What I love about Herbert inventing the Spice Melange as the keystone commodity of his fictional world is that at one time in human history it really was spice that linked the east with the west via trade lol. I interpreted the Spice Melange as an allegory for oil & opium/hashish when I read the book many, many years ago.
It was more that Oil was central to the world economy and travel. Look at the Arab oil embargo in the 70s but imagine that Saudi Arabia was the only country on the planet that had oil.
When the first movie came out, my father said it was a thinly veiled reference to LSD, but in hindsight "The oil must flow" is our society's mandate and addiction. If the oil stopped flowing, society would collapse as all transport is dependent on it, not a GPS drug.
I like to think it is basically if you made life a drug and then made the supply of the most precious commodity of all time - pure life, extremely rare. Nations would tear themselves apart.
Star wars: we use highley advanced computers and warpdrives to fly through hyperspace. Dune: Ight so we have these mutant fish crackheads snort super worm poop space lsd and they just kinda of fling you across time and space. Any questions?
Technically, the Holzmann Engines do the actual space folding. The Navigators simply use precience to forsee safe routes through higher dimensional space.
what i really like about dune is the prospect of a humanity that discarded most of its highly evolved technology. it sets the universe very much apart from all the rest of science fiction and shows very intricate how humans can evolve their own skillsets instead of technology.
Technology is our skillset. İt did not exist or made itself into being. İts proof of our intelligence as a species. Making Technology into "other" makes no sense.
I really hope these movies become successful enough to allow for a long series of films so we can see how Spice really affects the generations of humankind during and post the Paul Era :D
I want so bad to see God Emperor in a movie form (possibly two movies) by a capable director (like Villeneuve), but 3 books must first be successful enough as movies for it to happen...
Back in the day I wish that the syfy channel had made God Emperor of Dune after they did Children of Dune. I would be very curious as to how anyone could adapt the last 3 books though.
It's actually a 3 part trilogy. Dune - Children of Dune - Dune Messiah. There was a TV series for it. I have them all the original was brilliant with advanced technology the new version should be spectacular.
the way herbert keeps up with the mysticism sorrounding the spice is amazing. it's everywhere on arrakis, and yet its true raw form has never been shown. it's almost treated like a philosopher's stone. it takes the shape it needs to be every time it shows up
@Bryson Reins i wasn't talking about its properties or it being a jack of all trades, i was merely speaking of its physical form. what you're saying is true tho. it certainly enhances whatever capabilities the user has got, as long as they got the right training to unlock em. even paul's prescience can be somewhat explained. the spice unlocked his mentat powers to the extreme, and the breeding program made it so he had enough past legacy in his genes to embrace his powers brimming of possible knowledge he could dig into. the night of the first awakening basically shows his mentat predictions goin overdrive to the far reaches of the future.
@Bryson Reins we keep missing each other :) the scene i was talking about was the first night in the deep desert, before paul and jessica meet the fremen. my mistake this time :D. this is all my own understanding, since even when leto in the god emperor is working on a way to kill prescience to keep the golden path open he still doesn't explains much of how the prescience works in conjunction to past and future memories. paul's visions aren't always perfect. there are somewhat fixed points but the rest is always fluctuating. the fixed points might be a result of an extremely high number of converging possibilities to that direction. of course, i'm not saying that mentat+spice=kwisatz haderach, still, it's a way to see the powers in a more grounded side and it's also true that genetic memory is a concept heavily used as well, so that a keen mentat spice user might tap into that. i'd say it's not beyond reason. it's clear that in all the duneverse, there are 2 sides of it. the missionaria protectiva was an attempt to instill stories about a superbeing with godly superpowers, but in reality most of the moves done by the bene gesserit and later by jessica were based only on analytical logic, they abused a system put in place. by the end of each arc though, paul and the others "superbeings" are so engolfed in it, that what they do is actually becoming part of the legend itself, so much so that they can't escape from it
@Bryson Reins the missionaria protectiva is a sort of religious mission of the bene gesserit to seed targeted mysticism "about a bene gesserit and her son" and prepare the world to the arrival of a messiah to natives of various planets. all this in order to make them accept the kwisatz haderach they wanted to create and have control of, supposedly. it wasn't a prediction, the bene gesserit just knew that someday they would create this being somehow, thru the breeding program. so they wanted to ease its acceptance to the universe, creating legends about it, over millennia. the bene gesserit finally lost control over the breeding program due to jessica disrupting their chain. but the legends remained
@Bryson Reins don't, dune books are so complex, each time you read em you find new angles to understand stuff, denying what you previously thought as facts :). most of the juicy concepts aren't even explained to the letter, the reader must get those thru the intricate chain of events :)
@Bryson Reins glad you're enjoying the chitchat. well, on the surface, dune is a straightforward story. what makes it intricate is the whole reasoning and actions each player has put on the table to reach their goals. momoa doesn't certainly look a duncan but, surprisingly he seems to pull it off, the kinda feline eyes, the playful side, his stealth-y poses with the dual blades, he seems to have got the espionage side of his role right too. i'm waaay more concerned about liet kynes, honestly. while the genderswap is a big issue, i hope that they will not make the char being married to stilgar or something like that as well, it would change the dynamic between paul, chani and stilgar too much. i wouldn't base too much on what actors say on the mic, it's marketing. if you hear stuff from rebecca ferguson it's even worse. while it would be nice if everyone was a dune addict to play the role perfectly, i would say it's more important that the director knows what to do with the story and move the actors accordingly. lynch's was a mess because he didn't understand the source material and he didn't like it even tho the cast was stellar and some of them were dune fans. villeueve is in his wonderland with a stellar cast, he can do great. duncan changes drasticly everytime he shows up later on in the saga. if new movies come up i'm sure the actor at that point will be totally invested in learning each differences
read Dune years ago. just finished Dune Messiah and on to Children of Dune. I am listening to the Audion books, really good btw, and did not realise how nuanced the books are. re reading or listening can really help you reevaluated what your reading. Life experiences can really change how you can understand and appropriate something that you did not in the past. If I had had enough Spice I would not need to re read anything!
Read the first six fir the first times in mid 80s. Read God Emperor a ridiculous number of times. Have most on Audible. Listening to Children of Dune last night and caught something that I never noticed. Amazing after reading these books multiple times and can still discover things.
Wait for the God Emperor. Every time I read it, filtered by new life experiences, it brings something new. "Government is a shared myth (Moneo*). When myth dies, government dies." *(Can't recall exact wording now).
Real Life: Drugs are bad for your physical and mental health. Dune: Spice is Super Space Crack that lets you remember being your mom and become near immortal.
Once you use Spice, you are addicted for LIFE. Withdraw IS fatal. But the upsides are huge. Long life (hundreds, if not thousands of years, in good health), hugely increased mental abilities, and enhanced awareness and senses. Plus, Spice is what makes their interstellar travel possible.
Not really, spice addiction was not much different than any other narcotic. Fatality from withdraw was only in extreme cases, such as navigators and spice gas. As for the interstellar travel aspect that was resolved during the scattering, No-ships didn't require a navigator.
@@nikushim6665 no, in dune Paul says that he can’t leave the planet cuz of the side effects of leaving the spice It happens shortly after Yueh’s betrayal, when Paul and Jessica are in the desert
@@palereaper I think that was more so goof on herberts part, because Jessica did leave multiple times. Every reverend mother had a insane amount of spice exposure. Same for every jihad warrior sent off world. Paul was also kinda of a fuckup anyways. It was Leto calling the shots in the end.
This masterpiece has three interesting SF settings. 1.Forbidding AI, there are limited techs for human improvement, natural selection, selective breeding, and rare drugs. 2. The drugs affect differently to men or women. They improve logical thinking of the former (to control outer material environments), recognition of human senses, needs & emotions of the latter (to deal with body-internal & social environment). 3. The drugs improve both abilities in the case of the hero.
The part about artificial intelligence being banned due to an uprising really reminded me of war hammer 40k. I’m guessing warhammer stole that from dune like they did much else.
not really, it was banned because the emperor dieded and the cult of god emperor started, In millennium 30 they used ai and other advanced technologies just fine, before the emperor became a living corpse. They still find STC and other advanced shit in 40k 10 millennia later, and mechanicus still uses them.
@@SpaceMarine113 mankind has banned AI after the revolt of the men of iron during the Age of Strife, a galactic scale Skynet scenario before the time of the Emperor Although the Imperium still uses advanced technologies, processing power relies on cogitators and servitors instead of computers, brains instead of GPU
@@SpaceMarine113 the Emperor banned it when he came to power and it wasn’t something he really had to work hard to push through. They war against the Men of Iron was one of the greatest wars in galactic history second only to the War in Heaven. He just figured that they would produce other tech and research things besides AI but then he got put on that Golden Porto potty the Mechanicus went weird.
I always appreciate how you tell the facts without rushing or brushing rapidly past important details. The story is always clear and concise. Thank you for that.
One thing most miss is spice was found to be an cure to an biological disease that was released during the last stages mechanic wars. The other effects are side effects that was found after some used above the minimum required doses to stop the disease from developing. And this is how the guild and the Sisters found the special effects of over use.
In the later books like Sandworms and hunters, the machines come back way more advanced and start spreading plagues, a newer version of the sisterhood combats this by converting all their members into reverend mothers, which inevitably ends up killing a huge portion of the sisterhood due to not all of them being compatible
@null entropy those books were interesting to read, but personally think Frank Herbert would have been turning in his grave, with allow the none lure concepts Brian Herbert and Kevin made to his beloved Dune series. The number of times Brian and Kevin changed key material to the point it made me wonder if they even understood Frank's whole concept and history of key factors.
Dune peeps: "Artificial intelligence is too powerful and dangerous, and can't be trusted." Also Dune peeps: "Let's get our most powerful leaders hooked on weapons-grade ADHD drugs instead."
@@RekLooseRocks: Spice isn't psychotropic either when used in small quantities, it just improves mental ability. But I bet ADHD drugs would be psychotropic if you freebased them constantly like the Navigators do. Pretty much everything else that boosts dopamine in the brain, like ADHD drugs do, is psychotropic when used in large quantities.
The spice must flow. It is a classic hidden in plain sight thing. Hope the elegant vision is show with the budget and respect it deserves. Hoping for the best.
What I like about this is it helps to inform us about the wonderful complexity of the story of Dune, but does not interfere with our potential enjoyment of the work, if we have never read it, or seen the new version. Thank you for the thoughtfulness by which you have put this together.
The Golden path was such a scary path! In the new books... #SPOILERS - The ability to bring them all back was created and they end up returned but also transformed... When Leto 2 broke up and returned worms to the desert all of humanities knowledge and awareness went with him. The new worms are prescient is my opinion.
"I call it the spice Melange. It's a high protein feed for farm animals, insulation for low income housing, a powerful explosive, and a top notch engine coolant. And best of all, it's made from 100% recycled worm excretion."
Dune is basically the story of an entire civilization hooked on space heroine. It makes for a great story, but realistically, mankind doesn't really seem much better off then they did before.
Dune isn't meant to be an optimistic view of the future, it's actually pretty pessimist. In Dune humanity has grown stagnant as a whole. There is no development socially, technologically or evolutionary (outside of small very limited programs by the Bene Gesserit, Ix, Bene Tleilax and the Spacing Guild). Dune also zooms out its view on humanity and deals with humans on massive scales where humans stop being human and become instinctively driven mobs or floods. Paul Atreides tries fighting the mob mentality of humanity constantly through his rise to power and his later reign and is eventually consumed by it. Leto II has to basically destroy human society in the hope of forcing its rebirth and giving it new life. The factions of Dune are pessimistic portrayals of humanity's problems as well. After discovering Spice and colonizing the known universe the strongest factions of the empire become entirely focused on maintaining the status quo, everything done becomes about ensuring that tomorrow is exactly the same as today and no one tries to fix the issues of society because that might upset the status quo.
(with goofy southern accent) I gotta get me some of that there Spice! Great video! I can tell a lot of hard work and attention to detail goes into these videos and, for what it's worth, I really appreciate it. Thank you peace
I can listen to your voice all day long! So tranquil and pleasing! So is it Utopia or Distopia when the whole Universe is addicted to the same drug? What happens when the planet stops producing the spice because all the Sandworms are killed off and no more sand trouts are born?
As my dad said when the first movie came out, it was a thinly veiled reference to LSD which became popular in the early 60s, so it eas obviously known about by 1965 when Dune was published and is easy to guess Frank used it in those years.
A well thought out expose. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into your videos. Though I may not always agree with some of your conclusions, they are always presented well with all the facts on the subject.
Instead of being enslaved by computers, let's get enslaved by each other... instead of being enslaved by each other, let's get enslaved by some mutant superhuman... or a big bad worm!
Yeah, that has long been my problem with the backstory. The Butlerian Jihad did *not* free all of humanity to pursue their full potential. It simply allowed those who were already gifted to turn everybody else into serfs. This is why I have trouble believing that nobody seriously rose up against the Imperium over 10,000 years.
I know some might not like my post. I am only just getting into the whole Dune series. But I find it interesting at how the whole of the Dune Universe trades one addiction for another in an attempt to stay alive. Keep the world moving. Trading an addiction to tech for a drug. Maybe, this is just a theory, to erase the mistakes of the past?
I'm not super well-versed in Dune lore; I've only read Dune twice and the second and third ones once. But I don't seem to recall Herbert ever talking about how the Fremen's lifespan was affected by their massive spice intake, if at all. In fact, I may be wrong, but he doesn't seem to talk about any of the other effects others get from spice ingestion, except the blue eyes. So, have the Fremen developed a tolerance or resistance to it over time? Are their lives considerably lengthened, and it's just not mentioned? Or is it covered in other works of his, and/or I'm forgetting something that was addressed?
There are a *lot* of inconsistencies in the novels that Herbert simply never bothered to deal with. You're entirely correct. If the spice extends life then why does it seem like every noble house seems to only have two living generations? In real life, Queen Elizabeth II has *three* generations of direct line heirs at age 95. Herbert is also all over the place when it comes to Other Memory. Based on how it is described to be transmitted, most ancestors' memories should only extend to the moment that they conceived the next ancestor in line, since no further genetic exchange happens after the child is born. But the story routinely behaves as if *all* memories from every ancestors' entire lifetime are preserved.
@@daniels7907 I definitely agree with all your points. I would point out though that we only really see the lineages of three noble houses in Herbert's Dune and those are all central to the Bene Gesserit breeding program at that point. It's very possible that the reason Houses Corrino, Atreides and Harkonnen don't have huge families running around is the Bene Gesserit's tight control of when and whether their females produce any offspring and even what sex the offspring is. That said given that Spice is supposed to drastically increase lifespans it is remarkable how few characters are described as being outside normal human lifespan. You would expect a huge proportion of the leadership of the empire to be people well on the other side of 100 years old, but we don't seem to see many or really any described as that old.
@@NATIK001 - True enough. But the BG's had to manage a delicate balancing act, because at least in theory they were not supposed to have as much influence over the Landsraad as they really did. This is why they publicly assumed a subordinate role, and why they concealed many of their abilities. The Landsraad would turn on them very quickly if the noble houses realized just how much the BG were pulling their strings. But how does *anybody* not notice that even the ruling class isn't living as long as they ought to given their access to a *very* powerful anagathic drug? The Fremen I could actually understand, just because they live in an *extremely* harsh environment and have a high mortality rate that is unrelated to old age.
Quite liking the calm, matter of fact journalistic tone. Tbh I tend to be prejudiced against enjoying Yankee dialects, but your presentation overcomes this.
spice did not mutate humans to replace computers, self aware machines trained humans to be like computers and was helped in the progress of this ability by another drug like substance. The mutated evolution of the Atreides lineage caused by life extension manipulation did allow for the genetic passing on of these abilities . Also the genetic cloning of Duncan Idaho allowed for the ability to genetically pass on this ability. Spice did not, spice opened the genetic abilities of a lot of other stuff though.
@@rajisatton9468 tell that to a domestic dog, cow, chicken, horse, lab rat, ornamental fish, genetically modified crop, turkey, or sheep or to those C.R.I.S.P.R children from China. We may not have created or invented evolution, but we control it intentionally and unintentionally all the time. Who knows what animal, plant, bacteria, virus, or human being we will create or alter in the far future.
@Steven Granati spice did mutate but weren't human so to speak after, not part of humanity in the normal seance . pure mathematics was there thing. Mentat's were the computers and still into normal humanity. Spoiler : Erasmus's doing. Navigators goal was to increase there numbers to fight the coming war, folding space there only weapon.
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Spice is also an analogy: variety is the Spice of life. Sudden withdrawal of Spice (i.e. "Life") resukts in death. As such, no two people agree on its flavor.
I wonder if the reason the Guild Navigators mutate is because they’re infusing their dna with the dna of the sand worms and are basically turning into a human/sand worm/trout hybrid.
It's an interesting thought, but I don't think it fits. Leto II had to merge with the actual sandtrout to become a worm himself (although a Spice overdose was involved in the process). Leto II turned into an actual worm (with a human head) during his process, but the Guild Navigators are described as gaining fins and various other marine or amphibious features. My thought it is that like the Spice enables the mind to see into the past lives of some users, the Spice also awakens old genes and DNA sequences. Basically I think the Navigators appearance comes from ancient pre-human DNA rather than that of the worms or the sandtrout That said could really be either and your idea is interesting as a possible option.
Cannabis smokers colloquially call superior pipeweed "good shit." So what is Melange? It is French for "mixture." But it is also sandworm excrement. Therein lies the hidden bathroom joke.
2:20 so one thing I don’t get is we know that spice is a byproduct of the lifecycle of sand worms and we know that sand worms are not native to Arakus so there must be at least one other planet that spice can be found on? Or so you would think?
No one knows where they came from or how they were introduced to Arrakis. A few people who unlocked their genetic memories have memories of Arrakis being a watery planet long ago before the worms, but no one has memories of the arrival of the worms. As for the home planet of the worms. It might not exist anymore or it may no longer have worms on it. Lack of knowledge of the planet of origin means there is little anyone can do to search for it, instead the factions of Dune who wants to break Spice monopoly focus on trying to transplant worms off Arrakis and unto other worlds. Though they fail because they don't understand the worm life cycle, they try to transplant the adult worms and they die to water, they should instead be transplanting the sandtrout in large numbers but outside the Fremen basically no one knows this.
Nope, it’s water and chemicals cast off by the larval stage of the worm ( sand trout) reacted with the surrounding sand and dried in the sun after exploding upward. Not worm poop, more like worm placenta and amniotic fluid
The spice of immortality open doors of perception within the mystic alchemy of psychosis, the cocoon of metamorphosis spiritual transformative vision....
I imagine that if other alien life's ever discover humanity in the Dune universe and try to interact with them, the conversation regarding methods of FTL travel may go like this: Alien 1: Using our knowledge in quantum engineering, we are able to bend space and time to shorten what could've been a long distance between destinations. You? Alien 2: Oh, nothing. Just the good ol' advanced technology to accommodate it. You? Alien 3: By combining our science with the arcane arts, we achieve the same thing, too. Anyone else? *_Glances at one human sniffing on a line of Spice Melange about as long as a dining table_* Human: ~If we eat the sun, will it taste spicy or not? 🤔🥴 Alien 1: _sighs_ Why do we even allowed them to aboard our ship?
According to Fremen prophecy, the chosen one is supposed to turn Arakkis into a paradise by bringing the water to the surface. By doing this there will be no more spice. The Fremen are addicted to spice. If spice withdraw is deadly, won't this kill all or most of the Fremen? Wouldn't this prophecy be unfavorable to the Fremen? I'm not a Dune lore expert so I might be mistaken with some of the facts.
The terraformation of Dune is slow and take thousands of years. If the Fremen lived forever the terraformation and loss of Spice would kill them, but as the planet is terraformed the Spice quantities in the air, soil, water and food lessen so subsequent generations gradually grow less addicted to it. By the time the Spice production (almost) ceases the Spice addiction is basically non-existent. The addiction is in a natural balance with the presence of the Spice and as the latter decrease the former does as well.
@@Suncoast_Samurai yeah I don't doubt it, I read in a book there is actually a lot of oil in the Earth and the price fixing happens on purpose, much like what the Harkonens were doing with the Spice.
There is only one thing I never got my head around... when they destroyed their machines they took away their ability to travel through space within reasonable timeframes. So how the fuck they ever got to Dune in the first place? And also - with no navigators around at that time nor the school of spacing guild even existing at that point....this is the whole birthflaw of an otherwise spectacular universe, not?
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What I love about Herbert inventing the Spice Melange as the keystone commodity of his fictional world is that at one time in human history it really was spice that linked the east with the west via trade lol. I interpreted the Spice Melange as an allegory for oil & opium/hashish when I read the book many, many years ago.
It was more that Oil was central to the world economy and travel. Look at the Arab oil embargo in the 70s but imagine that Saudi Arabia was the only country on the planet that had oil.
I read he was inspired by mushrooms, the worms found in them, the spores as the spice and blue from the blueing from the magic ones
@@tmthysmth82 that would make sense actually
When the first movie came out, my father said it was a thinly veiled reference to LSD, but in hindsight "The oil must flow" is our society's mandate and addiction. If the oil stopped flowing, society would collapse as all transport is dependent on it, not a GPS drug.
I like to think it is basically if you made life a drug and then made the supply of the most precious commodity of all time - pure life, extremely rare. Nations would tear themselves apart.
In the Midwest, this is basically analogous to Ranch Dressing. He who controls the hidden valley, controls the spice. The ranch MUST flow.
Hahaha good one bro.
Beware the Ranch worms, for they protect their fields!
@@stingr23 gross.
Aldi ranch is better than hidden valley. Try it and tell me I'm wrong.
lol, funny.
Star wars: we use highley advanced computers and warpdrives to fly through hyperspace.
Dune: Ight so we have these mutant fish crackheads snort super worm poop space lsd and they just kinda of fling you across time and space. Any questions?
Warhammer.....Hell,we literally go through hell.
Yes! Several questions! Paragraphs of questions! XD - Star trek
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Technically, the Holzmann Engines do the actual space folding. The Navigators simply use precience to forsee safe routes through higher dimensional space.
@@stainlesssteelfox1 But not before snorting a line of spice
what i really like about dune is the prospect of a humanity that discarded most of its highly evolved technology. it sets the universe very much apart from all the rest of science fiction and shows very intricate how humans can evolve their own skillsets instead of technology.
Technology is our skillset. İt did not exist or made itself into being. İts proof of our intelligence as a species. Making Technology into "other" makes no sense.
Its fiction bro spice isn’t real xx
@@mr.o8539 wait what? So what has my wife been putting into my food this entire time? 😳
@@mr.o8539 Psychedelics are real tho.
@@mimszanadunstedt441 Spice is more than psychedelics lol. It gives you telepathic powers and more
I really hope these movies become successful enough to allow for a long series of films so we can see how Spice really affects the generations of humankind during and post the Paul Era :D
I want so bad to see God Emperor in a movie form (possibly two movies) by a capable director (like Villeneuve), but 3 books must first be successful enough as movies for it to happen...
Back in the day I wish that the syfy channel had made God Emperor of Dune after they did Children of Dune.
I would be very curious as to how anyone could adapt the last 3 books though.
@Stannis Baratheon oh, and I just noticed. I am one of the guys that ruined your character...................
It's actually a 3 part trilogy.
Dune - Children of Dune - Dune Messiah. There was a TV series for it. I have them all the original was brilliant with advanced technology the new version should be spectacular.
The lack of spice caused the Scattering , done so without much help from the guild . Spice has many + and few minuses
the way herbert keeps up with the mysticism sorrounding the spice is amazing.
it's everywhere on arrakis, and yet its true raw form has never been shown. it's almost treated like a philosopher's stone. it takes the shape it needs to be every time it shows up
@Bryson Reins i wasn't talking about its properties or it being a jack of all trades, i was merely speaking of its physical form.
what you're saying is true tho.
it certainly enhances whatever capabilities the user has got, as long as they got the right training to unlock em.
even paul's prescience can be somewhat explained. the spice unlocked his mentat powers to the extreme, and the breeding program made it so he had enough past legacy in his genes to embrace his powers brimming of possible knowledge he could dig into. the night of the first awakening basically shows his mentat predictions goin overdrive to the far reaches of the future.
@Bryson Reins we keep missing each other :) the scene i was talking about was the first night in the deep desert, before paul and jessica meet the fremen. my mistake this time :D.
this is all my own understanding, since even when leto in the god emperor is working on a way to kill prescience to keep the golden path open he still doesn't explains much of how the prescience works in conjunction to past and future memories.
paul's visions aren't always perfect. there are somewhat fixed points but the rest is always fluctuating. the fixed points might be a result of an extremely high number of converging possibilities to that direction.
of course, i'm not saying that mentat+spice=kwisatz haderach, still, it's a way to see the powers in a more grounded side and it's also true that genetic memory is a concept heavily used as well, so that a keen mentat spice user might tap into that. i'd say it's not beyond reason.
it's clear that in all the duneverse, there are 2 sides of it. the missionaria protectiva was an attempt to instill stories about a superbeing with godly superpowers, but in reality most of the moves done by the bene gesserit and later by jessica were based only on analytical logic, they abused a system put in place. by the end of each arc though, paul and the others "superbeings" are so engolfed in it, that what they do is actually becoming part of the legend itself, so much so that they can't escape from it
@Bryson Reins the missionaria protectiva is a sort of religious mission of the bene gesserit to seed targeted mysticism "about a bene gesserit and her son" and prepare the world to the arrival of a messiah to natives of various planets. all this in order to make them accept the kwisatz haderach they wanted to create and have control of, supposedly.
it wasn't a prediction, the bene gesserit just knew that someday they would create this being somehow, thru the breeding program. so they wanted to ease its acceptance to the universe, creating legends about it, over millennia.
the bene gesserit finally lost control over the breeding program due to jessica disrupting their chain. but the legends remained
@Bryson Reins don't, dune books are so complex, each time you read em you find new angles to understand stuff, denying what you previously thought as facts :). most of the juicy concepts aren't even explained to the letter, the reader must get those thru the intricate chain of events :)
@Bryson Reins glad you're enjoying the chitchat. well, on the surface, dune is a straightforward story. what makes it intricate is the whole reasoning and actions each player has put on the table to reach their goals.
momoa doesn't certainly look a duncan but, surprisingly he seems to pull it off, the kinda feline eyes, the playful side, his stealth-y poses with the dual blades, he seems to have got the espionage side of his role right too.
i'm waaay more concerned about liet kynes, honestly. while the genderswap is a big issue, i hope that they will not make the char being married to stilgar or something like that as well, it would change the dynamic between paul, chani and stilgar too much.
i wouldn't base too much on what actors say on the mic, it's marketing. if you hear stuff from rebecca ferguson it's even worse. while it would be nice if everyone was a dune addict to play the role perfectly, i would say it's more important that the director knows what to do with the story and move the actors accordingly.
lynch's was a mess because he didn't understand the source material and he didn't like it even tho the cast was stellar and some of them were dune fans. villeueve is in his wonderland with a stellar cast, he can do great.
duncan changes drasticly everytime he shows up later on in the saga. if new movies come up i'm sure the actor at that point will be totally invested in learning each differences
Herbert certainly had a unique vision, that's what I love most about Dune.
it's reactionary sci-fi like starship troopers
read Dune years ago. just finished Dune Messiah and on to Children of Dune. I am listening to the Audion books, really good btw, and did not realise how nuanced the books are. re reading or listening can really help you reevaluated what your reading. Life experiences can really change how you can understand and appropriate something that you did not in the past. If I had had enough Spice I would not need to re read anything!
Read the first six fir the first times in mid 80s. Read God Emperor a ridiculous number of times. Have most on Audible. Listening to Children of Dune last night and caught something that I never noticed. Amazing after reading these books multiple times and can still discover things.
I really need to learn how to smell properly! D
Wait for the God Emperor. Every time I read it, filtered by new life experiences, it brings something new.
"Government is a shared myth (Moneo*). When myth dies, government dies."
*(Can't recall exact wording now).
@@Reynevan100 I am on it now but keep falling asleep. I listen when I am going to bed. need to start during the day. Re-listening to Dune.
I enjoy listening to books SO much more.
Its...story telling. An I get to listen.
Real Life: Drugs are bad for your physical and mental health.
Dune: Spice is Super Space Crack that lets you remember being your mom and become near immortal.
do some research abaout psychedelics
And only one planet in the universe was the source for it.
Yeah, um...if anything makes you remember being anyone other than who you are, you should never ever use it ever again.
@@deusexaethera I’ve done it and it has actually help me understand and heal others better
@@henrylam92 yikes
Once you use Spice, you are addicted for LIFE. Withdraw IS fatal. But the upsides are huge. Long life (hundreds, if not thousands of years, in good health), hugely increased mental abilities, and enhanced awareness and senses. Plus, Spice is what makes their interstellar travel possible.
Only if you take enough
Not really, spice addiction was not much different than any other narcotic. Fatality from withdraw was only in extreme cases, such as navigators and spice gas. As for the interstellar travel aspect that was resolved during the scattering, No-ships didn't require a navigator.
@@nikushim6665 that's way after Leto II, thousands of years after the end of the worms.
@@nikushim6665 no, in dune Paul says that he can’t leave the planet cuz of the side effects of leaving the spice
It happens shortly after Yueh’s betrayal, when Paul and Jessica are in the desert
@@palereaper I think that was more so goof on herberts part, because Jessica did leave multiple times. Every reverend mother had a insane amount of spice exposure. Same for every jihad warrior sent off world. Paul was also kinda of a fuckup anyways. It was Leto calling the shots in the end.
This masterpiece has three interesting SF settings. 1.Forbidding AI, there are limited techs for human improvement,
natural selection, selective breeding, and rare drugs. 2. The drugs affect differently to men or women. They improve
logical thinking of the former (to control outer material environments), recognition of human senses, needs & emotions of
the latter (to deal with body-internal & social environment). 3. The drugs improve both abilities in the case of the hero.
The part about artificial intelligence being banned due to an uprising really reminded me of war hammer 40k. I’m guessing warhammer stole that from dune like they did much else.
not really, it was banned because the emperor dieded and the cult of god emperor started, In millennium 30 they used ai and other advanced technologies just fine, before the emperor became a living corpse. They still find STC and other advanced shit in 40k 10 millennia later, and mechanicus still uses them.
@@SpaceMarine113 mankind has banned AI after the revolt of the men of iron during the Age of Strife, a galactic scale Skynet scenario before the time of the Emperor
Although the Imperium still uses advanced technologies, processing power relies on cogitators and servitors instead of computers, brains instead of GPU
When I hear about a ‘war against the machines’ I can’t help but think about The Matrix.
Never heard of the concept of AI uprising before. It must solely belong to the author of Dune and no other being has ever contemplated such at thing.
@@SpaceMarine113 the Emperor banned it when he came to power and it wasn’t something he really had to work hard to push through. They war against the Men of Iron was one of the greatest wars in galactic history second only to the War in Heaven. He just figured that they would produce other tech and research things besides AI but then he got put on that Golden Porto potty the Mechanicus went weird.
The Spice must flow.
I always appreciate how you tell the facts without rushing or brushing rapidly past important details. The story is always clear and concise. Thank you for that.
One thing most miss is spice was found to be an cure to an biological disease that was released during the last stages mechanic wars. The other effects are side effects that was found after some used above the minimum required doses to stop the disease from developing. And this is how the guild and the Sisters found the special effects of over use.
In the later books like Sandworms and hunters, the machines come back way more advanced and start spreading plagues, a newer version of the sisterhood combats this by converting all their members into reverend mothers, which inevitably ends up killing a huge portion of the sisterhood due to not all of them being compatible
@null entropy those books were interesting to read, but personally think Frank Herbert would have been turning in his grave, with allow the none lure concepts Brian Herbert and Kevin made to his beloved Dune series.
The number of times Brian and Kevin changed key material to the point it made me wonder if they even understood Frank's whole concept and history of key factors.
Dune peeps: "Artificial intelligence is too powerful and dangerous, and can't be trusted."
Also Dune peeps: "Let's get our most powerful leaders hooked on weapons-grade ADHD drugs instead."
Still better than AI.
@@justchilling704: You have obviously never needed to take ADHD drugs.
ADHD drugs aren’t psychotropic. I think spice is probably more like DMT.
@@RekLooseRocks: Spice isn't psychotropic either when used in small quantities, it just improves mental ability. But I bet ADHD drugs would be psychotropic if you freebased them constantly like the Navigators do. Pretty much everything else that boosts dopamine in the brain, like ADHD drugs do, is psychotropic when used in large quantities.
Spice isn’t an amphetamine tho. It makes you see the future and extends your life.
The spice must flow. It is a classic hidden in plain sight thing. Hope the elegant vision is show with the budget and respect it deserves. Hoping for the best.
Cool to know what spice is. I was curious why it’s so valuable.
What I like about this is it helps to inform us about the wonderful complexity of the story of Dune, but does not interfere with our potential enjoyment of the work, if we have never read it, or seen the new version. Thank you for the thoughtfulness by which you have put this together.
I bet those women addicted to spice are called Spice Girls
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Take your upvote and get the hell out.
On Spice World
@@deusexaethera you mean like?
Lol nailed it
Your videos are so good, both informative and entertaining , I’m watching many of them again!!
Me too.
I watched dune yesterday and now I'm obsessed with the lore
The art in this is amazing, I especially like the alternate spice miner, very different from what we've seen before. More functional design.
"Spice? Not even once! - eye glowing dude"
The Golden path was such a scary path!
In the new books... #SPOILERS - The ability to bring them all back was created and they end up returned but also transformed... When Leto 2 broke up and returned worms to the desert all of humanities knowledge and awareness went with him. The new worms are prescient is my opinion.
I absolutely loved the film..what a masterpiece!
Found the additional story info you provided here really insightful and appreciated 👍🙏
Besides the obvious that you present great content, your voice is very tranquil as well!
*puts turmeric in worm bin* the project begins.
😅
Can’t believe South Park brought me here 😂 what a Story thou
What episode?
Cool!! Dune is awesome..😁
Welcome to the Dune universe!
@@cozza0421 the one where they try and steal tom bradys shit
Yes
"I call it the spice Melange. It's a high protein feed for farm animals, insulation for low income housing, a powerful explosive, and a top notch engine coolant. And best of all, it's made from 100% recycled worm excretion."
Excellent break down and exposition on the topic. You explain everything throughly and clearly.
Awesome video lady :) I really love the Dune books
The detail in Herbert's Dune universe is mind blowing
I'm betting it would taste like lemongrass tainted Royal Cinnamon as opposed to common cinnamon.
I hope they release an image of the sardaukar in the near future.
that's wild that frank herbert was so inspired by a south park joke
Dune is basically the story of an entire civilization hooked on space heroine. It makes for a great story, but realistically, mankind doesn't really seem much better off then they did before.
Dune isn't meant to be an optimistic view of the future, it's actually pretty pessimist.
In Dune humanity has grown stagnant as a whole. There is no development socially, technologically or evolutionary (outside of small very limited programs by the Bene Gesserit, Ix, Bene Tleilax and the Spacing Guild). Dune also zooms out its view on humanity and deals with humans on massive scales where humans stop being human and become instinctively driven mobs or floods. Paul Atreides tries fighting the mob mentality of humanity constantly through his rise to power and his later reign and is eventually consumed by it. Leto II has to basically destroy human society in the hope of forcing its rebirth and giving it new life.
The factions of Dune are pessimistic portrayals of humanity's problems as well. After discovering Spice and colonizing the known universe the strongest factions of the empire become entirely focused on maintaining the status quo, everything done becomes about ensuring that tomorrow is exactly the same as today and no one tries to fix the issues of society because that might upset the status quo.
My evening is complete.. :) thank you for all your. hard work, quality content 🙏🏼⭐️🙏🏼
(with goofy southern accent) I gotta get me some of that there Spice!
Great video! I can tell a lot of hard work and attention to detail goes into these videos and, for what it's worth, I really appreciate it. Thank you
peace
I can listen to your voice all day long! So tranquil and pleasing! So is it Utopia or Distopia when the whole Universe is addicted to the same drug? What happens when the planet stops producing the spice because all the Sandworms are killed off and no more sand trouts are born?
Excellent narration. Gave me exactly the information I was looking for. Thanks for posting. Subscribed.
They know about the spice, the spice melange
Tom Brady
Always like your Dune presentations. :)
Another interesting and informative video! Beyond excited for a trailer!
Love your vids. Very informative and your voice is sublime
I love this channel. You are doing good work.
Great video as always. I’m really hoping to get the trailer later this month.
As my dad said when the first movie came out, it was a thinly veiled reference to LSD which became popular in the early 60s, so it eas obviously known about by 1965 when Dune was published and is easy to guess Frank used it in those years.
Dabs and Nerd Cookies, best way to end the day 💚🍪
A well thought out expose. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into your videos. Though I may not always agree with some of your conclusions, they are always presented well with all the facts on the subject.
Besides totally loving your videos, I found Marion through you and am since addicted to his music (just like spice) :-)
Michal is great
Instead of being enslaved by computers, let's get enslaved by each other... instead of being enslaved by each other, let's get enslaved by some mutant superhuman... or a big bad worm!
Yeah, that has long been my problem with the backstory. The Butlerian Jihad did *not* free all of humanity to pursue their full potential. It simply allowed those who were already gifted to turn everybody else into serfs. This is why I have trouble believing that nobody seriously rose up against the Imperium over 10,000 years.
Sweet! Lookin forward to it!
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I know some might not like my post. I am only just getting into the whole Dune series. But I find it interesting at how the whole of the Dune Universe trades one addiction for another in an attempt to stay alive. Keep the world moving. Trading an addiction to tech for a drug. Maybe, this is just a theory, to erase the mistakes of the past?
As stated in lore - Without spice, space travel isn't possible. They have no alternative.
I'm not super well-versed in Dune lore; I've only read Dune twice and the second and third ones once. But I don't seem to recall Herbert ever talking about how the Fremen's lifespan was affected by their massive spice intake, if at all. In fact, I may be wrong, but he doesn't seem to talk about any of the other effects others get from spice ingestion, except the blue eyes.
So, have the Fremen developed a tolerance or resistance to it over time? Are their lives considerably lengthened, and it's just not mentioned? Or is it covered in other works of his, and/or I'm forgetting something that was addressed?
There are a *lot* of inconsistencies in the novels that Herbert simply never bothered to deal with. You're entirely correct. If the spice extends life then why does it seem like every noble house seems to only have two living generations? In real life, Queen Elizabeth II has *three* generations of direct line heirs at age 95. Herbert is also all over the place when it comes to Other Memory. Based on how it is described to be transmitted, most ancestors' memories should only extend to the moment that they conceived the next ancestor in line, since no further genetic exchange happens after the child is born. But the story routinely behaves as if *all* memories from every ancestors' entire lifetime are preserved.
@@daniels7907 I definitely agree with all your points.
I would point out though that we only really see the lineages of three noble houses in Herbert's Dune and those are all central to the Bene Gesserit breeding program at that point. It's very possible that the reason Houses Corrino, Atreides and Harkonnen don't have huge families running around is the Bene Gesserit's tight control of when and whether their females produce any offspring and even what sex the offspring is.
That said given that Spice is supposed to drastically increase lifespans it is remarkable how few characters are described as being outside normal human lifespan. You would expect a huge proportion of the leadership of the empire to be people well on the other side of 100 years old, but we don't seem to see many or really any described as that old.
@@NATIK001 - True enough. But the BG's had to manage a delicate balancing act, because at least in theory they were not supposed to have as much influence over the Landsraad as they really did. This is why they publicly assumed a subordinate role, and why they concealed many of their abilities. The Landsraad would turn on them very quickly if the noble houses realized just how much the BG were pulling their strings.
But how does *anybody* not notice that even the ruling class isn't living as long as they ought to given their access to a *very* powerful anagathic drug? The Fremen I could actually understand, just because they live in an *extremely* harsh environment and have a high mortality rate that is unrelated to old age.
jExcellent overview. Nice, calming voice. Cheers.
Quite liking the calm, matter of fact journalistic tone. Tbh I tend to be prejudiced against enjoying Yankee dialects, but your presentation overcomes this.
What I find interesting it's not machines but computers that are prohibited. With how spice mutates humans to replace computers.
spice did not mutate humans to replace computers, self aware machines trained humans to be like computers and was helped in the progress of this ability by another drug like substance.
The mutated evolution of the Atreides lineage caused by life extension manipulation did allow for the genetic passing on of these abilities .
Also the genetic cloning of Duncan Idaho allowed for the ability to genetically pass on this ability.
Spice did not, spice opened the genetic abilities of a lot of other stuff though.
Evolution is not man made
@@rajisatton9468 tell that to a domestic dog, cow, chicken, horse, lab rat, ornamental fish, genetically modified crop, turkey, or sheep or to those C.R.I.S.P.R children from China. We may not have created or invented evolution, but we control it intentionally and unintentionally all the time. Who knows what animal, plant, bacteria, virus, or human being we will create or alter in the far future.
@Steven Granati spice did mutate but weren't human so to speak after, not part of humanity in the normal seance .
pure mathematics was there thing. Mentat's were the computers and still into normal humanity.
Spoiler : Erasmus's doing.
Navigators goal was to increase there numbers to fight the coming war, folding space there only weapon.
“Spice” is the magic you need to get the sci-fi to work.
Spice is shrooms lol. If I remember correctly, Frank Herbert lived in the PNW and was using this very special “melange” for his inspiration for Dune.
Your videos are amazing, keep it up!
"Dune" was first published during the 1960s so such a Frank Herbert story is about recreational drugs of back to nature wild hippies.
Nerd cookies
Quinn's Ideas
bless the two
bless them in their talks
bless them in their discussions
even if they do not couple together
bless them both as if they had
the two channels, Nerd Cookies, and Quinn's Ideas, are great channels....if for nothing else, then for Dune content.....which i love
I think, if the two were to work together, they could ping pong off of each other, and make even greater content than that which they have already made.
I have only recently become aware of Nerd Cookies, where as, i have all of Quinn's contents concerning Dune downloaded, and i HIGHLY ENJOY listening to it over and over AND OVER AGAIN
........i hope the two fo you will consider working together
Thanks for the upload.
If you want to really expand your mind, listen to the audio-books. They're wonderfully done and give the story a whole new dimension. Neat channel.
I just got a deal on Kindle to get the ebooks for 5$ and then the audio for about 7$. I purchased the 4 on offer. Good stuff.
Blessed You shall be for sharing Your Wisdom, and May The Spice be with You!
Spice is also an analogy: variety is the Spice of life. Sudden withdrawal of Spice (i.e. "Life") resukts in death. As such, no two people agree on its flavor.
THE HYPE MUST FLOW
I wonder if the reason the Guild Navigators mutate is because they’re infusing their dna with the dna of the sand worms and are basically turning into a human/sand worm/trout hybrid.
It's an interesting thought, but I don't think it fits.
Leto II had to merge with the actual sandtrout to become a worm himself (although a Spice overdose was involved in the process).
Leto II turned into an actual worm (with a human head) during his process, but the Guild Navigators are described as gaining fins and various other marine or amphibious features.
My thought it is that like the Spice enables the mind to see into the past lives of some users, the Spice also awakens old genes and DNA sequences. Basically I think the Navigators appearance comes from ancient pre-human DNA rather than that of the worms or the sandtrout
That said could really be either and your idea is interesting as a possible option.
Cannabis smokers colloquially call superior pipeweed "good shit." So what is Melange? It is French for "mixture." But it is also sandworm excrement. Therein lies the hidden bathroom joke.
love your vids and voice.. too bad they are so short
Great presentation, as usual!
Loved the vid!!! Your the best Cooks
2:20 so one thing I don’t get is we know that spice is a byproduct of the lifecycle of sand worms and we know that sand worms are not native to Arakus so there must be at least one other planet that spice can be found on? Or so you would think?
Yep and likely nobody cares since arakis is the place that makes the hole thing efficient.
No one knows where they came from or how they were introduced to Arrakis. A few people who unlocked their genetic memories have memories of Arrakis being a watery planet long ago before the worms, but no one has memories of the arrival of the worms.
As for the home planet of the worms. It might not exist anymore or it may no longer have worms on it.
Lack of knowledge of the planet of origin means there is little anyone can do to search for it, instead the factions of Dune who wants to break Spice monopoly focus on trying to transplant worms off Arrakis and unto other worlds. Though they fail because they don't understand the worm life cycle, they try to transplant the adult worms and they die to water, they should instead be transplanting the sandtrout in large numbers but outside the Fremen basically no one knows this.
Melange is another name for variety. The spice extends life. So, variety is the spice of life.
The source of spice is the worms, the worm is the spice... spice is 'worm excrement.'
Nope, it’s water and chemicals cast off by the larval stage of the worm ( sand trout) reacted with the surrounding sand and dried in the sun after exploding upward. Not worm poop, more like worm placenta and amniotic fluid
Just found your channel, watched several videos and I am liking it so far. Can you do videos on The Expanse as well?
I haven't watched all the expanse but I would consider it
@@NerdCookies I hope you do, season 1 is a little slow, season 2 and on are great. One of the best science fiction shows out today.
The spice of immortality open doors of perception within the mystic alchemy of psychosis, the cocoon of metamorphosis spiritual transformative vision....
I would like the adaptation to be prequel so that we can get the full story like you say. I’m quite excited regardless. I’m a big fan as well
I was watchin Dune when I was like 7-8 yrs old lol thanks mom & dad for the hard drug lessons..
I imagine that if other alien life's ever discover humanity in the Dune universe and try to interact with them, the conversation regarding methods of FTL travel may go like this:
Alien 1: Using our knowledge in quantum engineering, we are able to bend space and time to shorten what could've been a long distance between destinations. You?
Alien 2: Oh, nothing. Just the good ol' advanced technology to accommodate it. You?
Alien 3: By combining our science with the arcane arts, we achieve the same thing, too. Anyone else?
*_Glances at one human sniffing on a line of Spice Melange about as long as a dining table_*
Human: ~If we eat the sun, will it taste spicy or not? 🤔🥴
Alien 1: _sighs_ Why do we even allowed them to aboard our ship?
According to Fremen prophecy, the chosen one is supposed to turn Arakkis into a paradise by bringing the water to the surface. By doing this there will be no more spice. The Fremen are addicted to spice. If spice withdraw is deadly, won't this kill all or most of the Fremen? Wouldn't this prophecy be unfavorable to the Fremen? I'm not a Dune lore expert so I might be mistaken with some of the facts.
The terraformation of Dune is slow and take thousands of years.
If the Fremen lived forever the terraformation and loss of Spice would kill them, but as the planet is terraformed the Spice quantities in the air, soil, water and food lessen so subsequent generations gradually grow less addicted to it. By the time the Spice production (almost) ceases the Spice addiction is basically non-existent.
The addiction is in a natural balance with the presence of the Spice and as the latter decrease the former does as well.
Great video I liked and subscribed!
The spice isn’t worm poop, it’s the worms themselves after they die and decompose.
so like dinosaurs and oil?
Seriously? Eww… That’s just rotten worm flesh. I was thought it’s like a mineral.
That's not correct, it is poop. It's the excretion of the larval form of the sandworms. No idea where you got that idea.
@@smallhatshatethetruth7933 that’s not where oil comes from
“Fossil fuel” is an inaccurate, slanderous term made up to push a narrative
@@Suncoast_Samurai yeah I don't doubt it, I read in a book there is actually a lot of oil in the Earth and the price fixing happens on purpose, much like what the Harkonens were doing with the Spice.
Me in my high school bathroom before a midterm “it is by Juul alone I set my mind in motion”
There is only one thing I never got my head around... when they destroyed their machines they took away their ability to travel through space within reasonable timeframes.
So how the fuck they ever got to Dune in the first place? And also - with no navigators around at that time nor the school of spacing guild even existing at that point....this is the whole birthflaw of an otherwise spectacular universe, not?
@@Jr-md8fg Thanks, mate for sorting that out to me. Do you have by chance any source on this? Something to read on? Thanks in advance :-)
You’d think with all the bio engineers in this universe that eventually space synthesis would be possible
*95 DUNE videos? I guess we know where your interests lie 😀. Love the videos!
*As of this writing.
Loved it #NerdCookies !!!
Spice in DUNE: Eyes become blue
Spice in our world: Eyes become red.😳
It doesn't even glow like their's, what a rip off!
'Do you spice?'
-Scanlan Shorthalt
That lofi intro just feels right.
The background music is dope. Who is the artist?
Duh.
It's in the description.
I'm having spice withdrawals.
I just splashed a little Old Spice on and sprayed a little on Eve's wrists.
I like the idea of a hypothetical creme-della-creme drug that's the is-all be-all drug you can use as a goto in a given conversation....with an awesome french name. Hollywood couldn't do better than K-22
Whenever my Dad and I eat anything with cinnamon, we like to pretend we're eating Spice Melange.
Tom brady?
The "duneiverse" I caught what you did there
What is Spice?
It's like cinnamon, in that instead of been stripped from bark, it is stripped from the MAKERS.
Just been to the Cinema 🎦 to See DUNE II is an Amazing Movie 🍿😎👍