SSL NATIVE X-EQ?? ANTI-CRAMPING??
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INDEX:
00:00 - Intro
00:34 - The Website
01:36 - Anti-Cramping
06:22 - Other Features
06:32 - The Interface
09:13 - Testing
10:55 - Comparing with Fabfilter
13:16 - Phase and Impulse response display
17:40 - Conclusion
18:37 - Outro - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
A year or 2 ago I fell in love with the sound and the GUI of this EQ. There are so many filter types, and the sound is so open and clear. I use it as my main EQ now for Music. Film and TV work. Of course in music I will use 1073 and other vibey plugs and hardware, but for surgical, or basic EQ, this is my main go to.
Film and TV work is what i use it for too.
Cramping happens as you approach Nyquist . The right side of the bell will start to deform and not be symmetrical anymore. Much different from aliasing where you actually have harmonic distortion folding back into the audible range. It is possible to design a filter that is “decramped”, so that the frequency response matches what you’d expect if the nyquist limit was a wall that the filter just slides behind, rather than is squished by it.
it seems to me that you shouldn't need this filter than if you're working at a higher sample rate? if your Nyquist is 48K.... ?
@@hopetownsound no, the nyquist is at HALF of the samplerate.
@@aboliguu1168 I'm not sure what you think I was talking about, but 48 would be half of 96k
@@hopetownsound oh sorry, I thought you were talking about 48khz sample rate… then you are probably right
Some software engineering skills here. I think SSL is probably oversampling the high frequency range in real time (or emulating the results of having done so) while staying very attentive to keeping the cpu load as low as possible. Also, this plugin is on sale today for 34.99 USD, down from 300 USD.
pro-q also has the gain-Q interaction thing
"I'll decide that for myself" damn you got my vote man!
That’s a neat GUI design, they took “direct manipulation” by heart. Any software developer / UI designer please take note of it.
They do $39/$49 deals here and there which is awesome. I've got the X EQ 2, Channel Strip 2 and Bus Comp 2 all for $88 total through their sales.
In Fabfilter's Q3 atleast, you can hold Shift for extra sensitivity. Hold Shift + Alt for "locking" horizontal/vertical movements while adjusting.
I had this EQ for over a year…opened it today for a mix and my mind was BLOWN!!!!
I've been using SSL plugins since their "Duende" days. When I installed their console plugins, it was the first time my "in-the-box" mixes sounded like an outboard, analogue mix, to me.
Good to know :)
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do you know the differences between Valve and X-comp ?
@@Renaxelo nope. I only use the console plugins. Master bus, channel strip and vocal strip.
Me as well. Still have the Duende hardware unit!
Hey Whitesea! THANK YOU for this fabulous video. I was trying to figure out how to use this SSL EQ, and your teaching about phase & eq was really insightful. Thanks man, keep up the good work!
Always refreshing to hear you be honest when you don't know something or haven't heard of a particular term. I'm going to give this a demo and see how it compares on my own productions.
seriously inspiring! To see you a) being honest about a gap in your knowledge and b) learning new stuff 'live' and sharing your learning with us. Very encouraging to me as a student of audio processing. Many thanks
(ps I watched Dan's video on Cramping just prior to watching this one. You both make a great team :))
audio processing? wth? is this?
@@jasonchu4400 That's when you process audio.
Here's a tip you don't mention in the video but may have already noticed. The EQ dials are speed sensitive relative to the mouse/trackball movement. Move it slowly and the values change quicker. Move it faster and the values change more slowly. Hold down Command on the Mac (I don't know the Windows version equivalent) while moving and the values change even slower (finer control).
I got a lot of cramping while making music, but then I solved it by using a trackball.
Thanks I was looking for a upgrade from my f6 today and was considering fabfilter but with that 179 price tag is steep for a home studio guy like me but this one looks like it fits me best! Thanks for the honest reviews! Appreciate you big bro!✌🏼
I get cramping every night in my leg and/or feet in bed, should I plug myself into this? Then my gf cramps my style when we go out in the evening. My flat is so small I'm cramped. If this solves all my crampation/crampness I will buy it.
If your flat is small, just boost the highs and widen it to reduce the cramping!
...I'll see myself out.
well, nutrition my man. Bananas would be a start. And if you still have problems maybe consider a bit of excercise, stretching and cuddling.
Better buy Magnesium Pills ! 😉😎😂
Oh cramp..🤣😜🙃😉
Thought exactly the same about the GUI, and it doesn't actually surprise me SSL decided to take that approach. Their controllers show they're at least thinking about continuing to innovated in the digital realm.
"Cramping" means the bell curve gets squeezed against the Nyquist frequency so that the curve doesn't retain its natural shape as you move up in frequency.
I bought this after seeing this vid and that it was on sale, and I use it on nearly every single track of every mix. Surgical and musical; you don’t have to be afraid of doing large boosts, they sound awesome-especially in the high end. It’s fantastic, and being able to automate the a and b is super useful for creative applications.
Thanks for reviewing this!
I can't understand why noone remarked on how good that shaker sounded on the SSL
Exactly
Needs more cowbell
thank you for the video. ive recently started using the SSL channel strip v2 which also using anti-cramping and i've really noticed how much it helps keeps the top end clear when implements many instances. I will use that channel strip on all of my stem outputs going to my analog summing. there's something to it. multiple instances sum much nicer than UAD or plug-in alliance channel strips.
I didn't buy the EQ that you're reviewing because I have so many plug-ins I don't use, but now I'm thinking I should pick it up lol.
Thanks for the good video. The Geek Stuff was very helpful as well as the plugin introduction.🙏
What I've always liked about the SSL plugins (not the accompanying ones with the new dedicated controller, which have the controller to fit the plugins looks) is they're all computer relevant, instead of trying to look like hardware... this EQ is so great on top on it all... For the first year, I will be going with subscriptions to figure out what I need... the SSL collection is one of the more confident collections... I get the issue with subscriptions as an overall thing... but budgets are often causing great costs over time... having more money to invest can save you money... and this is the business world that is always helping already rich ones
Good presentation!
The features you discovered are also available in the previous Native 6 versions with the exception of the new "Anit-Cramping" algorithm.
Would suggest that you load the SSL Channel Strip across normal tracks of a mix and see how fast you can pull a mix together.
One trick for the channel strip compressor is to slam the threshold and slowly increase the ratio, adding peak & fast mode as needed.
Thank you for explaining phase. That's the best explanation anyone has given in my opinion.
Great vid as always sir. Could you review the SSL valve compressor please 🙂👊🏼
Very informative, Thanks!
I Have This EQ For A Few Months And Love The Way Sounds At The Top End
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU USED DARUDE - SANDSTORM. I liked that song when I was a kid. Thank u for using that song in this video
I just bought this on special, I did own a piece of SSL, an X-patch, it's just excellent gear. Now I am truly impressed with what this plugin EQ does :).
The phase response statement is why EQing in solo can be incredibly problematic.
you are an amazing person, thanks for the amazing and very well made videos
Thank you
yay! thx for the review.
great vid! thx guy!!!!
An interesting attempt to tackle phase mismatch especially in the bass region: Sound Radix Pi. It is a tricky and original plugin. Many times it produces unpleasant artifacts. But when it works, it is amazing how much it can fix, for example, the punchiness of a kick drum + bass + distorted guitar low growl. I recommend a thorough demoing of it if you care about phase issues.
You are such an honest guy... Thanks for that!
A discussion of cramping behavior should probably include any impacts on phase shifting and latency to be complete. Dan Worrall talks about EQ cramping as well as these other topics in his "what's wrong with stock plugins?" videos, where he compares FabFilter's Pro Q3 with Reaper's ReaEQ and Ableton Live's EQ8.
looks good man. hope your well.
Thanks for a review!
Great Review thanks so much 👍🏽🔊
SSL plugins are top level and this one is no exception. Thanks for this excellent video -your videos are all excellent btw. I wonder how Eventide's SplitEQ stands up when compared to FF ProQ and SSL Native X-EQ 2 :) Cheers!
Yeah, I bought this one immediately after trying it when it came out. So good.
Hey, such a nice review, could you please review Acon Digital equalize 2.
Please.
+ I have ssl bundle, do you recommend using this eq over my main acon digital equalize 2?
If you want to increase the mouse precision of Fab Filter spot handling just press SHIFT while you move it, if you want to use X/Y axes (Freq/Gain), hold ALT, you have the same thing of that interface. With CONTROL you can handle Q if you don't have the mouse wheel, it works in combination with SHIFT if you want a precise Q.
This use of SHIFT, ALT, CONTROL combination to improve mouse sensitivity and moving on grids and axes is a PC convention many audio/graphic software do.
Loving the whole NATIVE bundle from SSL
another nice video :D
I'd like to see you do a video on the amek 9099 by plugin alliance. Thanks for your time and effort in what you do.
Dan Worrall has discussed cramping in depth in several of his videos. If you're nerdy like that you would do well to watch everything he's ever done, but you can start here:
th-cam.com/video/3OoVnTO3AB4/w-d-xo.html
It would be interesting to see a CPU usage comparison between the Fab Filter EQ and the X-EQ to be able to show us if the "Anti-Cramping" claims from SSL development are effective on our machines? It's a pretty slick EQ in every way. Great video thank you :)
Is it a lot of CPU usage
This EQ contains much of Algorithmix Blue, which was re-released not so long ago as 64 bit & VST3 by MAAT.
I would seriously buy this just because of all these convenient features. Cant wait for them to implement maybe dynamic eq or linear phase then im 100% sold
SSL does have the vintage EQ cause I have it. I with they would of combined this with that. But this is nice and what I really want. 💯💣👍 I have the Reverb from SSL and it's really dope. and SSL supports offline computers.
Very beautiful interface, I must say.
I'm not a math-dsp expert but I think anti-cramping is just how they called the way they deal with digital distortion (ghost mirrored harmonics and q-factor deviations) when equing frequencies near Nyquist.... without relying on oversampling.
When there is one plugin suite, that is 100% not snake oil, then it’s SSL Native. They’re all equally amazing.
These plug ins blow, waves, slate and T Racks away!!
They don't have side information, like analogue hardware does, hence why digital is so flat and harsh.
As someone who came from the Analog world to then having $10k of plugins. I am plugin-ed-out. How much different do they all sound? Still in 2021 no one has been able to digitally reproduce a Valve or Transformer with any realism. But I digress, think I may buy another plugin.
I’ve been using Pro Tools since V5, and this is the first time I’ve heard of Anti-Cramping 😅 I did abandon Avid’s EQ for FF, many years ago. Nice UI on the SSL. The price might be a lot for some, but it sounds good.
ssl channel strip 2 also uses anti cramping check it and the bus compressor 2 also very worth it
Hi from Brazil!
From my understanding (can't recall where I read this), both this an the MAAT EQs use their curves/algorithms from a company called Algorhythmix.
Thank you for the video!
By the way - do you make your music? Would be very interesting to listen to it!
He doesn't.
wow, sounds good
Man, if only the X-EQ2 had dynamic compression like FabFilter does...
Yoooo I'm waiting on this!!!
there is a difference between dynamic eq and mutliband compression. Dynamic EQs are not Multiband-compressors with a small Q. But yes, the option for dynamic EQs should become mandatory, especially for EQs that cost 300 Bucks.
@@akagerhard They aren't? What are they, then?
@@SamFerrara A compressor compresses/folds a signal. That means that while ALL parts of the affected area get "turned down" it is a PROCENTUAL (%) effect. That means that the louder parts of the signal (or frequency-selection) are affected more than the quieter parts. An equalizer simply increases or decreases the chosen frequencies by by a fixed amount.. it doesn't "fold".. that means every part of the frequency is affected exactly the same, not procentual, but ABSOLUTE - for instance -6 db. Imagine a Dwarf and a Troll living in the frequency-area you want to affect.. when you fully affect (via lowest threshold) them with a compressor (2:1 ratio) the troll who was 12 feet is suddenly 6 feet big.. means he loses 6 feet of height.. and the dwarf who was 3 feet is suddenly 1,5 feet.. only losing 1,5 feet. When you affect them with an eq (-2dB/feet) the troll and the dwarf both only lose 2 feets to their height.. which means the troll is now 10 feet tall and the dwarf 1 feet short.
Now in case you are wondering: "But Gerhard, dynamic EQs don't always substract the exact range I put in" .. I'll explain it to you. You set the Threshold and the range.. now if if you set the range to -2 dB for instance and the signal is only 1dB over the threshold, only 1 dB of reduction will occur - (no compression) clean reduction. But it doesn't matter wether the signal is 2, 4, 6 or 12 dB over the Threshold.. it will never reduce more than 2 dB, if the range is set to -2 dB.
Hope that helps :)
@@akagerhard Sounds like your just describing how one specific dynamic eq works. By that definition TDR Nova isn’t a dynamic eq. Tokyo Dawn seem to think differently.
i did learn a lot
Phaseshift doesn't automatically mean frequency cancellation, that you are presuming @ ~ 16:00 . Phase cancellation is more likely to be occuring between multi mic/channel recordings of the same signal (e.g drums or bass with di and amp signals etc..) But linear eq settings sometimes come with a pre-ringing effect, so you never know, what the bigger problem is, untill you're actually running into it... I generally don't care unless something unexpected/audible happens.
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In FabFilter Q3, the little cog icon next to the Q dial essentially does the same thing to the Q as is happening in the SSL, where the peak gets narrower as the gain increases (or decreases). It's per-instance rather than per-band though.
Also, holding Shift makes your EQ points move slowly like the thing you were getting very excited about.
According to Dan Worrall, oversampling kind of tackles cramping since nyquist moves up one octave, but iirc overall regular digital eqs should not need oversampling at all and instead be programmed in a way to tackle cramping.
dmg audio equilibrium BEST!
Waves Phase can do some helping with the tone phasing adjustments........helps a lot....plus, it could be bypassed for certain parts only and turn off when no needed in automation.......
If you guys are recommending Dan Worrall's eq cramping video to Wytse, he obviously watched it in preparation for this video. Have you ever seen him null two eq's by adjusting the q before? That's Dan's methodology! But, I hadn't seen Dan's video before so I'm glad that you guys recommended it to ME. Thanks!
Fun fact is that I didn’t see Dan’s video 😅
I am just an intrested sound liking guy and video post person but even I really like your nerdy trips thaugh you really describes them so good. I am using the Izotope RX7 and Ozon and more but dont have any Daw for theire really good filters as Dialogue Match and others I have seen on your chanell. The ProoTools is to expensive
and by far not complicated in my flield. Can you recomend any use friendly Daw for average use with on purhase where you can impliment most of 3 parts filters ? ex for this eq wich I also really, realy liked.
Pro Q-3 sounds quite different In “Linear Phase-Medium” mode. Was noticing comparisons early on with Pro Q set to “zero latency”. That will indeed sound very different from the X-EQ2
check out dan worral's eq testing videos, he talks about cramping quite a bit. i think the fabfilter was one of the first eq's that prevented cramping from happening, but most newer revisions of stock eq plugins have it now built in too. when i remember correctly, what they do is to combine the deformed peak-eq curve with a shelving filter when the nyquist limit is approached. but for a true (meaning analog equivalent) phase response, there is no way around oversampling.
Haha: "Im geeking, I think..." Too funny. Dont worry, we are all geeking right along with ya.
This ssl native eq2 is More Build it in the way of the Software-eq‘s in the Bigger live & broadcast consoles from ssl like systemT s500/s300 or l550 ... and they are really Good!!!
Time to check out SSL UC1 - it's the first plugin controller in my studio that improves my overall mix quality and stops me using my mouse. Go for it... do a "Is SSL UC1 SNAKE OIL?"
There's a video on TH-cam called "don't cramp my eq" or something. That explains it all. I found this video - this video here as a recommendation after watching that one
You are talking about Dan Worrall's - Don't Cramp My EQ Style? Are you not? If people do not know about Dan Worrall btw, deffo check out his vids. He has tonnes of knowledge.
My virtual Nyquist cramping draws me closer to SSL's monthly package. They might also have a plug-in to reduce ligyrophobia (the mid-side strain). 🔊
I wondered with saturation if it would be possible with DSP to calculate what aliasing the input signal would generate and then deduct that from the output signal. But for all I know that may end up using more CPU than just oversampling.
A phase response is a derivative of the eq curve function.
:D
Was it me or did the SSL EQ sounded a bit smoother than the Pro-Q 3?
This eq sounds really good ... It's right up there with Sonnox
SSL notices that FabFilter does it right and quietly climbs aboard the bandwagon because people want quality not old graphics to look like a desk
Preferred the Fab filter sound TBH. Interesting EQ Protools tip : hold CTRL + SHIFT while selecting an EQ band in the GUI . Cool as phuq. ( works on PT eq and some other 3rd party plugs}
Brother that q factor peak is already part of Pro-Q3 , when u increase band gain the q becomes narrower on the top. There is a small button beside band gain knob.
Cool i have the v1 version but never use it very much bcs there's fabfilter lol.
The v2 looks and sounds much better. Can't wait for the big discount before they release the v3 version lol
A Review of MD4 would be very interesting. Maybe in comparison to the Fab Pro MB.
I have heard the ringing before.
I did "cramp" my style and mix
it also adds ZERO latency to the project, unlike FF pro-Q 3 which adds 106.7ms latency (on my computer)
Wouldn't you keep it a trade secret if you invented "oversampling" without dramatic CPU usage?
It’s a great marketing point to add to your product. So if you meant a secret to the customer, nah I think they’d flaunt it instead. But to other developers, maybe they would
@root I know! It is a way to avoid oversampling.
Have you tried Ssl native channel strips and bus compressor as well ?
its a very staight forward yet awesome souding eq, what more could you ask for. its SSL so it has to be good and it definitely is.
I was about to mention plugin doctor when I saw the comment about dan worral, but also, proQ3 has the function where the gain and Q can be independent or dependent on each other just this like analog gear. It's a small gear button on each band that functions globally, gold and purple colored.
The SSL eq sounds x1000 times better than Fab Filter Pro-Q 3. This is a good demostration of it.
11:59 they are the same. They null.
@whiteseastudio I really would love to see a snake oil video about the SSL Channel Strip 2 and their Fusion Plugins!
Hey Wytse, please check out Dan Worral's video on stock EQs vs FF Pro-Q. He explains cramping very nicely there.
I think the discrepancy with the Q factor has brought up something I've been thinking about lately. Am I correct in that classic console EQs have their sound because EQ moves have a particular curve to them along with the preamp drive creating saturation? If so, could you not get 80-90% of the way there using something like Pro-Q3 and its ability to have plenty of filters to create that same EQ behavior? Or would all the extra filters to recreate 1 curve cause too much phase shifting or something?
For example, the Pultec thing winds up being a boost to the low end with a small dip right above the boost to clean up some of mud in the low mids which tightens things up (again, correct me if I'm wrong). Could you not get close to a null by applying 2 filters in a digital EQ to recreate that same curve behavior and then applying some kind of "aNaLoG" saturation plugin before or after to get the same effect?
I guess my point is that do you really need console emulation plugins if you can recreate the EQ curves manually? Obviously if you can afford them, it's easier to throw one on and not have to dial in multiple filters to achieve the same effect, but if money is an issue and/or time isn't an issue then you should be able to get the same with a free digital parametric EQ