Just a question about insurance premiums. Why is it that insurance companies will give you a better rate if you're motorcycle is kept in a "locked brick structure" (garage) but not for a locked metal structure (shipping container)? Most shipping containers have much better door locks than the flimsy up & over metal garage doors have.
Good question. While I'd love to give you an immediate answer, it's something I'm working on to find out what is considered 'garaged', including sheds and shipping containers. It could be down to location of the unit, but keep an eye on bikesocial.co.uk as I am working on it. John
It took a while, but, thanks to your comment, I did some digging. From that, one of our specialists spoke to all the underwriters that Bennetts works with, and now all locked metal sheds, shipping containers and wooden sheds on a concrete base - as long as they're on your property - are classed as garages. I did a video about it, but only just managed to find your comment to thank you! Cheers, John th-cam.com/video/FUuHoApdxS0/w-d-xo.html
As a retired Security Systems engineer, I can confirm that a loud alarm is useful. The public say no one takes any notice. This is pretty accurate. But the thief does not want to draw attention to himself. He doesn't know who is nearby !. It could be the owner and six of his mates !!
people steal shit for two reasons: 1. it is easier to steal than work or find a job. 2. punishment is not strong enough. i never take my keys out of ignition and my bike is mostly parked on public property or if it is raining/snowing i never closed the door of the garage. and yes i live on earth and my income is average or less
@@palamidagheo4520 Punishment has NEVER in history EVER been a deterrent. The only solution to crime is to solve the societal issues which cause people to commit crime - you said it yourself, finding a job. For some people it's very hard. It should not be. By your own logic if it wasn't for punishment you'd be out stealing stuff, right? I mean, you said it's easier than finding work.
I use an oxford alarm disc lock on the front disc, a chain through the front wheel either side of the forks, a Kryptonite chain with integral lock through the rear wheel secured to a ground anchor and the bike is covered too. I also have a PIR security light on the wall that will trigger before you get to the bike and CCTV! It may seem like a lot for an old Fazer that’s probably only worth about £500 but I don’t care. It’s my bike and the buggers ain’t getting it! 😃
Finally, a video that actually offers some advice, reassurance and is backed up with some data. So many videos are just depressing to watch because they focus on how easy locks are to break. Sure, nothing is perfect for preventing theft but it is good to know that even some basic security is going to reduce the risk. Great video!
I haven't had any HUGE issues with this lock yet! th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfyHDlEqk6hqu9acdvK5NGzZsGKSokSbv It seems sturdy and like it will get the job done. I really like that it has a twisting lock feature to keep out dirt and debris. However, the mounting system is much too light for the lock, and continues to get loose/move around. It's mostly made of plastic parts, and I've had to tighten it a few times in the past week or so that I've had it. I'm worried that it's going to break off at some point while I'm riding. I'm considering just scrapping that part, but that would mean having to carry the heavy lock i my backpack and adding more weight. I wish I could have given this more stars, but without the mounting system, it's just another heavy lock that I have to cart around. UPDATE: Increased rating to 5 stars because the seller offered to provide a new lock and mounting system. Really appreciate the attention to customer service!!
I use a disc lock on the front and another on the rear and positioned so the bike wouldn't move more than an inch back or forward, so a thief would have to lift it. Both locks were alarmed. Basically, you want your bike to be more of a pain in the arse to nick than the next one.
Abus alarm lock. I prefer alarm locks also as they don’t drain your main battery and those that sense angle, (like mine) can feel any manipulation of the bike or lock
I did the same thing whilst at work, thinking i was safe, then one day two guys in a white van pulled up and lifted it into the back and drove off, gone within 2 minutes whilst watching the cctv, use a chain and anchor it, best advice you can get, 2 expensive alarmed disc locks completely useless if they can lift the bike off the ground
I've only used this once to sharpen my mower blade th-cam.com/users/postUgkxPDBfLu68o58Aw85O_J-zIFfjJARBhp-3 but so far very happy with it. I've never used one of these so took me a bit to figure out how to set it up but once I figured it out it did the job just fine. This is likely a single purpose tool for me to use on my mower blade and possibly the occasional axe sharpening so didn't see any need to spend a lot....this will do just fine!
My dream day: to be able to run into the thieves while there are at it, and for me to be able to leave their hands in such condition that they’ll never be able to steal anything ever again.
The U shaped kryptonite lock save my 600 ninja from being stolen 5 times back in 1986. You can't attack what you don't see. Always use more than one lock.
I get called over protective for wanting to protect my bike. I use an abus chain, 2 oxford 16mm disc locks one on the front disc and one on the rear sprocket, throttle lock, cover and a gps inside. I think its because i had a pit bike stolen from my house when i was 9.
Know the feeling Dan as I too had a push bike stolen , got it back , but its such an awful feeling I have never forgotten it. Even if I am going to our local bikers Cafe I try and park so I can see it.
I've been commuting in London for over 6 years now in various locations including Soho and never had a bike stolen. I just used 2 16mm (virtually impossible to crop) mini D locks such as the Oxford nemesis one for the front disc and one for the rear. I carried a pragmasis 13mm chain for a bit but options of anchoring are very limited so ditched it in the end. Most thieves don't use vans in London anyways. I'm sure things may have been different if I was riding a brand new R1 but as a commuter this combo has done me well.
The abus 8077 disc lock saved my street triple RS. Although the thieves did manage to bend the disc before I could chase them away. The lock broke (or rather as soon as I unlocked it after they had attacked it, it never worked properly again) and I have swapped it to the abus 8008 x plus
I work at a busy store and commute on my bike. Now in Northern Ontario Canada (not Toronto) we don't get a lot of motorcycle thrift but I did buy a bike on credit and would like to pay it off before losing it to a thief. I like the cover and multi lock ideas. Thank you for the video.
I haven't ridden a motorcycle for twenty years, recently bought a triumph bobber and am currently researching the most sensible ways to protect my bike efficiently. It only took me a few hours of research to realize that you are an invaluable asset to our motorcycle community with your videos. At this point a big thank you for your passionate work!
Unfortunately some people only invest in motorcycle security after the fact, I was one of them. After having my MT-09 stolen I spent £500 in security and it was worth every penny. I went for the Almax Immobiliser 19mm chain with Squire SS65CS Stronghold lock and Pragmasis Protector 16mm chain with RoundLock. All held with a Torc Ground Anchor. Trust me, spend the money on it, don't believe it won't happen to you.
Cracking vid, the real, actual theft data is very useful, thank you. The best advice I was given when entering the biking world was.... If they want your bike, they'll get it. All you can do is make it as difficult as possible for them, to delay them as much as possible to increase the chance of them getting caught red handed. Personally, I use an Abus chain & U lock, an alarmed disc lock and a cover.
I have two expensive pushbikes which I keep under cover in my limited space just outside my house. I've lost count of the number of chains/locks I use on them! Multiple locks/chains are always the best approach. You'd be mad to rely on one single means of security for an expensive m/cycle.
Good practical video, and importantly up to date! Home always feels fine (tracker, CCTV, ground anchor, Pragmasis chain with their lock you featured, a no-name cable lock to stop easy removal of the Oxford Stormsheild cover and a Kryptonite disc lock). It's how to remain safe when parking up somewhere, especially when abroad. Would be great to have a list of hotels with secure bike storage available.
I've had 2 failed attempts in 2 years on my bike. Best lock is to keep anyone from seeing it. Aka, a garage. I doubt led up my security last time. I now have: disk lock, 14mm chain lock, audio shock alarm, silent alarm/gps, and a bike cover. Oh, and me from a 3rd story window and a lo g rifle.
Artago disc lock saved my day despite it been brutalised by a hammer,yes the disc needed replacing as did the lock,but it never gave up & the bike still belonged to me,these days I have two,highly recommended,they're a Spanish company who saved my bacon.
Got my Yamaha nicked with a chain (not the heavy quality chains of this video)... a month ago... Just now insurance came through. More than the money, what hits most is the inconvenience of it all and the realization that someone (ok ok... something) which was so dear to you and was part of your life was snatched away by some low-life sucker... just to be broken down and sold as spares... Can't see myself with a ton of chains, I don't even know how to carry those on a sleek bike. Let me start investing in some (multiple locks) and maybe chain combinations. In any case thanks Bennetts for this informative video!!
I watched this video with great interest. As a recent victim of bike theft (03-08-21), I wanted to find out which locks were best. I was always advised to secure my bike to an immovable object (lampost etc). On the above date, my Yamaha XJ600 was stolen from outside my home. It was secured to the lampost by a Oxford heavy chain & Oxford closed shackle lock, it also had a Oxford Titan disc lock. Th disc lock was snapped in two, & the chain was cut in half.
Really sorry to hear that! We've destruction tested a lot of chains and locks, so have a look here: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/how-to-choose-the-best-motorcycle-security
I had a gang try to steal my bike outside my home a few years back. They had a grinder and cut through the 16mm chain that was securing it to a lamp post and the 12mm chain on the front wheel. They failed to steal the bike as their blade got chewed up while trying to grind through the pin on my £20 Oxford disc lock. After all the noise they made cutting the chains the police were called by a neighbor. I think they ran off when they heard them coming.
@@ThePresidentofMarsthe sirens help prevent any further crime I guess, for example if you’re being attacked and they hear the sirens they might stop and flea instead
I don't own a motorcycle or scooter anymore due to health problems but after watching this for just three minutes I had to subscribe for the content and interaction with your subscribers. Thumbs up.
Thank you for this very informative video. I feel foolish for never considering a lock until now but I am thankful I watched this. Honestly, I forget that bike theft is a big thing. Just because I don’t think of stealing someone’s motorcycle doesn’t mean others don’t either- 🤦🏻♂️ Thanks again!
Bike theft is a thing, but don't get panicky that it's a big thing. You're still more likely to NOT have your bike stolen, but if you use security you're far less likely still. Then just get on with enjoying riding! John
My bike has a large chain and lock on the rear which is locked through the racks, and a disk lock on the front but the main deterrent is a steel garage that I designed and built myself.Firstly it is out of sight, then to get into it would take an age as the frame is a mix of 25,50 and 75 mm box section which is a minimum of 3mm wall but the doors and door frame are 5mm wall. Hinges are 16mm pins and huge 10mm lock plates with covers etc and two huge locks. Basically my thinking is that I have made somebody else's property look easier to get into and that's the trick. You basically need to put up a sign that says - 'This is too much bother but the guy down the road's bike is easier to nick!' Sad fact of life but after 28 years in the plod I learned a bit about lowlife behaviour - they don't do it because they are bright or hard working!
I always learn a lot from these Bennett’s clips. Good to see my choice is a tough lock, the trusty Abus Granit 8077 Detecto. My squire chain is used with a Garrison mil-T lock when my bike is locked in my garage. Keep up the good work👌👍
Thanks dude, with your advice on this and your other videos (and Bennetts) I purchased a pragmasis 16mm chain + round lock for my first bike. Wouldn't have even known about them if it weren't for you! Thanks!
I bought a pragmasis round lock, very small, easy to carry and really easy to fit, which makes it more likely i'll use it. For £40 i'm tempted to get a second one and lock both wheels. Would be better if it was a brighter colour and not blend in with the disc
A great lock, and compatible with several of the Pragmasis chains. It's got the same weaknesses as any disc lock in that the disc itself can be cut, but the Round Lock is tough enough to be suitable even for a massive 22mm chain - this thing is really hard to beat. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Is there an equivalent for scooters? I saw your scooter locks video but it's outdated now. It's for a PCX 125 which will live in my hallway at home, but worried about leaving it outside supermarkets/shops. I'm in W Yorks so scoots are quite rare up here compared to London, but still don't want it nicking.
@@wagmiorngmi A D-lock (or U-lock) is a great start still, then use a chain with that too if you can afford it. A cover also makes a huge difference! If you want the absolute toughest D-lock, go for the Hiplok D1000.
@@bennettsbikesocial Thanks Bennett. Yes I will have a chain too, to wrap around something fixed. I thought the comment from someone saying to lock the back wheel was a good one, as the weight makes it very hard to manually lift off the ground to roll on the front wheel. I think I would like a bit silly putting a cover over it for 10 minutes in asda so will skip that, but a rear disk lock + chain should be ample deterrent.
They should develop a mounted front brake cable clamper. When you indicate the bike as stolen, it immediately pulls the cable the next time it reaches speeds of 65 mph or higher. No more thieves.
best advice you can get 6:20 .....lock 2 disc with annoying alrams ..... chain it to a pole ...... cover it to not attract attention.....plus a gps inside hidden so i can see where the hell it is. been doing this all the time so far so good!
I know this is marketing but damn, having a dude that is a legit motorcyclist making this content and actually works for them makes me want to buy some insurance from them lol too bad I'm in the states.. Great content, keep it up!
Ha - yes, we do try to be transparent in that we make content to promote Bennetts and BikeSocial off the back of all this, but the good thing is that it means we're spending a marketing budget, rather than relying on advertisers and sponsorship, so it doesn't matter what I think of any brand... just tell it like it is. Cheers! John
The best security you can get for your bike is a $20 bike cover. Seriously! Just cover it up wherever you park and put locks through the front and rear wheels.
2x oxford heavy duty chains 1x disk alarm 1x oxford boss disk lock 1x vibration/movement alarm 1x moni moto tracker and a cover Good luck stealing and getting away, plus it’s a £1700 bike so no ones trying anyway 😂
Love the content! Thanks for sharing. I've been on a Street Triple RS 2017 for 3 years in and around London extensively, using Pragmasis D lock with Helmet tied to the front wheel, doubled up with Roundlock on the disc. If I know I'm leaving the bike for overnight, I carry cover.
I use Oxford disc lock screamer 7 with chain and lock and I've got bike trac tracker ,the tracker is an absolute life saver and every bike should have one
I found that he best way to prevent Bike theft is if you are going inside shops for any length of time is to leave your Bike outside the shop where there will be the most amount of people traffic locked up against a street sign pole with a hardened chain & security padlock that has a small opening with protected shackles so it can't be jiggered open using pieces of Coke cans on the shackle as well as your disk alarm. The fact that it's in full view of many people is enough to prevent anyone from stealing your Bike.
I have the pragmasis 16mm chain and the dumbbell style round lock you've shown (like because it spins independent to each side making it difficult to angle grind) . I couldn't go any bigger because I wouldn't get it through the wheel. Being a vfr with wheel nuts, I have to thread it through my centre stand and beefy ground anchor. I didn't even think about the lock being a stand alone disc lock too. I also use a D lock for the front but I'm going to use the dumbbell one too when I'm out and about. Great video!
Great video. But let me highlight an important detail about locking a motorcycle, which is where to lock it? Most o bikers they just lock it in the wheel (rear or front) and those can be easily removable. I found it very hard to find a good spot on the frame, which is where should locked. Try to find a spot on the bike frame instead. And last, bike manufactures should design the bike keeping this in mind, to create a nice spot in the motorcycle frame dedicated to security, the lock.
I have a Pragmasis Roundlock, which seemed the best design by far of all the disk locks I looked at. But I've also added some large diameter washers between the body of the lock and the disc. That way an angle grinder can't even get onto the bolt, and the washers just rotate. Hope it works!
Great vlog John, just had a wee spell away from motorcycling due to moving on to a narrow boat! also repairing the later. I now have store my bike in a inclosed area (gate fobed area within a marnia). A few years ago I arrived at Ullapool, no were to laeve my helmet I quickly pop into a hardware store and purchased a cheap 10mm cable lock to go around the helmet chin bar + rear wheel. only £15, but when I returned a hour later the cable had withstood attack, large cut marks but I still had my bike plus Crash helmet! not sure what they were after? but local Police said it happens! ( a case of not being Scotish)!
Thanks Jonathan! Too many people seem to wallow in the scaremongering around motorcycling, either for clicks or just in general, but all that does is put people off enjoying bike ownership! Cheers, John
There'll inevitably be questions along the lines of 'what discount will I get' or 'my insurance didn't go down'. I've explained how underwriters look at motorcycle security - and this applies across the industry - in this article: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/advice/bike-maintenance/best-motorcycle-lock-insurance-discount-facts Also, this was intended to be an introduction to disc locks more than a full test - the 8077 for instance does have the ability to work with a chain as long as it's a noose design (I hadn't finished the full review of the locks when I made this). However, you'll need to use Abus's own chain if you want to maintain the full alarm function.
@@borisj While it'd be easy (and true) to say that there's a lot going on to try and fix many of the things you mention, I would also recommend that if you have anything flag up like this in an online quote, please call up as we can put you through to somebody who can go back to the panel of underwriters to see if they can get a better quote. Sometimes it takes an agent speaking direct to an underwriter -armed with more information they've gained from you - to get a quote. That won't always be the case, and it's true that all brokers are frustrated with some situations; it makes no business sense to price people out of the market. But as I said in the article linked above, underwriting motorcycle insurance is such a small part of those companies business, it can take a long time to improve things. I'm aware that's little help to anybody who's struggling to get a quote, but please do call if you're struggling online. Cheers. John www.bennetts.co.uk/contact-us
@@borisj I was working in Germany last year and shocked at how much cheaper insurance was. But then I found out how different the cover was - nothing like fully comprehensive. I work in editorial, and spent donkey's years working in magazines before this, but now seeing the back-end of insurance it's equally fascinating and frustrating to see how the entire industry works. It's impossible to truly help anyone on channels like this, so all we can ultimately do is ask people to call, then really hope we can help them. Take care, cheers John
Haven't ridden for over 2 years after getting my driving license so my MT-07 has been in hibernation. Recently I bought a Honda Monkey and can't wait to ride again thinking of investing in the Oxford Beast chain set but for the Disclock I used to have an Abus 8077 but it had fallen apart though it did last a few years.
It’s surprising how many bike,s are stolen now , in Perth WA we see on Facebook loads are being stolen ,more security less chance ,,and it all started with those BLOODY battery grinders , you can get 140 db unit dice look or chub lock ,rare but worth the look ???.or GPS tracker with phone alarm alert ,prices aren’t cheep ,but when your paying $16,000 plus it’s. A MUST .stay safe and all bikers should keep and eye out for fellow bikers bikes ,HAPPY EASTER everyone 🤘🤘🤘🤘
8:10 Actually you CAN use the Abus decto 8077 with a chain (sold as a bundle or separate). Of course the chain is made specifically for the lock then. I have both the lock and the chain that goes with it, as well as the floor anchor bolted to the concrete floor in the shed. Good luck loading the shed into a van :P
Yes, sorry! I hoped the pinned comment and the link to the review that pops up during play would flag it, but since TH-cam turned off captioning, it's not easy to flag a mistake. Here's the full review: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/scooter-security-and-disc-locks/abus-granit-detecto-xplus-8077-review
@@bennettsbikesocial Pragmasis 19 or 20mm?, 22mm out of stock at the time. Round lock. Plus two cheap disc locks on the front. Looking for an affordable disc lock alternative for the front now. The Pragmasis chain is a beast!!!! 💪🏻
When using a disc-lock never leave the bike in a position where you can get on it and ride off,trust me,I've done it,always leave the bike in a position where you have to push it backwards or manoeuvre it by hand before you can get on it and ride it,forgetting that disc-lock is a total bummer.
I've done it 3 times, the last time disabled the bike on a tour. I've now solved it with a Roadlok. Not cheap but you cant ride off with it on and its permanently fitted to the bike caliper.
Many years ago I had my bike at a bar drinking with friends (yeah I was that idiot that would ride after drinking ..something I obviously would never do these days !) Anyway the parking lot was sloped so a thief decided to hop on and coast quietly away from the bar where he could hotwire in peace...thing is I had locked the fork lock which dumb thief forgot to check so a witness sees him jump on the bike and try to roll away only to immediately drop the bike and run off all scuffed up. Hard to understand how he failed to realize. Maybe the front was locked in the same direction he wanted to turn taking off idk...wierd Pretty funny afterwards but man was I mad!
I just got the idea off having 2 trackers, one under the seat and just hiding the other one as good as posible. I was thinking it would have Been cool to buy or make a custom muffler with an inbuilt tracker that is in a welded compartment inside the muffler so you achualy had to cut to be able to see it. This should totaly be a thing.
You mentioned that looking at your data for how many people use locks, what about everyone that uses a lock but says they don't use one when signing up? I always say no because it doesn't change the price at all and if you don't use the lock one day for what ever reason and it gets stolen insurance companies will say your not covered.
It's a fair question, though it's not quite that simple regarding what you state is used. However, yes - it does skew the data, but offset against that to some extent will also be the people saying they do use security that isn't on there. Ultimately, it is only intended as a guide in order to show that locking your bike DOES make a difference, despite the misery that social media prefers to portray. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial wow, I wasn't expecting a reply, let alone so quick. I do wonder how much it skews the data though, because every time I renew my insurance if I put on both of my locks on the quote, the price never really changes, so I personally say I don't and quite a few of my friends do the same thing as well as its just a way for certain insurance companies to wiggle out of paying. I'd bet that quite a lot of the data is very much out and skew the data so much that it's of no use in the real world. I do completely understand that your given the data and you'd use that data to come to a conclusion so in no way is it yours or any other insurance companies statistics. Locking a bike definitely does make a huge difference, no doubt about that, anything to stop the idiots from getting something free that we worked hard to get. I'd recommend to create a bigger empathise on putting a disk lock on the rear of the bike as its a lot harder to access with an angle grinder and I've personally had a guy remove my front wheel to wheel it on its back wheel, luckily they didn't get away.
@@benclimo461 TH-cam is awful for keeping track of comments, especially if it auto-holds them for review! Yes, absolutely - the rear wheel is the better option if you can get a lock in there, though of course chaining it to something solid is the best bet. Getting the exact data of what's used, and what was in use during a theft or attempted theft is next to impossible, and even the location of theft can be tricky - it's not something kept in police theft data. Definitely this isn't the most solid set, but seeing the real problem of PTWs not being secured at all (especially in London), and the reduction in theft caused by the Met's Lock, Chain, Cover campaign, using any security will, as you say, make a difference. Trouble is, it's such a challenge getting that message out through the fog of gleeful crime videos posted for clicks. That gang that tried to steal a Panigale in Soho were put away for 20 years in total, but nobody wants to share that; they prefer to keep sharing the video of one of them threatening bystanders with a grinder. The problem I have with that is that it's building the idea that crime is out of control and that it's best not to have a bike. Bike theft has fallen over the last three years. Too many people will jump at the chance to tell you how dangerous motorcycles are, or how if you don't get killed, it'll be stolen anyway; not really the best way to encourage new riders into what can be a brilliantly convenient, relatively cheap (depending what you buy) and thoroughly enjoyable form of transport. Cheers, John Here's the team that took down that Soho crew: th-cam.com/video/a578fDDP-Nc/w-d-xo.html
@@bennettsbikesocial no problem at all! Like you said its impossible to get the proper data, too many variables, too many people that lie to get it cheaper etc. I just don't understand how anyone can even think its a good idea to leave a bike unattended and unlocked let alone in London of all place, is there really that many people that leave there bikes completely unlocked for long periods at a time in places like London?
@@benclimo461 Sadly yes! To many people, a scooter or even a bike is a lot cheaper than a rail season pass. A lot of owners see the steering lock as all they need, and just leave it. It has got better though; according to data from the Motorcycle Crime Reduction Group, in 2019 23,641 PTWs were stolen (11,163 bikes, 12,478 scooters). In 2020 jan to Sept, it was 13,151 (6,855 bikes, 6,296 scooters); that's projected to be around 18,000 by year-end. Still way too many of course, but it is dropping and has been for three years, so it's not just the reduction in people going to the office this year. Recovery rate in 2019 was 49%, but that dropped to 47% in 2020, though of course a lot of bikes stolen are stripped for parts or sent overseas. In 2020, London accounted for 50% of scooter thefts and 65% of motorcycle thefts. It is true that a determined thief can get anything, but they really do go for the easiest targets. Cheers, John
Police may not respond at all. My friend locked his Suzuki 125 with a disk lock in a very busy public city centre bike park. Upon returning to the bike he discovered that someone had stuck something inside the lock barrel, he couldn't unlock it. I came out and tried for about 20 minutes but also failed to unlock it, felt like the lock was full of fine sand, key would turn about 15 degrees and stop with a gritty feeling. I tried blasting it out with air duster and with penetrating oil, no success. His brother then attended with a battery grinder and cut the lock in half. The bike had us "messing with the lock" for a total of maybe 45 minutes. This was all on a sunny saturday afternoon in mid June with hundreds (thousands?) of shoppers walking past. We were never challenged, nobody said anything to us at all.
Good video John. I like the pramasis lock might get one of those. Got a few different ones and a pragmasis chain.. though that’s usually being used to keep something else safer. I can’t help thinking with the big expensive chains it’s probably good business for the thieves just to nick the chain and leave the bike!
Brilliant! There's too much negativity around biking, often from those who ride. No idea why people want to portray a doom and gloom image for something so awesome. Enjoy! John
I love lock picking (locksports shout out to my man lockpicking lawyer), I also used to steal bikes in my youth but now I've grown up and bought my own bike this is terrifying but also brings me enjoyment seeing these videos. Most types of thefts I did was looking up the numbers on the bike itself using a website to get the bits and cutting my own key. If that didn't work I also lifted the accutal bikes into a van. I also used to use angle grinders on disc locks, bolt cutting on those big ol chains and as for GPS tracking you can go under ground enough it often loses signels. My best advice for you lot is use a mixture of things because the more steps the more time it takes. Like try to anqour it to the ground, use a lock with an alarm, use GPS, use a disc lock. Heck there's even covers now days that has alarms and set off if someone tries fiddling with it.
I tell you something Somehow in this ocean of video here you and f9 are the only people I trust for their reviews. And two I trust less are 2 of the biggest UK motorbike clothing shops. Keep the goon and honest work up brother
Get a U-lock that is at least 18mm thick like the Kryptonite fahgettaboudit mini, this lock cannot be removed with a bolt cutter, but the other most important thing is an alarm that can TEXT you when the bike is disturbed so that you can get to it before anything can happen, time is the most critical factor.
In the 80s in the 90s I had a very heavy chain and a lock, the shackle on that lock was thicker than the chain kinda like the thick ones you were showing. I agree the combination of a lock and an alarm helps. I used to have an alarm on mine way before they even started doing it back in the 80s. For the alarm it was a remote control car alarm, I used to install car alarms so I had an extra one, I figured let me try it on the motorcycle. I forgot to mention the chain was 10 ft long and I wrapped it Criss-Cross around my chest, oh yeah that was real heavy I used to chain my bike to telephone poles with a abloy lock ( made in Finland )
My bike was stolen and recovered yesterday night, the thieves dropped it and scattered as soon as they got out of my apartment complex and someone yelled police. One of my locks is the beeping oxford lock almost everyone has and I keep it on my brake disc. They simple cut a chunk out of my brake disc using an angle grinder and didn't even touch the lock... Sadly the other locks weren't a deterrent either and were no match for the angle grinder.
Sorry to hear that! Yes, it is a problem with disc locks. Nothing can be guaranteed to stop any thief, but don't stop locking it - it reduces the chances of it being attacked.
3 disck locks, a U lock and a big chain and padlock when i leave the bike unattended somewhere. None were mega expensive but the approach i've gone for is to make my bike look like a complete pain in the arse to steal. Garaged at home with same locks
you can have the best lock, but the brake disk is the weak point. Tracker indeed brought my bike back. 12 police cars were searching it. Did you check out roadlok already?
Best thing you can do is get the bike off the street, in a garage or inside.. mine are locked this way: Oxford Alpha (110 db alarm) on front disc, 19 mm Almax chain with Abloy 362 padlock on rear wheel .. pragmasis 16 mm chain secure through bike frame, locked with Squire SS65CS Stronghold Padlock with antipinch (chain goes through wall anchor and secured to bike frame) .. Hidden GPS tracker on bike .. yeah I say good luck :)
My advice is to get more than one lock so the thieves know right away it's going to take a long time to cut this one, then this one, then this one, etc.
yea ik the uk they have to be saw disc resistent since people just have handheld ones and people passing by just watch it happen as someone's bike is stolen. and what is a blessing and a curse is the simplicity of a bike. the more easy and luxury you make it the easier you make it for a thief to just unflip your front or back wheel lever and boom, wheels gone or frame depending how you locked it. best bet is locking your bike in a well easy to see place in the open
How about getting the councils in London to give us a railing or D-loop anchor so we can lock bikes to them. So they can't just be lifted off in a van.
who bothers with vans and new serial numbers these days? i mean it's even more dumb than stealing cars.....what the hell you do with it, ship it to africa for profit? hehe...
I have an Arbus granite D lock which I have had for 15 years, and dare I tempt fate but never lost a bike , although some one had tried cutting it at some point whilst on holiday one year
Ha ha ha....I was actually wondering what a beautiful looking bike is in the background...was surprised it's a Grom when you moved it at the end....definitely guessed its custom at the first look
I use my Abus disc lock every day the bike is parked outside work. I don't believe it to be the safest lock by any stretch, but with over 20 unlocked bikes around it I feel that a thief is likely to choose any other bike beside mine.
Exactly right! I'm always amazed when people say they don't bother locking their bikes as there's no point. Though they are handy to park a locked bike next to. John
I still for the life of me do not know why people don’t secure their bikes, doesn’t matter if its a used 2,000 bike or a brand new 20,000 bike, no one wants to see their steed gone and have that empty disgusting feeling in their stomach.
Japan has an alley in one of their big cities that is always filled with motorcycles parked for the day. That one Alley has more than 400 motorcycles stolen a year.. in some cities in Japan, before you can purchase a motorcycle , do you have to prove that you have a place to keep it.. by the way, the motorcycle driving test to get a license to ride is so tough, that only 4 of every 100 applicants pass the test on the first try..
I am picking up a RSV MILLIE 2001 this Thursday and going for x2 (disc lock plus alarm) + pragmasis chain lock combo.. plus considering a tracker unit also .. Thanks for your diligent upload and test examples, really helped making lock choices. Just wish i could add 1000volts to belt through my bike if any 1 touches and not short circuit the electrics 🤣 take that u thieving toerag..
Just a question about insurance premiums. Why is it that insurance companies will give you a better rate if you're motorcycle is kept in a "locked brick structure" (garage) but not for a locked metal structure (shipping container)? Most shipping containers have much better door locks than the flimsy up & over metal garage doors have.
Good question. While I'd love to give you an immediate answer, it's something I'm working on to find out what is considered 'garaged', including sheds and shipping containers. It could be down to location of the unit, but keep an eye on bikesocial.co.uk as I am working on it. John
It took a while, but, thanks to your comment, I did some digging. From that, one of our specialists spoke to all the underwriters that Bennetts works with, and now all locked metal sheds, shipping containers and wooden sheds on a concrete base - as long as they're on your property - are classed as garages. I did a video about it, but only just managed to find your comment to thank you! Cheers, John th-cam.com/video/FUuHoApdxS0/w-d-xo.html
@@bennettsbikesocial Well done John so many posts do not get followed up.
@@bennettsbikesocial well done for getting an answer and making an improvement!
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As a retired Security Systems engineer, I can confirm that a loud alarm is useful. The public say no one takes any notice. This is pretty accurate. But the thief does not want to draw attention to himself. He doesn't know who is nearby !. It could be the owner and six of his mates !!
people steal shit for two reasons: 1. it is easier to steal than work or find a job. 2. punishment is not strong enough. i never take my keys out of ignition and my bike is mostly parked on public property or if it is raining/snowing i never closed the door of the garage. and yes i live on earth and my income is average or less
@@palamidagheo4520 what
@@palamidagheo4520 y donde vives¿?
@@palamidagheo4520 lucky you...if mines not nailed down its gone lol
@@palamidagheo4520 Punishment has NEVER in history EVER been a deterrent. The only solution to crime is to solve the societal issues which cause people to commit crime - you said it yourself, finding a job. For some people it's very hard. It should not be.
By your own logic if it wasn't for punishment you'd be out stealing stuff, right? I mean, you said it's easier than finding work.
I use an oxford alarm disc lock on the front disc, a chain through the front wheel either side of the forks, a Kryptonite chain with integral lock through the rear wheel secured to a ground anchor and the bike is covered too. I also have a PIR security light on the wall that will trigger before you get to the bike and CCTV! It may seem like a lot for an old Fazer that’s probably only worth about £500 but I don’t care. It’s my bike and the buggers ain’t getting it! 😃
Excellent.. man you put me off after your third example 🤣
I know exactly where you're coming from. It's just the hassle and the fact, why should someone take something that you look after and own
If I had to do all that I’d buy a car, or move to the desert.
And you spend more time unlocking and locking your bike than riding it.
I just clip my American Bulldog to it, if anybody gets past her, they are welcome to the bike.
I love how enthusiastic this guy is about locks... it has made me enthusiastic about locks too. God, I need this lockdown to be over soon...
Yeah, I am a bit of a geek! John
Sorry mate I’m talking to you from the future, lockdown is still going on 😩
The lockdown is over when everyone stops complying to arbitrating bullshit. Masks don't work. Lockdowns don't work.
@@AwesomeHairo Don't be a Karen. Listen to public health officials and wear a mask if they say so, Jimbob. You might save someone.
@@yoyonostring2147 don't be a winston smith :)
Finally, a video that actually offers some advice, reassurance and is backed up with some data. So many videos are just depressing to watch because they focus on how easy locks are to break.
Sure, nothing is perfect for preventing theft but it is good to know that even some basic security is going to reduce the risk.
Great video!
I haven't had any HUGE issues with this lock yet! th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfyHDlEqk6hqu9acdvK5NGzZsGKSokSbv It seems sturdy and like it will get the job done. I really like that it has a twisting lock feature to keep out dirt and debris. However, the mounting system is much too light for the lock, and continues to get loose/move around. It's mostly made of plastic parts, and I've had to tighten it a few times in the past week or so that I've had it. I'm worried that it's going to break off at some point while I'm riding. I'm considering just scrapping that part, but that would mean having to carry the heavy lock i my backpack and adding more weight. I wish I could have given this more stars, but without the mounting system, it's just another heavy lock that I have to cart around. UPDATE: Increased rating to 5 stars because the seller offered to provide a new lock and mounting system. Really appreciate the attention to customer service!!
I use a disc lock on the front and another on the rear and positioned so the bike wouldn't move more than an inch back or forward, so a thief would have to lift it. Both locks were alarmed. Basically, you want your bike to be more of a pain in the arse to nick than the next one.
Exactly right! Nice to see some people get it. Cheers, John
Abus alarm lock.
I prefer alarm locks also as they don’t drain your main battery and those that sense angle, (like mine) can feel any manipulation of the bike or lock
Same 👍
I did the same thing whilst at work, thinking i was safe, then one day two guys in a white van pulled up and lifted it into the back and drove off, gone within 2 minutes whilst watching the cctv, use a chain and anchor it, best advice you can get, 2 expensive alarmed disc locks completely useless if they can lift the bike off the ground
How do alarmed disc locks work? Can you easily trip the alarm yourself whilst unlocking the lock or by tilting the bike?
I've only used this once to sharpen my mower blade th-cam.com/users/postUgkxPDBfLu68o58Aw85O_J-zIFfjJARBhp-3 but so far very happy with it. I've never used one of these so took me a bit to figure out how to set it up but once I figured it out it did the job just fine. This is likely a single purpose tool for me to use on my mower blade and possibly the occasional axe sharpening so didn't see any need to spend a lot....this will do just fine!
My dream day: to be able to run into the thieves while there are at it, and for me to be able to leave their hands in such condition that they’ll never be able to steal anything ever again.
:) I probably would not, I know. It’s more like a fantasy day in my head.
1990 if they knew it was you
@@1990-t1j i would. any day
You would get 30 years for that in the UK
They do that in Arab countries. Chop them off
The U shaped kryptonite lock save my 600 ninja from being stolen 5 times back in 1986. You can't attack what you don't see. Always use more than one lock.
I get called over protective for wanting to protect my bike. I use an abus chain, 2 oxford 16mm disc locks one on the front disc and one on the rear sprocket, throttle lock, cover and a gps inside. I think its because i had a pit bike stolen from my house when i was 9.
More more more.. lol. Better safe than sorry.
Thank you for the tip ! Jr
Know the feeling Dan as I too had a push bike stolen , got it back , but its such an awful feeling I have never forgotten it. Even if I am going to our local bikers Cafe I try and park so I can see it.
Nobody wants those these days, so your quite safe mate.
I've been commuting in London for over 6 years now in various locations including Soho and never had a bike stolen. I just used 2 16mm (virtually impossible to crop) mini D locks such as the Oxford nemesis one for the front disc and one for the rear. I carried a pragmasis 13mm chain for a bit but options of anchoring are very limited so ditched it in the end. Most thieves don't use vans in London anyways. I'm sure things may have been different if I was riding a brand new R1 but as a commuter this combo has done me well.
16mm you arent getting through with manual bolt crops - a pragmasis roundlock would also be quality on the disc as a lock.
+1 for the nemesis lock(and chain).
Great to hear and good advice 👍
My R6 was stolen last week. 3 locks & a cover.. was picked up in a van .. and gone
@@PietersAdventures damn, sorry to hear that
I put a chain on the rear, disc lock on the front ,locked in garage and bat by the front door.
The abus 8077 disc lock saved my street triple RS. Although the thieves did manage to bend the disc before I could chase them away.
The lock broke (or rather as soon as I unlocked it after they had attacked it, it never worked properly again) and I have swapped it to the abus 8008 x plus
Sorry to hear about the attempt but glad they didn't get it! John
I work at a busy store and commute on my bike. Now in Northern Ontario Canada (not Toronto) we don't get a lot of motorcycle thrift but I did buy a bike on credit and would like to pay it off before losing it to a thief. I like the cover and multi lock ideas. Thank you for the video.
I haven't ridden a motorcycle for twenty years, recently bought a triumph bobber and am currently researching the most sensible ways to protect my bike efficiently. It only took me a few hours of research to realize that you are an invaluable asset to our motorcycle community with your videos. At this point a big thank you for your passionate work!
Thanks so much! Welcome back to biking, and hopefully we'll see you on our Bennetts BikeSocial Facebook group. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial 🤙👍
Unfortunately some people only invest in motorcycle security after the fact, I was one of them. After having my MT-09 stolen I spent £500 in security and it was worth every penny. I went for the Almax Immobiliser 19mm chain with Squire SS65CS Stronghold lock and Pragmasis Protector 16mm chain with RoundLock. All held with a Torc Ground Anchor. Trust me, spend the money on it, don't believe it won't happen to you.
Cracking vid, the real, actual theft data is very useful, thank you.
The best advice I was given when entering the biking world was....
If they want your bike, they'll get it. All you can do is make it as difficult as possible for them, to delay them as much as possible to increase the chance of them getting caught red handed.
Personally, I use an Abus chain & U lock, an alarmed disc lock and a cover.
Thanks, and that was good advice. Cheers, John
I have two expensive pushbikes which I keep under cover in my limited space just outside my house. I've lost count of the number of chains/locks I use on them! Multiple locks/chains are always the best approach. You'd be mad to rely on one single means of security for an expensive m/cycle.
Good practical video, and importantly up to date! Home always feels fine (tracker, CCTV, ground anchor, Pragmasis chain with their lock you featured, a no-name cable lock to stop easy removal of the Oxford Stormsheild cover and a Kryptonite disc lock). It's how to remain safe when parking up somewhere, especially when abroad. Would be great to have a list of hotels with secure bike storage available.
I've had 2 failed attempts in 2 years on my bike. Best lock is to keep anyone from seeing it. Aka, a garage. I doubt led up my security last time. I now have: disk lock, 14mm chain lock, audio shock alarm, silent alarm/gps, and a bike cover. Oh, and me from a 3rd story window and a lo g rifle.
Artago disc lock saved my day despite it been brutalised by a hammer,yes the disc needed replacing as did the lock,but it never gave up & the bike still belonged to me,these days I have two,highly recommended,they're a Spanish company who saved my bacon.
Got my Yamaha nicked with a chain (not the heavy quality chains of this video)... a month ago... Just now insurance came through.
More than the money, what hits most is the inconvenience of it all and the realization that someone (ok ok... something) which was so dear to you and was part of your life was snatched away by some low-life sucker... just to be broken down and sold as spares...
Can't see myself with a ton of chains, I don't even know how to carry those on a sleek bike. Let me start investing in some (multiple locks) and maybe chain combinations.
In any case thanks Bennetts for this informative video!!
I really enjoy waching John's videos - he brings enthusiasm and makes sensible comments that encourage you to enjoy biking, warts and all.
Thanks Richard! John
I watched this video with great interest. As a recent victim of bike theft (03-08-21), I wanted to find out which locks were best. I was always advised to secure my bike to an immovable object (lampost etc). On the above date, my Yamaha XJ600 was stolen from outside my home. It was secured to the lampost by a Oxford heavy chain & Oxford closed shackle lock, it also had a Oxford Titan disc lock. Th disc lock was snapped in two, & the chain was cut in half.
Really sorry to hear that! We've destruction tested a lot of chains and locks, so have a look here: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/how-to-choose-the-best-motorcycle-security
WOW !!!
I had a gang try to steal my bike outside my home a few years back. They had a grinder and cut through the 16mm chain that was securing it to a lamp post and the 12mm chain on the front wheel. They failed to steal the bike as their blade got chewed up while trying to grind through the pin on my £20 Oxford disc lock. After all the noise they made cutting the chains the police were called by a neighbor. I think they ran off when they heard them coming.
always confuses me why they do that, surely youd want to sneak up on them to have the best chance of getting an arrest
@@ThePresidentofMarsthe sirens help prevent any further crime I guess, for example if you’re being attacked and they hear the sirens they might stop and flea instead
I don't own a motorcycle or scooter anymore due to health problems but after watching this for just three minutes I had to subscribe for the content and interaction with your subscribers. Thumbs up.
Thanks very much! Really sorry you can't ride anymore though. All the very best, John
Thank you for this very informative video. I feel foolish for never considering a lock until now but I am thankful I watched this. Honestly, I forget that bike theft is a big thing. Just because I don’t think of stealing someone’s motorcycle doesn’t mean others don’t either- 🤦🏻♂️ Thanks again!
Bike theft is a thing, but don't get panicky that it's a big thing. You're still more likely to NOT have your bike stolen, but if you use security you're far less likely still. Then just get on with enjoying riding! John
very good review, had my bike stolen, shitty feeling. got a new one and going to beef up protection!
Sorry to hear that! John
An almax 19mm chain and a ground anchor stopped my Mx bike being stolen in combination with a disk lock alarm which alerted everyone in the street .
My bike has a large chain and lock on the rear which is locked through the racks, and a disk lock on the front but the main deterrent is a steel garage that I designed and built myself.Firstly it is out of sight, then to get into it would take an age as the frame is a mix of 25,50 and 75 mm box section which is a minimum of 3mm wall but the doors and door frame are 5mm wall. Hinges are 16mm pins and huge 10mm lock plates with covers etc and two huge locks. Basically my thinking is that I have made somebody else's property look easier to get into and that's the trick. You basically need to put up a sign that says - 'This is too much bother but the guy down the road's bike is easier to nick!' Sad fact of life but after 28 years in the plod I learned a bit about lowlife behaviour - they don't do it because they are bright or hard working!
I always learn a lot from these Bennett’s clips. Good to see my choice is a tough lock, the trusty Abus Granit 8077 Detecto. My squire chain is used with a Garrison mil-T lock when my bike is locked in my garage. Keep up the good work👌👍
Thanks! John
Thanks dude, with your advice on this and your other videos (and Bennetts) I purchased a pragmasis 16mm chain + round lock for my first bike. Wouldn't have even known about them if it weren't for you! Thanks!
Great choice, and really glad to have helped! Cheers, John
Well done, truthfully review and advice, no scaremongering 👍
Thank you! Cheers, John
I bought a pragmasis round lock, very small, easy to carry and really easy to fit, which makes it more likely i'll use it. For £40 i'm tempted to get a second one and lock both wheels.
Would be better if it was a brighter colour and not blend in with the disc
A great lock, and compatible with several of the Pragmasis chains. It's got the same weaknesses as any disc lock in that the disc itself can be cut, but the Round Lock is tough enough to be suitable even for a massive 22mm chain - this thing is really hard to beat. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Is there an equivalent for scooters? I saw your scooter locks video but it's outdated now. It's for a PCX 125 which will live in my hallway at home, but worried about leaving it outside supermarkets/shops. I'm in W Yorks so scoots are quite rare up here compared to London, but still don't want it nicking.
@@wagmiorngmi A D-lock (or U-lock) is a great start still, then use a chain with that too if you can afford it. A cover also makes a huge difference! If you want the absolute toughest D-lock, go for the Hiplok D1000.
@@bennettsbikesocial Thanks Bennett. Yes I will have a chain too, to wrap around something fixed. I thought the comment from someone saying to lock the back wheel was a good one, as the weight makes it very hard to manually lift off the ground to roll on the front wheel. I think I would like a bit silly putting a cover over it for 10 minutes in asda so will skip that, but a rear disk lock + chain should be ample deterrent.
They should develop a mounted front brake cable clamper. When you indicate the bike as stolen, it immediately pulls the cable the next time it reaches speeds of 65 mph or higher. No more thieves.
Good info. At home, I use 4 locks and 2 chains plus 1 alarm for my electric bike.
best advice you can get 6:20 .....lock 2 disc with annoying alrams ..... chain it to a pole ...... cover it to not attract attention.....plus a gps inside hidden so i can see where the hell it is. been doing this all the time so far so good!
I know this is marketing but damn, having a dude that is a legit motorcyclist making this content and actually works for them makes me want to buy some insurance from them lol too bad I'm in the states.. Great content, keep it up!
Ha - yes, we do try to be transparent in that we make content to promote Bennetts and BikeSocial off the back of all this, but the good thing is that it means we're spending a marketing budget, rather than relying on advertisers and sponsorship, so it doesn't matter what I think of any brand... just tell it like it is. Cheers! John
Use a shifty looking filthy cover who’s going to go look . Make the unseen bike look like junk
The best security you can get for your bike is a $20 bike cover. Seriously! Just cover it up wherever you park and put locks through the front and rear wheels.
Only if you have a nice bike! I put a cover on my old CG125 and someone ripped it off... then left the bike. How rude!
agree, but you want to use a crappy beat up greasy ugly cover so no one wants to go near it
@@elliottsw 🤣🤣🏍 bastads..
2x oxford heavy duty chains
1x disk alarm
1x oxford boss disk lock
1x vibration/movement alarm
1x moni moto tracker and a cover
Good luck stealing and getting away, plus it’s a £1700 bike so no ones trying anyway 😂
Thank 's dud , for the tip so I can secure my bike. jr
1700 quid bike with 2 grands worth of security 😂
Love the content! Thanks for sharing. I've been on a Street Triple RS 2017 for 3 years in and around London extensively, using Pragmasis D lock with Helmet tied to the front wheel, doubled up with Roundlock on the disc. If I know I'm leaving the bike for overnight, I carry cover.
Some great advice there 👍
I have Two Pragmasis protector chains with keyed-alike Squire locks and mine is the only bike on my estate that hasn't had an attempt on it.
What a great vid not just pushing his company but the products that work in the real world 👍
I use Oxford disc lock screamer 7 with chain and lock and I've got bike trac tracker ,the tracker is an absolute life saver and every bike should have one
I found that he best way to prevent Bike theft is if you are going inside shops for any length of time is to leave your Bike outside the shop where there will be the most amount of people traffic locked up against a street sign pole with a hardened chain & security padlock that has a small opening with protected shackles so it can't be jiggered open using pieces of Coke cans on the shackle as well as your disk alarm. The fact that it's in full view of many people is enough to prevent anyone from stealing your Bike.
I have the pragmasis 16mm chain and the dumbbell style round lock you've shown (like because it spins independent to each side making it difficult to angle grind) . I couldn't go any bigger because I wouldn't get it through the wheel. Being a vfr with wheel nuts, I have to thread it through my centre stand and beefy ground anchor. I didn't even think about the lock being a stand alone disc lock too. I also use a D lock for the front but I'm going to use the dumbbell one too when I'm out and about. Great video!
Thanks Paul! John
Great video. But let me highlight an important detail about locking a motorcycle, which is where to lock it? Most o bikers they just lock it in the wheel (rear or front) and those can be easily removable. I found it very hard to find a good spot on the frame, which is where should locked. Try to find a spot on the bike frame instead. And last, bike manufactures should design the bike keeping this in mind, to create a nice spot in the motorcycle frame dedicated to security, the lock.
I’ve got a Oxford screamer on front Oxford chain and lock on anchor point and disc lock on rear
Someone needs to make a disk lock with a smart water tube built in. So if someone attacks the lock it will burst and dye them
I have a Pragmasis Roundlock, which seemed the best design by far of all the disk locks I looked at. But I've also added some large diameter washers between the body of the lock and the disc. That way an angle grinder can't even get onto the bolt, and the washers just rotate. Hope it works!
It's a great bit of kit. To be honest, it'd be easier to attack the disc itself than cut the lock.
Great information from somebody who knows what they're talking about!
Best type of lock is one that has a stock behind it, a barrel and a thieving little toe rag in front of it...
Review from know trusted source... better than many others!!!👍👍
Great vlog John, just had a wee spell away from motorcycling due to moving on to a narrow boat! also repairing the later. I now have store my bike in a inclosed area (gate fobed area within a marnia). A few years ago I arrived at Ullapool, no were to laeve my helmet I quickly pop into a hardware store and purchased a cheap 10mm cable lock to go around the helmet chin bar + rear wheel. only £15, but when I returned a hour later the cable had withstood attack, large cut marks but I still had my bike plus Crash helmet! not sure what they were after? but local Police said it happens! ( a case of not being Scotish)!
Glad they didn't get it! Social media would have you believe there are pro thieves everywhere, but it's not true! Using any security is a big help!
What great guy, honest and non scaremongering
Thanks Jonathan! Too many people seem to wallow in the scaremongering around motorcycling, either for clicks or just in general, but all that does is put people off enjoying bike ownership! Cheers, John
There'll inevitably be questions along the lines of 'what discount will I get' or 'my insurance didn't go down'. I've explained how underwriters look at motorcycle security - and this applies across the industry - in this article: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/advice/bike-maintenance/best-motorcycle-lock-insurance-discount-facts
Also, this was intended to be an introduction to disc locks more than a full test - the 8077 for instance does have the ability to work with a chain as long as it's a noose design (I hadn't finished the full review of the locks when I made this). However, you'll need to use Abus's own chain if you want to maintain the full alarm function.
@@borisj While it'd be easy (and true) to say that there's a lot going on to try and fix many of the things you mention, I would also recommend that if you have anything flag up like this in an online quote, please call up as we can put you through to somebody who can go back to the panel of underwriters to see if they can get a better quote. Sometimes it takes an agent speaking direct to an underwriter -armed with more information they've gained from you - to get a quote. That won't always be the case, and it's true that all brokers are frustrated with some situations; it makes no business sense to price people out of the market. But as I said in the article linked above, underwriting motorcycle insurance is such a small part of those companies business, it can take a long time to improve things. I'm aware that's little help to anybody who's struggling to get a quote, but please do call if you're struggling online. Cheers. John www.bennetts.co.uk/contact-us
@@borisj I was working in Germany last year and shocked at how much cheaper insurance was. But then I found out how different the cover was - nothing like fully comprehensive. I work in editorial, and spent donkey's years working in magazines before this, but now seeing the back-end of insurance it's equally fascinating and frustrating to see how the entire industry works. It's impossible to truly help anyone on channels like this, so all we can ultimately do is ask people to call, then really hope we can help them. Take care, cheers John
Sweet, all I got to do now is get a motorcycle haha
Haven't ridden for over 2 years after getting my driving license so my MT-07 has been in hibernation.
Recently I bought a Honda Monkey and can't wait to ride again thinking of investing in the Oxford Beast chain set but for the Disclock I used to have an Abus 8077 but it had fallen apart though it did last a few years.
It’s surprising how many bike,s are stolen now , in Perth WA we see on Facebook loads are being stolen ,more security less chance ,,and it all started with those BLOODY battery grinders , you can get 140 db unit dice look or chub lock ,rare but worth the look ???.or GPS tracker with phone alarm alert ,prices aren’t cheep ,but when your paying $16,000 plus it’s. A MUST .stay safe and all bikers should keep and eye out for fellow bikers bikes ,HAPPY EASTER everyone 🤘🤘🤘🤘
I am a bit over the top, rl21 roundlock, 16mm pragmassis Chain and 18mm Kryptonite d lock
It's never too much when it come to protect what you own.
@@balex96 for a 125 lol
very important note on the issue about sharing everything in the social media.... including : how to do the wrong things.... yep.
8:10 Actually you CAN use the Abus decto 8077 with a chain (sold as a bundle or separate). Of course the chain is made specifically for the lock then. I have both the lock and the chain that goes with it, as well as the floor anchor bolted to the concrete floor in the shed. Good luck loading the shed into a van :P
Yes, sorry! I hoped the pinned comment and the link to the review that pops up during play would flag it, but since TH-cam turned off captioning, it's not easy to flag a mistake. Here's the full review: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/scooter-security-and-disc-locks/abus-granit-detecto-xplus-8077-review
Love these videos, thanks 👍🏻 I have upgraded my bike security to one of your recommended suppliers and have never looked back 👍🏻
Brilliant - which one? Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Pragmasis 19 or 20mm?, 22mm out of stock at the time. Round lock. Plus two cheap disc locks on the front.
Looking for an affordable disc lock alternative for the front now.
The Pragmasis chain is a beast!!!! 💪🏻
@@allenglishknives6823 excellent - 19mm then. That's what I use. Cheers, John
When using a disc-lock never leave the bike in a position where you can get on it and ride off,trust me,I've done it,always leave the bike in a position where you have to push it backwards or manoeuvre it by hand before you can get on it and ride it,forgetting that disc-lock is a total bummer.
Very wise words... we've all done it!
I've done it 3 times, the last time disabled the bike on a tour. I've now solved it with a Roadlok. Not cheap but you cant ride off with it on and its permanently fitted to the bike caliper.
Many years ago I had my bike at a bar drinking with friends (yeah I was that idiot that would ride after drinking ..something I obviously would never do these days !) Anyway the parking lot was sloped so a thief decided to hop on and coast quietly away from the bar where he could hotwire in peace...thing is I had locked the fork lock which dumb thief forgot to check so a witness sees him jump on the bike and try to roll away only to immediately drop the bike and run off all scuffed up. Hard to understand how he failed to realize. Maybe the front was locked in the same direction he wanted to turn taking off idk...wierd Pretty funny afterwards but man was I mad!
I just got the idea off having 2 trackers, one under the seat and just hiding the other one as good as posible. I was thinking it would have Been cool to buy or make a custom muffler with an inbuilt tracker that is in a welded compartment inside the muffler so you achualy had to cut to be able to see it. This should totaly be a thing.
I once accidently broke a disc lock off my bike by driving away and forgetting to remove it, always bought higher quality security since then!
Bad time that it was poor quality, but great it didn't damage your bike!
@@bennettsbikesocial Triumph Trophy, built like a tank 🤣
You mentioned that looking at your data for how many people use locks, what about everyone that uses a lock but says they don't use one when signing up? I always say no because it doesn't change the price at all and if you don't use the lock one day for what ever reason and it gets stolen insurance companies will say your not covered.
It's a fair question, though it's not quite that simple regarding what you state is used. However, yes - it does skew the data, but offset against that to some extent will also be the people saying they do use security that isn't on there. Ultimately, it is only intended as a guide in order to show that locking your bike DOES make a difference, despite the misery that social media prefers to portray. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial wow, I wasn't expecting a reply, let alone so quick. I do wonder how much it skews the data though, because every time I renew my insurance if I put on both of my locks on the quote, the price never really changes, so I personally say I don't and quite a few of my friends do the same thing as well as its just a way for certain insurance companies to wiggle out of paying. I'd bet that quite a lot of the data is very much out and skew the data so much that it's of no use in the real world. I do completely understand that your given the data and you'd use that data to come to a conclusion so in no way is it yours or any other insurance companies statistics.
Locking a bike definitely does make a huge difference, no doubt about that, anything to stop the idiots from getting something free that we worked hard to get. I'd recommend to create a bigger empathise on putting a disk lock on the rear of the bike as its a lot harder to access with an angle grinder and I've personally had a guy remove my front wheel to wheel it on its back wheel, luckily they didn't get away.
@@benclimo461 TH-cam is awful for keeping track of comments, especially if it auto-holds them for review! Yes, absolutely - the rear wheel is the better option if you can get a lock in there, though of course chaining it to something solid is the best bet.
Getting the exact data of what's used, and what was in use during a theft or attempted theft is next to impossible, and even the location of theft can be tricky - it's not something kept in police theft data. Definitely this isn't the most solid set, but seeing the real problem of PTWs not being secured at all (especially in London), and the reduction in theft caused by the Met's Lock, Chain, Cover campaign, using any security will, as you say, make a difference. Trouble is, it's such a challenge getting that message out through the fog of gleeful crime videos posted for clicks. That gang that tried to steal a Panigale in Soho were put away for 20 years in total, but nobody wants to share that; they prefer to keep sharing the video of one of them threatening bystanders with a grinder.
The problem I have with that is that it's building the idea that crime is out of control and that it's best not to have a bike. Bike theft has fallen over the last three years. Too many people will jump at the chance to tell you how dangerous motorcycles are, or how if you don't get killed, it'll be stolen anyway; not really the best way to encourage new riders into what can be a brilliantly convenient, relatively cheap (depending what you buy) and thoroughly enjoyable form of transport.
Cheers, John
Here's the team that took down that Soho crew: th-cam.com/video/a578fDDP-Nc/w-d-xo.html
@@bennettsbikesocial no problem at all! Like you said its impossible to get the proper data, too many variables, too many people that lie to get it cheaper etc. I just don't understand how anyone can even think its a good idea to leave a bike unattended and unlocked let alone in London of all place, is there really that many people that leave there bikes completely unlocked for long periods at a time in places like London?
@@benclimo461 Sadly yes! To many people, a scooter or even a bike is a lot cheaper than a rail season pass. A lot of owners see the steering lock as all they need, and just leave it. It has got better though; according to data from the Motorcycle Crime Reduction Group, in 2019 23,641 PTWs were stolen (11,163 bikes, 12,478 scooters). In 2020 jan to Sept, it was 13,151 (6,855 bikes, 6,296 scooters); that's projected to be around 18,000 by year-end. Still way too many of course, but it is dropping and has been for three years, so it's not just the reduction in people going to the office this year. Recovery rate in 2019 was 49%, but that dropped to 47% in 2020, though of course a lot of bikes stolen are stripped for parts or sent overseas. In 2020, London accounted for 50% of scooter thefts and 65% of motorcycle thefts. It is true that a determined thief can get anything, but they really do go for the easiest targets. Cheers, John
Police may not respond at all. My friend locked his Suzuki 125 with a disk lock in a very busy public city centre bike park. Upon returning to the bike he discovered that someone had stuck something inside the lock barrel, he couldn't unlock it. I came out and tried for about 20 minutes but also failed to unlock it, felt like the lock was full of fine sand, key would turn about 15 degrees and stop with a gritty feeling. I tried blasting it out with air duster and with penetrating oil, no success. His brother then attended with a battery grinder and cut the lock in half. The bike had us "messing with the lock" for a total of maybe 45 minutes. This was all on a sunny saturday afternoon in mid June with hundreds (thousands?) of shoppers walking past. We were never challenged, nobody said anything to us at all.
I have a pair of Abus Detecto for my Moto Guzzi Griso and Triumph Speed Triple. I'm glad to see it is so highly rated!
Good video John. I like the pramasis lock might get one of those. Got a few different ones and a pragmasis chain.. though that’s usually being used to keep something else safer. I can’t help thinking with the big expensive chains it’s probably good business for the thieves just to nick the chain and leave the bike!
Check the size of the RoundLock - Pragmasis supply it with two bases, depending on the chain you're fitting it to. John
I am in the process of buying a bike. This video has made me feel more at ease with the idea of owning a bike. Thx man, I just
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Brilliant! There's too much negativity around biking, often from those who ride. No idea why people want to portray a doom and gloom image for something so awesome. Enjoy! John
I love lock picking (locksports shout out to my man lockpicking lawyer), I also used to steal bikes in my youth but now I've grown up and bought my own bike this is terrifying but also brings me enjoyment seeing these videos.
Most types of thefts I did was looking up the numbers on the bike itself using a website to get the bits and cutting my own key.
If that didn't work I also lifted the accutal bikes into a van.
I also used to use angle grinders on disc locks, bolt cutting on those big ol chains and as for GPS tracking you can go under ground enough it often loses signels. My best advice for you lot is use a mixture of things because the more steps the more time it takes. Like try to anqour it to the ground, use a lock with an alarm, use GPS, use a disc lock.
Heck there's even covers now days that has alarms and set off if someone tries fiddling with it.
I tell you something Somehow in this ocean of video here you and f9 are the only people I trust for their reviews.
And two I trust less are 2 of the biggest UK motorbike clothing shops.
Keep the goon and honest work up brother
Get a U-lock that is at least 18mm thick like the Kryptonite fahgettaboudit mini, this lock cannot be removed with a bolt cutter, but the other most important thing is an alarm that can TEXT you when the bike is disturbed so that you can get to it before anything can happen, time is the most critical factor.
In the 80s in the 90s I had a very heavy chain and a lock, the shackle on that lock was thicker than the chain kinda like the thick ones you were showing. I agree the combination of a lock and an alarm helps. I used to have an alarm on mine way before they even started doing it back in the 80s. For the alarm it was a remote control car alarm, I used to install car alarms so I had an extra one, I figured let me try it on the motorcycle. I forgot to mention the chain was 10 ft long and I wrapped it Criss-Cross around my chest, oh yeah that was real heavy I used to chain my bike to telephone poles with a abloy lock ( made in Finland )
My bike was stolen and recovered yesterday night, the thieves dropped it and scattered as soon as they got out of my apartment complex and someone yelled police. One of my locks is the beeping oxford lock almost everyone has and I keep it on my brake disc. They simple cut a chunk out of my brake disc using an angle grinder and didn't even touch the lock... Sadly the other locks weren't a deterrent either and were no match for the angle grinder.
Sorry to hear that! Yes, it is a problem with disc locks. Nothing can be guaranteed to stop any thief, but don't stop locking it - it reduces the chances of it being attacked.
You can also put a big f.o padlock through sprocket hole and around drive chain.
3 disck locks, a U lock and a big chain and padlock when i leave the bike unattended somewhere. None were mega expensive but the approach i've gone for is to make my bike look like a complete pain in the arse to steal. Garaged at home with same locks
That wasn't me with the bike stolen from outside my office was it? I'm with you guys.
you can have the best lock, but the brake disk is the weak point. Tracker indeed brought my bike back. 12 police cars were searching it. Did you check out roadlok already?
Sadly Roadlok won't reply to our requests to review one, and it's so niche it's hard to justify buying one. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial thanks for the quick response.
Best thing you can do is get the bike off the street, in a garage or inside.. mine are locked this way:
Oxford Alpha (110 db alarm) on front disc, 19 mm Almax chain with Abloy 362 padlock on rear wheel .. pragmasis 16 mm chain secure through bike frame, locked with Squire SS65CS Stronghold Padlock with antipinch (chain goes through wall anchor and secured to bike frame) .. Hidden GPS tracker on bike .. yeah I say good luck :)
My advice is to get more than one lock so the thieves know right away it's going to take a long time to cut this one, then this one, then this one, etc.
Absolutely!
yea ik the uk they have to be saw disc resistent since people just have handheld ones and people passing by just watch it happen as someone's bike is stolen. and what is a blessing and a curse is the simplicity of a bike. the more easy and luxury you make it the easier you make it for a thief to just unflip your front or back wheel lever and boom, wheels gone or frame depending how you locked it. best bet is locking your bike in a well easy to see place in the open
How about getting the councils in London to give us a railing or D-loop anchor so we can lock bikes to them. So they can't just be lifted off in a van.
In London and nationally. Would cost them peanuts and dramatically improve security!
who bothers with vans and new serial numbers these days? i mean it's even more dumb than stealing cars.....what the hell you do with it, ship it to africa for profit? hehe...
I have an Arbus granite D lock which I have had for 15 years, and dare I tempt fate but never lost a bike , although some one had tried cutting it at some point whilst on holiday one year
Honest review on motorcycle locks, worth spending a few hundred to not loose your couple a grand motorcycle
I have a chain, and will have a disk lock as well as its covered. In a very quiet car park.
Ha ha ha....I was actually wondering what a beautiful looking bike is in the background...was surprised it's a Grom when you moved it at the end....definitely guessed its custom at the first look
You can use the ABUS 8077 with the ABUS 12KS120 chain.
I use my Abus disc lock every day the bike is parked outside work. I don't believe it to be the safest lock by any stretch, but with over 20 unlocked bikes around it I feel that a thief is likely to choose any other bike beside mine.
Exactly right! I'm always amazed when people say they don't bother locking their bikes as there's no point. Though they are handy to park a locked bike next to. John
I still for the life of me do not know why people don’t secure their bikes, doesn’t matter if its a used 2,000 bike or a brand new 20,000 bike, no one wants to see their steed gone and have that empty disgusting feeling in their stomach.
Good video, thanks. I use a Stockton alarm disk lock and might get a chain after watching this:)
Japan has an alley in one of their big cities that is always filled with motorcycles parked for the day. That one Alley has more than 400 motorcycles stolen a year..
in some cities in Japan, before you can purchase a motorcycle , do you have to prove that you have a place to keep it..
by the way, the motorcycle driving test to get a license to ride is so tough, that only 4 of every 100 applicants pass the test on the first try..
I am picking up a RSV MILLIE 2001 this Thursday and going for x2 (disc lock plus alarm) + pragmasis chain lock combo.. plus considering a tracker unit also ..
Thanks for your diligent upload and test examples, really helped making lock choices. Just wish i could add 1000volts to belt through my bike if any 1 touches and not short circuit the electrics 🤣 take that u thieving toerag..
Great channel, keep up the good work!
Iv'e seen a few riders take off before removing these disc locks. They work, thats for sure.