WHO IS DA BEST? Greenskin Legendary Lord Power Comparison

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  • Which Greenskin Legendary Lord is overall the best for campaign in Total War: Warhammer 2. Each Lord is rated from 1-10 on 3 categories: Battle Skill, Commanding Skill, Faction Buffs. This is kind of a top 5 list. This should not be taken into account for multiplayer.
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  • @ultimaratiostupidi
    @ultimaratiostupidi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2629

    Next video: WHO IS DA BEST GORK OR MORK!? KOMPARATIF ANALIZIZ

    • @BigPapaKaiser
      @BigPapaKaiser 4 ปีที่แล้ว +322

      MORK IZ BEST! *Krump*

    • @Ake-TL
      @Ake-TL 4 ปีที่แล้ว +322

      GORK IZ BEST! *Stomp*

    • @KuuraHelmi
      @KuuraHelmi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      @@BigPapaKaiser GORK IS DA BEST YA DUM GIT! I BASH YA TEEF IN!

    • @EmperorTyrael
      @EmperorTyrael 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      WEEZ GOT UNUVA GOD NOW. DORK.

    • @commanderbernhardt5317
      @commanderbernhardt5317 4 ปีที่แล้ว +112

      That's a hard one. Gork is cunningly brutal, but Mork is brutally cunning.

  • @barker505
    @barker505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1219

    I'd be interested in a lizardman legendary Lord's list. They all seem very different in terms of roles

    • @aleksanderwertynski9870
      @aleksanderwertynski9870 4 ปีที่แล้ว +129

      Slan mage of life, is the best legendary lord :D

    • @user-om3wn4yb8q
      @user-om3wn4yb8q 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Aleksander Wertynski Lord Kroak?

    • @Prushinthespirit
      @Prushinthespirit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Perhaps Kroq-Gar is gonna be first. He is strong in combat, provides useful buffs and reduces upkeep of monsters in his army. Faction wide, he isn't that great if I remember...

    • @jeanduhamel9101
      @jeanduhamel9101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Антон Волков doesn’t count, it is a hero not a lord

    • @ralphy4813
      @ralphy4813 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      They play differently
      Mazdamundi - Leader/Buffer
      Kroq-Gar - Army General/Glass Canon but offer buffs to armies
      Gor-Rok - Absolute Tank/1 man army / John Wick of the Lizardmen
      Tehenhauin - Skirmisher/hit and run/Skaven like
      Nakai the Wanderer
      - Horde like mechanic
      Tiktaq'to - Airforce Commander

  • @adventure_skaut
    @adventure_skaut 4 ปีที่แล้ว +479

    "Grimgor is the worst orc LL"
    [Wurrzag dancing in the distance]

    • @tavernburner3066
      @tavernburner3066 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The lore has been broken

    • @razaz03
      @razaz03 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And woz he nerfed? Almost done with my tw3 playthrough so naturally getting tw2

  • @LegendofTotalWar
    @LegendofTotalWar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1822

    *Hey guys, if you like this one and want me to do another race's lords let me know down below which race you want me to cover next. Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't. It doesn't really do anything and you won't get notifications most of the time and it doesn't really help me out at all, but just do it because numbers are cool*

  • @JerkyMurky
    @JerkyMurky 4 ปีที่แล้ว +392

    *Sees number 5*
    OOO! Thats spicy!

    • @jabloko992
      @jabloko992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      only if you don't watch Legend regularly, I think all of his regular viewers saw that one coming from a mile away

    • @hammurabitheawesome674
      @hammurabitheawesome674 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@jabloko992 Was about to say that. Let's be honest we all knew what was going to be last when he said that his 5th spot may be controversial.

    • @thedeviousgreek1540
      @thedeviousgreek1540 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That 30% post battle loot though..

    • @schmultt
      @schmultt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man urinates on fellow passenger for not being aloud to smoke

  • @AzureRoxe
    @AzureRoxe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Of course Wurzzag is the best.
    Have you SEEN his dancing?

    • @pile-o-nonsense3688
      @pile-o-nonsense3688 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wurrzag, more faithfull to his gods than any Chaos Worrshiper, more insane too.

  • @mmbr20
    @mmbr20 4 ปีที่แล้ว +627

    Hey Legend just gotta mention, like many others, I love these type of analytical series and hope you continue to do more like them.
    There are plenty of TH-camrs covering the multiplayer aspect of the game, but I feel we're lacking quality campaign breakdowns which you specialize in.

    • @jabloko992
      @jabloko992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      I'd say he specialises more in cheesing the ever living fuck out of everything and winning no matter what. You could give legend 3 drunk goblins, a leaky boat and -10,000,000 debt and he will somehow win with that.

    • @cazyalligator8693
      @cazyalligator8693 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@jabloko992 Yeah, I bet he'd first disband the leaky boat

    • @Noobie2k7
      @Noobie2k7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah but it wasn't good or analytical. He'd talk for ages about how bad something is and then give it an 8/10 anyway. That is pointless. Like how he did nothing but rag oon Grimgor and how bad his is at combat late game, how he never catches up to anythiong, how he's super one dimensional, then give him a 9/10

    • @Pitibrother16
      @Pitibrother16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Noobie2k7 you didn't listen to what he was saying then

    • @Noobie2k7
      @Noobie2k7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Xandroy the IGN rating system. Worst game ever. 7/10.

  • @chua.69
    @chua.69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +411

    this looks like a great format, would love to see on the other races as well :)

  • @PapediVoD
    @PapediVoD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    it was expected - just look at those sick dance moves while he crushes dwarfs with gorks foot!

  • @boreale5581
    @boreale5581 4 ปีที่แล้ว +412

    "There is no spellcaster in the game thats as good in melee as Azhag and no melee lord in the game that is good as spellcaster as Azhag"
    Mannfred von Carstein wants to know you current location.

    • @thetrustysidekick3013
      @thetrustysidekick3013 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Mannfred in SFO is crazy too.

    • @2456214
      @2456214 4 ปีที่แล้ว +104

      I would also put Malekith and Noctilus in this category.

    • @ggleplussuxx4787
      @ggleplussuxx4787 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@2456214
      Noctilus sucks at damaging in melee, comparatively speaking. He's more of an artillery/tank hybrid. Necrofex colossus has bad animations and rather pathetic damage output in melee. And he's got so much important shit to level, that it's better to have a dedicated caster captain.

    • @matan8074
      @matan8074 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@thetrustysidekick3013 SFO?

    • @kazorikumo9765
      @kazorikumo9765 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Not a legendary lord, but the new High elf Incendiary High mage Lords. Once they get on their Dragon they are unstoppable, also a wide variety of magic to choose from is something I would put up there too. Oh, and Ikit is a caster too, with ok magic but well, he's basically immortal.

  • @_Muzolf
    @_Muzolf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Aww, however much he falls back, Skarsnik will always be my favorite. How can you say no to the guy who gets born (spawned?/grown?) as the lowest of the low, the runt of a species that uses his kinds name as an insult, but pulls himself up to kick around or murder all those who bullied him.

    • @davidkrapensits4367
      @davidkrapensits4367 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This is why I like grom because hes for the goblins he is the biggest goblin and he will use goblins to destroy all in his path giving them hope in my opinion

    • @hippokrates4494
      @hippokrates4494 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidkrapensits4367 haha :D it is fantasy not real my friend. And greenskins are mushrooms. They feel not like humans and like to destroy and kill.

    • @davidkrapensits4367
      @davidkrapensits4367 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hippokrates4494 they do but some are a bit different than others and i am aware it isnt real but it is sill fun to talk about, that's what fantasy is for.

  • @LoremasterLiberaster
    @LoremasterLiberaster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    7:10 - Teclis and Arcane Phoenix have left the chat

    • @BENJAMOSAURUS
      @BENJAMOSAURUS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Malekith has left the chat

    • @alittledeath2817
      @alittledeath2817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Luthor Harkon and Terrorgheist left the chat
      How did no one mention Mannfred von Carstein on zombie dragon? He and Malekith are probably the strongest ones in this archetype.

  • @wurrzagdagreatgreenprophet3392
    @wurrzagdagreatgreenprophet3392 4 ปีที่แล้ว +182

    I'm da best cuz I gots Gork n Mork on me side!

    • @patrik9328
      @patrik9328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Wurrzag Da Great Green Prophet Oi, Shaman! Do a Mork’a dance for da boyz?!

  • @1mgoingtoregretthis
    @1mgoingtoregretthis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    This kind of feels like a political attack ad against Grimgor

    • @DDD-sl7xp
      @DDD-sl7xp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Grimgor is cool in MP. Legendary campaign forces you to cheese. All units except of archers, artillery and monsters are useless thanks to AI buffs.

  • @dovahkiindragonborn3950
    @dovahkiindragonborn3950 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    By the end of quarantine I’m going to end up looking like Grom

    • @hernanreipp6983
      @hernanreipp6983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And I will end like Wurrzag in the sense that I am practice tribal dance.
      Seriously the guy that fucked up the world sure looks like lord Skrolk.

  • @SimoLInk1698
    @SimoLInk1698 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    27:40 That guy REALLY pissed off Mork, or possibly Gork.

  • @clamclosia
    @clamclosia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    This is awesome Legend! Would love to see Brettonia, Dark Elves and/or Empire next.

  • @Luritel
    @Luritel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    I really enjoyed this. I'm relatively new to the game, so it's handy learning about the different legendary lords. I'd like to see one about the Empire or Vampire Counts.

    • @MrZestyOnion
      @MrZestyOnion 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I have over 400 hours and I still learn a lot from these videos! I mostly play on normal difficulty and prioritize themed armies rather than cheese, but it's good to learn about effective tactics or builds too.

    • @cwedi3960
      @cwedi3960 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thing is with like empire its fairly obvious that franz and volkmar suck then forest boi and n1 goldie boi. Not worth doing a vid on that

    • @ragoth6207
      @ragoth6207 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As a guy with nearly 3K hours, I'm still learning something new.

    • @BulletFestival
      @BulletFestival 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Vampire Counts, seconded! I have many hours (though I don't claim to actually be any good) and I always learn things from both Legend and Zerkovich.

    • @Olav_Hansen
      @Olav_Hansen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      with legendoftotalwar having 6000 hours, even he learns something new every now and then.

  • @BrokenSymetry
    @BrokenSymetry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Fully agree about Da Green Prophet being number one. Foot of Gork can singlehandedly win you battles, and he can spam that stuff like it's a fireball. I actually refrain from using it more than twice a battle because it feels like a cheesing, but he can easily cast it half a dozen times. That's why any non-monster unit based army gets obliterated by Wozag.

  • @capttelush539
    @capttelush539 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    “There’s no better hybrid caster melee lord” laughs in teclis pigeon

    • @karkassmith3858
      @karkassmith3858 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Okay teclis pigeon is the stupidest thing ever...he never rode it in the books...he is also SUPPOSED to be squishy like the nerd he is.

    • @JB-xl2jc
      @JB-xl2jc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@karkassmith3858 I do remember him making a sword but I can't remember it doing anything other than magical-ness. It does fit his ingame Phoenix affinity, but like, he shouldn't be dueling melee lords. I also wonder how he and Mazdamundi stack up against each other in the lore spellcasting wise... I could swear Mazda should be able to wipe the floor with him, but I actually think Teclis is pretty much even with him as the best general caster in the game (only being beaten in one category- Damage, by the Vamp Counts' winds). Fascinating

    • @Amphion0
      @Amphion0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JB-xl2jc In the game, I don't know. But in the lore, I kinda feel like Teclis is regarded as the best magical user alive and one of the best in history, no?

    • @JB-xl2jc
      @JB-xl2jc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Amphion0 He's considered similar to a "Caledor reborn" (which is a bit of a misnomer because I don't really think Caledor DIED but that's a whole other story) in that he's a prodigious Elf who mastered magic and is one of the best Elven casters of all time, and certainly much better than anything the Dark Elves (Morathi has millenia of experience on him but he's more talented), Wood Elves, Humans, Vamp Counts etc could produce. Mazdamundi however is the greatest of the Slann priests since Lord Kroak, and is purportedly able to do some of the things that Kroak was able to do, including some magic that affects entire continents. I don't know if the lore ever outright says one is better than the other, but both have some pretty insane exploits. Mazda is immortal and many Millenia old though, so he does have an experience edge on Teclis. Hard to say.

  • @bobbyheisler6558
    @bobbyheisler6558 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    These are my favorite types of videos. I'm really only a casual at this game (dont really have the time anymore) so it's great to have someone who really digs into this stuff! Do High Elves next because they all seem pretty decent.

  • @MrUnreal9111
    @MrUnreal9111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    This is a great series idea! Looking forward to other factions!

  • @journeraesri
    @journeraesri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    this is great! always my number 1 source of warhammer 2 strategy wisdom. i would greatly appreciate a lizardman ranking video next!

  • @DrEtzor
    @DrEtzor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Tbh, Grom has some ridiculously powerful goblins, i took Ulthuan completely with nothing but Grom's army of goblins, the goblins had like almost 70 melee attack at that point, so even when the goblin archers ran out of ammo (they had armor piercing instead of extra ammo) they could go slap the enemy with ridiculously high melee attack, it was interesting to see dragons killed by goblins.

  • @TorremThonius
    @TorremThonius 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    “He gets a Wyvern”
    Why you gotta do my boy Skullmuncha dirty like that 😢

  • @redelephantsdotnl
    @redelephantsdotnl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +220

    Did you take Skarsnik's free lighting strike into account? LS at turn one is awesome.

    • @bodhisfattva7462
      @bodhisfattva7462 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      if he did he didnt mention it

    • @Grothgerek
      @Grothgerek 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      You missed the first 5 min? Its a faction ability.

    • @taylor189
      @taylor189 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It's nice that it is free but lightning strike is rarely utilized early on, much more useful mid to late game

    • @redelephantsdotnl
      @redelephantsdotnl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@Grothgerek Fired up the game to double check, but no. It's Skarsnik's Lord trait.

    • @Hezzers
      @Hezzers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@taylor189 I certainly got some real good use out of it in my campaign when I traded capitals with Belegar (I think I won that trade), then he just kept 3 armies there along with Karl Franz popping down to help out. Skarsnik disassembled that lot bit by bit very swiftly with multiple Lightning Strikes.

  • @dustysdisciple
    @dustysdisciple 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I absolutely love this series idea. Definitely continue it!

  • @james_chappers
    @james_chappers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoyed this format, looking forward to seeing the next one. Would love to see High Elves or Empire

  • @Turgon86
    @Turgon86 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "So if you got a blob of Arachnorok Spiders, or Giants (...GOD FORBID)"
    Died there

  • @jabloko992
    @jabloko992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    before the video, my prediction of the ranking:
    1. Wurrzhag
    2. Azhag
    3. Grom
    4. Skarsnik
    5. Grimgor
    Edit: almost

    • @thehistorians5231
      @thehistorians5231 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      damn so close

    • @jabloko992
      @jabloko992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@thehistorians5231 I thought Azhag would rank higher due to his magic, but I never played Grom so I wasn't aware of the chariot shenaniganry.

  • @mattwood7256
    @mattwood7256 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice review Legend, thanks for taking the time to produce this.

  • @alfarabi73
    @alfarabi73 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a very comprehensive and well-reasoned analysis. I'd like to see you expand this type of faction LL analysis to others - esp. the ones I play a lot such as Empire, HE, Dwarf, et al.

  • @Bel-0-kan
    @Bel-0-kan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    "Azhag is the best hybrid lord" *sad Malekith noises*

    • @FuelDropforthewin
      @FuelDropforthewin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      The vampires and vampire coast are both doubting this assertion.

    • @bernddasbrot3563
      @bernddasbrot3563 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FuelDropforthewin Teclis agree.

    • @torquevonthorne948
      @torquevonthorne948 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bernddasbrot3563 Do you mean Eltharion?

    • @kavitiko335
      @kavitiko335 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Ikit Claw is preparing kill devices in the corner.

    • @bodhisfattva7462
      @bodhisfattva7462 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@FuelDropforthewin ikit claw would also protest

  • @bigj1905
    @bigj1905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Legend of Total War: “Sheymen”
    Me:’Visible Confusion’

  • @ThGaming69
    @ThGaming69 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please do more of this, it's so informative, I learned a lot from your video.

  • @baconga_
    @baconga_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually really enjoyed this video and hope you keep this up as a series for all the lords

  • @valentinotto88
    @valentinotto88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    7:15
    "There is no melee lord in the game that is as good a spellcaster as him"
    Mannfred von Karstein: Let me introduce myself

  • @calinfroicu7433
    @calinfroicu7433 4 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    isn’t malekith the best hybrid lord in combat?

    • @LegendofTotalWar
      @LegendofTotalWar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +208

      Yes I suppose so. Malekith is actually one of the 5 lords that are 10/10 so he is 2 points higher than azhag anyway.

    • @calinfroicu7433
      @calinfroicu7433 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      LegendofTotalWar yep, thanks for the reply. and who are the other 10/10 lords?

    • @sevthegamer8976
      @sevthegamer8976 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@calinfroicu7433 alariele, Wulfrik, tyrion (i believe) not sure for other or if it has changed,

    • @gustafmannerheim9720
      @gustafmannerheim9720 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I don't think dark magic is better than death magic. But I do believe Ikit Claw and Luthor Harkon are better hybrid lord.

    • @quannguyenminh6203
      @quannguyenminh6203 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@calinfroicu7433 Mannfred, Tyrion, Settra,

  • @eldred7779
    @eldred7779 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve been going on a binge of all these videos, loving them - maybe a related idea is to rate each faction for each race at some point? I’m relatively new to the game, so I know I’d find it useful

  • @Nicayle
    @Nicayle 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved it! Looking forward to future episodes

  • @N0ahface
    @N0ahface 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I know it's a faction ability, but Azhag having no penalty for temperate climates makes him the #1 for me in Mortal Empires. I also think his waaagh ability is underrated. It gives every unit fear and terror, it's basically an instant win in the early game.

  • @postmortem6049
    @postmortem6049 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    7:10 Malekith: "Am I a joke for you?"

  • @hawktangerine405
    @hawktangerine405 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this type of video comparing the lords of a faction to each other.

  • @VicaryCoMyjeGary
    @VicaryCoMyjeGary 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's great, would love to see more on other races and some tutorials for build path as well!

  • @krzysgorny1775
    @krzysgorny1775 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    GRIMGOR STILL DA ' BEZT

  • @Juria1987
    @Juria1987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Grimgore: I'M DA BEST LORD
    Wurrzhag: *Lord of the Dance*
    Grom: *Lord of the Paunch*
    Azhag: *Lord of the Shiny Death Hat*
    Skarsnik: *Lord of the SNEAKY STABBINGZ!*
    Grimgore: ...Okay...

    • @jellydamgood
      @jellydamgood 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Grimgor is the lord of da krump. He krumps the hardest, but damn If it doesn't take a long time for him to get to his krump target.

  • @mathewhuff1157
    @mathewhuff1157 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    love videos like these man

  • @Bolverk117
    @Bolverk117 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this type of video, and I can’t wait for more like this one.

  • @mrbastone1992
    @mrbastone1992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    Hey Legend great video but I have a question about something that you bring up quite often in your evaluation videos. You often say that alot of bonuses that apply to early game units vs late game elite units are weak in comparison. But would it not be true that especially on legendary difficulty the most difficult portion of the playthrough is the very beginning when you really only have easy access to the early tier units? So would buffs and upkeep reductions to the basic core troops actually put in more work during this difficult portion of the game rather than a late game unit where perhaps you already have alot of settlements or gold to the point where things like upkeep reduction and stuff isn't as impactful? Perhaps im overexaggerating how long the early game is, but in alot of other strategy games bonuses that apply early and consistently rather than later and more situational (even if very powerful) are generally considered better. I will defer to your thoughts on this since you have much more experience in Legendary difficulty than I do. Thanks again for the video bud.

    • @sparkmagea99
      @sparkmagea99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      My two cents. Early game is really short in comparison to late game as late game can essentially be as long as it takes to finish all the victory requirements or full map completion. In my experience, "early game" is like the first 30-40 turns. Enemies are fairly well defined and limited, and they haven't had a chance to build up a bunch of full stacks with all gold chevrons. Early game can be railroaded or rehearsed to give the most optimal path as well. Whereas when you get to mid and late game trying to play optimally on the campaign map gets harder and more unpredictable. There are also not really early game doomstacks, so I imagine part of the evaluation goes into doomstack boosting.

    • @jabloko992
      @jabloko992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@sparkmagea99 While early game is indeed supposed to be only the first 30-40 turns, you can end up being stuck with early game units for much longer than that, because stopping and replacing your primary lord's army is time consuming and hiring a new army just so you can give your old lord a new army is bloody expensive, plus he may be far away from your highest level region where you can do your recruiting.
      I do agree that early game units can be useful a lot longer than Legend gave them credit in this video. (and can help you get the snowball rolling early)

    • @sparkmagea99
      @sparkmagea99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jabloko992 Yeah good point, those boosts certainly have value in those circumstances. I'd guess you aren't striving to maintain those early game units though and would like to move past them given the opportunity. Boosting units you'd like to tech out of seems counter-productive from a pure efficiency point of view.

    • @mrbastone1992
      @mrbastone1992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ya I mean these are both valid points, and it's certainly going to depend on faction/unit/starting location to some extent as well. I only bring it up because often in games like these you can kind of snowball if you have enough early momentum, and sometimes even though in an absolute sense it's less efficient to get upgrade to troops you plan on replacing later, the early game tempo you gain by having some advantage early can equal or in many cases surpass the value of late game advantages.

    • @lief3414
      @lief3414 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You have a point that early is more difficult and your only army needs to perform well at low price nad never get wiped compared to late where you have multiple, therefore the starting one is far less relevant, especially if it's so overboosted it can get the job done without min/maxing. The problem wiht boosting low tier units is that you will inevetibly replace them and your lord has only 39 points to spent. Almost every point early gives you significant boost therefore buffing your units (unless you need to spent points in red line anyway) isn't as necessary compared to the plethora of options you have. In other words you always plan your LL build for lategame partially because it's more cool.

  • @hitzkooler15
    @hitzkooler15 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Groms battle stats dont appear to be that great at first sight but he keeps performing incredibly well in battle. There is that fish spell you can get via his cauldron (it doesnt look like much too but is really good) that will help him to eliminate infantry stacks in a matter of seconds!

  • @Samiqmojo
    @Samiqmojo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really useful. Probably a fair bit of work. Look forward to seeing rest of these

  • @TheTeccala
    @TheTeccala 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good work on this vid. Detailed explanations are what is keeping me listening and wait for the next vid.

  • @Sorloth12345
    @Sorloth12345 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    28:18 time to send in a bloated corpse stack for "saving your disaster campaigns" :'D

  • @Wywern291
    @Wywern291 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Azhag is kind of the best hybrid lord"
    *Mannfred* *von* *Carstein* *wants* *to* *know* *your* *location*

  • @agenttommy1
    @agenttommy1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the informative series you do on TWH2! Things like this and faction / lord overviews

  • @Blitzkrieg0321
    @Blitzkrieg0321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please do Dark Elves next
    Love this video format as well and would love to see this for all of them, great content all around and informative

  • @morphispiz9746
    @morphispiz9746 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    y u bullying grimgork ?

  • @Ireyn100
    @Ireyn100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    will you gonna cover all LL on each races?.if yes cover skaven and their changes from the latest patch pls.
    btw,why dont you look at each of their faction effect (not from global bonus of LL skill tree) into consideration?

    • @sevthegamer8976
      @sevthegamer8976 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He is covering the lords and not the factions of them, that's why he doesn't take in consideration the faction effects.

    • @gustafmannerheim9720
      @gustafmannerheim9720 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would say
      1.Ikit
      2.Skrolk
      3.Queek
      4.Snikch
      5.Tretch

    • @Ireyn100
      @Ireyn100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sevthegamer8976 well,each LL are tied with faction they lead,when you play as A you will get this and this and this. and when you want to confederate (wich phase 2 or expanding),those LL will boost faction effect if they have faction bonuses.summary : 1.what faction effect is the strongest 2.what kind of buff each LL can provide when got confederated 3.what kind of good army each LL should have 4. how YOU manage those faction (wich the most important).

    • @fidelcashflow4940
      @fidelcashflow4940 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Ireyn100 the problem with that logic and he explained this in the video is a lot of the dlc lords have way more going on with faction effects than the base game lords, and it would make it unfair when comparing the two, take tretch who has some very minor stuff with diplomacy and snikch who can literally wipe out an entire faction late game with the push of a button, it's just not a fair comparison in any sense because they aren't necessarily worse, they just literally have less tools to work with.

  • @phobos9071
    @phobos9071 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this video and hope for A LOT MOR of that kind
    Marvelous!

  • @mastertama7449
    @mastertama7449 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool video definitely keep making them very helpful

  • @MrHellboy112
    @MrHellboy112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    imo all chariots should have that attack during move gimmick

  • @inbox57111
    @inbox57111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    AY CAN YOU DO'S A "WHOZ DAH SMELLIEST GIT?" ID LIKE DAT

  • @OVERCHARGEDEGG
    @OVERCHARGEDEGG 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do the rest of the races mate! Enjoyed this one.

  • @heathrushing1613
    @heathrushing1613 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these videos. Would love more legendary lord ranking

  • @Prushinthespirit
    @Prushinthespirit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Regend, I would like to see Clan Rictus or Wintertooth campaing

    • @kachnadomaci3557
      @kachnadomaci3557 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      thats some classic trolls right there if u know what I mean :D

    • @jabloko992
      @jabloko992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You will see Clan Rictus 100x sooner than you will see Wintertooth, Legend will only do Wintertooth (I think) for a challenge campaign.

  • @doktarr
    @doktarr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The approach you took is essentially "which Greenskin Legendary Lord is best to confederate?" That's a useful question, but it's not really what people usually think of when they ask "WHO IS DA BEST?"
    .
    I think it's more useful to consider the factions when considering campaign bonuses. People want to know which faction is the strongest, not a priority list on confederating. So yeah, Broken Axe is best.

    • @espatecfuet7968
      @espatecfuet7968 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Broken Axe is the best between the greenskins when you are comparing the factions, but this isn't the same as comparing the legendary lords which is what Legend is doing in this video

    • @lief3414
      @lief3414 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah it seemed somewhat misleading but at least the faction bonuses/mechanics power level usually correlates with LL power level. The system where 5 means nothing is pretty confusing as well and overall bad choice as it squishes the range. Just give negative sum negative rating, there aren't many anyway. I understand Legend wants these lists to be normalized somewhat and I like the self/commander/global categories but the game is too complex to reduce everything to one number at the end. Maybe mentioning how good each faction's bonuses are to give a better overall picture would be enough.

    • @Olav_Hansen
      @Olav_Hansen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      well if you are putting it like that you aren't comparing lords, but factions at that point. That adds the difficulty of starting position and magic item missions into the mix.

    • @doktarr
      @doktarr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Olav_Hansen I mean, maybe to a small degree, but he's already considering early campaign versus late campaign here, so that sort of thing is already in play.
      .
      When you think about it, that actually makes the list doubly weird. If I am sitting at the start menu picking a faction, I care about how good Skarsnik's starting position is, which isn't considered here. But if I am confederating later in the game, I don't care about that, but I *also* don't care about Skarsnik's boosts to early game units, which *are* considered here. So these ratings are a bit of a mash-up that don't exactly fit anything.
      .
      Also, if he does this for TK or VCoast, is he still not going to consider faction bonuses? Because they can't confederate.

    • @Mahfireballs
      @Mahfireballs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Olav_Hansen yeah what he said, if you are comparing factions rather then legendary lords you have to think about a whole lot more. And true enough you are more likely to check out this video when you are about to start a new campaign then when you are confederating. But knowing the potential of every LL counts in every campaign and I believe more people are interested in "Who iz da Best?"
      As faction specific mechanics are often quite short or "easy to understand" as in gaze the power lv. Further more if you are not talking about the full potential of a faction (and what is that once you own half the world and half the landmarks,... and items) you have to talk about the start and what there mechanics do for them and what they need. (Where they start and who they face,... determines what you need (most)) So that would make it more in a how hard or easy is this faction guide.
      So yeah there are a lot of pro's and cons to both proposals but personnally I think comparing the lords is the best thing but mentioning the faction mechanics and the impact in short seems like a good idea. But overal comparing factions will mean old world factions often stand no chanche and have nothing to say for them self (and make for a boring list and video eventhough interesting) and it be more of a campaign guide then anything in my eyes if you do it right.
      But well he could do both but 20 turn guides turned out to be not that succesfull especially not for the time that goes in to them, lets see how good this one does. Now WHII is getting more and more finished guides and... might be more relevant as they don't get so easily outdated then again how older the game the less new players there most likely are. And when WH III comes out and there might be an influx of players the guides probably get oudated or alteast are no longer relevant for WHIII.

  • @user-mu8ok5xf8d
    @user-mu8ok5xf8d 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am a bit new to war hammer and this was nice info to know. Please do more

  • @Jono793
    @Jono793 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this format. Please do more lord comparisons going forward. Don't really mind which faction.

  • @galileofrank5779
    @galileofrank5779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    another benefit for wurrzag is he counts rogue idols as savage orcs, which means he ends up giving them a massive *45*% physical resist, not just 25 like you mentioned in the video. that's basically doubling their health.

  • @ambershangout7226
    @ambershangout7226 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    But legend I had an amazing campaign once as grimgor so he is clearly number 1 (read this in legends mocking voice)

  • @whyoudoit
    @whyoudoit 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid, can't wait to see if it turns into a series which it really should do.

  • @patrickmccarthy7754
    @patrickmccarthy7754 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved this type of breakdown.

  • @xSurfuel2
    @xSurfuel2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Finally someone that tells the truth about Grimgor, appreciate it!

  • @jorne6863
    @jorne6863 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GRIMGOR IZ DA BEST ! Not 5 :(
    More seriously it was a bit logic and expected.
    He is probably harder than the others (except skarsnik) due to the fact he have 4 major factions to deal with in early-mid that always declare war on you on harder difficulties (eshin, mors, karaz-a-karak, Naggarond) and we could count 5 with Settra.
    And I agree that he isnt the ''best'' because of many factors that he dosent give like others, but I think he is still better than Skarsnik and deserve 4/5, he is better in term of power 1v1 even late, his buffs to big'uns and black orcs is strong and with iron rock and fort of the black orcs in black crag you can easy get tier 9 black orcs in mid-late. As you can rush easy tier 4 with him due to the fact black crag is strong and hard to lost if well defended, and as you can easy pick up Karak Dron and Iron rock to unite province and create more growth building.
    But yeah it's not really Grimgor himself but more faction... But let me make THE BEST OF BEST BETTER THAN EVERYONE ! GRIMGOR IZ DA BEST AND THAT'S ALL.

    • @jabloko992
      @jabloko992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      NAGGAROND?! In what world does Nagarrond declare on Grimgor? In the early/mid game? Did you mean Etaine (Tyrion)? Settra also won't declare because he either dies or loves you due to your strength rating.

    • @Evoker42
      @Evoker42 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jabloko992 Dark Elves are out on the island to the east from where you start. If you encounter them early on, they sometimes declare war on you. Which then gets Naggarond involved in hating you; but I never really see dark elves try to invade me when I play Grimgor. It's usually dwarves and rats.

  • @CRUMGRUZZLER
    @CRUMGRUZZLER 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey Legend, thanks for another good video, I really enjoyed this and found it very informative as I am still somewhat new at this game. I hope you do more ranking of lords in the future and I suggest you do vampire coast next. Peace and love .

  • @Jvcdark09
    @Jvcdark09 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh nice, love these Comparison and Ranking videos Legend, thanks!

  • @johannesreus5154
    @johannesreus5154 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The only reason why Wurrzag is da best is because he starts with a giant

    • @pile-o-nonsense3688
      @pile-o-nonsense3688 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Legend, the Meme, the absolute Unit of multiple Fractions: The Giant aka. that unit that is so bad that it got placed on tier lower in the Greenskins fractions and the only reason why your finish its building chain is so you can get better troll hags when buying them.

  • @gustafmannerheim9720
    @gustafmannerheim9720 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    No spellcaster fight better in melee than Azhag, and no melee lord casts spell better than Azhag.
    Luthor Harkon and Ikit Claw dislike the video

    • @khelgarironfist3301
      @khelgarironfist3301 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Since when Luthor Harkon can cast spells? Do you mean NOctilus?

    • @KorsAir1987
      @KorsAir1987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And Malekith and Morathi!

    • @nagash9457
      @nagash9457 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Vlad left the room...

    • @gustafmannerheim9720
      @gustafmannerheim9720 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KorsAir1987 I think Malekith is no better spell caster and Morathi is not good in melee

    • @haeZen
      @haeZen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Teclis on his Arcane Phoenix?

  • @JGeary387
    @JGeary387 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another quality video, thank you for the information!

  • @tomasplanicka2539
    @tomasplanicka2539 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video, please make this a series and make it into a playlist on your channel, this was while interesting to listen, also very educational.
    Next one I would like to hear about Dwarves, I have special relationship to them, as year ago, I used to play with my friend, and there was a prominent great green wave, at the time dwarves were hard until late game, sitting at home, and I couldn't get out with Thorgrim. But with Grombrindal, it was completly different game!

  • @ahmedben2185
    @ahmedben2185 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, and a very good series idea. Would love to see more.
    Love your content !

  • @llahyrrah
    @llahyrrah 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really liked this video! You mentioned on stream a while ago you didn't think just pitting them against each other in battle is a good comparison because there's a lot more to consider. Love getting your thoughts on these lords in and out of battle. Good idea ordering the lords in the vid too, with 5 and 1 last. Would like to see Dark Elves, I'm curious how they all compare as they're quite different.

  • @AlienCreed98
    @AlienCreed98 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice video ! Thank you !

  • @NightGamerForLife
    @NightGamerForLife 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    love the ranking video ty

  • @madmasterdiablo
    @madmasterdiablo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content! would love to see this for more factions.

  • @nickh-i9846
    @nickh-i9846 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Legend, you da best!

  • @oscarmancio2350
    @oscarmancio2350 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I knew you were wrong about bloated corpses ahah! Anyway great video, I'd love a Lizardmen or Tomb Kings lord comparison

  • @UNholy96
    @UNholy96 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this type of video, as a mediocre player I’m really interested in hearing your opinion on these things, and you’ve made me better as a player from hearing how and why things suck or don’t

  • @ScarletEdge
    @ScarletEdge 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratz on being close to 300k! It's incredible how much content you can squeeze out of one game. W3 is getting close. Can't wait for content from that one. I have 4k hours on w2 this game just can't get old for some reason.

  • @boyxgamer
    @boyxgamer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This may be my favorite Legend video to date

  • @ibun3432
    @ibun3432 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    super cool vid. answers a many live questions on stream. more like this pls.

  • @omarsan18
    @omarsan18 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really like these kind of videos. Hope you do the Empire next!

  • @SilentMorbus2
    @SilentMorbus2 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great vid thanks man,keep it up :D i'd love to see all faction comparison

  • @vascolopes9998
    @vascolopes9998 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool list, I would like you to do more of these! ^^

  • @TheWhiteDragon3
    @TheWhiteDragon3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First time in a while I've liked the video before watching it, but let's all be honest, we all know how good these guides are.

  • @dmanlip
    @dmanlip 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hearing your opinion about things like this is great content. I would love to here your opinion on more diverse topics in this game.

  • @generalrambling7035
    @generalrambling7035 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a great video. Additional things I would be interested in is how you would skill up the individual lords. You usually have to make compromises and that affects them. It's also very useful to have a skill reference when playing myself. Also it would be great if you could cover the faction's normal lords very very quickly as a baseline. That would also justify the 5/10 for no faction wide buffs. I define a 5/10 as the typical strength of a non legendary lord (typical over all factions). Considering that your video was already 30 minutes I can understand that this felt like a bit too much.

  • @larsverwaters3423
    @larsverwaters3423 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great format love to see a score cart

  • @WattToSay
    @WattToSay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    loved it! WANT MORE!!
    do for all ledgendary lords and then do a rating on the factions as a hole :D

  • @belial2234
    @belial2234 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this kind of vids