a Model 70 Supergrade in 6.8 Western last week.
300 win mag.
6.8 western
I would really like to get a Model 70 in 6.8 Western. Great cartridge!
@@HuskerHunting I have in xpr sr love it
I’ve had a 270 win, 300 win, 6.5 PRC (twice), 308 win, and 7 PRC. I’ve sold them all and went back to a browning Xbolt 6.5 PRC for the third time cause I’ve learned my lesson lol
Oh wow, you've ran the gamut of quite a few cartridges and still landed on the 6.5 PRC. What brought you back to it over the others?
Hypotheticals are only that. Hypothetical. This happens with every new cartridge that comes out “what if you could only have one cartridge?” Well there are thousands of people who hunt with one gun. And they all seem to do fine with whatever it is they use 7mm, 270, 30-06, 30-30, etc. and Hornady himself is there to sell a cartridge. He’s not that poor he can’t choose to shoot with any gun or cartridge he wants.
I agree, it’s more about the Indian than the arrow! Thanks for watching!
You mean the president of Hornady chose a Hornady cartridge? No. Way.
Here's an old saying that still rings true today; "Not much a man can't fix, with 700 bucks and a 30-06"
There's definitely a reason some of the classic cartridges like the 30-06 and .270 are proven and popular! Thanks for watching!
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Great cartridge but a little light for Bison.
Fair enough! Thanks for watching!
After years of studey, the 30-30 Rifel.
The 30-30 is one of my favorites!
10 years from now, you'll be buying that ammo on line cause it won't be in the stores. However, 270 ammo will still be there just like it has been for the last 99 years. And the 243. And the 7mm-08. And the 7mmMag. And the 308 and the 30-06 and the 300winMag.
Yes, ammo availability is a big advantage to the classic caliber selections. The 6.5 PRC may have been hard to find on shelves a year or two ago, but I've seen a lot of it in local stores in the past year. Cheers!
130 gr barnes tsx 6.5 prc everyday of the week.
All Around rifle hunting ammo ? Always available ? 1. 308 2. 30-06 , but my favorite rifle hunting ammo 1. 6.8 Western 2. 6.5 PRC
That 6.8 Western is a heck of a cartridge!
I’ll take the 7 PRC
The 7 PRC is an excellent all around caliber!
Thanks. Good stuff!
Glad you liked it!
Only 1 cartridge......I'd say the 300 WSM
30 cal is so dam versatile, you can nearly DOUBLE bullet weight it can nearly equals 300 win mag velocities yet it's a short action cartridge and it's inherently accurate
The 300 WSM is very versatile! Thanks for watching!
I just bought a new rifle. A Browning Xbolt Hells Canyon Speed Long Range 280AI. It has a 1@8 twist and a 26-inch barrel . How do you like the Leupold? Haven't decided on a scope. Scopes I been looking at.
Leica amplus 6 3x18x44mm
Trijicon tenmile 4x24x50mm
Zeiss V4 4x16x44mm
Nightforce shv 5x20x56mm
Leupold VX5 HD 3x15x44mm
Leupold VX5 HD 4x24x52mm.
Any suggestion on a scope?
Do u have a 20 MOA base on yours?
That 280 AI is a sweet cartridge, I think you'll like it. I know @BackcountryHuntingPodcast speaks highly of it, and I think I saw in one of his recent videos that he topped it with the Leupold VX-5HD. I like my VX-3HD, and got it a great price on sale. If you're shooting really long ranges the dual rotation turret on the VX-5HD might be worth the extra cost. My base is not the 20 MOA, just the standard. I have a link to the scope, rings, and base in the description. Thanks for watching!
The Leica is in a class by itself compared to the others you listed. I was looking at the 2.5-15x50, but I can't afford something like that.
Great choice of rifle, caliber, and scope. Good combination. I have the same setup.
@mikemelina7395 the Leica is little more than what a Leupold VX5 cost. Leica Custom turret cut to my gun and load is 125.00. Trijicon is 49.99 alot cheaper.
@@ozark_trapper Yeah, I'm seeing the Leica on optics planet for $1,700 and the VX5 for like $1,100. The Trijicon is about $950...Good glass costs money I guess.
The 6.5 PRC is an excellent cartridge, but if you want to use all-copper bullets, it absolutely is NOT any better than the old .270 Win. I reloaded and shot both, side by side, for four years. The highest B.C. all-copper bullets available for the 6.5 is the Barnes 127 gr. LRX with a .468 B.C. The .270 Barnes 129 gr. LRX bullet has a B.C. of .463. The powder capacity of both cartridges is almost identical, as are the muzzle velocities, 3000 f/s - give or take. It's all a matter of math, folks: two bullets with B.C.s and muzzle velocities that are the same have the same external ballistics - drop, wind deflection are the same, even with bullets of vastly different weights. In this case, with only 2 gr. of weight separating these two, even the energy is the same. As a matter of fact, the .270 can be driven a little faster than the 6.5 (according to Barnes reloading data), and it has a larger frontal diameter, which actually gives it a very slight edge over the 6.5. Don't be misled by the hype ... unless you don't mind buying cartridges that cost at least twice as much for one caliber than for another caliber that can do the same thing or better.
30/06 hands down lol let's ask Hornady what the best cartridges oh yeah when they made 😂😂😂
The .30-06 is definitely a tried and trued classic! The ammo availability and load selection is tough to argue with, too. Thanks for watching!
.308 win for 1 cartridge to do everything
Negative
Doesn't shine at much of anything but does everything good definitely the one cartridge to have
Absolutely..
308 refers to 30.06 as daddy.
@@flynnryder7798and 30-06 bows down to the 300 win mag and says yes master.
Using lighter copper bullets for hunting
A forgotten cartridge, 280 remington or ackley.
The .280 Ackley Improved is a great cartridge!
For me the caliber doesn't matter so much, i could take a 6,5mm ,308win, 27cal ,7mm cal etc ,but choosing the gun is easier blaser r8
Thanks for watching!
280 AI with a 1/8 twist barrel gets it done on everything in North America!
I take my 270 over anything
He said it his self “out to 400 it’s the same”. Shit…I can’t see that far. You can still buy .270 all over the world.
The 6.5 prc is superior to the 270 in every aspect...if you care for the numbers and not that it matters that much. But it is and in a short action.
With hand loaded 145gn ELD-X
@@Manbunmen65not in frontal diameter, which matters on large game. Everything else tho, yes
Great cal.
Wow, I have the same rifle and same optic.
Awesome! How do you like it?
@@HuskerHunting it’s doing everything it needs to do. Feeds great, accurate, handles good. Kills good. Only thing I don’t like is the trigger took some work. I’m going to review it eventually on my channel.
I gave you a sub and will watch for it. Thanks for watching! 👍
@@HuskerHunting thanks
One pick... I'll stick with my 338 win mag...250 grain partition... has been working great for 37 years.
That's a great cartridge and will get the job done every time!
“Leupold” vs “Leopold”
can you hear the difference?
Yes, "Loo-pold" is the correct pronunciation, and it's a tough habit to break!
Lol who cares
It’s a good cartridge for most game. Idk that it’s for the largest game. I’d probably choose something larger for anything larger than elk. IMO.
I would agree that for anything larger than an elk a guy would be well-suited to step up to a 30 caliber. Thanks for watching!
6,5-284 norma.....
.280 rem, or 06
I will stick with my 270 and my 30-06 thank you very much. 🍻
Those are both tried and trued choices!
22 long rifle.
.308
My military buddy were throwing em away 😂😂😂 free ammo for me
Your scope is mounted high. It's pronounced Loopold. 6.5 for small game. I shoot bigger guns. My zero is 300 yards and I don't need no stinking dials for hunting😅 As you get more big game hunting experience, you'll discover that 30 cal and up are much more reliable on big animals, and on target bullet performance is just as important as shot placement. 6.5 PRC is a good deer gun.
Either a 270 or 380...
l dont owned a .270 Winchester to be clear, however the 6.5 PRC look to me like a "clone" by the number to the .270 Winchester
No mention of the new big brother - 7 prc?
I'm hoping to get a 7 PRC in the new X-Bolt 2 this year ;)
@@HuskerHunting Got it. Am thinking of the same in the Savage 110 Ultralite. Why do you prefer the X-Bolt?
@@timjude That Savage 110 Ultralite is a hella nice rifle. If I could get that rifle in a 7 PRC I'd jump on it, especially since Cabela's has the Ultralite on clearance right now!! cabelas.xhuc.net/B04Wa1
280ai. 6.8 Western might be another good choice but I don't own one so can't say. 6.5 Prc? I do own one of those but a forever choice? .270 would be better.
300win nothing else 🤷♂️
It's a great caliber!
@@HuskerHunting we’re not allowed to hunt with anything smaller then 7mm diameter where I live. So no 6.5 for me 🤣
@@eiszeit9795 Oh no way! Where are you from??
Not even legal on large deer species where I hunt. 😂
Why limit yourself to one cartridge? Life would be boring. I like and reload for many. Just tonight while reloading for my 6.5 PRC I counted 34 reloading dies . From the 22 hornet up to the 300PRC. PS Read what Jack O’Conner said about hunting cartridges.
I agree, variety is the spice of life, so I personally practice and encourage the acquisition of as many as I can! :) Jack O'Conner is legendary! Thanks for watching, sir!
44 hear in the mead west
GBR
They just need something new to hype up and sell us.
280 ackley improve
I know that's a favorite of @BackcountryHuntingPodcast!
Why developing a 6.5 PRC if the .270 Winchester already exists.
The .270 is a solid cartridge, especially with some of the newer fast-twist barrels being available.
Why develop the 270 if the 30-40 krag already existed?
@@Manbunmen65 Because of the 7x57 at the war with Spain.
Short action instead of long action
@@zingo_man 😳
These only one cartridge thing is B.S.
You can’t eat a rabbit, bird or squirrel shot with that kind of cartridge. It’s a 22…
still too many uses where it is too big by far and others too smallby far. like fishing rod outfits no one perfect one rod choice , too many varied uses, knowing than few really need anything bigger as most chasing critters small as deer only.
Agreed. That's why we should all have several to choose from in our arsenal 😊.
"This scope has quarter inch MoA increments on it"....
Yep, with a long single take errors are inevitable. Thanks for watching!
@HuskerHunting inches and moa are two completely different units of measurement, that's a pretty big error
Of course Jason would pick a PRC if he didn’t then I would think he wasn’t bias😳 6.8 Western, 300 wsm, 7 rem mag! I have been hunting reloading and collecting rifles 60+ years and Hornady had done more damage to the hunting community then any other company other then the democrats. All this long range bullshit has wounded more game then the bears and cougars and had out a foul smell in the whole hunting community with the general public. Trying to turn every hunter into a sniper is not what hunting is about and that’s one of the main reasons hunting is dying off! Let’s get back to hunting and not this long range sniper bull and get the respect back that the real hunters deserve and need to promote ethical hunting!
Well said!
Yeah, I sure didn't expect him to say 6.8 Western! 😂 They are a good organization though and are an innovator for the industry. I do agree on your take about promoting ethical hunting! Just because a rifle can shoot effectively at 500+ yards doesn't mean that's a shot that should be taken on an animal depending on circumstances.
Even though I had this rifle for deer season, the irony is I shot that buck at a whopping 15 yards. I was secretly wishing I had the Model 94 lever action 30-30 with me that day, as it would have been much more suitable for the shot! Thanks for watching!
100%.
100% agree Edward, as for your cartridge picks, the first 3 that came to my mind were 6.8W, 7 rem mag and 30-06spr.
Folks have been ignoring their own max effective range long before hornady ever came along. I would argue that the avg schmuck being too unskilled to reliably execute shots on game at any distance is the number one cause of wounded and lost game.
Of course Hornady engineering will claim only thing to use is a Hornady caliber. I’m not saying the 6.5 isn’t capable because it definitely is. But so is darn near every caliber above 25. He’ll until you get into Bears I’ll take my 25-06 on any hunt you send me on including Elk and Moose. I’d rather use my 270 on Elk but when it comes to an effective all around caliber the 280 AI with a 1/8 twist barrel is dam hard to beat even with Hornady’s 7 PRC. If I have to include Grizzly then I guess I want my 300 Rum it’s truly the best and ya all are sucking hind tit if you don’t believe that.
The 280 Ackley Improved is a hell of a caliber, and a favorite of many. Thanks for watching!
Pretty sure the 6.5/284 out runs that. Just doesn't sound as cool.
Dont think it does prc has half a grain more case capacity
Modern twist/ projectile length
When you ppl pick your caliber don't forget to take Brown bear into consideration not saying that you will hunt for brown bear but imagine you went on a elk hunt and just killed your elk and was celebrating then out comes the brown bear and he smells the elk on you now do you feel comfortable putting down a brown bear that wants to eat you with the caliber you picked
Thankfully I don’t encounter any of those on the reg or I’d be toting a much bigger bore. Thanks for watching!
Scope is mounted way too high.
Leopold is pronounced Lupold, with a hard U. Sorry, it's hard to watch when you mispronounce a product.
Yep, I did, and it's a tough habit to break for sure, but thanks for watching anyway!
@@HuskerHuntingI really did like your show, I was just like ouch.😅
Quoting Jason Hornady’s opinion was embarrassingly foolish.
Somewhere between 6.8 western and 300 win mag
6.5 prc just isnt enough for grizzlies and moose. 6.8 western checks those boxes and for me .277 is minimum im comfortable with on heavy and dangerous game in NA.
Dude, Norwegians and Swedes have been hunting moose with 6.5 Swedish (less powerful than PRC) longer than .300 WinMag has existed.
@leecline5759 your right, it works well. But it's not my caliber of choice. The moose here are bigger and there are brown bear in the area.. im taking my 300wm or very least 270
.308 or 30.06, to many only consider when things go right with smaller calibers, and not the more likely scenario when things go wrong. Give me a whole big enough to create a blood trail, not one easily plugged by skin and cartilage.
Not to mention, I have seen ammo dry up and guess what, 308 was there to be had.
The rest is all marketing bullsheet.
Soon as i see anybody advocating for eldx and hunting i shake my head and stop watching. When will you people learn. Eldx and all other cup n core tipped projectiles are not hunting projectiles. Yhey open up too fast and come apart . Terrible depth of penn. Absolutely no place on killing game. Mono metal , bonded core, or partitions style bullets are game bullets. Cup n core bullets are rebranded target projectiles . Wake up and do sum unbiased research. U will see im 💯 correct
Only a thousand round barrel life …. I don’t think so
Definitely not a 6.5… you’ll tract wounded game more that actually hunting….
As @RonSpomerOutdoors said in one of his videos, the .50 BMG is the most effective caliber at taking wild game. Anything less is making compromises and tradeoffs for reduced recoil, weight, cost, less meat damage/loss, etc. It's a fun hypothetical nonetheless. Thanks for watching!
My choice wouldn’t be a 6.5 anything
Largest bullet per cal. Is naver the best huntig bullet.stick to you steel and dont bull shit your self on your long range shooting. Vast ammmount of people cant shoot 1 in. groups at 100 yrds. Ask Criag Botington he tested hunters 100 of them with thier guns and they cant deliver. This is B S past 400 with a huntig rifle good luck.
Backfire did a video not long ago offering $1,000 to anyone who could shoot 1 MOA, and his results were similar. Even with modern technology that can still be a challenge, especially with a hunting rifle and not perfect conditions. Each hunter needs to decide for themselves what their acceptable range is for hunting. Luckily for me, nearly all of my shots are less than 200 yards. Thanks for watching!
6.5 anything is junk. A 270 smokes it
Silly and stupid. 6.5 PRC is a barrel burner. If you're shooting 12 - 15 rounds a year you're set. But if you get serious and actually shoot your rifle, your barrel will be experiencing accuracy degradation by 1000 rounds and be toast by 2000 rounds.
If you want a "deer cartridge" it's .308 or 7.62x39.
If you want a "long range hunting cartridge" it's .300 Win.
If you want "'nuff gun for Alaska and everywhere else" it's .375 H & H.
Or you can just man up and get a 12 Gauge with interchangeable barrels.
It sounds like you've got it all figured out. Thanks for watching anyway! 👍🏻
@@HuskerHunting
It got figured out in the late 60s and 70s when the gun writers of that era pitted 6.5s vs 7s and found that 6.5s burned out barrels.
@@rmichaelzachary8574 when my 6.5prc burns out the barrel MANY years from now I’ll just buy another barrel. Big deal. I’ve got over $5,000 invested in my 6.5prc. Shoots less than a 3in group at 600 yards. No need to shoot tons a rounds a year with it. It’s on and it won’t magically change poi by itself. Got over $7,500 in my Weatherby Mark V .257mag. Took it out for a 300 yard cold bore shot before season after being locked up a year, was off 1/4 inch at 300 yards. Both guns shoot comfortable sub .5moa. No need to shoot them endlessly. The Swarovski scope on my .257 doesn’t move by itself. Point is the barrel burner argument is way way out dated. They all will burn a barrel if shot enough. I have multiple 30cals and same thing. If you finally shoot out a barrel so what, just send it off for a new match grade for a few hundred bucks then get back to killing. If I shoot 100 rounds a year with the PRC it would take a decade to see any noticeable accuracy loss. Again big deal.
FYI I went to Berger's ballistic calculator and populated your data, 143 ELDX, 2887fps, G1 BC at 0.625 and compared it to my 270 Winchester, 150 Berger VLD at 3000fps in a Krieger 24" #3 barrel with a full case of H4831SC, Federal 210Match primer, and Winchester brass - out of curiosity when you said beyond 400 yards the 6.5PRC will outperform the 270. I disagreed with that statement, respectfully but wasn't sure. Here's what the numbers showed:
270 Win:
yards: 400, vel: 2311, energy: 1779, drop: -24.30
500 2154 1546 -44.37
600 2004 1338 -71.94
700 1859 1151 -108.19
800 1719 985 -154.51
900 1585 836 -212.62
1000 1455 705 -284.61
6.5PRC:
400 2310 1695 -25.61
500 2178 1506 -46.27
600 2050 1334 -74.25
700 1926 1178 -110.50
800 1808 1038 -156.13
900 1694 911 -212.41
1000 1586 799 -280.79
As you can see, it's actually not until somewhere between 600 and 700 yards where the PRC barely edges the 270 with some numbers in this case. But the 270 drops less until you get to 900 yards and those numbers might as well be identical, and, there's only a 4" difference in drop at 1000 yards and energy differences are barely remarkable, certainly if anyone wanted to fill a tag at those distances, a hit from either one isn't compatible with life. Your load does carry more energy after 600 yards
Of course there are those who will say I'm not comparing apples to apples, that I should have used factory Hornady ELDX 145 grain 270 Win data but to be fair, they should rewatch your video cautiously as you did not set any guides for the comparison, thus, I didn't either and of course used one of my best handloads but it's still a 270 Win and I was following your lead since you were speaking in general terms. I suppose I could run the numbers also with my Barnes LRX 129 grain at 3380fps in my 270 Win over a full case of Superformance powder just to add more comparison but I'm old and it's past my bedtime. Got lots of patients to see tomorrow.
Thanks for the comment and comparison. The two cartridges are very similar for sure!
Yes but you have to handload it to get that. The point of the prc is it's already there in the factory load. I'm getting 3,100 fps out of a 24 inch barrel with federal factory and 2930 with 143 hornady. Looking at Nosler's reloading data that puts the factory loads in the low to mid range as far as it's capability(teh factory will never load it as hot as it can be) So if I want to and I might, I may buy reloading equipment for it and shoot the 130's at 3300 fps and the 142s at 3100. Those loads would be a better comparison to your maxed out 270 load and still would be superior...in a short action.
@@Manbunmen65not to mention a custom fast twist barrel. Supposedly Browning has or will have a fast twist barrel in 270, that will make it interesting but still the reloading issue
300 wsm
Not. Too small up front.
No , no it’s not . There’s like 10 off the top of my head I’d pick over a 6.5 😂