Honestly I think most people who “follow” the curly girl method actually just kind of loosely follow it. Most of us use curly girl approved products most of the time and then do reset washes every so often with sulfate shampoos to get rid of build up. Some of us also still use heat or bleach/dye. Almost all of us use some kind of comb or brush. I think the curly girl method is a good place to start, but it absolutely is not a hard and fast rule for everyone. Everyone should do what works for them honestly
The thing about the CGM that rly gets me is the no comb and brush part. Like gurll come on.Aint nobody got time or patience to be finger detangling. I NEED my tangle teezer😭🤦🏽♀️
Shall we all just be honest with ourselves..I have patience for a lot of things: braiding my hair for 16 hours, editing one YT video for 14 hours, waiting for newly painted walls to dry... finger detangling is not one of them. Having all my loose hairs stick to my hands when I'm trying to moisturise/style after washing and conditioning has got to be in my TOP 5 pet peeves. No ma'am.
@@RebekkaHay I mean, they could recommend another brush. It's all about how careful you are. The tangle teezer is not a miracle solution if people are still ripping through their hair
I read and used most of the curly girl method. It made my 4a/b curls pop. I modified it though cuz some parts didn’t make sense. I use sulfate free shampoo due to my scalp getting build up super easy and I use the Felicia leatherwood brush for detangling. From my experience her tips work but use common sense when you see that your hair is responding well to cowashing only or having way too many single strand knots. There is nothing wrong with modifying to your hair needs!
This is EXACTLY what I'm saying. No matter who is giving advice on how to handle your hair (myself included), apply common sense. If it doesn't make sense for you - trash it. If it works, keep it. But some of these steps... girl...
Wait, I have many single knots.. I have never seen this or when I show it to someone nobody understands that.. I don't follow the CGM method, Can u tell me what to do..??
that article shows just how much people with non-coily hair completely misunderstand and even unfairly stereotype coily hair! like assuming everyone with coily hair has a dry scalp or the same porosity, level of damage, etc. that article over-simplifies pretty much everything about hair, but the coily hair tips as you showed are clearly the worst. it just goes to show how important it is for coily hair education to be done by people with coily hair!
The educated and sophisticated read HUN-TY!!!! I loved it!!! The info here is so good. Being that I still consider myself new to my natural hair, its good to see that the CGM isnt necessarily for everyone. Sometimes it feels like if you're not doing things a certain way that you're doing it wrong. So grateful for those video and the info it provided. I'm starting to see a lot more videos like this that shows there aren't "rules" as long as you're listening to your hair and doing what works!
😭😂😭 You're so spot on, sis. There are really no "rules" per se. The best I can do is provide/present information that has been tried, tested, or proven. But hair is not a monolith, so it's still up to each individual to apply common sense to this information first, before they apply it to their hair. It just pains me that there are still people out there who are so frustrated with trying to understand their hair that they end up trying things that do their hair a disservice - by which point the damage may be irreversible.
It's definitely one of the most popular options out there so for sure newbies need to be informed so they can either choose to modify accordingly or do without entirely.
Actually CGM is absolutely wrong for the wavy textured hair as wavy hair is often growing from normal or oily scalps and those types of scalps should never cowash, just use a normal, sulfate containing shampoo and alternate those with low poos.
@@bewitched2918 explain what exactly? As a wavy you should not follow strict cgm, it is not meant for wavies, follow what works for your hair, use the normal shampoo if your hair likes it, whatever conditioner and products help it and forget about cowashing - it is WRONG method and leads to hair loss
@@orangefox5121 Oh, I'm doing well, then, I use a clarifiying shampoo once a month, a low poo, conditioner every day that I wash my hair, a mask once a week and a Deep conditioner too (not every week) Also I have a Dry Scalp Thank you very much for your answer!
I tried the co wash thing b4 cowashes were on the market an bay bae my hair was a dry frizzy mess! I quickly went back to old school staples shampoo and conditioner every week.
I have 3c/4a hair and I avoid mineral oils, parabens, sulfates, silicones, phthalates, and waxes. There are so many products from Black owned brands like Soultanicals and Natty Naturals. I wash and deep conditioner my hair once a week. I also finger detangle. Hope that helps.
LOVE LOVE LOVE Soultanicals! Wish it was easier to come by over here. The bits of the method you've taken are sensible ones - they make sense, but I have a couple questions: how dense is your hair? and does to blot drying with the cupping also work for your hair?
Afope Atoyebi i have low density and fine strands. I usually wet plop with a T-shirt turban. But I have scrunched out excess water with no issues. I do tend to experience tangles when I do wash and gos for a week at a time. Less tangles when I have twists in.
I'm one of those who saw a few videos about CGM and jumped on the bandwagon. I'm a 2C but my hair never felt conditioned enough, I had lots of build up, and developed seborreric dermaritis which I'm still fighting. It's not for everyone, especially if you have hard water.
Afope Atoyebi that’s too funny! I’ve been doing the cgm since January of 2019 with mostly bad hair days! I just recently gave up on it...but then decided to give it one more try and ended up having great results. So I think I’ll keep going with it! I live in Florida so I have to make it work with the humidity! The Ouidad climate control gel worked great for me. I have some hilarious pics of what happens to my hair!
I've NEVER did the cg method bcus if you look at the pics it let you know it wasn't for us! But I know ppl who did this for yrs but there curls were not kinky.
I'm wavy but very soon stopped following CGM as I just can't co-wash. I have dermatitis and my scalp got quickly itchy. Nevertheless my hair was constantly greasy at the roots. There was no way of not brushing my hair - I literally had a rat nest, it looked absolutely awful (fine extremely dense hair here). Also, towel dried hair styling doesn't work for me, my hair needs to be soaking wet to look good after. I'm not able to air dry my hair unless it's hot summer day and even then it takes me about an hour to dry. So, no, thanks. Not for wavy hair either.
hii, I have wavy hair and like many have discovered that past summer quarantine as all my life before I always straight blow dried it. It looked frizzy often but I thought it’s just me having frizzy hair. I like the idea of waves but I haven’t been able to make it work beyond wash day. Do you brush your hair after washing? How do you style it in the morning? Mine looked like a rat’s nest and after fall started I went back to straightening it. Any tips?
Yeah, the CGM is bad for wavy hair.. Soon after following it you get build up of conditioning product (because it's not so unheard of for wavy hair to also be low porosity) and the method just isn't it.. Our hair also ends up insanely tangled without brushing whatsoever because it's usually on the longer side than coily hair is.. I tried it for a bit and ditched it. It figured it too clean beautyesque and unnatural product phobic.. Built on misinformation. The part where they said not to wash out conditioner out of wavy hair completely was red flag no. 1 for me when I first started.
@@melz6625 Hi, so I have 2C-3A hair mostly (though you'll find the random 2B and 3B in parts of my hair) and I do a modified cgm. I use a sulfate free shampoo most wash days, and I wash my hair typically after 4-5 days. I do the squish to condish method after shampooing with a conditioner, and I finger detangle at that time to get the big tangles out since I don't brush throughout the week. Then I apply a leave in conditioner to my soaking wet hair - depending on your hairs thickness, density, and porosity you may need to experiment with what type of leave in conditioner will provide the most softness and moisture while not being too heavy. Once the leave in is applied, I brush through with a denman brush (doesn't have to be a denman, could just be a plain old wide toothed comb) to get any of the smaller tangles out. Then I apply my gel - I absolutely adore spray gels! They don't weigh my hair down as much or give me too much definition at the expense of volume. Once I've applied enough of the gel I scrunch, making sure to flip my hair around so I'm getting every spot. Once I'm satisfied with the scrunching, I plop my hair for a few minutes with a microfiber towel so it isn't soaking, then diffuse until dry. There should be a gel cast at this point that you must scrunch out - use a tiny amount of a light oil (argan or jojoba are usually good choices) to scrunch out the crunch. I do need to refresh daily, but usually I just use steam and maybe a bit of gel or leave in to smooth out the tangled frizzy parts. My hair health has been so much better once I started treating it this way, I never knew my hair could fork actual thick ringlets :)
Don't forget the age of this book. All information has an expiration date as new information approves or disproves it. Idk anyone now that follows the cg method to the letter.
I have 2b-3a hair so definitely on the wavy side. I very loosely follow certain. But I wash twice a week, always detangle with a wet brush, diffuse my hair and wash with a sulfate shampoo every 3-4 weeks. I feel like my routine is much more similar to many others who “follow” cgm even if they have much curlier hair. I love that you go into the science behind everything
It sounded like Lorraine would look like that. Even though my sister’s name is Lorraine I knew this Lorraine would not look like me and her 😊 sounds like they threw in that kinky part, to get more people to buy the book and they interviewed someone to use buzz words but they have no clue really. Thank you for breaking it down sis 💯
I'm literally crying of laughter remembering how I felt when I found her bio. Your sentiments were mine exactly. It clearly works really well for wavy/curly hair, but it's okay if it's not for coily hair. We'll be alright without it 😭
@@AfopeAtoyebi I hear you keep saying that it's good for wavy hair, and I can assure you fully that it is not! If you have an oily scalp you're in for a rough time with CGM. If you have a scalp condition due to oily scalp, you're in for an even rougher time! If you are wavy and oily, co-washing is a bad idea. Also finger detangling in the shower even with conditioner might work for some people, but not for me! I pulled out a lot of hair by trying this. I think it depends on the porosity of your hair whether you can do this kind of detangling. I have to do it when my hair is dry or else I yank too much hair out.☺
Legit your channel saved my hair I like how you go through things versus just saying do this or just blanketing all hair types and porosity into one box. Just these tips alone have helped me so much and my hair is already thanking me!
MY HAIR IS 3B,C. I roller set my hair and occasionally relaxed it my whole life. I wanted an easier way to care for my hair when I travel so I looked into just letting it dry. What a frizzy mess! then I read Massey’s book. I never did true co-washing with regular conditioner because that just didn’t make sense to me. I use co-washes like As I Am, deep condition every other week, clarify once a month, and use a variety of styling products. I’ve been doing it for a year now and my hair is healthier than it has ever been with lots of soft ringlets. I enjoy experimenting with different products. It’s like a new hobby. I’ve always washed once a week so no change there. I’ve been avoiding silicones, but after watching your videos I may relax on that a little. I learned so much from CGM about how to care for my natural hair, but I also feel free to modify it to suit me. What started as a plan for travel hair has become the new me! I really enjoy your videos and how you base what you say on science.
LOVE THIS! Many if not all the comments I've read on using the cg method for type 3-4 hair state that they've been modified. This puts me more at ease because it's always ideal for people to shape the method to suit them, and not vice versa - that's where issues arise. Thanks Anita!
Afope Atoyebi Some of the CGM groups on Facebook are like a cult. They will ban you for even asking a question about shampoo or brushing. I was fortunate that the first group I found was called CGM, Uncensored. They will teach you about the method, share their experiences, but then say to do what works for you. The members range from barely wavy to kinky.
Anita Wallace I’m glad it has worked for so many people, but it becomes a problem when you can’t accept the idea that it may not necessarily work equally well for everyone.
Lemme just say I have wavy hair, like 2b/2c and I tried this and it no ways worked for me and just screwed up my scalp. I had dull limp hair from to much product, or too little product and had acne on my scalp. My hair ended up being dry because it wasn’t retaining moisture because I live where it’s cold and dry and actually need products with silicone. Also I always looked like a troll because suddenly my wide tooth comb was the devil. So I don’t know really who the heck CGM is supposed to be for because it ain’t my jam.
I see a lot of natural hair stylists on twitter who claim that people only need a shampoo, conditioner, and a gel in their hair and I was so weirded out, and seeing it on the cgm I'm even more weirded out! GEL WITH NO MOISTURE????
Sounds similar to what the Black Girl Curls ladies, who are licensed cosmetologists, have said. They modified the curly girl methodology several years ago to make it applicable to kinkier hair types and it's been enabling many of their clients to wear wash and gos. They also are big time promoters of doing ones hair in 1 hr as opposed to the 8hr wash day many of us have become accustomed to hearing promoted throughout these TH-cam streets. I don't know a lot about it but have been getting as much info as I can to see if this is something I might want to try in the future. Would love to hear Fop's opinion on their take on natural hair.
I have type 4 high porosity hair and only use one product for my wash and go’s and yes I regularly use only gel! Works a treat. Interesting enough I’d gone into a beauty shop and a white sales lady suggested ouidads gel that had rave reviews and when I asked which leave-in it comes with it she looked puzzled and said it works great on its own and why make life harder on myself by using multiple products... I was shook at the logic but it actually gave me pause and made me think. So I tried it by itself and it was one of the best wash and gos I’ve had. Mind you I co wash every other day and shampoo once a week. Ive also had a couple of keratin treatments in the last year so there’s that... My go to gels are: “ouidad advanced climate control heat and humidity gel” and “ Curl Gel Humid Weather Clever”. Sometimes I get away with just using a foam for my wash and go! I only use .the brand product “Clever Curl Wonderfoam” for this. You have to remember that the *water is the moisture* so when I do my styling in the shower I saturate my sectioned hair with water then go in and coat/rake the gel into my strands to lock the water or moisture in place. If I’m doing the styling out of the shower I use my spray bottle of water to spray down the hair, working in sections and then go in with the gel to coat and rake it through my hair. This works well if you’re not using sulphates, silicones, minerals etc in your hair products to begin with because it gives your hair a good foundation to retain the moisture/water.
@@britjj5126 do you live in a warm or cold climate? It's in the single digits in my area right now. I just tried a wash and go a few weeks ago, and I didn't like it. But I did use a leave in with the gel that I used so maybe that was the issue. I also heard that people who do gel only wash and gos use two gels to style their hair, one of which is usually a botanical gel. As soon as I use up my product stash, which is enough to last me for about a year (with washing my hair 1-2x a week on average), I definitely will try this out. It's just that I had FOMO as a result of watching TH-camrs making videos for years and not being in the financial position to afford to purchase many of them. Either because I was living in an expensive city or was unemployed, or not making much money when I started working. For the same reason going to a hairstylist was the last thing on my list since I could manage taking care of my own hair. So once I saw all the pre-black Friday and Black Friday sales last year I went a little overboard, buying a bunch of new stuff to try. I rationalized spending all that money on the fact that I don't go to the salon. At least several of the things I have used are high quality and some of them are salon products that were recommended by cosmetologists on this platform.
@@ChristsChemist hehe I’m a bit of product junkie myself but been trying to reign it in. I live in Australia and often get the dry, scorching heat! Thankfully I live in an area that experiences all the seasons. Currently it’s summer and although we experience dry heat it does get humid from time to time. My hair grows the most in summer so I take advantage of this by wearing wash and go’s.
I have wavy hair and have been following the curly girl method for 2 years now. I never learned the method from the book or the website but from other curly girls on TH-cam. I find that for most curly girls that I’ve come across, they only use curly girl approved products and not any of Loraine’s “methods”. I had no idea about her weird methods until this video! Most curly girls are still brushing their hair and using cream stylers!
Hi, I use a version of the curly girl method. I have 4a/4b extremely fine hair. My hair is waist length and thriving. I cowash my hair weekly and finger detangle. Finger detangling does take longer to do, but I have extremely fine strands and after giving up combs I noticed a huge difference in the breakage and no longer have those thin, tapered ends. It is effective for me, but I can see it damaging and matting someones hair if they aren't willing to put the time in, you really can't rush it. My staple style is a wash and go. Somehow, my hair tangles the least in a wash and go state (which seems weird but that's how it is). My hair clumps pretty easily from cowashing and leaving in a thick cream or conditioner. As long as I don't disturb the clumps too much, they stay clumped until my next wash day. I only get bad knots when I do twistouts and stretched styles (probably because my hair can't clump) so I don't do them regularly. I shampoo once a month with sulfates and get deva cuts 2-3x a year to clean up the ends. I do get single strand knots, but they really arent problematic for me if I am consitent with the haircuts. If I go too long without one, I do see an increase in tangling but that's easily fixed.
Fops: Look into my eyes. Me: Tell me what you see. LOL But yeah, My hair and scalp likes me best when I wash it once a week, with shampoo. I use grease *insert gasps and glares* so co-washing ain't gonna do it for me. I don't deep condition every week. I do it every other week. The weeks when I don't, I do leave the rinse out conditioner on for a little while, make me feel like I'm doing something. I don't have the patience to solely finger detangle. I get impatient and start ripping the knots out. Combs and brushes saved my hair. LOL. Plus I hate the feeling fo shed hair on my hands and fingers.
i follow a modified version of the cgm and when i first started it, it completely brought my curls to life! then i started using protein in every one of my products and doing protein treatments every wash, and i became scared of shampooing my hair and drying it out. my hair broke off in clumps, and my scalp was flakey and itchy to the point of burning. for a good 5 months it itched constantly. now i use protein sparingly and shampoo with salicylic acid and citric acid religiously. ive finally gotten to the point where i can detangle wet because my hair isn’t like damn velcro anymore! i can’t wait for my hair to all grow back. i feel like i finally understand my hair. your channel is awesome ❤️
As my picture shows, I have wavy, frizzy gray hair. I came across cgm when I looked up how to untangle a mat of hair I woke up with one day a couple years ago. I read about it and watch a variety of TH-cam videos and I tried different things I saw or read and just did what works. My hair is more defined then ever and that makes me happy. Its a very fascinating journey to say the least! I was never a fan of silicones prior to learning about cgm, so that's nothing new. For some reason they made my hair frizzier. I now know how to use a diffuser, so that's made a huge difference too. I also love learning about all the different types of hair from wavy to kinky. I wish I knew all this after the big hair days of the 80's! Lol....my hair was perfect for that style! From the 90's on, I didn't do a whole lot with my hair except wear it in a ponytail most of the time. Now I know better and can flaunt my beautiful wavy gray hair!! 😊
I totally agree with you about combs and brushes. My fine hair strands are tiny and do not agree with finger detangling. More trouble than it's worth. It encourages mats, frizz, single strand knots and royally f's with my curl pattern.
Chil when I saw the cover of the book I knew it wasn't for me, if I don't see people who look like me it's a no go zone. Your hair is soo pretty, especially like that
I tried it when I first went natural 6 years ago and with short 4A/B/C hair I was able to follow most of the rules. I eventually dropped it to try the maximum hydration method which I feel helped me retain moisture and get curl definition a lot better. It just helped me understand my hair and how it responds to products and which techniques work and don't work. After a few months of MHM I modified considerably and continue change my regimen to as my hair grows longer. I shampoo weekly and alternate between moisture and mild protein deep conditioners. I detangle with a tangler teaser when rinsing out the deep conditioner (never going back to finger detangling). I stay away from silicones unless blowing out my hair. And I style with either twists or a wash & go. Regardless of the regimen I used over the years I have never found my hair difficult to manage. I've learned to listen to my hair and give it what it needs when it needs it.
I don’t follow the CGM. I just took some stuff from the “instructions” and then did what I chose to do lol -no sulfates, silicones, waxes (sulfate fee shampoos, I am not washing with conditioner) -deep condition once a week -lost of scrunching -washing once every 3-5days BUT I use a sulfate shampoo once a month to remove any and all build up then deep condition afterward. I use a brush to spread my products through my hair and clumping my curls after finger detangling. I’m anywhere from 2b - 3b. Depending on how much effort I want to put into styling. I definitely enjoy watching your videos!!!
Hey Fops🖐🏾! Thanks for discussing this topic, although I was never interested in the CGM I still enjoyed hearing your thoughts about it. I knew this method wasn't for me because I love my shampoo.
I have 4a texture. I followed Influencer, Mahogany Curls, who used the curly girl method when I first went natural. My hair grew to waist length. The information you found is different from what I followed.
Thanks for this! Someone else commented this too. It’s lowkey relieving to hear because some of the things I read on that post were troubling. This is exactly why I said I hope whoever is looking to adopt this method buys and reads the book cover to cover because many people will simply look it up online to save money/time and start. Many people have. I pinned the comment with the actual steps from the book so whoever watches this video sees it. The sad thing is naturally curly is one of the biggest natural/curly hair blogs. Which was why I said I’m weary that someone would find that and read it and run with it. Nonetheless, as I responded to the pinned comment with the actual rules, while they do differ from the ones on the naturally curly post, there are still a few things that would simply not work for me - and I have majority 4a hair too. The important thing is always to pay attention and modify as necessary for your own hair. 💓🙏🏽
My hair was completely straight for 41 years of my life and then started changing towards wavy. I am 47 now and am probably 2B/2C. For the longest time I had no idea at all what to do with this new wavy hair, as my old hair products and techniques were not working any longer. So I started to look things up on the internet, and that's how I came across the CGM. But even then, not knowing the first thing about wavy and curly hair, I felt that the CGM was unnecessarily complicated and super restrictive, with some parts of it being positively weird (such as no combing and only co-washing). Also, I have a flaky and itchy scalp, just like Afope mentions in the video, so I really need to wash my hair every day with a special shampoo to prevent this condition, there's just no other choice for me. I'm glad I decided early on that I was not interested in the CGM, because as I can see now it would not have helped me anyway, my hair being wavy and not coily curly (for which this method was originally developed, I guess). Thank you for the video, it's very important for people to know, especially for newbies, that the CGM is not the only option out there and that it's not a holy grail solution for everyone.
I have 4c relaxed hair, and some of the strategies of the CGM are pretty good! The only things I will take from it is the use of wide combs, deep conditioning, adding oils and aloe gel to conditioners, and leave ins. The rest didn't work for me. I feel the best thing I learned is to get to know the ingredients even those difficult chemical words. Your channel help me get into this. These chemicals are not damaging to the hair, they help the hair thrive. Another thing I learned from your channel was the importance of using the shampoo and MATCHING conditioner as their chemical composition are made to work together. Sulfates (for a healthy scalp) and silicones (for slip) are your friends. Before I attempted CGM, Pantene ProV was what I used every week, and my hair would grow to brastrap. Then I went to CGM, and well..... I'm going back to using Pantene ProV. I wish I knew before (CGM) what I know today. I guess we have to use our own discretion.
This, EXACTLY! It has some great tips/principles. But when you're giving specific step by step instructions as a blanket statement for hair solely based on curl pattern (ignoring porosity, coarseness etc.)...that in itself is dicey.
I started taking care of my curly hair after not straightening it for around a year so I had a head start. When I started watching curly hair youtube the cgm was mentioned and I don’t follow it because thankfully I watched you tubers who talked about the pros and cons. I use sulfate shampoo sometimes because it’s just a necessity, however I have a cgm approved shampoo as well. And I use the matching cgm conditioner, with the matching leave in that has a bit of protein. I also might be getting a salt scrub for my own scalp issues that has sulfates, but will use it with a mask. Just showing that when you consider porosity, hair type (2,3,4), strand thickness, hair density, hair needs, past damage, and scalp needs your routine will be unique and using knowledgeable sources and THEN coming to your own conclusion on what you need to do is best
I used to follow this method religiously. But honestly, a full wash/condition every day on top of normal body washing took too much product and energy to sustain in College and later in the work force. I find that the CG method's aim is to create and maintain perfect ringlets. Not all of us have that much money to spend on conditioner. I now wash and condition my hair about once a week (more in summer) and in between I clean it using the Victorian era soft-bristle brush method to remove dandruff, dirt, etc. and a little bit of coconut oil for moisture. It's a VERY different esthetic, but I've really come to appreciate it.
Omg I love your channel! I've always had some issues with the curly hair method precisely because it seems like one size fits all and if there's something that is not like that is curly/coily hair. My hair is incredibly thin, not a lot and super low porosity, however it's a 3b3c but I also have delicate skin. So in theory it should work fine with me, but I live in an area with hard water, as well as other things that would end up making my hair fall and feel odd. I tried this method years ago and eventually realised it's not for me. Some things work, other do not. I love the way you present the info! Since I workout daily and sweat a lot I have to at least use water daily to rinse the sweat dust out, and when I do this I try to massage the scalp. I don't have oily hair but doing this sort of helps me spread the natural oils. I wash it once a week with a sulfate free shampoo but that helps with mineral buildup, and deep condition once a week. But! Every day I use some leave in conditioner and a comb to detangle and spread evenly. I don't wear a lot and if I feel this too much I use an old t-shirt for the excess and air dry. If it's humid I may add some oil/gel, but most of the days I do not. I've tried bar shampoos and they work well but not so much solid conditioners, but since I condition my hair daily with the leave in, and weekly with the deep one, I have to be thorough when cleansing. Also if mid week I feel the scalp needs a shampoo I'll just do it. No method knows your hair more than you!
I have wavy hair and do the cgm. I have changed it a bit, because wavy hair gets easier weighed down than curlier types. I use a sulfate free shampoo instead of a cowash and I couldn't say goodbye to my brush. Every once in a while my hair starts to feel heavy and goopy, that's when I wash with an "normal" sufate shampoo and do a diluted (!) apple cider vinegar rinse. On wash days (this winter) I use dr organic 2 in 1 hemp oil shampoo Novex black deepconditioner Blueberry bliss leave in Syoss keratin mousse And sometimes a drop of oil if I feel like it.
I’ve been doing my own methods my whole life. Then I finally decided to try cgm. I bought deva curl . My hair fell out. Broke off. My scalp burned and broke out......I had to stop. Thank god I did because I was seeing lawsuits against devacurl. I only tried it for a month or 2 and it did a lot of damage. That was late 2019. My hair is still growing out and recovering from devacurl and cgm. Screw that mess! 🤬
I don't disagree with what you're saying just wanted to add that I also heard from people who don't to cgm and only used like one DC product that they had problems so I think there has to be something wrong with the products themselves too
I could never follow the curly girl method, for one I need to use a sulfate shampoo at least twice a month and I hate using cowash, I need hair my hair to feel completely clean after washing, Excellent content as always.
I have what curly girls would call "wavy" hair, though I'm in the upper 2 range. The CGM is definitely only for curlies. Not coily or even wavy. My hair LOVES silicones. To simplify, my hair is closer to the texture of a caucasian toddler, prone to tons of tangles after just hours! I need a coating agent to keep tangles away, and I need sulfates (or at least real shampoo ingredients) to keep my hair from becoming a big greasy mess.
I follow a very modified version because I have to cleanse my scalp and I style right side up so I don’t get tangles and wonky curls. I use sulfate free low poo, silicone free conditioner and deep conditioner, leave in conditioner, and gel for my hip length curls. I use a brush and comb to detangle in the shower, but don’t brush dry. I use some oils occasionally like jojoba oil and I use peppermint oil in my shampoo. I do normal styling and then blow dry on a cool setting so my hair isn’t wet and getting damaged as long. I’ve learned a lot over the past 4 years and my hair is finally growing and long. I was stuck at shoulder length and now my curls are hip length when pulled straight. I haven’t had split ends in years since starting and modifying the curly girl method. And I get a trim every year or two. Oh and I shampoo and condition and style twice a week.
I really liked this video and I know I am a bit late to the game, but it's still relevant! I have been looking at different ways to handle my unruly wavy hair and fell on CGM and on this video. One thing I dislike about CGM is that it sort of has this 'holier than thou' aura since it purports to get you healthy hair with usually "green", "clean", low poo products that are sulfate-free and silicone-free! The no poo movement is sort of the same. The message is always sulfates bad, toxic, evyl, polluting! I tried low poo before it was a thing and it gave me a bad scalp condition. I tried CGM's mechanical suggestions (finger detangling, squish to condish, that kind of stuff) and I ended up pulling out more hair than I ever have while in the shower. Once out of the shower, I looked like a frizz ball, which takes some doing because my hair usually lies flat on my scalp and coils or waves anywhere from above the ear to just past my neck. That was the only thing I was interested in out of the whole CGM. Co-washing is a terrible idea if you have an oily scalp like me, low poo is terrible for the same reasons (and even worse if you have hard water). Honestly, in my view the best message they send out is to adapt to your curls, waves, coils, and try to find what works out best for them and not to straighten them away as soon as they appear. This is a good lesson for me because my mother and grandmother both had "frizzy hair" and thus forced straight hair onto me to "fit in" to what they believed was socially acceptable.
I have wavy-curly medium porosity hair and about to bleach it again in ballyage so I’m preparing for high porosity. I’m not being too tough on myself trying to follow the strictest rules and got lucky with a more relaxed and very inclusive Facebook group. Though Massey has been adding new rules and coincidentally is now selling products. I have a sensitive scalp and a hella crazy number of allergies, so I’ve been trying to use more simple products - I’ve only been doing CG for a month but have been using less harsh products for about two years and having good success. My process is: Sulfate free shampoo, CGM approved conditioner (comb out curls and knots), then while my hair is sodden and wet add a leave in conditioner, curl cream and gel. Through ‘prayer hands’ to apply, then scrunch up to curl. Then I plop it up in a microfibre towel, then diffuse or air dry. Lastly when hair is completely dry I ‘scrunch out the crunch’ from the gel. Sleep in a silk bonnet or on a silk pillowcase with your hair in a pineapple to maintain curls. Done!
Great video as usual I'm really loving your content ❤️😍 I haven't followed the curly girl method because it was contradictive to Everything that has been working for my fine type 4 hair. Also, what do you think about D.I.Y gelatin protein treatment as an alternative to the Aphogee. Is it a myth or a good choice for when you can't find an actual protein Treatment, which is what is happening to me right now!! 😂😂😂
My understanding is that proteins particles/molecules found in food are too big to penetrate rhe hair shaft and you actually need hydrolyzed proteins....only a hydrolyzed protein can penetrate the hair shaft ☺ correct me if am wrong. And that's why even with ayurvedic powders like henna or fenugreek you still a protein treatment because what these powders do is COAT and strengthen the hair mimicking a protein treatment ❤
@@jackywairegi2316 Thanks Jacky. What you said makes a lot of sense. I was just really hoping that this D.I.Y would help since I can't access a real hair protein treatment at the moment, but it's all good. Thanks again for your comment ❤️😍
sciencedirect.com states that: "Gelatin is one type of protein produced by the partial hydrolysis of native collagen. Depending on the process used, two types of gelatin, namely type A (acid hydrolysis) and type B (alkaline hydrolysis) are generally obtained." So Gelatin is partially hydrolyzed collagen which might prove beneficial as a heavier protein. I remember reading that in a science hair blog also mentioned this fact and had a recipe for a gelatin protein treatment.
@LoveLeiRoots GIRL! COME THROUGH WITH THAT SCIENCE!! 100% spot on. @Reem, I would say you should try it for sure and see how it works. Collagen tends to work really well for fine textured hair and being a derivative of collagen, gelatin can still do a good job for your hair. Let us know how it goes?
@@loveleiroots2264 I did some googling after reading your comment and I have a feeling that this is the blog you're talking about lol science-yhairblog.blogspot.com/2014/04/gelatin-protein-treatment-recipe-update.html. I also came across this and it looks promising. patents.google.com/patent/US5711943A/en Thanks for the information!!!!
Okay so I have “ curly” hair that’s 3b with some 3c in the middle and the CG method for the most part did not work for me, yea it works for the LOOK of your hair but not the health or length. It’s basically all just a wash n go tutorial ( at best ). The best thing I ever did for my hair was wash it every 7-10 days with an actual shampoo ( still sulfate free tho, recommend mielle rosemary mint shampoo) , deep condition ( in place of regular conditioning ) and wear my hair stretched. My preferred methods are a roller set or I wear 6 cornrows as a style then wear the braid out the remaining of the 10 days. Once a month I use an old fashion mayo, egg, avocado oil hair mask and my hair is sprouting out of my head rn and I’ve been able to minimize my shedding by a ton. I still use a brush in the shower btw I just use it in sections and kinda lightly finger detangle FIRST If my hairs super knotted
I've been washing my hair with Dr Bronner's since I was six years old. It has no sulfates. I'm Anglo-Indian with coarse curly dry hair. I use amla oil in my hair. I wash my hair usually one a week. I had had down to the top of my thighs until I was 24. I've had it halfway down my back to waist length ever since. Right now at 59, it's halfway down my back, white with no grey and I dye it various shades of purple. Right now it's lavender. I use traditional Indian hair methods and it keeps my hair in good shape.
I love this video so refreshing 😍. I do finger detangling but definitely don't do wash and go's, scrunch my hair as Lorraine says 😂 or cowash. It is the worst thing for my hair period. Not doing the curly girl method has helped keep them fairy knots at bay massively👌🏾
I read this book a few years ago. I have 3a, 3b, 3C Jewish Sephardi hair. My hair can look like the author's, for one hour, until the humidity takes over and the do is done - time for single braid. I wish all the book was applicable, but only parts are. I shampoo and condition once a week and condition once a week. I box braid, or single braid, after wet hair in shower twice a week- with gel and styling crème, air dry, and wear for two days, unwind, and then pony tail or half up and half down for two days. Chelating prepoo to remove minerals sounds like a good idea and I must research this. So does water soluble silicon if it can fight humidity. I am ready to buy a bangs hair piece for humid days. The book part I do not follow is to dry cut to follow the curl pattern. My curls change every styling period. And, no hair dresser I have gone to will do dry cut except for bangs.
The curly girl method isn't all that for wavy/curly hair as well... it depends a LOT on THE STATE OF THE HAIR ...I have fine hair, 2c-3a...it's colour treated and high porosity. I tried the curly girl method, and everyone in those 'community's' said 'to hold on... have patience... it's transmission-fase'. It's not. I've read tons of information, watched video's, and I just want to say that CGM might work for some hairtypes... ... but for finer high porosity hair it's definately a no-go: hair looses it's body, it gets more limp, droopy, overmoisturized etc. I'm glad that ' the other side is shown' more often, while there's no 'one size fits all' programm for hair. Thanks for bringing this up clearly.
I have ultra-fine and high porosity hair but because it is Type 4c super tight pen-spring curl pattern nothing weighs it down except a ton of mousse, gel, Got2be glue and hair spray, and a tight headscarf overnight or a few hours. It just loves to spring upwards and fly away. Curly girl method also doesn't allow for shrinkage so that's why a lot of naturals say wash-and-go's do not work on nappy hair aka type 4.
I haven't use harsh sulfates or silicones for around 5 years and my hair and scalp had never been better I cleanse my hair around once every 10 days that is when I start to feel like I am getting somewhat little greasy scalp. My hair is long 3B/C almost to my bum in the Curly state. Also I have dyed my hair 1 year ago for the first time and my hair is healthy.
I follow CGM, though modified - I brush after finger detangling. Also when I diffuse- I use medium heat. Cold is just ridiculous. I would say that my curl pattern changed drastically after pregnancy from 3b/c to 2c-3b. Also have very fine, low density, lowish porosity hair. The CGM helped me reset my hair health. I started with co-washing and quickly figured it is not for me. So I alternate with a lo-poo and non-harsh sulfate containing shampoo. I went from dry stretched out hair that looked like 2b waves to my current pattern because of hydration which the method helped me achieve. Since starting I retried introducing silicones and drying alcohol (texturizer) and honestly my hair felt drier afterwards. So I just leave it out. I use oils (jojoba) for sealing and Scalp massage and pre-poo (homemade mix). I try to deep condition every weekend and generally wash twice a week and dry detangle at least once in a wash cycle. I have modified it so much, but it was a great starting point.
I have 3C, 4A and 4B fine hair (with low density). Maybe some 4C hidden in the mix. The 4s are concentrated on my crown and the 3S on my temple and my nape. I started following the CGM in 2014. I bought the book and a denman brush from Amazon. I thoroughly read the book and watch the cd included in it. I did not follow all the rules to a T: I used Aussie conditioner and the brush. I was doing my hair everyday during the summer and once/twice a week during winter. I even went to a Devachan salon in NY twice (2017 and 2018) but I never got the dry cut (long story). I bought the no poo shampoo at the salon. I still have some left, I do not care about it. Now, my hair curls right away with some water because of that curl training. If I scrunch/plop the coily part of my hair, it turns into corkscrews. People have stop me in the street asking me how I curl my hair like that. During the quarantine, I mixed the CGM with the Dickey method. I have actually pin point a hair regimen that works every time and is cheap (drugstore brands). It includes a clarifyng shampoo (once a week) that is very gentle and a silicony conditioner (TRESemmé). I have learn some much about my hair: my 4s are the ones controlling the curl and the shape of my hairsyle. The 4s do not grow very fast, the 3s grow like weed. Every year I have to cut the nape so I do not end up with a mullet! It is a good method if you are willing to customize it to your hair needs and not follow it like a dogma. It has taken me 6 years but I have finally learn to love my hair. (sorry for the long post)
This is DEDICATION! I love that you used it as a guideline/template to help you figure out what works best for your hair. This approach is the healthiest/wisest (in my opinion). It's amazing that you stuck with it and now it's paying off. Not many people would be that patient 😭👌🏾
Wow so after watching this video, I realize that I also do not follow the curly girl method. For anyone who may need tips or help, I have what I believe to be a combination of type 4a and maybe a touch of 4b. My hair is medium density and normal to high porosity with bleached ends if you can tell by my profile picture. I don't think I use shampoo with silicone cause I use the main brands like Carol's Daughter and some black owned brands and I feel like they don't use silicone. My wash days for the most part are weekly unless I get lazy. I alternate between a cowash day and a shampoo day. Because my hair has always been high porosity even before the bleach, I use protein rich products biweekly as well. EVERY SINGLE WASH DAY I deep condition, regular condition and use a leave in. PERIODT. also if I'm coming from a wash and go, sometimes I use my aussi moist conditioner as a pre poo/detangler because it's cheap so you can use a lot of it and it's effective. For wash and go's I use a leave-in, a moisturizer ( my favorite is frobutter) and I typically use the gels from mane choice because they make my hair feel moistized. My favorites are the tropical moringa braid out glaze and the do it fro the culture buttery gel. I do subscribe to wide tooth combs and my Denman brush bit I recently bought the EZ drtangler so TBD on that one. My main style of choice for the winter is a twist out to keep my ends protected for the most part. The twists are usually like medium sized. Hope this helps someone!
I was h my hair once a week and condition five-six days a week. Sometimes I leave my hair alone for a day. I use a conditioner that is curly girl approved and I've given up on shampoos. I just use something that looks fine. I stopped deep conditioning my hair because the deep conditioner because I stopped using all products that had things on my allergen list.
I’m Indian with extremely high porosity hair from years of damage and harsh shampoos. Recently tried gels and they worked amazingly in summers. But now that it’s winter, I’m having a hard time with dry hair yet again. Could you share some home gel or cream recipes for winters? I wonder when you’ll upload next
The CG method was a godsend for my sister and I a few years ago. Our mother is white with pin straight hair, our black dad kept his hair so short curls wouldn't even form, we're in a different country from the rest of our black family, we grew up pre internet, and we lived in literally the whitest city in America (google it, it's not what you think). I didn't learn what a leave-in conditioner was until my early 20s. I didn't know what a twist our or wash-and-go or protective styles meant. I just knew (or thought) I had bad, dry, frizzy hair and that was that. I had already chopped off all my hair when I stumbled upon the CG book. My sister cried when she saw the pictures of girls with hair like hers. It's been 5 or 6 years since I found that book and while my sister and I (I'm 29 with 3B-3C curls and my sister is 25 with 3C-4A) don't follow the CG method anymore, it was the first time anyone taught us how to take care of our curls and that we didn't have "bad hair". Now if only I could find someone in this damn city (still living in the whitest city) who can cut curls properly. 32 inches is too much damn hair lol
Thanks sis for great content. I'm always looking forward to your videos. I'm new a newbie and your videos have helped me choose products that work for ME. Still discovering though. Looking forward to the next video
I follow several curly influencers. I enjoy watching a variety of beautiful 🤩 curly ladies so I follow black, white, and Latina. They ALL use a comb and/brush. Only one of my ladies boo-woo’s silicones and I just ignore that part of her chatter. What I gained from watching these gals (besides great pleasure 🥰) are wonderful product recommendations. I am such a product junkie. I have learned helpful techniques. I used to be SO LAZY. I never deep conditioned my hair. I wouldn’t section my hair when I applied my styling products. I didn’t know that layering styling products could help with definition. My Great 2020 lesson: a hard hold gel cast can be scrunched out later, so I don’t have frizz!! 🤣🤣
I just found your channel. While I have wavy hair, your science based info is great for all hair types. One confusing thing for me is hair porosity. Do you have a video on identifying hair porosity properly?
I have to admit, learning about the curly girl method helped me so much to learn how to take care of my wavy hair. My mum always wanted it straight and made me brush it really roughly... after i learned about gcm i started using a broad toothed comb which i now use very carefully. and i use much less shampoo and sometimes only use conditioner. I am so much more happier with my hair now. However, i never really adopted the gcm itself. I don't find it suitable for my hairtype.
My first failed transition with type 3 hair using the cgm caused so much build up. I transitioned the second time not using it and my scalp is actually healthier than when I had straight hair
Yeah after fallowing the CGM for nearly 15 years I've decided to stop. I did see a HUGE difference in my hair but I think it's time to try something different. But I will continue to use co-washes for my daughter just because she is 7 so her hair doesn't get that dirty nor do I use products in it.
I never read the book, only blogs and YT videos, but I did modify the CGM for me...honestly I fist saw already modified CGM routine, so I never thought about just cowashing or not brushing. I use non-sulfate shampoo, cowash is not good for my waves. I also brush my hair, in shower, with conditioner. Cant go without brushing. I clarify (sometimes even with sulfate!) each month and follow with a good deep conditioner. I dont airdry, I prefer diffusing for the sake of my scalp. I guess I follow the general rule of not combing dry hair and using some styling so I dont look like Hagrid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
To be honest the curly girl method made hair care more stressful and less beneficial for wavy hair. My hair was dry, frizzy and oily. Using more techniques from natural, asian, and native american hair care methods seemed to nourish my hair more so than a lot of recommendations I've been seeing so far.
I used the curly girl method and it wrecked my hair. I mainly just used Wen and have 2c hair. I thought that cowashing was the best thing for my hair so I didn't use shampoo for months. Then I studied abroad in Rome, where they have hard water. My hair texture went from being nice and soft to feeling like hay despite never heat styling it. I went to a hairdresser and they said my hair's porosity was so high that I needed to grow it all out and cut it off. At the time, my goal was to grow my hair out and I wasn't able to retain any length for years. Thankfully, with a lot of hair masks and time, I've been able to grow out my hair down to my hips. I started in 2014 with chin-length hair. I had to re-transition in 2016, when I had bra-strap length hair. It's crazy how much quicker I would have achieved hip length hair if I hadn't used wen or CGM.
Man oh man. lol! My trichologists do not like applying pure oils or butters but that is for me with my sensitive allergic scalp. However, they already formulate their products with the right amount of oils and butters added so I don't use additional on my scalp or hair daily. I might put some on my frizzy ends once or twice a week or use and oil as a 30-minute pre-poo...I can't leave it on my scalp for long periods. it all depends on your scalp and hair type. The funny thing is no one every actually quotes directly from the book. The first book says you can use a sulfate free botanical cleanser instead of conditioner so I was using sulfate free organic shampoo but everyone else cut out all shampoo. *face palm*
@@marleyhill34 Oh I see. The tale grows taller down the line. Ha ha. I never read any of her books but all of a sudden there is a discussion about no oils and butters. 🤨
@@TracyD2 There is a lot of discussion on the internet about hair and I read actual books or blogs by scientists and cosmetologists. People take things out of context. Most of our hair products have oil and butter added to them already. It might be from this video: th-cam.com/video/bJyQ223iNQs/w-d-xo.html But like she said a lot of products marketed as "oil" when you turn around and read the ingredients list it has silicone in it. If you are going to use silicone you need a shampoo that will breakdown the silicone but everyone is still stuck on the "let's not use shampoo bandwagon" I have never stopped using shampoo. In fact, it was my trichologists who told me to shampoo weekly either with a gentle sulfate or a non-sulfate shampoo with enough surfactants and EDTA/citric acid.
Well... I'm 3a (Guess... My hair is unclear texture, very fine, it's almost straight from the scalp, then two inches or so of a wavy and after that is very well curly, like big coils)
I think the curly girl method is originally ment for people who grew up thinking they have straight hair or "just frizzy" hair, and who have no idea how to take care of curly hair/don't know anyone who does. I am one of these people. I don't follow the whole thing, but I kept some things that made sense to me and it was a good starting point.
I'm curious: I have wavy hair that I have been straightening for +15 years. About a year ago I wanted to start wearing my natural hair. At first I thought that the curly girl method was the only way to do it 'properly'.. The part about not brushing really turned me off and I couldn't do it. Would you recommend brushing your hair when it's dry? I feel like my hair looks like a hot mess when I don't brush it during the day. Anyways, I was just wondering if some people with curly or coily hair would brush dry hair as that seems counterintuitive. I really enjoy your channel even though I have a completely different hair texture from you! A pleasure to watch ☺️😍
I have 2c/3a type curls and I couldn't go with the CGM. The cowash was way too much for my medium to fine strands and leaving the conditioner in left my hair even more weighed down. Finger detangling left my hair forming dreads, and airdrying provided me no definition. Furthermore I need more products that just gel to hold my curl and locking in the moisture.
The curly girl method completely ruined my hair. I was commiting to going heatless and decided to let my natural curls shine through. I eliminated silicone and sulfates and cut my hair so my curl pattern would be enhanced. I have very fine hair and i will admit that I did not take any other necessary steps to preserving the health of my hair. It's been almost 2 years and my hair just keeps. Breaking. Off. Higher and higher to the point where I don't know if cutting it off will do anything. The curls are out of control on the under layers on my hair and there is no texture on the exterior. I look like a sewer rat out of the shower. Silicone conditioner is giving me breakouts on my body so I have been putting it in after I shower. There isn't enough to braid. There isn't enough to put up. I don't want to chop it but I think I have to.
I have type 3 hair and even I’m giving Lorraine the side eye 🤣 finger detangling is a no for me I tried and I’m not here for it so I cannot imagine her recommending this for coilies
I have 4b & 4c hair and honestly, wash and goes are bad for me. I end up with so many fairy knots it's ridiculous. Usually, I end up having to cut the fairy knots out. For this reason, I tend to stay with styles that will allow me to keep my hair stretched. Even though wash and goes don't work for me, they may work for others.
@Bree Gee - the tighter your coils are the more prone to knotting and tangles they are. It'll be very hard to minimize that if your hair is constantly in a wash n go. It may not make so much of a difference for looser curls/waves...but late 3's/type 4 hair for sure will retain more length with stretched styles/styles where their ends are kept away/kept from coiling up on themselves, than if it were always on a wash n go.
I react to so many innocuous everyday ingredients like parabens and sulfates. I have to buy my skincare from Korea since they use different preservatives as a standard there. I also have always wanted curls. I’m a month in to CGM (modified) and enjoying it. Mainly it’s a chance to take care of myself and see what sort of results I can get.
Honestly I think most people who “follow” the curly girl method actually just kind of loosely follow it. Most of us use curly girl approved products most of the time and then do reset washes every so often with sulfate shampoos to get rid of build up. Some of us also still use heat or bleach/dye. Almost all of us use some kind of comb or brush. I think the curly girl method is a good place to start, but it absolutely is not a hard and fast rule for everyone. Everyone should do what works for them honestly
LOL!!!! Girl! When you looked up Lorraine's hair I cackled lol
Sis! I almost collapsed. 😭
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😂 I was like mmmmmm not surprised because these instructions ain’t it.
@@Caliashante 🤣
Me too!😅
The thing about the CGM that rly gets me is the no comb and brush part. Like gurll come on.Aint nobody got time or patience to be finger detangling. I NEED my tangle teezer😭🤦🏽♀️
Shall we all just be honest with ourselves..I have patience for a lot of things: braiding my hair for 16 hours, editing one YT video for 14 hours, waiting for newly painted walls to dry...
finger detangling is not one of them. Having all my loose hairs stick to my hands when I'm trying to moisturise/style after washing and conditioning has got to be in my TOP 5 pet peeves. No ma'am.
Afope Atoyebi honestly 😭Finger detangling is just not something I’m willing to make time for.
The Tangle Teaser wasn’t invented yet when she wrote the book 25 years ago 😉
@@RebekkaHay hmm you make a good point!
@@RebekkaHay I mean, they could recommend another brush. It's all about how careful you are. The tangle teezer is not a miracle solution if people are still ripping through their hair
I read and used most of the curly girl method. It made my 4a/b curls pop. I modified it though cuz some parts didn’t make sense. I use sulfate free shampoo due to my scalp getting build up super easy and I use the Felicia leatherwood brush for detangling. From my experience her tips work but use common sense when you see that your hair is responding well to cowashing only or having way too many single strand knots. There is nothing wrong with modifying to your hair needs!
This is EXACTLY what I'm saying. No matter who is giving advice on how to handle your hair (myself included), apply common sense. If it doesn't make sense for you - trash it. If it works, keep it. But some of these steps... girl...
Wait, I have many single knots.. I have never seen this or when I show it to someone nobody understands that.. I don't follow the CGM method, Can u tell me what to do..??
that article shows just how much people with non-coily hair completely misunderstand and even unfairly stereotype coily hair! like assuming everyone with coily hair has a dry scalp or the same porosity, level of damage, etc. that article over-simplifies pretty much everything about hair, but the coily hair tips as you showed are clearly the worst. it just goes to show how important it is for coily hair education to be done by people with coily hair!
the auto generated subtitles when she starts listing chemicals "sdlfo qlkesifm sd;lldis sla;dslkei" youtube needs to study up on it's chemsitry lol
The educated and sophisticated read HUN-TY!!!! I loved it!!! The info here is so good. Being that I still consider myself new to my natural hair, its good to see that the CGM isnt necessarily for everyone. Sometimes it feels like if you're not doing things a certain way that you're doing it wrong. So grateful for those video and the info it provided. I'm starting to see a lot more videos like this that shows there aren't "rules" as long as you're listening to your hair and doing what works!
😭😂😭 You're so spot on, sis. There are really no "rules" per se. The best I can do is provide/present information that has been tried, tested, or proven. But hair is not a monolith, so it's still up to each individual to apply common sense to this information first, before they apply it to their hair. It just pains me that there are still people out there who are so frustrated with trying to understand their hair that they end up trying things that do their hair a disservice - by which point the damage may be irreversible.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 The new girls need this. I realized way back this wasnt for me. But this was the go to method when I first went natural.
It's definitely one of the most popular options out there so for sure newbies need to be informed so they can either choose to modify accordingly or do without entirely.
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Actually CGM is absolutely wrong for the wavy textured hair as wavy hair is often growing from normal or oily scalps and those types of scalps should never cowash, just use a normal, sulfate containing shampoo and alternate those with low poos.
Hi! I have wavy hair, could you explain a little more?
@@bewitched2918 explain what exactly? As a wavy you should not follow strict cgm, it is not meant for wavies, follow what works for your hair, use the normal shampoo if your hair likes it, whatever conditioner and products help it and forget about cowashing - it is WRONG method and leads to hair loss
@@orangefox5121 Oh, I'm doing well, then, I use a clarifiying shampoo once a month, a low poo, conditioner every day that I wash my hair, a mask once a week and a Deep conditioner too (not every week)
Also I have a Dry Scalp
Thank you very much for your answer!
Yeahhhh exactly.. same
I tried the co wash thing b4 cowashes were on the market an bay bae my hair was a dry frizzy mess!
I quickly went back to old school staples shampoo and conditioner every week.
🤦🏾♀️😭 Dear Lord. The important thing is that you made the right decision for YOU. If it's not working, it's not working.
I got excited when I woke up and saw you uploaded 😁 science geek here, love your videos
!!! 🥳💃🏾 Thanks girl!
I have 3c/4a hair and I avoid mineral oils, parabens, sulfates, silicones, phthalates, and waxes. There are so many products from Black owned brands like Soultanicals and Natty Naturals. I wash and deep conditioner my hair once a week. I also finger detangle. Hope that helps.
LOVE LOVE LOVE Soultanicals! Wish it was easier to come by over here. The bits of the method you've taken are sensible ones - they make sense, but I have a couple questions: how dense is your hair? and does to blot drying with the cupping also work for your hair?
Afope Atoyebi i have low density and fine strands. I usually wet plop with a T-shirt turban. But I have scrunched out excess water with no issues. I do tend to experience tangles when I do wash and gos for a week at a time. Less tangles when I have twists in.
I'm one of those who saw a few videos about CGM and jumped on the bandwagon. I'm a 2C but my hair never felt conditioned enough, I had lots of build up, and developed seborreric dermaritis which I'm still fighting. It's not for everyone, especially if you have hard water.
The curly girl Method was created for one size fits all and in reality hair isn't one size fits all. We all have different hair and different needs.
Straight facts on hair having different needs
When you said “Hey Siri,” it got activated on my iPad!!😆I’m a wavy/curly girl but I enjoy your channel!
Haahahha, this kept happening to me too when I was editing 😭😂 Thanks for the love! Have you tried the CG method?
Afope Atoyebi that’s too funny! I’ve been doing the cgm since January of 2019 with mostly bad hair days! I just recently gave up on it...but then decided to give it one more try and ended up having great results. So I think I’ll keep going with it! I live in Florida so I have to make it work with the humidity! The Ouidad climate control gel worked great for me. I have some hilarious pics of what happens to my hair!
I've NEVER did the cg method bcus if you look at the pics it let you know it wasn't for us!
But I know ppl who did this for yrs but there curls were not kinky.
It did come across like the coily hair considerations were an afterthought :/
I'm wavy but very soon stopped following CGM as I just can't co-wash. I have dermatitis and my scalp got quickly itchy. Nevertheless my hair was constantly greasy at the roots. There was no way of not brushing my hair - I literally had a rat nest, it looked absolutely awful (fine extremely dense hair here). Also, towel dried hair styling doesn't work for me, my hair needs to be soaking wet to look good after. I'm not able to air dry my hair unless it's hot summer day and even then it takes me about an hour to dry. So, no, thanks. Not for wavy hair either.
hii, I have wavy hair and like many have discovered that past summer quarantine as all my life before I always straight blow dried it. It looked frizzy often but I thought it’s just me having frizzy hair. I like the idea of waves but I haven’t been able to make it work beyond wash day. Do you brush your hair after washing? How do you style it in the morning? Mine looked like a rat’s nest and after fall started I went back to straightening it. Any tips?
Yeah, the CGM is bad for wavy hair..
Soon after following it you get build up of conditioning product (because it's not so unheard of for wavy hair to also be low porosity) and the method just isn't it..
Our hair also ends up insanely tangled without brushing whatsoever because it's usually on the longer side than coily hair is..
I tried it for a bit and ditched it.
It figured it too clean beautyesque and unnatural product phobic..
Built on misinformation.
The part where they said not to wash out conditioner out of wavy hair completely was red flag no. 1 for me when I first started.
Same with the sensitive scalp developing dermatitis. used organic shampoo instead for a while.
@@melz6625 Hi, so I have 2C-3A hair mostly (though you'll find the random 2B and 3B in parts of my hair) and I do a modified cgm. I use a sulfate free shampoo most wash days, and I wash my hair typically after 4-5 days. I do the squish to condish method after shampooing with a conditioner, and I finger detangle at that time to get the big tangles out since I don't brush throughout the week. Then I apply a leave in conditioner to my soaking wet hair - depending on your hairs thickness, density, and porosity you may need to experiment with what type of leave in conditioner will provide the most softness and moisture while not being too heavy. Once the leave in is applied, I brush through with a denman brush (doesn't have to be a denman, could just be a plain old wide toothed comb) to get any of the smaller tangles out. Then I apply my gel - I absolutely adore spray gels! They don't weigh my hair down as much or give me too much definition at the expense of volume. Once I've applied enough of the gel I scrunch, making sure to flip my hair around so I'm getting every spot. Once I'm satisfied with the scrunching, I plop my hair for a few minutes with a microfiber towel so it isn't soaking, then diffuse until dry. There should be a gel cast at this point that you must scrunch out - use a tiny amount of a light oil (argan or jojoba are usually good choices) to scrunch out the crunch. I do need to refresh daily, but usually I just use steam and maybe a bit of gel or leave in to smooth out the tangled frizzy parts. My hair health has been so much better once I started treating it this way, I never knew my hair could fork actual thick ringlets :)
Girl you truly know wtf you are talking about and I'm here for it! AfrikanHairGod sent me here and I'm thanking him on his next live! ❤️
Don't forget the age of this book. All information has an expiration date as new information approves or disproves it. Idk anyone now that follows the cg method to the letter.
Hi folks, I’ve coily textured hair and I’ve been using the CGM and it’s been doing wonders for my hair.
Said no one ever
I have 2b-3a hair so definitely on the wavy side. I very loosely follow certain. But I wash twice a week, always detangle with a wet brush, diffuse my hair and wash with a sulfate shampoo every 3-4 weeks. I feel like my routine is much more similar to many others who “follow” cgm even if they have much curlier hair. I love that you go into the science behind everything
It sounded like Lorraine would look like that. Even though my sister’s name is Lorraine I knew this Lorraine would not look like me and her 😊 sounds like they threw in that kinky part, to get more people to buy the book and they interviewed someone to use buzz words but they have no clue really. Thank you for breaking it down sis 💯
I'm literally crying of laughter remembering how I felt when I found her bio. Your sentiments were mine exactly. It clearly works really well for wavy/curly hair, but it's okay if it's not for coily hair. We'll be alright without it 😭
@@AfopeAtoyebi I hear you keep saying that it's good for wavy hair, and I can assure you fully that it is not! If you have an oily scalp you're in for a rough time with CGM. If you have a scalp condition due to oily scalp, you're in for an even rougher time! If you are wavy and oily, co-washing is a bad idea.
Also finger detangling in the shower even with conditioner might work for some people, but not for me! I pulled out a lot of hair by trying this. I think it depends on the porosity of your hair whether you can do this kind of detangling. I have to do it when my hair is dry or else I yank too much hair out.☺
Legit your channel saved my hair I like how you go through things versus just saying do this or just blanketing all hair types and porosity into one box. Just these tips alone have helped me so much and my hair is already thanking me!
MY HAIR IS 3B,C. I roller set my hair and occasionally relaxed it my whole life. I wanted an easier way to care for my hair when I travel so I looked into just letting it dry. What a frizzy mess! then I read Massey’s book. I never did true co-washing with regular conditioner because that just didn’t make sense to me. I use co-washes like As I Am, deep condition every other week, clarify once a month, and use a variety of styling products. I’ve been doing it for a year now and my hair is healthier than it has ever been with lots of soft ringlets. I enjoy experimenting with different products. It’s like a new hobby. I’ve always washed once a week so no change there. I’ve been avoiding silicones, but after watching your videos I may relax on that a little. I learned so much from CGM about how to care for my natural hair, but I also feel free to modify it to suit me. What started as a plan for travel hair has become the new me!
I really enjoy your videos and how you base what you say on science.
LOVE THIS! Many if not all the comments I've read on using the cg method for type 3-4 hair state that they've been modified. This puts me more at ease because it's always ideal for people to shape the method to suit them, and not vice versa - that's where issues arise. Thanks Anita!
Afope Atoyebi Some of the CGM groups on Facebook are like a cult. They will ban you for even asking a question about shampoo or brushing. I was fortunate that the first group I found was called CGM, Uncensored. They will teach you about the method, share their experiences, but then say to do what works for you. The members range from barely wavy to kinky.
Anita Wallace I’m glad it has worked for so many people, but it becomes a problem when you can’t accept the idea that it may not necessarily work equally well for everyone.
Lemme just say I have wavy hair, like 2b/2c and I tried this and it no ways worked for me and just screwed up my scalp. I had dull limp hair from to much product, or too little product and had acne on my scalp. My hair ended up being dry because it wasn’t retaining moisture because I live where it’s cold and dry and actually need products with silicone. Also I always looked like a troll because suddenly my wide tooth comb was the devil. So I don’t know really who the heck CGM is supposed to be for because it ain’t my jam.
I see a lot of natural hair stylists on twitter who claim that people only need a shampoo, conditioner, and a gel in their hair and I was so weirded out, and seeing it on the cgm I'm even more weirded out! GEL WITH NO MOISTURE????
Sounds similar to what the Black Girl Curls ladies, who are licensed cosmetologists, have said. They modified the curly girl methodology several years ago to make it applicable to kinkier hair types and it's been enabling many of their clients to wear wash and gos. They also are big time promoters of doing ones hair in 1 hr as opposed to the 8hr wash day many of us have become accustomed to hearing promoted throughout these TH-cam streets. I don't know a lot about it but have been getting as much info as I can to see if this is something I might want to try in the future. Would love to hear Fop's opinion on their take on natural hair.
I have type 4 high porosity hair and only use one product for my wash and go’s and yes I regularly use only gel! Works a treat.
Interesting enough I’d gone into a beauty shop and a white sales lady suggested ouidads gel that had rave reviews and when I asked which leave-in it comes with it she looked puzzled and said it works great on its own and why make life harder on myself by using multiple products... I was shook at the logic but it actually gave me pause and made me think. So I tried it by itself and it was one of the best wash and gos I’ve had. Mind you I co wash every other day and shampoo once a week. Ive also had a couple of keratin treatments in the last year so there’s that... My go to gels are: “ouidad advanced climate control heat and humidity gel” and “ Curl Gel Humid Weather Clever”. Sometimes I get away with just using a foam for my wash and go! I only use .the brand product “Clever Curl Wonderfoam” for this.
You have to remember that the *water is the moisture* so when I do my styling in the shower I saturate my sectioned hair with water then go in and coat/rake the gel into my strands to lock the water or moisture in place. If I’m doing the styling out of the shower I use my spray bottle of water to spray down the hair, working in sections and then go in with the gel to coat and rake it through my hair. This works well if you’re not using sulphates, silicones, minerals etc in your hair products to begin with because it gives your hair a good foundation to retain the moisture/water.
@@britjj5126 do you live in a warm or cold climate? It's in the single digits in my area right now. I just tried a wash and go a few weeks ago, and I didn't like it. But I did use a leave in with the gel that I used so maybe that was the issue. I also heard that people who do gel only wash and gos use two gels to style their hair, one of which is usually a botanical gel.
As soon as I use up my product stash, which is enough to last me for about a year (with washing my hair 1-2x a week on average), I definitely will try this out. It's just that I had FOMO as a result of watching TH-camrs making videos for years and not being in the financial position to afford to purchase many of them. Either because I was living in an expensive city or was unemployed, or not making much money when I started working. For the same reason going to a hairstylist was the last thing on my list since I could manage taking care of my own hair. So once I saw all the pre-black Friday and Black Friday sales last year I went a little overboard, buying a bunch of new stuff to try. I rationalized spending all that money on the fact that I don't go to the salon. At least several of the things I have used are high quality and some of them are salon products that were recommended by cosmetologists on this platform.
@@ChristsChemist hehe I’m a bit of product junkie myself but been trying to reign it in. I live in Australia and often get the dry, scorching heat! Thankfully I live in an area that experiences all the seasons. Currently it’s summer and although we experience dry heat it does get humid from time to time. My hair grows the most in summer so I take advantage of this by wearing wash and go’s.
My trichologists would scream no. You need a detangler and a leave-in "protector" i.e. leave-in conditioner.
I have wavy hair and have been following the curly girl method for 2 years now. I never learned the method from the book or the website but from other curly girls on TH-cam. I find that for most curly girls that I’ve come across, they only use curly girl approved products and not any of Loraine’s “methods”. I had no idea about her weird methods until this video! Most curly girls are still brushing their hair and using cream stylers!
Hi, I use a version of the curly girl method. I have 4a/4b extremely fine hair. My hair is waist length and thriving. I cowash my hair weekly and finger detangle. Finger detangling does take longer to do, but I have extremely fine strands and after giving up combs I noticed a huge difference in the breakage and no longer have those thin, tapered ends. It is effective for me, but I can see it damaging and matting someones hair if they aren't willing to put the time in, you really can't rush it. My staple style is a wash and go. Somehow, my hair tangles the least in a wash and go state (which seems weird but that's how it is). My hair clumps pretty easily from cowashing and leaving in a thick cream or conditioner. As long as I don't disturb the clumps too much, they stay clumped until my next wash day. I only get bad knots when I do twistouts and stretched styles (probably because my hair can't clump) so I don't do them regularly. I shampoo once a month with sulfates and get deva cuts 2-3x a year to clean up the ends. I do get single strand knots, but they really arent problematic for me if I am consitent with the haircuts. If I go too long without one, I do see an increase in tangling but that's easily fixed.
Fops: Look into my eyes.
Me: Tell me what you see.
LOL
But yeah, My hair and scalp likes me best when I wash it once a week, with shampoo.
I use grease *insert gasps and glares* so co-washing ain't gonna do it for me.
I don't deep condition every week. I do it every other week. The weeks when I don't, I do leave the rinse out conditioner on for a little while, make me feel like I'm doing something.
I don't have the patience to solely finger detangle. I get impatient and start ripping the knots out. Combs and brushes saved my hair. LOL. Plus I hate the feeling fo shed hair on my hands and fingers.
😂😂 Honestly one of the most frustrating feelings is loose hairs on my fingers - especially when I'm trying to moisturise. Can't stand it.
Girl yes I hate shed hair even though it's mine 🤣
i follow a modified version of the cgm and when i first started it, it completely brought my curls to life! then i started using protein in every one of my products and doing protein treatments every wash, and i became scared of shampooing my hair and drying it out. my hair broke off in clumps, and my scalp was flakey and itchy to the point of burning. for a good 5 months it itched constantly. now i use protein sparingly and shampoo with salicylic acid and citric acid religiously. ive finally gotten to the point where i can detangle wet because my hair isn’t like damn velcro anymore! i can’t wait for my hair to all grow back. i feel like i finally understand my hair. your channel is awesome ❤️
As my picture shows, I have wavy, frizzy gray hair. I came across cgm when I looked up how to untangle a mat of hair I woke up with one day a couple years ago. I read about it and watch a variety of TH-cam videos and I tried different things I saw or read and just did what works. My hair is more defined then ever and that makes me happy. Its a very fascinating journey to say the least! I was never a fan of silicones prior to learning about cgm, so that's nothing new. For some reason they made my hair frizzier. I now know how to use a diffuser, so that's made a huge difference too. I also love learning about all the different types of hair from wavy to kinky. I wish I knew all this after the big hair days of the 80's! Lol....my hair was perfect for that style! From the 90's on, I didn't do a whole lot with my hair except wear it in a ponytail most of the time. Now I know better and can flaunt my beautiful wavy gray hair!! 😊
I totally agree with you about combs and brushes. My fine hair strands are tiny and do not agree with finger detangling. More trouble than it's worth. It encourages mats, frizz, single strand knots and royally f's with my curl pattern.
Chil when I saw the cover of the book I knew it wasn't for me, if I don't see people who look like me it's a no go zone. Your hair is soo pretty, especially like that
I tried it when I first went natural 6 years ago and with short 4A/B/C hair I was able to follow most of the rules. I eventually dropped it to try the maximum hydration method which I feel helped me retain moisture and get curl definition a lot better. It just helped me understand my hair and how it responds to products and which techniques work and don't work. After a few months of MHM I modified considerably and continue change my regimen to as my hair grows longer. I shampoo weekly and alternate between moisture and mild protein deep conditioners. I detangle with a tangler teaser when rinsing out the deep conditioner (never going back to finger detangling). I stay away from silicones unless blowing out my hair. And I style with either twists or a wash & go. Regardless of the regimen I used over the years I have never found my hair difficult to manage. I've learned to listen to my hair and give it what it needs when it needs it.
I don’t follow the CGM. I just took some stuff from the “instructions” and then did what I chose to do lol
-no sulfates, silicones, waxes (sulfate fee shampoos, I am not washing with conditioner)
-deep condition once a week
-lost of scrunching
-washing once every 3-5days
BUT I use a sulfate shampoo once a month to remove any and all build up then deep condition afterward. I use a brush to spread my products through my hair and clumping my curls after finger detangling.
I’m anywhere from 2b - 3b. Depending on how much effort I want to put into styling. I definitely enjoy watching your videos!!!
Hey Fops🖐🏾! Thanks for discussing this topic, although I was never interested in the CGM I still enjoyed hearing your thoughts about it. I knew this method wasn't for me because I love my shampoo.
My pleasure girl! continue to do you 👏🏾
I have 4a texture. I followed Influencer, Mahogany Curls, who used the curly girl method when I first went natural. My hair grew to waist length. The information you found is different from what I followed.
Thanks for this! Someone else commented this too. It’s lowkey relieving to hear because some of the things I read on that post were troubling.
This is exactly why I said I hope whoever is looking to adopt this method buys and reads the book cover to cover because many people will simply look it up online to save money/time and start. Many people have.
I pinned the comment with the actual steps from the book so whoever watches this video sees it.
The sad thing is naturally curly is one of the biggest natural/curly hair blogs. Which was why I said I’m weary that someone would find that and read it and run with it.
Nonetheless, as I responded to the pinned comment with the actual rules, while they do differ from the ones on the naturally curly post, there are still a few things that would simply not work for me - and I have majority 4a hair too.
The important thing is always to pay attention and modify as necessary for your own hair.
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Thanks for addressing this issue.
My pleasure! 🥰🙏🏾
My hair was completely straight for 41 years of my life and then started changing towards wavy. I am 47 now and am probably 2B/2C. For the longest time I had no idea at all what to do with this new wavy hair, as my old hair products and techniques were not working any longer. So I started to look things up on the internet, and that's how I came across the CGM. But even then, not knowing the first thing about wavy and curly hair, I felt that the CGM was unnecessarily complicated and super restrictive, with some parts of it being positively weird (such as no combing and only co-washing). Also, I have a flaky and itchy scalp, just like Afope mentions in the video, so I really need to wash my hair every day with a special shampoo to prevent this condition, there's just no other choice for me. I'm glad I decided early on that I was not interested in the CGM, because as I can see now it would not have helped me anyway, my hair being wavy and not coily curly (for which this method was originally developed, I guess). Thank you for the video, it's very important for people to know, especially for newbies, that the CGM is not the only option out there and that it's not a holy grail solution for everyone.
I have straight hair, yet this is the 7th video in a row Im watching from your channel.
Finally someone is speaking my thoughts 😂 11:28 my exact reaction
😭😂😭😂 Don't get me going again
I have 4c relaxed hair, and some of the strategies of the CGM are pretty good! The only things I will take from it is the use of wide combs, deep conditioning, adding oils and aloe gel to conditioners, and leave ins. The rest didn't work for me. I feel the best thing I learned is to get to know the ingredients even those difficult chemical words. Your channel help me get into this. These chemicals are not damaging to the hair, they help the hair thrive. Another thing I learned from your channel was the importance of using the shampoo and MATCHING conditioner as their chemical composition are made to work together. Sulfates (for a healthy scalp) and silicones (for slip) are your friends. Before I attempted CGM, Pantene ProV was what I used every week, and my hair would grow to brastrap. Then I went to CGM, and well..... I'm going back to using Pantene ProV. I wish I knew before (CGM) what I know today. I guess we have to use our own discretion.
This, EXACTLY! It has some great tips/principles. But when you're giving specific step by step instructions as a blanket statement for hair solely based on curl pattern (ignoring porosity, coarseness etc.)...that in itself is dicey.
@@AfopeAtoyebi agreed!💕
I started taking care of my curly hair after not straightening it for around a year so I had a head start. When I started watching curly hair youtube the cgm was mentioned and I don’t follow it because thankfully I watched you tubers who talked about the pros and cons. I use sulfate shampoo sometimes because it’s just a necessity, however I have a cgm approved shampoo as well. And I use the matching cgm conditioner, with the matching leave in that has a bit of protein. I also might be getting a salt scrub for my own scalp issues that has sulfates, but will use it with a mask. Just showing that when you consider porosity, hair type (2,3,4), strand thickness, hair density, hair needs, past damage, and scalp needs your routine will be unique and using knowledgeable sources and THEN coming to your own conclusion on what you need to do is best
I used to follow this method religiously. But honestly, a full wash/condition every day on top of normal body washing took too much product and energy to sustain in College and later in the work force. I find that the CG method's aim is to create and maintain perfect ringlets. Not all of us have that much money to spend on conditioner. I now wash and condition my hair about once a week (more in summer) and in between I clean it using the Victorian era soft-bristle brush method to remove dandruff, dirt, etc. and a little bit of coconut oil for moisture. It's a VERY different esthetic, but I've really come to appreciate it.
Omg I love your channel! I've always had some issues with the curly hair method precisely because it seems like one size fits all and if there's something that is not like that is curly/coily hair. My hair is incredibly thin, not a lot and super low porosity, however it's a 3b3c but I also have delicate skin. So in theory it should work fine with me, but I live in an area with hard water, as well as other things that would end up making my hair fall and feel odd. I tried this method years ago and eventually realised it's not for me. Some things work, other do not. I love the way you present the info!
Since I workout daily and sweat a lot I have to at least use water daily to rinse the sweat dust out, and when I do this I try to massage the scalp. I don't have oily hair but doing this sort of helps me spread the natural oils. I wash it once a week with a sulfate free shampoo but that helps with mineral buildup, and deep condition once a week. But! Every day I use some leave in conditioner and a comb to detangle and spread evenly. I don't wear a lot and if I feel this too much I use an old t-shirt for the excess and air dry. If it's humid I may add some oil/gel, but most of the days I do not. I've tried bar shampoos and they work well but not so much solid conditioners, but since I condition my hair daily with the leave in, and weekly with the deep one, I have to be thorough when cleansing. Also if mid week I feel the scalp needs a shampoo I'll just do it. No method knows your hair more than you!
She SAID "let me not finish my sentence" 😂😂😂😂 Fops pleaseeee 😂💜
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I have wavy hair and do the cgm. I have changed it a bit, because wavy hair gets easier weighed down than curlier types. I use a sulfate free shampoo instead of a cowash and I couldn't say goodbye to my brush. Every once in a while my hair starts to feel heavy and goopy, that's when I wash with an "normal" sufate shampoo and do a diluted (!) apple cider vinegar rinse.
On wash days (this winter) I use
dr organic 2 in 1 hemp oil shampoo
Novex black deepconditioner
Blueberry bliss leave in
Syoss keratin mousse
And sometimes a drop of oil if I feel like it.
THIS is why so many Deva Curl consumers have lost their hair🤓
Yep, my thoughts exactly! Especially if they had dermatitis! Washing with conditioner will lead straight to a serious scalp issues.
I’ve been doing my own methods my whole life. Then I finally decided to try cgm. I bought deva curl . My hair fell out. Broke off. My scalp burned and broke out......I had to stop. Thank god I did because I was seeing lawsuits against devacurl. I only tried it for a month or 2 and it did a lot of damage. That was late 2019. My hair is still growing out and recovering from devacurl and cgm. Screw that mess! 🤬
I don't disagree with what you're saying just wanted to add that I also heard from people who don't to cgm and only used like one DC product that they had problems so I think there has to be something wrong with the products themselves too
@@Phoenixhunter157 I believe the deva curl products was exclusively your problem.
@Nina Aden that's not the way I meant it. I know it happened to many women
I could never follow the curly girl method, for one I need to use a sulfate shampoo at least twice a month and I hate using cowash, I need hair my hair to feel completely clean after washing, Excellent content as always.
Listennnn. Thanks girl!
"It's a free roaming hazard" 🤣🤣🤣 Listen them wild shed hairs be plotting!
I have too many of those hazards. high density but ultra-fine hair. smh.
I have what curly girls would call "wavy" hair, though I'm in the upper 2 range. The CGM is definitely only for curlies. Not coily or even wavy. My hair LOVES silicones. To simplify, my hair is closer to the texture of a caucasian toddler, prone to tons of tangles after just hours! I need a coating agent to keep tangles away, and I need sulfates (or at least real shampoo ingredients) to keep my hair from becoming a big greasy mess.
i have curly hair and cgm completely destroyed my scalp and hair. i dont think this method is good for anyone 😭
I follow a very modified version because I have to cleanse my scalp and I style right side up so I don’t get tangles and wonky curls. I use sulfate free low poo, silicone free conditioner and deep conditioner, leave in conditioner, and gel for my hip length curls. I use a brush and comb to detangle in the shower, but don’t brush dry. I use some oils occasionally like jojoba oil and I use peppermint oil in my shampoo. I do normal styling and then blow dry on a cool setting so my hair isn’t wet and getting damaged as long. I’ve learned a lot over the past 4 years and my hair is finally growing and long. I was stuck at shoulder length and now my curls are hip length when pulled straight. I haven’t had split ends in years since starting and modifying the curly girl method. And I get a trim every year or two. Oh and I shampoo and condition and style twice a week.
I really liked this video and I know I am a bit late to the game, but it's still relevant!
I have been looking at different ways to handle my unruly wavy hair and fell on CGM and on this video. One thing I dislike about CGM is that it sort of has this 'holier than thou' aura since it purports to get you healthy hair with usually "green", "clean", low poo products that are sulfate-free and silicone-free! The no poo movement is sort of the same. The message is always sulfates bad, toxic, evyl, polluting!
I tried low poo before it was a thing and it gave me a bad scalp condition. I tried CGM's mechanical suggestions (finger detangling, squish to condish, that kind of stuff) and I ended up pulling out more hair than I ever have while in the shower. Once out of the shower, I looked like a frizz ball, which takes some doing because my hair usually lies flat on my scalp and coils or waves anywhere from above the ear to just past my neck.
That was the only thing I was interested in out of the whole CGM. Co-washing is a terrible idea if you have an oily scalp like me, low poo is terrible for the same reasons (and even worse if you have hard water).
Honestly, in my view the best message they send out is to adapt to your curls, waves, coils, and try to find what works out best for them and not to straighten them away as soon as they appear. This is a good lesson for me because my mother and grandmother both had "frizzy hair" and thus forced straight hair onto me to "fit in" to what they believed was socially acceptable.
This was a very classy & educational read, my sister. I knew YEAAAAARS ago that CGM was not right for me. This seals it 😂
I have wavy-curly medium porosity hair and about to bleach it again in ballyage so I’m preparing for high porosity. I’m not being too tough on myself trying to follow the strictest rules and got lucky with a more relaxed and very inclusive Facebook group. Though Massey has been adding new rules and coincidentally is now selling products.
I have a sensitive scalp and a hella crazy number of allergies, so I’ve been trying to use more simple products - I’ve only been doing CG for a month but have been using less harsh products for about two years and having good success.
My process is:
Sulfate free shampoo,
CGM approved conditioner (comb out curls and knots),
then while my hair is sodden and wet add a leave in conditioner, curl cream and gel. Through ‘prayer hands’ to apply, then scrunch up to curl.
Then I plop it up in a microfibre towel, then diffuse or air dry.
Lastly when hair is completely dry I ‘scrunch out the crunch’ from the gel. Sleep in a silk bonnet or on a silk pillowcase with your hair in a pineapple to maintain curls. Done!
Great video as usual I'm really loving your content ❤️😍
I haven't followed the curly girl method because it was contradictive to Everything that has been working for my fine type 4 hair.
Also, what do you think about D.I.Y gelatin protein treatment as an alternative to the Aphogee. Is it a myth or a good choice for when you can't find an actual protein Treatment, which is what is happening to me right now!! 😂😂😂
My understanding is that proteins particles/molecules found in food are too big to penetrate rhe hair shaft and you actually need hydrolyzed proteins....only a hydrolyzed protein can penetrate the hair shaft ☺ correct me if am wrong.
And that's why even with ayurvedic powders like henna or fenugreek you still a protein treatment because what these powders do is COAT and strengthen the hair mimicking a protein treatment ❤
@@jackywairegi2316 Thanks Jacky. What you said makes a lot of sense. I was just really hoping that this D.I.Y would help since I can't access a real hair protein treatment at the moment, but it's all good. Thanks again for your comment ❤️😍
sciencedirect.com states that: "Gelatin is one type of protein produced by the partial hydrolysis of native collagen. Depending on the process used, two types of gelatin, namely type A (acid hydrolysis) and type B (alkaline hydrolysis) are generally obtained." So Gelatin is partially hydrolyzed collagen which might prove beneficial as a heavier protein. I remember reading that in a science hair blog also mentioned this fact and had a recipe for a gelatin protein treatment.
@LoveLeiRoots GIRL! COME THROUGH WITH THAT SCIENCE!! 100% spot on. @Reem, I would say you should try it for sure and see how it works. Collagen tends to work really well for fine textured hair and being a derivative of collagen, gelatin can still do a good job for your hair. Let us know how it goes?
@@loveleiroots2264 I did some googling after reading your comment and I have a feeling that this is the blog you're talking about lol science-yhairblog.blogspot.com/2014/04/gelatin-protein-treatment-recipe-update.html. I also came across this and it looks promising. patents.google.com/patent/US5711943A/en Thanks for the information!!!!
I am always looking forward to your videos, another great one.
Hahaha thanks girl 🥰🙏🏾
Okay so I have “ curly” hair that’s 3b with some 3c in the middle and the CG method for the most part did not work for me, yea it works for the LOOK of your hair but not the health or length. It’s basically all just a wash n go tutorial ( at best ). The best thing I ever did for my hair was wash it every 7-10 days with an actual shampoo ( still sulfate free tho, recommend mielle rosemary mint shampoo) , deep condition ( in place of regular conditioning ) and wear my hair stretched. My preferred methods are a roller set or I wear 6 cornrows as a style then wear the braid out the remaining of the 10 days. Once a month I use an old fashion mayo, egg, avocado oil hair mask and my hair is sprouting out of my head rn and I’ve been able to minimize my shedding by a ton. I still use a brush in the shower btw I just use it in sections and kinda lightly finger detangle FIRST If my hairs super knotted
Ohh I'm gonna use mielle Rosemary shampoo for chelating, I live in hard water.
I just started following you and I love your channel. I have learned so much about natural hair and ingredients.
I've been washing my hair with Dr Bronner's since I was six years old. It has no sulfates. I'm Anglo-Indian with coarse curly dry hair. I use amla oil in my hair. I wash my hair usually one a week. I had had down to the top of my thighs until I was 24. I've had it halfway down my back to waist length ever since.
Right now at 59, it's halfway down my back, white with no grey and I dye it various shades of purple. Right now it's lavender.
I use traditional Indian hair methods and it keeps my hair in good shape.
Fopes, my hair is Type 1 straight but I still love your channel!
I love this video so refreshing 😍. I do finger detangling but definitely don't do wash and go's, scrunch my hair as Lorraine says 😂 or cowash. It is the worst thing for my hair period. Not doing the curly girl method has helped keep them fairy knots at bay massively👌🏾
I read this book a few years ago. I have 3a, 3b, 3C Jewish Sephardi hair. My hair can look like the author's, for one hour, until the humidity takes over and the do is done - time for single braid. I wish all the book was applicable, but only parts are. I shampoo and condition once a week and condition once a week. I box braid, or single braid, after wet hair in shower twice a week- with gel and styling crème, air dry, and wear for two days, unwind, and then pony tail or half up and half down for two days. Chelating prepoo to remove minerals sounds like a good idea and I must research this. So does water soluble silicon if it can fight humidity. I am ready to buy a bangs hair piece for humid days. The book part I do not follow is to dry cut to follow the curl pattern. My curls change every styling period. And, no hair dresser I have gone to will do dry cut except for bangs.
The curly girl method isn't all that for wavy/curly hair as well... it depends a LOT on THE STATE OF THE HAIR ...I have fine hair, 2c-3a...it's colour treated and high porosity. I tried the curly girl method, and everyone in those 'community's' said 'to hold on... have patience... it's transmission-fase'. It's not. I've read tons of information, watched video's, and I just want to say that CGM might work for some hairtypes... ... but for finer high porosity hair it's definately a no-go: hair looses it's body, it gets more limp, droopy, overmoisturized etc. I'm glad that ' the other side is shown' more often, while there's no 'one size fits all' programm for hair. Thanks for bringing this up clearly.
I have ultra-fine and high porosity hair but because it is Type 4c super tight pen-spring curl pattern nothing weighs it down except a ton of mousse, gel, Got2be glue and hair spray, and a tight headscarf overnight or a few hours. It just loves to spring upwards and fly away. Curly girl method also doesn't allow for shrinkage so that's why a lot of naturals say wash-and-go's do not work on nappy hair aka type 4.
All this time I thought Lorraine Massey was black. 😳
Girl, I fell OUT.
SAME
@@AfopeAtoyebi😂
Thanks for the video. Your videos are so informative and helpful. You rock!!
Thanks Marie! 🥰🙏🏾
I haven't use harsh sulfates or silicones for around 5 years and my hair and scalp had never been better I cleanse my hair around once every 10 days that is when I start to feel like I am getting somewhat little greasy scalp. My hair is long 3B/C almost to my bum in the Curly state. Also I have dyed my hair 1 year ago for the first time and my hair is healthy.
I follow CGM, though modified - I brush after finger detangling. Also when I diffuse- I use medium heat. Cold is just ridiculous. I would say that my curl pattern changed drastically after pregnancy from 3b/c to 2c-3b. Also have very fine, low density, lowish porosity hair. The CGM helped me reset my hair health. I started with co-washing and quickly figured it is not for me. So I alternate with a lo-poo and non-harsh sulfate containing shampoo. I went from dry stretched out hair that looked like 2b waves to my current pattern because of hydration which the method helped me achieve. Since starting I retried introducing silicones and drying alcohol (texturizer) and honestly my hair felt drier afterwards. So I just leave it out. I use oils (jojoba) for sealing and Scalp massage and pre-poo (homemade mix). I try to deep condition every weekend and generally wash twice a week and dry detangle at least once in a wash cycle. I have modified it so much, but it was a great starting point.
I have 3C, 4A and 4B fine hair (with low density). Maybe some 4C hidden in the mix. The 4s are concentrated on my crown and the 3S on my temple and my nape. I started following the CGM in 2014. I bought the book and a denman brush from Amazon. I thoroughly read the book and watch the cd included in it. I did not follow all the rules to a T: I used Aussie conditioner and the brush. I was doing my hair everyday during the summer and once/twice a week during winter. I even went to a Devachan salon in NY twice (2017 and 2018) but I never got the dry cut (long story). I bought the no poo shampoo at the salon. I still have some left, I do not care about it.
Now, my hair curls right away with some water because of that curl training. If I scrunch/plop the coily part of my hair, it turns into corkscrews. People have stop me in the street asking me how I curl my hair like that.
During the quarantine, I mixed the CGM with the Dickey method. I have actually pin point a hair regimen that works every time and is cheap (drugstore brands). It includes a clarifyng shampoo (once a week) that is very gentle and a silicony conditioner (TRESemmé).
I have learn some much about my hair: my 4s are the ones controlling the curl and the shape of my hairsyle. The 4s do not grow very fast, the 3s grow like weed. Every year I have to cut the nape so I do not end up with a mullet!
It is a good method if you are willing to customize it to your hair needs and not follow it like a dogma. It has taken me 6 years but I have finally learn to love my hair. (sorry for the long post)
This is DEDICATION! I love that you used it as a guideline/template to help you figure out what works best for your hair. This approach is the healthiest/wisest (in my opinion). It's amazing that you stuck with it and now it's paying off. Not many people would be that patient 😭👌🏾
A long post but I’d like to know the details of your routine.
Wow so after watching this video, I realize that I also do not follow the curly girl method. For anyone who may need tips or help, I have what I believe to be a combination of type 4a and maybe a touch of 4b. My hair is medium density and normal to high porosity with bleached ends if you can tell by my profile picture. I don't think I use shampoo with silicone cause I use the main brands like Carol's Daughter and some black owned brands and I feel like they don't use silicone. My wash days for the most part are weekly unless I get lazy. I alternate between a cowash day and a shampoo day. Because my hair has always been high porosity even before the bleach, I use protein rich products biweekly as well. EVERY SINGLE WASH DAY I deep condition, regular condition and use a leave in. PERIODT. also if I'm coming from a wash and go, sometimes I use my aussi moist conditioner as a pre poo/detangler because it's cheap so you can use a lot of it and it's effective. For wash and go's I use a leave-in, a moisturizer ( my favorite is frobutter) and I typically use the gels from mane choice because they make my hair feel moistized. My favorites are the tropical moringa braid out glaze and the do it fro the culture buttery gel. I do subscribe to wide tooth combs and my Denman brush bit I recently bought the EZ drtangler so TBD on that one. My main style of choice for the winter is a twist out to keep my ends protected for the most part. The twists are usually like medium sized. Hope this helps someone!
PLEASE DO THE MAX HYDRATION METHOD!!!
Made for type 4 !
I was h my hair once a week and condition five-six days a week. Sometimes I leave my hair alone for a day. I use a conditioner that is curly girl approved and I've given up on shampoos. I just use something that looks fine. I stopped deep conditioning my hair because the deep conditioner because I stopped using all products that had things on my allergen list.
I’m Indian with extremely high porosity hair from years of damage and harsh shampoos. Recently tried gels and they worked amazingly in summers. But now that it’s winter, I’m having a hard time with dry hair yet again. Could you share some home gel or cream recipes for winters? I wonder when you’ll upload next
The CG method was a godsend for my sister and I a few years ago. Our mother is white with pin straight hair, our black dad kept his hair so short curls wouldn't even form, we're in a different country from the rest of our black family, we grew up pre internet, and we lived in literally the whitest city in America (google it, it's not what you think). I didn't learn what a leave-in conditioner was until my early 20s. I didn't know what a twist our or wash-and-go or protective styles meant. I just knew (or thought) I had bad, dry, frizzy hair and that was that. I had already chopped off all my hair when I stumbled upon the CG book. My sister cried when she saw the pictures of girls with hair like hers.
It's been 5 or 6 years since I found that book and while my sister and I (I'm 29 with 3B-3C curls and my sister is 25 with 3C-4A) don't follow the CG method anymore, it was the first time anyone taught us how to take care of our curls and that we didn't have "bad hair".
Now if only I could find someone in this damn city (still living in the whitest city) who can cut curls properly. 32 inches is too much damn hair lol
I live in a diverse major metropolitan area (Houston, TX) and I'm still struggling to get a good hair cut 🙄
Can I say I was dying laughing thru out this whole video. Your reactions were priceless and I was right with you. 🤣
One of my fave videos by far.
Thanks sis for great content. I'm always looking forward to your videos. I'm new a newbie and your videos have helped me choose products that work for ME. Still discovering though. Looking forward to the next video
Thanks girl 🥰🙏🏽
I follow several curly influencers.
I enjoy watching a variety of beautiful 🤩 curly ladies so I follow black, white, and Latina.
They ALL use a comb and/brush.
Only one of my ladies boo-woo’s silicones and I just ignore that part of her chatter.
What I gained from watching these gals (besides great pleasure 🥰) are wonderful product recommendations. I am such a product junkie. I have learned helpful techniques. I used to be SO LAZY. I never deep conditioned my hair. I wouldn’t section my hair when I applied my styling products. I didn’t know that layering styling products could help with definition.
My Great 2020 lesson: a hard hold gel cast can be scrunched out later, so I don’t have frizz!! 🤣🤣
I just found your channel. While I have wavy hair, your science based info is great for all hair types. One confusing thing for me is hair porosity. Do you have a video on identifying hair porosity properly?
It’s always the “loraineee” for me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have to admit, learning about the curly girl method helped me so much to learn how to take care of my wavy hair. My mum always wanted it straight and made me brush it really roughly... after i learned about gcm i started using a broad toothed comb which i now use very carefully. and i use much less shampoo and sometimes only use conditioner. I am so much more happier with my hair now. However, i never really adopted the gcm itself. I don't find it suitable for my hairtype.
My first failed transition with type 3 hair using the cgm caused so much build up. I transitioned the second time not using it and my scalp is actually healthier than when I had straight hair
African hair sent me. And subscribed
Yeah after fallowing the CGM for nearly 15 years I've decided to stop. I did see a HUGE difference in my hair but I think it's time to try something different.
But I will continue to use co-washes for my daughter just because she is 7 so her hair doesn't get that dirty nor do I use products in it.
I felt your pain when you saw Lorraine's picture 😂, but I am also triggered because my name is Lorraine too lol.
lol!
I never read the book, only blogs and YT videos, but I did modify the CGM for me...honestly I fist saw already modified CGM routine, so I never thought about just cowashing or not brushing. I use non-sulfate shampoo, cowash is not good for my waves. I also brush my hair, in shower, with conditioner. Cant go without brushing. I clarify (sometimes even with sulfate!) each month and follow with a good deep conditioner. I dont airdry, I prefer diffusing for the sake of my scalp. I guess I follow the general rule of not combing dry hair and using some styling so I dont look like Hagrid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
To be honest the curly girl method made hair care more stressful and less beneficial for wavy hair. My hair was dry, frizzy and oily. Using more techniques from natural, asian, and native american hair care methods seemed to nourish my hair more so than a lot of recommendations I've been seeing so far.
I used the curly girl method and it wrecked my hair. I mainly just used Wen and have 2c hair. I thought that cowashing was the best thing for my hair so I didn't use shampoo for months. Then I studied abroad in Rome, where they have hard water. My hair texture went from being nice and soft to feeling like hay despite never heat styling it. I went to a hairdresser and they said my hair's porosity was so high that I needed to grow it all out and cut it off. At the time, my goal was to grow my hair out and I wasn't able to retain any length for years.
Thankfully, with a lot of hair masks and time, I've been able to grow out my hair down to my hips. I started in 2014 with chin-length hair. I had to re-transition in 2016, when I had bra-strap length hair. It's crazy how much quicker I would have achieved hip length hair if I hadn't used wen or CGM.
Good Video! Can you do a video on scalp psoriasis if you know anything about it.
What are your thoughts with Lorraines book 2 recommendations of NO oils and butters.
Man oh man. lol! My trichologists do not like applying pure oils or butters but that is for me with my sensitive allergic scalp. However, they already formulate their products with the right amount of oils and butters added so I don't use additional on my scalp or hair daily. I might put some on my frizzy ends once or twice a week or use and oil as a 30-minute pre-poo...I can't leave it on my scalp for long periods. it all depends on your scalp and hair type. The funny thing is no one every actually quotes directly from the book. The first book says you can use a sulfate free botanical cleanser instead of conditioner so I was using sulfate free organic shampoo but everyone else cut out all shampoo. *face palm*
@@marleyhill34 Oh I see. The tale grows taller down the line. Ha ha. I never read any of her books but all of a sudden there is a discussion about no oils and butters. 🤨
@@TracyD2 There is a lot of discussion on the internet about hair and I read actual books or blogs by scientists and cosmetologists. People take things out of context. Most of our hair products have oil and butter added to them already. It might be from this video: th-cam.com/video/bJyQ223iNQs/w-d-xo.html But like she said a lot of products marketed as "oil" when you turn around and read the ingredients list it has silicone in it. If you are going to use silicone you need a shampoo that will breakdown the silicone but everyone is still stuck on the "let's not use shampoo bandwagon" I have never stopped using shampoo. In fact, it was my trichologists who told me to shampoo weekly either with a gentle sulfate or a non-sulfate shampoo with enough surfactants and EDTA/citric acid.
Well... I'm 3a (Guess... My hair is unclear texture, very fine, it's almost straight from the scalp, then two inches or so of a wavy and after that is very well curly, like big coils)
I’m hollerin!!!! Lol.... Lorrainnnnneeeee😂
I think the curly girl method is originally ment for people who grew up thinking they have straight hair or "just frizzy" hair, and who have no idea how to take care of curly hair/don't know anyone who does.
I am one of these people. I don't follow the whole thing, but I kept some things that made sense to me and it was a good starting point.
GURRRRLLLLL you are killing this sacred Cow
There’s no WAY I would do this lol
I'm curious: I have wavy hair that I have been straightening for +15 years. About a year ago I wanted to start wearing my natural hair. At first I thought that the curly girl method was the only way to do it 'properly'.. The part about not brushing really turned me off and I couldn't do it. Would you recommend brushing your hair when it's dry? I feel like my hair looks like a hot mess when I don't brush it during the day. Anyways, I was just wondering if some people with curly or coily hair would brush dry hair as that seems counterintuitive.
I really enjoy your channel even though I have a completely different hair texture from you! A pleasure to watch ☺️😍
I have 2c/3a type curls and I couldn't go with the CGM. The cowash was way too much for my medium to fine strands and leaving the conditioner in left my hair even more weighed down. Finger detangling left my hair forming dreads, and airdrying provided me no definition. Furthermore I need more products that just gel to hold my curl and locking in the moisture.
The curly girl method completely ruined my hair. I was commiting to going heatless and decided to let my natural curls shine through. I eliminated silicone and sulfates and cut my hair so my curl pattern would be enhanced. I have very fine hair and i will admit that I did not take any other necessary steps to preserving the health of my hair. It's been almost 2 years and my hair just keeps. Breaking. Off. Higher and higher to the point where I don't know if cutting it off will do anything. The curls are out of control on the under layers on my hair and there is no texture on the exterior. I look like a sewer rat out of the shower. Silicone conditioner is giving me breakouts on my body so I have been putting it in after I shower. There isn't enough to braid. There isn't enough to put up. I don't want to chop it but I think I have to.
I have type 3 hair and even I’m giving Lorraine the side eye 🤣 finger detangling is a no for me I tried and I’m not here for it so I cannot imagine her recommending this for coilies
You can’t maintain length retention with wash and goes 🤔 😳?!?
I have 4b & 4c hair and honestly, wash and goes are bad for me. I end up with so many fairy knots it's ridiculous. Usually, I end up having to cut the fairy knots out. For this reason, I tend to stay with styles that will allow me to keep my hair stretched. Even though wash and goes don't work for me, they may work for others.
@Bree Gee - the tighter your coils are the more prone to knotting and tangles they are. It'll be very hard to minimize that if your hair is constantly in a wash n go. It may not make so much of a difference for looser curls/waves...but late 3's/type 4 hair for sure will retain more length with stretched styles/styles where their ends are kept away/kept from coiling up on themselves, than if it were always on a wash n go.
@chocolate82467 - this has been my experience with my hair and every coily haired client I've ever had.
@@AfopeAtoyebi Does this apply to all hair lengths for example twa's?
This is exactly what happened to me on the curly girl method and I had problems my first couple of years of going natural!
I'm just having a hard time trying to figure out how it can work for super curly/coily hair. Some of those instructions were :/
Afope Atoyebi exactly lol it don’t work 🤣 at least not for anybody I’ve seen so far with curly/coily hair!
Me: I like sulfates in my shampoo. 😬
We should start a support group 🤷🏽♀️
Same lol, Im a Dove junkie, they don't have sulfate free shampoos
I react to so many innocuous everyday ingredients like parabens and sulfates. I have to buy my skincare from Korea since they use different preservatives as a standard there. I also have always wanted curls. I’m a month in to CGM (modified) and enjoying it. Mainly it’s a chance to take care of myself and see what sort of results I can get.