My grandfather is a Korean War vet and served alongside Turkish forces. They have the same tradition with their knives as well, my grandpa learned this the hard way when he kept asking a Turkish soldier to see his Kris(the knife in question). The Turk drew his knife and cut my grandpa’s arm, leaving as scar that stayed with him. When he asked why, the Turk replied saying that the knife may only return to it’s sheath once blood is drawn.
I'm willing to bet Herbert was inspired a lot by Lawrence of Arabia, and the illusive and mysterious desert tribes of the Arabian Peninsula. In fact many tropes like the emphasis on "artillery", the disregard of the desert tribes as inconsequential by the massive powers and the outsider "going native" with the desert ppl reminded me of the 1962 epic.
I mean the whole novel is a fantastical take on real life. the imperium (opec) mining spice on Arrakis (drilling oil in the Middle East) because that resource is what drives economy, the rise of charismatic leaders and how they can corrupt etc.
Yeah I just read an article about this. How Lucas took this idea of dessert warriors but really fucked up by basically just making them inconvenient targets for shooting practice but now they say that the “book of boba fett” actually tries to humanize them and give them some due diligence.
You raise a very interesting point in that shield training actually disadvantaged imperial forces on Arrakis and helps explain the Fremen's rapid victory. Thanks it's always good to get your perspective.
See, that's what I thought would be the case, a shield trained fighter disadvantaged against a Fremen. Yet, Paul so outskilled Jamis during their duel that the Fremen witnessing the fight thought that Paul was playing with Jamis.
But when the Fremen go off world, wouldn’t they be ad the disadvantage? Everyone would have shields which require the controlled slow blade. Maybe Paul taught them this skill.
The Freman are Frank's greatest creation. A culture totally devoted to survival on a hostile planet. Noble but savage. Loyal to strength but ready to turn at the first sign of weakness. A mature society with a juvenile ignorance. Devoted to a dream but unprepared when it comes to fruition. I always find another nuance about them every time I read Dune.
Of all the science fiction warriors I think the Fremen are probably the most terrifying. The fact that they managed to create and maintain a global focus as to the what and how of what they want to accomplish and the absolute rigidity and inflexibility to do so makes them especially dangerous. The fact that they played into the 'dumb indigenous folks' until Muad'dib shows just how creative and strategically forward-thinking they were. The Emperor dun got played!
My vote would be on warriors from one of the greatest science fiction novels I've ever read: The Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. Brief description--Novel is about man's first contact with an alien species. This species is so old they reached the stage humanity is at (currently, in the story) 100000 years before. They've been around so long they've differentiated into genetically engineered different phenotypes with different abilities. They are also so war-prone that they've lost count of the nuclear wars their species has had, and of the number of times the species has had to claw itself back from the brink of extinction. In fact, their long range planning always includes setting aside enough knowledge and materials so that when the next suicidal war erupts there will be something for the survivors to try to rebuild with. It's not just planned for but expected. Inevitable. In the process of developing those specialized sub-types, of course one was specifically developed to excel at making war. They're simply called warriors and interestingly enough, they're not portrayed as huge and strong, but rather tall but impossibly skinny and can move so fast it's like watching flies flit from place to place. Fighting is more to them even than a religion. They exist only to fight and kill and in fact that's their genetic prerogative. In the book some humans go up against a few of them, humans in armored suits armed with powerful weapons. A group of warriors makes short work of them. One human observer noted that every time a warrior pulled the trigger on his weapon, something died. They also breed like rats, so that makes them particularly dangerous for humanity.
@@josephledux8598 what you didn't mention is what l seem to recall as the 'twist in the tale',in a further book by the same authors it's revealed that we are in fact the descendents of these alien 'Mote'es ',only we are the immature /child form, unable to develop into true adult hood due to some form of genetic drift. We are descended from a small group who left the original planet seeking to protect their offspring, an inbuilt drive that's so strong that it's this that has in fact sparked of all those past wars. A great series of books, though l only read the 2 for some reason (and some 30+years ago) .
The Fremen art you used is just amazing! Frank's influences by his early ecological nonfiction writing dealing with desertification on Oregon's coast really shows in his use of the Fremen's mastery of survival on Arrakis. I also enjoy the Zensunni backstory, it really gives the Fremen a layered depth like many of the other societies in the Dune saga.
Their technology was very interesting. They also used some kind of personal firearms like the maula pistol. Given that shields are not used on Arrakis it makes sense that the Fremin would have more interest in using them.
Another wonderfully thorough video with a thoroughgoing, mellifluously-read script. The Fremen really are a fascinating people/culture and the fact that they are is yet another testament to the breadth and depth of Herbert's research and understanding. In this respect, to read Dune is like reading a text on history and anthropology as you see parallels between Herbert's Fremen and many of the cultures that colonializing Europeans, especially the British, encountered finding themselves either fighting against indiginous peoples who knew the terrain better than they did and often achieved victories against technologically superior forces whose leaders were trained in fighting set-piece battles between large armies and weren't prepared for the hit-and-run tactics of guerilla warfare and raiding that the locals had practiced on one another for centuries. Of particular interest in this respect is how often European armies would, after initially fighting against native forces would make peace with them and hire them as mercenaries forming relationships that, in cases like that of the British Empire's relationship with the fierce Gurkhas of Nepal (famous for their use of the uniquely-shaped Khukri dagger-another Dune parallel) has gone on for more than two centuries and, in the case of the Gurkhas, persists to this day. In this respect, the Fremen parallel real historical tropes by being so well-adapted to fighting one another as is proven by Stilgar's initial reaction to finding Paul and Lady Jessica (basically, "kill the strangers and take their water."), that all they really needed to match or overmatch the Sardaukar was a playing field leveled by the Imperial force's inability to use shields and air-power. The Fremen's providing the Atreides familiy with a ready-made army of soldiers even tougher than the ruthless Sardaukar really is a testament to Herbert's understanding of history and culture. Observations/questions: I love the line, "where they found freedom but at great cost." It is interesting to note how easy it is to think of the Fremen as "primative" people but they do have a lot of technology-much of it based on spice chemistry. Something which you address when you mention the stillsuit. You note that a Krysnife (sp) is "Twenty centimeters long." Twenty centimeters is only eight inches which is about the length of my hand from the base of my palm to the tip of my longest finger. I can only assume you mean the length of the blade itself and not the total length of the weapon including the handle. It is often amazing to see how little "magical" technology Herbert uses in Dune to produce distinct plot elements like ornithopters that could only work where antigravity technology was cheap and commonplace, and "shigawire" which, under other names (e.g., Sinclair molecule chain, etc.) have been a part of science fiction for decades. Of the really "out there" magical technologies, none is more pivotal to the story than the Holtzmann field effect which Herbert uses to make anything but speciailzed firearms technoogies (both projectile *and* energy) impossible to use, even as it recreated and transformed the use of melee weapons, necessitating a technique of knife fighting that was fast on attack and defense but with a final slowed motion to penetrate the Holtzmann shield's inertia-dampening effect to strike at an opponent. Like so many other of Herbert's ideas, this one survives him and has even been used in the Television Series, "Stargate SG-1." Great video as always. Thanks for that.
@@AaronRohan I gave your response a thumbs up not because I agree with your assertion that my detailed references are wrong making what I wrote, as you noted, "nonsense" but because by writing it, you entertained me. You brought a smile to my face and almost made me laugh. It's a matter of *tone*. Let me help you a little. When writing an attempt at refuting a point as you do here, it is good to assume a tone not of overwhelming authority ("what you said is honestly nonsense") but one of inquiry. Instead of trying to slap down someone who might possess education qualifications, experience, or credentials of which you are unaware. Using that tone gives you a way out in the argument in the event that what you say is the result of (mild) misunderstanding or misreading of the opinion you against which you argue. Someone of a far less charitable turn of mind than mine might speculate that you were a Dunning-Kruger effect victim when you loudly proclaim that Dune contains themes derived from Middle Eastern (note caps) history and culture and that your assertion that your target did not see it could only have been made as the result of some mental defect that forced you to think that anyone of normal intelligence could read a novel that had words and phrases like "Kull Wahad," and "Bashar" and names like, "Feyd-Rautha," in it and not recognize the Middle Eastern themes. Someone nastier than myself would ask, "what is *wrong* with you? In any event, as someone who has visited the Arms and Armor section of New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art, and who owned a copy of the marvelous book, "Weapons" by the diagram group, I don't think I can call myself completely ignorant on the subject of military cutlery. Given my personal attention to the design and metallurgy of edged weapons including the lasting fascination with ones made of Damascus Steel with it's fascinating cutting ability, I wouldn't arrogantly call myself an expert, but I can certainly say that I know enough not to be considered ignorant-not even when it comes to the broad-bladed, curved daggers with rhino-horn grips traditionally prized and wielded by Berbers. In any event, when arguing a point against someone's points in future, I think it will behoove you to tread more lightly and to be specific in laying out your disagreements. It could lead to discussion that can be much more satisfying than sniping at someone who laughs at you in return, and, might lead to an intelligent discussion where you could reveal what you know and depth and learn all sorts of things that might be new to you, like the story of how the person you were talking to once talked with an antiques dealer who told him of how one of his pieces had ended up causing him deep regret when he saw the Damascus steel dagger he had sold to a Russian metallurgist had ended up in a textbook, sawed into pieces for the examination of its internal structure. Thanks for providing me with an Arabic word for dagger. Good to see that you did some kind of research before you wrote. Have a great day.
Which means that they at least implicitly counted on the possibility that Paul would happen...Though the planted prophecy is also vague enough to include just any Bene Gesserit amd her son. Likely, it would also have included Jessica's daughter and her son,, as Jessica's daughter most likely would also have become a Bene Gesserit in her time.
@@christianealshut1123 They spread the Missionaria Protectiva across every primitive world the Empire touches. It's not targeted and is mostly to allow the Bene Gesserit to manipulate populations, not to facilitate the Kwisatz Haderach specifically.
@@BigMikeMcBastard But they did plant that partticular prophecy on that particular planet, did they not? Or did they plant the prophecy of the Mahdi whose mother would be a Bene Gesserit n other worlds too? I always assumed that particular one was just for Arrakis... (Well unless they assumed the daughter of Jessica, the one they intended to marry Feyd Rautha Harkonnen, would be a Bene Gesserit also - not very far fetched as pretty much every woman in the Empire or at least among the nobility was at least trained by them - and would then strand on Arrakis in a similar way.) Or was the legend of the Mahdi among the Fremen unrelated to that of the Kwisatz Haderach?
I like the Fremen, but I always got the impression that they were a subtle warning to the audience - be careful what you wish for. The Fremen got their wish - Arrakis was turned into a lush Paradise, where none were wanting for food or water or safety. And it destroyed them.
It sounds like our own species. Humans rose from the forge of nature as the dominant ones because of our ancestors' adaptability to challenging conditions. With the onset of the industrial and digital ages, *look at us!, we've grown* _soft!_
Hard times create hard men Hard men create good times Good times create Weak men Weak men create hard times This is the inevitable cycle of civilization
I mean, yeah, "be careful what you wish for" is kinda the central overarching theme of the whole book series. Especially with regard to heroic, charismatic leaders, but in other aspects, too.
Such a breakthrough video! Rewatching this I can see how you are heading for a Subscription breakthrough.... The study of the Beduin is very insightful when thinking about the Fremen.
The Fremen and the Sandworms gave a mythic center to the series. The effectiveness of the Fremenas warriors has rung true and proven to be more than a myth as we have seen parallels in our world.
Conquest by barbarians has been a common fate of many a stagnant empire in history, once the empire stagnates its inside grows soft and so loses its strength Frank Herbert knew that and created a story around a future evolution of this mechanism as it happend in Rom, China, Persian etc.......The only reason its not well known is because our recent history of the last oh 500 years or so has been one in which multiple empires grew concurrently and both cooperated and co-ordinated thus they could never afford to stagnate or they would lose out to their compeition (see Spain)
@@eliasziad7864 There are influences but not all Arab. Frank Herberts first published story (written under a secret pen name) was a short story western written for one of those serial magazines of that era. His only non-science fiction book was written based on Native American mythology
Thank you, again for the video! Would a closer look at the Fedaykin, be something you might consider. I don't think they're even directly referenced in 84's Dune, but it has many years and I am old. The memory is sometime playful to amuse others and keep us on our toes ;) Thank you, again. I have greatly enjoyed this series and eagerly await the coming of the whirlwind. Long live the fighters!
Excellent vid again, TY 😎 As the most independent force in the Dune Universe, the Fremen ,(which I always mentally read as Freelance Men) I always found it ironic that they are also the LEAST independent too..their tribal culture, Atrrakis climate and the BG subversion of their religion binds their fate even harder than that of the Atreides. And there is always more to discover in this extreme and contradictory ( also incredibly fascinating) people 🙂
Good video. I love everything about Dune but when it comes to Fremen, I have a love-hate relationship with them. I am fascinated by them but I would not want these fanatics to be in government or governing the known universe/unleash the jihad. Even those that realize that they are much the product of what came before and the Missionaria Protectiva, are still die hard zealots who believe themselves to be superior to anyone else. To some extent, they do have a point. They have survived the harsh conditions of Arrakis in ways others could not. But that is not mystical. That is simply the principle of adaptation through various generations. Nonetheless, their endurance, devotion to their culture is quite admirable. Of them, Chani remains my favorite Fremen.
It's a well-known fact that those wo initiated or spearheaded a revolution are not always the best to govern what they have created through said revolution - i.e. revolutionaries often make bad politicians.
Maybe I’m tripping buuuut… I think adapting to then overcoming the most hostile environment in the known universe is a flex worthy of being fanatical about… Plus they had all the knowledge and power to take down a 1000s of years old empire lickity split because of that fanatical flex.
Very good videos about Dune. Thanks to them i almost dont have to read the book. Your voice is so calm it even helps calm my nerves and slip into the universe of Dune. Liked, subscribed and notified. 😅🌹🌹🌹
Thank you for a very well-made podcast and these mysterious people. I also hear the echoes of TE Lawrence is the seven pillars of wisdom in doing novels. Both the real life Lawrence in the fictional PaulWere ultimately destroyed by their interaction with their respective native peoples.
Check out Frank Herbert's short story called Operation Haystack. Originally published in the 50's it predates Dune, but in it contains quite a few ideas which are contained in Dune. The first few minutes gives the cresh which resembles the Axolotal tank. Farther along there's a mention of people who are perennial refugees, something the Fremen are before landing on Dune. Haystack is available as an audio book here on TH-cam.
Your voice is cute and calming, perfect for retaining the vid's info, keep up the good work. I'm looking fwd to the movie, if the sorld is less FUBAR when it comes out I may see it in the theater, otherwise I'll buy it on DVD.
Love Dune, never loved the Fremen. I need to re-read it to see why the jihad couldn't have been prevented. I remember that Paul took over and had the only access to spice, but I never understood how the Fremen could cause the devastation across the galaxy like they did
In a whispering voice as it expresses asking and answering at the same consciousness level one thought blossoms the new one saying; What is this occurring within me? Its alive within all things life itself! Yes, Yes! it must be the spice!
Partly. It's a surreal universe and the religion is blended. I liked the use of Jihad but zen is mentioned, Buddhislam and sutras, so it's a mixed blend.
If Dumb and Dumber had did to this material, what they did to GoT. I have a strong feeling law enforcement would find them both strung up strangling in the breeze lol. And I would not shed a single tear 😉
Its many years since I read Dune, I may be wrong but did Humanity ever discover FTL travel? If not and the Guild Navigators are the only means of interstellar travel using Spice, how did the Fremen ever get to Arrakis to discover the Spice and Sandworms in the first place? Like I said its been many years and it is a BIG book!
Thank you for pointing out that the Fremen are based on the (ancient) indigenous cultures of Earth. I’ve speculated the connection between the Fremen and the predynastic Nile valley cultures during the early stages of desertification throughout Africa… Looks like I’m not as crazy as I think lmao
Another fascinating video. It reminds me of some questions I had while reading the series the first time many years ago. 1.) Why don't newborns have blue within blue eyes? Mothers are saturated with spice so babies should be born with an equal saturation or addiction. 2.) The ending of David Lynch's Dune always bothered me; the rain fall Muad'dib summoned would be lethal to the Sand worms, so why do it? The Fremen would never allow the worms to be harmed and would have defended their lives to the last of their own. That's just two questions, but I have a few more. Thanks again for an informative, well researched, and crafted video. All the best.
@@TrueBagPipeRock I agree, it's interesting and if the mother's organism is saturated with spice, shouldn't every Fremen baby then by a preborn, the way Leto and Ghanima were? Or was it just the quantities that Chani had to consume to maintain her pregnancy, of the interaction with the contraceptives that Irulan had been feeind her and which Chani still had in her system, which then chemically interacted with the spice?
Given that spice has no analogue in reality, we can only assume spice doesn't cross over into fetal circulation. Can't enter the placenta, who knows. It's not really a big deal though. The placenta screens a lot of stuff out (drugs and such).
@@BigMikeMcBastard Good explanation, but if that's how it works, then shouldn't the Bene Gesserit have developed a failsafe to prevent pre-born children in case one their own takes the water of life? They have achieved supreme mastery over their bodies, so shouldn't this be one of the things they brought under control? They are powerful enough to transmute a poison entering their bodies at the molecular level, for crying out loud, then something like this should be simple...It should be easy either to keep the poison from going through the placenta But another explanation is that this issue is not handled consistently - in the first book, Jessica takes the water of life (the bile of a dying baby sandworm) and it makes her a Reverend Mother, and gives her the memories of all the Reverend Mothers before her (along the line of Ramallo, I assume), and similarly Alia is born already a full Reverend Mother. In Messiah, Chani eats spice as a finished product as part of her fertility diet to counteract the effects of the contraceptive Irulan has fed her, and it turns Leto and Ghanima into pre-borns with the memories of their ancestors (and Alia is now retconned into having ancestral memories rather than just those of the Reverend Mothers in her line). But we do not hear anything about this spice turning Chani into a Reverend Mother (OK, she could not transmute the stuff).
Given that when Jessica drank the WoL, Alia was given full awareness while in the womb, so I'm sure there must be an effect on the unborn babies of mothers saturated w Spice.
10191 AG Ever wonder what AG means? A simple Google search yields this result: A.G. is an acronym for After Guild. It refers to the time when the Spacing Guild established a monopoly on all space travel, transport, and Imperial banking throughout the known universe in the year 0/11,075 A.D.
I really enjoyed your video however I have a question why Have you suggested that they are similar to Sunni and not Shia? I personally would feel that due to the acceptance of more spiritual ideologies they have parallels with Buddhism is Shia would be a better fit.
Well its both really. The lore of the fremen establishes that their religion is based largely on the Sunni branch of Islam, with Zen-Buddhist influences.
I am not entirely sure, but isn't it that the Sunni branch is the more moderate branch of Islam as compared with Shia? Could Frank Herbert have felt uncomfortable about Shia for that reason? Just a thought of mine...
Not only Zensunni but Sufi. Jessica stream of thought tells us that, her training reveals what kind of prophecies the Missionaria Protectiva has fed this planet so she can save both their lives.
can't wait for the new film, it's looking good. gives me flashbacks of being in school and the other kids talking star wars, while i was reading the dune books and watched the movie. then a friend raised an interesting point of thought..... if a freman warrior were to meet a jedi knight/ sith lord in combat.... who would win?? of course a basic freman warrior vs ether would lose simply due to range control from the force user. but then i remembered that in the books and movies. Paul taught them the weirding ways. to use sound as a weapon.... and the fact freman are very adept and adaptive warriors.... so i couldn't say who would win in a fight between them.... but the freman are a warrior race long and short. they know how to strike hard and fast without telegraphing their intent.... i'm sure if they had the weirding way, they'd just kill with a whisper before the jedi or sith could draw a weapon in defense
I've only seen the movie and have not read any books so this question may have been answered, but why melee?? The only reason why guns don't work is bc shields exist, so why isn't ranged combat prefered on Arakis where people can't use shields?
The Fremen of Arrakis are in fact Zen-Sunni, but they're also peoples from the Hindu religion. Then Zen-Sunni is despised by the majority of the Arabic culture, also so is the Hindu sects in the Dune series. They're rounded up and used as domestic slaves in much of the Dune series. They're also used as harvested eyes and whatever is necessary by the Bene Tleilax.
😂😂😬 oooooff! Hadn’t thought of that at all, but considering how they live on a hot desert planet, wear HEAVY ass clothes that cover like 90%+ of their body and it’s thick enough to catch like 99% of ALL their sweat & urine and any other moisture their body gives off and filters it back into their body…. yea they probably do smell like fucking ass!
6:00 ....The OPPOSITE of dancing ...is there a game a DJ could play with dancers such as announcing sandworms coming, halt the rhythm and walk around swiing the sand one leg at a time with no attention to any rhythm...then go back and say WE MADE IT TO THE ROCK and transistion the music accordingly?
@@-VOR so not the Bedouins inhabiting desert climates (coincidently the same climate as the fremen) but for sure based of off Cossacks? Also the insane amount of Arabic Islamic concepts mixed into this fiction would support the idea that it was mostly based of off a desert culture (Bedouins, Berber) but you sir believe it is based on the Cossack?
@@Syllaeus I did say mostly.. did i not? Obviously you don't know shit about cossacks. Fremen fighting styles, knives, tactics and even what they call their homes arent inspired by cossacks?
interesting. one thing is how did the Fremen develop the technology to manufacture Stillsuits on a massive level? how could they keep secret from people with satellite and drone technology? given Islam has seemed to be resistant to becoming a heterodox faith the idea of worshipping a creature (worm) as a deity is quite a leap back to pantheism! also tribes from the Eurasian steppe lived a hard existence but were and still are dependent on civilized societies for things like pot and pans, cloth, medicines, ect. no matter how fierce the Mongols might be they are no match for modern weapons like automatic rifles, tanks and aircraft.
Im hoping the Dune 2021 isn't as ridiculously complicated as the books. Unfortunately the books are ridiculously complicated and the reason for that is some authors like to take simple concepts and muck it up with goofy jargon and goofy concepts to make the reader believe they are reading something epic. When in reality its completely unnecessary. Like the Lord of The Rings novels. Just tell a story with interesting characters. It seems to be a lost art. The reason Star Wars works is because its a simple story yet the characters shine through. Unfortunately that's not the case with Dune. So much attention is paid to details that the characters seem like cardboard cutouts of more interesting characters. The most famous stories ever written follow that simple yet elusive concept.
@@paulcooper8818 no, im 44 years old. I read Dune when i was a teen. The books are still ridiculously overwritten. You may like that sort of writing but i don't give it much credence. When you compare the story of Paul to Luke Skywalker or Jon Snow or Dr. Frankenstein or any other hero. Paul is bland.
@@anthonywarren9885 I don't think Paul meant to be a hero nor his son does but Paul just a tragic figure that wanted revenge for his father and his blood lust that brought his own downfall and decline to the Imperium. And Leto II are forced to become evil in order to save humanity from extinction since he know mankind are not ready for the horror beyond the known universe and the Robots are actually still active and wanted revenge against mankind, and the Golden Path make sure humanity will survive and scattered like ants all over the large universe so nothing can harm them. I think both character are meant to be a deconstruction of heroic figure and messianic rulers.
I just got my coffee, I’m sitting down, and now I’m ready
Hope to see you on the next live stream Mr 3PO,whenever that will be.
Nice to see you here!
The original Sand People
The author served in North Africa during ww2 from what I read. It is likely this is the basis for his Fremen.
My grandfather is a Korean War vet and served alongside Turkish forces. They have the same tradition with their knives as well, my grandpa learned this the hard way when he kept asking a Turkish soldier to see his Kris(the knife in question). The Turk drew his knife and cut my grandpa’s arm, leaving as scar that stayed with him. When he asked why, the Turk replied saying that the knife may only return to it’s sheath once blood is drawn.
I'm willing to bet Herbert was inspired a lot by Lawrence of Arabia, and the illusive and mysterious desert tribes of the Arabian Peninsula. In fact many tropes like the emphasis on "artillery", the disregard of the desert tribes as inconsequential by the massive powers and the outsider "going native" with the desert ppl reminded me of the 1962 epic.
This thought has also crossed my mind. I read Lawrence’s Seven Pillars of Wisdom awhile back. So many similarities.
Look up The Fremen Alphabet. It’s clearly derived from Arabic Language!
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I mean the whole novel is a fantastical take on real life. the imperium (opec) mining spice on Arrakis (drilling oil in the Middle East) because that resource is what drives economy, the rise of charismatic leaders and how they can corrupt etc.
@@TheAmpharosFreak I think CHOAM is meant to be OPEC, but otherwise yes
I can't believe it took me this long to figure out that the Sand People in Star Wars are probably based directly on the Fremen.
Yeah I just read an article about this. How Lucas took this idea of dessert warriors but really fucked up by basically just making them inconvenient targets for shooting practice but now they say that the “book of boba fett” actually tries to humanize them and give them some due diligence.
@@lovelylovelylauren Dessert warriors? Are we talking ice cream? Pies? Maybe a nice crème brûlée? Probably not ice cream because… Arrakis.
@@JohnSmith-ls3um Spice Ice cream let's goo🤣
@@JohnSmith-ls3um you ever fought over the last slice of cake? Dessert warriors.
You raise a very interesting point in that shield training actually disadvantaged imperial forces on Arrakis and helps explain the Fremen's rapid victory. Thanks it's always good to get your perspective.
See, that's what I thought would be the case, a shield trained fighter disadvantaged against a Fremen. Yet, Paul so outskilled Jamis during their duel that the Fremen witnessing the fight thought that Paul was playing with Jamis.
But when the Fremen go off world, wouldn’t they be ad the disadvantage? Everyone would have shields which require the controlled slow blade. Maybe Paul taught them this skill.
The Freman are Frank's greatest creation. A culture totally devoted to survival on a hostile planet. Noble but savage. Loyal to strength but ready to turn at the first sign of weakness. A mature society with a juvenile ignorance. Devoted to a dream but unprepared when it comes to fruition. I always find another nuance about them every time I read Dune.
Of all the science fiction warriors I think the Fremen are probably the most terrifying. The fact that they managed to create and maintain a global focus as to the what and how of what they want to accomplish and the absolute rigidity and inflexibility to do so makes them especially dangerous. The fact that they played into the 'dumb indigenous folks' until Muad'dib shows just how creative and strategically forward-thinking they were. The Emperor dun got played!
Same cunning and discipline as the _Rule of Two._ Like the Sith, Fremen layed low until the moment was perfect.
@@runswithphantoms it is as if Dune inspired many many other fiction operas, isn't it? :)
Saiyans! enough said.
My vote would be on warriors from one of the greatest science fiction novels I've ever read: The Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. Brief description--Novel is about man's first contact with an alien species. This species is so old they reached the stage humanity is at (currently, in the story) 100000 years before. They've been around so long they've differentiated into genetically engineered different phenotypes with different abilities. They are also so war-prone that they've lost count of the nuclear wars their species has had, and of the number of times the species has had to claw itself back from the brink of extinction. In fact, their long range planning always includes setting aside enough knowledge and materials so that when the next suicidal war erupts there will be something for the survivors to try to rebuild with. It's not just planned for but expected. Inevitable. In the process of developing those specialized sub-types, of course one was specifically developed to excel at making war. They're simply called warriors and interestingly enough, they're not portrayed as huge and strong, but rather tall but impossibly skinny and can move so fast it's like watching flies flit from place to place. Fighting is more to them even than a religion. They exist only to fight and kill and in fact that's their genetic prerogative. In the book some humans go up against a few of them, humans in armored suits armed with powerful weapons. A group of warriors makes short work of them. One human observer noted that every time a warrior pulled the trigger on his weapon, something died. They also breed like rats, so that makes them particularly dangerous for humanity.
@@josephledux8598 what you didn't mention is what l seem to recall as the 'twist in the tale',in a further book by the same authors it's revealed that we are in fact the descendents of these alien 'Mote'es ',only we are the immature /child form, unable to develop into true adult hood due to some form of genetic drift. We are descended from a small group who left the original planet seeking to protect their offspring, an inbuilt drive that's so strong that it's this that has in fact sparked of all those past wars. A great series of books, though l only read the 2 for some reason (and some 30+years ago) .
From arabic
Muad'Dib: He who educates.
Usul: Tradition/Custom
Yahya al Shuhada: Long live the fighters/martyrs
Yahya is John in Arabic
The Fremen art you used is just amazing! Frank's influences by his early ecological nonfiction writing dealing with desertification on Oregon's coast really shows in his use of the Fremen's mastery of survival on Arrakis. I also enjoy the Zensunni backstory, it really gives the Fremen a layered depth like many of the other societies in the Dune saga.
Their technology was very interesting. They also used some kind of personal firearms like the maula pistol. Given that shields are not used on Arrakis it makes sense that the Fremin would have more interest in using them.
Cup of tea, and Elaine the oricle from House Cookies, audio book reading with chill out music, heaven😂😂
Another wonderfully thorough video with a thoroughgoing, mellifluously-read script.
The Fremen really are a fascinating people/culture and the fact that they are is yet another testament to the breadth and depth of Herbert's research and understanding. In this respect, to read Dune is like reading a text on history and anthropology as you see parallels between Herbert's Fremen and many of the cultures that colonializing Europeans, especially the British, encountered finding themselves either fighting against indiginous peoples who knew the terrain better than they did and often achieved victories against technologically superior forces whose leaders were trained in fighting set-piece battles between large armies and weren't prepared for the hit-and-run tactics of guerilla warfare and raiding that the locals had practiced on one another for centuries.
Of particular interest in this respect is how often European armies would, after initially fighting against native forces would make peace with them and hire them as mercenaries forming relationships that, in cases like that of the British Empire's relationship with the fierce Gurkhas of Nepal (famous for their use of the uniquely-shaped Khukri dagger-another Dune parallel) has gone on for more than two centuries and, in the case of the Gurkhas, persists to this day.
In this respect, the Fremen parallel real historical tropes by being so well-adapted to fighting one another as is proven by Stilgar's initial reaction to finding Paul and Lady Jessica (basically, "kill the strangers and take their water."), that all they really needed to match or overmatch the Sardaukar was a playing field leveled by the Imperial force's inability to use shields and air-power. The Fremen's providing the Atreides familiy with a ready-made army of soldiers even tougher than the ruthless Sardaukar really is a testament to Herbert's understanding of history and culture.
Observations/questions:
I love the line, "where they found freedom but at great cost."
It is interesting to note how easy it is to think of the Fremen as "primative" people but they do have a lot of technology-much of it based on spice chemistry. Something which you address when you mention the stillsuit.
You note that a Krysnife (sp) is "Twenty centimeters long." Twenty centimeters is only eight inches which is about the length of my hand from the base of my palm to the tip of my longest finger. I can only assume you mean the length of the blade itself and not the total length of the weapon including the handle.
It is often amazing to see how little "magical" technology Herbert uses in Dune to produce distinct plot elements like ornithopters that could only work where antigravity technology was cheap and commonplace, and "shigawire" which, under other names (e.g., Sinclair molecule chain, etc.) have been a part of science fiction for decades. Of the really "out there" magical technologies, none is more pivotal to the story than the Holtzmann field effect which Herbert uses to make anything but speciailzed firearms technoogies (both projectile *and* energy) impossible to use, even as it recreated and transformed the use of melee weapons, necessitating a technique of knife fighting that was fast on attack and defense but with a final slowed motion to penetrate the Holtzmann shield's inertia-dampening effect to strike at an opponent.
Like so many other of Herbert's ideas, this one survives him and has even been used in the Television Series, "Stargate SG-1."
Great video as always.
Thanks for that.
Thanks for the history references
@@AaronRohan
I gave your response a thumbs up not because I agree with your assertion that my detailed references are wrong making what I wrote, as you noted, "nonsense" but because by writing it, you entertained me. You brought a smile to my face and almost made me laugh.
It's a matter of *tone*.
Let me help you a little.
When writing an attempt at refuting a point as you do here, it is good to assume a tone not of overwhelming authority ("what you said is honestly nonsense") but one of inquiry. Instead of trying to slap down someone who might possess education qualifications, experience, or credentials of which you are unaware. Using that tone gives you a way out in the argument in the event that what you say is the result of (mild) misunderstanding or misreading of the opinion you against which you argue.
Someone of a far less charitable turn of mind than mine might speculate that you were a Dunning-Kruger effect victim when you loudly proclaim that Dune contains themes derived from Middle Eastern (note caps) history and culture and that your assertion that your target did not see it could only have been made as the result of some mental defect that forced you to think that anyone of normal intelligence could read a novel that had words and phrases like "Kull Wahad," and "Bashar" and names like, "Feyd-Rautha," in it and not recognize the Middle Eastern themes.
Someone nastier than myself would ask, "what is *wrong* with you?
In any event, as someone who has visited the Arms and Armor section of New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art, and who owned a copy of the marvelous book, "Weapons" by the diagram group, I don't think I can call myself completely ignorant on the subject of military cutlery. Given my personal attention to the design and metallurgy of edged weapons including the lasting fascination with ones made of Damascus Steel with it's fascinating cutting ability, I wouldn't arrogantly call myself an expert, but I can certainly say that I know enough not to be considered ignorant-not even when it comes to the broad-bladed, curved daggers with rhino-horn grips traditionally prized and wielded by Berbers.
In any event, when arguing a point against someone's points in future, I think it will behoove you to tread more lightly and to be specific in laying out your disagreements. It could lead to discussion that can be much more satisfying than sniping at someone who laughs at you in return, and, might lead to an intelligent discussion where you could reveal what you know and depth and learn all sorts of things that might be new to you, like the story of how the person you were talking to once talked with an antiques dealer who told him of how one of his pieces had ended up causing him deep regret when he saw the Damascus steel dagger he had sold to a Russian metallurgist had ended up in a textbook, sawed into pieces for the examination of its internal structure.
Thanks for providing me with an Arabic word for dagger. Good to see that you did some kind of research before you wrote.
Have a great day.
The Bene-geserit also planted the Maud-dib prophecy into the Fremen as a way to control them.
Which means that they at least implicitly counted on the possibility that Paul would happen...Though the planted prophecy is also vague enough to include just any Bene Gesserit amd her son. Likely, it would also have included Jessica's daughter and her son,, as Jessica's daughter most likely would also have become a Bene Gesserit in her time.
@@christianealshut1123 I believe the book states that they put the prophecy there to protect any BG visiting the planet.
@@christianealshut1123 They spread the Missionaria Protectiva across every primitive world the Empire touches. It's not targeted and is mostly to allow the Bene Gesserit to manipulate populations, not to facilitate the Kwisatz Haderach specifically.
@@BigMikeMcBastard But they did plant that partticular prophecy on that particular planet, did they not? Or did they plant the prophecy of the Mahdi whose mother would be a Bene Gesserit n other worlds too? I always assumed that particular one was just for Arrakis... (Well unless they assumed the daughter of Jessica, the one they intended to marry Feyd Rautha Harkonnen, would be a Bene Gesserit also - not very far fetched as pretty much every woman in the Empire or at least among the nobility was at least trained by them - and would then strand on Arrakis in a similar way.) Or was the legend of the Mahdi among the Fremen unrelated to that of the Kwisatz Haderach?
Im locked up in hospital after having 2 surgies, to wake and find a "Nerk Cookies" freshly baked video......JOY!
I like the Fremen, but I always got the impression that they were a subtle warning to the audience - be careful what you wish for. The Fremen got their wish - Arrakis was turned into a lush Paradise, where none were wanting for food or water or safety.
And it destroyed them.
It sounds like our own species. Humans rose from the forge of nature as the dominant ones because of our ancestors' adaptability to challenging conditions. With the onset of the industrial and digital ages, *look at us!, we've grown* _soft!_
That's why the scarcity wars and space age are such looming eventualities. We will be challenged twice more. And re-earn our status.
@@runswithphantoms Not just soft. Water-fat.
Hard times create hard men
Hard men create good times
Good times create Weak men
Weak men create hard times
This is the inevitable cycle of civilization
I mean, yeah, "be careful what you wish for" is kinda the central overarching theme of the whole book series.
Especially with regard to heroic, charismatic leaders, but in other aspects, too.
The amount of world-building in the Dune series is incredible. Really makes it so immersive.
Such a breakthrough video!
Rewatching this I can see how you are heading for a Subscription breakthrough....
The study of the Beduin is very insightful when thinking about the Fremen.
The Fremen and the Sandworms gave a mythic center to the series. The effectiveness of the Fremenas warriors has rung true and proven to be more than a myth as we have seen parallels in our world.
Conquest by barbarians has been a common fate of many a stagnant empire in history, once the empire stagnates its inside grows soft and so loses its strength Frank Herbert knew that and created a story around a future evolution of this mechanism as it happend in Rom, China, Persian etc.......The only reason its not well known is because our recent history of the last oh 500 years or so has been one in which multiple empires grew concurrently and both cooperated and co-ordinated thus they could never afford to stagnate or they would lose out to their compeition (see Spain)
Fremenis
@@eliasziad7864 Sorry for my typos I am human and my fingers are big.
@@marknovak6498 No, it is just like saying Yemen or Yemenis and whoever wrote Dune was influenced by Arab culture.
@@eliasziad7864 There are influences but not all Arab. Frank Herberts first published story (written under a secret pen name) was a short story western written for one of those serial magazines of that era. His only non-science fiction book was written based on Native American mythology
This girl narrates me to stillness, I love this channel.
Hawat: They are _Sardaukar_
Fremen: _Good_
Always thought that the canyon fight was one of the coolest introductions to fremen guerilla warfare.
I like the Sardaukar,than the fremen,only my opinion.
Thank you, again for the video!
Would a closer look at the Fedaykin, be something you might consider. I don't think they're even directly referenced in 84's Dune, but it has many years and I am old. The memory is sometime playful to amuse others and keep us on our toes ;)
Thank you, again. I have greatly enjoyed this series and eagerly await the coming of the whirlwind. Long live the fighters!
Excellent vid again, TY 😎
As the most independent force in the Dune Universe, the Fremen ,(which I always mentally read as Freelance Men) I always found it ironic that they are also the LEAST independent too..their tribal culture, Atrrakis climate and the BG subversion of their religion binds their fate even harder than that of the Atreides. And there is always more to discover in this extreme and contradictory ( also incredibly fascinating) people 🙂
I’m home sick today, and this is THE PERFECT rabbit hole to fall into, thank you thank you thank you 💕💜💕
I think your channel is gonna get a lot more traffic with this movie
Good video. I love everything about Dune but when it comes to Fremen, I have a love-hate relationship with them. I am fascinated by them but I would not want these fanatics to be in government or governing the known universe/unleash the jihad. Even those that realize that they are much the product of what came before and the Missionaria Protectiva, are still die hard zealots who believe themselves to be superior to anyone else. To some extent, they do have a point. They have survived the harsh conditions of Arrakis in ways others could not. But that is not mystical. That is simply the principle of adaptation through various generations. Nonetheless, their endurance, devotion to their culture is quite admirable. Of them, Chani remains my favorite Fremen.
It's a well-known fact that those wo initiated or spearheaded a revolution are not always the best to govern what they have created through said revolution - i.e. revolutionaries often make bad politicians.
Maybe I’m tripping buuuut… I think adapting to then overcoming the most hostile environment in the known universe is a flex worthy of being fanatical about… Plus they had all the knowledge and power to take down a 1000s of years old empire lickity split because of that fanatical flex.
Very good videos about Dune. Thanks to them i almost dont have to read the book. Your voice is so calm it even helps calm my nerves and slip into the universe of Dune. Liked, subscribed and notified. 😅🌹🌹🌹
Artist render Fremen with light blue to glowing eyes when their eyes are dark blue to appear black orbs solid one shade.
The last picture of them on the mountain watching the sandworm I absolutely love!
Thank you for a very well-made podcast and these mysterious people. I also hear the echoes of TE Lawrence is the seven pillars of wisdom in doing novels. Both the real life Lawrence in the fictional PaulWere ultimately destroyed by their interaction with their respective native peoples.
I love the Dune videos you make Elaine, keep up the great work!
Well told and good research. Please do more!
I Am so glad i found your Site, Your Overviews of Dune is One of the Best i've ever seen and Heard. Keep Up the Good Work!!
Perfect morning, thanks!
Great choice of music on all your vids! They complement your beautiful voice incredibly well!
Thank you!
1:41 wish the stillsuits in the new dune movie looked like this.
Check out Frank Herbert's short story called Operation Haystack.
Originally published in the 50's it predates Dune, but in it contains quite a few ideas which are contained in Dune.
The first few minutes gives the cresh which resembles the Axolotal tank.
Farther along there's a mention of people who are perennial refugees, something the Fremen are before landing on Dune.
Haystack is available as an audio book here on TH-cam.
Your voice is cute and calming, perfect for retaining the vid's info, keep up the good work. I'm looking fwd to the movie, if the sorld is less FUBAR when it comes out I may see it in the theater, otherwise I'll buy it on DVD.
Glad I found this channel, now I can watch and learn everything about dune THANK YOU!!
Fun Fact: Frank Herbert also studied Navajo and other native American tribes to make the Fremen, not just Islamic and Middle Eastern people.
I have a kindred spirit with the fremen(free men), unfortunately they a tool for Paul’s revenge and pay a deep price. Great video as always...🖖🏽
Please before Paul father who running planet before? They wanted killed House Harkean too.
Loving this channel a nice discovery
Thanks!
@@NerdCookies your welcome 👍😎
“My lord, I suspect an incredible secret has been kept on this planet: the Fremen exist in vast numbers...vast. And it is they who control Arrakis.”
Love Dune, never loved the Fremen. I need to re-read it to see why the jihad couldn't have been prevented. I remember that Paul took over and had the only access to spice, but I never understood how the Fremen could cause the devastation across the galaxy like they did
Exactly! I am trying to figure that out myself. They couldn't even beat the Harkonnens how would they sweep across the galaxy?
In a whispering voice as it expresses asking and answering at the same consciousness level one thought blossoms the new one saying;
What is this occurring within me? Its alive within all things life itself!
Yes, Yes! it must be the spice!
The sand people walk in single file to hide their worm sign.
My mother knows Brain Herbert. They belonged to the same writers group.
I love, yes...love your channel. Your voice is soothing, your content is fascinating, and the background music set a chill ambiance. Subbed!
Thank you!!!
Was the outdoor Muslim? The Freeman desert live is the most interesting part on this novels...
Thanks for another of your Calming Exciting video
Partly. It's a surreal universe and the religion is blended. I liked the use of Jihad but zen is mentioned, Buddhislam and sutras, so it's a mixed blend.
Fremen are based on the amazigh. Amazigh means free men, and are native to North Africa. They live also in the Sahara
They should have given this to HBO and given it the GOT treatment.
If Dumb and Dumber had did to this material, what they did to GoT. I have a strong feeling law enforcement would find them both strung up strangling in the breeze lol.
And I would not shed a single tear 😉
@@mot0rhe4d40 D & D ran out of source material, hence the finale was not good. But with an already complete set of books...
@@toh786 There is truth to that.
Though, there had to be a general lack of fucks given to shit the bed as badly as they did with the final season.
@@mot0rhe4d40 💯💯💯
Love starting my morning with these videos
Always love your videos, sister. Great job, keep em coming.
I love the Fremen✊🏽
Another BIG thumbs up!!
Brilliant and insightful.
I really enjoyed this!!!
Uh, did you read the whole series? They were slaves who basically crash landed on Arrakis.
I really enjoyed this. Thank you.
Its many years since I read Dune, I may be wrong but did Humanity ever discover FTL travel? If not and the Guild Navigators are the only means of interstellar travel using Spice, how did the Fremen ever get to Arrakis to discover the Spice and Sandworms in the first place? Like I said its been many years and it is a BIG book!
I assume the term Fremen was derived from FreeMen... As they are the only true free people in the Dune saga
When I think about the fremen, I think about the native for some reason…maybe that’s just me.
Thank you for pointing out that the Fremen are based on the (ancient) indigenous cultures of Earth. I’ve speculated the connection between the Fremen and the predynastic Nile valley cultures during the early stages of desertification throughout Africa… Looks like I’m not as crazy as I think lmao
Amazing synthetic voice. wow
Could you tell about music in this episode? That's so awesome 💗
Excellent summary
Watched an Az vid, then came here. Perfect counterpoint.
The worms are the primary source of oxygen on dune
Another fascinating video.
It reminds me of some questions I had while reading the series the first time many years ago.
1.) Why don't newborns have blue within blue eyes? Mothers are saturated with spice so babies should be born with an equal saturation or addiction.
2.) The ending of David Lynch's Dune always bothered me; the rain fall Muad'dib summoned would be lethal to the Sand worms, so why do it? The Fremen would never allow the worms to be harmed and would have defended their lives to the last of their own.
That's just two questions, but I have a few more.
Thanks again for an informative, well researched, and crafted video.
All the best.
I really love the first question. Deserves a short story of it's own if they could write it.
@@TrueBagPipeRock I agree, it's interesting and if the mother's organism is saturated with spice, shouldn't every Fremen baby then by a preborn, the way Leto and Ghanima were? Or was it just the quantities that Chani had to consume to maintain her pregnancy, of the interaction with the contraceptives that Irulan had been feeind her and which Chani still had in her system, which then chemically interacted with the spice?
Given that spice has no analogue in reality, we can only assume spice doesn't cross over into fetal circulation. Can't enter the placenta, who knows. It's not really a big deal though. The placenta screens a lot of stuff out (drugs and such).
@@BigMikeMcBastard Good explanation, but if that's how it works, then shouldn't the Bene Gesserit have developed a failsafe to prevent pre-born children in case one their own takes the water of life? They have achieved supreme mastery over their bodies, so shouldn't this be one of the things they brought under control? They are powerful enough to transmute a poison entering their bodies at the molecular level, for crying out loud, then something like this should be simple...It should be easy either to keep the poison from going through the placenta
But another explanation is that this issue is not handled consistently - in the first book, Jessica takes the water of life (the bile of a dying baby sandworm) and it makes her a Reverend Mother, and gives her the memories of all the Reverend Mothers before her (along the line of Ramallo, I assume), and similarly Alia is born already a full Reverend Mother. In Messiah, Chani eats spice as a finished product as part of her fertility diet to counteract the effects of the contraceptive Irulan has fed her, and it turns Leto and Ghanima into pre-borns with the memories of their ancestors (and Alia is now retconned into having ancestral memories rather than just those of the Reverend Mothers in her line). But we do not hear anything about this spice turning Chani into a Reverend Mother (OK, she could not transmute the stuff).
Given that when Jessica drank the WoL, Alia was given full awareness while in the womb, so I'm sure there must be an effect on the unborn babies of mothers saturated w Spice.
The Aiel from the Wheel of Time series reminds me of the Fremen.
0:55 10,191 isn't 20,000 years in the future, it's 8170. 8226 if you go back to the year the book was published.
10191 AG
Ever wonder what AG means? A simple Google search yields this result:
A.G. is an acronym for After Guild. It refers to the time when the Spacing Guild established a monopoly on all space travel, transport, and Imperial banking throughout the known universe in the year 0/11,075 A.D.
I see a similarity here between the fremen and the aiel from wot.
I LIVE IN ARIZONA WE ARE FREMAN
Why fremen did not evolve just like the navigator who use more spice to navigate the space
They were not expose to very very large amounts of spice
Why would they want to terraform Arrakis into a paradise knowing it'll kill all the worms eventually, which is like their God?
Will you do a video on the animals and plants of DUNE
I did one on the ecology of Arrakis that talks about that
Can you do a video on freman tools sand compactors etc?
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/Q0inBbBrEJw/w-d-xo.html
@@NerdCookies thanks
Who are the Hoards of Mungo?
Thanks elaine
I really enjoyed your video however I have a question why Have you suggested that they are similar to Sunni and not Shia? I personally would feel that due to the acceptance of more spiritual ideologies they have parallels with Buddhism is Shia would be a better fit.
Well its both really. The lore of the fremen establishes that their religion is based largely on the Sunni branch of Islam, with Zen-Buddhist influences.
I am not entirely sure, but isn't it that the Sunni branch is the more moderate branch of Islam as compared with Shia? Could Frank Herbert have felt uncomfortable about Shia for that reason? Just a thought of mine...
Not only Zensunni but Sufi. Jessica stream of thought tells us that, her training reveals what kind of prophecies the Missionaria Protectiva has fed this planet so she can save both their lives.
How much of Dune comes from islamic fables? They seem to be very similar. I’m happy I found another Dune video. Thanks Elaine.
Me watching this for a fourth time because i really like to hear marcus talking about dune
can't wait for the new film, it's looking good.
gives me flashbacks of being in school and the other kids talking star wars, while i was reading the dune books and watched the movie.
then a friend raised an interesting point of thought..... if a freman warrior were to meet a jedi knight/ sith lord in combat.... who would win??
of course a basic freman warrior vs ether would lose simply due to range control from the force user. but then i remembered that in the books and movies. Paul taught them the weirding ways. to use sound as a weapon.... and the fact freman are very adept and adaptive warriors.... so i couldn't say who would win in a fight between them.... but the freman are a warrior race long and short. they know how to strike hard and fast without telegraphing their intent.... i'm sure if they had the weirding way, they'd just kill with a whisper before the jedi or sith could draw a weapon in defense
Free Men. Fremen. They escaped persecution to become free.
the fremen and their crysknife must have been inspired by the gurkha and their kukri.
the original and better version of tusken raiders
I've only seen the movie and have not read any books so this question may have been answered, but why melee?? The only reason why guns don't work is bc shields exist, so why isn't ranged combat prefered on Arakis where people can't use shields?
In the newest movie they are led by a very tired looking Stilgar
The Fremen of Arrakis are in fact Zen-Sunni, but they're also peoples from the Hindu religion. Then Zen-Sunni is despised by the majority of the Arabic culture, also so is the Hindu sects in the Dune series. They're rounded up and used as domestic slaves in much of the Dune series. They're also used as harvested eyes and whatever is necessary by the Bene Tleilax.
I'll bet the Fremen gave off a terrible smell wherever they went.
😂😂😬 oooooff! Hadn’t thought of that at all, but considering how they live on a hot desert planet, wear HEAVY ass clothes that cover like 90%+ of their body and it’s thick enough to catch like 99% of ALL their sweat & urine and any other moisture their body gives off and filters it back into their body…. yea they probably do smell like fucking ass!
6:00 ....The OPPOSITE of dancing ...is there a game a DJ could play with dancers such as announcing sandworms coming, halt the rhythm and walk around swiing the sand one leg at a time with no attention to any rhythm...then go back and say WE MADE IT TO THE ROCK and transistion the music accordingly?
Spitting is a sign of respect? LOL Remember Ace Ventura?
A*W*S*O*M*E
The Fremen are the faithful
Who are the Fremen? Ask the Cossacks.
Is that your way of saying that the Fremen were Cossacks?
@@Syllaeus I'm saying the Fremen were mostly modelled after them.
@@-VOR so not the Bedouins inhabiting desert climates (coincidently the same climate as the fremen) but for sure based of off Cossacks? Also the insane amount of Arabic Islamic concepts mixed into this fiction would support the idea that it was mostly based of off a desert culture (Bedouins, Berber) but you sir believe it is based on the Cossack?
@@Syllaeus I did say mostly.. did i not? Obviously you don't know shit about cossacks. Fremen fighting styles, knives, tactics and even what they call their homes arent inspired by cossacks?
@@Syllaeus lol continue on with your vapid logical fallacies though
i always wondered if they were Free Men 🙃
Artemis?
The Fremen are the best
interesting. one thing is how did the Fremen develop the technology to manufacture Stillsuits on a massive level? how could they keep secret from people with satellite and drone technology? given Islam has seemed to be resistant to becoming a heterodox faith the idea of worshipping a creature (worm) as a deity is quite a leap back to pantheism! also tribes from the Eurasian steppe lived a hard existence but were and still are dependent on civilized societies for things like pot and pans, cloth, medicines, ect. no matter how fierce the Mongols might be they are no match for modern weapons like automatic rifles, tanks and aircraft.
Mongolians have modern weapons, tanks, and aircraft.
Where is the oxygen come from without plant life.
Worms
Im hoping the Dune 2021 isn't as ridiculously complicated as the books. Unfortunately the books are ridiculously complicated and the reason for that is some authors like to take simple concepts and muck it up with goofy jargon and goofy concepts to make the reader believe they are reading something epic. When in reality its completely unnecessary. Like the Lord of The Rings novels. Just tell a story with interesting characters. It seems to be a lost art. The reason Star Wars works is because its a simple story yet the characters shine through. Unfortunately that's not the case with Dune. So much attention is paid to details that the characters seem like cardboard cutouts of more interesting characters. The most famous stories ever written follow that simple yet elusive concept.
Maybe time will change your perspective
@@paulcooper8818 no, im 44 years old. I read Dune when i was a teen. The books are still ridiculously overwritten. You may like that sort of writing but i don't give it much credence. When you compare the story of Paul to Luke Skywalker or Jon Snow or Dr. Frankenstein or any other hero. Paul is bland.
@@anthonywarren9885 I don't think Paul meant to be a hero nor his son does but Paul just a tragic figure that wanted revenge for his father and his blood lust that brought his own downfall and decline to the Imperium. And Leto II are forced to become evil in order to save humanity from extinction since he know mankind are not ready for the horror beyond the known universe and the Robots are actually still active and wanted revenge against mankind, and the Golden Path make sure humanity will survive and scattered like ants all over the large universe so nothing can harm them. I think both character are meant to be a deconstruction of heroic figure and messianic rulers.
i love to voice
Sooo...don't they bathe??