I love my kinvara pro. Wish they had rubber on the outsole. As a heavier runner, it's comfortable and lets me pick up the speed or go 10+ miles. I'm 6'3 260-270 and have taken it 8 to 11 min paces. I also have plantar issues and it gives me the boost and cushion. I use it as a daily trainer. I also have the shift and the speed and the super comp v4. Its my favorite shoe I've ever touched.
It definitely softens up after 30-50 miles. I love it as a long run shoe. I'm hoping if they come out with a second version that they cut 2mm of Powerun off the midsole and add a thin layer of rubber in high-wear areas. I prefer the Kinvara Pro over the Saucony Endorphin Speed series for long runs because the Kinvara Pro has the bounce from the Powerun PB, but it doesn't bottom out on a long run. Feet feel better after the run. For reference I weigh 150 pounds. I also have the Adidas Boston 12, but I definitely prefer the Saucony Kinvara Pro.
Besides what many people say about the Kinvara Pro, this is one great shoe. The midsole is firm, but for some reason, feels very comfortable underfoot. This shoe is enjoyable for my long runs with no issues whatsoever (IMHO).
Incredible real time review. I bought the Endorphin pro 3 but sent it back because it was incredibly narrow and I don’t have a wide foot at all. I was going to to order the kinvaro but you saved me from misery! Thank you 😎
How many miles did you suffer through? For me they improved around 30 to 50 and then became an all time fave past 100. But I don't always like suffering through miles to get to the good part
@@supwell 'Suffer' is the right word. Someone recommended walking around in them, to soften them up, but even that was extremely uncomfortable in the beginning. I'm not a high mileage runner, and am in the fortunate position that I have more than enough shoes to not be forced to use it, so I'm now at the point where they 'don't completely suck'. Probably around 40-50km, which would fall in the range you gave. Hearing you talk about the Kinvara Pro, and that look on your face, just felt so relatable, even the part where they felt better going faster. Doing hill sprints in the Boston 12 gave me a glimpse of why people like it so much, so I hope to love it some day.
I ordered the day before, so I emailed Saucony and they refunded me the difference! You may be able to do the same. I forgot to buy through your link tho... Next time!
Took on my second run today (first long run) and the shoe is great. I like the extra stability for long runs and it felt good at every pace. A nice cruiser. Same weight as my Brooks ghost max which give no energy back and feel super clunky.
@@JonathanSanders458agreed man I got some more miles in these and they're great for cruising. Ghost max is my favorite shoe for walking though - really comfortable
I’ve had a pair for a long time, and they are this strange shoe that I almost forget about for long stretches. Then I put them on for a run, and I end up loving the experience. The strange part is that I can’t really identify why. They just sort of work perfectly for me (big dude, pretty slow, like to go far).
Agree with others that they soften up around 50 miles. First few runs in it are crazy firm. Almost 300 miles on mine. I would definitely rank these behind New Balance SC Trainer (1 and 2). Great video as usual!
I was thinking exactly the same thing about your weight and pace conversation when it comes to shoes. I’m a tall 210 lb runner and this shoe feels like it has the perfect cushion for me at mid pace 8:00 min miles but the ability to go faster. With the extra weight other “max cushioned” shoes feel like they bottom out and crush underneath me where this feels like it bounces back. But I definitely agree that if your not heavier or running at a faster pace this shoe is gonna feel firmer than you’d expect but if your heavier and looking for an in between race pace and super crusher this hits the sweet spot for me for marathon pace or slighter slower runs where I want the response but don’t want to use my race day shoe. Definitely a very niche shoe but I’m glad they made it cause for me it hits that spot perfect.
I just picked up some Kinvara Pros a month and a half ago and they’ve been my daily’s. I initially hated the stiffness but after 50 miles in they soften up a bit: they’ve been growing on me. I did buy the wide and they’re fairly comfortable. I was a little worried about the outsole durability but they seem to be holding up pretty well after a 100 miles in. Though I will say that I’m not too keen on getting another pair.
Hi Sr. thank you for your amazing shoes review, tips, and thoughts around running, I was so hard trying to get the Boston 12, and when finally I was able to wear it, everything was wonderful, except the upper, the edge around the ankle was bothering a lot. And about Kinvara Pro, I had that same feeling but when I run in Endorphin Pro 3, for me is very stiff, not getting popup like with Nike Vapor Fly version 1 😅 Thanks and regards.
Like others have said, it does soften up a lot, and I always feel like it wants me to up my cadence, even for slower paces - rolling over the shoe more than compressing it and bouncing back up
My first run was a half marathon. I loved them. I weigh 90kg. Half Mara time 1:45. Second run they felt softer - didn’t love them so much. I don’t think this shoe is for smaller runners. I squish a pair of speed 4s.
Great couple videos this week..almost my running shoe history..I started in the Saucony shadow and jazz shoe in the 70s and 80s..eventually moved up to the hokas and then into the nike epic reacts..that was the best for me for several seasons,but only in the white colorway..the other colors not as good..I often used the kinvaras until the rebels came out and mostly now in the hokas,tyr and diadora shoes..during this journey I often go back into the Saucony s and they really haven't changed much in the last 50yrs..really enjoyed this journey down memory lane..😂😂..it's ok if you can take the Charlotte weather back down there..😅
Love the Hurricane 24's ❤. Currently have the Hurricane 24's, Guide 17, Kinvara Pro & had endorphin Shift 2's. I think the Kinvara Pros feel closest to the Endorphin Shifts. I thought it was going to be the Guides or Hurricane but found it to the Kinvara Pro in testing
In the spirit of running with what we have and getting my money's worth, I'm trying to find a way to make the Superblast work for me. I did OK today on a slow run. Its good qualities are that it is very comfortable on foot, it's protective, and it doesn't flatten out on a long run. That Mizuno Neo Vista is calling me though. Also, I really like the openness of your neighborhood. I'm about 10 miles east of Los Angeles and my neighborhood is nice but considerably more packed in than yours. On the other side of L.A., it's really crowded (and a little dirty) because you're getting closer to the beaches.
Could you try a weighted vest for a mile or two and see if you can tell the difference in firmer shoes? I would need a big helium balloon to get down to your weight. At the end, you mention the old pwrrun Rides, I picked up a cheap pair and have been really liking them. Like these KinPro's, I think the ZoomFly5's might be another shoe that get poor reviews from the light, fit sub 3h marathoners, but could do well for the "average" 4h runners.
Hahah I like that weighted vest idea - a bit scared what it would do to my knees but it sounds fun. I did notice though on both runs when I went faster (more force) it felt a lot better
Idk if PWRRUN is the same across models but the OG kinvara was not it for me fam. That foam just feels boxy and brick like. Also I think the official replacement of the shift is looking more like the new hurricane but could be mistaken.
You still haven't tried any version of Magic Speed, right? I don't want to sound like the guy who wanted to see this test. I'm not requesting it, but I'll point out you have covered every shoe in that category (that I'm aware of) except MS3.
People frequently say Sauconys tend to run narrow but I just bought my first pair from them, Hurricane 24s, and they are quite capacious in the forefoot for me. I measure spot on 12D and buy everything in that size (except Nikes, which I avoid because they tend to be too narrow in the toes at my size and too long if I size up). Is the Hurricane slightly different from other Sauconys or is there something weird about my feet?
I have the Shift original and they were stiff as he'll with no plate and you have a descent amount of the pwrrun with a plate so the pwwrun+ and pb are probably not enough to compensate and I am around 210lbs so of course you're 160 gotta mash em
Ouuu that's a tough one. Lots of overlap but Triumph has a little more bounce while the novablast 4 has more stability and protective cushion. Novablast 4 probably takes it for longer miles and triumph for faster running. So I'd choose based on which of those you're looking for
man I love my green Kinvaras Pro! well is a love and hate relationship, I can tell you I have the guide 16 and they are very rigit, I am now between the Triump 22 and the next Hurricane! That will be a hard decision I think!
What other shoe do I need in my rotation. I currently run about 50km a week and have the superblast, novablast 4 and boston 12. Going to get one more shoe but don't want a racing shoe as do track races instead or road and have spikes.
That's a solid rotation! You def don't need anything else - but if you're set on adding one, the only type of training shoe I would add is a lower stack lightweight shoe like the Rebel v4. That would give you a different feel than the three you have
@@supwell I think you might be too light for it the PWRRUN foam. Our Rep said last year it was really designed for "big guys". I'm not big, but I have relatively long contact time since I'm not nearly as fit as you. But then: you are simply right, there a better shoes for less money.
I love the Kinvara series - the 11th to me was the best, but then after the 13th for some unknown reason, Saucony decided to "reinvent it" with the 14, which is not bad but isn't quite the "kinvara" type, so then the Kinvara "Pro" came out, I asked Why? What is the purpose of making a good thing a "mediocre experiment" meant to fail...? heavy, clunky, purposeless.... you name it... sorry Saucony but the Kinvara "Pro" is a "No-Broh" to me ...
Wow, Yowana finally acknowledging the work that slugs do! Not only is his channel growing, but he's also growing!
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I love my kinvara pro. Wish they had rubber on the outsole. As a heavier runner, it's comfortable and lets me pick up the speed or go 10+ miles. I'm 6'3 260-270 and have taken it 8 to 11 min paces. I also have plantar issues and it gives me the boost and cushion. I use it as a daily trainer. I also have the shift and the speed and the super comp v4. Its my favorite shoe I've ever touched.
I’m 222 lbs and wear a size 15 wide. I don’t have a lot of choices when it comes to this type of shoe! It’s good for the big guys
It definitely softens up after 30-50 miles. I love it as a long run shoe. I'm hoping if they come out with a second version that they cut 2mm of Powerun off the midsole and add a thin layer of rubber in high-wear areas. I prefer the Kinvara Pro over the Saucony Endorphin Speed series for long runs because the Kinvara Pro has the bounce from the Powerun PB, but it doesn't bottom out on a long run. Feet feel better after the run. For reference I weigh 150 pounds. I also have the Adidas Boston 12, but I definitely prefer the Saucony Kinvara Pro.
Besides what many people say about the Kinvara Pro, this is one great shoe. The midsole is firm, but for some reason, feels very comfortable underfoot. This shoe is enjoyable for my long runs with no issues whatsoever (IMHO).
The Saskatchewan Marathon is coming up on Sunday . Here in Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada 🇨🇦. I’m rocking the puma deviate nitro 2.
Good luck!🇨🇦
amazing - good luck bro! let us know how it goes
Been waiting for this review! 👀
Incredible real time review. I bought the Endorphin pro 3 but sent it back because it was incredibly narrow and I don’t have a wide foot at all. I was going to to order the kinvaro but you saved me from misery! Thank you 😎
"Firm, rigid, stiff" sounds exactly like my experience with the Boston 12!
How many miles did you suffer through? For me they improved around 30 to 50 and then became an all time fave past 100. But I don't always like suffering through miles to get to the good part
@@supwell 'Suffer' is the right word. Someone recommended walking around in them, to soften them up, but even that was extremely uncomfortable in the beginning. I'm not a high mileage runner, and am in the fortunate position that I have more than enough shoes to not be forced to use it, so I'm now at the point where they 'don't completely suck'. Probably around 40-50km, which would fall in the range you gave. Hearing you talk about the Kinvara Pro, and that look on your face, just felt so relatable, even the part where they felt better going faster. Doing hill sprints in the Boston 12 gave me a glimpse of why people like it so much, so I hope to love it some day.
Thanks for reviewing! I ended up pulling the trigger already so mine comes in today. SC trainer V2 was too soft for me, so hopefully this works
Amazing hopefully you got the deal price! Let me know how you like them
I ordered the day before, so I emailed Saucony and they refunded me the difference! You may be able to do the same. I forgot to buy through your link tho... Next time!
Took on my second run today (first long run) and the shoe is great. I like the extra stability for long runs and it felt good at every pace. A nice cruiser. Same weight as my Brooks ghost max which give no energy back and feel super clunky.
@@JonathanSanders458agreed man I got some more miles in these and they're great for cruising. Ghost max is my favorite shoe for walking though - really comfortable
I’ve had a pair for a long time, and they are this strange shoe that I almost forget about for long stretches. Then I put them on for a run, and I end up loving the experience. The strange part is that I can’t really identify why. They just sort of work perfectly for me (big dude, pretty slow, like to go far).
Agree with others that they soften up around 50 miles. First few runs in it are crazy firm. Almost 300 miles on mine. I would definitely rank these behind New Balance SC Trainer (1 and 2). Great video as usual!
They look so comfortable!
I was thinking exactly the same thing about your weight and pace conversation when it comes to shoes. I’m a tall 210 lb runner and this shoe feels like it has the perfect cushion for me at mid pace 8:00 min miles but the ability to go faster. With the extra weight other “max cushioned” shoes feel like they bottom out and crush underneath me where this feels like it bounces back. But I definitely agree that if your not heavier or running at a faster pace this shoe is gonna feel firmer than you’d expect but if your heavier and looking for an in between race pace and super crusher this hits the sweet spot for me for marathon pace or slighter slower runs where I want the response but don’t want to use my race day shoe. Definitely a very niche shoe but I’m glad they made it cause for me it hits that spot perfect.
I just picked up some Kinvara Pros a month and a half ago and they’ve been my daily’s. I initially hated the stiffness but after 50 miles in they soften up a bit: they’ve been growing on me. I did buy the wide and they’re fairly comfortable. I was a little worried about the outsole durability but they seem to be holding up pretty well after a 100 miles in. Though I will say that I’m not too keen on getting another pair.
Hi Sr. thank you for your amazing shoes review, tips, and thoughts around running, I was so hard trying to get the Boston 12, and when finally I was able to wear it, everything was wonderful, except the upper, the edge around the ankle was bothering a lot.
And about Kinvara Pro, I had that same feeling but when I run in Endorphin Pro 3, for me is very stiff, not getting popup like with Nike Vapor Fly version 1 😅
Thanks and regards.
Like others have said, it does soften up a lot, and I always feel like it wants me to up my cadence, even for slower paces - rolling over the shoe more than compressing it and bouncing back up
Good to know about the break in period. I'm hoping it becomes more like the shift 3, which also had that fast turnover feel
Let’s go! Late night team unite!
My first run was a half marathon. I loved them. I weigh 90kg. Half Mara time 1:45. Second run they felt softer - didn’t love them so much. I don’t think this shoe is for smaller runners. I squish a pair of speed 4s.
Great couple videos this week..almost my running shoe history..I started in the Saucony shadow and jazz shoe in the 70s and 80s..eventually moved up to the hokas and then into the nike epic reacts..that was the best for me for several seasons,but only in the white colorway..the other colors not as good..I often used the kinvaras until the rebels came out and mostly now in the hokas,tyr and diadora shoes..during this journey I often go back into the Saucony s and they really haven't changed much in the last 50yrs..really enjoyed this journey down memory lane..😂😂..it's ok if you can take the Charlotte weather back down there..😅
Love the Hurricane 24's ❤. Currently have the Hurricane 24's, Guide 17, Kinvara Pro & had endorphin Shift 2's. I think the Kinvara Pros feel closest to the Endorphin Shifts. I thought it was going to be the Guides or Hurricane but found it to the Kinvara Pro in testing
In the spirit of running with what we have and getting my money's worth, I'm trying to find a way to make the Superblast work for me. I did OK today on a slow run. Its good qualities are that it is very comfortable on foot, it's protective, and it doesn't flatten out on a long run. That Mizuno Neo Vista is calling me though.
Also, I really like the openness of your neighborhood. I'm about 10 miles east of Los Angeles and my neighborhood is nice but considerably more packed in than yours. On the other side of L.A., it's really crowded (and a little dirty) because you're getting closer to the beaches.
i can't wait to try the new mizuno. maybe the superblast just needs 250 miles to break in 😂
@@supwell I'm curious to get your thoughts on the Mizuno, compared to something like the SC Trainer.
I've got 175 miles on the Superblast now.
Great review!
What shoes offer their benefits with lower impact forces?
Could you try a weighted vest for a mile or two and see if you can tell the difference in firmer shoes? I would need a big helium balloon to get down to your weight.
At the end, you mention the old pwrrun Rides, I picked up a cheap pair and have been really liking them. Like these KinPro's, I think the ZoomFly5's might be another shoe that get poor reviews from the light, fit sub 3h marathoners, but could do well for the "average" 4h runners.
Hahah I like that weighted vest idea - a bit scared what it would do to my knees but it sounds fun. I did notice though on both runs when I went faster (more force) it felt a lot better
If you do the weighted vest, please don't do long runs. Going to add too much impact without helping your fitness
“And this is the nova blast four-ITS GOING IN THE HOLE!!” 😂😂
Idk if PWRRUN is the same across models but the OG kinvara was not it for me fam. That foam just feels boxy and brick like.
Also I think the official replacement of the shift is looking more like the new hurricane but could be mistaken.
You should try the Altra experience line.
Altra is on the list! Stay tuned
You still haven't tried any version of Magic Speed, right? I don't want to sound like the guy who wanted to see this test. I'm not requesting it, but I'll point out you have covered every shoe in that category (that I'm aware of) except MS3.
Mach X and Magic Speed are the last ones left I need to cover - stay tuned!
@supwell Mach X2 when it's out looks amazing
I bought a pair of Saucony Endorphin Shift 3's for $60 ran in them once but I really like them, might buy another pair cause their $60.
People frequently say Sauconys tend to run narrow but I just bought my first pair from them, Hurricane 24s, and they are quite capacious in the forefoot for me. I measure spot on 12D and buy everything in that size (except Nikes, which I avoid because they tend to be too narrow in the toes at my size and too long if I size up). Is the Hurricane slightly different from other Sauconys or is there something weird about my feet?
I have the Shift original and they were stiff as he'll with no plate and you have a descent amount of the pwrrun with a plate so the pwwrun+ and pb are probably not enough to compensate and I am around 210lbs so of course you're 160 gotta mash em
Love the color
Review the glycerin 21
hahaha your persistence is not unnoticed - i got you bro
Beautiful shoe.
Asics Novablast 4 or Saucony Triumph 21?
Ouuu that's a tough one. Lots of overlap but Triumph has a little more bounce while the novablast 4 has more stability and protective cushion. Novablast 4 probably takes it for longer miles and triumph for faster running. So I'd choose based on which of those you're looking for
man I love my green Kinvaras Pro! well is a love and hate relationship, I can tell you I have the guide 16 and they are very rigit, I am now between the Triump 22 and the next Hurricane! That will be a hard decision I think!
can't wait for the hurricane! should be a fun shoe
@@supwell yeah I hope will be as cushioned as the triump with just a liiiiiitle bit of stability but not tooo much that can mess with the cushion
What other shoe do I need in my rotation. I currently run about 50km a week and have the superblast, novablast 4 and boston 12. Going to get one more shoe but don't want a racing shoe as do track races instead or road and have spikes.
That's a solid rotation! You def don't need anything else - but if you're set on adding one, the only type of training shoe I would add is a lower stack lightweight shoe like the Rebel v4. That would give you a different feel than the three you have
All I can say is: it REALLY needs to break in... after 50km this shoe became really really great ... before that I was ... underwhelmed.
okay cool i have 20 miles on it now so will be able to get it up to that next time i run in it - i'll report back!
@@supwell I think you might be too light for it the PWRRUN foam.
Our Rep said last year it was really designed for "big guys". I'm not big, but I have relatively long contact time since I'm not nearly as fit as you.
But then: you are simply right, there a better shoes for less money.
What's your weight, if you don't mind me asking? This shoe may work better for me being a heavier runner trying to do speed work for sprints, 😅
Yes it's a great shoe for bigger runners! I am 6 foot 2, 160 lbs and I like it for getting under 7 minute per mile pace
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But the peach is fye
This Shoe is Firm as hell, i train and ran a half marathon in this. It’s just uncomfortable for me ,6’2 220. At fast pace I wouldn’t even consider it.
Good god that red to yellow to white on the top mid sole is horrific
“Few and far between”. 😂
I love the Kinvara series - the 11th to me was the best, but then after the 13th for some unknown reason, Saucony decided to "reinvent it" with the 14, which is not bad but isn't quite the "kinvara" type, so then the Kinvara "Pro" came out, I asked Why? What is the purpose of making a good thing a "mediocre experiment" meant to fail...? heavy, clunky, purposeless.... you name it...
sorry Saucony but the Kinvara "Pro" is a "No-Broh" to me ...
Not the Mickey D III’s
Slug...watch? ⌚️
This seems like a Frankenstein of a shoe. Give it a nickname like you did the triumph. Maybe the Saucony kinvara Semi-Pro or the kinvara amateur LOL
Hahaha stay tuned
Sounds like this shoe flopped?
"few and far between"
Slugs rise up
Few and far between