Double Stopping, playing two notes at the same time..... Why is it called double stopping? They're called double stops because you are playing two notes at once. On a technical level, a 'stop' is a term for fretting the strings. You are stopping the vibration of the open string with your left hand.
You 're legend, Witze!!! Judging from the reviews, looks like you will stir some s*it up in the mastering business, and some colleagues of yours may get a little angry at you. I'm excited to see how it will all fold out, and wish you nothing less than a storming success in your venture.
Danger good, okay? This technique is used to enhance bass in processes where headroom is at a premium and the same is also done with in the high end of the audio spectrum but they call it something like an "Exciter". I wish I knew how to properly use them and how they affect other upstream and downstream processes.
The only plugins I've found that aren't stable on Mac are the Plugin Alliance stuff. I've been waiting for months for them to update their plugins to work with Ventura. I wouldn't have updated my operating system if I'd known it was going to be an issue. But I needed to update it for other reasons. So now I'm stuck in a situation where Plugin Alliance stuff is an integral part of my workflow, but it crashes my Logic sessions dozens of times a day. Never had a single problem with any other company though. I use all the major ones -- Waves, UAD, Softtube, Soundtoys, Fab Filter, etc.
As soon as I saw this on the SSL site a few hours ago, I installed it (I have the SSL complete subscription). I'm currently working on a song that did indeed have a weak bass, and although there are other ways to add heft to it, this was easy, focused, and sounds great. It was a fast process too. I'm a recent convert to the SSL ecosystem, as I spent a lot of hours on SSL consoles in the late 80s and early 90s. It's infinitely easier for me to dial in a mix using their stuff, but that's mostly from "muscle memory". I strongly advise anyone with ANY experience in the analog console days to try out the SSL stuff.
I use this thing on bass guitar all the time, the secret is to use narrower bands and search out the most musical frequencies to have it gain up, usually the root note of the key the song is in if that’s possible.
I only have two subscriptions, and SSL is one of them. I went from indifference to love with these guys. They're putting a lot of effort into their plugins.
This seems like it does a very similar thing as my DBX 510 hardware unit. I basically only use it for kick drums though or sometimes orchestral bass drums for that extra impact.
right off the bat this almost looks like its great for simply monitoring those super low frequencies to find clashing or tightening some eq in those ranges.
2:48 The range from the lowest value (1) and the highest value (11) is 10. If the lowest value on the knob was labelled 0, then the highest value on the knob would then be labelled 10. I'm just pointing out, the distance from 1-11 is still a distance of 10.
A new plugin from a particular vendor doesn't have to be something new or make a revolution. Sometimes you just want that your favorite vendor releases a plugin with that functionality, just because you love this vendor, you are very loyal to it, and maybe you want to buy this vendor bundle only.
@@G.GordonMidicustomer & product support. I stick with RME, for instance, because they keep their promises. If something goes wrong, they make it right. Not so much “loyalty” as it is trusting your hard earned dollars only to those who demonstrate that they’re worth trusting.
I'm hearing frequencies I've never heard before, using my Genelec 8040B monitors. Usually, I can only hear down to 36hz on these, but I think I heard lower frequencies for a moment, in this video. :P
I have been using Leapwing Root One to satisfaction - I agree even with discount, Leapwing is mostly +50 bucks. I predict Leapwing is working more surgical....might require a side-by-side test.
Spot on about timing/envelope control. It's not typical for subharmonic generators to do that, but it would be a great way to keep the generated subs tight and not boomy or muddy.
Hey White Sea: Great video, as usual. With the "length control," I can't think of any other sub-harmonic synth that has that kind of control. The original Transient Designer had both "attack and sustain..."?
Oh there asre definitely sub-harm generators with length controls, I think its needs to be a spectral processor in order to do that? To my ears it sounded like it was lengthening the windows, any window with bass content in it would have bass generated through the entirety of the window, and the plugin (something by melda i think?) ran with lag to allow those windows to line up properly while still allowing for the spectral processing. In other words, I don't think you can get this length control unless you are running with a lag, otherwise the bass would sound late, mushy, and flammy.
And is almost a copy from Waves Vitamin Sonic Enhancer that last for years now. The only difference is, that the Vitamin Sonic Enhancer is not a plugin that you can set and forget. On the buss there is mostly a SSL compressor to glue those tracks.
this is new and not really new...., it seems using the same bass/drive treble/drive coming from their Drumstrip that is a pure beast ! I'm happy to get it for free on the subscription plan but not sure to use it so many
Ah mate, another great plug review! 😃 I like the fact that it has a high-quality sub-bass generator and the sub-bass harmonic synthesizer thing with 4 configurable bands. The 70s transistor-style drive and grit for adding bite to bass is gonna be good... I guess I am gonna save up for this one.
the SSL drum strip is probably a better solution for separated drum treatment. pretty the drum strip is the same tech as this with individual channels, one for kick and one for snare. it's amazing
I also rather to know how things work…so…adding harmonics probably can be achieved by adding a tone at a certain frequency? Most probably with an equaliser, bell and very narrow q, later most probably adding “saturation” in form of any amplifier would do the job. Or…how is it working then?
All that extra bottom end, is it affecting the top end when listening on the speakers? It was very minimal on headphones, then again, with all the compression on TH-cam, hard to know for sure.
My Audeze MM-500 headphones. Holy crap with this demo. I am feeling something falling out of my head as your light came out. Thanks another great snake oil video
Could maybe lengthen it by using in parallel, one channel completely wet and the other without the effect and use a transient designer on the completely wet track??? Should have those controls really... maybe a update can include that?
this plug-in sounds very useful but idk why you'd ever wanna put a sub on a snare like that. however i love it on bass. bass players use octave pedals all the time. not the same thing but lower octaves on bass sound awesome. of course you need to be careful with that but through an amp you're gonna get a roll off so it's no biggie.
Some genres want the snare down almost as low as the kick, lots of different EDM and other electronic stuff, for example. Others that would sound a bit absurd haha
The plugin is very interesting, works as a pultec for bass and its great for relevant low end. I'll Definitely buy this. I saw ur IA site and... HANDS DOWN! Can't wait for the release to use it.
Not a fan after A/Bing with traditional parallel to hard compression + pultech or even WAVES loAir… The - octave just sounds unnatural - even at low dry/wet levels…
Lo inico que no me gusta esque mi bajo suena como con una octava mas grabe y la original, si hubiera posibilidad de quitarle esa octava grave estuviera genial
I'm skeptical (and frustrated), I have lots of saturation plugins, none of them really give me the kind of bass I hear in homemade music from the early 90s. The idea that adding saturation to the low end to make it heard does help... but it's not everything. I'm trying to get rich low end that sounds like low end, not obvious saturation that's adding tons of harmonic to the midrange.
Mmm, wondering if it sounds better than Bx Sybsynth which has 3 bands, but failed each time I tried it on a pure bass or acoustic bass sound, adding bad frequencies... I have the feeling this one has the same problems... and if you just want to beef up a kick drum, then well, a fixed frequency does the job, so something such as the basic 50hz Kicker from Reaper would be perfect :)
I had to stop the video and comment.. At the same point you lost a light I had some stuff fall off my wall. You Farted My Sub...... lol funnie shit... LMAO
hope stereo imaging is ok with this SSL plugin. I recently bought SSL FlexVerb and all the reverb algorhithms there are "crooked sidewaves", they're either mono or one side sounds completely different from the other one, the worst thing being difference reverb lengths between L and R channel, so its unusable for me
almost everything plugins you review it, need AutoGain! thanks for the idea wss, im working on it to make AutoGain plugins with some screws, scratch, knob with shadow! and..... yes its free
Nop but Basslane is way more useful and difficult to reproduce with other plugins. Subgen you just isolate any band in a parallel track and add some distortion/harmonics
Did you see this review of my new mastering service already?
th-cam.com/video/pcxdLIRtEtk/w-d-xo.html
Double Stopping, playing two notes at the same time.....
Why is it called double stopping?
They're called double stops because you are playing two notes at once. On a technical level, a 'stop' is a term for fretting the strings. You are stopping the vibration of the open string with your left hand.
Yup. Waiting for it :)
You 're legend, Witze!!! Judging from the reviews, looks like you will stir some s*it up in the mastering business, and some colleagues of yours may get a little angry at you. I'm excited to see how it will all fold out, and wish you nothing less than a storming success in your venture.
Fools of April
Those lows really translated even in headphones, that is a dangerous beast. I like.
Yeah, I'm listening through a cheap Apple Earpods (new for less than 20€) and the result is incredible.
Danger good, okay?
This technique is used to enhance bass in processes where headroom is at a premium and the same is also done with in the high end of the audio spectrum but they call it something like an "Exciter". I wish I knew how to properly use them and how they affect other upstream and downstream processes.
What amazes me about SSL plugins as well is that they are very stable on Mac OS. Even on Ventura.
The only plugins I've found that aren't stable on Mac are the Plugin Alliance stuff. I've been waiting for months for them to update their plugins to work with Ventura. I wouldn't have updated my operating system if I'd known it was going to be an issue. But I needed to update it for other reasons. So now I'm stuck in a situation where Plugin Alliance stuff is an integral part of my workflow, but it crashes my Logic sessions dozens of times a day.
Never had a single problem with any other company though. I use all the major ones -- Waves, UAD, Softtube, Soundtoys, Fab Filter, etc.
As soon as I saw this on the SSL site a few hours ago, I installed it (I have the SSL complete subscription). I'm currently working on a song that did indeed have a weak bass, and although there are other ways to add heft to it, this was easy, focused, and sounds great. It was a fast process too.
I'm a recent convert to the SSL ecosystem, as I spent a lot of hours on SSL consoles in the late 80s and early 90s. It's infinitely easier for me to dial in a mix using their stuff, but that's mostly from "muscle memory".
I strongly advise anyone with ANY experience in the analog console days to try out the SSL stuff.
I use this thing on bass guitar all the time, the secret is to use narrower bands and search out the most musical frequencies to have it gain up, usually the root note of the key the song is in if that’s possible.
I only have two subscriptions, and SSL is one of them. I went from indifference to love with these guys. They're putting a lot of effort into their plugins.
Stop supporting subscriptions smh
Seems like an advanced version of Waves RBass.
This seems like it does a very similar thing as my DBX 510 hardware unit. I basically only use it for kick drums though or sometimes orchestral bass drums for that extra impact.
right off the bat this almost looks like its great for simply monitoring those super low frequencies to find clashing or tightening some eq in those ranges.
damn. first thing I said when I heard it on the kick, was “nice, NICE”
2:48
The range from the lowest value (1) and the highest value (11) is 10.
If the lowest value on the knob was labelled 0, then the highest value on the knob would then be labelled 10. I'm just pointing out, the distance from 1-11 is still a distance of 10.
Joke missed… look up “this one goes to eleven”
the max is always the max, but you missed the reference
To Extend the note try create a feedback loop by sending the effect to itself. Preferably through a send channel so you can control the beast.
i think thats the opposite of what he wants, lol... he was saying he wanted it shorter im pretty sure.
@@MantasticHams He said longer. :)
A new plugin from a particular vendor doesn't have to be something new or make a revolution. Sometimes you just want that your favorite vendor releases a plugin with that functionality, just because you love this vendor, you are very loyal to it, and maybe you want to buy this vendor bundle only.
Perhaps it’s also better as well, specifically for SLL i can see added value because it works with SSL360
What makes you want to be “loyal” to a company? Just curious
@@G.GordonMidi Not just me, but... it's quite obvious - a bunch of great releases? :)
@@G.GordonMidi Probably GUI & licensing model.
@@G.GordonMidicustomer & product support. I stick with RME, for instance, because they keep their promises. If something goes wrong, they make it right. Not so much “loyalty” as it is trusting your hard earned dollars only to those who demonstrate that they’re worth trusting.
The bass guitar sounds like it has octaver effect on it. I would choose iZotope Low End Focus or Acustica Audio Fire The Bass over this.
Whoah, switching up reference tracks!
I think I liked Sandstorm better, but give me some time, and I'll try my best to adapt.
I was actually looking for a plug-in like this only last week. This might be the one
I'm hearing frequencies I've never heard before, using my Genelec 8040B monitors.
Usually, I can only hear down to 36hz on these, but I think I heard lower frequencies for a moment, in this video. :P
I have been using Leapwing Root One to satisfaction - I agree even with discount, Leapwing is mostly +50 bucks. I predict Leapwing is working more surgical....might require a side-by-side test.
"one more than ten" I understood that reference.
I’d have named this SSL SubDevelopment.
Great demo.
I have this and am trying it now. It’s useful to get some lower frequncies into the mix.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t it introduce low-end issues in a poorly acoustically treated room?
Spot on about timing/envelope control. It's not typical for subharmonic generators to do that, but it would be a great way to keep the generated subs tight and not boomy or muddy.
The very basic plugins that knock has this function
@@Reggi_Sample plugins that knock ?
Interesting how this stands versus Leapwing RootOne?
Hey White Sea: Great video, as usual. With the "length control," I can't think of any other sub-harmonic synth that has that kind of control. The original Transient Designer had both "attack and sustain..."?
And surely it is only duplicating what it is hearing. 😎
Oh there asre definitely sub-harm generators with length controls, I think its needs to be a spectral processor in order to do that? To my ears it sounded like it was lengthening the windows, any window with bass content in it would have bass generated through the entirety of the window, and the plugin (something by melda i think?) ran with lag to allow those windows to line up properly while still allowing for the spectral processing. In other words, I don't think you can get this length control unless you are running with a lag, otherwise the bass would sound late, mushy, and flammy.
What was cool is I could even hear a big change on my phone. Like a meatier package
The 11 setting on drive, is probably just a reference, and or homage to 'This Is Spinal Tap'. That's not bad, it is just a bit of fun.
Why don't they just make 10 louder?
@@gnprice This goes to 11
Listen to the sustain..
I can't hear anything?
Yeah, but you would if it was playing!
And is almost a copy from Waves Vitamin Sonic Enhancer that last for years now. The only difference is, that the Vitamin Sonic Enhancer is not a plugin that you can set and forget. On the buss there is mostly a SSL compressor to glue those tracks.
whoa, new intro music thing. sounds cool. reminds me of sandstorm by darude
this is new and not really new...., it seems using the same bass/drive treble/drive coming from their Drumstrip that is a pure beast ! I'm happy to get it for free on the subscription plan but not sure to use it so many
Ah mate, another great plug review! 😃
I like the fact that it has a high-quality sub-bass generator and the sub-bass harmonic synthesizer thing with 4 configurable bands.
The 70s transistor-style drive and grit for adding bite to bass is gonna be good...
I guess I am gonna save up for this one.
Wait for it to be 19.99! It’s SSL, so it’s inevitable to happen soon!
What happened to the "Music is Love Forever" sign? Please tell us you still have it in your studio.
He's no stranger to love. You know the rules and so do I.
I just love ssl plugins
This just occurred to me but with the amount of new plugins you test, I really hope you have a brickwall limiter or equivalent somewhere in that chain
the SSL drum strip is probably a better solution for separated drum treatment. pretty the drum strip is the same tech as this with individual channels, one for kick and one for snare. it's amazing
I think this adds a couple extra tricks/flavors, but Drumstrip is a go to for sure
Omg, don’t take me wrong but finally this intro sound is gone, love the new one!
I also rather to know how things work…so…adding harmonics probably can be achieved by adding a tone at a certain frequency? Most probably with an equaliser, bell and very narrow q, later most probably adding “saturation” in form of any amplifier would do the job.
Or…how is it working then?
For info knobs are not "trade mark" by SSL they are from Sifam and on a lot of gear ! ;)
Sold me when your light fell out. Instabuy when it goes on sale.
nice plugin, really can feel it on my sub but they should add pitch tracking and bass it on that :)
I felt that in my room! Literally 🤩
those harmonics add what i call ‘flavour’ to the low end
Do i really need dynamic eq and multiband processing in 2023, or can i keep going with my old single band stuff ?
Me listening on phone, ahh yes sounds great 😂
All that extra bottom end, is it affecting the top end when listening on the speakers? It was very minimal on headphones, then again, with all the compression on TH-cam, hard to know for sure.
My Audeze MM-500 headphones. Holy crap with this demo. I am feeling something falling out of my head as your light came out. Thanks another great snake oil video
or just mix in a parallel BP filter around 60hz and distort it a bit
Actually it’s just simple as that
Could maybe lengthen it by using in parallel, one channel completely wet and the other without the effect and use a transient designer on the completely wet track???
Should have those controls really... maybe a update can include that?
Very nice in the drum bus. Bass guitar sounds like a low key octaver. And I love HIGH key octaver when I need that sound.
"The kick-drive sounds broken, like an over-electrified transistor click sometimes. I'm not sure what SSL had in mind with it.", Harry Olive - 2023
love the new intro
this plug-in sounds very useful but idk why you'd ever wanna put a sub on a snare like that. however i love it on bass. bass players use octave pedals all the time. not the same thing but lower octaves on bass sound awesome. of course you need to be careful with that but through an amp you're gonna get a roll off so it's no biggie.
Some genres want the snare down almost as low as the kick, lots of different EDM and other electronic stuff, for example. Others that would sound a bit absurd haha
sorry about your studio, i hope you get another one
this actually sounds very very good. I would love to see this compared to bx sub synth.
check out the SSL drum strip!
glad u added some sub to sandstorm!
New intro????? great!
The plugin is very interesting, works as a pultec for bass and its great for relevant low end. I'll Definitely buy this.
I saw ur IA site and... HANDS DOWN! Can't wait for the release to use it.
It adds subharmonics! Like RBass from Waves or MaxxBass
Rbass adds upperharmonics
You mean submarine by waves
Attack and sustain would be a nice added feature.
Is it comparable to RootOne by Leapwing Audio? Better/worse?
Not a fan after A/Bing with traditional parallel to hard compression + pultech or even WAVES loAir… The - octave just sounds unnatural - even at low dry/wet levels…
Lo inico que no me gusta esque mi bajo suena como con una octava mas grabe y la original, si hubiera posibilidad de quitarle esa octava grave estuviera genial
I feel like Oxford always comes out with quality signal processing, but their UI's never have as much control as I wish they did.
For some reason I found d16 sound good tier, SSL and Softube are pretty good. I'll trial the Oxford mastering limiter!
This plugin nearly broke my LFE. 10/10
That's sound like dbx 120a without adding lots of high harmonics
SSL is really in another step on plugin development, even better than uad. (imo)
Thanks for the great review
Did you remake your signation? Sounds better👍
ye lets drive this thing. how is it on dnb and house
muchas gracias... como siempre un análisis muy eficiente e interesante.
I'm skeptical (and frustrated), I have lots of saturation plugins, none of them really give me the kind of bass I hear in homemade music from the early 90s. The idea that adding saturation to the low end to make it heard does help... but it's not everything. I'm trying to get rich low end that sounds like low end, not obvious saturation that's adding tons of harmonic to the midrange.
4:33 - its called an Octaver pedal and was popular with bass players in the 80s.. I am hearing damage to the overall mix there
Marty McFly is here and wants his woofer back!
For kick drums i would sugest the ‘Boz Digital Labs - Bark of Dog’
Reminds me of Vitamin by Waves (one of the few Waves plugins I liked and used from time to time)
Mmm, wondering if it sounds better than Bx Sybsynth which has 3 bands, but failed each time I tried it on a pure bass or acoustic bass sound, adding bad frequencies... I have the feeling
this one has the same problems... and if you just want to beef up a kick drum, then well, a fixed frequency does the job, so something such as the basic 50hz Kicker from Reaper would be perfect :)
have u checked out the SSL drum strip...i prefer it over the BX!
what happend to sandstorm by darude?
for lengthening different frequencies of your drums you should try my free plugin manta
I had to stop the video and comment.. At the same point you lost a light I had some stuff fall off my wall. You Farted My Sub...... lol funnie shit... LMAO
I have serveral sub gens I like this one more because it just sounds great all of the time
adsr for each band would be cool
hope stereo imaging is ok with this SSL plugin. I recently bought SSL FlexVerb and all the reverb algorhithms there are "crooked sidewaves", they're either mono or one side sounds completely different from the other one, the worst thing being difference reverb lengths between L and R channel, so its unusable for me
that's why it was 90% off lol
Honestly, I haven't really heard any musical results from Flexverb, including SSL's own demo videos.
@@wootube If it's what I think it is (sonnox oxford reverb with a new skin) it's bad
R-Bass Replacer?
Something like this would be excellent as an Ozone module. Like Low End Focus on steroids
I’m a fan of the reverse Rick roll
Boom!
Isn’t this similar to rootOne from Leapwing
The audio of your intro..... can I have that with SubGen on it ?....
Well, YOU can 🙃
SSL Subgen isn't f---ng with Tone Projects' Basslane Pro.
"This thing is giving me a headache". lol
almost everything plugins you review it, need AutoGain!
thanks for the idea wss, im working on it to make AutoGain plugins with some screws, scratch, knob with shadow!
and..... yes its free
at least it was kind of a disclaimer... it was really strong on my sub.
Is this like basslane Pro?
Nop but Basslane is way more useful and difficult to reproduce with other plugins. Subgen you just isolate any band in a parallel track and add some distortion/harmonics
You changed the plugin sounds without also playing the music mix as well - Guess what - We like to makeup our minds as well
That was great
timing and phase swap in each band area
Why didn’t they make the drive go to 10 and just make 10 louder?
the dröms
subscribed because of your nails
they're awesome aren't they
Booty Shaking. Gonna check out the demo.
Doing this video without limiter or clipper on the master for safety reasons is a little risky :D