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INDEX:
00:00 - Intro
00:33 - LMC+
00:55 - What is a Listen Mic Compressor?
01:29 - Key Features
01:52 - The U.I
03:00 - Disclosure
03:30 - Testing
04:31 - Comparing the VST with the AU
05:40 - More Testing
07:19 - Conclusion
09:42 - Support me! - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
I genuinely appreciate the fact that you keep emphasizing on your disdain towards subscription models, and I hope you keep doing it, as I don't think its heading in a good direction for the consumer. At least in the long term.
Its just another option like all these plugins are still same price with same sales but you now have the option of a subscription or even better the Splice model which is rent to own.
I'm really not a fan of subscriptions either. I'd rather own a license. I don't like plugins that have to "call home" every time you load it either. I've seen people get burned by that method and it sucks. Too reliant on the developer even after purchase. Anything happens to them your license useless.
@@Byronic19134 rent to own is the best if you can't afford but want to own I agree. I did that with serum years ago. Rent to not own is absolutely scum and I will never do that!
@@Byronic19134 rent to own i respect, but subscription? Nah… I’m already renting my flat in London, no need for any more of that.
name me one brand that is subscription only where you cant buy the individual plugin... I'll wait, everyone wants to bitch about subscriptions and your bitching is pointless if you can buy the individual plugins.....
When Peter Gabriel was recording 'Sandstorm' by Darude, he got Phil Collins to play the drums in the stone room at the Townhouse. Engineer Hugh Padgham recorded the sound of the drums through the listen mic, and thus the "gated reverb snare sound" of the 1980s was born. It's nice of you to upload the original mastertape.
Gabriel recording Darudes Sandstorm in 80s? What on earth you talkin?
Hahaha genius!! 😂
@@aleksik4028 🐢 🐌
@@aleksik4028 Maybe, just maye, possibly, sandstorm is a sort of gag here, related to the channel ... But the story about the gated reverb is true.
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I love the LMC+ on drum rooms. It's a great character comp. It was just on sale for a second time recently for $20... I definitely wouldn't pay $99 for it.
I got this for 20 bucks a couple weeks ago. Honestly, it doesn't sound great on it's own, but pushed ridiculously hard, it works great as a parallel drum compressor. Lives in my template just for the parallel flavor.
This is how I feel about the Softube Dynamite. It’s ridiculously aggressive, seems not too useable at first glance but it’s *immensely* satisfying in parallel. Im able to use it like a transient designer this way, blending in a spiky splat to taste.
Worked well on some death metal drums for me. Made the snare pop a lot in the rooms during slower halftime sections. Not bad for twenty quid.
It seems like it'd also be a great drum room compressor (or a parallel room comp), since that's what it was for originally.
The SSL Drumstrip also has the LMC as one of many features. Sound pretty much on par. What's missing is the scoop and split. But the sound was already available in the Drumstrip plugin. They could've updated the Drumstrip with the newer minimal functions. That's why I personally would call it snake oil, because they present the LMC as something "new" and they don't tell you it's already in another one of their plugins.
Man...I tiny bit of this on Mix Bus....and the Drum Strip...dialed back to 20% you got the SSL Sound...Loving it
Thanks for the video!
Just got it for $19 on Plugin Boutique! Happy SSL keeps doing these deals so we don't have to sub. Great plugin, it's kind of a quick and dirty way to get a Distressor style smash in it's own way. I'm using AU in Logic and Ableton so I haven't noticed any issues. Hopefully they become M1 Native soon enough...
I went the same route with PB too for 19 or so.
Just set up a new session to compare it to the Korneff Talkback Limiter.
How in the world did you get it for $19?? I'm seeing $119 on Plugin Boutique.
@@stewie3128 it was a limited time offer.
@@stewie3128 yeah keep an eye out checking plugin boutique every week, SSL does limited time offers very often, they had the channel strip and bus comp for $50 down from $500 a few months back. It’s a great way to get into the SSL plugins without a subscription forever or dropping thousands of dollars if you can be patient and buy them when they’re on sale!
The monitor lifting thing was socool! - Ibegun to lough by myself:D
This might one of the rare times you've done a review on a plugin I have, so I appreciate that.
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Thank you for mentioning the importance of VST plugins being VST3 apple silicon native !
NICE VIDEO SIR
Love how you troll the trolls by making the nails thing an actual THING!
THANK YOU for highlighting subscription models being used to push out of date software. If companies are going to continue pushing subscription models, then these delivery models NEED to be more than just profitable: they need to carry an actual benefit for the end user.
Plugin itself seems neat, but definitely not for me.
Nice nails dude! Hard not to be an Elysia fanboy when everything they have made is freaking fire!!!
Hey man! Just to explain your NULL results and your thoughts; you will never be able to NULL any of the correctly modeled "analog" plugins because one element in the analog modeling is randomness. Randomness is added just because analog gear will sound a tiny bit different every time it is used, but the difference may not be audible. Try it if you like by using for example only the au-plugin and NULL them, it will never be 100% silence. This of course also means that rosetta or anything else is not "doing" something.
Man VU meter on your thumb, you're such an intense audio nerd brother I love it.
tbh subscription models are what keep pushing me to pirate software until I can purchase the products outright.
And often the companies that offer subscription models will rarely put their products on sale or make them consumer friendly prices, because they'd actually prefer you being shackled to their subscription model.
it's far more lucrative for them, long-term.
Antares for example, want us to pay their grand children's private school tuitions with their subscription price, and product prices.
I'm sorry I just can't afford all those subscriptions, then my phone bill, car payments, rent, electricity, subscriptions to movie services, etc.
The way I see it, subscriptions are just a way to get more money out of you than if you bought it outright. It makes it look like your saving, but you'll have definitely bought that plying several times over in the course of a few years of having that subscription. It's only cheap if you're not doing it all the time, and you have to do its all the time if you're an engineer and you need those tools to do your work.
Would be interesting to compare it with the LMC in the Fusion.
Maybe shifting the Nulls sample by sample might yield an understandable result.
I like the SSL X-Comps and the VocalStrip 2, I must say, especially at Sale prices ...
Got it, on Windows, works great and is good for smooting mids and compress with caracter. I'd realy love if they extend the low filter to make It work as an hi frequency filter Just as they did in the ssl fusion but they made a plug in Just for that so probably won't, still this paired with the scoop could be great!
Thank you for exposing their old code & the lack of nulling, O. M. G!
Totally agree on SSL being lax about updating their plugins to M1 compatible. I own quite a few SSL plugins and, for me, the VST3 versions don't work in Studio One 6-it's so frustrating. I've contacted SSL support but they just tell me to turn Studio One 6 to Rosetta. Why should I change everything just for this one plugin manufacturer who can't get it together. You're so right, it's been 2 1/2 years and still SSL is not delivering. I won't buy any more of their plugins until they remedy this issue.
Tonex is out 2 days ago! It's really good Software I think, I got it!
Great to see you persisting with the painted nails
I got this baby for $20. Sounds fantastic on my drum bus 🔥
best ssl plugins are the channel strip 2 and the bus comp.
i got it for 50 bucks in a sale.
its all you need for mixing. Great SSL sound! but LMC also for 19 Bucks is the best price. Some noname style crappy plugins are even more expensive!
SSL is a legendary Sound! Got to have it!
I go for the channel strip 2 almost every time for tracks when needing to tweak something. It's an automatic decision my brain makes every time. Best tool in my DAW.
yeah , cheap scates like you , who should be paying 200, are the reason this company doesn't do updates anymore ..
Great take. I too hate the subscription model, and there's no excuse for any company to be "not native" after over two years. They're just trying to save money while charging people subscriptions. There's no excuse for that.
they are not servicing their products .. such as uc1 , and uf8 ..WHERE THE F ...ARE MY UPDATES ????
Seems like these companies can't wait to destroy their market with the subscription model 🤦🏾♂️
No to subscriptions couldn't agree more
Awesome on drums. The free original is the best.
Would love if you could look into the prodsp dam v3
the Korneff Talkback Limiter does the same thing just as well, and for $39
I have both... I don't think they sound the same at all. Do you?
Still waiting, and hoping, for reviews of SSL Fusion and Bus+ hardware 😊
Track name is “Sandstorm” by darude
.... did you get your nails done *for* Elysia? Or did people AT Elysia paint your nails?? they look lovely btw :)
The Drums are from "Turn To Gold" by David Austin........i think...🤔
Try Vola by Sonic Anomaly. Simple and effective. Designed for vocals but works on everything.
I think it's interesting how compressors sometimes transition in to transient modellers. I'm somewhat interested in looking at hybrids of the two as I feel it might really change dynamic possiblities.
Wasn't that how the Gated Snare effect was stumbled upon ?
Ive got windows....and it runs great.....on my Dell Opti....Ive got a Vpro i7 chip 20GB or Ram...its running great....
it used to be free, SSL wtf bro
you would think they would include a complimentary gate
Off subject…but what’s the sliding-up-&-down monitor mount you have???
Is it me or the Lewitt mic kit looks friggin big? Not very video friendly.
Love your work by the way.
despite the plugin having some seemingly fundamental issues that needs addressing... the grove and sound this plugin gives is so much fun lol. Using plugin effects for what they are not intended to make something musical is so much fun. Shame they did a poor job on actually supporting it :|
You can use the AU-Version of the plugin in a Apple-Silicon native DAW without Rosetta2. Meanwhile you can bet, SSL will port it to a Apple-Silicone native Version sooner or later.
When??? Needed to happen a year ago.
I love your videos when I watch them. I have not watched the last several, because your titles do not indicate what they are about and I don't want to spend two minutes of watching to see what that is. If you can be more informative up front, you will be someone I start watching and enjoying again
'Do I need it?, NOPE!' LOL you tell em dude....reality is a bitch
As a personal user with not a big budget, I quite like a subscription model. I can subscribe for a month when I need it and then just unsubscribe again when I don't. I do this a lot with the Izotope stuff. In a proffesional setting where you basically use your plugins all the time anyway I can see why you would prefer to just buy it instead. But if you're a plugin company that takes itself even remotely seriously; you MUST supposed apple silicon. This is not even up for debate. The fact that they don't support it is usually quite telling for how they handle other issues/modernisation in their software.
Also I approve of the painted nails.
oh they have subscription? nice...maybe one day...never owned any ssl stuff, almost bought an interface but then bought another one^^
#m1ReaperGang
The VST version sounds a bit slower to me.
I’m listening on my phone and I can hear the difference between the AU and VST3 versions. The VST is so muddy and woolly in comparison due to the slow attack. Very poor.
sure!... troller...
VU meter on your thumb?!?
Dude, your nails warrant their own video.
Which nail has the A to D converters?
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Still waiting on tracks M1..
Free Alternative?
Sounds like this plugin tries to recreate Peter Gabriels third album recording session in 1980. Phil Collins was the drummer on that album. They created the 80’s drum sound by accident but it caught on. I wonder why developers are slow with supporting M1 chips. Maybe it’s not as straight forward as a simple recompile…… perhaps it’s a time-cost related business decision? It is a completely different architecture after all which they have to learn. Imagine if they still had to hand-optimise the Assembly code. Back in the 80’s a typical developer would have ported it in no time to a completely different machine without the luxury of modern programming tools. I bet they could do a simple recompile to make it work on an M1 in a few hours.😁
Now picture a DAW with a subscription model running horribly on windows and not native on apple silicon :))))
okay
Sandstorm
Holy cow but that track really sounds like darude. Have no idea why you don't get a copyright strike!
Works great on Windows 11 😊
lol ..no one uses windows in pro audio ...maybe DJs, just too far behind Apple Silicon and Logic Pro X Silicon.
SSL plugins are an anomaly. You usually have to slam them most of the way, and they work best when combined together. I hated for a while, but now mostly appreciate what they can do.
Lol, me is Mr. Oil. Where is my castor oil?
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Interesting idea but I don’t prefer the sound of it.
I’m not installing my SSL purchased plugins because a number of them are not M1 native. Similarly I won’t consider Native Instruments Komplete package because many of their things are not yet M1 native. As you say, it has been about 2 years since the first M1 Mac went on sale. Any company that can’t be ready at release time of new processors or system software is an anchor holding back progress, and there are plenty of companies that can be ready on day one of such releases. I go with them, and have never had a problem updating my computer’s software on day one of release. Such companies tend to follow standards such as those Apple dictates making them near invulnerable to system updates and driver software is simply not needed.
You're making a whole lot to do about literally nothing like native or not whats the difference when it runs perfectly fine? Just install the plugin and use it instead of worrying about the code like a weirdo.
@@Byronic19134 I don't install anything on my new machine that is not M1 native. That is my choice. You are free to disagree, but insulting me makes you an asshole.
@@Byronic19134 Apple wants to withdraw Rosetta2 as soon as possible. When it does, all non-native apps, plugins, etc, will stop working completely. Would you buy something that might not work at all tomorrow?
I wonder how much time has been wasted developing for M1 silicon? It’s probably set the industry back 2 years in R&D. All that time spent just to be back exactly where we were a few years ago. Apple users should have to pay for upgrades and not be subsidised by everyone else. Until the next time Apple decides to break compatibility and all their users jump aboard
@@matdan2 L take
Well… Here at home here. I have an alternate pair of, control room monitor speakers. Not as fine as the ones,, in my control room. Nevertheless… The AU Version, you're right. It does not sound the same.. It sounds better. It has a more present, forward feel to it. It's fascinatingly different from your other plug-in. So, not sure what's going on there?
Frankly, every onne of these, plug-in types. From, Direct X to that of RTAS, VST-1 & 2 & 3. These are all packet sizing the data.. In different ways. And the consisstency is out the window. When compared to our former analog way of doing things. When you could get a good nulling out. Without all this frequency time delay multiplexing.. That really prevents audio from doing its own thing. That we as engineers have learned how to negotiate with.
And so largely I'm not a complainer. Tell me what you want recorded and I do it.. And you'll win awards with it. Because yes I am that good. And I know what I'm doing. And how to do it..
And so you are cute,, adorable and fun to watch and listen to. I see and hear a little bit of Mozart in everything you say. But it's likely just your accent that's, faking me out? But you'll do. You're cute. A cute kid. That one day. May figure out how to make great recordings. Under highly compromised conditions and equipment. Which can make one so much better. When you don't have all the goodies to work with. Then you have to put on your creative thinking Hat. And burst out from conventionality! You'll be glad you did.
You see… Sonny boy. Everything I record I record live. For records, FM and TV broadcasts. My first Internet stream was 1997. Counting Crows, live from Columbia Maryland. It was a good show. I didn't see the show. Except on TV. Because I was in the control room mixing it. Live. And acoustics can be frightening. You don't geet your choice. There's nothing you can do. The acoustics are awful! Everything is going to sound screwed up! And you can't let it be that way. It has to sound great. There is no other way. There is no other choice. You have to perform and succeed. And without anybody knowing, in all that is wrong and failing. And that requires quite a bit of engineering skill, knowledge, technique, experience.. To make it sound like a killer hit record. At last what I do and how I do it. Acoustics notwithstanding! Acoustics horrible! Bleed so bad. You think you're going to pass out. And die from lack of acoustics. But you forge on! Until the sound stops entirely. When the music is brought to a halt. For,, electrical thunderstorms. With lightning hits all around us. And the master power breaker was thrown. Yikes! Everythingg went black! Yet I was still conscious.. On planet Earth one moment. Somewhere in the black void beyond, next. And my control room ain't got no booster rocket! And it's tough to make live recordings like that. Kind of scary and creepy actually. But good solid fun nevertheless. And everybody has a good time until somebody loses an eye.
There cann be only one infinity
RemyRAD
Isn't the whole point of subscription models so that companies can 'keep our software up to date' without worrying about incurring compounding costs over the years? This should be native by now. Developers have had access to apple silicon machines for years!
There are too many SSL-based plugins on the market and most of those are uninspiring and un-needed!
An SSL subscription? They don't exactly have a large catalog of must have plug-ins.... That's actually surprising and kind of weird. I also dislike subscription models.
absolutely no excuse for a company to provide a subscription 'live service' for their plugins while simultaneously ignoring current system requirements. Native apple support having been out for a couple years now you'd think the adoption rate would be higher for those same companies offering a monthly rental bill on their software. Shameful really. I've stripped away any company who is clearly ignoring support in favour of profit in my plugin list. SSL is one of them
No it is not too much to ask for it to be apple silicon native. Even more so if it is a subscription. There is absolutely no excuse for this.
these plugins are so overpriced the ssl fusion is cool but each module is seperate ? that's really a disgusting way to market .why not a bundle or a single unit like the analog ssl fusion?
anyway the problem is that there are better options that cost way less.
It’s been two years since silicon now. Don’t support companies that aren’t native. Says a lot about the quality of their developers. We live in a world where there is like 20 alternatives to all plugins.
...NOT. DONE. (lol)
First! :)
lol
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your thumbnail is almost telling exactly where to place this plugin. i see first of all youre not amused, by closer inspection of your face i see a underlining emotion of joy tho. so, that means:
1: The most important properties (UI , advertisement, Payment-models) must be not fullfilled
2: secoundary properties are fullfilled (Sound)
haha, im just having bit fun.
First!
Some dude has bought an expensive drum kit and they there are other people (producers) who destroys the sound of it. Why are people smashing (destroying) their drum sounds?!? It sounds like s%#t! The only smashed drums that sounds good I´ve ever heard was The Levee Breaks with Led Zeppelin and those drums where mostly smashed because of the ambience of that really lively room. His drums sounded big and clear. And since that not so clever people has tried to replicate that in a really stupid way it sounds like small paper drums. Why don´t people think?!?
Isn't when the levee breaks literally heralded as why compressing your drums hard sounds good? We're talking 2 room mics with 10 db of compression blended HEAVILY into the rest of the kit. If you're talking about this video as your only example of why it's bad, I get it, but hes also pushing purposefully hard without using them in parallel to showcase the sound of the compressor.
Because drums in a room are boring. Smashing them super heavily isn't always good but there is a mid point in compression that is cool. It's an effect like anything but come on some of those huge 80s sounds are cool. If you want a natural jazz sound no but records are about being exciting. There are plenty of examples of heavy drum compression that sounds cool Phil Collins being the biggest example of this style of talk back compression.
@@Zorax2144 I get the idea of compressing the room mikes, that gives the sound a clear character and ambience, but mangle the near miked drums ... not a good idea. I´m not talking about this video more of a general sickness of destroying the drum sound by too much compression. An equally bad choice is stereo widening everything. I love to hear exactly where the guitar amplifier is in the mix, where the acoustic guitars are placed like in the Beatles´ or Stones´ tracks.
I think this sounds like shit. Tried the demo. I love their bus comp 2 though
That plug in sucks
There are no screws on the plugin. Pure snake oil.
It is too much to expect from 2 years old newborn baby to be liked and supported by everyone. Maybe in 5-6 years if that baby shows the real potential of use for everyone and not be so arrogantly expensive. You are TH-camr from Netherland who is making content for Americans and are using Apple products which are most popular there. From my knowledge in Europe, most people have PCs and are using Cubase, Reaper, Live, or Fl Studio.
You literally make no sense when you say you wouldn't buy a plugin if it doesn't support your OS. But you are willing to buy a system that doesn't support MANY plugins. Apple is literally a pain in the ass for all these plugin developers and APPLE is the problem. Not the plugin developers.
Music has gone to hell in a hand basket...none of this digital crap will ever have a true authentic analog feel...
Dont believe everything you think
Please cry more 🥺🥺
for the love of god stop the nail stuff
SSL still OWES Apple Silicon versions...WTF!!! where are they? UC1 and UF8 needs being finished, to get out of Beta....channel strip 2 and Mix buss comp needs M1/Silicon....Why are they sleeping? they have our money...and screw around with stupid SSL fusion hardware and master boxes no one needs, rather than doing the main job!!!