Lmao these replies are hilarious. Shot placement and being proficient with whatever you take hunting is key. My 6.5 creed killed elk just as dead as my 338 did and for those of you that actually eat your animal I can tell you they taste better with a hornady from a 6.5 than a barnes from a 300 rum. If you spent your time on the range and in the woods rather than behind your keyboard telling others what to use there would be alot more ethical kills and alot less tracking.
Your rationale for this cartridge and it's intended use is spot on. Flatter shooting and more energy than 6.5 creed, Swede, .260 and not overbore like .264 win mag. Yet uses same high bc bullets. Less recoil than the .300 and other magnums. What's not to like? To the haters, so you would have ammo makers stop innovation? Should we all be driving Model T's, too? Humans are always going to tinker, experiment, improve. If they didn't you wouldn't have your Sacred Swede! The 6.5 PRC will be in my arsenal soon. And I don't even generally shoot long range. Sounds like a great all rounder to me. Thanks for the informative video.
Why not just stick with the 6.5x55 Swede, similar ballistics and it's commonly available in most parts of the world? Action needs to be longer but you can seat bullets right out to suit the rifling for best accuracy.
It's a hunting rifle, you don't need to build a 1/4" load, anything under 1" a hunter will load it & run with it, and may not even do that, if a factory load shoots under 1" they will just run with that.
You aren't going to push a 140gr bullet out of a 6.5x55mm @ 2900 fps. Lots of factory ammo is only doing 2500, and published reload data tends to top off below 2700 fps.
What’s with all the whiners and haters commenting. I agree. The 6.5 PRC doesn’t do anything mythical. There’s nothing it can do that other cartridges can’t. So what! Most of us have several rifles chambered in a bunch of different cartridges. They all do basically the same thing; sling small pieces of inert metal at targets. Some inanimate. Some living. Why is something like a firearms or ammunition manufacturer introducing a new product so triggering?! Whew. Sorry guys. Just had to vent.
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Good video. Couple issues. Basing a cartridges lethality on "energy" has been disproven by modern science. Next, if you are using a 180 grain 30 cal bullet in a 300 Win mag to shoot game at that distance..... you are handicapping yourself and the cartridge. Why not use the highest BC hunting bullet in that cartridge to make up for what you called "the margin of error."? Just as you did for the Creedmore and PRC? All three are amazing as I own 2 of the 3. And have a shot a PRC out to 1000. But let's make sure we are comparing Apple to apples here.
Hi Anthony. For our purposes we do not shoot as long as you are shooting. We offer the TM rifle in a number of calibers. For the PRC we are trying to fill a certain niche of mountain hunting. I feel it's a "practice out to 1000 if you have a place to shoot that far, but hunt at 300-600" kind of combination. Staying on the fleeting Tur, Chamois, or North American Sheep between shots is critical, thus the "just enough energy but not too much" comparison is important for felt recoil. Second, I used less than best BC bullets in the .300 so we didn't carry excess energy for the animals we would be targeting in that range and to keep the trajectory similar and felt recoil reasonable, once again for best practical margin of error reasons in the kind of hunting situations we will recommend this rifle for. As we all know, calibers are not one size fits all and thats why we offer the gun in a number of calibers. That said we really think the PRC fits well for the guy traveling high and far and shooting mid sized big game. And yes, all three are amazing! I love them all.
True Magnum, well said. I find it amazing the comparisons to old cartridges and something new. I am a boomer and can get caught up in the same rhetoric. Having been around firearms and shooting/hunting all of my life and growing up with Frank Barnes and Elmer Kieth, Jack O'Connor and the likes one can get "stuck". When the 6.5 PRC is compared to some of the older 6.5's (.264 M, 6.5 Rem Mag, 6.5x55 Swede) and such I think one misses the fact that the newer cartridges are designed with the long for caliber bullets used today. Chambers cut with this in mind allow these new cartridges to seat the LFC (long for caliber) bullets so the case can utilize full powder capacity. This also allows for a more efficient combustion chamber. So comparing "JUST" ballistics and energy many readers and in this case "watchers", miss the concept as to what is happening today. Add "macho" comments about weight of rifles and such I would have to assume no trekking for the largest of sheep or other 14,000 ft and above critters has been accomplished.
True Magnum , your comparison SUCKS - why didn't you use a .30 bullet with a BC closer to the high BC' s of the ELD-X - OH like a 175gr Barnes LRX or a 190gr bullet. And as a matter of fact you've got to be the MOST UNEDUCATED - MISINFORMED so call PRO, that I've EVER come across in all my 48 years of shooting, reloading & hunting - to make the statement that a .300WIN MAG is OVER-KILL is COMPLETELY STUPID - IGNORANT, & in fact SIR, you should just Shut Up & get off the NET(YOU-TUBE) !!!!!!!!!!!!! You can hunt anything from woodchucks to BROWN bear, moose with a .300win mag, & do it with commercially LOADED ammo, let's see you do that with your precious little 6.5. In fact your little 6.5mm WILL NOT HUMANLY KILL @ the distances you project because they DON'T HAVE THE WEIGHT behind them to PENETRATE, nearly as much as the heavier .30 cal bullets. If you don't believe me, why don't you look up the true gunsmith, Randy Selby on YOU-TUBE - ACCREDITED with over 35 years @ Speer with hundreds of custom guns to his credit & more than a dozen rifle calibers to his credit, I'm sure he will tell you the same thing. And between the two (2) of us roughly a 100 YEARS experience with guns, calibers, loads, BALLISTICS & killing animals, I'm pretty sure NO I'M DOWN RIGHT A 1,000,000,000% sure we know more than YOU. You need to STOP misinforming people just to sell your so called custom rifle........... I am so sick of you wanna be experts....... I could just keel over & die listening to all your LIE's just to make a few bucks - it's a disgrace to true craftsmans, & TRUE EXPERTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've studied this cartridge and after years of shooting the 300WSM. I am going to try this cartridge, I will return with my report... Also I am tired of recoil as I age... Just my opinion
Blah, blah, blah!!! Probably a great round, if you could buy ammo for it. Can't even buy components to build the stuff unless you got BIG MONEY!! I'll call it a great round when all major manufacturers not only build the rifle but also make ammo for it plentiful.
With all due respect, your comparison to the 300 Win is very flawed. In your ballistics comparison you’ve used Hornady’s best, heavy for caliber bullets in both 6.5’s and totally handicapped the 300 Win with a low b/c 180. Set the 300 up with say a 212 grain ELD-X at 2900fps or 225 ELD-M at 2800 and there’s no longer a contest...not even close.
..300 is better but for some shooters but the prc is low recoil for the power and thanks to the marketing the componants will be available easily.... The .264 woulda worked fine but its just not available like the prc is. Sometimes the hype has some pros
The 300 win mag blows the 6.5 prc away in the energy department. Goof balls like you compare the best 6.5 loads to the worst 300 win mag loads. I have a news flash for you. In the same way the 6.5 performs better with heavier high bc bullets so do most cartridges. For a 300 win mag that occurs from 215-230 grains. Please look at the numbers for yourself. Once you do you will stop touting this bs.
I like the energy created amongst firearm enthusiast with all these new boutique rounds that are coming into the market. Like them or hate them, it’s excitement created in a sport that could easily stagnate. But, they’re hunting rifles, not tacticool “weapons”. For me, my .30-06 will continue to do all the work I need out to 400 yards. Y’all have fun.
I just purchased my first rifle and ended up with 6.5prc 1.one because of my friend 2.I live in flat areas of New Mexico and figured It be best to learn to fire long distances.
The 30.06 is a great all around North American hunting round. I have a M1 Garand that is just a dream to shoot. I picked the 6.5 PRC for my first long range precision target rifle for a couple reasons. 1: The ballistics with ELD Match or even ELD hunting bullets just crush .308 for match shooting. 2: Plenty of power vs Elk which is the biggest game I would potentially be interested in harvesting. 3: I already have bulk ordered 140gr match bullets for my AR-10 6.5 Creedmoor. Since I already have great 6.5 bullets on hand, all I need is cases and powder to reload PRC. (dies also of course) You can never have too many tools in the toolbox.
Wow, lotta people haten' on the PRC. Don't get me wrong, love my 300wm for elk, but the 6.5 will get it done too. I run both guns during hunting season. A heavy 300, 13.5lb gun, for those long shots close to the truck that I get to prone out. Then there's the 8.5lb 6.5 for those long mtn hikes. The 6.5 PRC will do 90% what the 300 will do with less weight and recoil. It has its place.
Derek. There was a relative of your´s (Karamojo Bell) that shot well over 880 Elephants with a 275 Rigsby (7x57 Mauser) . I have shot deer and cattle steer with a 22 Lr. at 40 yds between the eyes . If I can get whithin bow hunting range of an Elk a 22Lr will do it.But a 6.5 is a bit underguned for the task and if it´s a bit beyond even more. 7 mm Rem Mag. Heavy bullet . My choice 338
When I was 30 Yrs I walked the ridges in the catskills from sun up till almost dawn to make it back to my car, The gun was a 1917 enfield in 30-06 that probaly wheighted about 8.5 with scope. I would swap your 300 Win mag for a lighter model. Great calliber but on the heavy side for a hunting rifle
Yes. The higher the number of the BC the better the bullet at retaining velocity and energy. The 7mm outperforms the 300 win mag at further distances. Granted the 300 win mag is no slouch and an amazing round. I have tremendous respect for both.
I wanted only enough energy to kill, no excess. This keeps the trajectory as flat as possible which is important for this rifle in the backcountry where you are shooting high power, long distance.
True Magnum Never heard of wanting just enough energy. I agree that the various 6.5mm calibers are great but everyone comparing the 300WM with light bullets to 6.5 with heavy bullets are busy obscuring the truth. 300WM with heavy (208gr+) bullets beats the 6.5's handsdown in the longrange game.
Gotta agree. Even if you only consider factory ammo, the 300WM has a number of readily available cartridges with similar BC to the 0.264 143 grain ELDX. It's therefore carrying about 1/3 more energy over the 6.5 PRC, no matter the range. Stating otherwise is pulling a fast one.
Hunting anything except pests at over 500yrds is just dumb, could be because I live in a country where almost all hunting is done off hand within 200 meters. But I dont see blasting anything close to a km away as hunting, just recklesness
I love the PRC, I have one. But I don't like the paid advertising. The problem with this explanation is that ballistics and energy don't kill. Tissue damage and blood loss does. I'm tired of this energy BS all the time. If you want one, got for it. But a 7mm-08 a .270 would be just as good.
Ballistics and sectional density is what has made the 6.5 a serious go to round in the field for a century. From the Swede to the PRC 6.5 just makes sense.
Personally the worst problem I see with unethical hunters are people that wont hunt at least a mile at bare minimum away from their truck and preferably 3-4 miles away. To me if you're not hunting on foot and hauling your kills out on foot with the pack on your back you're just a lazy piece of crap whose slob hunting. But the worst of these lazy pieces of trash are the ones who don't even get out of the truck they drive down forestry roads occasionally parking and glassing while hoping they can spot and shoot something from the truck the then use the truck to haul it out its just laziness.
All this hype for a shortened 260 that was designed for one purpose to fit long heavy Bullets in a ar mag. hornady spent a lot of time and money paying for magazine hype and everything else you can think of sure worked ! Amazing how you can control the public ! Don’t get me wrong the creed is good ! But there are plenty of other 6.5 out there that kick butt! they have always been there it just took hornady to get us Americans to pay attention to the 6.5 . Say 100 plus years kudos to hornady for getting it done this time ! My 260 and 6.5 x 284 will not be replaced for the creed just saying ! Good shooten to all !
One more thought, in elk country, you will see the bigger bulls at the highest point of the tree line, which makes them very difficult to stalk in what has been the historical way to hunt--stalk to get close. As we move towards shooting from mountain top to mountain top, killing bigger bulls in their 'safe havens', how long will it be before the trophy elk is an average 5X5 or maybe even a 4X4? Add in the wolves and before you know it, we will only be able to read about hunting trophy elk or they will be raised behind a high fence. If you want to be a sniper, join the Army. They need you.
They don't care, as long as they get their big bull. Super long range hunting is, I'm afraid, going to have a negative impact on our game populations down the road. People are trading in ethics for technology and the guarantee of success. That and the fact that the majority of the guys who are super long range hunters are fairly well off, we're going to become just like Europe, where only the wealthy can afford to hunt. Joe Average can't afford the latest and greatest that seems to come out every year, and is at a disadvantage compared to the well heeled.
Thanks for an excellent rundown of the advantages of the 6.5 PRC. I recently purchased a Browning X-Bolt Pro in 6.5 Creedmoor. It weighs 6 lbs, 1 oz., true mountain rifle weight. Using Hornady 140 gr. ELD-M ammo I got 1/2" 5 shot groups. BUT I had to let the skinny barrel cool down after each group to prevent "wandering" of shots that would open up the groups. Unfortunately (for me) the 6.5 PRC was not available in an X-bolt Pro at the time in 2018. So now I am thinking I'll sell it and get the very same rifle in 6.5 PRC. I live in Nevada and want more bullet energy at longer distances. But I do not want a barrel burner, a lot of recoil and a heavier rifle. The extra 2 oz for an extra 2" on the barrel in the 6.5 PRC X-Bolt Pro over my present 6.5 CM X-Bolt Pro is an excellent tradeoff for a higher energy cartridge with the heavier 6.5 bullets. I'm still within mountain rifle weight territory. Browning wisely gave this new rifle a 1:7 twist to stabilize those heaver bullets of 143 gr.+
When did it become sensical to hunt any animal beyond 500 yards regardless of caliber, ballistics and even shot placement. Even with today's superior optics, plethora of caliber variants, powders producing high velocities at SAAMI pressures - 500 yards is a long distance. From the time an experienced hunter pulls the trigger to the time he walks the distance to reach the point of impact much time has transpired. There are numerous animals that were wounded but not killed immediately that bled out, and may not have been found as a result Hunter negligence. Every time you pull that trigger you are responsible for a clean kill. That seldom happens at 500 plus yards.
I love the 6.5prc. Saves my shoulder from my 7mm rem mag. But on the real big game thev6.5prc may not be big enough.But If still use it. What gun ate you shoot I g it out of. Great info voxeo.Thank you.
Me too! It may not be the biggest a, baddest cartridge. It rings my 300 and 525 yard steel plates with similar authority as my 7 Rem Mag. I wouldn’t hesitate to shoot whitetails out to 700 yards with it.
Its true that there are a lot of rounds that will go faster or hit harder then the PRC or other rounds but it's about efficiency. Your PRC , Creedmore, 7mm-08 , 243 , 308 etc. do it with alot less powder , shorter cases , less recoil , shorter barrels, less noise, less expensive, lighter weight guns . It's about efficiency . That's why they are so popular. EFFICIENCY
Cant shoot 140s out of a 260, Remington thought it would be a good idea to put a slow twist barrel in them for lightweight bullets, you'll run out of energy quick.
Nice marketing; I hope Hornady paid you for that promotion. I believe that the 7mm WSM has similar recoil impulse to that of the 6.5 PRC. The 6.5 PRC seems to just be a new marketing with limited resources for Brass just as the Nosler series (i.e. Nosler 22, 26, 28, etc). I have also not seen SAMMI specifications for the 6.5 PRC; I checked today. I will keep watching this cartridge and can always need another excuse to purchase a new rifle.
We hunt the enemy with 35 pound machine guns and 25 pound sniper rifles, I don't see a problem. I volunteered to be a machine gunner and still carried my rifle on my back just in case. You can never have enough firepower or ammo is a motto passed down for generations in my family. we haven't missed a war yet. even with bone spurs lol jk
ya if ur a total pus! u act like its gonna kill u lol, ya every lb adds up but come on, most guns are around 6-9lb anyway, so what are u even talkin about, an most long range ultra mags are over 13lb rifles! unless ur hunting with a little underpowered airgun lol, which reminds me, even most high powered airguns sre over 8-10+ lbs bud
6.5 creed is a target round, that happens to work well for hunting purposes. The PRC is great, but please understand it isn't a new idea, compare it to the .264 win mag developed 59yrs ago! The PRC is designed to sale guns nothing more nothing less.
The 6.5 PRC has a longer neck to handle longer bullets with shorter bearing surface due to longer (sleeker) ogives that shorten the bullet's strait bearing surface. The .264 Win mag requires you to COMPRESS powder loads FOR LONG BULLETS. This can often spike pressures unacceptably. This means you can use heavier bullets (i.e. longer bullets) for, say, bull elk.in the 6.5 PRC v.s. the .264 Win mag.
@@exothermal.sprocket not true at all. 24in length standard and Winchester sold a 22 inch sport. They never sold a 26 inch. Also they only burn barrels if you keep running shot after shot continuously. They are a hunting rifle not a target. The 264 is better than the others except for the 26 nosler that shoots factory 129gr at 3400 fps. The 264 factory ammo is a little weak at 140gr at almost 3100fps. That's Remington corelokt. Mine doesn't like Winchester ammo for some reason. You can load the same 129gr bullet at around 3250 fps. None of those other rounds will do that. The thing is you have to take a little time between rounds and if you shoot 3 in a row give it time to cool down. Remember, you're not going to get 3 shots at a deer all at one time and if you do, you wont reload and go right back at it and if you do you're foolish because you have no sense shooting at an animal after missing 3. You know you can't kill it clean then stop. You have to be a willing to take that punishment from the 264 and nosler 26 also. They kick like a mule.
@@sonsofliberty3081 What I meant by "26" minimum length barrel required for the .264 win mag" is because of the design and capacity of the case, the fact it's a very over-bored cartridge and burns a lot of powder. If you want the benefits of .264 Win Mag you should be running the longest barrel possible, at least 26" to achieve the velocity the cartridge was really designed for. Again, barrel life isn't what it's known for. I had a .220 Swift 26" at one point. Impressive for .22cal but of course on the bleeding edge of maximum overkill, short barrel life, and powders that allowed it to utilize case capacity in a longer barrel.
I’m stunned at how many cartridges are left by the wayside in these kind of videos. Does anybody read anymore? What’s wrong with the .270 A.I.? How about the .280 A.I.? How about the 260 Rem? 7mm-08? 30-06 A.I.? 7mm Mag? 7x61 Sharpe and Hart? 6.5-284 Norma? 257 Roberts? Please folks, understand that the new Hornady cartridges might be cute but they are in no way forging new ground in cartridge development. The only thing that’s different is that gun manufacturers are finally offering rifles with twists that can handle the heavier bullets for longer range plinking. That’s it. The .264 caliber rounds just happen to get first consideration in this new twist “twist” cuz some were short action, had lower recoil and readily available bullet choices for the discipline. Get ready, in five years expect the same theatrics in the .277’s, 25 calibers and 6mm’s when everyone will be switching again. Why? Better performance due to sectional density, b.c.’s and flexibility in application.
You keep saying caliber referring to the creedmore. It's cartridge.. your prc and the creedmore share the same caliber despite being different cartridges.
What I have found is that when comparing the 270 ELDX ammo against the 6.5PRC ELDX ammo using Hornady website, is that at 100 yards the velocity and energy numbers are equal. Now at 500 yards Hornady publishes numbers that have the 270 practically as fast as the PRC and the energies very similar. The 270 is running only 100 fps and 100 ft/lbs behind the PRC. Finally using the a 200 yard zero the 270 is within 1.5 inches of the drop for the PRC, which is only one click more adjustment on a MOA scope. I just find it interesting how close they are in performance out to 500 yards.
To all, yes that is really my last name. I’m from the Buckmaster family that first made the 264 Win Mag Improved. At the same time the 6.5-240 Wetherby. I did the development of our 6.5 Dakota over twenty five years ago. Those three model 70 actions, early 1990’s rifles, were highly modified for function and accuracy. All three have 30 inch heart barrels with leads set for different bullets. This cartridge was made to out perform the old 6.5-300 Wetherby Magnum in heavy rifles made in the 1960’s. Those heavy rifles had 32 inch barrels and Unertl scopes. The charts were made using split image Barnes and Stroud range finders. Chronographs weren’t even developed yet. They were designed to and did take game at one mile. To be honest. Even in a heavy rifle with a 30 inch barrel, that cartridge doesn’t have the velocity. Elk are tough. If you don’t put them down, and especially if they get to water, you’ll never find them. Now I’m sorry, but in hunting conditions most people are not accurate enough to put that bullet in his brain pan or through his heart at those distances. You have to take an ethical shot through the vitals at the shoulder or chest. An oblique angle is fine just as long as you have an A frame, a partition type bullet. You have to have at least 1800 foot pounds of energy to do that and put the elk down clean. That medium cartridge can not generate the velocities needed to accomplish that. That cartridge can’t even beat the old 6.5-06. If your going to try and take elk at 5, 6 or 700 yards with a hunting rifle, at the least use a 264 Winchester Magnum. If you know what you’re doing, you can run it at 3500 FPS. Even at 3300 or 3200 FPS, the 264 Win Mag can do it. I know there are people who can build the rifles, developed the loads and make kills at those ranges. Most people can’t with a hunting rifle. To be honest, I wouldn’t even try without one of the custom rifles. Make a clean kill and enjoy yourself.
Nosler has a 26 cal out now and it's the first thing I've ever seen that could shoot faster than the 264. I have a rem model 700 from 1968 and it still shoots true. My pap bought it new and died in 88 willing it to me and I took several deer with it as well. You just have to use patience and not fire shot after shot. If you are a good shooter you'll only take one when your hunting anyway. He never took more than 3 rds because he said if he didn't get it he didn't deserve it.
Absolutelly agree. Big game is tough. For me 7mm rem mag heavy a minimum for elk.Any thing else even a 243 will do it.Me 338 win mag from rabbits to grizzly and beyond. Kramojo Bell killed over 800 Elephants with a 275 Riggsby (7x57 Mauser) yet it would not be my choice. The one and only big game rifle i had till about 35 years of age was a sporterized 1917 enfield in 30-06. I shot factory amo and till reloading with old speer 165 grs grand slams got me sub moa with a pitted barrel. I had the confidence to aim and take a deer trough his eye . Wery tough built bullets and would shoot trough. Spine decame my aiming point
Remember when Roy Wheatherby came out with his Magnum cartriges. It encouraged a lot of average hunters to shoot game at outrageous ranges. His souped up cartriges could kill game way out yonder just becase they were Magnums. Marksmanship and bullet placement skills were put behind performace. I see a new ultra long range craze whithout the proper skills for it
Lots of Fudds out there buy a range finder and think they can make a long range shot in the field without actually training for it. But the guys like myself who have the actual gear and practice will out shoot these guys all day long even inside 300 yards. We're definitely not the dudes on opening day shooting five shots at a deer. I've honestly only missed one deer since making the switch from a Fudd to a rifleman. So much more confidence in making a shot 500 and in than I used to be making a 200 yard shot.
Great video I have been a fan of the 7mag for over 40 years. Moose Elk Whitetail and Mule deer 👍. But even with the 7mag bullet construction and placement is very important! I have used Speer Sierra Hornady Berger Nosler and Swift. The best hunting bullet for me is the partition bullet! Swift Aframe and Nosler 160 gr. Berger is a fantastic target bullet but I won’t use them again for hunting. I’m now 68 years old and looking for something with a little less recoil. And really want to try a new modern cartridge. So I am taking a good look at the 6.5 PRC. I really think it would do well for Elk out to 350 -400 Deer out to 500 But I usually like to get within 200. With something like the 127 LRX Thanks for letting me Ramble. 😂
I am a little surprised. The PRC, while being a fine caliber, is a bit mediocre when compared with the spirit of your program and one of your primary advertisers. The 26 Nosler is a True Magnum with stunning performance. When paired with the right muzzle break, the recoil is insignificant. At the modest and respectable shooting distances you attempt, the .270, or .280 is within 1” of the PRC’s performance. I know, old technology has no sex appeal, but it sure does kill! Keep up the great work.
Bullet Placement ( hint recoil IS a factor in this ) & Bullet Construction ( penetration & cavitation ) mean more than Energy Dump myths (like Mr. Brion's arbitrary 1500'#s) ; "KO Power"/"Kinetic Energy" etc. which set arbitrary #s for lethality. And remember a magnumitis flinch ( oh, none of you heroes have ever had that happen ) is worth at least a thousand foot pounds of terminal energy.
Just like a sales man pay someone enough money and they will find the reason why you should buy there product and y the rest of the guns are obsolete the 300 win mag has been around 55 years tells you it's a great caliber I hunt with the 300 win and 300 ultra both r great calibers it puts the smackdown on big game like the hammer of thor so keep trying to push those 6.5 I will stick with my 30s
It has never been about velocity, energy, or what caliber you are shooting it is and always has been about shot placement period saying the 6.5 CM stops killing elk at 500 ir really silly, lets keep this real it is in the end the shooter his work ethic and his ability to read and dope his target remember Jack O'Connor he killed everything in North America with a 270 and 130 grain poorly constructed bullets, lets concentrate on keeping our shots to their ability with whatever gun we shoot...
there are videos here on youtube where a giant elk was taken with a 6.5 Creedmoor at over 700 yards. It had a exit wound the size of a basketball. there was no ribs left. I have no problem hunting anything with my 6.5CM
hornady is dissing the 6.5CM just to sell the magnum version of it. tho its a good round it doesn't mean the CM works less than it did last year. they shouldn't lie about the 6.5CM just to try to sell you an upgrade. if you already have a 6.5CM to hunt with, this round is totally unnecessary. If you want to shoot benchrest it may give you an tiny edge. If you are going to shoot a animal at over 1000 yards good luck with that anyway. I wouldn't try it unless it is a yote or varmint.
JB they edited out all the misses and all the animals they wounded with it and they only show you the good parts. This goes for any round, not just the 6.5. Good day and god bless you.
For all the dope reading longrange calcs etc there is one fundamental that can never be solved flight time and its relationship yo live mobile quarry. All the calcs in the world do you no good when you have released and during flight the animal moves.
I see what you’re saying but any one can read tables! I still like what Nathan Foster of New Zealand says in regards to elk. It’s about pay load. And 6.5’s really need high speed to kill. Personally I’d rather be on the upper end of elk medicine, rather than the lower end. Heavier bullet weight and larger cal’s do make a difference! I’d still stay either 300 mags. Ever a hot loaded 06, in a longer barrel, to me, is better than any 6.5 when it comes to elk. Sadly though a great rifle package, what we are seeing here is a talking down of what you may already have and a great desire to sell you something. I’ll stick with sporterized 24” barreled war time Mauser 06 that shoots 3/4” -Thanks
James, very knowable and informative video. I recently purchased a Bergara B14 HMR Wilderness 6.5 PRC and truly enjoy this rifle. The issue as of today is that ammo is very difficult to purchase. Blue skies & shoot straight. Jg
Nothing wrong with new ideas . There's a huge collective of old and new cartridges that from a practical field perspective will get the task done if the hunter is skilled with the rifle in hand .
@@patrickgallagher4344 I never said it was! But I have owned a .30-06 and I know for a fact that it will drop anything you shoot at inside of a 1000 yds although I would never make that shot myself, my step-father made the shot and dropped a Mule Deer Doe, too risky with that heavy and slow of a cartridge but give me a 7MM Mag or a .300WM and were good!
Only good for 500 or 600 to take game paper much farther gotta look at energy at distance your bullet needs energy to expand and penatrate I'd rather one of the 7mm's
this stupid argument,is like saying what can a 9mm do that a .380 cant? or a 45 acp that a 40 cant. or a 357 that a 44 cant? who cares people just want to shoot different things
And I'm sure the PRC round is going to be as easy to find as a rocking horse's dick, I bet even reloading components are going to be a nightmare to find
This is bullshit, you are trying to up your sales with all these new calibers. There are more than enough calibers to choose from. A couple of years you promoted the older calibers, now they are not good enough any more. An ethical hunter shouldn't shoot further than 400 meters.
It is…find bullets or brass for it though! I burn through at least two 7saum barrels a year on average…haven’t pulled a trigger on a 7saum since COVID…they simply stopped making brass for it in favor of others…I can feed 6.5 prc all day long though….7saum is far superior to most cartridges…but it may be a COVID death
@@mikegrendel9126 haha keep believing that…7saum is a custom build with no support…your average hunter, no matter how extreme is not going to buy a rifle he can’t get bullets for..reloading or factory, it ain’t happening brother…try and find some 7saum brass real quick
Where I live in the NW and starting out hunting in the late 1950's up into the 1960's the most common were 30-30 , .270 win and 30-06 for deer, elk and bear .. Over 50 years I have found the .270 hard to beat except elk at beyond 300.. I hunted with two old timers who used 6.5mmX55 mm and that ctg was an eye opener for flat shooting and very accurate for taking game every year.. People said why use a 6.5mm that's used in Europe ? Took years for hunters to take a second look at the 6.5mm.. Myself I just do not hunt or take shots beyond 400 yards at game. . Well said but I do not agree Elk at 800 yards should be taken as its really a narrow margin in the hunting field for something to go wrong no matter the ctg used..
Norman Mallory - I just don’t understand shots at game over 400 yards. If you want to shoot long go to a range. I almost got punched once at a game checkpoint. Some loudmouth was bragging about shooting his buck at some ridiculous range. I told him I wouldn’t be bragging about being such a bad hunter I couldn’t get closer than half a county away.
Bill Peirce thats an opinion that is faulty, there have been plenty of deer killed with a 243 and elk for that matter. Those super 50 cal killing hypersonic recoiling machines aren’t for everyone. Some people are just more confident in there shooting and don’t have a complex. Btw I use the 6.5 and the 300 win and the 7mm well I use the 6.5 and don’t the other 2 anymore. Guess I just grew up?
Personally the worst problem I see with unethical hunters isn't poor caliber choice it's people that wont hunt at least a mile at bare minimum away from their truck and preferably 3-4 miles away. To me if you're not hunting on foot and hauling your kills out on foot with the pack on your back you're just a lazy piece of crap whose slob hunting. But the worst of these lazy pieces of trash are the ones who don't even get out of the truck they drive down forestry roads occasionally parking and glassing while hoping they can spot and shoot something from the truck the then use the truck to haul it out its just laziness.
Long range hunters are using 208/210 grain bullets in the 300 wm. This pushes it's capabilities much farther out than the 180 grain. I use a 6.5 saum and 300 win mag. My 6.5 is loaded light to 6.5 prc velocities. (3050) and my 300 is loaded to 2950 with 208eldm. Do the math on that at long range.The 300 is my elk gun the saum is my deer gun
paul watson Yes the 1500 yard using the 6.5 saum I messed up on my calc I had a couple of profiles for different loads. Clicked the wrong load without realizing it putting my first few shots way low. Doh! The 6.5 prc is an awesome round. If I wasn't already so invested in the saum I'd be building one. It's an excellent choice for Target and hunting
That's an awesome combination for long range elk! I used the lighter .300's to help my trusty .300 wm balance out the trajectory vs energy. It just drops more than I liked for this comparison, being one of killing mountain critters in the 400-600 range with Elk at the very outside of the size. 300 wins at over 1000 yards all day long. Your selection is for longer shooting that I do.
ERROLD TULEY , this fool @ true MAGNUMS has no clue what he's talking about. First to compare a 6.5 - 143gr to a 180gr - .30 cal wasn't even close. Why didn't he chose a .30 cal with a BC comparable to the 6.5 ???? Personally I'd like to see him put his 6.5prc up against my .300 WIN MAG, spitting a 175gr Barnes LRX @ 3,187 fps, on a Moose @ 500 yds & see which one drops that animal first, front shoulder into boiler room shot, or even straight up boiler room shot, bet ya that .30 cal hits him like a freight train while that little 6.5mm is more like a VS Bug.
There are so many cartridges that are the same if not better. 6.5-06 6.5-06ai 6.5-284 260 rem 206 rem ai 6.5 saum 6.5 sweede Just to name a few are all better than the prc it’s all marketing.
My Swede chucks a 140gr. Nosler Partition out of a 22" tikka barrel at 2730 fps. The rifle is an absolute hammer. I keep all my shots to 350 yards absolutely max. I'll shoot .45-.75 of an inch all day if I do my part @ 100 yards. Dont need some expensive rifle with a new innovative cartridge to drop Deer, Elk or even Black Bear. The Swede is over 120 years old, and it still plays with all these new 6.5s (non magnum)
None are better. They're either as good but different, or they're worse. If it won't shoot the same projectiles at a similar velocity then it's apples to oranges. The direct competitor of the 6.5 PRC is 6.5-284. It's basically a ballistic twin in a short action. If you don't think there's a role for cartridge that performs the same as another but in a shorter yet efficient case, then you must take issue with the 7mm-08 (short-action twin of 7x57mm), .260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmoor (short-action twins of 6.5x55mm Swedish), etc. A short action means a lighter, shorter, handier rifle. 6.5 Creedmoor has a short enough overall length to load long bullets and still work in a .308 Win magazine. The 6.5 PRC does not, but if you're not trying to fit into such a magazine then you're good to go. If you look at the charts, you'll see that 6.5 PRC and 6.5-284 have probably the best accuracy for the amount of recoil available in long range shooting. Better external ballistics than much heavier recoiling magnums like 7mm Rem Mag. (Marginally) less wind deflection than even .28 Nosler. Way, way, better external ballistics than .300 Win Mag, and all with muzzle energy and recoil no greater than .308 Win. The 6.5-284 has proven itself, and the 6.5 PRC is essentially the same thing in a shorter action. That's a big advantage for most people, and means it will fit in many actions that 6.5-284 will not. The only way a cartridge in the same caliber is worse is if it's less efficient, requires a longer action, is rimmed (a general disadvantage, but not for every rifle), or isn't a good match for the most desirable bullets at the velocity it's shooting. What you see with the older cartridges that can shoot the same bullets at the same velocities is less efficiency, meaning more recoil, more powder, and more noise for the same velocity, an unnecessarily long case requiring a longer action on the rifle (increasing weight and length, which in the case of these long-range rifles is already considerable). 6.5 Creedmoor is great because you can shoot it with high-BC bullets out of an AR. 6.5x55mm or .260 might work as well for you in a bolt-action ballistically, or even (very) slightly better, but since all the AR guys are buying 6.5 Creed, and that's what the manufacturers are loading, you have economies of scale and factory ammo is more available and much less expensive. That's a big advantage as even those who handload often shoot at venues where handloads are not permitted, like in training classes and competitions.
@@Paelorian The whole reason this cartridge was designed was to appeal to long range hunters, which in my opinion is garbage. What is the reason to shoot an Elk at 700 yards? There is none. You can talk ballistics all day and while it is a handy little flyer, paper is the only thing it should punch at distance. The only advantage it has over my Swede is it carries energy farther. At 100, 200 or even 300 I could replicate the accuracy this cartridge offers, as velocity isnt always the key to accuracy. Being a short action doesnt appeal to everyone, nor does it offer much advantage over a standard action.
The hornady eld x bullet is not a hunting bullet its more of a match bullet that has a light jacket boat tail bullet that will not penetrate deep enough on elk at long ranges
It expands all right BUT frags within a couple inches NO PENETRATION, I know I shot a 347 pound Ontario black bear with one that the guide had to shoot , upon inspection we found that the bullet turned into pepper flakes - & that was with a broadside shot that only hit one rib @ 206 rangefinder yards.
None of the extreme long range bullets are super penetration bullets. They're not tough bullets. Look at Bergers for example. They're constructed just like a target bullet, because that's essentially what they are. I prefer to have a good tough bullet that won't blow up and fail to do it's job.
With the exception of the Federal Trophy Bonded TLR and Barnes LRX bullets, which seems interesting to me. Hasn't Barnes bullets gotten a reputation over the years for being a poor choice for longer range hunting because of bullets failing to expand? Lots of stories out there regarding a Barnes bullet just penciling through with little energy deposited. I think the Hornady ELD-X bullets are good, they're kinda like a long range tipped Interlock bullet, nothing more. Definitely a better choice than paper thin-jacketed Bergers. Some people have had success with the Bergers, but I personally won't roll the dice on such a weak bullet that is really just a target bullet.
I thought the 6.5 PRC is the latest and greatest? I shoot a 260 Rem 140 grain Berger’s 2990 FPS. Hodgdon 4350 powder. And your saying the all new 6.5 PRC shoots a 140 grain at 2950 FPS from the superformance line of powder. Thanks for clearing this up.
Your handload I'm sure is max. The point is the commercial 6.5 prc is maybe the same as what you are claiming...which is up for debate. And the commercial loads are not at max so if you wanted to you could launch a 140 out of the prc much faster...if you wanted to. So why do I need to handload if I can just buy it. Thats the reason I sold my 6.5x55s and I'm a prc guy now.
@@Manbunmen65 I’m about 1.5 grains from max. I do have a 27” Krieger Barrel with 5R Rifling. I thought about turning my 260 Rem into the 260 Terminator but I don’t want to mess with the accuracy. It blows the shoulder out to 35 degrees. The 260 Terminator is getting around that 3030ish FPS from a 24” barrel and Reloader 26 if I remember correctly. I just feel if I need more gun I’ll use my 7 Rem Mag.
You do realize you were comparing a 143 grain to a 180grain. But I would have loved to hear the felt recoil comparison. You almost sold me on that one.
I calculate 1490 ft lbs at 675 yards with 143 eldx with .623 G1BC in 6.5 PRC at 3150 fps. If we’re saying 1500 of lbs of energy for elk, what are you using to get the 1500 lbs of energy at 800 yards? I’m only seeing 1090 ft lbs at 1000 yards using ballistics programming. Would love to know what your using to get the energy numbers your quoting from the PRC?
I really don't understand why you wouldn't just go with a 300 prc. It out performs the 6.5 prc. It still shoots heavy for caliber bullets with high ballistic coefficients and doesn't kick bad if equipped with a muzzle brake. I have a christensen arms ridgeline that is light, easy to shoot and has the ability to fling big 30 cal bullets with enough energy to kill an elk at 1,000+ yards. Is your logic simply that you don't NEED that much rifle? Personlly, I would rather have and not need than need and not have if you know what I mean.
OK, what does it kill deader than dead? .30-06, .308, 270 Win, 280 Rem all are good for anything the 6.5 PRC will handle. I've always been interested in building a 6.5mmX.308 rifle to get the huge sectional density and ballistic co-efficient, but I have no illusions it would be "World-changing". The .277/.308 Wildcat and 7mm/.308 are practically the same. Proper hunting bullets in heavier weights with good ballistic shapes have always been a problem for 6.5mm, otherwise, the Swedish 6.5X54MM is the answer to the question. I'd like a Ruger M-77V short action with a 26" target barrel and a Luepold 3X9 46mm scope, but there are lots of good rifles and scopes out-there.
Lost me on this one. Not comparing apples to apples. Of course the 6.5 will look good when you cripple the 300 win mag with a bullet with a lesser BC. Run the 300 win with a bullet with similar BC like a 210 VLD or a 212 eld-X and see what you get. Id agree this would probably be a bit excessive for deer, but if you want to kill large game like moose out beyond 500yards the 300 win with the right bullets is a far better choice, as is the 7mm rem mag with 162-180 class bullets.
The 280 AI is superior in every way to any 6.5. It has superior ballistics, a wider array of bullet weights and types and a similar recoil for similar bullet weights. It's no contest.
I work in the hunting industry and for an international hunting travel agency and I do a lot of hunting trips and I would never recommend a client to use a 6,5mm caliber or use ist for myself for big game over the size of small to medium wild boar. It is too small of a caliber in diameter and leaves no room for error. 6,5 and 7mm cartridges lead our blood trailing and search statistics by far. Some big hunting areas in eastern Europe even forbid the use of them. If you hit the vitals no problem, but if you hit stomach or intestines, what happens with clients all the time, it will be a difficult search with the dogs with very little blood signs. Over 8mm or with.338 you have much bigger chances to find the animal of something goes wrong.
Good review BUT you didn't talk about the 270 WSM. The main difference is the recoil and wind drift. I have a 270 WSM, a 300 WSM , and a 6.5 PRC. Each has its place. Shoot the 270 the most
Lmao these replies are hilarious. Shot placement and being proficient with whatever you take hunting is key. My 6.5 creed killed elk just as dead as my 338 did and for those of you that actually eat your animal I can tell you they taste better with a hornady from a 6.5 than a barnes from a 300 rum. If you spent your time on the range and in the woods rather than behind your keyboard telling others what to use there would be alot more ethical kills and alot less tracking.
Well stated.
"Where ammo availability is an issue"....😐 you mean like the United States today? Freaking sad
7mm magnum Rules!!!!!!!
Your rationale for this cartridge and it's intended use is spot on. Flatter shooting and more energy than 6.5 creed, Swede, .260 and not overbore like .264 win mag. Yet uses same high bc bullets. Less recoil than the .300 and other magnums. What's not to like? To the haters, so you would have ammo makers stop innovation? Should we all be driving Model T's, too? Humans are always going to tinker, experiment, improve. If they didn't you wouldn't have your Sacred Swede! The 6.5 PRC will be in my arsenal soon. And I don't even generally shoot long range. Sounds like a great all rounder to me. Thanks for the informative video.
Why not just stick with the 6.5x55 Swede, similar ballistics and it's commonly available in most parts of the world? Action needs to be longer but you can seat bullets right out to suit the rifling for best accuracy.
It's a hunting rifle, you don't need to build a 1/4" load, anything under 1" a hunter will load it & run with it, and may not even do that, if a factory load shoots under 1" they will just run with that.
Lightning Strike 6.5x55 loaded to modern pressures is a dam fine cartridge!
You aren't going to push a 140gr bullet out of a 6.5x55mm @ 2900 fps. Lots of factory ammo is only doing 2500, and published reload data tends to top off below 2700 fps.
@@adamhymas4620 True but I do get low 2800's out of mine but the point was you can get 6.5x55 ammo virtually anywhere, especially Europe!
@@adamhymas4620 funny thing, lapua brass, vithavuori n565 and 26"barrel will indeed push 140gr pills above 2900fps
What’s with all the whiners and haters commenting.
I agree. The 6.5 PRC doesn’t do anything mythical. There’s nothing it can do that other cartridges can’t. So what!
Most of us have several rifles chambered in a bunch of different cartridges. They all do basically the same thing; sling small pieces of inert metal at targets. Some inanimate. Some living.
Why is something like a firearms or ammunition manufacturer introducing a new product so triggering?!
Whew. Sorry guys. Just had to vent.
Which cartridge kills deader...
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Good video. Couple issues. Basing a cartridges lethality on "energy" has been disproven by modern science. Next, if you are using a 180 grain 30 cal bullet in a 300 Win mag to shoot game at that distance..... you are handicapping yourself and the cartridge. Why not use the highest BC hunting bullet in that cartridge to make up for what you called "the margin of error."? Just as you did for the Creedmore and PRC? All three are amazing as I own 2 of the 3. And have a shot a PRC out to 1000. But let's make sure we are comparing Apple to apples here.
Anthony's Outdoors what is a 6.5 PRC.
Nello Papi 6.5 Precision rifle cartridge. Designed between Hornady and GA Precision. It's basically a 6.5 WSM.
Hi Anthony. For our purposes we do not shoot as long as you are shooting. We offer the TM rifle in a number of calibers. For the PRC we are trying to fill a certain niche of mountain hunting. I feel it's a "practice out to 1000 if you have a place to shoot that far, but hunt at 300-600" kind of combination. Staying on the fleeting Tur, Chamois, or North American Sheep between shots is critical, thus the "just enough energy but not too much" comparison is important for felt recoil. Second, I used less than best BC bullets in the .300 so we didn't carry excess energy for the animals we would be targeting in that range and to keep the trajectory similar and felt recoil reasonable, once again for best practical margin of error reasons in the kind of hunting situations we will recommend this rifle for. As we all know, calibers are not one size fits all and thats why we offer the gun in a number of calibers. That said we really think the PRC fits well for the guy traveling high and far and shooting mid sized big game. And yes, all three are amazing! I love them all.
True Magnum, well said. I find it amazing the comparisons to old cartridges and something new. I am a boomer and can get caught up in the same rhetoric. Having been around firearms and shooting/hunting all of my life and growing up with Frank Barnes and Elmer Kieth, Jack O'Connor and the likes one can get "stuck". When the 6.5 PRC is compared to some of the older 6.5's (.264 M, 6.5 Rem Mag, 6.5x55 Swede) and such I think one misses the fact that the newer cartridges are designed with the long for caliber bullets used today. Chambers cut with this in mind allow these new cartridges to seat the LFC (long for caliber) bullets so the case can utilize full powder capacity. This also allows for a more efficient combustion chamber. So comparing "JUST" ballistics and energy many readers and in this case "watchers", miss the concept as to what is happening today. Add "macho" comments about weight of rifles and such I would have to assume no trekking for the largest of sheep or other 14,000 ft and above critters has been accomplished.
True Magnum , your comparison SUCKS - why didn't you use a .30 bullet with a BC closer to the high BC' s of the ELD-X - OH like a 175gr Barnes LRX or a 190gr bullet.
And as a matter of fact you've got to be the MOST UNEDUCATED - MISINFORMED so call PRO, that I've EVER come across in all my 48 years of shooting, reloading & hunting - to make the statement that a .300WIN MAG is OVER-KILL is COMPLETELY STUPID - IGNORANT, & in fact SIR, you should just Shut Up & get off the NET(YOU-TUBE) !!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can hunt anything from woodchucks to BROWN bear, moose with a .300win mag, & do it with commercially LOADED ammo, let's see you do that with your precious little 6.5.
In fact your little 6.5mm WILL NOT HUMANLY KILL @ the distances you project because they DON'T HAVE THE WEIGHT behind them to PENETRATE, nearly as much as the heavier .30 cal bullets.
If you don't believe me, why don't you look up the true gunsmith, Randy Selby on
YOU-TUBE - ACCREDITED with over 35 years @ Speer with hundreds of custom guns to his credit & more than a dozen rifle calibers to his credit, I'm sure he will tell you the same thing. And between the two (2) of us roughly a 100 YEARS experience with guns, calibers, loads, BALLISTICS & killing animals, I'm pretty sure NO I'M DOWN RIGHT A 1,000,000,000% sure we know more than YOU.
You need to STOP misinforming people just to sell your so called custom rifle........... I am so sick of you wanna be experts.......
I could just keel over & die listening to all your LIE's just to make a few bucks - it's a disgrace to true craftsmans, & TRUE EXPERTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've studied this cartridge and after years of shooting the 300WSM. I am going to try this cartridge, I will return with my report... Also I am tired of recoil as I age... Just my opinion
So what's the report? Do I buy the PRC?
And a 300 WSM kicks? Should try another brand of gun, diff stock shape etc, By me it´s not a kicker
Reweuing ballistic data its faster than a 30-06 but not by much. To light a gun ?
Blah, blah, blah!!! Probably a great round, if you could buy ammo for it. Can't even buy components to build the stuff unless you got BIG MONEY!! I'll call it a great round when all major manufacturers not only build the rifle but also make ammo for it plentiful.
6.5 Creedmor, way better, much factory support in terms of guns and ammo.
With all due respect, your comparison to the 300 Win is very flawed. In your ballistics comparison you’ve used Hornady’s best, heavy for caliber bullets in both 6.5’s and totally handicapped the 300 Win with a low b/c 180. Set the 300 up with say a 212 grain ELD-X at 2900fps or 225 ELD-M at 2800 and there’s no longer a contest...not even close.
..300 is better but for some shooters but the prc is low recoil for the power and thanks to the marketing the componants will be available easily.... The .264 woulda worked fine but its just not available like the prc is. Sometimes the hype has some pros
Yesterday I bought Bergara Premier Highlander in 6.5prc.
My first Bergara Premium HMR 6.5 PRC, purchased one month ago, very surprising and happy at the results!
The 300 win mag blows the 6.5 prc away in the energy department. Goof balls like you compare the best 6.5 loads to the worst 300 win mag loads. I have a news flash for you. In the same way the 6.5 performs better with heavier high bc bullets so do most cartridges. For a 300 win mag that occurs from 215-230 grains. Please look at the numbers for yourself. Once you do you will stop touting this bs.
I like the energy created amongst firearm enthusiast with all these new boutique rounds that are coming into the market. Like them or hate them, it’s excitement created in a sport that could easily stagnate. But, they’re hunting rifles, not tacticool “weapons”. For me, my .30-06 will continue to do all the work I need out to 400 yards. Y’all have fun.
I just purchased my first rifle and ended up with 6.5prc 1.one because of my friend 2.I live in flat areas of New Mexico and figured It be best to learn to fire long distances.
The 30.06 is a great all around North American hunting round. I have a M1 Garand that is just a dream to shoot. I picked the 6.5 PRC for my first long range precision target rifle for a couple reasons. 1: The ballistics with ELD Match or even ELD hunting bullets just crush .308 for match shooting. 2: Plenty of power vs Elk which is the biggest game I would potentially be interested in harvesting. 3: I already have bulk ordered 140gr match bullets for my AR-10 6.5 Creedmoor. Since I already have great 6.5 bullets on hand, all I need is cases and powder to reload PRC. (dies also of course) You can never have too many tools in the toolbox.
I appreciate the ethics you bring to the hunting sport. Too many long range shooters taking unethical shots. Great philosophy from you. Thanks!
Wow, lotta people haten' on the PRC. Don't get me wrong, love my 300wm for elk, but the 6.5 will get it done too. I run both guns during hunting season. A heavy 300, 13.5lb gun, for those long shots close to the truck that I get to prone out. Then there's the 8.5lb 6.5 for those long mtn hikes. The 6.5 PRC will do 90% what the 300 will do with less weight and recoil. It has its place.
Derek. There was a relative of your´s (Karamojo Bell) that shot well over 880 Elephants with a 275 Rigsby (7x57 Mauser) . I have shot deer and cattle steer with a 22 Lr. at 40 yds between the eyes . If I can get whithin bow hunting range of an Elk a 22Lr will do it.But a 6.5 is a bit underguned for the task and if it´s a bit beyond even more. 7 mm Rem Mag. Heavy bullet . My choice 338
When I was 30 Yrs I walked the ridges in the catskills from sun up till almost dawn to make it back to my car, The gun was a 1917 enfield in 30-06 that probaly wheighted about 8.5 with scope. I would swap your 300 Win mag for a lighter model. Great calliber but on the heavy side for a hunting rifle
Not heavy for calliber, My 30-06 bearly kicked .A 300 Win mag in that same rifle would push just a bit more. Your 300 iis perfect in a lighter gun
The 7 Rem Mag will hit harder than any of these calibers at 1000 yards. Ammunition is very common if you don't reload.
If you do reload try the 175 eld-x, with a bc .689 or the 180 eld's with a bc of .796
Absolutely true. Like to your comment
Yes. The higher the number of the BC the better the bullet at retaining velocity and energy. The 7mm outperforms the 300 win mag at further distances. Granted the 300 win mag is no slouch and an amazing round. I have tremendous respect for both.
Why didn't one of the magnum 7mms get a chance? 7mm with 175 eld x has high bc
I think mainly because the actions and ammo and recoil are so much heavier.
why use a light bullet in 300WM? Heavy bullets in the 6.5's vs light in the 300WM. The test favoured the 6.5.
I wanted only enough energy to kill, no excess. This keeps the trajectory as flat as possible which is important for this rifle in the backcountry where you are shooting high power, long distance.
True Magnum
Never heard of wanting just enough energy. I agree that the various 6.5mm calibers are great but everyone comparing the 300WM with light bullets to 6.5 with heavy bullets are busy obscuring the truth. 300WM with heavy (208gr+) bullets beats the 6.5's handsdown in the longrange game.
Niel Rossouw it’s an old trick to convince the pub! that’s what he’s getting paid for today ! Lol
Gotta agree. Even if you only consider factory ammo, the 300WM has a number of readily available cartridges with similar BC to the 0.264 143 grain ELDX. It's therefore carrying about 1/3 more energy over the 6.5 PRC, no matter the range. Stating otherwise is pulling a fast one.
RECOIL...scope eye...deafness...dirt in your face
Hunting anything except pests at over 500yrds is just dumb, could be because I live in a country where almost all hunting is done off hand within 200 meters. But I dont see blasting anything close to a km away as hunting, just recklesness
Cartridge not caliber. The PRC is the same caliber.
Whats the barrel life on a 6.5 PRC
308 guy i would like to known the answer to that question as well.... great question
I too am a 308 guy lol
Designed to push a 140gn projectile above 3,000 ft/s 1,200-1,500 times.
throw in a 28 nosler
0 barrel life
I will stay with my 300 WIN with the 200 grain ELD-X for elk thank you !
I have both cal...I like the 6.5 PRC the best. It has no recoil..at all my 300 wm has alot ..if I'm going bear hunting I'm shooting the 30 cal
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200 grain eld-x only has a .597 G1 BC that sucks for wind because bc is wind fighting if its not a .7 BC or higher its a close range gun lol
@James clark not a pussy I'm just a long range shooter that doesn't like recoil sine I became handicap
I love the PRC, I have one. But I don't like the paid advertising. The problem with this explanation is that ballistics and energy don't kill. Tissue damage and blood loss does. I'm tired of this energy BS all the time. If you want one, got for it. But a 7mm-08 a .270 would be just as good.
Ballistics and sectional density is what has made the 6.5 a serious go to round in the field for a century. From the Swede to the PRC 6.5 just makes sense.
Haha sectional density means nothing with bullets that blow to pieces like the eldx and eldm. Literally nothing .
The Swede is no better than a creedmoor . Hilarious
.257 stw 100gr Barnes xxx at 3800fps catch me if u can.
Gotta love all the neophobia in the comment section. Some people really do get butthurt because of a new cartridge LOL
Anything over 500 yards is not ethical hunting, it's all about your ego.
Personally the worst problem I see with unethical hunters are people that wont hunt at least a mile at bare minimum away from their truck and preferably 3-4 miles away. To me if you're not hunting on foot and hauling your kills out on foot with the pack on your back you're just a lazy piece of crap whose slob hunting. But the worst of these lazy pieces of trash are the ones who don't even get out of the truck they drive down forestry roads occasionally parking and glassing while hoping they can spot and shoot something from the truck the then use the truck to haul it out its just laziness.
All this hype for a shortened 260 that was designed for one purpose to fit long heavy Bullets in a ar mag. hornady spent a lot of time and money paying for magazine hype and everything else you can think of sure worked ! Amazing how you can control the public ! Don’t get me wrong the creed is good ! But there are plenty of other 6.5 out there that kick butt! they have always been there it just took hornady to get us Americans to pay attention to the 6.5 . Say 100 plus years kudos to hornady for getting it done this time ! My 260 and 6.5 x 284 will not be replaced for the creed just saying ! Good shooten to all !
One more thought, in elk country, you will see the bigger bulls at the highest point of the tree line, which makes them very difficult to stalk in what has been the historical way to hunt--stalk to get close. As we move towards shooting from mountain top to mountain top, killing bigger bulls in their 'safe havens', how long will it be before the trophy elk is an average 5X5 or maybe even a 4X4? Add in the wolves and before you know it, we will only be able to read about hunting trophy elk or they will be raised behind a high fence. If you want to be a sniper, join the Army. They need you.
They don't care, as long as they get their big bull. Super long range hunting is, I'm afraid, going to have a negative impact on our game populations down the road. People are trading in ethics for technology and the guarantee of success. That and the fact that the majority of the guys who are super long range hunters are fairly well off, we're going to become just like Europe, where only the wealthy can afford to hunt. Joe Average can't afford the latest and greatest that seems to come out every year, and is at a disadvantage compared to the well heeled.
Well said Sir.
Thanks for an excellent rundown of the advantages of the 6.5 PRC.
I recently purchased a Browning X-Bolt Pro in 6.5 Creedmoor. It weighs 6 lbs, 1 oz., true mountain rifle weight.
Using Hornady 140 gr. ELD-M ammo I got 1/2" 5 shot groups. BUT I had to let the skinny barrel cool down after each group to prevent "wandering" of shots that would open up the groups.
Unfortunately (for me) the 6.5 PRC was not available in an X-bolt Pro at the time in 2018.
So now I am thinking I'll sell it and get the very same rifle in 6.5 PRC. I live in Nevada and want more bullet energy at longer distances.
But I do not want a barrel burner, a lot of recoil and a heavier rifle. The extra 2 oz for an extra 2" on the barrel in the 6.5 PRC X-Bolt Pro over my present 6.5 CM X-Bolt Pro is an excellent tradeoff for a higher energy cartridge with the heavier 6.5 bullets. I'm still within mountain rifle weight territory. Browning wisely gave this new rifle a 1:7 twist to stabilize those heaver bullets of 143 gr.+
U will love the 6.5prc n o recoil
You need to talk to randy selby if you dont no who that is you really should look into it
I agree 100%, think he would laugh is
this guys face.
Agreed 👍
When did it become sensical to hunt any animal beyond 500 yards regardless of caliber, ballistics and even shot placement. Even with today's superior optics, plethora of caliber variants, powders producing high velocities at SAAMI pressures - 500 yards is a long distance. From the time an experienced hunter pulls the trigger to the time he walks the distance to reach the point of impact much time has transpired. There are numerous animals that were wounded but not killed immediately that bled out, and may not have been found as a result Hunter negligence. Every time you pull that trigger you are responsible for a clean kill. That seldom happens at 500 plus yards.
put a 212 or heavier in the 300s and see the difference.. not getting full potential with 180s. 180 is a 7mm weight.
I love the 6.5prc.
Saves my shoulder from my 7mm rem mag.
But on the real big game thev6.5prc may not be big enough.But If still use it.
What gun ate you shoot I g it out of.
Great info voxeo.Thank you.
Me too! It may not be the biggest a, baddest cartridge. It rings my 300 and 525 yard steel plates with similar authority as my 7 Rem Mag.
I wouldn’t hesitate to shoot whitetails out to 700 yards with it.
Its true that there are a lot of rounds that will go faster or hit harder then the PRC or other rounds but it's about efficiency. Your PRC , Creedmore, 7mm-08 , 243 , 308 etc. do it with alot less powder , shorter cases , less recoil , shorter barrels, less noise, less expensive, lighter weight guns . It's about efficiency . That's why they are so popular.
EFFICIENCY
Thanks. I'll just stick with 260 rem.
Cant shoot 140s out of a 260, Remington thought it would be a good idea to put a slow twist barrel in them for lightweight bullets, you'll run out of energy quick.
Nice marketing; I hope Hornady paid you for that promotion. I believe that the 7mm WSM has similar recoil impulse to that of the 6.5 PRC. The 6.5 PRC seems to just be a new marketing with limited resources for Brass just as the Nosler series (i.e. Nosler 22, 26, 28, etc). I have also not seen SAMMI specifications for the 6.5 PRC; I checked today. I will keep watching this cartridge and can always need another excuse to purchase a new rifle.
you cant' hunt with a 10 pound rifle ? ... may i suggest doing some exercise.
you don't hunt rams w/a 10 lb rifle- you'd never be able to scale mountain sides.
I scaled mountains with a 35 pound machine gun with ammo for years with 2 to 3 times that weight on my back. I don't see a problem.
We hunt the enemy with 35 pound machine guns and 25 pound sniper rifles, I don't see a problem. I volunteered to be a machine gunner and still carried my rifle on my back just in case. You can never have enough firepower or ammo is a motto passed down for generations in my family. we haven't missed a war yet. even with bone spurs lol jk
JB - SEMPER FI....
ya if ur a total pus! u act like its gonna kill u lol, ya every lb adds up but come on, most guns are around 6-9lb anyway, so what are u even talkin about, an most long range ultra mags are over 13lb rifles! unless ur hunting with a little underpowered airgun lol, which reminds me, even most high powered airguns sre over 8-10+ lbs bud
I wonder what Steven Rinella thinks of all this long-range hunting BS?
Fuck em
6.5 creed is a target round, that happens to work well for hunting purposes. The PRC is great, but please understand it isn't a new idea, compare it to the .264 win mag developed 59yrs ago! The PRC is designed to sale guns nothing more nothing less.
Or the 6.5-06 or 6.5X284 etcetc...
26" minimum length barrel required for the .264 win mag, and it's going to tear up barrels a LONG time before any of these featured 6.5 cartridges.
The 6.5 PRC has a longer neck to handle longer bullets with shorter bearing surface due to longer (sleeker) ogives that shorten the bullet's strait bearing surface. The .264 Win mag requires you to COMPRESS powder loads FOR LONG BULLETS. This can often spike pressures unacceptably.
This means you can use heavier bullets (i.e. longer bullets) for, say, bull elk.in the 6.5 PRC v.s. the .264 Win mag.
@@exothermal.sprocket not true at all. 24in length standard and Winchester sold a 22 inch sport. They never sold a 26 inch. Also they only burn barrels if you keep running shot after shot continuously. They are a hunting rifle not a target. The 264 is better than the others except for the 26 nosler that shoots factory 129gr at 3400 fps. The 264 factory ammo is a little weak at 140gr at almost 3100fps. That's Remington corelokt. Mine doesn't like Winchester ammo for some reason. You can load the same 129gr bullet at around 3250 fps. None of those other rounds will do that. The thing is you have to take a little time between rounds and if you shoot 3 in a row give it time to cool down. Remember, you're not going to get 3 shots at a deer all at one time and if you do, you wont reload and go right back at it and if you do you're foolish because you have no sense shooting at an animal after missing 3. You know you can't kill it clean then stop. You have to be a willing to take that punishment from the 264 and nosler 26 also. They kick like a mule.
@@sonsofliberty3081 What I meant by "26" minimum length barrel required for the .264 win mag" is because of the design and capacity of the case, the fact it's a very over-bored cartridge and burns a lot of powder. If you want the benefits of .264 Win Mag you should be running the longest barrel possible, at least 26" to achieve the velocity the cartridge was really designed for. Again, barrel life isn't what it's known for.
I had a .220 Swift 26" at one point. Impressive for .22cal but of course on the bleeding edge of maximum overkill, short barrel life, and powders that allowed it to utilize case capacity in a longer barrel.
I’m stunned at how many cartridges are left by the wayside in these kind of videos. Does anybody read anymore? What’s wrong with the .270 A.I.? How about the .280 A.I.? How about the 260 Rem? 7mm-08? 30-06 A.I.? 7mm Mag? 7x61 Sharpe and Hart? 6.5-284 Norma? 257 Roberts? Please folks, understand that the new Hornady cartridges might be cute but they are in no way forging new ground in cartridge development. The only thing that’s different is that gun manufacturers are finally offering rifles with twists that can handle the heavier bullets for longer range plinking. That’s it. The .264 caliber rounds just happen to get first consideration in this new twist “twist” cuz some were short action, had lower recoil and readily available bullet choices for the discipline. Get ready, in five years expect the same theatrics in the .277’s, 25 calibers and 6mm’s when everyone will be switching again. Why? Better performance due to sectional density, b.c.’s and flexibility in application.
Michael Shuey you are so rite... the 270 is my all time favorite best imo all around cartridge
they are not made by hornady or hip and new
You keep saying caliber referring to the creedmore. It's cartridge.. your prc and the creedmore share the same caliber despite being different cartridges.
What I have found is that when comparing the 270 ELDX ammo against the 6.5PRC ELDX ammo using Hornady website, is that at 100 yards the velocity and energy numbers are equal. Now at 500 yards Hornady publishes numbers that have the 270 practically as fast as the PRC and the energies very similar. The 270 is running only 100 fps and 100 ft/lbs behind the PRC. Finally using the a 200 yard zero the 270 is within 1.5 inches of the drop for the PRC, which is only one click more adjustment on a MOA scope. I just find it interesting how close they are in performance out to 500 yards.
To all, yes that is really my last name. I’m from the Buckmaster family that first made the 264 Win Mag Improved. At the same time the 6.5-240 Wetherby. I did the development of our 6.5 Dakota over twenty five years ago. Those three model 70 actions, early 1990’s rifles, were highly modified for function and accuracy. All three have 30 inch heart barrels with leads set for different bullets. This cartridge was made to out perform the old 6.5-300 Wetherby Magnum in heavy rifles made in the 1960’s. Those heavy rifles had 32 inch barrels and Unertl scopes. The charts were made using split image Barnes and Stroud range finders. Chronographs weren’t even developed yet. They were designed to and did take game at one mile. To be honest. Even in a heavy rifle with a 30 inch barrel, that cartridge doesn’t have the velocity. Elk are tough. If you don’t put them down, and especially if they get to water, you’ll never find them. Now I’m sorry, but in hunting conditions most people are not accurate enough to put that bullet in his brain pan or through his heart at those distances. You have to take an ethical shot through the vitals at the shoulder or chest. An oblique angle is fine just as long as you have an A frame, a partition type bullet. You have to have at least 1800 foot pounds of energy to do that and put the elk down clean. That medium cartridge can not generate the velocities needed to accomplish that. That cartridge can’t even beat the old 6.5-06. If your going to try and take elk at 5, 6 or 700 yards with a hunting rifle, at the least use a 264 Winchester Magnum. If you know what you’re doing, you can run it at 3500 FPS. Even at 3300 or 3200 FPS, the 264 Win Mag can do it. I know there are people who can build the rifles, developed the loads and make kills at those ranges. Most people can’t with a hunting rifle. To be honest, I wouldn’t even try without one of the custom rifles. Make a clean kill and enjoy yourself.
Nosler has a 26 cal out now and it's the first thing I've ever seen that could shoot faster than the 264. I have a rem model 700 from 1968 and it still shoots true. My pap bought it new and died in 88 willing it to me and I took several deer with it as well. You just have to use patience and not fire shot after shot. If you are a good shooter you'll only take one when your hunting anyway. He never took more than 3 rds because he said if he didn't get it he didn't deserve it.
Absolutelly agree. Big game is tough. For me 7mm rem mag heavy a minimum for elk.Any thing else even a 243 will do it.Me 338 win mag from rabbits to grizzly and beyond. Kramojo Bell killed over 800 Elephants with a 275 Riggsby (7x57 Mauser) yet it would not be my choice. The one and only big game rifle i had till about 35 years of age was a sporterized 1917 enfield in 30-06. I shot factory amo and till reloading with old speer 165 grs grand slams got me sub moa with a pitted barrel. I had the confidence to aim and take a deer trough his eye . Wery tough built bullets and would shoot trough. Spine decame my aiming point
Just ordered a 6.5 PRC and have been debating selling my .300 wsm, very interesting video.
Remember when Roy Wheatherby came out with his Magnum cartriges. It encouraged a lot of average hunters to shoot game at outrageous ranges. His souped up cartriges could kill game way out yonder just becase they were Magnums. Marksmanship and bullet placement skills were put behind performace. I see a new ultra long range craze whithout the proper skills for it
Lots of Fudds out there buy a range finder and think they can make a long range shot in the field without actually training for it. But the guys like myself who have the actual gear and practice will out shoot these guys all day long even inside 300 yards. We're definitely not the dudes on opening day shooting five shots at a deer. I've honestly only missed one deer since making the switch from a Fudd to a rifleman. So much more confidence in making a shot 500 and in than I used to be making a 200 yard shot.
So you redesigned a 264 win mag....huh?
It’s a short action
Great video
I have been a fan of the 7mag for over 40 years. Moose Elk Whitetail and Mule deer 👍. But even with the 7mag bullet construction and placement is very important!
I have used Speer Sierra Hornady Berger Nosler and Swift.
The best hunting bullet for me is the partition bullet!
Swift Aframe and Nosler 160 gr.
Berger is a fantastic target bullet but I won’t use them again for hunting.
I’m now 68 years old and looking for something with a little less recoil. And really want to try a new modern cartridge. So I am taking a good look at the 6.5 PRC.
I really think it would do well for Elk out to 350 -400
Deer out to 500
But I usually like to get within 200. With something like the 127 LRX
Thanks for letting me Ramble. 😂
I am a little surprised. The PRC, while being a fine caliber, is a bit mediocre when compared with the spirit of your program and one of your primary advertisers. The 26 Nosler is a True Magnum with stunning performance. When paired with the right muzzle break, the recoil is insignificant. At the modest and respectable shooting distances you attempt, the .270, or .280 is within 1” of the PRC’s performance. I know, old technology has no sex appeal, but it sure does kill! Keep up the great work.
Also an excellent choice that we offer the True Magnum Rifle in. Just a little more problematic staying on the target and I despise muzzle breaks.
@@MagnumGlobalMedia so does everyone standing near you.
Barrel life is also a factor. Especially for match shooters. Otherwise everyone would be shooting a 6.5/284
Bullet Placement ( hint recoil IS a factor in this ) & Bullet Construction ( penetration & cavitation ) mean more than Energy Dump myths (like Mr. Brion's arbitrary 1500'#s) ; "KO Power"/"Kinetic Energy" etc. which set arbitrary #s for lethality. And remember a magnumitis flinch ( oh, none of you heroes have ever had that happen ) is worth at least a thousand foot pounds of terminal energy.
Just like a sales man pay someone enough money and they will find the reason why you should buy there product and y the rest of the guns are obsolete the 300 win mag has been around 55 years tells you it's a great caliber I hunt with the 300 win and 300 ultra both r great calibers it puts the smackdown on big game like the hammer of thor so keep trying to push those 6.5 I will stick with my 30s
One gun 300 prc it will do all in all countries and most commotions will stop you any bigger than a 300 and will allow a 300 prc
It has never been about velocity, energy, or what caliber you are shooting it is and always has been about shot placement period saying the 6.5 CM stops killing elk at 500 ir really silly, lets keep this real it is in the end the shooter his work ethic and his ability to read and dope his target remember Jack O'Connor he killed everything in North America with a 270 and 130 grain poorly constructed bullets, lets concentrate on keeping our shots to their ability with whatever gun we shoot...
there are videos here on youtube where a giant elk was taken with a 6.5 Creedmoor at over 700 yards. It had a exit wound the size of a basketball. there was no ribs left. I have no problem hunting anything with my 6.5CM
hornady is dissing the 6.5CM just to sell the magnum version of it. tho its a good round it doesn't mean the CM works less than it did last year. they shouldn't lie about the 6.5CM just to try to sell you an upgrade. if you already have a 6.5CM to hunt with, this round is totally unnecessary. If you want to shoot benchrest it may give you an tiny edge. If you are going to shoot a animal at over 1000 yards good luck with that anyway. I wouldn't try it unless it is a yote or varmint.
JB they edited out all the misses and all the animals they wounded with it and they only show you the good parts. This goes for any round, not just the 6.5. Good day and god bless you.
For all the dope reading longrange calcs etc there is one fundamental that can never be solved flight time and its relationship yo live mobile quarry. All the calcs in the world do you no good when you have released and during flight the animal moves.
Guide504 time that could be spent walking or climbing a little closer ha ha
I see what you’re saying but any one can read tables!
I still like what Nathan Foster of New Zealand says in regards to elk. It’s about pay load. And 6.5’s really need high speed to kill.
Personally I’d rather be on the upper end of elk medicine, rather than the lower end. Heavier bullet weight and larger cal’s do make a difference!
I’d still stay either 300 mags.
Ever a hot loaded 06, in a longer barrel, to me, is better than any 6.5 when it comes to elk.
Sadly though a great rifle package, what we are seeing here is a talking down of what you may already have and a great desire to sell you something.
I’ll stick with sporterized 24” barreled war time Mauser 06 that shoots 3/4” -Thanks
James, very knowable and informative video. I recently purchased a Bergara B14 HMR Wilderness 6.5 PRC and truly enjoy this rifle. The issue as of today is that ammo is very difficult to purchase. Blue skies & shoot straight. Jg
The Germans made 6.5x65 RWS and 6.5x68 ages ago
Nothing wrong with new ideas . There's a huge collective of old and new cartridges that from a practical field perspective will get the task done if the hunter is skilled with the rifle in hand .
7mm Mag and 300 WIN or WBY Mag is the "Bomb" for LRH...ANYTHING 6.5 is Manbun
Another 6.5 hype bullshit bla bla!!! It’s not ethical!!! Damn
Just shot a cow elk @ 580yds in the head and dropped like a sack of potatoes. 6.5 PRC 147 match is a dandy
The 6.5 Creedmore was never designed to be a long range hunting cartridge!
True that caliber was for design for target
The 30/06 was never designed to be a hunting cartridge period! So what’s your point?
@@patrickgallagher4344 I never said it was! But I have owned a .30-06 and I know for a fact that it will drop anything you shoot at inside of a 1000 yds although I would never make that shot myself, my step-father made the shot and dropped a Mule Deer Doe, too risky with that heavy and slow of a cartridge but give me a 7MM Mag or a .300WM and were good!
bit confused bit scared found this in someones sleep playlist
Dude is pretty monotone... lol
Only good for 500 or 600 to take game paper much farther gotta look at energy at distance your bullet needs energy to expand and penatrate I'd rather one of the 7mm's
this stupid argument,is like saying what can a 9mm do that a .380 cant? or a 45 acp that a 40 cant. or a 357 that a 44 cant? who cares people just want to shoot different things
And I'm sure the PRC round is going to be as easy to find as a rocking horse's dick, I bet even reloading components are going to be a nightmare to find
"Long range hunting...."
Beyond around 400 yards is not hunting.
This is bullshit, you are trying to up your sales with all these new calibers. There are more than enough calibers to choose from. A couple of years you promoted the older calibers, now they are not good enough any more. An ethical hunter shouldn't shoot further than 400 meters.
7 Saum is hard to beat. Especially in a Medium length action like the XM that Defiance Machine makes.
If that came out today, you couldn't keep them on the shelf.
The saum is great
It is…find bullets or brass for it though! I burn through at least two 7saum barrels a year on average…haven’t pulled a trigger on a 7saum since COVID…they simply stopped making brass for it in favor of others…I can feed 6.5 prc all day long though….7saum is far superior to most cartridges…but it may be a COVID death
@@mikegrendel9126 haha keep believing that…7saum is a custom build with no support…your average hunter, no matter how extreme is not going to buy a rifle he can’t get bullets for..reloading or factory, it ain’t happening brother…try and find some 7saum brass real quick
@@chuckatley1464 I have 300 saum
Factory remington.
The only reason I didn't buy a 7 was that I already had a 7 rem mag when they came out.
Sorry but shooting elk or deer with a 6.5 prc at 800 yards is unethical.
Looking forward to trying the 6.5 PRC.
It's is awesome have 3 guns in 6.5prc
Where I live in the NW and starting out hunting in the late 1950's up into the 1960's the most common were 30-30 , .270 win and 30-06 for deer, elk and bear .. Over 50 years I have found the .270 hard to beat except elk at beyond 300.. I hunted with two old timers who used 6.5mmX55 mm and that ctg was an eye opener for flat shooting and very accurate for taking game every year.. People said why use a 6.5mm that's used in Europe ? Took years for hunters to take a second look at the 6.5mm.. Myself I just do not hunt or take shots beyond 400 yards at game. . Well said but I do not agree Elk at 800 yards should be taken as its really a narrow margin in the hunting field for something to go wrong no matter the ctg used..
Norman Mallory - I just don’t understand shots at game over 400 yards. If you want to shoot long go to a range. I almost got punched once at a game checkpoint. Some loudmouth was bragging about shooting his buck at some ridiculous range. I told him I wouldn’t be bragging about being such a bad hunter I couldn’t get closer than half a county away.
not a magnum that's still like a magnum, it's a sweet-spot! 😋
U guys r way to much into this marketing hype bullshit!!!
What about 7mm PRC? I could not find a video about the 7?
The 6.5 Creedmoor is just the flavor of the month as is the 6.5 PRC.They just want you to buy another rifle.
I like new rifles.
Nice.
Perfect for target shooting and for coyotes and smaller game animals.
6.5 caliber is not a ethical bullet for Antelope, deer, elk, etc....
Bill Peirce thats an opinion that is faulty, there have been plenty of deer killed with a 243 and elk for that matter. Those super 50 cal killing hypersonic recoiling machines aren’t for everyone. Some people are just more confident in there shooting and don’t have a complex. Btw I use the 6.5 and the 300 win and the 7mm well I use the 6.5 and don’t the other 2 anymore. Guess I just grew up?
Personally the worst problem I see with unethical hunters isn't poor caliber choice it's people that wont hunt at least a mile at bare minimum away from their truck and preferably 3-4 miles away. To me if you're not hunting on foot and hauling your kills out on foot with the pack on your back you're just a lazy piece of crap whose slob hunting. But the worst of these lazy pieces of trash are the ones who don't even get out of the truck they drive down forestry roads occasionally parking and glassing while hoping they can spot and shoot something from the truck the then use the truck to haul it out its just laziness.
Long range hunters are using 208/210 grain bullets in the 300 wm. This pushes it's capabilities much farther out than the 180 grain. I use a 6.5 saum and 300 win mag. My 6.5 is loaded light to 6.5 prc velocities. (3050) and my 300 is loaded to 2950 with 208eldm. Do the math on that at long range.The 300 is my elk gun the saum is my deer gun
i think i saw you on LRSU milk jug challenge?
paul watson
Yes the 1500 yard using the 6.5 saum
I messed up on my calc
I had a couple of profiles for different loads.
Clicked the wrong load without realizing it putting my first few shots way low. Doh!
The 6.5 prc is an awesome round.
If I wasn't already so invested in the saum I'd be building one.
It's an excellent choice for Target and hunting
paul watson
And this video is right about recoil.
The recoil is like nothing compared to the 300
That's an awesome combination for long range elk! I used the lighter .300's to help my trusty .300 wm balance out the trajectory vs energy. It just drops more than I liked for this comparison, being one of killing mountain critters in the 400-600 range with Elk at the very outside of the size. 300 wins at over 1000 yards all day long. Your selection is for longer shooting that I do.
ERROLD TULEY , this fool @ true MAGNUMS has no clue what he's talking about. First to compare a 6.5 - 143gr to a 180gr - .30 cal wasn't even close. Why didn't he chose a .30 cal with a BC comparable to the 6.5 ????
Personally I'd like to see him put his 6.5prc up against my
.300 WIN MAG, spitting a 175gr Barnes LRX @ 3,187 fps, on a Moose @ 500 yds & see which one drops that animal first, front shoulder into boiler room shot, or even straight up boiler room shot, bet ya that .30 cal hits him like a freight train while that little 6.5mm is more like a VS Bug.
There are so many cartridges that are the same if not better.
6.5-06
6.5-06ai
6.5-284
260 rem
206 rem ai
6.5 saum
6.5 sweede
Just to name a few are all better than the prc it’s all marketing.
My Swede chucks a 140gr. Nosler Partition out of a 22" tikka barrel at 2730 fps. The rifle is an absolute hammer.
I keep all my shots to 350 yards absolutely max. I'll shoot .45-.75 of an inch all day if I do my part @ 100 yards. Dont need some expensive rifle with a new innovative cartridge to drop Deer, Elk or even Black Bear.
The Swede is over 120 years old, and it still plays with all these new 6.5s (non magnum)
None are better. They're either as good but different, or they're worse. If it won't shoot the same projectiles at a similar velocity then it's apples to oranges. The direct competitor of the 6.5 PRC is 6.5-284. It's basically a ballistic twin in a short action. If you don't think there's a role for cartridge that performs the same as another but in a shorter yet efficient case, then you must take issue with the 7mm-08 (short-action twin of 7x57mm), .260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmoor (short-action twins of 6.5x55mm Swedish), etc. A short action means a lighter, shorter, handier rifle. 6.5 Creedmoor has a short enough overall length to load long bullets and still work in a .308 Win magazine. The 6.5 PRC does not, but if you're not trying to fit into such a magazine then you're good to go. If you look at the charts, you'll see that 6.5 PRC and 6.5-284 have probably the best accuracy for the amount of recoil available in long range shooting. Better external ballistics than much heavier recoiling magnums like 7mm Rem Mag. (Marginally) less wind deflection than even .28 Nosler. Way, way, better external ballistics than .300 Win Mag, and all with muzzle energy and recoil no greater than .308 Win. The 6.5-284 has proven itself, and the 6.5 PRC is essentially the same thing in a shorter action. That's a big advantage for most people, and means it will fit in many actions that 6.5-284 will not.
The only way a cartridge in the same caliber is worse is if it's less efficient, requires a longer action, is rimmed (a general disadvantage, but not for every rifle), or isn't a good match for the most desirable bullets at the velocity it's shooting. What you see with the older cartridges that can shoot the same bullets at the same velocities is less efficiency, meaning more recoil, more powder, and more noise for the same velocity, an unnecessarily long case requiring a longer action on the rifle (increasing weight and length, which in the case of these long-range rifles is already considerable). 6.5 Creedmoor is great because you can shoot it with high-BC bullets out of an AR. 6.5x55mm or .260 might work as well for you in a bolt-action ballistically, or even (very) slightly better, but since all the AR guys are buying 6.5 Creed, and that's what the manufacturers are loading, you have economies of scale and factory ammo is more available and much less expensive. That's a big advantage as even those who handload often shoot at venues where handloads are not permitted, like in training classes and competitions.
@@Paelorian The whole reason this cartridge was designed was to appeal to long range hunters, which in my opinion is garbage.
What is the reason to shoot an Elk at 700 yards? There is none. You can talk ballistics all day and while it is a handy little flyer, paper is the only thing it should punch at distance. The only advantage it has over my Swede is it carries energy farther. At 100, 200 or even 300 I could replicate the accuracy this cartridge offers, as velocity isnt always the key to accuracy.
Being a short action doesnt appeal to everyone, nor does it offer much advantage over a standard action.
6.5 is too small. That's what she said
Would this caliber be different today?
Well gettin one…dude said it was bomb 💣
I'll take a 6.5x284 Norma any day over this new PRC. And I have Lapua brass and a cartridge that wins 1000 yard matches. Enough said.
Amen brother!
Yep! Been shooting a 6/5 284 for 20 years and now there is a new hot 6.5 .....the prc really just a remarketed 284.
I would take the 6.5prc any day...
Long range “hunting “. Isn’t hunting
The hornady eld x bullet is not a hunting bullet its more of a match bullet that has a light jacket boat tail bullet that will not penetrate deep enough on elk at long ranges
The x in eld-x stands for expanding. The eld-m is not a hunting bullet. the eld-x according to Hornady is meant for hunting.
I know what hornady says but the eld x is still has a very thin jacket bullet it may expand but the thing is how much
It expands all right BUT frags within a couple inches NO PENETRATION, I know I shot a 347 pound Ontario black bear with one that the guide had to shoot , upon inspection we found that the bullet turned into pepper flakes - & that was with a broadside shot that only hit one rib @ 206 rangefinder yards.
None of the extreme long range bullets are super penetration bullets. They're not tough bullets. Look at Bergers for example. They're constructed just like a target bullet, because that's essentially what they are. I prefer to have a good tough bullet that won't blow up and fail to do it's job.
With the exception of the Federal Trophy Bonded TLR and Barnes LRX bullets, which seems interesting to me. Hasn't Barnes bullets gotten a reputation over the years for being a poor choice for longer range hunting because of bullets failing to expand? Lots of stories out there regarding a Barnes bullet just penciling through with little energy deposited. I think the Hornady ELD-X bullets are good, they're kinda like a long range tipped Interlock bullet, nothing more. Definitely a better choice than paper thin-jacketed Bergers. Some people have had success with the Bergers, but I personally won't roll the dice on such a weak bullet that is really just a target bullet.
I thought the 6.5 PRC is the latest and greatest? I shoot a 260 Rem 140 grain Berger’s 2990 FPS. Hodgdon 4350 powder. And your saying the all new 6.5 PRC shoots a 140 grain at 2950 FPS from the superformance line of powder. Thanks for clearing this up.
Your handload I'm sure is max. The point is the commercial 6.5 prc is maybe the same as what you are claiming...which is up for debate. And the commercial loads are not at max so if you wanted to you could launch a 140 out of the prc much faster...if you wanted to. So why do I need to handload if I can just buy it. Thats the reason I sold my 6.5x55s and I'm a prc guy now.
@@Manbunmen65 I’m about 1.5 grains from max. I do have a 27” Krieger Barrel with 5R Rifling. I thought about turning my 260 Rem into the 260 Terminator but I don’t want to mess with the accuracy. It blows the shoulder out to 35 degrees. The 260 Terminator is getting around that 3030ish FPS from a 24” barrel and Reloader 26 if I remember correctly. I just feel if I need more gun I’ll use my 7 Rem Mag.
Very interesting.
400 yd , a chip shot, really!
You do realize you were comparing a 143 grain to a 180grain. But I would have loved to hear the felt recoil comparison. You almost sold me on that one.
Well... when you analyze it that way it sounds like 7mm rem mag would work perfect.
Roughly a perfect match for 7mm rem mag but with 308 recoil.
I calculate 1490 ft lbs at 675 yards with 143 eldx with .623 G1BC in 6.5 PRC at 3150 fps. If we’re saying 1500 of lbs of energy for elk, what are you using to get the 1500 lbs of energy at 800 yards? I’m only seeing 1090 ft lbs at 1000 yards using ballistics programming. Would love to know what your using to get the energy numbers your quoting from the PRC?
So when are we going to see this ammo in stores ?
i see the 6.5 prc ammo in sportsman warehouse plus unprime brass in the same store
It is
Bass pro had it I got ,6boxes last week.
Nice I will take a look 👀
I've seen boxes of ammo on cabelas shelves
I really don't understand why you wouldn't just go with a 300 prc. It out performs the 6.5 prc. It still shoots heavy for caliber bullets with high ballistic coefficients and doesn't kick bad if equipped with a muzzle brake. I have a christensen arms ridgeline that is light, easy to shoot and has the ability to fling big 30 cal bullets with enough energy to kill an elk at 1,000+ yards. Is your logic simply that you don't NEED that much rifle? Personlly, I would rather have and not need than need and not have if you know what I mean.
OK, what does it kill deader than dead? .30-06, .308, 270 Win, 280 Rem all are good for anything the 6.5 PRC will handle. I've always been interested in building a 6.5mmX.308 rifle to get the huge sectional density and ballistic co-efficient, but I have no illusions it would be "World-changing". The .277/.308 Wildcat and 7mm/.308 are practically the same. Proper hunting bullets in heavier weights with good ballistic shapes have always been a problem for 6.5mm, otherwise, the Swedish 6.5X54MM is the answer to the question. I'd like a Ruger M-77V short action with a 26" target barrel and a Luepold 3X9 46mm scope, but there are lots of good rifles and scopes out-there.
Lost me on this one. Not comparing apples to apples. Of course the 6.5 will look good when you cripple the 300 win mag with a bullet with a lesser BC. Run the 300 win with a bullet with similar BC like a 210 VLD or a 212 eld-X and see what you get. Id agree this would probably be a bit excessive for deer, but if you want to kill large game like moose out beyond 500yards the 300 win with the right bullets is a far better choice, as is the 7mm rem mag with 162-180 class bullets.
As a side note I do believe 1200ft lbs from a 300 kills better than 1200ft lbs from a 6.5 but my shoulder likes the 6.5
The 280 AI is superior in every way to any 6.5. It has superior ballistics, a wider array of bullet weights and types and a similar recoil for similar bullet weights. It's no contest.
6.5 is cute. Screw ballisitic coefficient, 7mm magnum made a 3,550 yrd shot
I work in the hunting industry and for an international hunting travel agency and I do a lot of hunting trips and I would never recommend a client to use a 6,5mm caliber or use ist for myself for big game over the size of small to medium wild boar. It is too small of a caliber in diameter and leaves no room for error. 6,5 and 7mm cartridges lead our blood trailing and search statistics by far. Some big hunting areas in eastern Europe even forbid the use of them. If you hit the vitals no problem, but if you hit stomach or intestines, what happens with clients all the time, it will be a difficult search with the dogs with very little blood signs. Over 8mm or with.338 you have much bigger chances to find the animal of something goes wrong.
Good review BUT you didn't talk about the 270 WSM. The main difference is the recoil and wind drift. I have a 270 WSM, a 300 WSM , and a 6.5 PRC. Each has its place. Shoot the 270 the most