Feuling Hydraulic Chain Tensioner Conversion for H-D Twin Cam
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- If you’ve got a Harley Twin Cam 88 and haven’t ditched your mechanical chain tensioners yet, then this video is for you! Those mechanical tensioners are a ticking time bomb just waiting to grenade in your motor. 🧨🧨🧨
In this video we'll take a look at the old mechanical tensioner setup, and review the benefits of the Feuling hydraulic conversion kit. We'll also talk a bit about what involved in doing the job. So check it out!
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Harley should have a RECALL on them 🤙🇺🇸
I upgraded my cam chest on my carbureted TC-88 02 Electra Glide. I went with the Feuling cam chest kit including high capacity oil pump. I also upgraded the cams to S&S 510’s. I am very happy with the overall performance. The old girl woke up after this upgrade. The sound of the lope is old-school fantastic. On a side note…. My tensioner shoes looked exactly like the stock ones in this video at 36k miles. Also my bike was in spec for gear drives, but at the end of the day, I went back to hydraulic tensioners since the new shoe technology will give me many more years of enjoyment.
Doing the same to my 06 Street Glide carbureted engine right now. Fueling chest kit and s&s 509 cams!
Excellent explanation! I'm glad I came across your channel, I see many videos I will soon be watching
Great content, I've been concerned about this for some time. I feel so much more informed now. Thank you. New sub.
Thanks Shep, I learned more on this issue from you, for example there are two chains and two tensioners. Those chains are called HY-Vo and are quieter in use than other chains. Land Rovers went to Hy-Vos in their transfer cases for quieteness. Honda use Hy-Vo typically for cam chains. A bicycle type chains is a Simplex chain.
Very informative. I am about to do this on my 103. Thank you.
Just had that kit put in mine. Probably had another 25k miles left on my stock ones as they didn't look bad but now I've got a little peace of mind.
How much did the job cost you ? Thanks
Was lucky that my 2000 FLSTC didn't have a cam tensioner failure even with 50k miles on them. I just did the cam chest upgrade with Feuling camplate, hydraulic tensioners, oil pump, lifters and S&S509 cams. No problems and very happy with the Feuling parts and the S&S cams.
@@john0270 Nope my mom didn't raise a fool.
I have an 06 fxbi, had the first hydraulic tensioners. Was replaced with Feuling cam plate and oil pump, and 140,000km later...the OEM stock tensioner pads were at 50%. Front and rear, identically worn. Highly HIGHLY recommend feulings set up. Wish I could post the tensioner pads for you all to see...very impressed.
Glad I read this comment. Im about to open my cam chest and I keep seeing people say the 96" was the first, but they only made the 88" in 06.
@@boxcarbro3043 ya 2006 street bob was an 88ci with the hydraulic tensioners...then 2007 all the bikes got them ( and 96ci engines ). But I had feulings hydraulic plates installed at 15K. Def must take a look at the rear pad...that one gets worn faster. Impossible to see unless you pull it apart.
@@sumyonguy Right on. Thanks I got the gasket kit and new shoes yesterday.
great video. best on the subject
The silent chains are actually half of the issue. The chains were a bad design along with the tensioners. Obviously the inner cam bearings are junk and the rear outer is crap too. Honestly if someone is gunna convert to hydraulic tensioners. Might as well do a set of conversion cams and use the 96” plate from fueling or S&S and get the benefit of the plain bearing outer journals. Just a thought. Not my bike or money though. Video was very well put together. Nicely done.
Fantastic Video...One of the most informative and clearly explained on YT...I have an 04 RK with 16K and will be doing this exact job, also keeping with the stock cams. I highly suggest not "upgrading" the cams for more power as I personally do not trust the stock crankshaft...Any reason why you went with Feuling over S&S?
Shep tells you in the video that S&S gear drive camplate conversion require a crank runout under 3 thou, they are very sensitive to runout. Also the S&S kit is more expensive
Are you saying that the updated cam plate does not require bearings to be pressed in, like the stock plate?
I checked for the new Fueling Hydraulic replacement Kit is $729.00 plus tax & shipping little over $800 Bucks wow.Ranman
For those who have done the upgrade what was your oil psi before and after? My oil psi is 56psi @ cold start and have to let it warm up before riding and around 28-35 after warm up.
If i did change the cams with this upgrade is there anything else you recommend i change while im in there?
Honda Goldwings never have any issues???
How much is the new hydraulic Cam Tentioner Replacement Kit in 2021???
Have to press orm cams in new plate ?
Great vid. Deciding on when to do this, I’m at 22K miles now, and whether I can do the job myself or hire out. But I’d already decided on the Fueling hydraulic replacement kit. Not sure about changing the cams either. Decisions decisions... love the bike and how it rides now but I guess a little more power and torque would be ok. I’ll look for your other videos on changing out the cam chest. Do you suggest any in particular? Thanks
I recommend to let your local Harley mechanic ( old school mechanic )change them out for you. He or she will have the special tools for it.
In the automotive world that would be considered a recall. Why that never happened, oh ya I forgot it harley so you can take it to the dealer for the thousand dollar upgrade.
Great info. I have a 2014 flhtp 103HO with 28,000 miles when should I be concerned to do the swap?
Only fr 99-06 88 tc has those issues
I want to know how to fix it after the tensioner shits itself.
I have a 2000 RK TC 88. I've been shopping for cam chest kits from S&S and Fueling. Can you tell me why they don't include a new chain? From what I've read, the rough edges on the stock chain is what causes the wear on the tensioner shoes. Thanks.
Feuling kit comes with new chains.
@@IronAnchorCycles it appears to be a 2 part conversion ? The cam plate kit which includes the cams, and the hydraulic conversion kit, correct? S&S doesn’t appear to offer the hydraulic conversion as a kit, so do people mix and match ( the cam plate w/cams from S&S, and the hydraulic tensioner kit from fueling? Or would you advise to just go all fueling ? Thanks.
@@wb4514 Depends on what you want to do. If you want to reuse your cams, then you get a hydraulic plate that works with the old style cams - down side is you will still have an old style secondary chain (although with a hydraulic tensioner) because it has to match the sprockets on the OE cams. You will also need to use a puller to get the cams out of the old plate, and a press & special tool to press the cams and their bearings into the new plate. OR - the much better solution - get "Conversion Cams" from Feuling with the kit - they have the old style inside end that goes into the case bearings, but everything else is updated. What that means is that you will run a new style hydraulic plate where the cams just ride in it (no bearings/races to pull/press) AND you will have a new style secondary chain in addition to the outside primary chain.
@@IronAnchorCycles I’ve been studying the Fueling website and I think I have it narrowed down to the 525 kit sku7220. Thank You for your time. Where is your shop located ?
Fueling does come with different chain and fuel pump
What is a shops labor time to install the hydraulic system? Just an estimate?
Harley Davidson should be held liable for this flaw !
$800.00 for a gear cam set ,without labor ,then oil pump damage !
Harley sold us a pile of crap
I agree Harley sold us crap and should have done a recall Fueling Hydraulic replacement is $800.00 by the time you pay to have it installed $1500.00 if you're lucky. Ranman
You’re looking at around $1800 - $2200 depending on if the bike is fuel injected or carbureted.
My bike is a carbureted 2002 Electra Glide (FLHT). I had my cam chest rebuilt at 36k miles last December by a local Indy shop who does this kind of work all the time. Per the shops recommendation, I had them use the Feuling hydraulic tensioner cam kit with upgraded oil pump and also went with S&S 510 cams. We kept the stock rods, but I did upgrade to the Feuling tappets. I also had the guys rebuild my stock carburetor with high performance jets. If I remember correctly, I paid right at $1800 (including the tax) out the door. No tuning was required on my carbureted bike. I can say that this was the best money spent on an upgrade. My TC-88 engine runs like new now and cruising backroads and highways is a pure joy. Especially riding two-up. I have all the power I need and I see no reason to buy a new Harley. On a side note, I also own and frequently ride a Honda GoldWing GL1800 so I can switch between the best of both worlds.
I have a couple of very short videos of my bikes that I took trying out a GoPro camera for the first time. Nothing special there, just a glimpse of my bikes
@@randallbarger5319 … correct. Add another $300 - $400 for new cams if one wants to upgrade while in there.
Is it true that the hydraulic set up last 50-60k miles?
At least - they last a long time...
yak yak yak. get to it
What happens if you install the gear drive and the runout on the pinion shaft increases?
a bunch of stuff 'happens' and none of them are good. Cam chest will probably crack, oil pump won't work right if it works at all. Some guys weld the crank pin but that's a whole different convo. Ride Safe Everybody
@@lynskyrd hey brother, cool handle you got there! Love that music!
25,000 miles on mine, outer tensioner half worn away. WTF harley. Im installing the feuling chain conversion upgrade cam plate. Whole complete kit. Lotta work for a 63 year old man who works 12 hour days but it'll be woth it. Mine Is a 2003 dyna all stock(except pipes n air cleaner). FU harley chisslers
How many miles are on this bike?
You'd think they would tell you important info like this. It should be common sense. I'm wondering the mileage as well.
Inspect at 30k
It’s not plastic ! It’s ceramic
This Harley chain tensioner is the worse design ever.
If Harley would have installed a better crankshaft cam gears could have been used. No, Harley pressed the crankshaft together
and installed the junkie plastic tensioner , lol, I call it Harley junk.
Highly exaggerated. Ticking time bomb. Low compression motor.low oil pressure motor. Oil pump has a screen. Hydraulic parts are good but still not bullet proof.
3000.00 upgrade parts and labor.
Far as I'm concerned the upgrade kits are way overpriced. Your comment about a "ticking time bomb" is not accurate, as long as you inspect them every 10,000 miles and replace the shoes when necessary your good to go.