Full podcast episode: th-cam.com/video/bqeuFiAUU4o/w-d-xo.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: th-cam.com/users/lexfridman Guest bio: Steven Bonnell, aka Destiny, is a progressive political commentator and a live streamer on TH-cam. Melina Goransson is a live streamer on Twitch.
There’s always somebody with a “good reason” for taking away your rights, money, and property. Don’t be selfish; obey your altruistic rulers and defend them on the internet.
Greed and corruption will always be there, it’s about minimizing it to the point it has very little effect. What you’re saying can be applied to the other, a private entity not operating within the confines of public utility, free of regulation, will have greed and corruption as well only we know what happens *cough crypto scams especially the recent scandals that lost billions of dollars that belonged to people
@Adam Jacobs you won’t find that anywhere, the idea of libertarianism didn’t exist until the founding of the constitution, prior to that, private liberty, was not a common thought or practice anywhere in the world, so naturally you’ll be hard pressed to find any country with libertarian ideas, I mean shoot dude only 200 years ago almost every major power in the world was a monarchy, they were successful but does that make a monarchy the best form of government, no
@Adam Jacobs >big government is working well in dozens of nations Ethnically homogenous nations, you mean. That's why the US is not meant for a big government, and attempts to force it will result in a quicker balkanization.
@Adam Jacobs I'm not fond of the idea of a group of people, who have a mindset that they're "owed" something due to a historical grievance based on ethnicity, gaining control of a large bureaucratic mechanism. At which point, they proceed to "extract" personal property, such as wealth by way of taxation, from the group they perceive to have slighted them at some point of history. When it comes to a population that "looks the same", generally you have far more compatible cultures and far fewer personal gripes between tribe A and tribe B. Either way, big governments to small populations which are ethnically homogenous. Avoid the grift of "Buy Large Mansions".
And what's the solutuon to that? You can either keep electing the same 2 establishment parties, or push for bigger political change. It might suck, but the fact that the US is simply incapable of getting out of its 2 party system is proof that those parties are, to some extend, quite popular. If you want significant change, it won't come from either of of those parties.
On big government bureaucracy there just seems to be an aura of laziness There's a difference between needing forms for organisational/security purposes and 'your license has expired, please enter in a valid license number to apply for a new license'
Im lost….are you anti identification because I would think managing Ids and drivers licenses would be ineffective or corrupt if left to private parties
@@PhillipTTruong Legibility problems. The people who are high enough up in the institution to have the full information on why the institution needs to behave in a certain way don't have the specialist skills of front line workers to understand how that behavior affects their specific work tasks.
@@TheRiiiight If it's skill-based then sure, like a business or professional license. But if it's just an ID tied to your identity as a citizen/resident then it either shouldn't need to be renewed or should be renewed automatically unless opted out of.
In the beginning of the conversation, he is actually comparing trust in the government to trust in a government-regulated auto manufacturer. This is a terrible analogy.
No the car is a metaphor for all the working parts that go into government.if you are not an expert you might not know what every part does but in the end if its working car that can do the tasks of a car.
@@brettdavenport7583 watch his episode on timcast IRL (if you’re interested) he loves to deny reality. Then they show him a video of said reality happening. 😮 lol it’s hilarious.
I don't disagree with his logic on trust and institutions. The only issue is that our institutions and government are corrupt and frankly, evil. It is more optimal to have a small government, and a healthy competitive field for companies, corporations, and institutions.
I think it is not a real dichotomy. There are many levels to government in the US. If you want to have an effect on government solving problems, you should participate at the town and city level.
i was born in soviet union and live in western europe after spending almost 20 years in the united states, trusting institutions?! never. especially after the last three years, if someone still wants a big government they weren't watching the movie. as the guy is a techie, technically, a gamer, he should know more about systems. very ignorant nonconvincing argument from him.
@@PancakeProduct thing is govt is bought off by big corporations and used to stop competition like pharma using fda etc to stop private labs and then protected by govt when they mess up, perdue pharma is perfect example of crony capitalism. Better to have small government, that way corporations aren't protected. We've gone so far from free market capitalism.
Every time there is a unregulated space, the first people to cry for government intervention are the people who were celebrating it. How many times have we went through this with banking and new financial instruments? We're seeing it over and over now with crypto. Exchange gets "hacked" runs off with peoples money, or engages in crazy fractional reserve lending and after an investor panic, there's a "run" on the exchange and it collapses. I can't even think of a crypto exchange where this didn't happen, and where after it collapses, there not a call from the previous hyper-libertarians for big daddy government to investigate them and do something. Meanwhile, a "bug" was introduced into their ETH contracts, and "someone" transferred a few hundred million $ the night before to an ETH address that seems to be used by someone in the Caymans. There's a reason why we don't get bank runs anymore on savings banks, even though they engage in fractional reserve. Because we trust the US government, and FICA, to guarantee our deposits. TRUST IN GIOVERNMENT. Libertarianism is for who never grew up after reading Ayn Rand, and have not read enough history to see how systems evolve over time from simplicity to complexity, precisely because simple systems don't scale.
Been listening to you for years Lex. While in school, became a data scientist as I listened to you, and continue to expand my mind through this random, human experience from listening to you. Thank you for all your hard work! It doesn’t mean much, but my love and respect are with you!
As someone that grew up in a conservative area, we were all for the Iraq war. But we would have been behind any war at the time in 2003. If you told us that Bin Laden changed planes in Paris we would have been behind a war with France
I was a kid at the time and it’s crazy how much people were pro war then. I never understood why people would support sending troops overseas to countries none of us knew anything about.
@Shady Sheister because people were pissed and wanted vengeance. Easy playbook for government. Crisis happens, use propaganda to create scapegoat, offer "solution" that eliminates scapegoat.
Yeah... great conversation. He brings some good points, brings some bad points, Lex calls him out and brings some good points and maybe also bad ones but those points get rebutted. Its more like brainstorming conversation of what would be the most ideal for everybody...
It's not the institutions that are the problem it's the increasing corruption of them by bad actors that is the problem. When pharmaceutical companies for example are funding the body that regulates them ... That's broken.
Destiny should look into Response Bias, it would explain why wars initially are popular and then overtime become rather unpopular. In regards to polling this issue
“Bureaucracy also gives us things like safe medicine, safe water to drink, safe buildings to live in, safe cars to drive” *intense scratching noises as zombie milton Friedman attempts to claw his way out of his grave*
Economics is the one field you can win a Nobel for just making shit up to fit your ideology, rather than basing your theories on actual data. Friedman is the prime example of this.
Those are legit criticisms of bureaucracy. The problem is they all - growing indefinitely, inefficiency, corruption, etc - exist at great scale in all our corporations, as well.
Don't think Destiny can debate anyone who has that level of knowledge of history. Whenever he has debated someone like that in the past he looks terrible. He only shows up against nobodies on the internet.
@@thebest3526 that was kind of the impression i got from the clips of the Destiny Podcast. Though i haven’t watched it all yet he does seem to make claims and then backtrack them
Anyone who believes in big government has never witnessed the horrible consequences of mass incompetence with their own eyes. When you see it you can’t unsee it
@Adam Jacobs and in reality in the USA, big business has taken over the entire government and we don't really have a government anymore really, big or small! and of course, our corporate-run government and their media are the ones getting us to think a 'big government' is the enemy.
Nah. Henry David Thoreau had it correct way back when - "That government is best which governs least." Ronald Reagan also said it well when he said, the the 9 most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
The only people who want to sell you on “small government” are the people who benefit from big government. After all, if you learn to expect nothing from your Government, you will never pose a threat to the leeches eating your lunch.
Destiny seems like the kind of guy that gets mad when you say you "do your own research" and then counters every argument with "well, I've done my research."
@Adam Jacobs I'd love to hear it. I enjoy people being embarrassingly wrong about their understanding of reality and highlighting their mental slavery for everyone to see. Please enlighten us sir.
His simplistic and positive view of government and capital institutions is inspiring. It all works so well if it wasn't for those darn conservatives. People working together is good. Good thing they only do so for good. Politicians should change for popular opinion. Let me explain why we can never understand popular opinion. The only thing I know about this goofy dude is that he has high doeses of copium and a bad reaction to JRE's ivermectin.
Yet the fundamental idea of conservatism might be roughly reduced to retaining societal values. Other "progressive" political ideologies cause chaos by discarding the lessons of humanity's accumulative societal lessons.
@@jamesm.9285 Yet life is chaos. Evolving"progress" takes many forms and is not inherently evil. America almost found a system where the two perspectives could exist together (word for venom and Eddie Brock?). Makes me reflect on the separation of church and state and what was truly intended with admitting both exist.
@@bcbbarnes Chaos is inherent in life but not its defining factor - would you not say that seems more true and we must learn to walk the narrow line between chaos and order in peace (such as in the Tao Te Ching philosophy)? I'm not shunning progress, either, but "progressivism" whereby the foundations of societal value and norms and traditions are thrown out in the name of being radically "politically correct" and enforcing neo-indoctrination. Yet you make an interesting point here. There is, ultimately, a balance between contending social forces that we must learn to strike, and that will not be found in a crony capitalist or other highly-centralised power system, nor in the catastrophic act of attempting a functional communist, socialist, or otherwise Marxist society. The Ancient Greek co-dependance of state and civil society / public interest, their 'polis', represents a historical "direct democracy" all modern nations would do well to implement core aspects of.
Destiny has made the statement the no Americans died during the Afghan withdrawal. But 13 soldiers were killed in a suicide bombing at the airport. That’s not no…
There were also translators that were afghani that died. The number of people we promised to protect in exchange for working with the US was massive. I don’t have that number right now. It’s been a while since I seen it. It sounds like allot of those people were murdered by the Taliban after they were left behind.
That’s cause Destiny does not think, he repeats left-wing talking points and talks kinda quick like Ben Shapiro so he thinks he’s more intelligent than us common peasants lmao
Americans and people in general shouldn't have their rights slowly stripped from them under the guise of a "better and safer collective" we have this desire to control others and make them think our way of doing things is correct. The constitution and bill of rights was a masterpiece that should never have been tampered with.
you really misunderstood it. you need what a government does, you cant do everything a government does on your own and still have time to live. so just like you offload your time on some engineers, designers, assemblers etc you offload your time on the government.
@@zaarkeru3391 The difference is, that a Government creates nothing, they either facilitate or protect, it is the analogy I criticised, not the offloading/delegating process. Please read my words in future. Whether or not a Government is effective at facilitating or protecting is a separate discussion.
@@garylake1676 oh wow... it really does... it facilitates... thats the whole point. it does the thing you need in order to live in a stable nation. your words are wrong though. you buy the car so you can travel to work, shop, drive your kids to work etc. the car company facilitates your ability to live your life. the same way the government facilitates the needs you have to live your life... and all western government are very efficient (could be better of course) at facilitating those needs. just compare your nation to nations with shitty governments.... they all are shitholes. you hit the nail on its head though, it facilitates, which is the whole point...
This is so typical, you are arguing my point, all I said, was that the analogy was wrong. When you leave creation in the hands of a Government, it is rarely, if ever, efficient. I think we can agree to agree. The only caveat is, that I do not have to choose a certain maker's cars, if I choose wrong, I can sell it and get something else, alas, I rarely get to choose my Government, I never get to choose my Government Servants.
Yeah because Ayn Rand novels are reality and not immature caricatures. And of course, when a bunch of people die in a train crash, every single one of them deserved to die because they were like Toohey.
I'm sure you will get over it someday but as much as I enjoyed her books from an entertainment perspective her characters are cartoonish caricatures. Best not to base your entire life view on these books... You'll most likely regret with heavy cringe a few years down the line.
I dont like destiny's take because he has a good faith argument for goverment, but the goverment doesnt act in good faith. So he argues on principle instead of reality.
I can't help but think if the parties in politics weren't funded by big business, and the media was owned by big businesses, big government wouldn't be an issue
There are plenty of mainstream things the government ignores the people on, every citizens wants less corruption and more efficiency in using our taxes, yet that doesn’t happen, we don’t think a corporation, American or not, should be allowed to anonymously donate to a politician, yet they don’t change it, in fact just a decade ago they made it anonymous, actively going against what the people want
I was actually agreeing loosely until he mentioned the Afghanistan withdrawal. Americans did die during the withdrawal by a suicide bombing that we had imminent Intel on but didn't warn our Marines or prepare for. I'm not sure if it was complete incompetence or intentional. Which is worse? We gave up bargram airport, didn't warn our afghan army leadership we were leaving when he did, left in the middle of the night without a courtesy heads up, left equipment, money, and even working dogs behind, left hundreds of American citizens without any real plan to evacuate them, left countless afghan interpreters behind for execution, screwed over our western allies left to pick up the pieces and rescue their own and American citizens, broke the trust of our allies and gave any future Ally in a foreign war reason to distrust us. Yea, I think a lot could have been done to dramatically make the situation better. Was it intentional or sheer incompetence? Is it better to have incompetent leadership or evil leadership?
We did get warned about the suicide bombing. The issue was that we were being warned almost every day, so the warning was basically useless unfortunately. It was basically a matter of time. It’s really unfortunate. I was there, but luckily I wasn’t close enough to the gate to be in the blast radius. Also a guy in the army died too. Deadliest suicide bombing in Afghanistan’s history!
@@AnusSniffer69 thank you for clarifying some of my haziness on the incident. Anyone who says the Afghanistan withdrawal went about as well as it could've is either an idiot, lying, ignorant, or carrying water for the administration and failure military top brass
@@ericm425 agreed 100%. That whole situation made me completely lose any bit of faith I had left in the government, and the military. It’s the reason I did not re-enlist. I left a long comment on this video if you want to read it.
20 years of incompetence and debacles - the only thing we did right in Afghanistan was leave. My time in Marjeh showed me that suicide bombings happened daily, in fact, I was surprised this was the only incident that happened. Anybody who served knows this. The only real issue with leaving was saddling our interpreters with paperwork and red tape. Those who blame Biden or big government on our “horrible departure” have completely ignore the decades of military yes men who perpetrated an unwinnable war and people who pretend to know that how we left was done wrong have absolutely no fucking idea what they’re talking about. What is the alternative? Continuing to have Americans walk around and get blown up for no reason because one more month or year would have changed things? The only thing that would have done is allowed for more American deaths. I’d suggest reading Gideon Rose’s “How Wars End”
@@furlongthomas it was time to get out. The way it was done showed they didn't GAS what happened to Americans and Afghanistan or our allies alike. Ya think maybe telling Afghan leadership instead of sneaking out leaving all our stuff behind would have been a good idea?
"Is there anything the American people are asking for that the government isn't responding to?" Glad you asked: Clean water in Flint, MI Withdrawal from endless illegal wars More affordable healthcare Better public education Better roads Ending the war on drugs Reducing homelessness To name a few
Term limits anyone?? No rational argument can be made against them. Everyone on both sides agrees its a problem, all you have to do is audit the personal wealth before and after entering politics for long term politicians to see how blatantly corrupted and flawed the system is.
@@joshp777 "No rational argument can be made against them" Ehh, there are *some* that *can* be made. I'd rather stop there but then I then remembered reading a comment that basicly said "nuh-uh" to something and thinking that commenter could do better, so i'll throw out a couple examples. 1) People shouldn't be limited in who they can choose. Basically it's "undemocratic". 2) It would fill the legislature with people who are less experienced at lawmaking, which would have bad consequences. One of which is making them be be more easily influenced by organized special interest groups and industry lobbyists. I'm not trying to say I agree or disagree with that. I was just in a nitpicking mood and wanted to say the claim that "there are no rational arguments that can be made against term limits" isn't *literally* true.
I love Destiny but one of his biggest problems that he will never admit or face up to or take criticism is that Big government is not here to help you. For some reason he can’t accept that
@@DeadMouse32 yep exactly.. don’t worry, keep voting Democrat and wondering why you can’t afford food anymore. Not to mention you won’t have a gas vehicle to get anywhere, but don’t worry, you’ll have a nice 20sqft apartment you can leave once a day for an hour
@@hectorcumba5703 it seemed like it worked from 2016-2020, best economy of our lives with the least amount of unemployment. 401Ks never looked better and minorities had more access to investments and capital due to Trump’s platinum plan
The question is framed wrong. It shouldn't be "can you think of a popular cause they ignore", but rather "can you think of legislation only the 1% wants and nobody else?"
I don't want to rail into him too much, as some of what he says is true. Societies are better off when we work together. Society is better when we can trust the institutions. Where I disagree with him is on the naivety towards institutions. Institutions don't become trusted just because they exist. They become trusted because of their track record. From Boeing, to Apple, to McDonald's, these large entities came about because they were deemed to be of quality by the market. Said entities also have to actively maintain that perception in order to maintain their market share. Government doesn't do that. They exist without any need to truly compete, because those jobs have to be filled one way or the other. This is why people find it to be soulless, and lack trust in it. Government does not need to do a good job to maintain power. They just need to be mediocre. As someone living in a big government country, trust me when I say that you notice the negatives of a mediocre government a lot more when their power over your quality of life is so great.
@Adam Jacobs It definitely does. But a large chunk of why things are the way they are right now, imo, is because corporations and government are melding together. They're covering for one another. There's no chance for the individual to really shine anymore.
@Adam Jacobs I never said anything regarding regulations. That's a necessary role of government. I'm referring to the incestuous relationship business and government has now, with lobbying, corporate media covering for government fuck ups, government bailing out corporations in return, etc. Government and business should not be bed fellows. Governments almost always get more power by promising to be a check on corporate power, but tell me, what results have you seen the last 10 years that makes you think that has been working? Wealth inequality is greater. Movement up and down the wealth ladder is becoming near impossible. Large companies have former executives in presidential cabinets. Some countries, like Canada, have government bodies that protect large corporations from having any foreign competition in certain fields (CRTC). It's the people that have the power to make meaningful change. Government systems don't bring any inherent good. Big government usually just means more inefficiency at best, more corruption at worst.
@Adam Jacobs I am in Canada. We're a good barometer of what the US might look like with larger government, and it has brought with it its own set of issues. The CRTC is something you should look into if youre curious! It's the perfect example of big government covering openly for big business. What you said is entirely right by the way. The people need to check the government. The government should work for the people. I honestly believe almost all people of all sides of the asile can agree on that point. Where most disagreement comes from is in how to accomplish that.
@Adam Jacobs Agreed there. Also candidates need to be fully transparent with their finances, and who is giving them money. Failure to make open up the books and make government fundaraising and spending transparent and easy for the populous to track should result in immediate disqualification from office. They're working with our money, and supposed to be our voice. If you had a financial advisor who didn't keep you informed of what they were doing with your money, you would fire them immediately. We need to expect the same from our politicians. Government only works if they have the public trust, and it is on the government to earn that trust and maintain good faith with the people. They need to remain open with us.
Americans need to live in a "big" government country for 1 to 2 years then come back and speak about it. Or better yet speak to immigrants from countries like that of which I am one.
You can trust your car to start because its been tried and tested by many other people. The difference between government and a car manufacturer is that a car manufacturer starts off small and builds trust until it gets big due to quality and price while the government steals your money and gives you a product you didn't ask for or is of questionable quality.
@@maxpowers4436 Yes every US business has been kept financially viable by bailouts, technically. And the people have paid the price with insane house inflation and now consumer price inflation. Are you really gonna sit here and defend inflation?
I think conversations like this give us some hope of reconciliation and progress. It exemplifies what some kind of agreement could look like between the sharply divided right and left
I disagree, I was in NYC working nearby as were many friends. First reaction was shock, then grief followed by compassion and fellowship. The peoples mood was deescalation and healing. War and anger were triggered after media instilled terror in USA after anthrax scares popped up with unknown origin .
The problem with politicians isn't their new ideas but that they don't stick to their ideologi. Instead they switch position left and right. They're short-sighted, fishing for votes. In the long run faith, respect and trust is earned by being honest and actually stand for something.
wartem and if we were to quickly map out what politicians are switching their ideology to, it paints a clear picture that all politicians promise their voters one thing but then switch to do the bidding of their corporate donors.
@@JinjaOnHere it is but I would rather different politicians represent parts of the political spectrum and their popularity shifts with the public instead of their ideology shifting with the public to stay popular.
Here is a grown up man thinking as a teen who smokes weed all day as his parents basement, without a job, that haven't take a shower in weeks, and willing to study sociology all paid by taxes...
Perhaps institutions should have like a Chief Efficiency Officer whose responsibility is to constantly evaluate processes and bureaucracy and methods of mitigating gross inefficiencies in systems. Personally I have always found the larger an institution is, the more progress and ideas get stamped out from bureaucracy which just grows unchecked with no pushback. I always felt I was in the minority for constantly asking my boss why rules existed and how can we remove them when they are no longer relevant. Most of them never had a good answer... "Because that's the way we've always done it" is not a valid reason ever... 😝
@@AP-qu2li yeah they are generally pretty bad because they don't have good feedback loops and fail to understand all the components of a system. I recall my previous company brought in a consulting firm to restructure the org. A lot of stuff touched our dept, and i never had anyone speak or ask me questions and i was the lead network engineer for global operations... 🤷♂️ Of course they just made everything worse by cutting out people and things they didn't understand and injecting new systems that they didn't have to implement and test, but on paper they theoretically saved a lot of money if you ignore things like cost of turnover and retention from burnout, or lost sales from downtime created by "lets just test in production" mentality, etc...
@@firstlast8258 lol, i was just tossing a random idea out. Instead of 1 position, it's a committee of both managers and worker bees? 🤷♂️ There's plenty of solutions, but most companies don't ever evaluate or reevaluate processes and then just keep piling on crap despite weak foundations. It's true you should not reinvent the wheel, but you should still look at ways to improve it. That's why we have cars with tires and not round stone slabs.
All you will see is those officials lying about how efficient they are in order to get more funding, “send more to us, look how good we use it”, all they have to do is keep two books and show the fed the good one, happens all the time
As a Canadian who's experienced politician healthcare and free market private healthcare...free market private healthcare is the future (no America is not free market). Our healthcare in Canada is collapsing as we speak and hopefully sooner the better
Also you like most ppl in guessing think free market means expensive which if you understood free market it's affordable and competition increases quality. Our healthcare in Canada is neither affordable or quality.
@Adam Jacobs america is not free market healthcare, its crony capitalist healthcare. Socialized healthcare is same for profit, taxpayers pay a shitload to government while big pharma uses government to push their products while also using government to stop pharma competition. Also doctors and nurses work for profit whether you like it or not so you have to have a free market system where you the patient and the doctor are in charge of the money. Look up lasik eye surgery and you will understood how free market works. America's insurance companies are basically the same as socialized healthcare that's why you have a disaster of a system.
@Adam Jacobs I'm lower middle class, I've paid a shit ton in taxes, 15g a year to socialized healthcare (it's expensive and inefficient), only to have them drug my symptoms when i needed help, so i had to go to the private free market doctor where i pay $150/hr for actual healthcare and they found and treat the cause of my illness.
@Adam Jacobs you should listen to patients experiences in canada, and you will get a glimpse of how bad it is. And for gods sakes im not saying America is better healthcare, it sucks just like socialized healthcare. Im saying free market healthcare is the best and most affordable, America is not free market. Or healthcare is collapsing as we speak and we have 1/10th the population of America, socialized healthcare would be a epic disaster in America, to think politicians the worst most corruptible ppl ever should be in charge of healthcare is crazy. I like the idea of healthcare for all, but the system to make it work doesn't work. I'm saying there's a better solution for both and that's free market healthcare. Ive lived through more health issues than the average person can imagine, between two chronic diseases, type 1 diabetes and chronic lyme disease, multiple concussions. I want to be cured of my diseases and the only way that will happen is free market healthcare.
This is why you are one of my favorite people on earth lex. The last question you asked in this clip is exactly what I wanted to say and the answer is no, but because of social media, and all of these different outlets that people can get into an echo chamber, all of the heated propaganda for any belief no matter what it is, makes us feel like we are so much more divided than we truly are, not only on the fundamental level but on almost every issue, if you ask the type of questions that you are and go at it with compassion and understanding, we can agree on almost everything
"Should there be universal healthcare" And "should government be the sole provider of healthcare" are COMPLETELY different questions. Of course there were different answers.
if the government was the sole provider of healthcare, that would be technically communism already....... because the same way corrupt corporations can create a monopoly out of the industry, the same way a government can...... it's the old saying "who's watching those, who are watching us"...... brilliant example of that would be secret service agencies here in US...... nobody outside of that ecosystem, has ANY clue what's happening there....... because you know the phrase "it's classified" :D
"Are you gonna be the well actually guy?" Thank God he said it I was literally just thinking what an odd thing to pump the brakes on the conversation for
Yup. We have to stop thinking of it as a nebulous super benevolent institution and think more so of the quality of its people. If corruption is rampant among the people, the powerful institutions will mirror it.
could say the same for small government if you want to get into insider trading, corporate influence on government (going as far as influencing proxy wars and coups for resoruces and financial gain), etc. Things are more nuanced than big government bad small government good
@@ichirosuzuki2252 corporate influence does not matter in a small government situation. Do not assume my opinion because I call big govt obviously bad for the common person
I've always found it amuzing how a society can sit in their air conditioned bedroom watching youtube on their $1,200 iPhone and complain about the government. Naivete at its finest.
This is how it 'SHOULD" be possibly.... but idk who "should" is... I've never met him. I know who "is" is... and we're good friends. He protects me from the people who follow the "should", so I don't fall into the darkness of other men's idealistic traps... to consolidate their power at the expense of others.
I really don't get how anyone can argue for big government after C vid. Especially when our government is working with big corporations... That's the definition of fascism. I always thought the left was against consolidation of power? Apparently not?
No issues that aren't being represented in government? How about sound money, the disbanding of the federal reserve or small government? Those issues are not represented well.
You wanna learn about bureaucracy? Try getting help from customer support from a private organisation that decided support took up "too much" money when it usually didnt. Look how bloated the admins in insurance are. A lot of you if you're from NA probably know what I'm talking about.
Also Destiny framing the Afghanistan withdrawal being a shitshow as an inevitability instead of horrific mismanagement is one of the most disingenuous things I've ever heard.
There was never public support for Iraq ever - we went there for WMDs which had nothing to do with 9/11. All Americans were upset about it. There was support to go into Afghanistan.
@@poetryonplastic I live in the NE, one hour from NYC and knew many who were impacted. We were all in going into Afghanistan and as the whole Iraq invasion became more likely, more and more people were against it. That’s what I recall. We went in spring of 2003 and I remember it well. We were all scared and thought it was a huge mistake. Not saying that some weren’t all in and many were duped as we later discovered. but many of us were not happy about sending our troops over there so I can’t say there was overwhelming support. We all felt that it was odd to go there for WMDs.
LMAO Peer review , is not what destiny thinks it is. Peer review is also NOT an institution, its also not without fault (deep fault). It is hugely affected by social and economic factors, and individuals. In Science journals there is huge power with the editors, and like any other current events based media that influence IS wielded, and at points can distort the truth , and also has huge impact on what is and is not studied. If no one is going to print your study...why do it? People like Destiny are so blind to this they have an un warranted amount of faith in peer review, and mistake it for a far cleaner beast (from corrupt influence) than it actually is. Don't get me wrong it has many plus points too (which are closer to the what many people assume) but its nowhere near as robust as many so called intellects think. I could go on and on about the pitfalls, as they are vast and numerous, but I also see its utility, at the same time being aware of the constraints and the distortion present.Humans have to realise there are NO undistorted systems, some more or less distorted than others, some more useful than others, but none are free of the average human pitfalls or corruption and greed, none. This is partly why people who can only formulate from data can be quite limited in what they can see. Also everyone who makes that huge leap,or makes that cray discovery, or at least the vast majority, have done this by doing new things, exploring new approaches and maybe even totally new ideas. These are rarely accepted initially even in peer review. People have entire careers, reputations, fortunes built on what is established as well as external investment pressures that can for sure dictate what is studied. People look at Peer review like its some how free of all that, its not. Its closer to truth than many processes we have but not as close as the likes of Destiny would like to think.
Peer review is far from perfect, but the idea that institutions and journals are hostile to novel research or ideas is absurd. If anything the opposite is the problem. Institutions who hand out research grants tend to be more interested in novel research that can produce novel results as opposed to replication studies of previous research. In fact there’s currently a replication crisis in many fields because past results either cannot be replicated or researchers cannot get the funding to do replication studies to begin with. The main interest of research journals is to get attention and prestige, not to uphold established orthodoxy. Many journals will eagerly publish groundbreaking or even controversial research because it sends eyeballs (and dollars) their way. That isn’t to say all journals are unscrupulous, but the incentive absolutely exists.
Yea there’s a lot of cool stuff that happens when people come together, there’s also a lot of bad stuff that happens when people become greedy and not on the same page as the rest.
No he isn't, weirdo. He had a debate with a p3do where he was arguing in FAVOR of the age of consent. In this debate, the p3do brought up a study that theorized that maybe using already created CP in a controlled environment with the consent of all the people involved could stop p3dos from rping chldren. Destiny responded to that, saying, that he'd have no idea if that would actually work or if that even possible to do ethically, but if it did work and it was possible, then yes, he'd be in favor of that being used, because he'd like to see fewer chldren getting rped. This response by destiny in his debate against pedophilia was then used by deranged people like you, to paint destiny as a supporter of CP.
I also tend to lean in the direction of leveraging government as a tool to affect change. That said there’s big issues. It’s far too easy for highly resources organizations and people to get the easiest routes and most benefits. While smaller organizations and people are left trudging through red tape and predatory treatment.
If you still believe that leveraging government as a tool to effect change will possibly cause any positive change in the long term, then you seriously need to read up on the last few thousand years of human history. The State as a concept is only ever effective at organizing violence for a short duration and corruption begins setting in immediately. It keeps getting more corrupt and dysfunctional until another violent group of thugs kick over the rotten state and do it all over again.
"If you ask a conservative about single payer, they'll tell you no". Thats not true, those opposed to single payer aren't opposed to it just to oppose it for no reason, they oppose it because they know what will come with, higher taxes. Full well knowing that there's no need to raise taxes to give single payer.
Fuel efficient cars that don't pollute are not a standard the government made. Private entities created it and then the buisness lobbied the government to pass fuel efficient standards then imposed those standards on other car manufacturers so some that were operating would have shut down
What issues is the US gov't not addressing..? What about vaccine hesitation, profit in healthcare, child poverty, clean drinking water, disparity between the very rich and the working class leading to mass unhappiness in the US population..?
I'm disappointed Lex. I feel like you were so close! You brought up the issue of the "boys club", which I would call established politicians. To get rid of them, instill term limits in government. We don't seem to have a system that promotes the best candidates, rather, we seem to have choices given to us. For example, Fetterman vs Dr. Oz. Was this really the best that people voted on to represent their state? Or, was this choice given to us from an established party telling us "This is our guy, whether you like it or not".
You voted for the people that put those representatives up. If you don't like their decisions, then don't vote for them and put them in positions of power to make these decisions.
@@tidalcliff2202 People vote for the ones that get pushed on us. This system we have right now, with multiple choices for candidates to choose from, does not allow us to put the people we want in. There's also a mindset of a wasted vote if you don't choose one of the major 2 political parties. You can make the argument that if everyone didn't think that way, then it would work out but that's not how it works in practice. With that in mind, term limits prevent the same corrupt politicians from holding power and gives a chance for new politicians to become corrupt. In that scenario, at least their corrupt abilities can only last a few years.
@@yourewrongabouteverything "crowder is funny" lol. The failed comedian? Where's the comedy? Also "honest"? He's lies constantly. He's an election denier.
Generally great conversation but Destiny's comments about politicians evolving their positions "based on what their constituents are voting for" being a good thing is shocking. For someone so precise with words he doesn't even qualify the comment with "if they acquire new information" or something like that. He might have been about to qualify it when Lex responded in which case all is forgiven. Otherwise this comment really brings into question his entire outlook on things. We don't want politicians to change what they say they will do just to get elected unless they are telling the truth.
8:23 never really listened to Destiny, but I understand the criticism around him after listening to mere minutes of him talking. Lex is clearly talking about agendas, donors, and being beholden. Destiny answers basically saying that agendas and being beholden aren't real, that politicians can change their mind and we should support when they "change their minds" as to get them voted. I wish there was a info graphic within Destiny's eyesight at all times that shows him that politicians vote for what their donors want and the current laws are right in line with the donors' wishes. 11:38 YES, Woke Left progressives and Trump-loving MAGA both definitely, wholeheartedly agree on ending the fake wars. That stat alone is enough to entirely stop arguing about trans, lgbtq, blm, racism, etc, and ally with Trump voters to win.
The argument comes from a place of observed reality that countries with little to no institutions function objectively worse than most countries with strong institutions. Or do you have some in mind where this isn't the case?
This guy is the face of American privilege. He has never known any reality outside of his own existence, which happens to be the most comfortable period in all of human history. Send him to Soviet Russia for 1 day and he will come back a changed man.
My dad went to medical school in Leningrad the only complaint he had about the place was that when he had a roadtrip to Irkutsk the railway got broken and food couldn't be delivered so he had to eat canned tomatoes and bread for a couple of days because that's what they had left at the local market.
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He looks like the type of guy who would have a REEEALLY bad day if his browser history, hard drives, or cellar were ever looked at.
how can annyone with a functioning brain be 4 big giv
There’s always somebody with a “good reason” for taking away your rights, money, and property. Don’t be selfish; obey your altruistic rulers and defend them on the internet.
He would unironically say 'Yes'.
why yes, we do like democracy
Greed and corruption will always be there, it’s about minimizing it to the point it has very little effect.
What you’re saying can be applied to the other, a private entity not operating within the confines of public utility, free of regulation, will have greed and corruption as well only we know what happens *cough crypto scams especially the recent scandals that lost billions of dollars that belonged to people
They don't know history and human nature.
That is such a strawman. Are you even capable of being reasonable about this topic?
A generation, who was protected from consequences, doesn’t understand the difference between theory and practice.
And that's why you pointed out the specific example of him doing that instead of just saying the broadest possible thing you can say .
@Adam Jacobs wtf said anything about libertarians?
@Adam Jacobs you won’t find that anywhere, the idea of libertarianism didn’t exist until the founding of the constitution, prior to that, private liberty, was not a common thought or practice anywhere in the world, so naturally you’ll be hard pressed to find any country with libertarian ideas, I mean shoot dude only 200 years ago almost every major power in the world was a monarchy, they were successful but does that make a monarchy the best form of government, no
@Adam Jacobs >big government is working well in dozens of nations
Ethnically homogenous nations, you mean. That's why the US is not meant for a big government, and attempts to force it will result in a quicker balkanization.
@Adam Jacobs I'm not fond of the idea of a group of people, who have a mindset that they're "owed" something due to a historical grievance based on ethnicity, gaining control of a large bureaucratic mechanism.
At which point, they proceed to "extract" personal property, such as wealth by way of taxation, from the group they perceive to have slighted them at some point of history.
When it comes to a population that "looks the same", generally you have far more compatible cultures and far fewer personal gripes between tribe A and tribe B.
Either way, big governments to small populations which are ethnically homogenous.
Avoid the grift of "Buy Large Mansions".
Observe the past 50 years. Tis pretty clear Governments do not care about my individual well being. Nor yours.
Ppl don't seem to realize that one of the biggest causes of death and human suffering is government lol
And what's the solutuon to that? You can either keep electing the same 2 establishment parties, or push for bigger political change. It might suck, but the fact that the US is simply incapable of getting out of its 2 party system is proof that those parties are, to some extend, quite popular. If you want significant change, it won't come from either of of those parties.
@@lespaul5734 The solution is individual awakening. Self realization of who, and what we are.
@@dmill6103 If I suffer, it’s because I am creating it in my mind.
@@djjefferson4200 What does that solve exactly? How does that translate to nationwide political change?
I think the government as an institution is far removed from our ability to individually see if we even can trust it
On big government bureaucracy there just seems to be an aura of laziness
There's a difference between needing forms for organisational/security purposes and 'your license has expired, please enter in a valid license number to apply for a new license'
That is a far too vague statement. There are government programs that work well. Simply saying big government = bad is for simpletons.
Im lost….are you anti identification because I would think managing Ids and drivers licenses would be ineffective or corrupt if left to private parties
@@PhillipTTruong Legibility problems. The people who are high enough up in the institution to have the full information on why the institution needs to behave in a certain way don't have the specialist skills of front line workers to understand how that behavior affects their specific work tasks.
I mean having basic id requirements for certain things that you update every once in a while is kind of important...
@@TheRiiiight If it's skill-based then sure, like a business or professional license. But if it's just an ID tied to your identity as a citizen/resident then it either shouldn't need to be renewed or should be renewed automatically unless opted out of.
In the beginning of the conversation, he is actually comparing trust in the government to trust in a government-regulated auto manufacturer. This is a terrible analogy.
He's kinda horrifying. At first, I thought he was naive but he's completely handed his thinking mechanism to institutions
refuses to elaborate gigaCHAD
No the car is a metaphor for all the working parts that go into government.if you are not an expert you might not know what every part does but in the end if its working car that can do the tasks of a car.
@@brettdavenport7583 watch his episode on timcast IRL (if you’re interested) he loves to deny reality. Then they show him a video of said reality happening. 😮 lol it’s hilarious.
@@dickgoblin it didn’t seem metaphorical. Seemed to me like an example of government expertise keeping us safe.
I don't disagree with his logic on trust and institutions. The only issue is that our institutions and government are corrupt and frankly, evil. It is more optimal to have a small government, and a healthy competitive field for companies, corporations, and institutions.
I think it is not a real dichotomy. There are many levels to government in the US. If you want to have an effect on government solving problems, you should participate at the town and city level.
One needs checks and balances, not just for governments, but for corporations as well
i was born in soviet union and live in western europe after spending almost 20 years in the united states, trusting institutions?! never. especially after the last three years, if someone still wants a big government they weren't watching the movie. as the guy is a techie, technically, a gamer, he should know more about systems. very ignorant nonconvincing argument from him.
@@PancakeProduct thing is govt is bought off by big corporations and used to stop competition like pharma using fda etc to stop private labs and then protected by govt when they mess up, perdue pharma is perfect example of crony capitalism. Better to have small government, that way corporations aren't protected. We've gone so far from free market capitalism.
Every time there is a unregulated space, the first people to cry for government intervention are the people who were celebrating it. How many times have we went through this with banking and new financial instruments? We're seeing it over and over now with crypto. Exchange gets "hacked" runs off with peoples money, or engages in crazy fractional reserve lending and after an investor panic, there's a "run" on the exchange and it collapses.
I can't even think of a crypto exchange where this didn't happen, and where after it collapses, there not a call from the previous hyper-libertarians for big daddy government to investigate them and do something. Meanwhile, a "bug" was introduced into their ETH contracts, and "someone" transferred a few hundred million $ the night before to an ETH address that seems to be used by someone in the Caymans.
There's a reason why we don't get bank runs anymore on savings banks, even though they engage in fractional reserve. Because we trust the US government, and FICA, to guarantee our deposits. TRUST IN GIOVERNMENT.
Libertarianism is for who never grew up after reading Ayn Rand, and have not read enough history to see how systems evolve over time from simplicity to complexity, precisely because simple systems don't scale.
Been listening to you for years Lex.
While in school, became a data scientist as I listened to you, and continue to expand my mind through this random, human experience from listening to you.
Thank you for all your hard work! It doesn’t mean much, but my love and respect are with you!
Hope you stick to being a data scientist instead of becoming a political twitch steamer after watching this episode
I can relate to this
Love to you all
Find another guy. You don’t want to be like lex. This is all an act for adulation. He has no soul.
@@badlabs1 what bro? He has no soul? Why?
Care to learn how the book of Revelation astronomically dates major historical events? It’s pretty irrefutable
As someone that grew up in a conservative area, we were all for the Iraq war. But we would have been behind any war at the time in 2003. If you told us that Bin Laden changed planes in Paris we would have been behind a war with France
proves how stupid Republicans are. Unfortunately, the "liberals" today are the ones who trust the government
I was a kid at the time and it’s crazy how much people were pro war then. I never understood why people would support sending troops overseas to countries none of us knew anything about.
@Shady Sheister because people were pissed and wanted vengeance. Easy playbook for government. Crisis happens, use propaganda to create scapegoat, offer "solution" that eliminates scapegoat.
Wish it would have been france, the war would have only lasted a few months instead of the hell hole of Iraq.
I’m so glad these two did this podcast. I don’t agree with destiny on everything but I think he brings up some great points
Yeah... great conversation. He brings some good points, brings some bad points, Lex calls him out and brings some good points and maybe also bad ones but those points get rebutted. Its more like brainstorming conversation of what would be the most ideal for everybody...
Lex had a flattening rebuttal on most points here
Destiny is a communist with terrible points.
What points did he make that you'd call great?
It's not the institutions that are the problem it's the increasing corruption of them by bad actors that is the problem. When pharmaceutical companies for example are funding the body that regulates them ... That's broken.
They are never going to be not corrupt in one form or the other so the best thing is to reduce their power.
@@DAS63 insane how rtarded you are.
Destiny should look into Response Bias, it would explain why wars initially are popular and then overtime become rather unpopular. In regards to polling this issue
“Bureaucracy also gives us things like safe medicine, safe water to drink, safe buildings to live in, safe cars to drive” *intense scratching noises as zombie milton Friedman attempts to claw his way out of his grave*
@@afrodemon8629 my source is I made it the fuck up!
Economics is the one field you can win a Nobel for just making shit up to fit your ideology, rather than basing your theories on actual data. Friedman is the prime example of this.
Those are legit criticisms of bureaucracy. The problem is they all - growing indefinitely, inefficiency, corruption, etc - exist at great scale in all our corporations, as well.
@@matthewwoodard9810 nobels are not a good thing... that whole group is absurd
@@GODHATESADOPTION Right, we should give prizes for being stupid and ignorant.. that way everyone is equally likely to get one
i would pay good money for a Micheal Malice and Destiny debate
Don't think Destiny can debate anyone who has that level of knowledge of history. Whenever he has debated someone like that in the past he looks terrible. He only shows up against nobodies on the internet.
@@thebest3526 that was kind of the impression i got from the clips of the Destiny Podcast. Though i haven’t watched it all yet he does seem to make claims and then backtrack them
As someone who watches MSNBC, Destiny sounds near exact to MSNBC.
Destiny would never accept. He's far to ignorant of history. Malice would make a fool of him.
Anyone who believes in big government has never witnessed the horrible consequences of mass incompetence with their own eyes. When you see it you can’t unsee it
@Adam Jacobs and in reality in the USA, big business has taken over the entire government and we don't really have a government anymore really, big or small!
and of course, our corporate-run government and their media are the ones getting us to think a 'big government' is the enemy.
@Adam Jacobs you as well
@Adam Jacobs big business can not exist without big government enabling them. There seems to be a common denominator….
@Adam Jacobs
I can refuse to buy a Coca cola
@Adam Jacobs
CocaCola doesn't extort you for your earnings in exchange for not living in a jail cell. Hope this helps.
Nah. Henry David Thoreau had it correct way back when - "That government is best which governs least." Ronald Reagan also said it well when he said, the the 9 most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Yeah, Ronald Reagan
The only people who want to sell you on “small government” are the people who benefit from big government. After all, if you learn to expect nothing from your Government, you will never pose a threat to the leeches eating your lunch.
Reagan is a bad example being he expanded the government more than any president before him since FDR.
This is the most kindergarten take lol
Congrats you gave us two quotes and vague posted
“Are you going to be the well actually guy?!”
That phrase RIGHT FUCKING THERE is what’s killing us.
Yeah WELL ACTUALLY prove to me why you’re right
Destiny seems like the kind of guy that gets mad when you say you "do your own research" and then counters every argument with "well, I've done my research."
Whenever Destiny say’s: „I guess, I feel, etc…“, he really is just bullshitting.
Yup
Try to listen and understand his argument, you may learn something
What would you guess or feel are the chances of that? 75%?
Or maybe it’s just his genuine opinion, and you think his opinions are wrong. That doesn’t mean he’s purposely bullshitting.
He makes arguments with statistics and poles for which he guesses/ makes up the numbers.
That’s what I’m calling bullshitting.
There is no case for big government.
@Adam Jacobs I'd love to hear it. I enjoy people being embarrassingly wrong about their understanding of reality and highlighting their mental slavery for everyone to see. Please enlighten us sir.
@Adam Jacobs I've been to Germany. I lived in Berlin for 6 months.
@Adam Jacobs for people to read your understanding of the topic. I've seen nothing of the sort to suggest the world needs more big government.
Norway.
Be open do the actual conversation
His simplistic and positive view of government and capital institutions is inspiring. It all works so well if it wasn't for those darn conservatives.
People working together is good. Good thing they only do so for good.
Politicians should change for popular opinion. Let me explain why we can never understand popular opinion.
The only thing I know about this goofy dude is that he has high doeses of copium and a bad reaction to JRE's ivermectin.
Yet the fundamental idea of conservatism might be roughly reduced to retaining societal values. Other "progressive" political ideologies cause chaos by discarding the lessons of humanity's accumulative societal lessons.
@@jamesm.9285 Yet life is chaos. Evolving"progress" takes many forms and is not inherently evil. America almost found a system where the two perspectives could exist together (word for venom and Eddie Brock?). Makes me reflect on the separation of church and state and what was truly intended with admitting both exist.
@@jamesm.9285 Yeah, accumulated societal lessons like ruthlessly beating or abusing people who are not part of your tribe.
@@bcbbarnes Chaos is inherent in life but not its defining factor - would you not say that seems more true and we must learn to walk the narrow line between chaos and order in peace (such as in the Tao Te Ching philosophy)? I'm not shunning progress, either, but "progressivism" whereby the foundations of societal value and norms and traditions are thrown out in the name of being radically "politically correct" and enforcing neo-indoctrination. Yet you make an interesting point here. There is, ultimately, a balance between contending social forces that we must learn to strike, and that will not be found in a crony capitalist or other highly-centralised power system, nor in the catastrophic act of attempting a functional communist, socialist, or otherwise Marxist society. The Ancient Greek co-dependance of state and civil society / public interest, their 'polis', represents a historical "direct democracy" all modern nations would do well to implement core aspects of.
The best case for a smaller weaker government is....... Big government.
"Should the government be bigger?"
No. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk
"Look into it Alex Jones." I spit my drink out, hahahaha!
I always thought Destiny is a moron, then I met Hasanabi on twitch. I can at least cope with listening to destiny longer than ten seconds.
Destiny has made the statement the no Americans died during the Afghan withdrawal. But 13 soldiers were killed in a suicide bombing at the airport. That’s not no…
There were also translators that were afghani that died. The number of people we promised to protect in exchange for working with the US was massive. I don’t have that number right now. It’s been a while since I seen it. It sounds like allot of those people were murdered by the Taliban after they were left behind.
That’s cause Destiny does not think, he repeats left-wing talking points and talks kinda quick like Ben Shapiro so he thinks he’s more intelligent than us common peasants lmao
@@jonjonah4288 call in and talk to him and we will see if you can make a good point against his points. He is very open to conversations.
Americans and people in general shouldn't have their rights slowly stripped from them under the guise of a "better and safer collective" we have this desire to control others and make them think our way of doing things is correct. The constitution and bill of rights was a masterpiece that should never have been tampered with.
i think milo just called it frustrated childless women trying to exert control sounds good
“The government is incredibly effective.”
You lost me.
Never drive on a highway again, or use your tap water
@@Lightningkuriboh They can't engage with this. They only look at the cracks in the walls instead of looking at the entire structure.
@@spoonerluv Reagan successfully brain poisoned this whole country
@@Lightningkuriboh we already don't because the pipes got lead in them and if you do use it, just makes you sick
Since when has a working car been the creation of the Government? This is a really bizarre analogy.
you really misunderstood it.
you need what a government does, you cant do everything a government does on your own and still have time to live.
so just like you offload your time on some engineers, designers, assemblers etc you offload your time on the government.
@@zaarkeru3391 The difference is, that a Government creates nothing, they either facilitate or protect, it is the analogy I criticised, not the offloading/delegating process.
Please read my words in future.
Whether or not a Government is effective at facilitating or protecting is a separate discussion.
@@garylake1676
oh wow...
it really does...
it facilitates...
thats the whole point.
it does the thing you need in order to live in a stable nation.
your words are wrong though.
you buy the car so you can travel to work, shop, drive your kids to work etc.
the car company facilitates your ability to live your life.
the same way the government facilitates the needs you have to live your life...
and all western government are very efficient (could be better of course) at facilitating those needs.
just compare your nation to nations with shitty governments....
they all are shitholes.
you hit the nail on its head though, it facilitates, which is the whole point...
This is so typical, you are arguing my point, all I said, was that the analogy was wrong.
When you leave creation in the hands of a Government, it is rarely, if ever, efficient.
I think we can agree to agree.
The only caveat is, that I do not have to choose a certain maker's cars, if I choose wrong, I can sell it and get something else, alas, I rarely get to choose my Government, I never get to choose my Government Servants.
Destiny is Ellsworth Toohey in Ayn Rands novel "The Fountain Head."
Yeah because Ayn Rand novels are reality and not immature caricatures. And of course, when a bunch of people die in a train crash, every single one of them deserved to die because they were like Toohey.
Yeaa Ayn Rand is over rated af. Read most of atlas shrugged and it was so heavy handed with the capitalist heroes vs the vile regulators.
@@bolenarrow9286 I would rather live in a world full of great entrepreneurs than politicians who tax, regulate and control you.
Your first mistake is that you took The Fountainhead seriously
I'm sure you will get over it someday but as much as I enjoyed her books from an entertainment perspective her characters are cartoonish caricatures. Best not to base your entire life view on these books... You'll most likely regret with heavy cringe a few years down the line.
I dont like destiny's take because he has a good faith argument for goverment, but the goverment doesnt act in good faith. So he argues on principle instead of reality.
Thats a very articulate way of saying hes delusional 😂
I think he's using a historical argument based on polling data and its correlation to government action. Pretty based in reality
I can't help but think if the parties in politics weren't funded by big business, and the media was owned by big businesses, big government wouldn't be an issue
There are plenty of mainstream things the government ignores the people on, every citizens wants less corruption and more efficiency in using our taxes, yet that doesn’t happen, we don’t think a corporation, American or not, should be allowed to anonymously donate to a politician, yet they don’t change it, in fact just a decade ago they made it anonymous, actively going against what the people want
I was actually agreeing loosely until he mentioned the Afghanistan withdrawal. Americans did die during the withdrawal by a suicide bombing that we had imminent Intel on but didn't warn our Marines or prepare for. I'm not sure if it was complete incompetence or intentional. Which is worse?
We gave up bargram airport, didn't warn our afghan army leadership we were leaving when he did, left in the middle of the night without a courtesy heads up, left equipment, money, and even working dogs behind, left hundreds of American citizens without any real plan to evacuate them, left countless afghan interpreters behind for execution, screwed over our western allies left to pick up the pieces and rescue their own and American citizens, broke the trust of our allies and gave any future Ally in a foreign war reason to distrust us.
Yea, I think a lot could have been done to dramatically make the situation better. Was it intentional or sheer incompetence? Is it better to have incompetent leadership or evil leadership?
We did get warned about the suicide bombing. The issue was that we were being warned almost every day, so the warning was basically useless unfortunately. It was basically a matter of time. It’s really unfortunate. I was there, but luckily I wasn’t close enough to the gate to be in the blast radius. Also a guy in the army died too. Deadliest suicide bombing in Afghanistan’s history!
@@AnusSniffer69 thank you for clarifying some of my haziness on the incident. Anyone who says the Afghanistan withdrawal went about as well as it could've is either an idiot, lying, ignorant, or carrying water for the administration and failure military top brass
@@ericm425 agreed 100%. That whole situation made me completely lose any bit of faith I had left in the government, and the military. It’s the reason I did not re-enlist. I left a long comment on this video if you want to read it.
20 years of incompetence and debacles - the only thing we did right in Afghanistan was leave. My time in Marjeh showed me that suicide bombings happened daily, in fact, I was surprised this was the only incident that happened. Anybody who served knows this. The only real issue with leaving was saddling our interpreters with paperwork and red tape. Those who blame Biden or big government on our “horrible departure” have completely ignore the decades of military yes men who perpetrated an unwinnable war and people who pretend to know that how we left was done wrong have absolutely no fucking idea what they’re talking about. What is the alternative? Continuing to have Americans walk around and get blown up for no reason because one more month or year would have changed things? The only thing that would have done is allowed for more American deaths. I’d suggest reading Gideon Rose’s “How Wars End”
@@furlongthomas it was time to get out. The way it was done showed they didn't GAS what happened to Americans and Afghanistan or our allies alike. Ya think maybe telling Afghan leadership instead of sneaking out leaving all our stuff behind would have been a good idea?
"Is there anything the American people are asking for that the government isn't responding to?"
Glad you asked:
Clean water in Flint, MI
Withdrawal from endless illegal wars
More affordable healthcare
Better public education
Better roads
Ending the war on drugs
Reducing homelessness
To name a few
"Can you think of one issue the public wants that the government does not address?"
Curtailing lobbying.
Does half the public even know about lobbying and what it actually is, let alone even have an opinion on it.
You gave a circular answer.
Term limits anyone?? No rational argument can be made against them. Everyone on both sides agrees its a problem, all you have to do is audit the personal wealth before and after entering politics for long term politicians to see how blatantly corrupted and flawed the system is.
@@joshp777 "No rational argument can be made against them"
Ehh, there are *some* that *can* be made.
I'd rather stop there but then I then remembered reading a comment that basicly said "nuh-uh" to something and thinking that commenter could do better, so i'll throw out a couple examples.
1) People shouldn't be limited in who they can choose. Basically it's "undemocratic".
2) It would fill the legislature with people who are less experienced at lawmaking, which would have bad consequences. One of which is making them be be more easily influenced by organized special interest groups and industry lobbyists.
I'm not trying to say I agree or disagree with that. I was just in a nitpicking mood and wanted to say the claim that "there are no rational arguments that can be made against term limits" isn't *literally* true.
the money system.
I love Destiny but one of his biggest problems that he will never admit or face up to or take criticism is that Big government is not here to help you. For some reason he can’t accept that
Am pretty sure takes criticism well, it's just that a lot of the criticism he gets is bad faith because of how many people hate him
Because of the Republican Party lmao.
@@DeadMouse32 yep exactly.. don’t worry, keep voting Democrat and wondering why you can’t afford food anymore. Not to mention you won’t have a gas vehicle to get anywhere, but don’t worry, you’ll have a nice 20sqft apartment you can leave once a day for an hour
@@collinredrick8037 republicans don't have any policy solutions to any of those, cutting taxes isn't the solution
@@hectorcumba5703 it seemed like it worked from 2016-2020, best economy of our lives with the least amount of unemployment. 401Ks never looked better and minorities had more access to investments and capital due to Trump’s platinum plan
I have faith in the power of effective government. I just don't have faith in the politicians running the government.
Destiny is the case for ban on streaming
Education reform also
No one deserves to be banned for being wrong.
It's interesting how we have a video questioning big government but not a video questioning giant multinational corporations.
The question is framed wrong. It shouldn't be "can you think of a popular cause they ignore", but rather "can you think of legislation only the 1% wants and nobody else?"
I don't want to rail into him too much, as some of what he says is true.
Societies are better off when we work together. Society is better when we can trust the institutions.
Where I disagree with him is on the naivety towards institutions.
Institutions don't become trusted just because they exist. They become trusted because of their track record.
From Boeing, to Apple, to McDonald's, these large entities came about because they were deemed to be of quality by the market. Said entities also have to actively maintain that perception in order to maintain their market share.
Government doesn't do that. They exist without any need to truly compete, because those jobs have to be filled one way or the other. This is why people find it to be soulless, and lack trust in it. Government does not need to do a good job to maintain power. They just need to be mediocre.
As someone living in a big government country, trust me when I say that you notice the negatives of a mediocre government a lot more when their power over your quality of life is so great.
@Adam Jacobs It definitely does. But a large chunk of why things are the way they are right now, imo, is because corporations and government are melding together.
They're covering for one another. There's no chance for the individual to really shine anymore.
@Adam Jacobs I never said anything regarding regulations. That's a necessary role of government.
I'm referring to the incestuous relationship business and government has now, with lobbying, corporate media covering for government fuck ups, government bailing out corporations in return, etc.
Government and business should not be bed fellows.
Governments almost always get more power by promising to be a check on corporate power, but tell me, what results have you seen the last 10 years that makes you think that has been working?
Wealth inequality is greater. Movement up and down the wealth ladder is becoming near impossible. Large companies have former executives in presidential cabinets.
Some countries, like Canada, have government bodies that protect large corporations from having any foreign competition in certain fields (CRTC).
It's the people that have the power to make meaningful change. Government systems don't bring any inherent good. Big government usually just means more inefficiency at best, more corruption at worst.
@Adam Jacobs I am in Canada. We're a good barometer of what the US might look like with larger government, and it has brought with it its own set of issues. The CRTC is something you should look into if youre curious! It's the perfect example of big government covering openly for big business.
What you said is entirely right by the way.
The people need to check the government. The government should work for the people.
I honestly believe almost all people of all sides of the asile can agree on that point. Where most disagreement comes from is in how to accomplish that.
@Adam Jacobs Agreed there. Also candidates need to be fully transparent with their finances, and who is giving them money.
Failure to make open up the books and make government fundaraising and spending transparent and easy for the populous to track should result in immediate disqualification from office.
They're working with our money, and supposed to be our voice. If you had a financial advisor who didn't keep you informed of what they were doing with your money, you would fire them immediately.
We need to expect the same from our politicians. Government only works if they have the public trust, and it is on the government to earn that trust and maintain good faith with the people. They need to remain open with us.
Americans need to live in a "big" government country for 1 to 2 years then come back and speak about it. Or better yet speak to immigrants from countries like that of which I am one.
Funny that TH-cam recommends underneath this, PBD's podcast about "The Boy Crises" and America producing weak men
Actually that’s just the algorithm recommending you videos based on your user experience
You can trust your car to start because its been tried and tested by many other people. The difference between government and a car manufacturer is that a car manufacturer starts off small and builds trust until it gets big due to quality and price while the government steals your money and gives you a product you didn't ask for or is of questionable quality.
Who do you think loaned those car manufactueres money to grow big? Gave them subsidies access to materials? Contracts FOR the government.
@@maxpowers4436 Yes every US business has been kept financially viable by bailouts, technically. And the people have paid the price with insane house inflation and now consumer price inflation.
Are you really gonna sit here and defend inflation?
I think conversations like this give us some hope of reconciliation and progress. It exemplifies what some kind of agreement could look like between the sharply divided right and left
Lol lex got a lot of that reactionary viewers overlapped with Joe rogan.they are seething in comments section
so cringe considering most of lex's interviews are with scientists and intellectuals.
You warrant such reaction when you babbble on about things you have no clue about .
There is no more reactionary idealogy than neoliberalism so pls sit this one out.
I disagree, I was in NYC working nearby as were many friends. First reaction was shock, then grief followed by compassion and fellowship. The peoples mood was deescalation and healing. War and anger were triggered after media instilled terror in USA after anthrax scares popped up with unknown origin .
Love this conversation 👍
The problem with politicians isn't their new ideas but that they don't stick to their ideologi. Instead they switch position left and right. They're short-sighted, fishing for votes.
In the long run faith, respect and trust is earned by being honest and actually stand for something.
wartem and if we were to quickly map out what politicians are switching their ideology to, it paints a clear picture that all politicians promise their voters one thing but then switch to do the bidding of their corporate donors.
@@JinjaOnHere it is but I would rather different politicians represent parts of the political spectrum and their popularity shifts with the public instead of their ideology shifting with the public to stay popular.
I want to see Dave Smith debate Destiny
Here is a grown up man thinking as a teen who smokes weed all day as his parents basement, without a job, that haven't take a shower in weeks, and willing to study sociology all paid by taxes...
Perhaps institutions should have like a Chief Efficiency Officer whose responsibility is to constantly evaluate processes and bureaucracy and methods of mitigating gross inefficiencies in systems. Personally I have always found the larger an institution is, the more progress and ideas get stamped out from bureaucracy which just grows unchecked with no pushback. I always felt I was in the minority for constantly asking my boss why rules existed and how can we remove them when they are no longer relevant. Most of them never had a good answer... "Because that's the way we've always done it" is not a valid reason ever... 😝
Meet the new boss same as the old boss
Most companies already have a Lean/Qi team and everyone already hates and ignores them
@@AP-qu2li yeah they are generally pretty bad because they don't have good feedback loops and fail to understand all the components of a system. I recall my previous company brought in a consulting firm to restructure the org. A lot of stuff touched our dept, and i never had anyone speak or ask me questions and i was the lead network engineer for global operations... 🤷♂️ Of course they just made everything worse by cutting out people and things they didn't understand and injecting new systems that they didn't have to implement and test, but on paper they theoretically saved a lot of money if you ignore things like cost of turnover and retention from burnout, or lost sales from downtime created by "lets just test in production" mentality, etc...
@@firstlast8258 lol, i was just tossing a random idea out. Instead of 1 position, it's a committee of both managers and worker bees? 🤷♂️ There's plenty of solutions, but most companies don't ever evaluate or reevaluate processes and then just keep piling on crap despite weak foundations. It's true you should not reinvent the wheel, but you should still look at ways to improve it. That's why we have cars with tires and not round stone slabs.
All you will see is those officials lying about how efficient they are in order to get more funding, “send more to us, look how good we use it”, all they have to do is keep two books and show the fed the good one, happens all the time
As a Canadian who's experienced politician healthcare and free market private healthcare...free market private healthcare is the future (no America is not free market). Our healthcare in Canada is collapsing as we speak and hopefully sooner the better
@Adam Jacobs insulting isn't a great way to prove a different point.
Also you like most ppl in guessing think free market means expensive which if you understood free market it's affordable and competition increases quality. Our healthcare in Canada is neither affordable or quality.
@Adam Jacobs america is not free market healthcare, its crony capitalist healthcare. Socialized healthcare is same for profit, taxpayers pay a shitload to government while big pharma uses government to push their products while also using government to stop pharma competition. Also doctors and nurses work for profit whether you like it or not so you have to have a free market system where you the patient and the doctor are in charge of the money. Look up lasik eye surgery and you will understood how free market works. America's insurance companies are basically the same as socialized healthcare that's why you have a disaster of a system.
@Adam Jacobs I'm lower middle class, I've paid a shit ton in taxes, 15g a year to socialized healthcare (it's expensive and inefficient), only to have them drug my symptoms when i needed help, so i had to go to the private free market doctor where i pay $150/hr for actual healthcare and they found and treat the cause of my illness.
@Adam Jacobs you should listen to patients experiences in canada, and you will get a glimpse of how bad it is. And for gods sakes im not saying America is better healthcare, it sucks just like socialized healthcare. Im saying free market healthcare is the best and most affordable, America is not free market. Or healthcare is collapsing as we speak and we have 1/10th the population of America, socialized healthcare would be a epic disaster in America, to think politicians the worst most corruptible ppl ever should be in charge of healthcare is crazy. I like the idea of healthcare for all, but the system to make it work doesn't work. I'm saying there's a better solution for both and that's free market healthcare. Ive lived through more health issues than the average person can imagine, between two chronic diseases, type 1 diabetes and chronic lyme disease, multiple concussions. I want to be cured of my diseases and the only way that will happen is free market healthcare.
This is why you are one of my favorite people on earth lex. The last question you asked in this clip is exactly what I wanted to say and the answer is no, but because of social media, and all of these different outlets that people can get into an echo chamber, all of the heated propaganda for any belief no matter what it is, makes us feel like we are so much more divided than we truly are, not only on the fundamental level but on almost every issue, if you ask the type of questions that you are and go at it with compassion and understanding, we can agree on almost everything
"Should there be universal healthcare"
And "should government be the sole provider of healthcare" are COMPLETELY different questions.
Of course there were different answers.
if the government was the sole provider of healthcare, that would be technically communism already....... because the same way corrupt corporations can create a monopoly out of the industry, the same way a government can...... it's the old saying "who's watching those, who are watching us"...... brilliant example of that would be secret service agencies here in US...... nobody outside of that ecosystem, has ANY clue what's happening there....... because you know the phrase "it's classified" :D
"Are you gonna be the well actually guy?" Thank God he said it I was literally just thinking what an odd thing to pump the brakes on the conversation for
Well actually men fucking my wife makes me alpha - Destiny, probably
I think Destiny is a bit too sanguine on power and corruption of institutions.
Best distillation of the problem with Destiny’s sort of thinking.
Yup. We have to stop thinking of it as a nebulous super benevolent institution and think more so of the quality of its people.
If corruption is rampant among the people, the powerful institutions will mirror it.
Both of them live in a fantasy world.
We all do.
@@johnv5156 Are you a prophet or seer?
Anyone who is pro big govt is just not paying attention
could say the same for small government if you want to get into insider trading, corporate influence on government (going as far as influencing proxy wars and coups for resoruces and financial gain), etc. Things are more nuanced than big government bad small government good
@@ichirosuzuki2252 corporate influence does not matter in a small government situation. Do not assume my opinion because I call big govt obviously bad for the common person
I've always found it amuzing how a society can sit in their air conditioned bedroom watching youtube on their $1,200 iPhone and complain about the government. Naivete at its finest.
The reality is that leaving things to the market can leads to very big negative externalities that leave us all worse off.
This is how it 'SHOULD" be possibly.... but idk who "should" is... I've never met him. I know who "is" is... and we're good friends. He protects me from the people who follow the "should", so I don't fall into the darkness of other men's idealistic traps... to consolidate their power at the expense of others.
I really don't get how anyone can argue for big government after C vid. Especially when our government is working with big corporations... That's the definition of fascism. I always thought the left was against consolidation of power? Apparently not?
No issues that aren't being represented in government? How about sound money, the disbanding of the federal reserve or small government? Those issues are not represented well.
You wanna learn about bureaucracy? Try getting help from customer support from a private organisation that decided support took up "too much" money when it usually didnt. Look how bloated the admins in insurance are.
A lot of you if you're from NA probably know what I'm talking about.
Also Destiny framing the Afghanistan withdrawal being a shitshow as an inevitability instead of horrific mismanagement is one of the most disingenuous things I've ever heard.
No.
There was never public support for Iraq ever - we went there for WMDs which had nothing to do with 9/11. All Americans were upset about it. There was support to go into Afghanistan.
This is just factually not true, where were you living in 2003 where you saw no public support for the Iraq war??
@@poetryonplastic I live in the NE, one hour from NYC and knew many who were impacted. We were all in going into Afghanistan and as the whole Iraq invasion became more likely, more and more people were against it. That’s what I recall. We went in spring of 2003 and I remember it well. We were all scared and thought it was a huge mistake. Not saying that some weren’t all in and many were duped as we later discovered. but many of us were not happy about sending our troops over there so I can’t say there was overwhelming support. We all felt that it was odd to go there for WMDs.
LMAO Peer review , is not what destiny thinks it is.
Peer review is also NOT an institution, its also not without fault (deep fault). It is hugely affected by social and economic factors, and individuals. In Science journals there is huge power with the editors, and like any other current events based media that influence IS wielded, and at points can distort the truth , and also has huge impact on what is and is not studied. If no one is going to print your study...why do it?
People like Destiny are so blind to this they have an un warranted amount of faith in peer review, and mistake it for a far cleaner beast (from corrupt influence) than it actually is. Don't get me wrong it has many plus points too (which are closer to the what many people assume) but its nowhere near as robust as many so called intellects think.
I could go on and on about the pitfalls, as they are vast and numerous, but I also see its utility, at the same time being aware of the constraints and the distortion present.Humans have to realise there are NO undistorted systems, some more or less distorted than others, some more useful than others, but none are free of the average human pitfalls or corruption and greed, none.
This is partly why people who can only formulate from data can be quite limited in what they can see.
Also everyone who makes that huge leap,or makes that cray discovery, or at least the vast majority, have done this by doing new things, exploring new approaches and maybe even totally new ideas. These are rarely accepted initially even in peer review. People have entire careers, reputations, fortunes built on what is established as well as external investment pressures that can for sure dictate what is studied.
People look at Peer review like its some how free of all that, its not. Its closer to truth than many processes we have but not as close as the likes of Destiny would like to think.
Peer review is far from perfect, but the idea that institutions and journals are hostile to novel research or ideas is absurd. If anything the opposite is the problem.
Institutions who hand out research grants tend to be more interested in novel research that can produce novel results as opposed to replication studies of previous research. In fact there’s currently a replication crisis in many fields because past results either cannot be replicated or researchers cannot get the funding to do replication studies to begin with.
The main interest of research journals is to get attention and prestige, not to uphold established orthodoxy. Many journals will eagerly publish groundbreaking or even controversial research because it sends eyeballs (and dollars) their way. That isn’t to say all journals are unscrupulous, but the incentive absolutely exists.
Yea there’s a lot of cool stuff that happens when people come together, there’s also a lot of bad stuff that happens when people become greedy and not on the same page as the rest.
Just a friendly reminder that this destiny fella is an advocate for "ethical CP", funny how that didn't come up in a 4 hour discussion.
Can you explain what’s wrong with his take? 90% of people who have acc heard his take would agree with him.
Oh hell nah. Ethical CP? Lock him up
No he isn't, weirdo. He had a debate with a p3do where he was arguing in FAVOR of the age of consent. In this debate, the p3do brought up a study that theorized that maybe using already created CP in a controlled environment with the consent of all the people involved could stop p3dos from rping chldren.
Destiny responded to that, saying, that he'd have no idea if that would actually work or if that even possible to do ethically, but if it did work and it was possible, then yes, he'd be in favor of that being used, because he'd like to see fewer chldren getting rped.
This response by destiny in his debate against pedophilia was then used by deranged people like you, to paint destiny as a supporter of CP.
@@Whattheflyingfuxk Are those 90% that agree with him Pedophiles?
No shot this meme is still being pulled out years after, a meme that's a complete twisting of the initial conversation that was had on the subject.
I also tend to lean in the direction of leveraging government as a tool to affect change. That said there’s big issues. It’s far too easy for highly resources organizations and people to get the easiest routes and most benefits. While smaller organizations and people are left trudging through red tape and predatory treatment.
If you still believe that leveraging government as a tool to effect change will possibly cause any positive change in the long term, then you seriously need to read up on the last few thousand years of human history.
The State as a concept is only ever effective at organizing violence for a short duration and corruption begins setting in immediately.
It keeps getting more corrupt and dysfunctional until another violent group of thugs kick over the rotten state and do it all over again.
"If you ask a conservative about single payer, they'll tell you no". Thats not true, those opposed to single payer aren't opposed to it just to oppose it for no reason, they oppose it because they know what will come with, higher taxes. Full well knowing that there's no need to raise taxes to give single payer.
Why won't either party agree to single point/topic bills and laws.
Dude, Resevoir Dogs was a movie, not a lifestyle.
Fuel efficient cars that don't pollute are not a standard the government made. Private entities created it and then the buisness lobbied the government to pass fuel efficient standards then imposed those standards on other car manufacturers so some that were operating would have shut down
What issues is the US gov't not addressing..? What about vaccine hesitation, profit in healthcare, child poverty, clean drinking water, disparity between the very rich and the working class leading to mass unhappiness in the US population..?
And things go wrong far more often than they go right when it comes to government having more control or expanding
The word you're looking for is Statist.
I'm disappointed Lex. I feel like you were so close! You brought up the issue of the "boys club", which I would call established politicians. To get rid of them, instill term limits in government. We don't seem to have a system that promotes the best candidates, rather, we seem to have choices given to us. For example, Fetterman vs Dr. Oz. Was this really the best that people voted on to represent their state? Or, was this choice given to us from an established party telling us "This is our guy, whether you like it or not".
You voted for the people that put those representatives up. If you don't like their decisions, then don't vote for them and put them in positions of power to make these decisions.
@@tidalcliff2202 People vote for the ones that get pushed on us. This system we have right now, with multiple choices for candidates to choose from, does not allow us to put the people we want in. There's also a mindset of a wasted vote if you don't choose one of the major 2 political parties. You can make the argument that if everyone didn't think that way, then it would work out but that's not how it works in practice. With that in mind, term limits prevent the same corrupt politicians from holding power and gives a chance for new politicians to become corrupt. In that scenario, at least their corrupt abilities can only last a few years.
Lex asks question.
Destiny: It's way way complicated.
The possible good outcomes from this synergy are far outweighed by the negative moral impact of threat of force coercion.
Literally everything this guy says triggers me lol.
Cool, challenge yourself more. I personally enjoy hate watching Crowder
At least you're honest about it haha
@@kazzz2765at least crowder is funny and more honest though destiny is honest about 20% of the time
@@yourewrongabouteverything "crowder is funny" lol. The failed comedian? Where's the comedy? Also "honest"? He's lies constantly. He's an election denier.
@@yourewrongabouteverything why do you think destiny lies?
I think the US was most divided in the Civil War 😂
Except...all of the things he mentioned were not invented by the government...
Lex needs to work on those sideburns
Generally great conversation but Destiny's comments about politicians evolving their positions "based on what their constituents are voting for" being a good thing is shocking. For someone so precise with words he doesn't even qualify the comment with "if they acquire new information" or something like that. He might have been about to qualify it when Lex responded in which case all is forgiven.
Otherwise this comment really brings into question his entire outlook on things.
We don't want politicians to change what they say they will do just to get elected unless they are telling the truth.
8:23 never really listened to Destiny, but I understand the criticism around him after listening to mere minutes of him talking.
Lex is clearly talking about agendas, donors, and being beholden.
Destiny answers basically saying that agendas and being beholden aren't real, that politicians can change their mind and we should support when they "change their minds" as to get them voted.
I wish there was a info graphic within Destiny's eyesight at all times that shows him that politicians vote for what their donors want and the current laws are right in line with the donors' wishes.
11:38 YES, Woke Left progressives and Trump-loving MAGA both definitely, wholeheartedly agree on ending the fake wars.
That stat alone is enough to entirely stop arguing about trans, lgbtq, blm, racism, etc, and ally with Trump voters to win.
There is no case for big government.... period
This is the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and screaming "LALALALA" 💀
@Adam Jacobs bro thinks ending every sentence with "period" is an argument 💀
@@shsnwksybdeb lol you still didn’t make a case for big government.. guess I was right since all you can do is critique my wording
Ayn Rand has entered the chat....
His argument comes from a place of the "idea of institutions" rather than how they actually function.
The argument comes from a place of observed reality that countries with little to no institutions function objectively worse than most countries with strong institutions. Or do you have some in mind where this isn't the case?
The difference between private and public bureaucracy, the public can't go bankrupt and so, no worry to fail
They can go bankrupt so they just print money and tax the shit out of the people to stop it
This guy is the face of American privilege. He has never known any reality outside of his own existence, which happens to be the most comfortable period in all of human history. Send him to Soviet Russia for 1 day and he will come back a changed man.
My dad went to medical school in Leningrad the only complaint he had about the place was that when he had a roadtrip to Irkutsk the railway got broken and food couldn't be delivered so he had to eat canned tomatoes and bread for a couple of days because that's what they had left at the local market.
Homeboy is so young he’s confusing Iraq and Afghanistan.
“So WMDS in Afghanistan? We were against that war right?”
8:22 "You want people to change their opinion just to get voted in"?! LOL WTF, this dude is inside out and upside down!
I think Destiny is one of the very best at synthesizing (and justifying) left wing ideology. No fluff, clear arguments.
I watch a lot of MSNBC. He uses their exact arguments.
@@gamesthatiplay9083 moronic.
Props to the channel for the title and the content this is such a good clip I haven’t seen it yet but I know it will be
Just because you sound smart doesn't mean you are.
Why are there so many bots talking about Amazon in this comment section?