Tretch has the best diplomacy lines, though. So i suppose that's one saving grace. " Treaty-pact possible, but only if you stand in this exact position!"
HAIL! The Empire would like me to inform everyone this video is a fabrication for this no such thing as "ratmen" or "skaven" please go on your day in sigma's name
Tretch provides one ability that Legend didn't mention, the vanguard ability for his entire army. When I've got a weapons team army that allows for better positioning on the battlefield to start. Not that it would change the ranking but does add some benefit.
Indeed, vanguard deployment is huge, but mostly for melee oriented armies. I guess someone taking advantage of the skaven range weaponry would not mind that much vanguard deployment
I can see Ikit as Palps, considering he shoots lightning and has access to WMD, but Skrolk as Vader? Yes, he has a wheezing voice, but Vader didn't smell bad (or did he...)
Thing I like about Tretch is that he’s the sanest of the legendary skavens. The rest are (with the possible exception of sniktch) just not quite right in the head.
Just wait until Thanquol gets added to the game. Have you ever asked what it would be like if Teclis was a giant rat that snorted warpstone cocaine? Wonder no longer.
We we have no idea what you mean! Stick him dirty virulent plagues - NO antisocial disdistancing! Throw him in mutagen he needs 2 heads to think better better! strap him to BOOM BOOM rocket! YES YES!
These aren't artilleries, these are dinosaurs which happen to carry ballistas... The dinosaurs are the main thing here, the artillery is just a bonus...
I feel like Tretch should be given some credit for the ability to give vangaurd deployment to the entire army. I've had a lot of games where I decimated the enemy archers and artillery immediately because I put rat ogres and hell pits into their back line. I don't think this was mentioned in the video.
The quick faction rundown at the end was cool and I think it could be added to future lord ranking videos, sometimes a lord is better than the faction they're in and vice versa. Especially for newer players it would be interesting to have a general idea of the faction power.
Great to see Skrolk getting some love for a change. When I'm playing other Skaven clans, he's actually the one I prefer to grab more than even Ikit Claw. Having the ability to straight-up recruit plague priests with not just vermintide, but maxed plague and arcane conduit? Insane. Each new army from that point feels like it's online immediately. He's even surprisingly decent in melee (read: at tying down enemy units while you shoot them), with little to no skill investment.
Glad to see my boi Skrolk getting some love, i do believe he's quite underrated. Notably, recruiting plague priests at such a high level is really valuable. Also good job on including a brief comparison of the various clan mechanics at the end; these comparison vids are really useful when picking which campaign to try next, or which DLC to buy
@@michael35889 I would highly recommend playing with 2 mods - Recruit Defeated Legendary Lords + Re-Skill confederated Lords /it applies to Defeated Lords too....True it takes out the thrill of racing against time, but in my last 3 skaven campaigns Skrolk got deleted within first 30turns, there is no way I could ever confederated him in time....and you get the bigger chance to get those juicy trait of far away LL as the mods applies to AI too....
Wasn't Tretch's entire thing in the lore that he was a great strategist? Like a Skaven Sun Tzu? I feel like they could have given him more unique mechanics to reflect that instead of just making him blow
Well he does get vanguard deployment for his army like Vlad which is really good for a weapon's team. I confederated him into my Moulder campaign and gave him an army just to see if I can make use out of him. He ended up being the most useful along with Throt himself.
Hmm could be interesting yeah. Don't think it's that easy for LM besides the number 6 and 5 spot (gotta be Tiq Taq Toe and kroxi boi). Top 1 might be mazdamundi and number 2 might be kroq gar. Strongest Faction is clearly Cult of Sotek, but since that isn't factored in I'd expect Tehenhauin to probably come in third (though he'd probably be number 2 in battle power behind Mazdamundi). Mb TOP 2, but not too familiar with Kroq Gar and Mazdamundi. I'd guess Gor'Rok is number 4.
Legend said he will only make such videos if new DLC for the faction comes out. So no Lizardmen anytime soon but WE viodeo will be up a few days later.
@@sonyponygaming2471 Oh, not facetious at all. I think that's pretty widely agreed as well. Let me elaborate. We are talking purely faction here (separating it from Tehenhauin, since you can always confederate legendary lords anyways). CoS has by far the strongest campaign mechanic of the LM. Arguably, it is the strongest only by the merit of it being one out of two for LM, but I genuinely think their sacrificial altar is probably around the better ones out there in general. Now why is it actually that good? Personally I love that it boosts Red Crested Skinks to a point where they are actually viable, even on legendary, but that's not really why it's good. The main reason is that Tehenhauin gets access to a follower that reduces upkeep for the entire army ... and you can equip this on heroes as well. It's the only lizardmen faction that can get free armies basically. Which is massive for a faction who's biggest weakness is economy. There's some other good stuff there as well like global growth, movement rate or public order, but the followers are the big one.
Really good video Legend, I appreciate that you briefly discussed the faction mechanics and how they rank up that is something I feel has been missing from your other ranking videos. Keep up the great work.
I think we're gonna need a Starting faction power comparison video in the future, cuz some lords aren't that good but their specific faction mechanics are amazing.
I remember Legend saying that he won't do lords comparisons until the next dlc is out. And just yesterday I thought 'Maybe we'll get one soon. Probably skaven or wood elves.'
Over the last week or so he repeatedly said he'd like to do them before the dlc comes out on stream. Wood Elves and Skaven that is. Seems like he got to Skaven first (even though he originally thought about doing welves first).
Awesome video again! I'd really like an added faction rating as well, if you wanna make that. Because, especially with Skaven, Ikit Claw is especially strong if he has his forbidden workshop etc
One thing in defence of Tretch - Vanguard deployment for ALL his army is very useful for arty and weapon teams, cause it gives much more options to find a good place for them. For example, there is a map, when you and enemy has a small deployment area at right corners, but there is a big high hill at the left-bottom with one narrow entrance. Putting catapults and weapon teams there allowed me to win a lot of High Elf invasions.
I respect your decision to not put clan mechanics in for the lord comparison but you must consider that CA balance's the lords in accordance to the faction mechanic so I'm not surprised that the scaven's got these scores at all, since most of them have there own unique mechanic that is incredibly useful. Great video, love your work and i cant wait for the next.
Great video, love this series, the only thing worth mentioning and it feels like Legend is aware himself is that it would be great to have faction comparison on top of that. Maybe it is worthwhile to make a bit shorter video for all factions, like Skaven, where the faction bonuses and powers are evaluated, with some points given from starting legendary lord.
I was actually genuinely expecting Skrolk to be no. 1 because he's such a powerful asset even when not playing as Pestilens. Weapons teams armies with a bunch of extra plague priests recruited with full summoning capability right out of the gate? Yes please!
Tretch can provide a factionwide bonus, but you either have to start as him or acquire him before he gets his Lucky Skullhelm. During the quest for the Skullhelm he gets a choice which applies a trait which provides a factionwide effect. Because the AI doesn't do the quest it doesn't get the trait. They're not very good, but one does give -5% build cost factionwide.
glad your making this kind of informative content again legend! Try to see how much views your informative video's get, its absolutely your best content! Everyone appreciates a person's opinion who has such a good knowledge of the game and such a passion for it!!
I think you will have taken it into account, but just saying that I think the +2 recruit rank for ALL weapon teams from Ikit is actually pretty strong. Since you will propably recruit them, having them start at a higher rank is always useful.
After 1.1k hours of playtime I did my first Skaven campaign ever as Clan Skryre and on legendary difficulty. Never thought I'd say that, but it was super fun as they're a straight up broken race. Lots of utility, always ambushing and super strong units. The fact that you can boost up main cities to level 5 is insane, too. Funny thing was that Rictus defeated the Dark Elves and ruled the north, Mors and Eshin did their thing in the south, while I went up to the north into Reiland so in the end basically the entire map was Skaven.
Thank you Legend rn isnt the greatest time but I've been watching all your videos every day and catching some of your steams which a nice break from everything else
@Несгибаемый Оджас It was recruitment capacity for Chieftains +2 (new hero type). The special building in the capital should also make them availible from the start, if I remember correctly.
Blind: infinite power I hope one day Skrolk gets the Mortis Engine effect, his Aura of Pestilence ability is not so good. Also he has the diplomatic relation perk with all skaven faction that the grey seers get.
My favorite skaven lord getting the number two spot and Legend admitting that the lore of plague is a top 5 lore of magic, man X-mas presents have come early. A nice video to watch and a very good analysis. Now we only have to see what rank Thanquol will get when he makes his entrance in game 3.
snikch also has a stat reduction to enemies when he ambushes. also, queek on release 10/10. old menace below 1shotting necrofex was actually a thing lol.
Great video man, been waiting for this. Couple of surprises, but it mostly makes sense. Feels like Snikch should get a bit more commanding power for Contract Loopholes, since it saves you more money than Skrolk or Ikit's upkeep reduction traits in the long term. But my army compositions might just be different from yours, so fair enough. Love the videos, man.
I kinda figured Tretch, especially with tomorrow having all stormvermin give Encourage on Skaven (counterintuitive to his retreating and losing buffs, but still) would put him higher than Queek at least
Was anyone surprised Ikit landed first pick, he's everything that's great in the skaven roster and is exactly how legend likes to play. Range, range, and more destructive range.
But i want to be sneaky-beaky like :C. Snickh my waifu. He so many times turn almost impossible situations into win. And yes, ninja squad with 2-3 assasins who almost singlehandedly capture whole stormhold is pretty good you know) Or wipe out enemy lord in heat of battle and escape with(i don`t know original name of it, but in our localisation it`s something like "rat prowess") trough disrupted infantry. But most importatly, you can fight when you want to cuz all of eshin clan will have smoke screens AND your runners has armor piercieng attacks.
Skrolk as the #2 isn't surprising to me. I've always said he was a really strong LL, and the faction plague mechanics really do strengthen the faction as a whole and make what would otherwise be difficult battles trivial.
As a relative newcomer to Total War Warhammer, I would be very interested to see what you think has changed in the last 4 years. Not just on Skaven, but on all the factions' lords. I know you kind of go into it with the tier list, which I really liked, but these are a lot more in depth and the scoring system makes it pretty fun. Still, hearing your thoughts on the game in detail is really fun, outdated or not.
Nice video. Agree generally. Maybe I'd give +1 point to Queek's factionwide score for public order bonus. Also Tretch has vanguard deployment for the whole army. It's super useful for weapon team army, so I'd give him 7/10 for commanding.
Won't Tretch's +13 melee attack and vanguard be good for broodhorror army? Even if you've caught during the end-turn and can't ambush - retreat. You'll get the bonus either if they attack you the second time or if you ambush-attack them the next turn.
Tretch needed just a little bit more of buffs to be the perfect meme Lord. He has a peculiar luck and the capacity of failing upward, make him replenish more troops after he lost a settlement or give him a chance to "redirect" attacks towards other Skaven Lords..something like that. Or give him even more ambush related shenanigans
If i had to rough outline it. Lightning Strike is the most broken thing in this game, always get it first with the possible exception of ambush armies. (Skaven/Alith anar) Then spell casting/any lord specific traits that look good. Id say these are about the same value. Then red line for any missle buffs, especially Range or ammo buffs Then either finish out the blue line, or invest into yellow if the unit could use it. There's exceptions to this, but generally speaking I think thats a good framework if you're ever unsure where to put points.
When you went through that list I wasnt surpised once :) Since we exclude Workshops / Pits etc ! - as a side note for those reading this ... it took me 2 years to realize that u can spread pleague on your own encampent as Pestilance and it actualy boosts you :)
Okay im glad you mentioned it at the end of the video cause was gonna say that thanos snap is like so op it would make death master a easy 10 out of 10 but taking the faction out of it I can see completely where your going and agree.
The SFO mod adds alot of legendary lord specific mechanics to the skaven. Such as a research tree focused on plague for skrulk. Or a stormvermin research tree for tretch. You can make plague monks crazy powerful in SFO as skrulk
Getting knocked down a lot will matter a lot less tomorrow since they're making everyone much sturdier, so knocking down our weeblord Skaven boy will happen a lot less.
I m getting a mixed feeling of not including factions mechanics in the lord evaluation. It makes a lot of sense when you compare the lords within a faction, but when comparing lords of different "races" its not so obvious. Kudos anyway, I really enjoyed this vid!
Tretch has the best diplomacy lines, though. So i suppose that's one saving grace.
" Treaty-pact possible, but only if you stand in this exact position!"
Many-many stormvermin between me and you-you
"The painters moved your desk, sir."
"Ah, yes-yes"
"MEAT-FLESH! GET IN MY GUT-GUT! Hhhn. Hhhhn. Sorry-sorry. Am so hungry..."
“You don’t impress me, elf-thing! I can run-flee faster.”
"A Pact, good, to seal bond I just need to spray my-my MUSK on you!"
Legend trying his best to genuinely compliment Tretch is hilarious.
Dude the vanguard for the whole army is pretty good the rest is shit
@@nzoth66 Oh? And tell me where are your old doomflayers? Be nice ~
@@nzoth66 Also his campaign movement range and increased ambush success chance are pretty good
Why would you think vanguard deployment on Skaven is useful? When as Skaven you should always ambushing the enemy anyway.
@@aeriawindsor4722 bc vanguard deploy its like an ambush every battle even if they atack u dah!!
Tretch Craventail is #1 in our hearts. "Stay here I'll get help!"
Why are you saying this-these things? Does he have-keep you-your family?
Also Tretch is the only one who won't have to give up a legendary weapon to steal the Widowmaker for himself.
"I lead, from rear!"
Hugs for tretch
Yeah, Tretch is a good boy, why everybody bully him? :(
3 skaven disguised as a man ranking the power levels of their superiors.
We've come full circle.
Legend is definitely the leader of the skaven
Legend is the horned rat
Remember when he hated the skaven?
@@The_RazorCode that was before warhammer total war 2 Vietnam
I would appreciate Tretch more if he had a giant spoon to go with that giant fork of his in battle.
@@Asraeks -You fool-dumbed me!
-We-ous is SKaven Dumb-Dumb!
I das this fork and thought first for real? Did he come from gardening before battle? Funny feature xD
comically large spoon
@@Asraeks now i want this animated
HAIL! The Empire would like me to inform everyone this video is a fabrication for this no such thing as "ratmen" or "skaven" please go on your day in sigma's name
yes-yes no skaven in emipre-manfilth lands, please-please pay no thought-mind to the cave-dens being dug under your city yes-yes!
@@josephmclaughlin933 ......Sir I'm pretty sure this guy is one of those Rat things
@@grimdarhk lies!
I think we clearly found some Heretics! We shall be dispensing Warrior priests at once .
@@Lionheart6667 No-no not come in cave. We no fight, no enemy of manlings. No trap-trap here
Is Alarielle a cyber-rat that can ride two different rat wheels of death?
Didn't think so.
Cyberrat 2077.
She rides Tyrion and Malakith, so I guess that counts?
@@khosrowzare8301 and the phoenix king
So this is what makes good rat.
Tretch provides one ability that Legend didn't mention, the vanguard ability for his entire army. When I've got a weapons team army that allows for better positioning on the battlefield to start. Not that it would change the ranking but does add some benefit.
Oh, yes especially when you’re attacked by two armies, that works wonders
this alone elevates him to #1
Yes-Yes! POINT BLANK RATLING GUNS DEATH KILL!
Indeed, vanguard deployment is huge, but mostly for melee oriented armies. I guess someone taking advantage of the skaven range weaponry would not mind that much vanguard deployment
"I don't find myself revolting that much" Oh Legend, we don't think you're revolting either!
Legend is absolutely revolting. He is simply breathtaking.
LegendofTotalWar: Alarielle is 10/10 lord
Me: Yes, but does she have nukes?
@@mcmarkmarkson7115
Flash info: Lothern (cuz Avelorn got confederated) no longer exist while a big rat with 3 knives laugh
@@untyprandom9319 wut
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 But its not a nuke (: so not as cool
He does not rate lords on Faction effects. Nukes are faction.
@@generalharness8266 he wasn't criticizing the video.
Ikit Claw and Lord Skrolk, the only two Skaven Legendary Lord spellcasters are basically Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine.
Beautiful.
I can see Ikit as Palps, considering he shoots lightning and has access to WMD, but Skrolk as Vader? Yes, he has a wheezing voice, but Vader didn't smell bad (or did he...)
@@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm I thought of Ikit as Vader and Skrolk as Palps. The aesthetic and theme I guess. Although the lightning makes sense.
Surely Skrolk would be Plageuis, because... plague...
Okay I'm going...
@@OniGanon I thought he'd be more of a nihilus.
24:19
Watching Ikit Claw yeet za lady off screen then laugh afterwards was something I didn't know I needed
Thing I like about Tretch is that he’s the sanest of the legendary skavens. The rest are (with the possible exception of sniktch) just not quite right in the head.
great power comes with gread madness, yes yes
Sanity
Just wait until Thanquol gets added to the game. Have you ever asked what it would be like if Teclis was a giant rat that snorted warpstone cocaine? Wonder no longer.
@@fuchsmichael93 Thus said Uncle Ikit?
We we have no idea what you mean! Stick him dirty virulent plagues - NO antisocial disdistancing! Throw him in mutagen he needs 2 heads to think better better! strap him to BOOM BOOM rocket! YES YES!
"1 menace below is capable of dealing with any artillery unit in the game."
*Confused lizard noises*
Made my day 😂
add some wood elf noises too i guess
These aren't artilleries, these are dinosaurs which happen to carry ballistas...
The dinosaurs are the main thing here, the artillery is just a bonus...
@@dostayer3369 bah, semantics :p
HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
"I don't find myself revolting that much" , good on you and your self-steem x)
The factions that revolted the most for me was ovn Albion and chaos dwarf factions
@@Someone-lg6di ah man those chaos dwarves are so powerful I loved it. Albion was kinda meh, probably because of that crappy start position.
I feel like Tretch should be given some credit for the ability to give vangaurd deployment to the entire army. I've had a lot of games where I decimated the enemy archers and artillery immediately because I put rat ogres and hell pits into their back line. I don't think this was mentioned in the video.
This is my most anticipated for me personally as a devoted believer of the cheese.
Jeff smiles on you brother!
The quick faction rundown at the end was cool and I think it could be added to future lord ranking videos, sometimes a lord is better than the faction they're in and vice versa. Especially for newer players it would be interesting to have a general idea of the faction power.
I going to start my first skaven campaign soon and the faction run down at the end makes things so much clearer
*Timestamps* 🎬🎥
00:41 Tretch Craventail
05:08 Deathmaster Snikch
08:46 Queek Headtaker
12:36 Throt the Unclean
15:43 Lord Skrolk
19:39 Ikit Claw
Most of the OP Skaven stuff really lies in the faction abilities themselves of the DLC factions rather than the legendary lords in the end
IKIT The One True RAT ABOVE THEM All YES-YES !!!!!
If you have any doubt that Claw is the best-best, then this clip will change your mind: 24:18 - 24:25
Cracked me up.
Clan Skryre reigns supreme!
we've been waiting for this
Yesyes
Far too long long
If Tretch isn't no 1 I'm comeing to Australia to coughing on Legend.
Better get your ticket ready.
Spells of plague
Well he was first that’s something right?
1st means last in upside down land, so he's safe I guess.
Well, he *is* number 1 but from the wrong end of the list
Great to see Skrolk getting some love for a change.
When I'm playing other Skaven clans, he's actually the one I prefer to grab more than even Ikit Claw. Having the ability to straight-up recruit plague priests with not just vermintide, but maxed plague and arcane conduit? Insane. Each new army from that point feels like it's online immediately.
He's even surprisingly decent in melee (read: at tying down enemy units while you shoot them), with little to no skill investment.
Glad to see my boi Skrolk getting some love, i do believe he's quite underrated. Notably, recruiting plague priests at such a high level is really valuable.
Also good job on including a brief comparison of the various clan mechanics at the end; these comparison vids are really useful when picking which campaign to try next, or which DLC to buy
Skrolk is a really powerful lord. And the highest value confed target if you're not playing as him.
@@michael35889 I would highly recommend playing with 2 mods - Recruit Defeated Legendary Lords + Re-Skill confederated Lords /it applies to Defeated Lords too....True it takes out the thrill of racing against time, but in my last 3 skaven campaigns Skrolk got deleted within first 30turns, there is no way I could ever confederated him in time....and you get the bigger chance to get those juicy trait of far away LL as the mods applies to AI too....
Wasn't Tretch's entire thing in the lore that he was a great strategist? Like a Skaven Sun Tzu? I feel like they could have given him more unique mechanics to reflect that instead of just making him blow
There's a mod for that but hope some point he gets a well deserved buff
Well he does get vanguard deployment for his army like Vlad which is really good for a weapon's team. I confederated him into my Moulder campaign and gave him an army just to see if I can make use out of him. He ended up being the most useful along with Throt himself.
Trench was done dirty and is still being done dirty
Tretch was always my favorite character in WH Fantasy and remains my favorite character in Total war. Love the geezer.
finally! altough we already know basicly whos da best but i rly like those vids. Lizardmen also have 6 ll so maybe next time them then?
Hmm could be interesting yeah. Don't think it's that easy for LM besides the number 6 and 5 spot (gotta be Tiq Taq Toe and kroxi boi). Top 1 might be mazdamundi and number 2 might be kroq gar. Strongest Faction is clearly Cult of Sotek, but since that isn't factored in I'd expect Tehenhauin to probably come in third (though he'd probably be number 2 in battle power behind Mazdamundi). Mb TOP 2, but not too familiar with Kroq Gar and Mazdamundi. I'd guess Gor'Rok is number 4.
Legend said he will only make such videos if new DLC for the faction comes out. So no Lizardmen anytime soon but WE viodeo will be up a few days later.
@@theStamax you saying the cult of sotek is the best is facetious right? And if not, why do you think that? Genuinely curious.
@@sonyponygaming2471 Oh, not facetious at all. I think that's pretty widely agreed as well.
Let me elaborate. We are talking purely faction here (separating it from Tehenhauin, since you can always confederate legendary lords anyways). CoS has by far the strongest campaign mechanic of the LM. Arguably, it is the strongest only by the merit of it being one out of two for LM, but I genuinely think their sacrificial altar is probably around the better ones out there in general.
Now why is it actually that good? Personally I love that it boosts Red Crested Skinks to a point where they are actually viable, even on legendary, but that's not really why it's good. The main reason is that Tehenhauin gets access to a follower that reduces upkeep for the entire army ... and you can equip this on heroes as well.
It's the only lizardmen faction that can get free armies basically. Which is massive for a faction who's biggest weakness is economy. There's some other good stuff there as well like global growth, movement rate or public order, but the followers are the big one.
Queek has a base of 420 weapon strength. Dank.
Really good video Legend, I appreciate that you briefly discussed the faction mechanics and how they rank up that is something I feel has been missing from your other ranking videos. Keep up the great work.
Lore of Plague is a really good lore of plague, got it.
It's better than Eshin lore, that's for sure
I think we're gonna need a Starting faction power comparison video in the future, cuz some lords aren't that good but their specific faction mechanics are amazing.
High elves are defiantly beginner friendly with a not crazy starting position, good lords and a powerful roster
Snikch running with high elves like "yes-yes, I elf-thing too"
Queek is the best and the true king of the eight peaks, yes-yes!
brutally cunning gobbo says otherwise
He's gonna get killed-murdered yes-yes
Even before watching this video: Ikit is the number 1, Yes-Yes!
For what i've seen about Throt, i think so. Not that i would complain, if it keeps power creep under control.
probably Skrollk
Tretch all the way. If someone gives you 10.000 to 1 odds take the bet!
I remember Legend saying that he won't do lords comparisons until the next dlc is out. And just yesterday I thought 'Maybe we'll get one soon. Probably skaven or wood elves.'
Over the last week or so he repeatedly said he'd like to do them before the dlc comes out on stream. Wood Elves and Skaven that is. Seems like he got to Skaven first (even though he originally thought about doing welves first).
@@theStamax I didn't watch any of his streams lately. I want to experience the DLC fresh, not after seeing everything on youtube.
*”Skaven Engineering is Greatest-Best in the world! yes-yes!”*
Been waiting for this :)
Awesome video again! I'd really like an added faction rating as well, if you wanna make that. Because, especially with Skaven, Ikit Claw is especially strong if he has his forbidden workshop etc
His lord comparison videos are always super interesting, glad he made more
Lord Ikit Claw not ten-ten out of ten-ten? Oh boi-man, you are in big trouble-boom! *Loads ratling gun*
One thing in defence of Tretch - Vanguard deployment for ALL his army is very useful for arty and weapon teams, cause it gives much more options to find a good place for them.
For example, there is a map, when you and enemy has a small deployment area at right corners, but there is a big high hill at the left-bottom with one narrow entrance. Putting catapults and weapon teams there allowed me to win a lot of High Elf invasions.
^This - that vanguard has saved me from being stuck in the middle of a forest or at the shit part of a hill a few times.
Thank you for throwing in the quick bit at the end about the rankings of the Clan mechanics.
I respect your decision to not put clan mechanics in for the lord comparison but you must consider that CA balance's the lords in accordance to the faction mechanic so I'm not surprised that the scaven's got these scores at all, since most of them have there own unique mechanic that is incredibly useful. Great video, love your work and i cant wait for the next.
YES! Im so glad Legend is doing the legendary lord comparisons again
Great video, love this series, the only thing worth mentioning and it feels like Legend is aware himself is that it would be great to have faction comparison on top of that. Maybe it is worthwhile to make a bit shorter video for all factions, like Skaven, where the faction bonuses and powers are evaluated, with some points given from starting legendary lord.
Hey Legend just want you to know, these legendary lord power comparisons are the best videos you've done since your Top 5 series. Thanks man.
Love watching your videos. Always makes me hyped to go play when I get off work.
I was actually genuinely expecting Skrolk to be no. 1 because he's such a powerful asset even when not playing as Pestilens. Weapons teams armies with a bunch of extra plague priests recruited with full summoning capability right out of the gate? Yes please!
Yeah, Skrolk is an extremely powerful LL.
13:24 “increases his speed... especially on the big fatso”.
Throt would like you to know he’s only big-boned, not fat.
Somebody should mod in Big Smoke voiceover for Throt the Unclean
@@ggleplussuxx4787 "I'll have 2 number 9's, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, 2 number 45's and a large soda, yes-yes!"
@@BarnacleBoy42069
All you had to do was find-follow the damn warpstone-thing, slave!
Glad to see the power comparisons back
The good thing about Tretch is that he could be used as a baseline gauge of how to be a good legendary lord.
Tretch can provide a factionwide bonus, but you either have to start as him or acquire him before he gets his Lucky Skullhelm. During the quest for the Skullhelm he gets a choice which applies a trait which provides a factionwide effect.
Because the AI doesn't do the quest it doesn't get the trait.
They're not very good, but one does give -5% build cost factionwide.
been waiting for this for a long while
glad your making this kind of informative content again legend! Try to see how much views your informative video's get, its absolutely your best content! Everyone appreciates a person's opinion who has such a good knowledge of the game and such a passion for it!!
really well done video legend!!! keep up the awesome content
I find this list, under your listed criteria, EXTREMELY difficult to disagree with. Well-thought-out, well-researched and well-reasoned.
I think you will have taken it into account, but just saying that I think the +2 recruit rank for ALL weapon teams from Ikit is actually pretty strong. Since you will propably recruit them, having them start at a higher rank is always useful.
That was a fun video, thanks for breaking down the information :). Have a nice day.
Onto lizardmen next, love the power comparison videos
After 1.1k hours of playtime I did my first Skaven campaign ever as Clan Skryre and on legendary difficulty. Never thought I'd say that, but it was super fun as they're a straight up broken race. Lots of utility, always ambushing and super strong units. The fact that you can boost up main cities to level 5 is insane, too. Funny thing was that Rictus defeated the Dark Elves and ruled the north, Mors and Eshin did their thing in the south, while I went up to the north into Reiland so in the end basically the entire map was Skaven.
I enjoy these power comparison videos, I'd love to see a lizardmen one next bae
The number of times Legend had to tell people on stream to wait for this.
My Tretch campaign was the most fun I’ve ever had in a total war game, somehow he just brings out my inner skaven.
Thank you Legend rn isnt the greatest time but I've been watching all your videos every day and catching some of your steams which a nice break from everything else
Thanks legend was really looking forward to this
You did not include the new faction buffs for Tretch and Quiek in the new update, but they probably woundn't change the ranking anyway.
@Несгибаемый Оджас It was recruitment capacity for Chieftains +2 (new hero type). The special building in the capital should also make them availible from the start, if I remember correctly.
Blind: infinite power
I hope one day Skrolk gets the Mortis Engine effect, his Aura of Pestilence ability is not so good. Also he has the diplomatic relation perk with all skaven faction that the grey seers get.
My favorite skaven lord getting the number two spot and Legend admitting that the lore of plague is a top 5 lore of magic, man X-mas presents have come early.
A nice video to watch and a very good analysis. Now we only have to see what rank Thanquol will get when he makes his entrance in game 3.
Finally the most awaited video of the year!!!
snikch also has a stat reduction to enemies when he ambushes.
also, queek on release 10/10. old menace below 1shotting necrofex was actually a thing lol.
"I don't find myself revolting that much"
Well, it's good to have a positive self-image.
Great video man, been waiting for this. Couple of surprises, but it mostly makes sense. Feels like Snikch should get a bit more commanding power for Contract Loopholes, since it saves you more money than Skrolk or Ikit's upkeep reduction traits in the long term. But my army compositions might just be different from yours, so fair enough. Love the videos, man.
I kinda figured Tretch, especially with tomorrow having all stormvermin give Encourage on Skaven (counterintuitive to his retreating and losing buffs, but still) would put him higher than Queek at least
Was anyone surprised Ikit landed first pick, he's everything that's great in the skaven roster and is exactly how legend likes to play. Range, range, and more destructive range.
I knew he would be top and I knew trench would be bottom
But i want to be sneaky-beaky like :C. Snickh my waifu. He so many times turn almost impossible situations into win. And yes, ninja squad with 2-3 assasins who almost singlehandedly capture whole stormhold is pretty good you know) Or wipe out enemy lord in heat of battle and escape with(i don`t know original name of it, but in our localisation it`s something like "rat prowess") trough disrupted infantry. But most importatly, you can fight when you want to cuz all of eshin clan will have smoke screens AND your runners has armor piercieng attacks.
Hmm, well ill eagerly await Lizardmen and Tomb Kings aswell, still alot of good info here as usual Legend.
By far my favorite video series from legend
Lizardmen Lords next?
"I don't find myself revolting THAT much", ya same here man :/ sad times.
Awesome comparison vid!
Skrolk as the #2 isn't surprising to me. I've always said he was a really strong LL, and the faction plague mechanics really do strengthen the faction as a whole and make what would otherwise be difficult battles trivial.
Throt is really good in the areas I care about so I'm excited for the update, what I've pre-purchased.
As a relative newcomer to Total War Warhammer, I would be very interested to see what you think has changed in the last 4 years. Not just on Skaven, but on all the factions' lords. I know you kind of go into it with the tier list, which I really liked, but these are a lot more in depth and the scoring system makes it pretty fun. Still, hearing your thoughts on the game in detail is really fun, outdated or not.
Nice video.
Agree generally.
Maybe I'd give +1 point to Queek's factionwide score for public order bonus.
Also Tretch has vanguard deployment for the whole army. It's super useful for weapon team army, so I'd give him 7/10 for commanding.
Gotta love how craventail is leading from the back
Thanks for the comparison Legend!
Need that dwarf comparison tho 👀
Finally, it was like ages!
Won't Tretch's +13 melee attack and vanguard be good for broodhorror army? Even if you've caught during the end-turn and can't ambush - retreat. You'll get the bonus either if they attack you the second time or if you ambush-attack them the next turn.
Tretch should have an ability that allows him to summon Stormvermin, similar to what Throt has that allows him to summon Rat Ogres.
Tretch needed just a little bit more of buffs to be the perfect meme Lord. He has a peculiar luck and the capacity of failing upward, make him replenish more troops after he lost a settlement or give him a chance to "redirect" attacks towards other Skaven Lords..something like that. Or give him even more ambush related shenanigans
Can you make videos in this style where you go through a faction and say how best to level up their lords and heroes?
If i had to rough outline it.
Lightning Strike is the most broken thing in this game, always get it first with the possible exception of ambush armies. (Skaven/Alith anar)
Then spell casting/any lord specific traits that look good. Id say these are about the same value.
Then red line for any missle buffs, especially Range or ammo buffs
Then either finish out the blue line, or invest into yellow if the unit could use it.
There's exceptions to this, but generally speaking I think thats a good framework if you're ever unsure where to put points.
Yaay! More power comparrison videos!
When you went through that list I wasnt surpised once :) Since we exclude Workshops / Pits etc ! - as a side note for those reading this ... it took me 2 years to realize that u can spread pleague on your own encampent as Pestilance and it actualy boosts you :)
24:25 french lady having a ride on a skaven low rider lol
Okay im glad you mentioned it at the end of the video cause was gonna say that thanos snap is like so op it would make death master a easy 10 out of 10 but taking the faction out of it I can see completely where your going and agree.
The SFO mod adds alot of legendary lord specific mechanics to the skaven. Such as a research tree focused on plague for skrulk. Or a stormvermin research tree for tretch.
You can make plague monks crazy powerful in SFO as skrulk
Inquisitor men in black appears in my bedroom...You never saw big rat with weapons....
Getting knocked down a lot will matter a lot less tomorrow since they're making everyone much sturdier, so knocking down our weeblord Skaven boy will happen a lot less.
Finaly a LL power comparison, I love this type of videos.
I m getting a mixed feeling of not including factions mechanics in the lord evaluation. It makes a lot of sense when you compare the lords within a faction, but when comparing lords of different "races" its not so obvious. Kudos anyway, I really enjoyed this vid!