morathi's full skill tree is what i feel should be the baseline in terms of design for all legendary lords. i think having actual choices is rather fun, makes abilites feel more meaningfull.
@@CssHDmonster CA doesn't often make skill trees or abilities with downsides, but they *have* done it a couple of times, like they did with Tyrion. That said, I'm all aboard the idea of expanding skill trees to the point where we have to make actual choices in how we want to build out our lords (and heroes, even). It was arguably more like that in TWW1 when the level cap was 30, but with the game length being what it is, I definitely think raising the max level to 40 was a good idea. I also think they should consider adding max-level skills to the skill tree - something that you can only pick at level 40 or maybe higher if they raise the maximum level in TWW3; a powerful skill which puts the cherry on top for your lord's or hero's progression.
Aye, that's why I tend to play with mods that add in more skills/skillpoints. And due to personal playstyle I much prefer Moriathi, because of the chaos spread. Debuff public order, even against "allies", which you can exploit to take over provinces.
Morathi: Has a big skill tree. Settra: I am GREAT KING, THE IMPERISHABLE, KHEMRIKHARA, THE GREAT KING OF NEHEKHARA, KING OF KINGS, OPENER OF THE WAY, WIELDER OF THE DIVINE FLAME, PUNISHER OF NOMADS, THE GREAT UNIFIER, COMMANDER OF THE GOLDEN LEGION, SACRED OF APPEARANCE, BRINGER OF LIGHT, FATHER OF HAWKS, BUILDER OF CITIES, PROTECTOR OF THE TWO WORLDS, KEEPER OF THE HOURS, CHOSEN OF PTRA, HIGH STEWARD OF THE HORIZON, SAILOR OF THE GREAT VITAE, SENTINEL OF THE TWO REALMS, THE UNDISPUTED, BEGETTER OF THE BEGAT, SCOURGE OF THE FAITHLESS, CARRION-FEEDER, FIRST OF THE CHARNEL VALLEY, RIDER OF THE SACRED CHARIOT, VANQUISHER OF VERMIN, CHAMPION OF THE DEATH ARENA, MIGHTY LION OF THE INFINITE DESERT, EMPEROR OF THE SHIFTING SANDS, HE WHO HOLDS THE SCEPTRE, GREAT HAWK OF THE HEAVENS, ARCH-SULTAN OF ATALAN, WAKER OF THE HIEROTITAN, MONARCH OF THE SKY, MAJESTIC EMPEROR OF THE SHIFTING SANDS, CHAMPION OF THE DESERT GODS, BREAKER OF THE OGRE CLANS, BUILDER OF THE GREAT PYRAMID, TERROR OF THE LIVING, MASTER OF THE NEVER-ENDING HORIZON, MASTER OF THE NECROPOLISES, TAKER OF SOULS, TYRANT TO THE FOOLISH, BEARER OF PTRA'S HOLY BLADE, SCION OF USIRIAN, SCION OF NEHEK, THE GREAT, CHASER OF NIGHTMARES, KEEPER OF THE ROYAL HERAT, FOUNDER OF THE MORTUARY CULT, BANISHER OF THE GRAND HIEROPHANT, HIGH LORD ADMIRAL OF THE DEATHFLEETS, GUARDIAN OF THE CHARNAL PASS, TAMER OF THE LICHE KING, UNLIVING JACKAL LORD, DISMISSER OF THE WARRIOR QUEEN, CHARIOTEER OF THE GODS, HE WHO DOES NOT SERVE, SLAYER OFF REDDITTRAS, SCARAB PURGER, FAVOURED OF USIRIAN, PLAYER OF THE GREAT GAME, LIBERATOR OF LIFE, LORD SAND, WRANGLER OF SCORPIONS, EMPEROR OF THE DUNES, ETERNAL SOVEREIGN OF KHEMRI'S LEGIONS, SENESCHAL OF THE GREAT SANDY DESERT, CURSERER OF THE LIVING, REGENT OF THE EASTERN MOUNTAINS, WARDEN OF THE ETERNAL NECROPOLIS, HERALD OF ALL HERALDS, CALLER OF THE BITTER WIND, GOD-TAMER, MASTER OF THE MORTIS RIVER, GUARDIAN OF THE DEAD, GREAT KEEPER OF THE OBELISKS, DEACON OF THE ASH RIVER, BELATED OF WAKERS, GENERAL OF THE MIGHTY FRAME, SUMMONER OF SANDSTORMS, MASTER OF ALL NECROTECTS, PRINCE OF DUST, TYRANT OF ARABY, PURGER OF THE GREENSKIN BREATHERS, KILLER OF THE FALSE GOD'S CHAMPIONS, TYRANT OF THE GOLD DUNES, GOLDEN BONE LORD, AVENGER OF THE DEAD, CARRION MASTER, ETERNAL WARDEN OF NEHEK'S LANDS, BREAKER OF DJAF'S BONDS. AND MY SKILLS ARE MORE NUMEROUS THAN MY TALENTS!
Hiping for high elf lord comparison,love your content, althogh i preffer a bit less cheese,to si more units worling, but your comentaries and gameplay, are rhe best in the comunnity :) nive work
Playing as Malekith, getting an early confed with Malus is awesome, netting you an ark and a capable lord with no loyalty issues. Malus is weird, great to confed, horrible to play as. ^^
His faction ability is kind of underrated given that you can essentially maintain +10 PO and +100 growth per turn factionwide once you get your slave income rolling. Only downside is the -10 MA (mostly irrelevent for shade armies) and the fact that you need to press a button every turn. Plus if you abandon the dragon isles, the landmark at Hag Graef is great for maintaining a sitting army for the early game.
Yeah, buff mammoths or buff trolls? Such a tough call. (I actually do build a troll army after confederating Throgg; it's weaker but still a decent army with his bonuses, and it's fun to have one army that's different.)
@@doktarr Yep I often do these things. For example I always go Sisters of Avelorn stack with the High Elves but I actually go Shadow Warrior stack with Alith Anar. Or go Kroxigor stack with Nakai -which is surprisingly good, due to the low entities per unit they level up stupidly fast, and a full stack of fully trained Sacred Kroxigors is an autoresove machine, it can kill practically any doomstack with minimal losses and easily recover most casualties if they just eat the captives.
Dark Elves are so much fun to play. Though their rank 7+ recruiting from black arcs is a little busted :D Also I wish Malus Darkblade would have other bonuses than to cold ones, considering how useless they are. I'd guessed that he could have some shades bonuses since Hag Graef seems to be connected to them through lore.
On The other hand he is in the jungle, where those cold ones live. Makes sense either way to me, but shades would have been better. But actually all his bonusses and downsides fit him really well imo. He is a Lord, that either makes things unnecessary challenging for the Player or to give him extra fun playing in a unconvential and new way (the starting position, the units, the faction mechanic etc.). I like him, but yeah he is maybe a bit too weak.
Pretty sure the recruit rank black ark building is bugged to give double the amount its supposed to. If they ever patch it though, you'll still be able to reach rank 7 with tech (+2), lord skills from the admiral, normal lord, or temp lord with blue skills (+2), and the black ark building (+3).
I think Malekith local bonuses really shine not only at the start helping develop his core province/provinces, but also when he is the main conquering army - negating public order penalty imposed due to conquest and speeding up conversion towards your faction favoured corruption , also allowing to instantly start building (cheap and fast) required buildings in newly conquered cities.
Could you please do Empire next? I am looking forward to you disappointing Karl Franz fans by stating that from a rational point of view he really isn't the best Empire Lord. (Look at my profile pic to see the best Empire Lord)
We already kinda know. Its definitely gonna be Gelt at the top, Volkmar at the bottom and Karl being either 2nd or 3rd. Probably 2nd, I don't think Wulfhart is better than him even though his campaign is pretty fun
Its a real shame. On TT Spite gets his own attacks, and it makes him worthwhile. These extra attacks should have been "folded" into Darkblade, at least with a stat boost. This goes for ALL mounts. I don't think CA gets that, because Cold One knights and Dread Knights should be fierce and terrifying, but your right, they are "meh"..... Cavalry units and mounts need a serious re-work.
Bonus attacks/damage for cold one knights would really offset their lack of speed and lower stats. It'd make them an interesting pick, sort of a gamble where you could do a lot of damage if RNG is in your favor but somewhat of a plodding glass-cannon unit.
@@WhiteManOnCampus I just feel all mounts for all factions should be handled a little differently. Monstrous mounts should be a bit more intimidation across the board with some exceptions (War Mammoth for example does NOT need an upgrade LOL)...On TT, both rider and mount count as attackers, the game should find a way to reflect this. Cold one knights should especially be a bit harder to kill then they are now. They are heavily armored cav on the table (I think they have 1 plus save, at least they did back when I played a LOOOONG time ago) LOL which means without modifiers, you werent hurting them unless you got real lucky with your rolls. Here in TW, they are squishy, and not at all representative of thier TT counterparts. The only dread that dread knights instill, is the annoyance of having to take a moment to mop them up.....And thats a shame.
You know what would be cool? If Spite kept fighting as his own hero unit when Malus turned into Tzarkan, who is then on foot. That way you get an extra tank for free, which would really provide some versatility.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Cold one knights. On TT they are durable due to thier heavy armor and mounted armor bonus, on TW they melt like butter. I have seen them fold and run at the hands of weak infantry before, and that shouldnt be the case. There are other examples as well. I just dont think mounted units are well represented, aside from a few exceptions (They have demi-gryphon knights about right for example), Cold one knights should be a core facet of dark elf armies, NOT an early game "maybe" and a late game "Hell no" lol.
I think this might be the best series on this channel so far. While I watch other ones mostly for entertainment (but they're very informative anyway), this one can potentially help me the most. I've been playing Warhammer for only 3-4 months and haven't tried most factions yet. I'm going to play with all the races eventually (well, excluding chaos and beastmen) and it would be cool to see more ofsuch comparisons.
About Malus - I found that if you pump upkeep reduction in the blue line you can get Cold Ones down to 60 upkeep. Which I find hilarious for a heavy cav unit.
I'm surprised you chose to do the dark elves next with you expecting them to get another Legendary lord eventually. I'm also surprised this video came out so soon after the greenskin one. Glad to see it!
@@Crucial_End They are very unlikely to get a new LL considering there's only one DLC left for WHII and we got Malus in the DLC before The Warden & The Paunch.
@@Crucial_End He says he actually doesn't know. He says he knows there will be 6 Legendary lords of each main race in Warhammer 2. High Elves, Lizardmen, Dark Elves and Skaven. There are 5 of Dark Elves and Skaven so he expects 1 more for each of them and 2 more of some other races.
great job legend thanks for the video. I'd love to see lizardmen next. Can't wait for tomb kings as well, but I think they are a little more obvious in their rankings. Could be a surprise tho after thorough evaluation. We'll see I suppose.
I'd love to see a Tomb Kings or Vampire Coast evaluation next! I've always been a huge fan of Khatep and Luthor Harkon and I'm curious to see where they'd fall on their rankings.
I need to show you my doom stack with Lokhir Fellheart. It’s mainly a ton of corsairs with hand xbows, but they have 100+ armor and almost 100 range. Since they fire while moving, they basically can cheese most encounters and with the armor piercing buffs, they can take out most things relatively easily, so long as they have space to run. Also if they are in melee, since LL traits gives corsairs fear it’s not too bad, and by taking certain traits you can push their melee and missile damage to 70+ which is really respectable for a hybrid unit.
thanks for that legend,i really think Malus need some love from CA...he's really underpowered. lookin forward the empire guide,cause i already know your opinion on the dawi from your streams! xD
Besides being the 2nd best waifu behind Isabella 😂, I think you forgot to mention a couple more faction "bonuses" she is known for: 1). -50% hero action cost (she has one of the best defeat traits in the game, esp for HEs, and 2). She provides Chaos corruption, which can result in nearby settlements rebelling and razing it. Free settlements without going to war! Plus, like you said, she buffs the best DE units in the roster and has a robust skill tree every LL should follow. 9.5 and 1st place for her from me 😎
@@dennoplit3728 It's only a problem for other races. I find it particularly useful when Malekith won't confed when you both are grabbing Ulthuan and he has one of your provincial settlements. Corruption sets in, rebels emerge, and blow it up. Take it with a newly hired lord or nearby army. Also makes trekking across the Norscan lands much easier.
Does she still get chaos corruption when confederated? I thought it's a faction-only feature. We are giving out the scores while ignoring the faction features, keep in mind.
Really enjoying these comparisons Legend. Can we expect a Lokhir Fellheart campaign soon? Planning my first Skaven campaign soon so Skaven comparison next please! Keep up the good work!
@Gal Gréine Heal is too expensive compared to Lore of Life, every Slann has got this vortex, net isn't that useful when most of Lizardmen roster is meele, this ability wind is too random, this fire buff is actually powerful in range factions, like Empire or HE, single target spell is too expensive to it's damage. Comet is good for his army, because you play a lot of Temple Guard with Mazda, so you need some infantry remover
@Gal Gréine Earth Blood is AoE, so if you heal one target you're right. But if you heal 4 targets, wind of Ghyran wins Edit: Apotheosis also gives fear, but this advantage is useless in higher diffculties
i actually like that you're focusing stictly in the lords as units and not in the faction. Since i tend to go for conderations as my main objective (when possible) it really helps me out to not mix their strenghts as LL and their strenghts as faction. Also this way you keep it tied down in what the lord offers. If you start bringing up the faction bonuses you might also include starting position, intial challange , etc and at that point it becomes a ranking of faction and not LL. About the magic thing that some people complain, i would agree that just giving 10 is not usefull IF this series was about ranking all lord between each other but since it ranks the lords inside their own factions i think its okey. Just to set a random example (dont focus in the details i dont know if what im saying is right ) Warzzag is excelent for a greenskin caster giving him a deserved 10 out of 10 but is that good compared to another caster like Teclis? maybe not but how is that relevant to a ranking about Greenskins lords? Greenskins cant have Teclis, fuck they cant have more than 3 lores of magic, so how is it relevant to the greenskins if X or Y are better casters? so i think that giving caster 10 or 9 as combat prowess is a good idea for the purpose of this series, if people really want to know who is the best caster is then you do a different video focusing on that. Now while i agree in principle, there was a good comment about really good is the lord as a spellcaster when you consider the adition of heroes to his army. does it have unique spells? does it have some skill related to his ability to cast? does it have the best lore that faction can offer? This are question i belive are relevant to their battle prowess. Going back to the greenskins, Warzzag would still deserve his 10 because 1) he has the best lore the greenskins can have 2) he has early acces to the best spells of that lore 3) he has abilities that affect the cost and CD of one of his best spells But for example, would Settra deserve that 10 just because he is an spellcater? i mean if one doesnt use or see much value on his spells then that automic 10 would become more questionable if the rest of his skills dont compensate for it. also i vote for skaven, yes-yes. Sadly i know that my boy Queek is gonna be number 5 because CA has done him dirty compared to the other skaven lords (and even LL in general) edit: fuck i forgot that Trencht also exists so MAYBE Queek isnt the bottom of the barrel after all.
Malus actually gives a +10 melee attack to all units in his army at full possession (Or after you confederated him) so there is that going for him in terms of army buffs
I was pretty sure for that. I've seen a lot of campaigns and every DE lord, so I have some bit of knowledge. I really like this series of rating and I learn a lot about the Warhammer through you. I have no preference of which race you do next, on condition you complete the series doing every race in the game, good or evil (but those who know me and what I've passed in my professional carreer know that I am dedicated to good vs evil thing, so I tend towards High Elves, aka pointy-ears, and afterwards Humans, aka roundy-ears...). Have a nice time.
Quick correction for Malus - you said he has 2 health bars. Thanks to the heal from the Warpsword, he actually has 3.5 as his replenishment pool resets when you transform into Tzarkhan. This makes him one of the tankiest lords in the game, as he gets passive ward save, good healing and multiple health bars.
@Joshua Pawlak HE are pretty obvious, though. Legend plays them regularly so I doubt testing will change his ranking: Allarielle > Tyrion > Alith Anar > Teclis = Eltharion > Imrik. Something like this
@@dmitriyk.2890 I'm pretty confident he'll get the 10/10 bc he does give -50% upkeep to weapons teams which isn't exactly outclassed by any other generic skaven lord for army bonuses. It really depends on how consistent and objective he wants to be with his rankings tho.
You should do a "Best unit for each faction" video. A lot of TotalWar TH-camrs have done them, but they all focus on multiplayer, it would be interesting to see a purely campaign perspective.
Between Malekith and Morathi I would put Malekith first, because in campaign he plays with untainted mechanic, rather than chaos corruption as Morathi. Only because plying with untainted is way easier. Nice vid
I've never really played Dark Elves before to be honest, but now i'm interested in giving it a try; thanks for the rating! Might as well play momma and turn Ulthuan into a chaos waste for her little boy.
Faction mechanics aren't counted because they're tied to the faction itself, not the Legendary Lord and disappear completely when that faction is confederated.
This is a lord comparison video, and everything you described is about hellebron's faction. Maybe we can pester legend to do a faction comparison series next haha.
Honestly her death night mechanic is mostly irrelevent since the army can only raze settlements and you lose slaves by having it attack enemy cities/armies. Also the cost to your slave population is beyond annoying throughout. Only when you capture the Gaen Vale and Quintex does it become decent with the permanent +2 PO (i think) or +6 PO temporarily if you want to sacrifice some slaves (which can be a significant amount of income since the sacrificed slave populations are not controlled by the player). Overall I think Malus has better faction mechanics since it only costs money to use it, it gives more PO, and it gives lots of growth.
@@andrewtobias4545 yeah, for one turn. Hellebron's mechanic lasts several turns and actually allows you to push forward instead of being forced to babysit every province for rebellions, not to mention 20% damage reduction vs melee debuff of malus.
@@andrewtobias4545 it's not irrelevant at all. At like turn 10 an army made of hydras and top melee units will be razing elven settlements. It is super good
I was just starting my campaign with Malekith recently and just confederated hellebron, thinking she was boring but not sure. What a lucky timing for this video.
I usually stick a few diciplined mages in her army with fire or shadow magic (melee buffs and debuffs) send her over to Norsca with sisters of slaughter and shades and roll over the melee focused factions there. Decent time. She gets the insane trait usually so her melee attack starts going crazy
She isn't a great LL imo and tbh I would rather have a dark sorceress lord on a dragon in command of any army than her bc of the arcane conduit and power of darkness (roughly 3-10x better than AC depending on winds reserve) which I can couple with a fire or shadow (preferred lore) mage hero for extremely good winds recharge rate.
Malekith should get a higher score because his local bonus can make his home province in no time tier 4. Super fast growth with four regions and his bonus and reduced buildingcost bonus is amazing. Fill it with slaves really fast and he also has Malas by his side.
Great video, I really like this series. Personally I don’t think a LL should get a 10 in combat if they don’t have a mount or the mass to pick and choose combat where they please. For instance Malus, Grimgore and my personal favorite Vlad are both really good in combat due to their stats, and survivability ( plus magic like Wind of Death on Vlad). However, if you cannot reliably get that lord where they are best suited to use their abilities I do not think that deserve a perfect score, no matter how much ass they can kick when they eventually get there.
Morathi is one of the most fun campaigns in the game. surrounded by enemies, challenged on all sides and with one of the strongest legendary lords spell casters in the game. One of my first legendary campaigns and there were so many fights I'd end near 1000 kills with morathi because we HAD to win a battle.
Good stuff. Just wondering why upkeep reduction counts against command ability. I think there is a case to say upkeep benefits, as they are financial, are campaign benefits. Its effectively moving the same dial as say tax increases or money from ports so I'd say would make more sense in the same bucket.
Vampire counts next? You've said in the past that they all are somewhat equal, but they all do it differently. Vlad has best commander skills and best melee (and is the daddiest). Mannfred is the best caster and gets best mount (and is the cuntiest). Isabella has best army buffs (and is the hottest). Ghorst I've never played, but his mount seems hilarious, so easy 10/10 there :) And as a bonus, could throw the Lahmian bloodline vamp queen there for comparison to reach 5 lords, I think they are easily the best one available via bloodline mechanic. And Red Duke is basically just a Blood Dragon with unique name.
I would really like to see a skaven LL comparison, Because alot of people say that Skrolk is better than Ikit and I would like to see the difference between the.
I was literally just thinking which Dark Elf lord would be best for a new campaign, because I've never really given them the time of day. Thanks Legend.
These videos don’t consider the faction features, only their lords, just a word of caution. You may find for example that even though Morathi kicks major ass, her faction really sucks. Mandatory chaos corruption makes it difficult to play and even more difficult to revive legendary lords for confederation as the rebels you spawn will be chaos not dark elf. Malekith’s faction is probably the best one to start a campaign with as you shouldn’t have too much trouble getting all the other legendary lords and get an easy start.
I don't think it's objective to say Malus is bad at factionwide effects without including his posession meter in the analisys. It does offer quite a lot for growing and controlling your territory. Malus is currently the second best LL to pick, Malekith being the first one for his comfy start position and for, well, controlling Naggaroth, and Iron Mountains being probably the best province to fill with slaves & safest to control.
Nive ámd informmative comparison i love I am already suscribed,always watch your videos, but cant do it on-line . But keep going ;) Waiting for the high elves lord comparison (all know about allariel hehe) :)
nice video I learned something from it but I disagree about Morathi. I completed multiple legendary campaigns with her and never went insidious. Tenacious feels to me a lot lot better. Upkeep reduction will allow you to have 2nd army early in the game, 5% ward save for all units, magic items drop chance for that sweet blue powerful items, diplomacy with chaos factions will help you befriend skeggi in case they are not very friendly. I can't imagine playing her without the tenacious skill. I like what you said about her skill tree I wished she had like 10 more skill points :D...I play her with going full yellow with spells and melee stats. She is a spellcaster lord but she is the best spellcaster in the game...no other spellcasters can solo dragons. With her, you basically don't need a doomstack because she is a doomstack on her own. I had many battles where all my units were dead or routed yet she together with heroes secured the victory. Tbh Malekith might be on a dragon but he is nowhere near as durable as Morathi is because of her regen and soulstealer and debuffs from her items and skills and items. So for me at least tenacious Morathi > Malekith. For the next video, I would like to see the lizardmen as I love all of their LL and they are all pretty cool and fun to play so it interests me to know how would they fare in your analysis.
Morathi is insanely powerful in battle. I like to give her a hydra stack so she saves a lot of skill pts on not having to go red line. My last game I gave her a death hag hero with the helm of discord and armor that reduces melee attack by 5, which altogether reduced nearby infantry to 0 melee attack and like 10 melee defense lol
For morathi there's the global recruitment of sorceresses too. Also I get that it's the Lords and less so the faction buffs but the blark ark recruiting at each port for lokhir is also handy. (honestly not sure if that's mods anymore or not)
So I have a suggestion for the next video. So far you have only rated the lords in a vacuum without taking their factions into consideration, and while that is understandable I think it is a mistake for 2 reasons. 1st, the most reliable way to get access to a lord is to play their faction, so the majority of the time players want a specific lord they play the appropriate faction and so get the faction bonuses as standard, and those are sometiems just as impactful as the actual lord. Second, when people talk about lords they often talk about the factions themselves. I.E when people say stuff like "Ikit Claw is fucking nuts" or "Grom is amazing" that is partially due to the actual lord, but it has just as much to do, perhaps even more to do, with the Forbidden Workshop and Grom's Cauldron, which are faction buffs. Not taking these into account means not evaluating everything that goes into picking lords. A similar thing goes for starting position, the start has a lot of impact on difficulty due to your starting regions, units and neighbors, and weird faction mechanics like Morathi's faction having Chaos corruption. It heavily impacts campaigns and really ought to be included. IMO, the best way to do it is to make the comparison primarily a faction comparison where you go over everything. Main focus on the lords themselves unless something about the faction is important enough to dive deep into, the rest gets a shorter overview, then rank the entire factions, not just lords. Then at the end, a separate list for just lords in a vacuum. Since you would already have gone over each lord in the faction overview you could get away with just a short recap of each lord and rank them quickly at the end. Finally, I vote for Skaven for the next installment.
Though it honestly doesn't make a huge difference in this particular case. Morathi, Malus and Hellebron would get less points(since their faction mechanics are mainly about avoiding penalties) but it wouldn't make a difference in their order. Cult of Pleasure would still be better than the Blessed Dread even if the Chaos Corruption is annoying.
I wish they would rebalance LLs so they all had useful campaign/army buffs. If their battle presence is higher/lower that's fine. Also, I didn't hear you mention Lokhir's 50% increase to slave income.
In mortal empires Lokhir Fellhart has quite a hard time since Lustria is a mess, superhero bowl because of shrinking of Lustria and western and southern jungles. But if you take Vortex map into consideration since the factions and lords are more spread out he is not having a hard time establishing a stronghold in Lustria, he boosts corsairs which are pretty good early game units as well as making them cheaper. Then while in the mid game dark elves got a huge economy boost from the slaves and you can easily phase out corsairs for shades. Also after the initial challenge Lokhir is literally unstoppable in the Vortex map due to his starting position. He can go deep in Lustria, he can invade Ulthuan or can use fortress of dawn as a staging ground to launch an invasion on the western jungle. He is strategically more valuable than Morathi regardless.
Lokhir's start in Mortal Empires isn't bad, and I've been able to regularly get Itza off my back by beating the shit out of Pestilens to get an NAP with them. After that point you can pretty much just take the entire eastern coastline with little issue, as an added bonus once you've done that and you start moving into the lustrian interior your Black Arks can sail over to Nehekara and just sack the everloving hell out of all the coastal provinces to feed your war machine.
@@S3Cs4uN8 It isn't the worst but not enough to be considered not bad. Lustria in ME is messy. It's unnecessary and waste of time to play Lustrian faction in ME. All the interesting sections of Lustria and western jungles are cut off. And the ocean is smaller in ME, it takes away the naval encounter advantage of your black arks with free doomstacks residing as reinforcements to the invading army
I think giving a 10 just for being a spell caster is a bit excessive. For example, for Malekith the optimal strategy as far as I'm concerned is to entirely ignore his spell casting since you start with a fire sorceress anyway and Fire magic beats the pants off of Dark magic, instead you finish off the blue and red lines entirely before thinking about spell casting. A true 10 in spellcaster has to either get great spells with no/few points spent (e.g. Ikit Claw spamming Warp Lightning on turn 1) or get some truly massive bonuses/discounts (e.g. Wurrzag with his incredibly cheap foot of gork). For spellcasting lords like Malekith or Morathi you otherwise often aren't even putting points in their spellcasting until level 30 or so. Otherwise agree with the ratings, good breakdown. It's ridiculous that Malus is a way better lord when you don't start as him.
"You are given the seat as one of the top legendary lords, but we will not grant you the rank of 10/10"
-Mace Windu to Malekith"I hate snow" Skywalker
"Don't underestimate my power!" - Malekith before being shredded by sisters of avelorn arrow spam
You were my brother Malekith! You were supposed to bring balance to the campaign, not break it with slave eco!
@@KeijoAmbersson I HATE YOU!
Great reference. X)
morathi's full skill tree is what i feel should be the baseline in terms of design for all legendary lords. i think having actual choices is rather fun, makes abilites feel more meaningfull.
True. and it gives more replayability to the lords, u cany try difrent build each time you play her.
yes but i also think they should take some inspiration from grimhammer and have powerful skills also have downsides even if only minor
@@CssHDmonster CA doesn't often make skill trees or abilities with downsides, but they *have* done it a couple of times, like they did with Tyrion.
That said, I'm all aboard the idea of expanding skill trees to the point where we have to make actual choices in how we want to build out our lords (and heroes, even). It was arguably more like that in TWW1 when the level cap was 30, but with the game length being what it is, I definitely think raising the max level to 40 was a good idea. I also think they should consider adding max-level skills to the skill tree - something that you can only pick at level 40 or maybe higher if they raise the maximum level in TWW3; a powerful skill which puts the cherry on top for your lord's or hero's progression.
Aye, that's why I tend to play with mods that add in more skills/skillpoints. And due to personal playstyle I much prefer Moriathi, because of the chaos spread. Debuff public order, even against "allies", which you can exploit to take over provinces.
Agree completely, one of the few things I like about SFO is the widened skill trees so certain LLs don't feel so.... empty.
Legend making the tough call of saying that Malekith is top and Morathi is bottom
Underappreciated comment right here
Massive oof.
I can't imagine Morathi as being a bottom, she screams dom to me
Morathi: Has a big skill tree.
Settra: I am GREAT KING, THE IMPERISHABLE, KHEMRIKHARA, THE GREAT KING OF NEHEKHARA, KING OF KINGS, OPENER OF THE WAY, WIELDER OF THE DIVINE FLAME, PUNISHER OF NOMADS, THE GREAT UNIFIER, COMMANDER OF THE GOLDEN LEGION, SACRED OF APPEARANCE, BRINGER OF LIGHT, FATHER OF HAWKS, BUILDER OF CITIES, PROTECTOR OF THE TWO WORLDS, KEEPER OF THE HOURS, CHOSEN OF PTRA, HIGH STEWARD OF THE HORIZON, SAILOR OF THE GREAT VITAE, SENTINEL OF THE TWO REALMS, THE UNDISPUTED, BEGETTER OF THE BEGAT, SCOURGE OF THE FAITHLESS, CARRION-FEEDER, FIRST OF THE CHARNEL VALLEY, RIDER OF THE SACRED CHARIOT, VANQUISHER OF VERMIN, CHAMPION OF THE DEATH ARENA, MIGHTY LION OF THE INFINITE DESERT, EMPEROR OF THE SHIFTING SANDS, HE WHO HOLDS THE SCEPTRE, GREAT HAWK OF THE HEAVENS, ARCH-SULTAN OF ATALAN, WAKER OF THE HIEROTITAN, MONARCH OF THE SKY, MAJESTIC EMPEROR OF THE SHIFTING SANDS, CHAMPION OF THE DESERT GODS, BREAKER OF THE OGRE CLANS, BUILDER OF THE GREAT PYRAMID, TERROR OF THE LIVING, MASTER OF THE NEVER-ENDING HORIZON, MASTER OF THE NECROPOLISES, TAKER OF SOULS, TYRANT TO THE FOOLISH, BEARER OF PTRA'S HOLY BLADE, SCION OF USIRIAN, SCION OF NEHEK, THE GREAT, CHASER OF NIGHTMARES, KEEPER OF THE ROYAL HERAT, FOUNDER OF THE MORTUARY CULT, BANISHER OF THE GRAND HIEROPHANT, HIGH LORD ADMIRAL OF THE DEATHFLEETS, GUARDIAN OF THE CHARNAL PASS, TAMER OF THE LICHE KING, UNLIVING JACKAL LORD, DISMISSER OF THE WARRIOR QUEEN, CHARIOTEER OF THE GODS, HE WHO DOES NOT SERVE, SLAYER OFF REDDITTRAS, SCARAB PURGER, FAVOURED OF USIRIAN, PLAYER OF THE GREAT GAME, LIBERATOR OF LIFE, LORD SAND, WRANGLER OF SCORPIONS, EMPEROR OF THE DUNES, ETERNAL SOVEREIGN OF KHEMRI'S LEGIONS, SENESCHAL OF THE GREAT SANDY DESERT, CURSERER OF THE LIVING, REGENT OF THE EASTERN MOUNTAINS, WARDEN OF THE ETERNAL NECROPOLIS, HERALD OF ALL HERALDS, CALLER OF THE BITTER WIND, GOD-TAMER, MASTER OF THE MORTIS RIVER, GUARDIAN OF THE DEAD, GREAT KEEPER OF THE OBELISKS, DEACON OF THE ASH RIVER, BELATED OF WAKERS, GENERAL OF THE MIGHTY FRAME, SUMMONER OF SANDSTORMS, MASTER OF ALL NECROTECTS, PRINCE OF DUST, TYRANT OF ARABY, PURGER OF THE GREENSKIN BREATHERS, KILLER OF THE FALSE GOD'S CHAMPIONS, TYRANT OF THE GOLD DUNES, GOLDEN BONE LORD, AVENGER OF THE DEAD, CARRION MASTER, ETERNAL WARDEN OF NEHEK'S LANDS, BREAKER OF DJAF'S BONDS. AND MY SKILLS ARE MORE NUMEROUS THAN MY TALENTS!
Did you take the whole 41 minutes after the video released to make this comment? Jesus.
20/10 in naming ability
Settra the Overtitled does not serve!
Curserer isn't a word, 0/10
@@johnmcmanus2447 hahaha nice one!
17:56 "He's actually sharing the #1 spot with Morathi"
Not the only thing he's sharing with her 👀
Bruh
Morathi is Malekiths mother.
@@BleakJesterHead Yes. And?
@@BleakJesterHead 👁️👄👁️
@@MAGAMER1300 🤣😭
Lol that alarielle yeet
Hellebron casually throwing Alarielle around as if she was a toy :)
She's flying through the air going, 'AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!' It's so funny!
still, with cute flowers and all. stay classy alarielle
The best part of it was her flowery trail left in the air showing the full arc of the yeet. 10/10
Hiping for high elf lord comparison,love your content, althogh i preffer a bit less cheese,to si more units worling, but your comentaries and gameplay, are rhe best in the comunnity :) nive work
LMAO, that part where Crone Hellebron was ramming Allarielle with the Shrine of Kaine xD
I was literally just watching the Greenskins one, and wondering when the next one was coming. Perfect timing :)
Not Dawi lords thoigh, so that's definitely going in the book. Manling better not disappoint me in the next video.
@@fizzbrew He has wronged us
Playing as Malekith, getting an early confed with Malus is awesome, netting you an ark and a capable lord with no loyalty issues. Malus is weird, great to confed, horrible to play as. ^^
His faction ability is kind of underrated given that you can essentially maintain +10 PO and +100 growth per turn factionwide once you get your slave income rolling. Only downside is the -10 MA (mostly irrelevent for shade armies) and the fact that you need to press a button every turn. Plus if you abandon the dragon isles, the landmark at Hag Graef is great for maintaining a sitting army for the early game.
Do Norsca next. Might be the most difficult ranking you'll have to do.
Bro no its gonna take days to make
Yeah, buff mammoths or buff trolls? Such a tough call.
(I actually do build a troll army after confederating Throgg; it's weaker but still a decent army with his bonuses, and it's fun to have one army that's different.)
@@doktarr Yep I often do these things. For example I always go Sisters of Avelorn stack with the High Elves but I actually go Shadow Warrior stack with Alith Anar. Or go Kroxigor stack with Nakai -which is surprisingly good, due to the low entities per unit they level up stupidly fast, and a full stack of fully trained Sacred Kroxigors is an autoresove machine, it can kill practically any doomstack with minimal losses and easily recover most casualties if they just eat the captives.
Hes pretty vocal about how much he loves mammoths and hates trolls and throgg
@@lordchaos7770 lol that's the joke
Lizardmen next
Yes please, THIS, would be naas
+1 !!
Life Slann: 10/10, everyone else: sux
Slaan Priest (Life), then Tehanuin, then Mazdamundi/Kroq Gar, Gor Rok/Tik Taq'to and the worst Nakai.
Yassssssss
More of these! Really informative and great.
Dark Elves are so much fun to play. Though their rank 7+ recruiting from black arcs is a little busted :D
Also I wish Malus Darkblade would have other bonuses than to cold ones, considering how useless they are. I'd guessed that he could have some shades bonuses since Hag Graef seems to be connected to them through lore.
On The other hand he is in the jungle, where those cold ones live. Makes sense either way to me, but shades would have been better. But actually all his bonusses and downsides fit him really well imo. He is a Lord, that either makes things unnecessary challenging for the Player or to give him extra fun playing in a unconvential and new way (the starting position, the units, the faction mechanic etc.). I like him, but yeah he is maybe a bit too weak.
Pretty sure the recruit rank black ark building is bugged to give double the amount its supposed to. If they ever patch it though, you'll still be able to reach rank 7 with tech (+2), lord skills from the admiral, normal lord, or temp lord with blue skills (+2), and the black ark building (+3).
Instead of changing malus buff cold ones and other cav / melee inf on legendary
For anyone watching this in 2021, Malagor is now super strong. He wasn't at the time when this video was made.
I think Malekith local bonuses really shine not only at the start helping develop his core province/provinces, but also when he is the main conquering army - negating public order penalty imposed due to conquest and speeding up conversion towards your faction favoured corruption , also allowing to instantly start building (cheap and fast) required buildings in newly conquered cities.
Could you please do Empire next?
I am looking forward to you disappointing Karl Franz fans by stating that from a rational point of view he really isn't the best Empire Lord.
(Look at my profile pic to see the best Empire Lord)
We already kinda know. Its definitely gonna be Gelt at the top, Volkmar at the bottom and Karl being either 2nd or 3rd. Probably 2nd, I don't think Wulfhart is better than him even though his campaign is pretty fun
Bottom 5 due to corrupted save
Shut your mouth
Broke Gold Order Scion: GeLT iS A BetTeR LL tHAn FrAnZ
Woke Empire veteran player: Yes, I know (proceeds to play his 47th Reikland campaign)
@@business3867 knowing Franz he probably agrees he isn't the best. He's a cool guy like that.
Its a real shame. On TT Spite gets his own attacks, and it makes him worthwhile. These extra attacks should have been "folded" into Darkblade, at least with a stat boost. This goes for ALL mounts. I don't think CA gets that, because Cold One knights and Dread Knights should be fierce and terrifying, but your right, they are "meh"..... Cavalry units and mounts need a serious re-work.
Bonus attacks/damage for cold one knights would really offset their lack of speed and lower stats. It'd make them an interesting pick, sort of a gamble where you could do a lot of damage if RNG is in your favor but somewhat of a plodding glass-cannon unit.
@@WhiteManOnCampus I just feel all mounts for all factions should be handled a little differently. Monstrous mounts should be a bit more intimidation across the board with some exceptions (War Mammoth for example does NOT need an upgrade LOL)...On TT, both rider and mount count as attackers, the game should find a way to reflect this. Cold one knights should especially be a bit harder to kill then they are now. They are heavily armored cav on the table (I think they have 1 plus save, at least they did back when I played a LOOOONG time ago) LOL which means without modifiers, you werent hurting them unless you got real lucky with your rolls. Here in TW, they are squishy, and not at all representative of thier TT counterparts. The only dread that dread knights instill, is the annoyance of having to take a moment to mop them up.....And thats a shame.
You know what would be cool? If Spite kept fighting as his own hero unit when Malus turned into Tzarkan, who is then on foot. That way you get an extra tank for free, which would really provide some versatility.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Yeah your right on that point I guess....But they shouldnt be as squishy as they are, either.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Cold one knights. On TT they are durable due to thier heavy armor and mounted armor bonus, on TW they melt like butter. I have seen them fold and run at the hands of weak infantry before, and that shouldnt be the case. There are other examples as well. I just dont think mounted units are well represented, aside from a few exceptions (They have demi-gryphon knights about right for example), Cold one knights should be a core facet of dark elf armies, NOT an early game "maybe" and a late game "Hell no" lol.
I think this might be the best series on this channel so far. While I watch other ones mostly for entertainment (but they're very informative anyway), this one can potentially help me the most. I've been playing Warhammer for only 3-4 months and haven't tried most factions yet. I'm going to play with all the races eventually (well, excluding chaos and beastmen) and it would be cool to see more ofsuch comparisons.
About Malus - I found that if you pump upkeep reduction in the blue line you can get Cold Ones down to 60 upkeep. Which I find hilarious for a heavy cav unit.
I'm surprised you chose to do the dark elves next with you expecting them to get another Legendary lord eventually. I'm also surprised this video came out so soon after the greenskin one. Glad to see it!
Just curious if you could tell me which lord he expects them to add since I cant think of any that are left to include but I am no expert by far🙂
@@Crucial_End They are very unlikely to get a new LL considering there's only one DLC left for WHII and we got Malus in the DLC before The Warden & The Paunch.
@@Crucial_End He says he actually doesn't know. He says he knows there will be 6 Legendary lords of each main race in Warhammer 2. High Elves, Lizardmen, Dark Elves and Skaven. There are 5 of Dark Elves and Skaven so he expects 1 more for each of them and 2 more of some other races.
@@Crucial_End Rakarth but he's just more badass beastmaster.
I really enjoyed that 'Don't forget to sub' afterthought. Thanks for the good review.
I love the format, this is great content that keeps me coming back to your channel. Keep up the amazing work!
great job legend thanks for the video. I'd love to see lizardmen next. Can't wait for tomb kings as well, but I think they are a little more obvious in their rankings. Could be a surprise tho after thorough evaluation. We'll see I suppose.
These are so useful. Ran a successful Greenskin campaign with Wurrzag recently because of the last vid.
I'd love to see a Tomb Kings or Vampire Coast evaluation next! I've always been a huge fan of Khatep and Luthor Harkon and I'm curious to see where they'd fall on their rankings.
Skaven would be interesting
1. Ikit Claw
2.Deathmaster Snikch
3. the rest
@yunxuan yuan not every aspect, he's pretty tanky, but yeh he sucks
I love these Legendary Lords overviews, it gives ideas for new campaigns.
I need to show you my doom stack with Lokhir Fellheart. It’s mainly a ton of corsairs with hand xbows, but they have 100+ armor and almost 100 range. Since they fire while moving, they basically can cheese most encounters and with the armor piercing buffs, they can take out most things relatively easily, so long as they have space to run. Also if they are in melee, since LL traits gives corsairs fear it’s not too bad, and by taking certain traits you can push their melee and missile damage to 70+ which is really respectable for a hybrid unit.
Legend do you think you could do short videos on how to properly level up Morathi, Life Slanns, Lord Kroak, teclis and other lords with huge trees?
You can get everything with lord Kroak
@@arbaal240 Nice
Really like these type of breakdown videos. Would love to see one for skaven.
i hope these videos do well they are amazing
thanks for that legend,i really think Malus need some love from CA...he's really underpowered. lookin forward the empire guide,cause i already know your opinion on the dawi from your streams! xD
Besides being the 2nd best waifu behind Isabella 😂, I think you forgot to mention a couple more faction "bonuses" she is known for: 1). -50% hero action cost (she has one of the best defeat traits in the game, esp for HEs, and 2). She provides Chaos corruption, which can result in nearby settlements rebelling and razing it. Free settlements without going to war! Plus, like you said, she buffs the best DE units in the roster and has a robust skill tree every LL should follow. 9.5 and 1st place for her from me 😎
Corruption could be a problem for too tho with the public order malus for the lack of corruption
@@dennoplit3728 It's only a problem for other races. I find it particularly useful when Malekith won't confed when you both are grabbing Ulthuan and he has one of your provincial settlements. Corruption sets in, rebels emerge, and blow it up. Take it with a newly hired lord or nearby army. Also makes trekking across the Norscan lands much easier.
Does she still get chaos corruption when confederated? I thought it's a faction-only feature. We are giving out the scores while ignoring the faction features, keep in mind.
I hope you keep doing this for more races.
Really enjoying these comparisons Legend. Can we expect a Lokhir Fellheart campaign soon? Planning my first Skaven campaign soon so Skaven comparison next please! Keep up the good work!
Watching Tz’arkan and Tyrion fight each other, is like watching two drunk people with sticks fighting.
I would love to see Skaven, Dawi or Tomb Kings
High Elves, Lizardmen or Skaven to be sure. Not sure which one I'd like to see first :>
Lizardmen would be cool to see, even though we all know Life Slann is the best LL lol
Life Slann of The Second Generation*
They buffed mazdamundi so also benefits from being a second generation life slann
@@gabrielmelnik6796 Although that Mazdamundi still have trash spells and one useless ability
@Gal Gréine Heal is too expensive compared to Lore of Life, every Slann has got this vortex, net isn't that useful when most of Lizardmen roster is meele, this ability wind is too random, this fire buff is actually powerful in range factions, like Empire or HE, single target spell is too expensive to it's damage. Comet is good for his army, because you play a lot of Temple Guard with Mazda, so you need some infantry remover
@Gal Gréine Earth Blood is AoE, so if you heal one target you're right. But if you heal 4 targets, wind of Ghyran wins
Edit: Apotheosis also gives fear, but this advantage is useless in higher diffculties
i actually like that you're focusing stictly in the lords as units and not in the faction. Since i tend to go for conderations as my main objective (when possible) it really helps me out to not mix their strenghts as LL and their strenghts as faction.
Also this way you keep it tied down in what the lord offers. If you start bringing up the faction bonuses you might also include starting position, intial challange , etc and at that point it becomes a ranking of faction and not LL.
About the magic thing that some people complain, i would agree that just giving 10 is not usefull IF this series was about ranking all lord between each other but since it ranks the lords inside their own factions i think its okey.
Just to set a random example (dont focus in the details i dont know if what im saying is right ) Warzzag is excelent for a greenskin caster giving him a deserved 10 out of 10 but is that good compared to another caster like Teclis? maybe not but how is that relevant to a ranking about Greenskins lords? Greenskins cant have Teclis, fuck they cant have more than 3 lores of magic, so how is it relevant to the greenskins if X or Y are better casters?
so i think that giving caster 10 or 9 as combat prowess is a good idea for the purpose of this series, if people really want to know who is the best caster is then you do a different video focusing on that.
Now while i agree in principle, there was a good comment about really good is the lord as a spellcaster when you consider the adition of heroes to his army. does it have unique spells? does it have some skill related to his ability to cast? does it have the best lore that faction can offer? This are question i belive are relevant to their battle prowess.
Going back to the greenskins, Warzzag would still deserve his 10 because 1) he has the best lore the greenskins can have 2) he has early acces to the best spells of that lore 3) he has abilities that affect the cost and CD of one of his best spells
But for example, would Settra deserve that 10 just because he is an spellcater? i mean if one doesnt use or see much value on his spells then that automic 10 would become more questionable if the rest of his skills dont compensate for it.
also i vote for skaven, yes-yes. Sadly i know that my boy Queek is gonna be number 5 because CA has done him dirty compared to the other skaven lords (and even LL in general)
edit: fuck i forgot that Trencht also exists so MAYBE Queek isnt the bottom of the barrel after all.
'Almost every spellcaster is 10/10 because magic is just that valuable. There are only few exceptions, like maybe Malagor.'
That didn't age well xD
Malus actually gives a +10 melee attack to all units in his army at full possession (Or after you confederated him) so there is that going for him in terms of army buffs
Great video! More of these please. I'd like to see lizardmen next
Really like these sorts of vids, helps me decide my next campaign
I was pretty sure for that. I've seen a lot of campaigns and every DE lord, so I have some bit of knowledge. I really like this series of rating and I learn a lot about the Warhammer through you. I have no preference of which race you do next, on condition you complete the series doing every race in the game, good or evil (but those who know me and what I've passed in my professional carreer know that I am dedicated to good vs evil thing, so I tend towards High Elves, aka pointy-ears, and afterwards Humans, aka roundy-ears...). Have a nice time.
Quick correction for Malus - you said he has 2 health bars. Thanks to the heal from the Warpsword, he actually has 3.5 as his replenishment pool resets when you transform into Tzarkhan. This makes him one of the tankiest lords in the game, as he gets passive ward save, good healing and multiple health bars.
I love these. Please make these for the rest of the races!!
Try High Elves next
@Joshua Pawlak HE are pretty obvious, though. Legend plays them regularly so I doubt testing will change his ranking: Allarielle > Tyrion > Alith Anar > Teclis = Eltharion > Imrik. Something like this
I wonder if he'll change his rating for Tyrion like he did for Malekith since his army bonuses don't really apply for sisters.
@@andrewtobias4545 I think Tyrion is still good, but he may chnage eveluation for Ikit as he does not buff any units Legend recommmends for late game.
@@dmitriyk.2890 I'm pretty confident he'll get the 10/10 bc he does give -50% upkeep to weapons teams which isn't exactly outclassed by any other generic skaven lord for army bonuses. It really depends on how consistent and objective he wants to be with his rankings tho.
@@andrewtobias4545 looks like I missed this point.
Ah. Please make more vídeo like this. They are amazing
Nice video! How about Lizardmen next? Skaven would be cool too but I think lizardmen have greater potential for surprises when analyzed.
You should do a "Best unit for each faction" video. A lot of TotalWar TH-camrs have done them, but they all focus on multiplayer, it would be interesting to see a purely campaign perspective.
Oh, nice. Another one of those. Always appreciated. Maybe Dawi next?
Between Malekith and Morathi I would put Malekith first, because in campaign he plays with untainted mechanic, rather than chaos corruption as Morathi. Only because plying with untainted is way easier.
Nice vid
Then again; Those half price heroes make Master spam even more powerful.
You forgot about Hellebrons slave decline rate, which preserves your slaves, which give you income. Good enough for me.
I've never really played Dark Elves before to be honest, but now i'm interested in giving it a try; thanks for the rating! Might as well play momma and turn Ulthuan into a chaos waste for her little boy.
Great video Legend! Great editing Mrs. Legend!
I mean, Ik the unique mechanics aren’t taken into account, but Hellebron’s death nights and starting position should put her higher on the list
Faction mechanics aren't counted because they're tied to the faction itself, not the Legendary Lord and disappear completely when that faction is confederated.
This is a lord comparison video, and everything you described is about hellebron's faction. Maybe we can pester legend to do a faction comparison series next haha.
Honestly her death night mechanic is mostly irrelevent since the army can only raze settlements and you lose slaves by having it attack enemy cities/armies. Also the cost to your slave population is beyond annoying throughout. Only when you capture the Gaen Vale and Quintex does it become decent with the permanent +2 PO (i think) or +6 PO temporarily if you want to sacrifice some slaves (which can be a significant amount of income since the sacrificed slave populations are not controlled by the player).
Overall I think Malus has better faction mechanics since it only costs money to use it, it gives more PO, and it gives lots of growth.
@@andrewtobias4545 yeah, for one turn. Hellebron's mechanic lasts several turns and actually allows you to push forward instead of being forced to babysit every province for rebellions, not to mention 20% damage reduction vs melee debuff of malus.
@@andrewtobias4545 it's not irrelevant at all. At like turn 10 an army made of hydras and top melee units will be razing elven settlements. It is super good
Adjustments to the score system are excellent👌
I was just starting my campaign with Malekith recently and just confederated hellebron, thinking she was boring but not sure. What a lucky timing for this video.
I usually stick a few diciplined mages in her army with fire or shadow magic (melee buffs and debuffs) send her over to Norsca with sisters of slaughter and shades and roll over the melee focused factions there. Decent time. She gets the insane trait usually so her melee attack starts going crazy
She isn't a great LL imo and tbh I would rather have a dark sorceress lord on a dragon in command of any army than her bc of the arcane conduit and power of darkness (roughly 3-10x better than AC depending on winds reserve) which I can couple with a fire or shadow (preferred lore) mage hero for extremely good winds recharge rate.
good work and keep these videos up! i really enjoy them
I'd like to see the Tomb Kings next.
Good update to your rating system
Malekith should get a higher score because his local bonus can make his home province in no time tier 4. Super fast growth with four regions and his bonus and reduced buildingcost bonus is amazing. Fill it with slaves really fast and he also has Malas by his side.
Great video, I really like this series. Personally I don’t think a LL should get a 10 in combat if they don’t have a mount or the mass to pick and choose combat where they please. For instance Malus, Grimgore and my personal favorite Vlad are both really good in combat due to their stats, and survivability ( plus magic like Wind of Death on Vlad). However, if you cannot reliably get that lord where they are best suited to use their abilities I do not think that deserve a perfect score, no matter how much ass they can kick when they eventually get there.
Great video! Liked this one a lot better than the green skins one.
Morathi is one of the most fun campaigns in the game. surrounded by enemies, challenged on all sides and with one of the strongest legendary lords spell casters in the game. One of my first legendary campaigns and there were so many fights I'd end near 1000 kills with morathi because we HAD to win a battle.
Good stuff. Just wondering why upkeep reduction counts against command ability. I think there is a case to say upkeep benefits, as they are financial, are campaign benefits. Its effectively moving the same dial as say tax increases or money from ports so I'd say would make more sense in the same bucket.
Vampire counts next? You've said in the past that they all are somewhat equal, but they all do it differently. Vlad has best commander skills and best melee (and is the daddiest). Mannfred is the best caster and gets best mount (and is the cuntiest). Isabella has best army buffs (and is the hottest).
Ghorst I've never played, but his mount seems hilarious, so easy 10/10 there :)
And as a bonus, could throw the Lahmian bloodline vamp queen there for comparison to reach 5 lords, I think they are easily the best one available via bloodline mechanic. And Red Duke is basically just a Blood Dragon with unique name.
I'd like to see the Skaven next personally.
I would really like to see a skaven LL comparison, Because alot of people say that Skrolk is better than Ikit and I would like to see the difference between the.
The summary post-its are nice :)
gonna be doing a Vampire Count one? also including the Bloodlines? That would be great in terms of which bloodline is more effective
Love this videos man and I hope you get many views so we can see more of them. How about Lizardmen?
I was literally just thinking which Dark Elf lord would be best for a new campaign, because I've never really given them the time of day.
Thanks Legend.
These videos don’t consider the faction features, only their lords, just a word of caution. You may find for example that even though Morathi kicks major ass, her faction really sucks. Mandatory chaos corruption makes it difficult to play and even more difficult to revive legendary lords for confederation as the rebels you spawn will be chaos not dark elf. Malekith’s faction is probably the best one to start a campaign with as you shouldn’t have too much trouble getting all the other legendary lords and get an easy start.
Good video mate , lizardmen next :D
Great video. I hope malus gets a rework eventually, he is super lackluster in campaign and MP.
I don't think it's objective to say Malus is bad at factionwide effects without including his posession meter in the analisys. It does offer quite a lot for growing and controlling your territory.
Malus is currently the second best LL to pick, Malekith being the first one for his comfy start position and for, well, controlling Naggaroth, and Iron Mountains being probably the best province to fill with slaves & safest to control.
Hey man, great vid, quick correction: Soul stealer is from Dark, not Death. Otherwise, bang-up job!
The irony of using Malagor as the standard for a bad caster when discussing Morathi lol
Hope you're going to do every faction... want to see high elves next though
I would love to see the Britonnians ranked. That or the Vampire Coast
Going to ask for bretonnian lords next.
Really enjoy the content, keep up the good work
Nive ámd informmative comparison i love
I am already suscribed,always watch your videos, but cant do it on-line .
But keep going ;)
Waiting for the high elves lord comparison (all know about allariel hehe) :)
12:33 Malagor might not get a 10/10.
That hasn't aged well haha
nice video I learned something from it but I disagree about Morathi. I completed multiple legendary campaigns with her and never went insidious. Tenacious feels to me a lot lot better. Upkeep reduction will allow you to have 2nd army early in the game, 5% ward save for all units, magic items drop chance for that sweet blue powerful items, diplomacy with chaos factions will help you befriend skeggi in case they are not very friendly. I can't imagine playing her without the tenacious skill. I like what you said about her skill tree I wished she had like 10 more skill points :D...I play her with going full yellow with spells and melee stats. She is a spellcaster lord but she is the best spellcaster in the game...no other spellcasters can solo dragons. With her, you basically don't need a doomstack because she is a doomstack on her own. I had many battles where all my units were dead or routed yet she together with heroes secured the victory. Tbh Malekith might be on a dragon but he is nowhere near as durable as Morathi is because of her regen and soulstealer and debuffs from her items and skills and items. So for me at least tenacious Morathi > Malekith. For the next video, I would like to see the lizardmen as I love all of their LL and they are all pretty cool and fun to play so it interests me to know how would they fare in your analysis.
You should do vampire counts next
Morathi is insanely powerful in battle. I like to give her a hydra stack so she saves a lot of skill pts on not having to go red line. My last game I gave her a death hag hero with the helm of discord and armor that reduces melee attack by 5, which altogether reduced nearby infantry to 0 melee attack and like 10 melee defense lol
Great video thanks Legend!
For morathi there's the global recruitment of sorceresses too. Also I get that it's the Lords and less so the faction buffs but the blark ark recruiting at each port for lokhir is also handy. (honestly not sure if that's mods anymore or not)
Vote for Skaven
Know ikit has to be #1 and prob snikch #2, but would love to see your breakdown of each LL
So I have a suggestion for the next video.
So far you have only rated the lords in a vacuum without taking their factions into consideration, and while that is understandable I think it is a mistake for 2 reasons. 1st, the most reliable way to get access to a lord is to play their faction, so the majority of the time players want a specific lord they play the appropriate faction and so get the faction bonuses as standard, and those are sometiems just as impactful as the actual lord. Second, when people talk about lords they often talk about the factions themselves. I.E when people say stuff like "Ikit Claw is fucking nuts" or "Grom is amazing" that is partially due to the actual lord, but it has just as much to do, perhaps even more to do, with the Forbidden Workshop and Grom's Cauldron, which are faction buffs. Not taking these into account means not evaluating everything that goes into picking lords. A similar thing goes for starting position, the start has a lot of impact on difficulty due to your starting regions, units and neighbors, and weird faction mechanics like Morathi's faction having Chaos corruption. It heavily impacts campaigns and really ought to be included.
IMO, the best way to do it is to make the comparison primarily a faction comparison where you go over everything. Main focus on the lords themselves unless something about the faction is important enough to dive deep into, the rest gets a shorter overview, then rank the entire factions, not just lords. Then at the end, a separate list for just lords in a vacuum. Since you would already have gone over each lord in the faction overview you could get away with just a short recap of each lord and rank them quickly at the end.
Finally, I vote for Skaven for the next installment.
Though it honestly doesn't make a huge difference in this particular case. Morathi, Malus and Hellebron would get less points(since their faction mechanics are mainly about avoiding penalties) but it wouldn't make a difference in their order. Cult of Pleasure would still be better than the Blessed Dread even if the Chaos Corruption is annoying.
Can you make high elves next?
Yeah, High Elves or Lizardmen seem to be the best choices as they have the highest number of available lords.
Can you do vampire counts next please?
My favourite faction
Huh, Morathi eh? I though Legend wouldn’t even “rate” her
Please do a Lizardmen and Wood elf Battle Lord review
I wish they would rebalance LLs so they all had useful campaign/army buffs. If their battle presence is higher/lower that's fine.
Also, I didn't hear you mention Lokhir's 50% increase to slave income.
Definitely love this video format
In mortal empires Lokhir Fellhart has quite a hard time since Lustria is a mess, superhero bowl because of shrinking of Lustria and western and southern jungles.
But if you take Vortex map into consideration since the factions and lords are more spread out he is not having a hard time establishing a stronghold in Lustria, he boosts corsairs which are pretty good early game units as well as making them cheaper.
Then while in the mid game dark elves got a huge economy boost from the slaves and you can easily phase out corsairs for shades. Also after the initial challenge Lokhir is literally unstoppable in the Vortex map due to his starting position. He can go deep in Lustria, he can invade Ulthuan or can use fortress of dawn as a staging ground to launch an invasion on the western jungle.
He is strategically more valuable than Morathi regardless.
Lokhir's start in Mortal Empires isn't bad, and I've been able to regularly get Itza off my back by beating the shit out of Pestilens to get an NAP with them. After that point you can pretty much just take the entire eastern coastline with little issue, as an added bonus once you've done that and you start moving into the lustrian interior your Black Arks can sail over to Nehekara and just sack the everloving hell out of all the coastal provinces to feed your war machine.
@@S3Cs4uN8 It isn't the worst but not enough to be considered not bad. Lustria in ME is messy. It's unnecessary and waste of time to play Lustrian faction in ME. All the interesting sections of Lustria and western jungles are cut off. And the ocean is smaller in ME, it takes away the naval encounter advantage of your black arks with free doomstacks residing as reinforcements to the invading army
I think giving a 10 just for being a spell caster is a bit excessive. For example, for Malekith the optimal strategy as far as I'm concerned is to entirely ignore his spell casting since you start with a fire sorceress anyway and Fire magic beats the pants off of Dark magic, instead you finish off the blue and red lines entirely before thinking about spell casting. A true 10 in spellcaster has to either get great spells with no/few points spent (e.g. Ikit Claw spamming Warp Lightning on turn 1) or get some truly massive bonuses/discounts (e.g. Wurrzag with his incredibly cheap foot of gork). For spellcasting lords like Malekith or Morathi you otherwise often aren't even putting points in their spellcasting until level 30 or so.
Otherwise agree with the ratings, good breakdown. It's ridiculous that Malus is a way better lord when you don't start as him.