The Cult That Made Your Grandmother's Fine Silverware
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For many Americans in the 20th century, holiday meals meant getting out the special Oneida Silverware. Stainless steel, ornamental and moderately expensive, it wasn’t a fancy dinner unless there was a Silverplate Oneida spoon on the table. Despite its traditional look, the history of Oneida Silverware is anything but.
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Some may call it cultlery.
I'm sorry I'll find my way out.
Thorambar W... Please stay..
Pun tax
Bouncer: do your thing.
Thorambar HIYOOOOOO
YOU ARE CORRECT SIR
I will tip the bartender and the waitress.
i remember my mom telling me about this when i was little and i thought she was full of shit lol.
my bad, mom.
k a y l e e listen to your mom!!
Old People Know Stuff™
Did you apologize to her!?
I learned almost all of this in HS social studies class.
haha no but maybe i should. she used to tell me stories all the time when i was little so i just thought this was another one of her make-believes.
Spooning leads to forking.
😂 these are to good
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This pun reminds me of grade 6. When the british student in our class was being poked with a fork, he turns around and screams "LAUREN STOP FORKING ME" and with his accent... well he yelled FUCKING.
That is true
You got me snort-giggling!!
I walked into this thinking it would be sort-of wacky and mildly interesting, but a lot of that was legitimately horrifying and disgusting
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Quinton Reviews Just like your movie reviews
Quinton Reviews. I wouldn't have said "a lot", but certainly teenagers assigned to elders for sexual training certainly was, though primitive cultures have been found that did this. I have always found it horrifying, from my own teens to my 70s. As to their child rearing, while loving devoted parents are to be vastly preferred, not all traditional families provide that, or even basic compassion.
At the time Traditional Families aspired to hire (or a generation or two earlier, own) Nannies that took the children out of their parent's view about 23 and a half hours a day.
Silverware? Of course it came from a community of horrible.... _horrible_ child abuse and communism!
Yeah... I think I'll spare my grandma from this little... tidbit of knowledge.
Lmao I'm finna tell grandma to-morrow
Come to find out that your "great grandma" made the spoons!
Oh grandmothers know, They've known all along,
You're kidding! Grandparents never had sex, that was taboo back then! ;-)
Micah Philson
You and me both...
You're right! I have my grandparents' cutlery collection, that is mostly intact, and it is Oneida. I had never thought about it any further than just making sure that I polished it before I used it every year for family get-togethers. I had never heard of this group, but less anything else. Just amazing and wierd.
Your contribution to dinner conversation is set then, right? :-)
FYI: it's pronounced 'Oh-Nye-Duh' from the Iriquois tribe of the same name.
I live right down the road from the mansion house as we call it and it was a little scarier than this. There were tunnels under the grounds linking many house together and many rumors of smuggling as well. The Mansion house today is community owned and the Noyes family (of whom I went to school with) have all but moved. The area has really been revamped and its golf course is now a public private venture and hosts many prostigious events.
I agree with your Oneida pronunciation, your "prostigious" pronunciation, not so much.
I live in Oneida, too. We barely covered this in school.
The Noyes name is also commonly pronounced Noice (rhymes with choice), as opposed to Noise, by many of the descendants of the original 7 brothers that came to America.
This was why I came to the comments section as well -- it's "O" "Nigh" "Duh" with an "I" sound and the accent on the "Nigh".
Strange that Simon pronounced it correctly at first and then later mispronounced it.
I own and use Oneida silverware daily, and was fortunate enough to buy while the company was still owned by the original cult crazies. Truly a piece of history.
Would you say these are a "cult classic"!?!
@@TheMechanicalGirl999 yes
Me too
Do you cut a steak and think, "you know what I want her steak as well". The Lord wouldn't want us to quarrel over steak.
Were you aware of the company's occultic history
The one instance where kids went to college, and became *more* square than the religious parents.
I have never met anyone who called someone else "a square" being worthy of even an ounce of respect... Honestly seems like a complement given they typical source...
What about iceberg slim?
What about Francisco Franco?
@@davidtucker9498 You Ma'am, are a square.
Simon, I am a 38 year old man and have inherited 2 sets of 'fine' silverware, one of them is Oneida. I still don't know what spoon is what or how to use any of it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is.......want to buy some super culty silverware?
Gary Daniel
I think he meant that he can't see the difference between a soup spoon and a desert spoon.
I think he might have the 20+ set.
Gary Daniel I suppose I should have been more clear, as I can see now why there is such confusion! I meant to imply that I wasn't clear on which spoon is a soup spoon or dessert spoon, fork for salad or entree Etc
start at the outside and work your way in...
king james488 was that a kingsmen reference?
Mike Hartley I think the polyamorous group that created the brand would celebrate you not tying one spoon to one task but using it to do its holiest task, to transport food to your mouth, in whatever shape or form it desires.
If my name was Noyes, I'd be forever correcting people that it's pronounced, "No, Yes" just to be a-Noye-ying.
Dead Frt West 😄😄😄
That’s amazing. 😂
"Am I pronouncing your name right?"
"No. Yes."
I had a boss named Noyes, and on every job application after that, I spelled it "Noyse" just so they wouldn't mispronounce it.
that was hilarious
My dad's aunt married at 14. She and her boyfriend ran off and married in a state where it was still legal at 16. They lied to the judge about her age. They're still married today.
My maternal grandma got married at 16 to my grandpa, who I believe was 18. They stayed together until they passed away in their 90's.
All of my aunts and uncles married before they were 18, and my mother married at 16. Two of my aunts married at 13 and 14. Really nudging the national average down! (They also remained married 50+ years until death.)
And here I am, 40, no kids, most of my friends aren't married. Different times!
"Spiritual Spouses" is a good name for a band. Debut Album: "Bride of All Saints".
Many saints of Newark
Brides of Christ.
Your comment is great thanks
My Nana's silverware was made in England. She thought the Oneida silver was trashy...and now I know why!
Sarah Gray all the best steel comes from England
A lot of the weird descriptions start off normal and reasonable but then end with something creepy and disgusting.
"Love all the children like your own" okay
"If you don't follow this rule you'll not be allowed to see your children, who live together separate from you, their parents" NOOOOOO
"Sex is a spiritual experience, healthy, and women should be satisfied. Women also shouldn't always be pregnant it's dangerous." Okay.
"Men can't orgasm, teens get taught to have sex by grandmas and grandpas of the community, and you have to ask to have children." NOO NO NO NO
"You should care about your group. Communities that care about each other thrive." okay
"Oh yeah this is because emotional attachments are bad" Wrong!
"People can be in love with, and have multiple partners at a time, we are all consenting adults here." Okay.
"Did I tell you this is because a woman wouldn't leave her husband for me? Also this pain i feel is likely why I don't want emotional attachments?" Nope!
Anais S. All the parts you said were good were the worst things about this particular sect tho.
And emotional attachments are bad.
R H umm okay.
It’s interesting to me how people who believe polyamory is the way to go always seem to talk about how exclusiveness is horrible because it promotes jealousy. That you learn to be a better person through the self-denial of not insisting your partner be just your partner. It’s always interesting to me.
And of course breaking up family groups so the identity is mainly that of a cult member instead of father or mother or brother or sister is just soooo classic. Ugh. Barf.
lmao Anais 10/10 comment, dont listen to the weirdos
it was a time where kids having feelings and pain was debatable. sad but true. many "trials" were done on children to determine this :(
I knew about this history of Oneida "cult." I must give credit to my teachers at Minneapolis Central High School in the early 70's for giving me that knowledge. I often wondered what kind of Juju was happening in upper state New York that allowed these "communities" to blossom. Oneida was one of many cults. Others were Amana (soon to be appliance makers) and Shakers (furniture). Probably more I don't remember them all.
Coitus reservatus, they should have named this cult: "The Blue Balls Club".
Oh lord. My silver and my mother's silver was Oneida.
Time to burn it i guess
What happened to it all?
Shawn Newell sinner you shall receive 30 lashes.
My mother's silverware went to my sister when she married and my silverware got disappeared by my cousin when I got sick and had to move to a group home.
Shawn Newell I was in shock when I realised the prised silverware that's been passed down to my sister is Oneida. Lol, won't she be surprised.
This is wild. I'm distantly related to Noyes. My grandmother has an apartment in the Mansion House where she lives in the fall and winter. I've gone to visit for Thanksgiving several times. I've heard the stories and taken the tour and everything but it's crazy to stumble on a video about it and see it all laid out lol. These days the mansion functions as apartments on the upper floors, with a museum in other wings, and on the lower floors there's rooms for rent like in a hotel. There's a big common room in the main entrance, with a dining hall off to the side that functions as a restaurant/catering company now. Near the museum there are rooms converted to offices to manage the estate. Whole place feels a little spooky at night. If I need to get something out of the car or go downstairs after dark I feel like I'm in The Shining lol
I bought a set of Oneida in the 70's and my mother had one, so did most families as they made everyday utensils too. This wasn't fancy silverware for holiday use but stainless steel. In fact, I'm still using it now! I was well aware of the group and the story behind as I had read it somewhere, found it more amusing than anything. That's what I get or growing up in the hedonistic hippiness of the 70's.
Ruth Beaty If it weren't for the crazy child abuse part, it wouldn't sound so horrific. If consenting adults want to be polyamorous, fine and dandy, but depriving children of their parents' love and sexually abusing them is... well I don't have a word for that.
I live in that area of upstate NY. There's a Noyes street in utica....
Oh and its pronounced
"oh-nye-duh" not
"onee-dah"
Drink Your Nail Polish at least he didn't completely butcher it and say One-I-da, always a pet peeve of mine
I'm from Wisconsin near where the Oneida tribe from NY ended up and pronounce Oneida to rhyme with my pronunciation of Al-Qaeda.
Actually they're still in Oneida timewave02012.
All Six Nations still reside on their Ancestral Lands, right here in New York. The Onondaga just south of Syracuse, the Oneida situated around the city of Oneida, the Mohawk up along the St. Lawerence, the Cayuga on the north end of Cayuga Lake, east of Seneca Falls, the Seneca south of Buffalo & the adopted Tuscarora up by Niagara Falls.
The Mohawk also have land in Quebec & the Oneida in the northern Midwest... as you mentioned.
Caalamus the above commenter is partially correct a band did go to Wisconsin, but as far as I know the two groups don't associate with one another
Ever been to Albany to try steamed hams?
You know what's also true? There's no Simon Whistler bloopers special!
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I didnt know i needed a simon whistler gag reel until i read your comment but now i do
There's no Simon Whistler blooper video because Simon Whistler does not make mistakes. ;-) -Daven
Simon Whistler is the new Chuck Norris.
Someone once thought Simon Whistler had made a mistake, but by the time that person started to correct him the world had adjusted to Simon's truth. That's why they call it Simon says.
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Scientology beta version.
Might be the missing link in the evolutionary chain xD the one between scientology and mormons
Or proto Children of God cult?
Mormons if their founder was actually genuine in his beliefs but also 10x more perved.
Some f the practices seem like Pre Thelema ideologies, but with Gd instead of without.
Roflmao very true
At least they know how to make a mean spoon
Justin Y. You're everywhere man.
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Ha! I have a perfect set of silver Community silverware in original boxes not realising it was Oneida or that it was anything to do with a commune. Thanks. How cool!
What a strange mix of progressive and repulsive practices.
You mean a strange mix of repulsive and repulsive practices? Or perhaps progressive and progressive practices? : p
Darken De la Espada No I mean what I said. Progressive like not expecting women to endlessly bear children and never enjoy sex and repulsive like making kids have sex with old people.
I wouldn't call those things progressive and therefore logically repulsive since the traditional family unit did not expect these things. (Post colonial culture was far different than their traditional European feudal roots.) I'm not even sure your description fits the very strict American post colonial culture either, so... ya.
I think you misunderstand me. Some practices were progressive other were repulsive. I don't know what you are taking exception to in my description of which is which but you aren't making any sense.
V. Hansen I was going to comment the same. Mix of progressive and repulsive
WOW! The stuff I'm learning! Thanks to Simon for hosting/narrating, and thanks to the stellar research team supporting these videos!
My family has always used Sheffield.
Ashley Hyatt if in the UK, the Sheffield steel was (and still is) the best. Harder to come by though.
Yass kween
Ashley Hyatt Well now the Nanny is another whole lotta love.....
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Not THOSE people ?!
Its pronounced Own-eye-duh (im a former local to that part of NY)
Do they make cwafee cups or whoota glasses?
nekad2000 it's not an accent thing. It's an old native American name. Like 50% of Western NY is old native American names
@@nekad2000 That's not really an Upstate NY thing. More like ah vowels, fast talking, bland accents, and a mish mash of German, Italian, Irish, English and Native American slang and names of things. Source: live there.
The pronunciation of the spelling is German-style. 'ei' pronounced "eye".
nekad2000 it's the same pronunciation over in WI where there was also an Oneida tribe
... I think it was part of NY tribe
I love your videos! Its feels great knowing that I am not the only one who loves to talk about history..especially the weird history. Thank you very much for all the videos!
Suddenly my own religious childhood of brimstone and damnation if I didn’t punch enough rapture tickets before the second coming doesn’t seem nearly so bad...at least I didn’t have to literally sneak hugs at night with my parents.
Broken Eyes
Broken Eyes *victim mentality*
Will you be ok without your "terrible" morals and wisdom along with that perfect eternal life you were taught of?
*Dont teach me morals*
*Ppl made mistakes teaching me and misrepresented the purpose*
*Wahhhh I'm a victim, religion is bad.* *Booohoooooo*
I don't want a god that created humanity with 99% redundancy. Chase me or go to hell. That's nice.
hardcorebarbell Projecting insecurities
Dude, he was talking about his life personal experience. Not about religion in general.
@@hardcorebarbell salvation isn't earned, anyone preaching differently is spiritual abuse, so yes he is a victim of spiritual abuse, I encourage you to connect with jesus if you want to spew hate
As a professional chef my spoon collection is massive and consists of many Oneida examples. Not looking at my tools of the trade the same ever again.
It's like General Ripper from Dr. Strangelove! "I deny them my essence"
They will not take our precious bodily fluids!
I was on a trip from Michigan to New York back in High School and we went to see the Oneida. My parents were a little confused when we arrived at this tiny local museum but the place was amazing and the story behind everything was so amazing.
Thank you so much for this video! I have told my friends & family about this & no one believed me. Now I have proof. This was an excellent non-judgemental look at a very unusual group of people both during their time & ours. Again, thank you!
I found an Oneida fork in a thrift store a few months back. I immediately geeked out and spent 10 minutes explaining it to my friend.
Oneida is only 3 hours east of me. It is nothing to write home about now. Sleepy little Oneida. Who knew is had such a saucey history?
@William Loudermilk You should never presume to assume you know anything about the life of someone else. I have lived in this area only 3 years. We are steeped in the history of the area we grow up in as we grow up and become educated there. I know about the history of the state and neighboring states where I grew up. Also you have no idea of a person's mobility. Do try not to be so presumptuous and insolent.
Historians
@William Loudermilk wow, you're a judgemental dick, and wrong, to boot.
Hey Loudmouth!
Go take your meds, find your favorite park bench and sleep it off!
WOW - not just sold to grandmas... I just bought a higher level set of 96-piece Oneida a few months back and I am only 47.
The history is surprising... I have known Oneida for several years, and yes - my family up through the generations has purchased it as well. If only they knew...
Thanks Simon!
You really do come up with some good subjects. Keep up the good work!
All I got from this was the technical term for the "pull out" method.
Coitus interruptus. I love it.
This was funny when he achieved "perfection", but it quickly went from funny to epic tragedy mired in moral decay.
Excellent video and context as usual!!
Amazing story! Thank you
HA! I am soooo bringing this up this coming Christmas!
I still remember reading about the Oneida cult in history class and the freaking out when I discovered my silverware was made by the company of the same name
A couple of things:
You didn't state why Noyes fled to Canada. He was tipped off that he was going to be arrested for statutory rape and fled the country. He still maintained a connection with the community, and even continued to serve as a bit of a patriarch figure.
Oneida closed their sprawling plant in New York in 2003 and outsourced most of the manufacturing to Korea at that time, citing an inability to make profit manufacturing in the U.S. A company was formed by some former Oneida executives and, with the help of a grant from the state, bought the old factory. The did some contract manufacturing on demand for Oneida to supplement offshore production, but also diversified into tool manufacturing, warehousing, and fulfillment services for other companies. They're still around and now sell their own line of flatware called Liberty Tabletop.
BTW, one of my great grandmothers was among the last generation of the Oneida community. As a kid, we made trips to the Mansion House to see her and have dinner every couple of years. And we had an unholy fixation on Oneida flatware.
Did any of the commune values trickle down through the generations of your family?
My late father and uncle worked for Oneida. Great company. Dad knew he was doing well when he was told that he was OCQ-Oneida Community Quality.
Mormons popped up around the same time and same area this group did. It must have been the times...
Rich M Yup. Millerites or now Jehovahs witness these days as well.
Yup - Joseph Smith was from Central NY before setting out for the Western wilderness
Yeah, it was during the 2nd Great Awakening when all these sects came up.
Rich M Mormon here (LDS). Agreed--it must have been the times. Honestly I found this video very fascinating to compare and contrast with my religion's history. There's weird similarities among some really vast differences.
And the birth place of spirituality
The amount of craziness that various religious groups have displayed over the years is staggering.
Of course it's the craziness of the group that anyone is in (community, nation, culture, religion, etc.), at any given period of history, that gets normalized all around us and is very hard to see until future generations are looking back.
And it always comes down to sex.
Tmanaz480 - Yep! I remember during the 80's, almost every tele-evangelist managed to get caught up in some sort of sex scandal. And no matter what they did, the checks kept rolling in like clockwork. Unbelievably, they kept their flocks and prospered.
It makes me think of some of the current politicians who continually lie and have no morals yet manage to keep their party's support! Seems that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Sam....I was thinking the same thing before I read your comment. Yep, Jim & Tammy Faye Baker , starring in the "PTL" show. The name "PTL" was supposed to stand for " Praise the Lord", but what it really stood for was ..."Pass the Loot"...!! And that Tammy Faye...Wow...she probably used half of the donations for her make-up...LOL...the more she used, the uglier she became...Uugghh..!! But some years later, she almost...almost...met her match with Jan Crouch, wife of Paul Crouch of TBN, Trinity Broadcasting Network. Those 2 women would have made perfect witches in a Walt Disney movie..!!
Paul Simmons ah, well you see God told them to snort coke off a stripper's ass cheeks!
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing 🤗
Wow! Outstanding research.
Now, I've admired my mom's smart choice in stainless steel special occasion cutlery for years just because they don't need to be polished and made a fuss over. Now I'm doubly glad! I also don't recal my grandma having silverware, except perhaps a few serving spoons. So, smart ladies not investing indirectly into a creepy cult who's rules both intrigue and horrify. 😆
Why is it that whenever there’s a cult that pops up, there’s weird sex things involved?
Great video. Very interesting story!
Very interesting I love learning new information about history thank you
My mother definitely loved her Oneida when I was a kid. She'd have been shocked by this lol
It's interesting how we're told the baby boomer view of family has always been the "one and only way of life" when alternative ways of life have always existed both as exclaves within our own society and outside of it. Of course just because they're breaking away from mainstream society that doesn't mean they are getting it all right , but we could all use some more humility, there's too much focus on the left-right debate and too little time for both greater context and a look at maladioes shared by our society as a whole.
The baby boomer view has never been the one and only way and I don't think the "tumblresque" view of "tthere is always a clearly defined obviously right behavior with no ambiguity" will be the end-all, be-all either.
We're all still trying to build a goiod society and there's no guarantee that we won't get it wrong as well, at least witth some ways.
The closest thing to an objective measuring stick is probably "Is there evidence of harm?" rather than following ideologies - if a teen comes out of a session with a grandma traumatized and negatively affected, it's probably not a good idea.
To be fair any teen that does not come from a conversation with their grandparents somewhat horrified is probably mentally less than healthy considering its supposed to be a very naïve individual talking to somebody that has seen the worst horrors of life that is trying to warn the child away from experiencing them by making the way to experiencing them sound even more horrible than they actually are. Of course a lot of the time the grandparents don't get the reason why those horrible things happened right so it oft isn't succesfull
Awesome video as always!
So freaking awesome, great video man
I'm starting to understand why heretics have historically been so, er, "Frowned upon"
Its also because they used to tend to revolt trying to start their own nation with the support of their local nobility hungry for power and would from time to time forcefully convert villages that they occupy. This was all in earlier times however where local powers had the weight to actually cause some real damage as compared to the increase in firepower and manpower of authorities in later time periods.
I had an ancestor who married when she was 12 and her husband was 20.
My home town. The pronunciation of Oneida pained me. The old silverware factory in the city of Oneida was purchased by a local group of smiths/engineers. Their silverware is now being used in the Whitehouse.
the reason i like your videos is you read your words for me i cannot read fast good or see any passion in the words been dyslexic i usually press the back arrow if the video has words thanks for your videos Simon :) subed
I know its nit picky but I always thought the pronunciation was O-ni-da with the i pronounced like the i in tide
Markam67 you are correct
I thought it was O- nee-i-dah.
The Community was rather similar to the extreme forms of Hussite and Anabaptist religion in Bohemia and Belgium respectively.
MakeMeThinkAgain I doubt they were polyamorous. I know the Hussites are communal, but which Anabaptists were? My paternal line comes out of that tradition so I read a lot and always interested in more.
We bought new silverware yesterday...watching this today! Great episode!
I’m so happy you did a video on this!! I believe I heard about it on Stuff You Missed in History Class or another podcast. It’s such an odd thing! It’s like, the Kellogg’s situation on the level of weirdness you would never expect! Silverware doesn’t make you think of polyamory! Who would think cornflakes had origins linked up with masturbation!? It’s nuts!
Holy shit, over 13 minutes of actual content and no embedded ad for shit nobody wants. It is possible.
I'm moving to chopsticks
Gabriel Cunha oneida probably sells Korean style sticks lol.
I love those old stereoscopic photos.
I can free-focus so I got to see them as they were intended.
Wow..... Very eye opening..... It's crazy how much craziness people allowed others to force them to go along with, when they knew it wasn't truly what they wanted.
I mean, that seems to be how communities and societies work in general, right? There'll always be some people being part of a group out of necessity and/or convenience that won't agree with all of the rules but will tolerate them. In cults these things seem more obvious because their views tend to be a lot different (therefore, crazy) from ours, but there are many people out here agreeing to stuff they don't want just because it's easier.
The lowest average marital age was in 1950. That COULD NOT have been a baby boomer if the age was 20.5, which puts the child into the Great Depression. That was the PARENTS of baby boomers!
If you take the earliest baby boomer possible, in 1946 (which everyone ought to know was when soldiers came home and started families). The boom lasted to 1964, hence, they were the sons and daughters of the people you cited as getting married the youngest. And that really showed up in the schools where a mother who wasn't a new bride could be a generation older than the mothers of all the other kids in class, as happened to my mother. :) They were in their 20s and she was the only one in her 40s! Poor Mom! :D I'll bet she felt like a dinosaur! :D
Of course today a lot of people never do formalize their relationships so the breakups never appear on any records as a divorce. It would make more sense to compare people who say they are in a committed relationship, without legal papers, and ask about breakups, and indeed there are statistics on things like that. However, if one were being picky, one would ask what the median age was for a man and median age for a woman and based on what data because one can get different answers doing that from what you cited. All I've found mention 20 point something as the bottom for women, not men though, and all of them have that for Depression era babies. (One might point out that their parents were treated with outright cruelty in the Depression if they had a baby out of wedlock, including the woman being fired from a job that kept her from destitution, and they probably drilled that into their kids to get married early rather than let the world cave in on them. But there was also the fact that when Johnny came marching home he wanted to get married and start a family ASAP. They saw absolutely no reason to wait. The war had made everyone feel older than their chronological age. In consequence, though, divorce rates soared as those couples discovered they didn't know each other very well and many a vet had residual problems from the war that nobody was addressing because they just wanted to put it behind them and move on.
True. I was born in '56 to teenage parents, and my best friend in elementary school was a menopause baby. We turned to my folks when we needed parental participation in some activity, but we went to hers when we wanted to avoid close scrutiny. They were too tired or preoccupied to concern themselves with us. Good times!
Also, in Victorian England, sometimes people just got together and didn't get married, and this could happen while still in their teens. See the contemporaneously written "London Labour and the London Poor" by Mayhew, where he talks about this.
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This is amazing I didn't know any of this despite working in Onida NY while in College. I also have the aforementioned cutlary now made in China. I shared this with my wife who insist we get Onida silverware.
~Looking side-eyed at Grandma's table setting. Flips it over. Reads "Oneida"~ 😱😱
Whence did the "tradition" of bachelor parties originate?
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@@RobespierreThePoof if you are engaged, you are not a bachelor.
No not my precious spoons!
I did enjoy it... Thank you Simon.
They were actually part of a class and had to read about them, and one thing about the metal traps they made, is that one one of the members had devised something new, with the traps, that they had a patent on, and this helped them with much needed funding until they went into silverware
A woman getting married in 1950 isn't a baby boomer.
Hey, I might be a raving homeless man someday.
Remember when raving homeless men wore sandwich boards proclaming "The end is near"?
The factory is still open under the name liberty tabletop that is the only USA made silverware left. They are expensive but I have a set myself and I love them.
True history is often disturbing, but Iam glad that you have the balls to present it.
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I just ate my lunch watching this.... Using a fork by Oneida🤔😳🤨
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Great! Thanks Simon, now every damn family dinner where we break out the “good silverware” I’m going to think about this. 🤦♀️ lol, thank you for the video, very well made and annoyingly informative. 😁
Is this were the term: "born with a silver spoon in your mouth" comes from? I'll show myself out.
Devin Heaps I believe you’ll inevitably fall off the earth from all the downvotes🤔🤨😎💃🏿💃🏿💃🏿
The saying predates the community. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_spoon
I served an apprenticeship with them, and if they put up with a very juvenile me they would put up with anything. They were good employers compared with others in the area, and although their health and safety record was poor, it was because of workers cutting corners to make more money on a piece rate and not their excellent efforts to prevent accidents. During that period I can compare their H&S very favourably with what is now mandatory. I am soon to be in receipt of a pension I never knew I had and to the best of my knowledge never contributed to.
So, I don't care what people did voluntarily among themselves in communes, although I am grateful that I got a trade and the exams they paid for me to get during that apprenticeship which have contributed to my well being and constant employment during my life.
Fascinating Simon!
I already knew the story. I think I read about it years ago. A few years ago I gave my daughter and son in law a set of Oneida flatware for an anniversary present and told them about the community which was really, basically a commune. We always pronounced it
O Nie (long i) da.
I don't always use fancy silverware, but when I do, I'm eating chicken!
My sister worked at an Oneida outlet store once, many moons ago. It was pretty well known even before the Internet. I told her how creepy that company was, but I guess it paid the bills.
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uruiamnot they gave up the cult generations ago
Simon, you look like you have a tan and it looks good. The Oneida community was actually an attempt at a Utopian society that was tried out many times in those days. (It wasn't communist) Nathaniel Hawthone wrote of his experiences at one such community. Good work, you covered it all.
Definitely covering this on my show soon this story is nuts
My best friends grandma actually told me about this place, her late husband had a collection of traps and when they lived in up state NY he got his hands on some of the old Oneida traps
My grandparents lived through the Great Depression, so they werent exactly ones to bother with this fancy nonsense. Hell, growing up, they had a difficult time keeping a small house heated, and boiled their water.
Maybe grandmas did know, and they were a little more freaky than any of us suspected... ;)
LOL Grandmas often are :) It's also possible that the details of exactly what that commune was doing weren't commonly known at the time.
Well, this should make the conversation at Thanksgiving much more interesting!
I'd heard about the Onieda group in history class but I never made the connection with the silverware! A similar circumstance occurred with the Amana colonies in Iowa (I lived a few miles from the old religious community for 6 years), they created the Amana company for washer, dryers, and other home appliances. The group is now unincorporated and basically disbanded but the 7 villages, near Iowa City, Iowa, and the company still exist.