I was thinking of building this in 2009-2010 but didn't have the budget for parts (built only the casual bus comp in 2008) and then went totally ITB. Awesome to see them do this as a plugin :)
I think what makes the SSL G3 sound so sweet on the track is what it does to the kickdrum especially in the chorus. The kick sounds much heavier and punchier but in a very smooth way. One can feel the weight without it sounding to aggressive and jumping out of the mix. I really like that.
I have been doing this for a very long time by using abletons glue compressor. Duplicate so you have x3 and then use the sidchain function to set one as a low pass, one as mid and the last one as a high pass. Put a utility at the end so you have a main output. Group it together and there you go. You can do the same thing with abletons standard compressor.
One thing I realized about the latest SSL plugin update - and especially the new ones like the de-ess and stereo mastering EQ (haven't tried the multibus yet so thanks for this review) - they have really went deep into sound coloring. Oh, and yeah - I use SSL plugins heavily for day-to-day work.
I like the ssl interface so much that I bought their channel strip even though I had 2. They work very well with my controller, and they just feel so natural and familiar, not to mention stable. Channel and bus comp on every mix for me.
It certainly added some magic dust to that track. I'm a big fan of SSL plugins, especially the native channel strip and bus compressor. Intuitive interfaces with just the right amount of visual feedback and they sound really good even without oversampling. I'll definitely be checking this out.
i've been using the SSL bus compressor religiously on every single mastering project. No other bus compressor has given me such a good, tight, yet punchy sound in elements of a mix like the kickdrum (which is seen here as well, compared to the MB result which "mutes" a bit the transient). Can't recommend their compressors enough. Definitely grabbing this one for use both in mixing and mastering.
I´ll definetely demo this and then - maybe - wait for the sale...in the meanwile doing the multiband saturation/compressor thing with KBlue Cat's MB-7 Mixer might be worth a try. Here on the different bads you can use your favorite plug ins and build your own MB bus
Whyte, the G3 does auto gain when you hold the Shift key. Almost all the controls will auto gain with their counterparts when holding the shift key. 😊 After listening to your comparison with the Pro MB and can hear a clear colorization on the G3. It sounds more pleasant on G3.
It’s much more helpful than just a visual. He sadly didn’t show it in the video, but they are intractable parametric EQs for internal side chaining where you can use one bell shape, and a high and/or low pass filter to influence how the compression reacts per band. It’s a shame he often overlooks features in plugins, not reading the documentation or researching, like with the Black Box and Bettermaker EQ videos. They’re really first impression reaction videos rather than reviews like Dan Worrall would do, which I feel makes it unfair to gauge if a plugin is snake oil or not, and in such a short amount of time, which also makes some of his criticisms inaccurate.
I've just got it and it is SOOO good on the mix bus! It adds character even when off! I have FF MB too for more complex work but I find the G3 faster to use. Subscribing to the SSL collection has been one of my best decisions! Tx!
For a moment at 1.40 when questioning why its a must have, you did a perfect facial expression of Garth from Wayne's World. Why is analogue multiband hard, that sounds like another interesting video (like the oversampling one last week)
This looks great. As a glue I use Cytomics "the glue". A multi band of that would be sweet. I mean I've made one using FL Studios Patcher and crossover filters or you could always split into 3 mixer tracks...but it's always better in one plugin isn't it
My SSL G compressor is even gluier - so what you can do is to open up Waves Studio Rack - then add the Multi-Band-Split function x 5, and add the Waves SSL Buss Comp 5 times !!! Even if the Waves emulation of the SSL Buss Comp isnt the best this works well in a blind test !! - Enjoy !!
A point missing about fabfilter is that you could add multi and drive with Saturn. The crossovers would have to be the same though, which could maybe be done by assigning Pro-MB and Saturn crossovers to a macro. 🤔
i use most of the ssl plugins and so I am used to there interface. If you press that chain link by all the gain knobs it will link input and output and you can link the makeup gain and threshold
I own a few ssl plugins, it is the only brand where I do actually like the "hardware" look. But would like to see in the bottom window a curve of the signal instead of some kind of volume indicator.
I always have the SSL bus comp in my mix bus while compressing the low end in a different stage so it wouldn´t hurt to have this one ;) and I like the way it looks, thanks.
This ssl multiband compresor sounds very good! It's give a warm that is really good to have in your Mixbuss. Sound really nice, the pro MB feel a little bit too flat compared to the SSL
Yes its all subjective but I agree. The ssl sounds more open to me and FF sounds nice but kind of closed up or flat as you say, which might be desirable for a certain type of song.
Really sounds there is also going something on with stereo-linking on the compressor, when you A/B the SSL and the Fabfilter MB you can hear the mono channel staying very centered on the MB when the SSL pulls up a lot of activity from the side-channels
You could use the Fabfilter Saturn 2 to add saturation to the Pro MB, a lot more versatile saturation options but also a lot more work to dial it in compared to the SSL, and Fabfilter having it as a separate plugin is their way of making more money! Great vid as always, thanks for posting!
I've been doing this using the SSL Bus Comp in Waves' Studiorack. A bit fiddlier than having it all in one sleek interface, but does the job very well.
I tried their SSL bus comp 2 some months ago and it was very pleased by its transparency compared to other emulations. Im wondering if its possible to use this plugin as a 1-band compressor like a normal SSL, considering it would offer more posibilities also at a lower price compared to the bus comp 2.
Why do these companies always put the bypass button on the opposite side of the UI from the output knob? If they are not going to add autogain at least dont make it as hard as possible to AB and then adjust it.
That’s a really good fucking point! How much time and rsi would be shaved off during level matching, if the bypass and output knobs were always a tiny distance for a mouse to travel? Ironically, SSL is THE company that would take that to heart. Their entire existence, long before TH-cam existed and mere mortals knew their name, they’ve worked to make mixing more ergonomic by Listening to their users.
@Mansardian I use all the DAWs, but yes. Which is why I didn't think of what he commented. But essentially that's you and I working around a pretty common problem. As a UI best practices default, you Know that every plugin should be level matched. I hear lots of complaints about plugins Not including Auto-Gain in 2023. But I've never heard anyone point out that the two functions should Obviously be right beside each other.
I used it on a song and really like it. The only thing is the Logic Song was on an external SSD, and the "System overload - disk too slow" kept popping up. After moving the entire song to my internal drive it was fine. I don't know if anyone experienced the same thing but this plugin requires a fast SSD. I'm on a M1 Mac Studio Ultra so the computer should be fast enough.
I like the song, but the first thing I noticed is that the bass needs taming. I think you adjusted for it later on. I really enjoyed your review of the plug-in.
I'm evaluating this right now, and I think it's an excellent tool, although I am wondering out loud about how other multiband compressor licenses that I own could largely fit the same bill... I would recommend comparison with PSP's Old Timer MB and McDsp's 6034 Ultimate MB. Alternatively, one could load multiple VST3 versions of SSL bus comp into Waves Studio Rack, but the user experience is very cludgy compared to the dedicated interface of this plug... In playing around with it, I'm struck by the excellent sound and workflow. My free trial ends in 2 weeks and it flips to rent to own... I'm leaning towards not interrupting that flip.
Never thought I'd consider something over ProMB. There's something about the interface that is concrete, what you see is what you get, and hearing the results speak for themselves. ProMB is very user friendly and efficient but does give the option to use many bands and overcook quite easily. I'm not sure I'm the greatest fan of ProMB's percentages for attack and release instead of time either, its a bit confusing considering every other plugin displays time.
Thank you for making the video. I think I like SSL just too much and I am using a lot of their products.... well - I cannot think of not using their products since I like those a lot. Weirdly enough - SSL mix sounds like SSL - warm and nice whereas Fabfilter - Clinically clean but functional. So, I guess Fabfilter is good for mastering since it leaves no traces whereas SSL is good for anything else (in my opinion). Thanks again for making a nice video!!!
I really want to buy the track you used, but it seems you always say "this is sandstorm, by Darude", and every time it sounds like a completely different track than that rave thing I remember in the 90s. Today you said this is dancestorm by starude ( ? ) . Could you maybe link to the music tracks you use, in your video descriptions, just in case we want to go and buy them. Thanks Whytse
10:49 To my ears, it sounds as if "MB" is eating up all the fine details. While the G3 refines and emphasizes them. The lower frequencies also sound better in the G3.
I like compression to be as transparent as possible.. Some hardware compressors can add a sonic dimension that's pleasing and in that case cool.. I don't know if I've heard a software compressor/multiband do that intangible pleasing sonic thang !
Well shit!...that's really good isn't it!. On top of that "SSL sound", the addition of the drive control is a deal maker!. You can almost remix a track.........but the best thing about it is, SIMPLICITY!. Everything is clear and right in front of you. No hidden menus or duel function "buttons". Anyone can understand this and make it work, from novice beginner to advanced pro. Well done SSL 😏👏👏............Dance Storm never sounded so alive!!
It's cool, but I'm definitely not paying $199 for that. Your favorite glue compressor (ex. Bx Townhouse) plus DDMF Metaplugin while give you even more control, plus excellent oversampling options. Heck, there's nothing preventing you from throwing ProMB into DDMF, in seperate band splits, combined with your sautrator of choice.....aside from that ProMB wins with its extensive processing ability, such as its sidechain toggle, excellent lookahed, mid/side feature set. Etc
Great video as always!!!!! Man, please put the name of the group that you were playing. I know you mention them all the time but I think I'm spelling the name wrong. I need all their albums in rotation. They are dope!
I like skeuomorphs. I know that pure functional GUIs are very much en vogue, but I find them boring and I like the immediate familiarity you have with interfaces that mimic original designs. Add the UC1 to it and the experience comes close to using a console. At least for SSL’s channel strip, bus compressor and 4K B. And, hey, they didnt add fake wooden panels to the GUI ! 😅
Lindell MBC...is basically the same thing...but API.....I can this and Lindell MBC are probably the best idea on master bus because because You can Compress and Balance out your Highs lows and Mids at the same time
This SSL G3 is on my wishlist. The interface is fine with me, more important there's a nice jar of glue built-in. I'm not a fan of FabFilter, some sound like they're doing a good job, but there's something about them that makes me go meh.
I will use my Finalizer Plus (hardware) until the day it dies; always put it on the master buss and I love what it does. If it dies, I'll consider this plugin.
I'm on vacation so I haven't tried the software for myself yet, but on their website it indicates it integrates with the 360 ecosystem, can anyone explain how? I haven't seen any information about it.
I like the sound out of this SSL comp, GUI semi-meh but not a reason why I'd not get it. I think they should have called it the SSL GGC, it seems like it is doing with audio compression what Gorilla Glue does to materials, it's glued together but good. G3... Glued 3 times? PS one of the things I like about your demo videos, you're doing it your way. Upside-down or whatever, no matter, keep doing it.
With the Pro-MB, are you usually adding make-up gain so that the signal reaches 0dB at full compression (I know you should use your ears, but is that a good approximation)?
no, try to get your signal the same volume level it was before compression once you dial in your settings, called " gain staging ". vocals in any song are almost never at zero, usually below zero from -10 to -3 area but you know it depends on the track and feel.
@@VeracityTThe is asking about make up gain after multiband compression, not input gain. My answer is yes. The curve should be at 0db after compression
@@benbenzon I usually only use mulitband comps on single sources or on my inner buses. I thought they were asking after using multiband compression and the volume decreases, to use the make up gain for boosting to 0dB but that would depend on if the source was at 0dB before the compression which it wouldn't be starting at 0dB on a single source. Thats why I bought up gain staging to clarify my last comment. But I realize the source in this video is an entire song so the volume would be at zero before compression, thus after multi-band compression then yes use the makeup gain to get back to zero. Or am I still misunderstanding?
3 things the SSL G3 does in this clip that the Pro MB does not: 1) There's more click to the attack 2) The high band release is less transparent, giving it almost a Dolby B noise reduction sparkle 3) There's some weird pumping/breathing in a few parts of the song that don't happen with Pro MB To me, the Pro MB is very transparent whereas the SSL G3 sounds unavoidably compressed here.
It’s called, You missed a bunch of stuff! Although, this may be one of your best reviews yet. You seem to have gotten the main point: that this is a Glue Compressor, turned into a 3-band Glue Compressor. You also seem to have gotten dangerously close to understanding Why this style of GUI is the most popular and intuitive, and that SSL, who have been the Mercedes Benz of physical consoles, are quickly becoming the Apple of the hybrid audio ecosystem.
The problem is just that TH-cam wants the highest “average percentage viewed”, I would love to make my videos as extensive as possible, but I really have to edit some parts out to keep the people watching. Its kinda sad that this stuff works in this way
Okay.... I can be somewhat sympathetic to the fact that This is your business, how you make a living, and your numbers go up or down based on what the Algorithm wants. However, what the Algorithm wants shouldn't trump what You want your relationship with your viewers to be. Nor should the Algorithm's desires be more pressing upon you than your Viewers desires. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you do Review videos of Audio gear, for an Audience that uses and purchase that Audio gear. We watch you Because you review this stuff, Before we go out and buy it. I don't Love your Snake Oil shtick, but the concept of a reviewer warning me/us Away from gear that may be Snake Oil, and explained why, and maybe proposing alternatives, would be Extremely Valuable....to this Community. Placing the Companies/Developers and/or the Platform, TH-cam in this case, in Front Of your actual Audience and what they need, is a bit.... Well, I don't need to lecture you about this, but it's not the first time I've seen you try to hide Your decisions behind "the Algorithm made me do it!" Let me also say that, ironically I Really Do think that this is one of your better reviews. And I Hope you realize that many of us in the Pro Audio Community, your audience, are really impressed by what SSL has been doing over the past few years to Reinvent the company once again for a whole new generation and Era. Solid State Logic, IMHO is at the point where Apple Computers became Apple. The world's first Trillion, then 2-Trillion, and now 3-Trillion Dollar company. If you haven't yet delved into SSL360, you should sooner than later. Then imagine what happens if/when, they release 32-channel Interfaces, and launch a SSL DAW.
it sound almost like with the ssl not only the attack sounds smoother but also the drum (or "things") is/are a little bit delayed. like only a few or less then 1 ms. or its only that (delayed) i played around with delaying (drum) tracks by few ms (like minus 3 ms; like it seems like a magic number; well at least a starting point) in my techno production to get things smoother. this ssl thing feels like it doing something like that aswell. hmmmmm??
It’s pretty hard to argue with the ‘sound’ of this plugin. However, in situations where I need multiband compression, 3 bands is never enough. Like I end up with only one band in the middle that actually has the flexibility I need. I find I want at least 7 so I can have distinct compression zones with uncompressed space between. Rarely do I want a band that goes all the way up or all the way down.
I don't see how a TRUE auto-balancing would be possible. Compression is not linear as distortion. Threshold doesn't do anything if peak doesn't hit it. Gain reduction happens only when peak hits the threshold, meaning there is time when GR happens and a time it doesn't. The time when GR happens it is not linear either - if a peak just hit over the threshold then GR is pretty much none until attack comes into an action. Same goes for release - it pushes down for a while when peak goes below the threshold then relives the signal and it becomes unity gain. I'd appreciate if someone could point out what I'm missing. All I see possible is to do a fake auto-balancing by different measurements or averaging them.
Can someone please show me what the hell glue actually means? You know like an example track which is the opposite of glued together, and what it sounds like when it's "glued". Because I don't know what it is.
The design language of imitating physical devices is limited, in my opinion. It's not that bad, the knobs do a pretty good job of conveying where the settings are at. I'd replace the faux analog meters with a simple fft analyzer. Really helpful when deciding where to set those crossover points at a glance! Also, for a digital multiband, I kind of have the expectation that I'm going to use as many or as few bands as I'd like, and having it set up for 3 bands is a little limiting. Maybe a better set up would be to have band selector buttons (1, 2, 3, 4, ... etc.) that correspond to presets for however many bands. Also, the ability to split a current band into 2, or split two bands into three, is all you need to put together your uber versatile digital compression where you've got a band for dealing with sub bass, bass, mid, hi, and very hi bands. On second thoughts, maybe more than 5 bands doesn't make much sense.
mby 6 so you can have one dedicated for dessing within the hi-band (that probably would only rarely get used) but other than that .. yeah I doubt more would ever honestly be needed.
track is King Sis- day one
🔥🔥🔥🔥fire track
Ahhh yes King is so dope
hahahaha bruh, i came straight to the comment section in search for that 🤣🤣🤣 the moment he unmuted the rest of the instruments, I was like "WOAHHHH"
Dancestorm by Sadrude
I wonder where he got the multitracks or stems from.
I was thinking of building this in 2009-2010 but didn't have the budget for parts (built only the casual bus comp in 2008) and then went totally ITB. Awesome to see them do this as a plugin :)
I think what makes the SSL G3 sound so sweet on the track is what it does to the kickdrum especially in the chorus. The kick sounds much heavier and punchier but in a very smooth way. One can feel the weight without it sounding to aggressive and jumping out of the mix. I really like that.
I have been doing this for a very long time by using abletons glue compressor. Duplicate so you have x3 and then use the sidchain function to set one as a low pass, one as mid and the last one as a high pass. Put a utility at the end so you have a main output. Group it together and there you go. You can do the same thing with abletons standard compressor.
...lol....hard work :)
One thing I realized about the latest SSL plugin update - and especially the new ones like the de-ess and stereo mastering EQ (haven't tried the multibus yet so thanks for this review) - they have really went deep into sound coloring. Oh, and yeah - I use SSL plugins heavily for day-to-day work.
I really appreciate how SSL makes their own plugin interface. You know it's from them because of the look. Also, the plugin sounds great!
that can be said for a bunch of developers though, iZotope, Sonible, Melda, Tone Empire, Fabfilter are just a few. It's visual identity after all.
And I'm sure they appreciate that $300 that you'll be giving them 😂
I like the ssl interface so much that I bought their channel strip even though I had 2. They work very well with my controller, and they just feel so natural and familiar, not to mention stable. Channel and bus comp on every mix for me.
Yeah agreed, and I actually love the analog looking plugins. They are intuitive imo.
@@TheAlburp$29. I got two of their plugins now for $60 total. Would be $600. If you pay full price you're silly
1:41 - immediate fell in love with the interface. If you just put the meters next to each other, then it looks like it would be perfect. Wow.
It certainly added some magic dust to that track. I'm a big fan of SSL plugins, especially the native channel strip and bus compressor. Intuitive interfaces with just the right amount of visual feedback and they sound really good even without oversampling. I'll definitely be checking this out.
However, the Channel Strip could benefit from a bit more saturation, IMHO. It's a little too clean, and the HQ button provides little to no benefit.
That is insane brought the drums in front of the vocal how? this is crazy how smooth and nondestructive this multi band is wow
wow thats crazy wow wow wow its insane
i've been using the SSL bus compressor religiously on every single mastering project. No other bus compressor has given me such a good, tight, yet punchy sound in elements of a mix like the kickdrum (which is seen here as well, compared to the MB result which "mutes" a bit the transient). Can't recommend their compressors enough. Definitely grabbing this one for use both in mixing and mastering.
I´ll definetely demo this and then - maybe - wait for the sale...in the meanwile doing the multiband saturation/compressor thing with KBlue Cat's MB-7 Mixer might be worth a try. Here on the different bads you can use your favorite plug ins and build your own MB bus
Whyte, the G3 does auto gain when you hold the Shift key. Almost all the controls will auto gain with their counterparts when holding the shift key. 😊
After listening to your comparison with the Pro MB and can hear a clear colorization on the G3. It sounds more pleasant on G3.
That's good to know. Thanks
I agree, It also sounds a bit more open on the G-3 to my ears. The Pro MB is cool but it sounds a bit closed.
I love the visual representation on the bottom.. I think it will help people just beginning in the multi compression realm
It’s much more helpful than just a visual. He sadly didn’t show it in the video, but they are intractable parametric EQs for internal side chaining where you can use one bell shape, and a high and/or low pass filter to influence how the compression reacts per band. It’s a shame he often overlooks features in plugins, not reading the documentation or researching, like with the Black Box and Bettermaker EQ videos. They’re really first impression reaction videos rather than reviews like Dan Worrall would do, which I feel makes it unfair to gauge if a plugin is snake oil or not, and in such a short amount of time, which also makes some of his criticisms inaccurate.
I've just got it and it is SOOO good on the mix bus! It adds character even when off! I have FF MB too for more complex work but I find the G3 faster to use. Subscribing to the SSL collection has been one of my best decisions! Tx!
For a moment at 1.40 when questioning why its a must have, you did a perfect facial expression of Garth from Wayne's World.
Why is analogue multiband hard, that sounds like another interesting video (like the oversampling one last week)
This looks great. As a glue I use Cytomics "the glue". A multi band of that would be sweet. I mean I've made one using FL Studios Patcher and crossover filters or you could always split into 3 mixer tracks...but it's always better in one plugin isn't it
The glue is highly slept on
My SSL G compressor is even gluier - so what you can do is to open up Waves Studio Rack - then add the Multi-Band-Split function x 5, and add the Waves SSL Buss Comp 5 times !!! Even if the Waves emulation of the SSL Buss Comp isnt the best this works well in a blind test !! - Enjoy !!
A point missing about fabfilter is that you could add multi and drive with Saturn. The crossovers would have to be the same though, which could maybe be done by assigning Pro-MB and Saturn crossovers to a macro. 🤔
i use most of the ssl plugins and so I am used to there interface. If you press that chain link by all the gain knobs it will link input and output and you can link the makeup gain and threshold
I own a few ssl plugins, it is the only brand where I do actually like the "hardware" look. But would like to see in the bottom window a curve of the signal instead of some kind of volume indicator.
Please, do tell the name of the artist and song, I really liked the song
Sounds like King Sis
very smooth...and lush, right?
I'd like to know too
Without a doubt Sandstorm by Darude
King Sis - Day 1
I always have the SSL bus comp in my mix bus while compressing the low end in a different stage so it wouldn´t hurt to have this one ;) and I like the way it looks, thanks.
This ssl multiband compresor sounds very good! It's give a warm that is really good to have in your Mixbuss. Sound really nice, the pro MB feel a little bit too flat compared to the SSL
Yes its all subjective but I agree. The ssl sounds more open to me and FF sounds nice but kind of closed up or flat as you say, which might be desirable for a certain type of song.
Wow, it really is adding extra glue in comparison.
Will look out for this one
Really sounds there is also going something on with stereo-linking on the compressor, when you A/B the SSL and the Fabfilter MB you can hear the mono channel staying very centered on the MB when the SSL pulls up a lot of activity from the side-channels
You could use the Fabfilter Saturn 2 to add saturation to the Pro MB, a lot more versatile saturation options but also a lot more work to dial it in compared to the SSL, and Fabfilter having it as a separate plugin is their way of making more money! Great vid as always, thanks for posting!
I've been doing this using the SSL Bus Comp in Waves' Studiorack. A bit fiddlier than having it all in one sleek interface, but does the job very well.
I tried their SSL bus comp 2 some months ago and it was very pleased by its transparency compared to other emulations. Im wondering if its possible to use this plugin as a 1-band compressor like a normal SSL, considering it would offer more posibilities also at a lower price compared to the bus comp 2.
Why do these companies always put the bypass button on the opposite side of the UI from the output knob? If they are not going to add autogain at least dont make it as hard as possible to AB and then adjust it.
That’s a really good fucking point!
How much time and rsi would be shaved off during level matching, if the bypass and output knobs were always a tiny distance for a mouse to travel?
Ironically, SSL is THE company that would take that to heart.
Their entire existence, long before TH-cam existed and mere mortals knew their name, they’ve worked to make mixing more ergonomic by Listening to their users.
Hm. I made a shortcut to bypass single or all insert slots. So I don't even have to move the mouse away. Doesn't your DAW offer that option?
@Mansardian I use all the DAWs, but yes. Which is why I didn't think of what he commented.
But essentially that's you and I working around a pretty common problem.
As a UI best practices default, you Know that every plugin should be level matched. I hear lots of complaints about plugins Not including Auto-Gain in 2023.
But I've never heard anyone point out that the two functions should Obviously be right beside each other.
I used it on a song and really like it. The only thing is the Logic Song was on an external SSD, and the "System overload - disk too slow" kept popping up. After moving the entire song to my internal drive it was fine. I don't know if anyone experienced the same thing but this plugin requires a fast SSD. I'm on a M1 Mac Studio Ultra so the computer should be fast enough.
I like the song, but the first thing I noticed is that the bass needs taming. I think you adjusted for it later on. I really enjoyed your review of the plug-in.
I love your reviews bro. I'm interested on what you'd have to say about Black Rooster Audio plugins tho.
I'm evaluating this right now, and I think it's an excellent tool, although I am wondering out loud about how other multiband compressor licenses that I own could largely fit the same bill... I would recommend comparison with PSP's Old Timer MB and McDsp's 6034 Ultimate MB. Alternatively, one could load multiple VST3 versions of SSL bus comp into Waves Studio Rack, but the user experience is very cludgy compared to the dedicated interface of this plug... In playing around with it, I'm struck by the excellent sound and workflow. My free trial ends in 2 weeks and it flips to rent to own... I'm leaning towards not interrupting that flip.
Are we gonna ignore how good that song is ???? Damn!
Reminded me of Conner Reeves - check out his album Earthbound if you don’t know it… great songs and a a brilliant production.
@@Tony-yp7ok Thanks mate! Appreciated.
I made this in my mastering template years ago, and yeah it sounds great. No need to buy this plugin, just make it yourself right?
Love the vibe in the song. Who are the artists?
darude 🙁
song is great, plugin is great, you are great bro, keep the good work up!!!
Never thought I'd consider something over ProMB. There's something about the interface that is concrete, what you see is what you get, and hearing the results speak for themselves. ProMB is very user friendly and efficient but does give the option to use many bands and overcook quite easily. I'm not sure I'm the greatest fan of ProMB's percentages for attack and release instead of time either, its a bit confusing considering every other plugin displays time.
I've been using SSL plugins since the "Duende" days, and they really nail it.
Amazing how lifeless the mix sounds without the MB compression.
The SSL definately sounds fuller to my ears compared to the Fabfilter Pro MB!!
You made them sound almost identical but that bottom on SSL. Oh man sounded freaking good when you pushed harder.
Thank you for making the video. I think I like SSL just too much and I am using a lot of their products.... well - I cannot think of not using their products since I like those a lot. Weirdly enough - SSL mix sounds like SSL - warm and nice whereas Fabfilter - Clinically clean but functional. So, I guess Fabfilter is good for mastering since it leaves no traces whereas SSL is good for anything else (in my opinion). Thanks again for making a nice video!!!
YES! About time too - the GLUEIEST GLUE COMPRESSION!
I really want to buy the track you used, but it seems you always say "this is sandstorm, by Darude", and every time it sounds like a completely different track than that rave thing I remember in the 90s. Today you said this is dancestorm by starude ( ? ) . Could you maybe link to the music tracks you use, in your video descriptions, just in case we want to go and buy them. Thanks Whytse
10:49 To my ears, it sounds as if "MB" is eating up all the fine details. While the G3 refines and emphasizes them. The lower frequencies also sound better in the G3.
I like compression to be as transparent as possible.. Some hardware compressors can add a sonic dimension that's pleasing and in that case cool.. I don't know if I've heard a software compressor/multiband do that intangible pleasing sonic thang !
Well shit!...that's really good isn't it!. On top of that "SSL sound", the addition of the drive control is a deal maker!. You can almost remix a track.........but the best thing about it is, SIMPLICITY!. Everything is clear and right in front of you. No hidden menus or duel function "buttons". Anyone can understand this and make it work, from novice beginner to advanced pro.
Well done SSL 😏👏👏............Dance Storm never sounded so alive!!
PSP Oldtimer MB also very nice! But I like this one too. Actually 199 is a bit to expensive if you have already alternatives.
It's cool, but I'm definitely not paying $199 for that. Your favorite glue compressor (ex. Bx Townhouse) plus DDMF Metaplugin while give you even more control, plus excellent oversampling options. Heck, there's nothing preventing you from throwing ProMB into DDMF, in seperate band splits, combined with your sautrator of choice.....aside from that ProMB wins with its extensive processing ability, such as its sidechain toggle, excellent lookahed, mid/side feature set. Etc
Sounds amazing. Love it.
Bro was trying so hard to not like the plugin haha, thanks for the review bud ! ❤
Great video as always!!!!! Man, please put the name of the group that you were playing. I know you mention them all the time but I think I'm spelling the name wrong. I need all their albums in rotation. They are dope!
I like skeuomorphs. I know that pure functional GUIs are very much en vogue, but I find them boring and I like the immediate familiarity you have with interfaces that mimic original designs. Add the UC1 to it and the experience comes close to using a console. At least for SSL’s channel strip, bus compressor and 4K B.
And, hey, they didnt add fake wooden panels to the GUI ! 😅
Please, can you tell me where you got that awesome hoodie!
Lindell MBC...is basically the same thing...but API.....I can this and Lindell MBC are probably the best idea on master bus because because You can Compress and Balance out your Highs lows and Mids at the same time
I'm completely surprised that you haven't reviewed the Tegeler Audio Schwerkraftmaschine... worried that you'd have to buy it? 😁
I’m surprised about that as well
If you ask me, I'd be worried you'd ask me to spell it.
I can both spell and say it. I live near the German border 😉
@@Whiteseastudio I'm a bit further away. Pennsylvania.
Great day to you out there.
This SSL G3 is on my wishlist. The interface is fine with me, more important there's a nice jar of glue built-in.
I'm not a fan of FabFilter, some sound like they're doing a good job, but there's something about them that makes me go meh.
This thing is it on masterbus....Track Comp, Wiess MKII Full Bus Comp, this one and Lindell MBC....4 best mastering comp vsts out there
What mic are you using? Sounds excellent!
Pro MB is clear and/or surgical, and G3 is musical. Both very useful but expensive. Thx White Sea!
I will use my Finalizer Plus (hardware) until the day it dies; always put it on the master buss and I love what it does. If it dies, I'll consider this plugin.
I love the control layout, some multiband plugins are not clear about what the setting’s actually are.
I'd be interested in hearing this up against the Minimal Audio Fuse Compressor that came out yesterday!
Oxford'da kompressör vardı da biz mi kullanmadık?
I'm on vacation so I haven't tried the software for myself yet, but on their website it indicates it integrates with the 360 ecosystem, can anyone explain how? I haven't seen any information about it.
I like the sound out of this SSL comp, GUI semi-meh but not a reason why I'd not get it.
I think they should have called it the SSL GGC, it seems like it is doing with audio compression what Gorilla Glue does to materials, it's glued together but good. G3... Glued 3 times?
PS one of the things I like about your demo videos, you're doing it your way. Upside-down or whatever, no matter, keep doing it.
Hi! Did you ever try the Halo Metric multiband? That one is even glueierder! plus it has an audio gain per channel, very handy if used wisely :P
Impressive, like the sound !
Pro MB sounds muddy in comparison. perhaps its the dynamic phase mode being responsible for that?
With the Pro-MB, are you usually adding make-up gain so that the signal reaches 0dB at full compression (I know you should use your ears, but is that a good approximation)?
no, try to get your signal the same volume level it was before compression once you dial in your settings, called " gain staging ". vocals in any song are almost never at zero, usually below zero from -10 to -3 area but you know it depends on the track and feel.
@@VeracityTThe is asking about make up gain after multiband compression, not input gain. My answer is yes. The curve should be at 0db after compression
@@benbenzon I guess I misunderstood the question, help me out. what do you mean by the " curve " should be at zero?
@@benbenzon I usually only use mulitband comps on single sources or on my inner buses. I thought they were asking after using multiband compression and the volume decreases, to use the make up gain for boosting to 0dB but that would depend on if the source was at 0dB before the compression which it wouldn't be starting at 0dB on a single source. Thats why I bought up gain staging to clarify my last comment. But I realize the source in this video is an entire song so the volume would be at zero before compression, thus after multi-band compression then yes use the makeup gain to get back to zero. Or am I still misunderstanding?
@@VeracityTT Totally get your point, thanks for answering!
Mult the signal (via flock?) into 3x Ultraviolet EQs chained into 3x 500 series G-Comp? Or am I missing something?
Fabfilter adds more space in comparison,while vocal is centered less harmonic at SSL.Less movement also with SSL.
The song is an absolute banger.
Killer video. But that song… oh man.
You should do review of the arx afterburner compressor, you had 4 different bands if you have two of them
Good mix
So if I have the ssl bus comp and the free waves studio rack I can do the same thing?
Now that is an intuitive plugin!
I think I've found my new favorite 2-bus compressor. 😃
PS: I like the design of the interface.
3 things the SSL G3 does in this clip that the Pro MB does not:
1) There's more click to the attack
2) The high band release is less transparent, giving it almost a Dolby B noise reduction sparkle
3) There's some weird pumping/breathing in a few parts of the song that don't happen with Pro MB
To me, the Pro MB is very transparent whereas the SSL G3 sounds unavoidably compressed here.
I bought the hardware ssl fusion and it changed my life
SSL G3 is more present, gives shape to the bands and is solid and centered, instead the fabfilter is cleaner, airy, giving the sensation of lightness
You missed the threshold/make up link and the sidechain eq controls.
Its called video editting 🤭
It’s called, You missed a bunch of stuff!
Although, this may be one of your best reviews yet.
You seem to have gotten the main point: that this is a Glue Compressor, turned into a 3-band Glue Compressor.
You also seem to have gotten dangerously close to understanding Why this style of GUI is the most popular and intuitive, and that SSL, who have been the Mercedes Benz of physical consoles, are quickly becoming the Apple of the hybrid audio ecosystem.
The problem is just that TH-cam wants the highest “average percentage viewed”, I would love to make my videos as extensive as possible, but I really have to edit some parts out to keep the people watching.
Its kinda sad that this stuff works in this way
Okay....
I can be somewhat sympathetic to the fact that This is your business, how you make a living, and your numbers go up or down based on what the Algorithm wants.
However, what the Algorithm wants shouldn't trump what You want your relationship with your viewers to be.
Nor should the Algorithm's desires be more pressing upon you than your Viewers desires.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you do Review videos of Audio gear, for an Audience that uses and purchase that Audio gear.
We watch you Because you review this stuff, Before we go out and buy it.
I don't Love your Snake Oil shtick, but the concept of a reviewer warning me/us Away from gear that may be Snake Oil, and explained why, and maybe proposing alternatives, would be Extremely Valuable....to this Community.
Placing the Companies/Developers and/or the Platform, TH-cam in this case, in Front Of your actual Audience and what they need, is a bit....
Well, I don't need to lecture you about this, but it's not the first time I've seen you try to hide Your decisions behind "the Algorithm made me do it!"
Let me also say that, ironically I Really Do think that this is one of your better reviews.
And I Hope you realize that many of us in the Pro Audio Community, your audience, are really impressed by what SSL has been doing over the past few years to Reinvent the company once again for a whole new generation and Era.
Solid State Logic, IMHO is at the point where Apple Computers became Apple.
The world's first Trillion, then 2-Trillion, and now 3-Trillion Dollar company.
If you haven't yet delved into SSL360, you should sooner than later.
Then imagine what happens if/when, they release 32-channel Interfaces, and launch a SSL DAW.
hey friend, what do you think about the Focusrite Red 3??
it sound almost like with the ssl not only the attack sounds smoother but also the drum (or "things") is/are a little bit delayed. like only a few or less then 1 ms. or its only that (delayed)
i played around with delaying (drum) tracks by few ms (like minus 3 ms; like it seems like a magic number; well at least a starting point) in my techno production to get things smoother.
this ssl thing feels like it doing something like that aswell.
hmmmmm??
is that the magic of "glueing", together with the properties of a comp (attack and release)? i wonder.
I like the SSL plugin interface to be honest. It reflects quality.
I love this guy so much
Which mic are the vocals recorded in by the way . They sound so good like the industry sound.
love 8:11 the most
This thing sounds great. Love that spongey compression sound. Definitely gonna pick this up
I love the interface personally
Dang!!! I wish they had a controller for this , so I can control on the Master Bus!
ssl nucleus does it all
It’s pretty hard to argue with the ‘sound’ of this plugin. However, in situations where I need multiband compression, 3 bands is never enough. Like I end up with only one band in the middle that actually has the flexibility I need. I find I want at least 7 so I can have distinct compression zones with uncompressed space between. Rarely do I want a band that goes all the way up or all the way down.
Great video 🎉
I don't see how a TRUE auto-balancing would be possible. Compression is not linear as distortion.
Threshold doesn't do anything if peak doesn't hit it. Gain reduction happens only when peak hits the threshold, meaning there is time when GR happens and a time it doesn't.
The time when GR happens it is not linear either - if a peak just hit over the threshold then GR is pretty much none until attack comes into an action. Same goes for release - it pushes down for a while when peak goes below the threshold then relives the signal and it becomes unity gain.
I'd appreciate if someone could point out what I'm missing. All I see possible is to do a fake auto-balancing by different measurements or averaging them.
Artist/song please? Pretty please, with real analog saturation on top?
I found the Shadow Hills Mastering compressor to be the vibest , colourful, transparent and gluest compressor ever.
Can someone please show me what the hell glue actually means? You know like an example track which is the opposite of glued together, and what it sounds like when it's "glued". Because I don't know what it is.
Cohesion between the different elements in the mix basically
may i ask what microphone you are using in this video
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@@Whiteseastudio how do you like it
The design language of imitating physical devices is limited, in my opinion.
It's not that bad, the knobs do a pretty good job of conveying where the settings are at.
I'd replace the faux analog meters with a simple fft analyzer. Really helpful when deciding where to set those crossover points at a glance!
Also, for a digital multiband, I kind of have the expectation that I'm going to use as many or as few bands as I'd like, and having it set up for 3 bands is a little limiting.
Maybe a better set up would be to have band selector buttons (1, 2, 3, 4, ... etc.) that correspond to presets for however many bands.
Also, the ability to split a current band into 2, or split two bands into three, is all you need to put together your uber versatile digital compression where you've got a band for dealing with sub bass, bass, mid, hi, and very hi bands.
On second thoughts, maybe more than 5 bands doesn't make much sense.
mby 6 so you can have one dedicated for dessing within the hi-band (that probably would only rarely get used) but other than that .. yeah I doubt more would ever honestly be needed.
that vocal with the drive settings thooooo DANG