Carlos Gracie VS Helio Gracie VS Carlson Gracie
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2019
- History of the Jiu Jitsu Legacy
Allan Góes is a 6th degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) who was part a famous team that ruled the sport in the late 1980s/early 1990s, led by Carlson Gracie. Allan Goes was also a pioneer mixed martial arts (MMA) fighter, having competed in promotions all around the world. Góes was one of the first of Carlson Gracie’s students to bring the famous CGA style of grappling to the United States.
Góes Jiu-Jitsu Club prides itself on being a fun, family-oriented studio, where people of all ages can come together in a low-pressure environment to learn important fighting fundamentals and build their self-confidence.
The studio is open to students of all ages who are interested in learning Jiu Jitsu fundamentals alongside their kids or by themselves and we hope this Patreon will allow our students additional ways to grow in their mastery of the Gentle Art. Oss. - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Great video, Prof Allan! Thank you!
Hello and much Respect Professor Goes. I trained with Carlson,You and the rest of the Carlson Gracie Team in Hollywood in 1996. Thank you For posting the videos and Carlson Gracie Team FOREVER!!
Im here to share the history and roots of our founding father Cralson Gracie! im wanna make sure hes history never being forgot! i have this moral obligation! thank you for watching my channel! respect!
@@Allangoesjourney We ApprecIate and thank you for that Professor Goes. Look forward to more videos of Carlson and the Roots/History! 😊👍
Love the Video Professor. I have nothing but the greatest Respect for Carlson Gracie Family and Jiu Jitsu. 🙏🥋
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OSSSS Love the video.
Osu thanks you...gracias por enseñar 🙇🏻♂️🙇🏻♂️🙇🏻♂️
You are a true Jiujitsu Master thank you for sharing... Luis Gutiérrez from Mexico
It’s amazing how many people training Jiu jitsu today don’t know true Jiu jitsu history.
Well, you have to add all the lying, scamming and criminal dishonesty to get the "true history" of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. I like the part where they often mention Carlos "moving to the North of Brazil"...they mean when he went to prison for seducing under-aged girls...lol . The Part when Carely beat up Helio in the barn...where is Carlay's part? etc. And thats just geting started..
@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz show the proof of this or stop talking BS
Oswaldo Fadda has entered the chat.
@@JohnJohnson-pq4qzLegit? Sources? 🤔
@@JEFFMAN90
I haven't had proof yet. But, why would you be surprised? BJJ (as we know it today-as "the most effective self defense in the world"), is the product of strategic marketing (via Hollywood networking & UFC 1). We've been brainwashed to believe that fights take place on padded ground & you won't be jumped & stomped to death in a real street altercation. It's literally the new 80's "karate/movie kung fu." That's why Sakuraba & Vanderlei never had a problem passing a single solitary guard 😉
Allan Goes, adoro ouvir a história do Jiu Jitsu brasileiro e quem tem a oportunidade de treinar com alguém que está no legado de Carlson Gracie deve ser homenageado ... Sou uma pessoa assim ... treino com Gtabriel “ Gladiator ”Santos e o treinamento é fenomenal ... para mim o estilo Carlson Gracie é perfeito e estamos honrados por ter Gladiator em Massachusetts .... também gosto do seu canal e adoro ouvir a história do Jiu-Jitsu
Thank you Allan Goes
Thank you for the history professor.
Thank You Professor ❤️🙏
Mestre, faça vídeos em português..
Ou então, introduza as legendas neles..
Obrigado
Oss
Thanks for the history lesson!
Great history lesson oss
Excellent video. I was not aware of that of Professor Carlson. Muito obrigado pelo vídeo
Been a Fan of Allan Goes for years. I have love for the entire Gracie Family both Carlos and Helio. They're family, Big Cousin Carlson would support Royce when he was competing in UFC and be there Ring side. Love it. Real family.
Indeed, Royler in ADCC, Rickson in Pride FC & Vale Tudo, and Royce in UFC promoted sport BJJ as well as self defense. Carlos lineage gave us a sport, Hélio lineage gave us a self defense art, and they interconnected after as a family. Maybe, Carlson is more important because he tough to more students.
BOAAAA CAMPEÃO! It's true Carlson Gracie and Rolls Gracie brought the sport to the next level. Thank for you sharing.
Ansioso pela legendas em Português.. hehehe.. aguardando!!!
This is an amazing video. I enjoyed hanging out at Carlson Gracie London. Thanks for this great insight into Carlson Gracie!
thank you Martial Arts around the World! that is a honor have you guys in my channel, i hope you enjoy your history roots!!! with no pass we have no future!
Allan Goes OSS!
Fantastico!!
Ty for ur video
the legend never dies.
thank you my good friend! honor to have you here with me!
All I know is Gracie Barra is sport and GJJ is self defense. I learned from Rickson, Rener, Ryron, and Renzo. Those first 3 names taught me self defense first then sport, Renzo taught me the sport
boa, Mestre, e' praticamente um powerpoint de todo esquema. oss
sabe tudo Arqfran !!! vc e o cara!!!
Keep up the good work please
Can you tell me please which style is best suited for mma? And also which is better suited for mma sport or self defense bjj?
Oss, tive a honra de entrevistar o grande ALLAN GOES.
A honra foi toda minha!
@@Allangoesjourney espero te entrevistar de novo campeão, pessoal do CANAL MMA DEBATE se amarrou na entrevista, vc é o cara!!! Oss!!!
PARABENS ! PELO SEU INGLES E SUA POSTURA PERANTE AOS QUE LUTARAM POR NOS
Excelente vídeo mestre. Eu sei q falando em inglês vc vai atingir o mundo inteiro, mas faça a legenda em português para que todos os brasileiros tbem possam acompanhá-lo.
Exatamente
Estamos em curso! Eu e a tecnologia lol haha
O mal do brasileiro é não valorizar tanto a sua própria língua materna. Em primeiro lugar deveria se falar em português e a legenda ser em inglês. Assistindo uma vez uma luta, após a vitória (não me lembro o nome do lutador) ao ser entrevistado pelo Joe Rogan, ele ao invés de responder em inglês, fez questão de dizer que responderia em português para o público brasileiro. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Well spoken Allan. Where are you located?
Bravo pela paixao e respeito.
Great video. You should have more subscribers. I hope people find out about you. Thank You
Once your a black belt under Master Carlos Gracie you were a complete Black Belt.God bless him for teaching the art to everyone without discrimination he was truly a great man .OSS.
You forgot to tell that most of you left Master Carlson Gracie in the end...
I never forget History and Roots! watch the videos! the end of the history is, everyone that follow Carlson lineage have a moral obligation to appreciate and respect all the kids that sacrifice there life in name of this tribe! with no past you have no future!
@@Allangoesjourney professor you mention that GM Carlson was the first to teach the common people. But one of Helios first nonGracie red belts also did this. GM Francisco Mansor of Kioto. Did Carlson train with him in the early days?
He focus on self defense but also fought vale tudo for gracie academy
@@Allangoesjourney gracie humaita was also successful in both self defense and sport. Because of royler gracie. But also I thought Rolls Gracie students defend against luta livre not just Carlson gracie team..? I am a big fan of what Master Carlson has done so do not take this as me going against Carlson. I am from the Renzo/Matt Serra lineage here in New York. I wish there was a presence of Carlson Gracie here.
@@lucasbatistasoares8168 yes I have heard this. But Carlson Gracie Academy and Rolls Gracie/Gracie Barra still competed against eachother by the late 70s and 80s
Proud of my Carlson Gracie lineage, through Mestre Elcio Figuiredo.
You should be proud every day of your History and Roots!
@@Allangoesjourney Thank you, Professor. I am, every day.
Rorion inventou o UFC!!!!!isso foi ser visionário demais tbm
Tem versão do vídeo em português?
CARLSON GRACIE was the common man champion 👏 🙌 of jujitsu much love.
And then you all left him...
I'm honored to be able to count myself among his lineage.
com certeza vamos botar uma legenda em portugues! obrigado pela dica
Allan Allan Goes, adoro ouvir a história do Jiu Jitsu brasileiro e quem tem a oportunidade de treinar com alguém que está no legado de Carlson Gracie deve ser homenageado ... Sou uma pessoa assim ... treino com Gtabriel “ Gladiator ”Santos e o treinamento é fenomenal ... para mim o estilo Carlson Gracie é perfeito e estamos honrados por ter Gladiator em Massachusetts .... também gosto do seu canal e adoro ouvir a história do Jiu-Jitsu
I hope I translate properly Professor Goes....
Cara faco jiu-jitsu com o gabriel gladiador. E depois desse primeiro video seu ,ja sou seu fan parceiro assisti varios videos seus ossu
Coloca mesmo Alan....fui logo ver se tinha!! Infelizmente não sei falar inglês, muita gente no Brasil quer ouvir 👂🏻
Fez toda essa porra sendo Brasileiro boto em inglês bosta.
where was carlson team when rickson and royler had to fight hugo and eugenio?
Facts
"Had to?" Bittuvah stretch. Rickson b!tch slapped Hugo. They fought. The End. Now this: Where were Rickson & Royler when Helio was getting tossed on his head (which is a likely fatal move in actual street fights)? Where were Rickson & Royler when Oswaldo was foot locking Helio?
Where was Rickson when Royce & Royler were getting soccer kicked while butt scooting on padded flooring in Pride?
@Dolph-fe2ks
They weren’t born or infants. Rickson was fighting in Japan and his son was found dead and he retired from fighting and now has Parkinson’s
@@oldironsides4107 Ok? That's all important, for sure, but has nothing to do with the point. The poster was throwing rocks in glass houses. At least Conan (from Carlson Team) fought Sakuraba before it was cool to lose to him. And the back & forth is just useless. Especially if we aren't going to give credit to Master Carlos Sr. for BJJ being what it is today. RIP Rockson.
Where does George Gracie and Rolls Gracie fit in this?
Rolls Gracie was Carlos Gracie's son, he was brother of Carlson and Carlos jr as well
@@thalescardozo9320 Yeah, I know that much. I also know George was brother to Carlos and Helio. I'm referring to where they fit in the legacy of Gracie jui jitsu? Their part in it's history.
@@frontdeskstaff9359 Ohh ok. The first Gracies brothers (Carlos, Helio, George and so on) were mainly focused on self defense, the brazilian jiu jitsu was develop based on how weak people could defend themselves from strong people and due to this they weren't worried about competition. After decades of this kind of practice, in the 70s Carlson and Rolls started to teach at the same academy, but in different days, and even they being brothers, they started to estimulate competition among theis students. As Master Sergio Malibu said, Rolls was the first one (1980) to match others martial arts in order to improve his jiu jitsu, but unfortunatelly he passed away before the boom of jiu jitsu
George was brother of Carlos and Helio, the first generation. Hes was the best fighter of the family before Hélio starts to train around 1930. Rolls was the second generation, son of Carlos Sênior and the best fighter of the family around the 70's, when Carlson retired. (Sorry about my english)
OSS Maestre Allan!
Wheres located the academy? Gracias maestro.
what city you live ?
I live in culiacan ,sinaloa ,mexico, but travel sometimes to usa
Allan - what do you think about this Carlson Gracie secret handshake? Was Carlson really pushing that on people?
Master Carlson had the same idea of "Jiu Jitsu for all" just like Fadda.
Walid proved the effectiveness of the Carlson system in sport Jiu Jitsu.😉
Not against John Jacques Machado
You don’t must mix Carlson Gracie JiuJitsu with Gracie Jiujitsu.
- Gracie, Carlson.
Allan faz em português
Tem muita gente no Brasil querendo ouvir suas palavras
Cadê a legenda ??? Só pensou nos EUA
And WHERE does FADA stand in all of this??
Let’s book a podcast?
master allan ossssu
OSSSSSSSS
Faz em português 🙌🏿🙌🏿🙏🏾🙏🏾
But you hardly find BJJ SD videos on tube. Also Helio, Rickson and other critisized that BJJ focus is to much on sport.
How about the Fadda legacy?
That's what I just asked. Fada has no lineage to the Gracies he learned from Count Meada himself.
legenda????????????
E o Pinduka? Esqueceu de colocá-lo ali no alto do time do Carlson...
The Master
pelo menos coloca legenda em português.
Doesn't even mention Royce, ouch
Por favor Alan faz essa aula em português fera braba!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you Alan are use the name Rawls Gracie it’s my way of rebelling and showing the true name of Jiu Jitsu
faltou colocar george gracie e oswado fadda
TO THE SAVIOR!!!! FOREVER CARLSON!!!! OSSSSSS
Carlos Gracie invented or reinvented jiujitsu?
Neither of them... Carlsos learned Judo from Maeda (which was already modified but much simpler), superficially, perfected with other Japanese...
But it's not just Judo anymore with Helio and George... and it's the two who say it, with video recording and newspapers...
Carlson learned from Helio who learned from Carlos and George, but the modifications that transformed Jiujitsu into Vale Tudo, starts with George and then changes more with Helio, George according to his own son, he had a different style, he already had a good ground game, but more focused on ground and pound, less guard...
So much so that the styles of George's students are more upright... like Ivan Gomes, Euclides Pereira, Ivan's brother gives the impression that there was no closed guard, for example, in their style...he even called "that Gracie guard" "the scissor guard"...
So it kept changing after George left...including in things that became character of bjj...
Carlson learns from Hélio, but he certainly perfects and trains with other arts, because in his generation he faces those who already know Jiujitsu too...the level had risen a lot since retirement from Hélio, starting with Waldemar Santana who was a student of Hélio...Rolls trains judo, sambo, wrestler, and is Carlson's student...keeps evolving...
But the game change, which changes the STYLE, is with George and then with Hélio ...
goes my good friend gave me the name in 2008 chingon!
you are a winner! you over come a big challenge in your life that many people gives up!! you are the man!!
Wasn't he a trader to the family?
Carlson Gracie popularized Jiujitsu the only Gracie Witt a statue
man of the people good to know
man if the people
Mestre Carlson Gracie é o cara com certeza Alan. Eu via você sempre na praia do leme nos anos 90 e início do anos 2000 o mestre o meu pai lutou contra o Carlson Gracie e perdeu.
There is another Gracie family member that doesn't get much recognition. Master Carley Gracie. He was the first Gracie family member in the United States. Not Rorion!
Quem foi a mãe do Carlson?
Rorion criou o UFC e foi um pioneiro do jiu jitsu nos Estados Unidos.
RICKSON o maior lutador de todos os tempos e responsável pelo MMA no Japão.
ROYCE primeiro campeão do UFC e peça chave na divulgação do Jiu-Jitsu para o mundo .
ROYLER 4 x campeão mundial.
O resto veio depois com todo respeito ao Carlson
OSSS
Ossss
o gracie que fez mas alunos foi o geoge o bjj não eh so rio de janeiro
Oswaldo Fadda?
Did carlson think rickson was better than rolls
Hey bro. I know I am 5 months late, but just saw your question. I read an interview with Carlson Gracie. They asked him that exact question. His answer was Rolls. He said Rolls was superior and more technical. I will look that interview up, and post here/reply again here where you can find it.
Brasileiro falando ingles , eu consigo entender bem
Eu também rsrs
I wish I found Renzo Gracie when I was younger I would’ve probably been a world champion but instead I found Rickson song and got lost in all that bullshit
Alan goes Perhaps if I found him I did train with him once when I was young 30 years ago perhaps that might’ve done it all good no, not complaining always in love
Brazilian jujitsu the real Japanese judo
I think there is a statue of Jesus in Brazil 🤔
Fala em português mano .
Porra.... Achei que era em português
It’s all the same. There are world champions. Then there isn’t, and everything in between.
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
BULLDOGS FOR LIFE!
Helio gracie did not invent anything
Chute box
The Gracie's didn't invent anything it's kosen judo which was gi grappling focused on the ground they were doing spider guard xguard in 1920 it's in books the Gracie's didn't no what a triangle was until the 80s
Quanta bobagem em um vídeo só...
Carlson foi importante sim... mas não existe essa DICOTOMIA entre a primeira e segunda geração, seria preciso ser DA MESMA GERAÇÃO...
Carlson é apenas a evolução e CONTINUAÇÃO do que o Carlos e Helio fizeram...
Quem ensinou o Carlson?
Carlson pegou o que aprendeu com o Helio e o Carlos, provavelmente MAIS COM O HELIO, talves com o George também...
E antes o Helio ficava mais em aulas particulares, e os treinos mesmos eram apenas pra quem lutava, os cross treinos com outras artes, o Vale Tudo que o Hélio lutou...
A familia treinava tudo sempre, mas não todos os alunos... só os que lutavam...
O Carlson ESPORTIZA o JJ, eliminando as aulas particulares, e focando em aulas em grupo, MAS ISSO AFASTAVA UMA PENCA DE ALUNOS, ficava apenas os LUTADORES...por isso ele não fazia dinheiro...
Você ignora o que foi feito la fora também pelos filhos do Hélio...
"Abraçar todo mundo"
Falso pra caralho... ele focou em uma equipe de LUTADORES... enquanto antes era pra TODOS OS NIVEIS DE PRATICANTES...
Só volta a ser assim, quando o Jiujitsu satura, e começam a importar a cultura americana de alunos como CLIENTES, ai as aulas não são mais só pra lutadores casca grossa...
The Helio side got it right. The sport has almost completely killed real self defense Jiu-jitsu. Its a shame really. Sport BJJ now is a joke. Thanks to Rorion for bringing REAL jiu-jitsu to the united states. There is a reason Helio didn't want to teach the "common man" Jiu-jitsu.
Please explain your "common man" comment. I see the Helio side as focusing more (not that the Carlos lineage doesn't) on the average person who wants self defense primarily, as you stated. To me, sticking to this vision naturally results in less emphasis on mma and sport bjj and the more elite athletes seeking that (not that they don't have those folks training in Helio-influenced schools).
@@jims512 you pretty much answered most of it. Natural body movement and energy efficiency is what Helio wanted to display in his curriculum. Sports has really grown into its own community but its curriculum has a lot of athletic content. Even the practitioners are on the secret juice to win titles. Self defense is important to the common people who aren’t athletes to make a technique work on bigger opponents.
Man.. respecting history and origin stories is important but there’s a threshold after which it becomes religious. It’s off putting and cringe.