Some interesting results, I'm sure you'll agree! Which engine would you choose? (P.S.: unlike mobile phones, it's lawful to use a two-way radio while driving in our jurisdiction.)
I drive a 2012 Toyota Auris 1.8 XR HSD hybrid and get 4.2L/100km. The reason why this stronger engine gives a better fuel efficiency statistic to the Sante Fe is the weight of the vehicle and a lower centre of gravity.
Exactly, it rarely gets mentioned in any TH-cam videos that the hybrid requires more expensive services every 10000km as opposed to cheaper services everts 15000km that the diesel and petrol has
@@Neilbirkett39 Is any explanation given for the shorter interval? Surely the ICE runs less and the regen saves on brake wear? Does it use a CVT that needs more regular fluid changes?
@@phillipsaw Most Kia/Hyundai hybrids run dual clutch setups, more economical that CVT's. The shorter interval is to constantly check the electronics and batteries as they are also covered by the warranty of the car.
I have a Niro hybrid, and I can say that driving a hybrid requires a different style of driving and you learn how to eke the most out of the EV mode and how to trigger it. For example, you get it up to speed, set the cruise control, tap the brake, hit resume, voila, ev mode until you climb to steep of a hill for you to continue without the petrol assistance. If you accelerate at a gradual pace, you can do all urban speeds 90% or more on battery. Most efficient motorway speed, is about 90kph. Not 110, unless you are going on a slight downhill, where it is eve all the way and regenerating at the same time. Great test though guys. Two thumbs up.
Drivers 'playing' the EV mode game is what I hate most about hybrids. It means first that they are paying too much attention to the drivetrain/dashboard displays rather than the road, and overall they make acceleration and breaking decisions based on what is most efficient rather than what is safest/considerate for other road users. I'm basically tired of Prius drivers pulling out in front of me and then not accelerating appropriately to match the traffic speed so making everyone behind them brake (wasting fuel in multiple cars) because they don't want to get out of EV mode.
@@zaamuro8408 The dual-clutch transmission in the diesel Santa Fe and KIA Sorento does help a lot in saving fuel. So I believe that some of the advantages of the diesel version over the V6 petrol are contributed by the DCT solution, while the V6 powertrain has been deliberately kept as conventional as possible.
I have a 2022 diesel Santa Fe and the main reason that I bought it is because I love the way it drives. The hybrid was not available at the time of purchase. I drive a mainly freeway 200km round trip to Melbourne about once a fortnight when I often see average 5.3litres per 100km on the trip computer. The car is also used for usual domestic purposes i.e. short trips
If it has DPF (what diesel doesn't in this times, right?) system then short trips aren't good for it. Also - If You don't need big, chunky SUV to Your 200kms trips, then maybe smaller & lighter cars would be beneficial too? I'm dailying Ford Fiesta ST (1.6 EcoBoost), which in any means should stand near "efficiency" and I'm doing like 6L/100km on longer trips. If we get that diesel is up to 20% more efficient (higher torque at lower rews, more dense fuel, etc, etc) in cruising at those trips then I could get like 4.8l/100kms. But still, older diesels like Skoda Fabia 1.9TDi - while doing like 90-100km/h it was just purrin at 4L/100kms!
Hi I am planning to buy the same model next week, caligraphy 2.2 diesel with 7 seats. Checked out the new 2024 model but it is not really my taste and no diesel option. Would you tell me how is your experience so far if you still have the car. Thank you
My 2022 Santa Fe Highlander Diesel has just clocked up 31k with a mix of 50/50, City/Highway driving and over that distance I'm averaging 6.66 l/100km calculated at the pump. Love the torque of the diesel engine!
@@reinerressel975 We don't have the 2.5 litre turbo petrol versions here in Australia! I know it's not the diesel fuel that gives it the torque, duh! I'll try and stay on the road somehow!
Hi I am planning to buy the same model next week, caligraphy 2.2 diesel with 7 seats. Checked out the new 2024 model but it is not really my taste and no diesel option. Would you tell me how is your experience so far if you still have the car. Thank you
Actually diesel does in fact have a higher specific energy that petrol does and can withstand greater compression (so benefit even more from turbo charging than petrol engines do), so diesel as a fuel is what enables these engines to produce much more torque (though lower overall power in hp due to lower maximum engine rpm hence lower top speeds).
What you guys didn’t cover and you should have, is the hybrid requires more expensive servicing costs. It requires servicing every 10000kms and the services are more expensive than the others. We’re talking $2k more servicing costs over the course of 75000kms
What needs to be serviced? You change the oil and filters. The battery and electric motors are pretty much maintenance-free. Yes, something may need to break replaced at 250-300 k, but that is true of all cars.
The biggest caveat is you could buy the v6 base trim at 46k but you need to step up 63k for cheapest trim on hybrid, so it's not just 6.5k difference but a lot more as manufacturers tend to limit hybrids to premium models. As for carbon tax, Australia would be damned to tax cars whilst still investing billions on O&G / coal projects. Only 30% of the grids are renewables so your EV chargers are mostly powered by burning coal. Whilst the biggest polluters are still your cows. Vehicle emissions only account for little pollution in the scale of things.
Excellent video with appreciated high resolution graphics. Just like being there! The testing was well covered and you introduced a topic I had not considered being the tax on CO2 emisions. Thanks from NZ
Exceptional review. I can’t recall a review quite like this in comparing apples for apples. Fantastic job to the team. And also a fellow Budget direct customer insuring my 2014 v6 Jeep grand Cherokee 😅
My daughter has got the 2.5 Mazda Cx5 and we just purchased the 3.5 v6 Santa fe. Driving from Melbourne and filling up at Horshim coming to Adelaide. We had one adult and a young 4 year old child extra with us and more luggage thanks to my wife. A 400 km comparison , Santa fe was at 7.9 l/ 100 km and Cx5 was at 7.3 l/100 km. So much more space in Santa fe. In just town driving the Cx5 will be much better on fuel though.
I had a vw passat that had a range of 1300 ks. Just under 6 litres per 100ks. What ruined it in New Zealand was road user charges. $8.00 per 100ks, so another 4 litres of fuel really
I’ve the Kia Sorento version in AWD diesel eight speed DCT form and my figures really impress me by being with a whisker of my CRV twin turbo 1.6 150hp AWD nine speed auto. My Sorento’s average over 7000 miles is 7.34 l/100kms and I often get 6.73 on longer easy journeys. To put it into perspective that is compared to the 9.5l/100kms that I used to get from a 1977 Ford Fiesta 1.3S with 66hp which weighed around 850kgs or nearly a third of the Hyundai/Kia models we are currently concerned with. No air-con, no safety equipment, no power anything. The main benefit I find with the diesel is that I can fill up from my own home fuel station at any time that is convenient to me and that I get the best part of 1000kms range between refills if driven long distance at the legal speed limits.
Great video but I think you missed "Service cost and Resale Value". I think the diesel might come up as the most economical option as they usually hold their value better as they get older.
Great comparison video, the fuel efficiency vs purchase price and potential emissions charges is valuable. In the channels upcoming videos I’m sure your viewers would love to see a graphic page on battery replacement costs and potential on insurance premiums, Especially since hybrid Hyundai owners in Canada are being charged $15’000 to replace hybrid batteries or over $40’000 for Ev batteries.
I did some urban testing with my Rav4 plugin yesterday. I had run out of battery, thus running it as a pure hybrid. I drove 12,2 km for 20 minutes. The tripcomputer told me it had a consumption of 4,6 liter/100km, which I think is a really good result. My driving was normal, not excessive acceleration and not with an egg under the foot. Considering this is the plugin version it is heavier than the hybrid version weighing in at almost 2000kg. I still think it's too expensive to buy, but I really like the feeling of driving it since it's always so quick and still so smooth compared to a comparable diesel.
My 2009 lexus rx hybrid with a v6 and weighing 2.1 tons does 7.5l/100 on average. Considering it has been on its original battery until now and having driven 280000km I'd say it's a good result. Now with reconditioned battery, I hope to see better economy
@@marksakowski9272 I paid 1500$ US for the battery reconditioning. Total running costs for the 4 years I had the car add up to about 5500$ for maintenance, replacement of water pump, rear shocks, a set of tires, taxes and registration. The fuel economy is now 6l/100km and when I really push it it goes to 5.5l. I know it's not exactly cheap but the car is well worth it in my opinion.
Well done, lads! Good show! I'm glad to see the diesel variant hold its own. I've been a fan of South Korean diesel engines for some time. Not Hyundai, but her sister brand Kia. I'm on my 3rd Kia Sorento with the 2.2L turbodiesel. As trouble-free as they come, as long as you change the oil every 10,000 km. The models I've owned don't have diesel particulate filters, which I'm afraid of, as I've heard many horror stories about them. I'm still not sure if the latest offerings from Kia and Hyundai now have DPFs, or still not. Whenever I've been tempted to buy a European diesel, I remember that they went to DPFs on diesels quite some time ago -- I see that as a can of worms, and I'm instantly discouraged from proceeding.
I have a 2012 diesel Sportage which I am pretty sure has a DPF ( totally clean exhaust pipe) and it has been totally transparent. I think the Koreans have sorted the tech out in a lot more robust way than some others. Of course, I take it for a drive on a motorway fairly regularly so the DPF gets plenty of opportunity to regenerate and many horror stories are "always driven short trips" because of ignorance about this need which falls into the category of inappropriate vehicle for the intended driving. Also the customer not RTFM and using rubbish fuel or thinking they can tip in some canola oil because it is "biodiesel". They also need to be serviced with a special low ash oil which wont clog the DPF. Appalling ignorance seems to be on the rise with some owners ineligible for a pen license let alone owning a car or being responsible for its servicing.
One extra cost of the hybrid is the 6mth/10k service intervals compared to the 12mth/15k service intervals that the diesel and petrol version have. That's a extra impost that pushes back the return on investment even further. If you include the extra expense the return would be well past the 100k distance and 6.5 year mark.
someone is feeding u 💩 , Hybrids have no more maintenance than gas. A Toyota hybrid has the same interval as a non Toyota hybrid. Reality is, they have even less as engine run time is lower over the same distance. Do you really only change your oil once a year 😂 . That will cost you in 3 or 4 years BIG TIME
@@mikej238 Manufactures and dealers will really screw you over if you don't follow the recommended servicing intervals within the warranty period. The 6months vs 1 year thing is something I despise too. I have ignored the 6 months and gone with 1 year myself on those cars after warranty is over. The lower engine running time could mean that the oil isn't getting to temp as often for city drivers so you get issues like sludging ect. Anyway things you wont notice until warranty is over or 150k km or 15 years...
you should address the differences in drivers too - I leave my Passat on Eco and I get 50MPG but my wife drives it like a car thief and only gets 35MPG!
Excellent video. Santa fe highlander will be my next car and living in regional NSW, I was very interested to see the direct comparison between diesel and hybrid, with real world figures. Great video. 👍
The hybrid will not cope well with towing and is hardly better on fuel on the open road than the diesel. The battery will cost a fortune to replace one day( just ask taxi owners) and the two ICE will happily run more that 250 000km .....
If you ignore emissions then the hybrid is too expensive. But it is clearly better for the environment. Did you also factor in the extra interest most people would have to pay when financing? That would further disadvantage the hybrid. More of these types of videos please! Thx
Thanks for a good real world review. I appreciate that the chasing cars team is beginning to highlight CO2 emission from the different engine types. Looking forward to more reviews like this.
You’re not counting the carbon print from lifelong ownership and the manufacturing. It’s a joke to force people into these insanely expensive methods of transportation
not sure about hyundai, but as far as Toyota hybrid goes, it doesn't cost more than non-hybrid toyota. i fact it might even cost less due to the regen brake.
Hybrids pretty well shine on urban runs, & aren't necessarily quite as good on long trips. The V6 Petrol would be a better all rounder under certain conditions. But the diesels still appear to be the pick for a good majority of buyers , & That variants popularity at over 60% of total combined Santa Fe Sales seems to reflect that. with the remaining 40% split between the hybrid & V6 petrol . All are good vehicles regardless , & all variants will suit particular needs of buyers
As a 2016 Santa Fe 2.2 diesel owner, 2wd, A/C off, I achieved 3.6 l/100km, with cruise control set to 80 km/h , only highway. Did the test just for curiosity in a 40km trip.
All the diesel needs normally is oil changes at every 20,000 miles along with the occasional fuel filter. So not really any more than the gas model. Above 200,000kms it may need maintenance to the DPF and Adblue systems but it generally uses slightly less than a litre of Adblue per 1000 miles.
Oil change at 20,000 miles = 32168 km, even at 20,000km services that motor could be full of sludge. Would not matter if you sell it before the warranty runs out.
@@jamespavier1624 Mine is done annually, which if the mileage is not reached, over-rides the mileage. I do between 10 and 12,000 miles annually and believe me, having run Land Cruiser 1-HD FTE engines at 10,000 mile intervals up to 300,000 miles with no discernible wear, [recommended 4500 mile changes], using synthetic 10W/40 diesel oil, modern engines and oils can indeed run long service intervals. Kia has a seven year warranty but mileage is limited. I think Hyundai has a shorter time warranty but higher mileage limit. I did 6000 miles before the first service at one year old [due to restricted use during Covid] and the dealer did not change the oil or filter due to the low mileage.
This is exactly the sort of comparison we need to make informed choices, a full EV is useless if you live outside major cities in Australia. The European, Asian models for EV use don't fit here, hybrid, diesel, petrol are the only choice when you have a 500km journey to make or you have a 100km trip to the local shop. 👍👍👍 Great work.
Great review guys! I love the real-time convoy on road format as it’s more accurate and resonates with most families I’d say. Just hit the subscribe for future videos!!! Well done!
How did you like 'the real-time convoy on road format' while talking on their hand-held walkie talkies? Is it legal to do that as compared to being very naughty and illegal to talk on a handheld mobile phone whilst driving?
Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦 I wish we has diesel option here. I liked the costing comparison at the end, well done! I have an Elantra hybrid on order, it's only been a year?!? Lol I would like to see you add the warranty information which is important to most viewers.
It would have been nice to see a plug in hybrid in the mix. In my plug in hybrid, I can go about 70 km just on electric and on the highway the fuel economy is better than most other sedans of its size. Now this is a four door sedan, but the point is that for me, the vast majority of my day to day driving is all electric, but I don't have to worry about range anxiety if go on a highway trip. In the US, I also got a $7500 tax credit which made the car less expensive than the pure hybrid competitors. In my own opinion, the plug in hybrid is the ideal vehicle.
The 3.5 V6 petrol Santa Fe / Palisade/ is 2WD as far as I know. This means a definite loss of driving dynamics. Further I believe that with 7 adults aboard the gap between the AWD hybrid and AWD diesel will drop significantly. As far as I can see it is a win for the diesel here. The diesel will still be going in 15 years when the hybrid needs a new $8000 battery
Im curious if the fuel economy gap remains the same with the cars being loaded with people/additional weight. Since these type of vehicles are primarily bought/used for hauling people.
That's a good point. One other YT'er found that when he actually _towed_ a trailer with his gigantic EV Ford, the range decreased immensely (maybe to 1/4 of unloaded).
I was really looking forward to this comparison, unfortunately I'm not sure that the V6 data is really usable at all here. The fact that it is a front wheel drive vs two all-wheel-drives means that it has an inherent advantage here in a cost analysis. Even though it was thirstier than both the diesel in the hybrid if it was an all-wheel-drive version the consumption would have been even higher and the purchase price would have been higher as well. Since a FWD was used it is going to use considerably less fuel than the V6 all-wheel drive vehicles would have. The fuel efficiency the differences between front-wheel drive versus all wheel drive vehicles is considerable as all wheel drive vehicles will ALWAYS be less efficient due to weight, and the fact that they expend more power to drive all of the wheels. While you were up front about this in the beginning you did not point this out in your conclusion. This being the case people should disregard the data presented on the V6 entirely and look up the estimated values of the AWD V6. Sure those values will be estimates instead of the verified results that you personally obtained but in this instance it's the best you can do. The other option would have been for you guys to include the published information for an all-wheel-drive version in your summary. I realize the channel could not help that they were provided the FWD. by Hyundai. The comparison between the diesel and the hybrid was perfect so thank you. With the hybrid taking 6.5yrs to break even and the diesel 5.5yrs. Considering buyers know in advance that hybrid vehicles cost more in general, most hybrid buyers are making a conscious decision/attempt to reduce emissions so the additional year of breakeven time is probably not an issue at all. Two entirely different goals at play. I know it personally wouldn't be a factor for me. I don't own one but would consider a hybrid as they make a great deal of sense for my usage. Another thing that was not mentioned is depending on what type of hybrid is purchased it may come with other benefits such as tax breaks and incentives that could completely eliminate the cost difference and price them competitively or cheaper than the V6 when applied. Thanks again though
On the Santa fe it is not driving 4 wheels all the time. Only when slip on front wheels happens , which rarely happens especially in a dry normal enviroment...
Great video. I'm in Canberra and our car registration fees are already moving from a weight based calculation to being emissions based. The government says that for 96% of vehicles there will not be any change, but it will be cheaper for EVs, in particular. It's part of their push to encourage people to ditch the ICE and electrify. Great if you can afford an EV.
Top 5 comment I think personally Tom, owning any type of "new" car in Australia petrol/diesel/Hybrid/PHEV/Full EV is never economically efficient, going to save you any money, in the short term. Owning a car in Australia, was and still is a privilege IE You have the money, you can afford to buy any type of car in Australia, and be able to keep it on the road. Buying the most frugal new car, never works out to be that frugal............now an old ICE frugal banger...possibly!
Just buy what you want and offset it by having a solar system with battery at home. 100% ev cars aren't green at all. John Cadogan just did a video re the same thing
@@Iwishiwasflying the huge advantage of EV’s is that they are ultra efficient compared to ICE on the order of % 80-90 compared to the pathetic %15 of ice powered. That translates to using a LOT more fuel. EV’s bring another advantage of having power coming from one centralized clean power generation as opposed to a billion gas powered vehicles all in varying states of tune 😮
It would be interesting if you could add a projected resale value after 3 years to the equation. I am not convinced the argument to recouping investment is so relevant taking the resale into account. Sure you pay more for the diesel and hybrid at purchase compared to the petrol engine in all cars, however resale price of those vehicles would also be higher at sale time. What do you think?
I am not sure about the hybrid model. Higher km means a potential battery replacement of thousands of dollars. Suddenly you have never saved any money as you allready needs 6 years to make up for up front cost. Towing is your other limitation ....
My 2014 Santa Fe manual diesel had the best fuel consumption ever. My 2020 Santa Fe automatic gets 7l urban and under 6l on a long highway trip. My manual used leas fuel however no longer sold. It would be interesting to see how the hybrid tows. EV would be worse than the diesel and V6. I like the amazing range on the highway and awesome drive.
I used to own an ICE Subaru Crosstrek and had fill the tank twice in one month. Now I own an Escape hybrid and fill tank once a month. Also, the battery moves the vehicle about 60% of the time in my driving saving the engine. And hybrids are easier on the brakes. And on the freeway, I average 42mpg and average 46.7 mpg over 19,000 miles. And the hybrid was a $1,500 option in 2020.
Hi guys from Scotland, great review and well presented. To carry on and complete the review to its conclusion, I wonder if a comparison as to how green each vehicle is and how much pollution each vehicle contributes to the atmosphere. The CO2 from each car should be calculated and rated. Diesel produces a different type of pollution to petrol so perhaps a table of grading for each substance and the total at the end. The Hybrid battery disposal etc needs to be calculated also. On top of that the actual cost to the environment of producing the fuel each vehicle needs would be an eye opener! On an electric car I dread to think the environmental damage done to produce the electricity to recharge batteries? A massive task to work all this out but guess what........ you are just the guys to pull it off. keep up the good work, Dave
Great video, really helpful. Would love to see more comparisons like this (X-Trail next?). Would also be great to see the difference in servicing costs over the break even period.
How can this video be great. They faked the exhaust on the petrol car. It doesn't operate that way. Showing the so called fumes were shown to fool you not to buy it as to "safe" the planet. Pure propaganda.
I bought a Prius (hybrid) new in 2008. A significant factor that you may not be aware of is that hybrids are generally easy on brakes. Instead of dumping all that energy in heat, like a conventional car, almost all of that braking energy goes into the batteries. I have yet to have to do any brake repairs at 220,000 Km. From what I’ve read, I probably won’t have to replace the brakes for the life of the car (400,000 Km?). That is a significant savings over a conventional car. I maintained my wife two minivans over 20 years and replaced the front pads ~every 33,000 Km and rotors at ~100,000 Km. We could be talking $3,000 worth of brake repairs over the vehicle life.
@@chasingcars Yet another inane distinction in the eyes of our lawmakers. In which universe does having a hand off the steering wheel and talking into a radio differ from holding and talking into a mobile phone. Oh wait, maybe because the radio doesn't have a screen...? 🙄
How fast did you drive on the highway? I tried Kia Sorento PHEV 1.6 2023 i Sweden. I tried driving it att 140 km/h and the fuel consumptions was close to 12.5 l/100km
they would have been doing 100/110kmh that kind of speed will get your car impounded for 30 days a 6 month loss of license and a $2400 fine we have the slowest and most over enforced speed limits in the world because it makes the government a shit load of money
I have a 2019 ford fusion hybrid. I bought it factory certified less than a year old. It was less expensive than the Ecoboost version. I get double the fuel mileage as the Ecoboost. The fact that it is far more economical is not even disputed.
This just shows that in the real world, the extra hybrid or diesel cost is ALWAYS hard to recuperate unless you do a lot of city stop start and like to visit the petrol station less. One thing to consider is whether the hybrid or diesel version is better to drive - in the case of the Santa Fe, the V6 is still best for most buyers.
The problem is, Batteries will not last that 6 years with all the stress of moving a car, getting hot and cold in a such manner. Even in my garden power tools, they only last a year before failing, is a big demmand and technology is not there already.
Whilst I understand the calculation that it would take 6 years to recoup the additional cost of the hybrid, wouldn't the hybrid maintain a higher price differential if it was sold? Therefore purely calculating just km's required for payback is simplistic? The differential for Phev to petrol only can be 15k to 20k and would have a much longer payback too, but some will be able to gain Fbt tax savings on a novated lease for instance.
I bought a hybrid Hyundai Tucson in the US. Fual economy was a big factor driving over 25k miles or 40k km a year. The ride quality and performance were plusses. My fuel cost saving benefits have been reduced by the drop in gas prices. Not complaining about paying less than anticipated fuel. I think hardly anyone would have though fuel prices would be down 20% from 11months ago.
Good comparison to give people a better idea if they are actually saving. If you are someone who regularly trade in your vehicles and not keep them for a long time then paying more for a hybrid or electric vehicle to save on fuel costs would not make sense.
Fantastic real world comparison fellas. Great stats/tables. Really useful stuff. Well done. Some testing of EV vs ice and payback period would be really interesting if you can get some relatively comparable or at least similar sized / similar use car scenarios.
its helpful, but just one trip. it was done at the same time( similar conditions) but obviously with different drivers. real world is great, but if you do real world you need to do a lot to smooth out the differences. the reason all the test are done in labs is to get repeatable results, they dont claim to be real world. they claim to be consisyent and comparable to other vehicles.
Great review guys. I enjoyed this comparison. It would be interesting for you to do similar testing with the new Kona when it arrives. You could compare the petrol, hybrid and EV.
Hybrid more make sense if it is PHEV. You live in urban area, use electric for daily drive in urban area. Back home charge it again Only use combustion engine for occasionally longer range drive.
This is why I like my PHEV. The other day, just because of the way my day worked out and how much charging I could do between trips I took a picture because I hit 100km driving at 0.6L/100km (392 USMPG). I'm almost always below 2l/100km (117 USMPG) and charging it only costs about a buck since electricity is very cheap where I live. It's rated for 47km of EV only range, but in the city I usually hit 55km, and more like 40 if at highway speeds.
Your conclusion indicates that it’s better to buy a hybrid car because it feels more comfortable, smooth and has less emissions tax which government will add in the future, correct?
I'm not well versed on Australian government car emissions standards as I'm from Europe, but I was surprised that you alluded to the fact Australia doesn't have any? With the constant barrage regarding electric cars and emissions standards I'm genuinely surprised the V6 version of the Santa Fe exists; I spend a lot of time between Europe and the US for work and I assumed the US would be the worst country in terms of emission standardisation, I would have never thought it would be Australia. I'm a car guy but I can recognise the need for fuel economy/emission evolvement and I'm shocked the Australian government would allow a naturally aspirated (specifically) V6 etc to be sold in this day and age. You inadvertently informed other nations with your video, great content and videography, keep it up!
Another factor to consider are tax savings through novated leasing (depending on jurisdiction) for PHEV (we have the ‘sister’ Sorento), which makes break even time much sooner. For me, I’m saving $13k in income tax per year
Great comparison. Throughout the video I kept thinking about depreciation and that was addressed at the end. I sold my V6 Sorrento for that very reason. If/when this co2 tax cpmes in, the value will tank. I have gone for a hybrid vehicle.
Great video, only one ‘factor’ missing (IMHO) and that’s the additional full life-cycle mileage that Diesel engines have over petrol. I drive an old diesel with over 500k km on the clock and mechanically, still going strong when most petrol engines have already given up…
How can I say it. It really depends of the car. I still drive my gasoline 2002 Lexus today. It has an exceptionnal life cycle, in regard to a Volkswagen Diesel that would crap away at 200k. ... Newer diesel's tend to be rather sensitive, due to all the tech they need to comply with emission norms. But in general, the secret is to find the most uncomplicated engine as possible. And it will do good life cycles.
One other important issue is the battery replacement, the hybrid taking an average 6 years to break even gets pushed out further when you have to replace batteries, while it might be 10 years out, it is a significant issue, then also what is the period most people keep cars, if you keep a car for 5 years, you will never break even on a hybrid, I know i have done the math and 6 years is actually one of the better ranges of time, it is worse for some other cars. Lastly, your 6k difference might be higher. When the car is out the door after tax and fees and dealer premiums, it might be much more than a 6k difference, that might be worth considering. Some hybrids have a 5k premium due to the lack of availability, in this case that would push the break even to 11 years.
Do a retest on these vehicles after a 4-5000 mile break in period. My Santa Fe Hybrid limited went from just over 31 combined mpg to almost 38 combined mpg.
As batteries age, the fuel efficiency advantage of the hybrid decreases. In 6.5 years, the batteries will need replacing. So, the hybrid never pays for itself. You're giving the government/Hyundai an interest-free loan.
@@papaGhurkawrong, Toyota batteries are not PRO RATED... yeah go ahead. There are Prius on the road original battery 300 000k on it. Ask yourself why every cab in North America is a hybrid? Every cab in NYC is a Rav 4 Hybrid. In Canada Toyota hybrids are only 1800 bucks more than the exact same gas model. Go ahead piss your $$$$ away. Gas ain't ever going to be any cheaper.
2004 Toyota Prius 19 years over 200,000 miles still the same battery and you say the battery doesn’t last you beater look again and it is still get 48mpg and 50mpg on non hills. So you are not doing a true comparison of apples to apples 4 wheel drive against a front wheel drive and a lot of different things that are not even equal.
Having owned petrol, diesel and hybrid cars of various models, I have come to the conclusion that diesels need big highway kms to keep dpf’s happy and to get great economy, where as my hybrid is outstanding in the city as its scavenges all that breaking energy in typical stop /start driving. But if you aren’t doing big kms, then the initial cost saving of a standard petrol may be the better option. I have also seen fuel costs in comparison fluctuate between petrol and diesel so it’s hard to put a cost saving there. Horses for courses.
I am surprised that Tom didn't tell persons to get a hatchback instead as he did in a previous video. Personally I would go for the v6 as if anything goes wrong with it it would be cheaper to fix than the diesel and the hybrid counterparts.
im for the santa fe highlander diesel my parents have had 3 of these over the last 6 years they got a new one last month i myself a toyota hybird person and normally hybrid is better around town then on the highway thanks for the real test its good to know
Really good comparison, as always the companies fuel consumption never match. I did something similar: For work I used to drive 350km to a city, I did that trip a lot of times with 2 different models of mitsubishi katana, the only difference one was rwd with 215/70/16 tires, the other 4x4 245/70/16, the last uses much more fuel, with the first i was able to do all the week with the 75 liter tank, the other I was not sure if was capable.
Sensational test and feedback , but you did not mention service costs and hybrid have a lot more things to service and go wrong, also the cost of battery replacements, Maybe the on the next test drive. Hopefully this is good feedback
Great report. Thanks for the info. I wonder if a diesel excise is coming too? Also, there is often a price discrepancy of 40-60c from diesel and petrol. Is that covered in the report?
Diesel has been subsidizing the cost of making unleaded fuel for 30 plus years. Diesel has always been a cheaper fuel to produce. So if the price of diesel was at its true cost to produce, then it would be untouchable.
This video is so accurate because all the HYUNDAI driver testers in this video do not obey the Australian law, “Keep left unless overtaking”. Lead by example and drive around with no seatbelts on next time.
At the 1:00 mark the vehicles are clearly all in the middle lane with the left lane clear, that mooney mooney bridge has a speed limit of 110kph. I know that stretch of road. It’s just an observation mate, I don’t want to offend. Sydney had clogged up freeways, proper lane discipline would help the flow of traffic & could cause less accidents & reduce commuters frustration. I love your information packed videos which are well written & presented. It’s just an observation. Keep up the good work and remember that the left lane works fine no need to avoid it.
Brilliant review, Chasing Cars are now for me one of a couple of independent reviewers , the others now are all about click bait and who is paying to advertise with them .
Great video, thanks. After purchasing a 2022 Navara diesel Pro4x ute, which claims 7.0L/100km on the highway, I would like to see a diesel ute dual cab consumption test against rivals to show how woefully under quoted these cars can be advertised. At 80-100km/h on flat roads (tested) on the Nullabor, the car consumption figure was high 9s/100km and the actual pump calculations was around 10L/100km. The dealer attempted to tell me the consumption gets "better" after 10,000km. But now with 30,000km down, it's nowhere near 7.0L or even 8L/100km. I'd love it if you can replicate this testing with the Navara and Ranger and Isuzu competition please?
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Some interesting results, I'm sure you'll agree! Which engine would you choose?
(P.S.: unlike mobile phones, it's lawful to use a two-way radio while driving in our jurisdiction.)
Good work on some out of box testing. Would liked to have seen the trip computer test results as a comparison against actual consumption at the pump
How many years would you recoup the extra spend from a diesel to the hybrid?
Lawful maybe, sensible? --- surely the cars have BT hands free coms so you can set up something like a 3 way call?
I drive a 2012 Toyota Auris 1.8 XR HSD hybrid and get 4.2L/100km. The reason why this stronger engine gives a better fuel efficiency statistic to the Sante Fe is the weight of the vehicle and a lower centre of gravity.
"it's lawful to use a two-way radio" OK, but why use audio recording from other car while you are using them?
A comparison of servicing costs over the warranty period for each variant also factors into the running cost and would be helpful in the comparison.
Exactly, it rarely gets mentioned in any TH-cam videos that the hybrid requires more expensive services every 10000km as opposed to cheaper services everts 15000km that the diesel and petrol has
@@Neilbirkett39 Is any explanation given for the shorter interval? Surely the ICE runs less and the regen saves on brake wear? Does it use a CVT that needs more regular fluid changes?
@@phillipsaw Most Kia/Hyundai hybrids run dual clutch setups, more economical that CVT's. The shorter interval is to constantly check the electronics and batteries as they are also covered by the warranty of the car.
and long term servicing costs, and depreciation, because what happens when you try to sell an ev with 'flat' batteries
all hyundais are Hybrid.
they all burns oil and gas😂
I have a Niro hybrid, and I can say that driving a hybrid requires a different style of driving and you learn how to eke the most out of the EV mode and how to trigger it. For example, you get it up to speed, set the cruise control, tap the brake, hit resume, voila, ev mode until you climb to steep of a hill for you to continue without the petrol assistance. If you accelerate at a gradual pace, you can do all urban speeds 90% or more on battery. Most efficient motorway speed, is about 90kph. Not 110, unless you are going on a slight downhill, where it is eve all the way and regenerating at the same time.
Great test though guys. Two thumbs up.
Drivers 'playing' the EV mode game is what I hate most about hybrids. It means first that they are paying too much attention to the drivetrain/dashboard displays rather than the road, and overall they make acceleration and breaking decisions based on what is most efficient rather than what is safest/considerate for other road users.
I'm basically tired of Prius drivers pulling out in front of me and then not accelerating appropriately to match the traffic speed so making everyone behind them brake (wasting fuel in multiple cars) because they don't want to get out of EV mode.
It is worth to take note that these three models have different transmissions, and that makes a lot of difference.
Good spot there!
@@zaamuro8408 The dual-clutch transmission in the diesel Santa Fe and KIA Sorento does help a lot in saving fuel. So I believe that some of the advantages of the diesel version over the V6 petrol are contributed by the DCT solution, while the V6 powertrain has been deliberately kept as conventional as possible.
And also the fact that the V6 is lighter as it is an Elite trim. The highlander would weigh more due to the extra kit e.g sunroof
As well as the fact that you have to go with the diesel or hybrid to get AWD
Yes, but he is not comparing transmissions here. He is comparing the fuel savings of three different types of fuel systems within the same model line.
To eliminate the driver factor, each of you should take turns to drive 3 cars. Good job 👏
Underrated comment
I have a 2022 diesel Santa Fe and the main reason that I bought it is because I love the way it drives. The hybrid was not available at the time of purchase. I drive a mainly freeway 200km round trip to Melbourne about once a fortnight when I often see average 5.3litres per 100km on the trip computer. The car is also used for usual domestic purposes i.e. short trips
If it has DPF (what diesel doesn't in this times, right?) system then short trips aren't good for it. Also - If You don't need big, chunky SUV to Your 200kms trips, then maybe smaller & lighter cars would be beneficial too? I'm dailying Ford Fiesta ST (1.6 EcoBoost), which in any means should stand near "efficiency" and I'm doing like 6L/100km on longer trips. If we get that diesel is up to 20% more efficient (higher torque at lower rews, more dense fuel, etc, etc) in cruising at those trips then I could get like 4.8l/100kms. But still, older diesels like Skoda Fabia 1.9TDi - while doing like 90-100km/h it was just purrin at 4L/100kms!
Hi
I am planning to buy the same model next week, caligraphy 2.2 diesel with 7 seats. Checked out the new 2024 model but it is not really my taste and no diesel option. Would you tell me how is your experience so far if you still have the car.
Thank you
My 2022 Santa Fe Highlander Diesel has just clocked up 31k with a mix of 50/50, City/Highway driving and over that distance I'm averaging 6.66 l/100km calculated at the pump. Love the torque of the diesel engine!
It’s not the diesel , it’s the turbocharger . Test drive a turbocharged petrol ! Try to stay on the road !
@@reinerressel975 We don't have the 2.5 litre turbo petrol versions here in Australia! I know it's not the diesel fuel that gives it the torque, duh! I'll try and stay on the road somehow!
Hi
I am planning to buy the same model next week, caligraphy 2.2 diesel with 7 seats.
Checked out the new 2024 model but it is not really my taste and no diesel option.
Would you tell me how is your experience so far if you still have the car.
Thank you
Actually diesel does in fact have a higher specific energy that petrol does and can withstand greater compression (so benefit even more from turbo charging than petrol engines do), so diesel as a fuel is what enables these engines to produce much more torque (though lower overall power in hp due to lower maximum engine rpm hence lower top speeds).
One of the best reviews & comparison line ups I have seen in a few years, well done.
What you guys didn’t cover and you should have, is the hybrid requires more expensive servicing costs. It requires servicing every 10000kms and the services are more expensive than the others. We’re talking $2k more servicing costs over the course of 75000kms
What needs to be serviced? You change the oil and filters. The battery and electric motors are pretty much maintenance-free. Yes, something may need to break replaced at 250-300 k, but that is true of all cars.
This is what I love about your reviews, making more like real life scenarios with multiple cars. Thank you
The biggest caveat is you could buy the v6 base trim at 46k but you need to step up 63k for cheapest trim on hybrid, so it's not just 6.5k difference but a lot more as manufacturers tend to limit hybrids to premium models.
As for carbon tax, Australia would be damned to tax cars whilst still investing billions on O&G / coal projects. Only 30% of the grids are renewables so your EV chargers are mostly powered by burning coal. Whilst the biggest polluters are still your cows. Vehicle emissions only account for little pollution in the scale of things.
WOW, the video quality is on another level. Great job!
Excellent video with appreciated high resolution graphics. Just like being there! The testing was well covered and you introduced a topic I had not considered being the tax on CO2 emisions. Thanks from NZ
Great video! More real world tests like these are needed to substantiate car manufacturer’s claims of fuel economy/efficiency.
@chasing cars - Thanks for giving the idea of taxing co2 emissions down under 😅
Exceptional review. I can’t recall a review quite like this in comparing apples for apples. Fantastic job to the team. And also a fellow Budget direct customer insuring my 2014 v6 Jeep grand Cherokee 😅
is your jgc diesel?
For me nothing beats a diesel ICE it offers low cost, reliability and they are kings of highways.
Interesting comparison. I have had 2l diesel cars for years and regularly get high 5 or low 6 l/100km as a long term average, mainly town use.
My daughter has got the 2.5 Mazda Cx5 and we just purchased the 3.5 v6 Santa fe. Driving from Melbourne and filling up at Horshim coming to Adelaide. We had one adult and a young 4 year old child extra with us and more luggage thanks to my wife. A 400 km comparison , Santa fe was at 7.9 l/ 100 km and Cx5 was at 7.3 l/100 km.
So much more space in Santa fe. In just town driving the Cx5 will be much better on fuel though.
I had a vw passat that had a range of 1300 ks. Just under 6 litres per 100ks. What ruined it in New Zealand was road user charges. $8.00 per 100ks, so another 4 litres of fuel really
I have a 2.0L Peugeot Diesel. On the highway 5.5L/100km - around town about 7L/100km@@conradscheepers
The Santa fe is almost a 2 ton 7 seat SUV ....and very economical for the size vechile .
I’ve the Kia Sorento version in AWD diesel eight speed DCT form and my figures really impress me by being with a whisker of my CRV twin turbo 1.6 150hp AWD nine speed auto. My Sorento’s average over 7000 miles is 7.34 l/100kms and I often get 6.73 on longer easy journeys. To put it into perspective that is compared to the 9.5l/100kms that I used to get from a 1977 Ford Fiesta 1.3S with 66hp which weighed around 850kgs or nearly a third of the Hyundai/Kia models we are currently concerned with. No air-con, no safety equipment, no power anything.
The main benefit I find with the diesel is that I can fill up from my own home fuel station at any time that is convenient to me and that I get the best part of 1000kms range between refills if driven long distance at the legal speed limits.
Great video but I think you missed "Service cost and Resale Value". I think the diesel might come up as the most economical option as they usually hold their value better as they get older.
Diesel cost more to buy at the pump
@@Karl-Benny not at the moment. In adelaide diesels $1.80 while petrols $2
@@Karl-Benny it did for a while, but not so much now. Diesel should actually be cheaper because it's cheaper to make than petrol.
Diesel is a pollutant...bad for the environment. Solar energy vehicles should be explored more thoroughly.
@@beach3girl459 wind energy cars would be better for the environment than solar panel cars haha
Great comparison video, the fuel efficiency vs purchase price and potential emissions charges is valuable. In the channels upcoming videos I’m sure your viewers would love to see a graphic page on battery replacement costs and potential on insurance premiums, Especially since hybrid Hyundai owners in Canada are being charged $15’000 to replace hybrid batteries or over $40’000 for Ev batteries.
I did some urban testing with my Rav4 plugin yesterday. I had run out of battery, thus running it as a pure hybrid. I drove 12,2 km for 20 minutes. The tripcomputer told me it had a consumption of 4,6 liter/100km, which I think is a really good result. My driving was normal, not excessive acceleration and not with an egg under the foot. Considering this is the plugin version it is heavier than the hybrid version weighing in at almost 2000kg. I still think it's too expensive to buy, but I really like the feeling of driving it since it's always so quick and still so smooth compared to a comparable diesel.
My 2009 lexus rx hybrid with a v6 and weighing 2.1 tons does 7.5l/100 on average.
Considering it has been on its original battery until now and having driven 280000km I'd say it's a good result. Now with reconditioned battery, I hope to see better economy
@@dgurevich1 how much have you paid for the reconditioning of the battery and how much did it increase its running costs?????
@@marksakowski9272 I paid 1500$ US for the battery reconditioning. Total running costs for the 4 years I had the car add up to about 5500$ for maintenance, replacement of water pump, rear shocks, a set of tires, taxes and registration. The fuel economy is now 6l/100km and when I really push it it goes to 5.5l. I know it's not exactly cheap but the car is well worth it in my opinion.
Well done, lads! Good show! I'm glad to see the diesel variant hold its own. I've been a fan of South Korean diesel engines for some time. Not Hyundai, but her sister brand Kia. I'm on my 3rd Kia Sorento with the 2.2L turbodiesel. As trouble-free as they come, as long as you change the oil every 10,000 km. The models I've owned don't have diesel particulate filters, which I'm afraid of, as I've heard many horror stories about them. I'm still not sure if the latest offerings from Kia and Hyundai now have DPFs, or still not. Whenever I've been tempted to buy a European diesel, I remember that they went to DPFs on diesels quite some time ago -- I see that as a can of worms, and I'm instantly discouraged from proceeding.
I have a 2012 diesel Sportage which I am pretty sure has a DPF ( totally clean exhaust pipe) and it has been totally transparent. I think the Koreans have sorted the tech out in a lot more robust way than some others. Of course, I take it for a drive on a motorway fairly regularly so the DPF gets plenty of opportunity to regenerate and many horror stories are "always driven short trips" because of ignorance about this need which falls into the category of inappropriate vehicle for the intended driving. Also the customer not RTFM and using rubbish fuel or thinking they can tip in some canola oil because it is "biodiesel". They also need to be serviced with a special low ash oil which wont clog the DPF. Appalling ignorance seems to be on the rise with some owners ineligible for a pen license let alone owning a car or being responsible for its servicing.
One extra cost of the hybrid is the 6mth/10k service intervals compared to the 12mth/15k service intervals that the diesel and petrol version have. That's a extra impost that pushes back the return on investment even further. If you include the extra expense the return would be well past the 100k distance and 6.5 year mark.
someone is feeding u 💩 , Hybrids have no more maintenance than gas. A Toyota hybrid has the same interval as a non Toyota hybrid. Reality is, they have even less as engine run time is lower over the same distance. Do you really only change your oil once a year 😂 . That will cost you in 3 or 4 years BIG TIME
@@mikej238 Manufactures and dealers will really screw you over if you don't follow the recommended servicing intervals within the warranty period. The 6months vs 1 year thing is something I despise too. I have ignored the 6 months and gone with 1 year myself on those cars after warranty is over.
The lower engine running time could mean that the oil isn't getting to temp as often for city drivers so you get issues like sludging ect. Anyway things you wont notice until warranty is over or 150k km or 15 years...
Not true. I drive Lexus CT200. Service interval is 10000 miles or one year.
you should address the differences in drivers too - I leave my Passat on Eco and I get 50MPG but my wife drives it like a car thief and only gets 35MPG!
Excellent video. Santa fe highlander will be my next car and living in regional NSW, I was very interested to see the direct comparison between diesel and hybrid, with real world figures.
Great video. 👍
The hybrid will not cope well with towing and is hardly better on fuel on the open road than the diesel. The battery will cost a fortune to replace one day( just ask taxi owners) and the two ICE will happily run more that 250 000km .....
Best comparison video I have seen in TH-cam, great work guys!
If you ignore emissions then the hybrid is too expensive. But it is clearly better for the environment. Did you also factor in the extra interest most people would have to pay when financing? That would further disadvantage the hybrid. More of these types of videos please! Thx
Whose environment? The Hybrid's battery and more complex components mean a much higher CO2 footprint during mining, refining and manufacture.
We have the same dilemmas in Texas. Thanks for your "Down Under" perspective. Better than lots of "Up and Over" videos.
Thanks for a good real world review. I appreciate that the chasing cars team is beginning to highlight CO2 emission from the different engine types. Looking forward to more reviews like this.
How much are these Labor carbon dioxide taxes going to be when carbon monoxide is actually pollution.
You’re not counting the carbon print from lifelong ownership and the manufacturing.
It’s a joke to force people into these insanely expensive methods of transportation
Nice vid!👏
Would have loved to see the maintenance costs also factored into the calc
not sure about hyundai, but as far as Toyota hybrid goes, it doesn't cost more than non-hybrid toyota. i fact it might even cost less due to the regen brake.
Hybrids pretty well shine on urban runs, & aren't necessarily quite as good on long trips. The V6 Petrol would be a better all rounder under certain conditions. But the diesels still appear to be the pick for a good majority of buyers , & That variants popularity at over 60% of total combined Santa Fe Sales seems to reflect that. with the remaining 40% split between the hybrid & V6 petrol . All are good vehicles regardless , & all variants will suit particular needs of buyers
Just completed a 5300 km round trip. On the open road we got real good fuel economy . Mostly about 7.7 l/ 100 km.
As a 2016 Santa Fe 2.2 diesel owner, 2wd, A/C off, I achieved 3.6 l/100km, with cruise control set to 80 km/h , only highway. Did the test just for curiosity in a 40km trip.
This would have been a closer test if the V6 petrol was also AWD. Also the diesel is more expensive to maintain.
All the diesel needs normally is oil changes at every 20,000 miles along with the occasional fuel filter. So not really any more than the gas model. Above 200,000kms it may need maintenance to the DPF and Adblue systems but it generally uses slightly less than a litre of Adblue per 1000 miles.
Oil change at 20,000 miles = 32168 km, even at 20,000km services that motor could be full of sludge. Would not matter if you sell it before the warranty runs out.
@@jamespavier1624
Mine is done annually, which if the mileage is not reached, over-rides the mileage. I do between 10 and 12,000 miles annually and believe me, having run Land Cruiser 1-HD FTE engines at 10,000 mile intervals up to 300,000 miles with no discernible wear, [recommended 4500 mile changes], using synthetic 10W/40 diesel oil, modern engines and oils can indeed run long service intervals. Kia has a seven year warranty but mileage is limited. I think Hyundai has a shorter time warranty but higher mileage limit.
I did 6000 miles before the first service at one year old [due to restricted use during Covid] and the dealer did not change the oil or filter due to the low mileage.
This is exactly the sort of comparison we need to make informed choices, a full EV is useless if you live outside major cities in Australia. The European, Asian models for EV use don't fit here, hybrid, diesel, petrol are the only choice when you have a 500km journey to make or you have a 100km trip to the local shop.
👍👍👍 Great work.
Great review guys! I love the real-time convoy on road format as it’s more accurate and resonates with most families I’d say. Just hit the subscribe for future videos!!! Well done!
How did you like 'the real-time convoy on road format' while talking on their hand-held walkie talkies? Is it legal to do that as compared to being very naughty and illegal to talk on a handheld mobile phone whilst driving?
Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦 I wish we has diesel option here. I liked the costing comparison at the end, well done! I have an Elantra hybrid on order, it's only been a year?!? Lol I would like to see you add the warranty information which is important to most viewers.
Really good guys. I would love to see the same test with the new Mazda CX60 when it arrives.
I'll buy the diesel, every day of the year!
Great and interesting results! Would it be bad to request another EV drive to empty video with all the new EV's since your last vid? :P
It would have been nice to see a plug in hybrid in the mix. In my plug in hybrid, I can go about 70 km just on electric and on the highway the fuel economy is better than most other sedans of its size. Now this is a four door sedan, but the point is that for me, the vast majority of my day to day driving is all electric, but I don't have to worry about range anxiety if go on a highway trip. In the US, I also got a $7500 tax credit which made the car less expensive than the pure hybrid competitors. In my own opinion, the plug in hybrid is the ideal vehicle.
The 3.5 V6 petrol Santa Fe / Palisade/ is 2WD as far as I know. This means a definite loss of driving dynamics. Further I believe that with 7 adults aboard the gap between the AWD hybrid and AWD diesel will drop significantly. As far as I can see it is a win for the diesel here. The diesel will still be going in 15 years when the hybrid needs a new $8000 battery
The awd is on demand only, so most of the time it is also 2wd.
@@aussiefarmer6012 Thats a significant issue. Under acceleration with demand you have AWD traction when you need it
Had my Santa Fe hybrid 5 months done 5000km around sunny coast with odd trip to Bris. Average 6.3 l per 100 km
Love the car
Im curious if the fuel economy gap remains the same with the cars being loaded with people/additional weight. Since these type of vehicles are primarily bought/used for hauling people.
That's a good point. One other YT'er found that when he actually _towed_ a trailer with his gigantic EV Ford, the range decreased immensely (maybe to 1/4 of unloaded).
I am driving past one month and driven around 950km including both urban and highway. My display is 6l per 100km for the hybrid 😊.
I was really looking forward to this comparison, unfortunately I'm not sure that the V6 data is really usable at all here. The fact that it is a front wheel drive vs two all-wheel-drives means that it has an inherent advantage here in a cost analysis. Even though it was thirstier than both the diesel in the hybrid if it was an all-wheel-drive version the consumption would have been even higher and the purchase price would have been higher as well. Since a FWD was used it is going to use considerably less fuel than the V6 all-wheel drive vehicles would have. The fuel efficiency the differences between front-wheel drive versus all wheel drive vehicles is considerable as all wheel drive vehicles will ALWAYS be less efficient due to weight, and the fact that they expend more power to drive all of the wheels. While you were up front about this in the beginning you did not point this out in your conclusion. This being the case people should disregard the data presented on the V6 entirely and look up the estimated values of the AWD V6. Sure those values will be estimates instead of the verified results that you personally obtained but in this instance it's the best you can do. The other option would have been for you guys to include the published information for an all-wheel-drive version in your summary. I realize the channel could not help that they were provided the FWD. by Hyundai.
The comparison between the diesel and the hybrid was perfect so thank you. With the hybrid taking 6.5yrs to break even and the diesel 5.5yrs. Considering buyers know in advance that hybrid vehicles cost more in general, most hybrid buyers are making a conscious decision/attempt to reduce emissions so the additional year of breakeven time is probably not an issue at all. Two entirely different goals at play. I know it personally wouldn't be a factor for me. I don't own one but would consider a hybrid as they make a great deal of sense for my usage. Another thing that was not mentioned is depending on what type of hybrid is purchased it may come with other benefits such as tax breaks and incentives that could completely eliminate the cost difference and price them competitively or cheaper than the V6 when applied.
Thanks again though
On the Santa fe it is not driving 4 wheels all the time. Only when slip on front wheels happens , which rarely happens especially in a dry normal enviroment...
Great video.
I'm in Canberra and our car registration fees are already moving from a weight based calculation to being emissions based. The government says that for 96% of vehicles there will not be any change, but it will be cheaper for EVs, in particular. It's part of their push to encourage people to ditch the ICE and electrify. Great if you can afford an EV.
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I think personally Tom, owning any type of "new" car in Australia petrol/diesel/Hybrid/PHEV/Full EV is never economically efficient, going to save you any money, in the short term. Owning a car in Australia, was and still is a privilege IE You have the money, you can afford to buy any type of car in Australia, and be able to keep it on the road. Buying the most frugal new car, never works out to be that frugal............now an old ICE frugal banger...possibly!
In my country the Hybrid version is by far the cheapest.. The diesel and petrol version cost 1½ time more.. So it is a no brainer.
really good review. love this channel 😊 tax based on emissions is scary 😅
can you please do similar comparison between rav4, xtrail, sportage hybrids?
its such a stupid and crazy thing. i literally know some people that they bought hybrid only cause of that -_-
Just buy what you want and offset it by having a solar system with battery at home. 100% ev cars aren't green at all. John Cadogan just did a video re the same thing
@@Iwishiwasflying the huge advantage of EV’s is that they are ultra efficient compared to ICE on the order of % 80-90 compared to the pathetic %15 of ice powered. That translates to using a LOT more fuel. EV’s bring another advantage of having power coming from one centralized clean power generation as opposed to a billion gas powered vehicles all in varying states of tune 😮
After around 10 years or so, the hybrid will be needing a change in battery. Not cheap. Factor this in.
Loved the video and content focus! I would love a bit more energy from the hosts!!!
It would be interesting if you could add a projected resale value after 3 years to the equation. I am not convinced the argument to recouping investment is so relevant taking the resale into account. Sure you pay more for the diesel and hybrid at purchase compared to the petrol engine in all cars, however resale price of those vehicles would also be higher at sale time. What do you think?
I am not sure about the hybrid model. Higher km means a potential battery replacement of thousands of dollars. Suddenly you have never saved any money as you allready needs 6 years to make up for up front cost. Towing is your other limitation ....
Nope for hybrid. Either get a petrol or diesel or an electric (didn’t car though).
And ad the potential dct gearbox after warrantee for the diesel , about 8000 dollars to replace.
My 2014 Santa Fe manual diesel had the best fuel consumption ever. My 2020 Santa Fe automatic gets 7l urban and under 6l on a long highway trip. My manual used leas fuel however no longer sold. It would be interesting to see how the hybrid tows. EV would be worse than the diesel and V6. I like the amazing range on the highway and awesome drive.
Real world honest comparisons. Great job guys.
I used to own an ICE Subaru Crosstrek and had fill the tank twice in one month. Now I own an Escape hybrid and fill tank once a month. Also, the battery moves the vehicle about 60% of the time in my driving saving the engine. And hybrids are easier on the brakes. And on the freeway, I average 42mpg and average 46.7 mpg over 19,000 miles. And the hybrid was a $1,500 option in 2020.
Towing efficiency would be really interesting for these vehicles. Large SUVs frequently get used for that and there is bugger all data on hybrids
Hi guys from Scotland, great review and well presented. To carry on and complete the review to its conclusion, I wonder if a comparison as to how green each vehicle is and how much pollution each vehicle contributes to the atmosphere. The CO2 from each car should be calculated and rated. Diesel produces a different type of pollution to petrol so perhaps a table of grading for each substance and the total at the end. The Hybrid battery disposal etc needs to be calculated also. On top of that the actual cost to the environment of producing the fuel each vehicle needs would be an eye opener! On an electric car I dread to think the environmental damage done to produce the electricity to recharge batteries? A massive task to work all this out but guess what........ you are just the guys to pull it off. keep up the good work, Dave
Great video, really helpful. Would love to see more comparisons like this (X-Trail next?). Would also be great to see the difference in servicing costs over the break even period.
How can this video be great. They faked the exhaust on the petrol car. It doesn't operate that way. Showing the so called fumes were shown to fool you not to buy it as to "safe" the planet. Pure propaganda.
I bought a Prius (hybrid) new in 2008. A significant factor that you may not be aware of is that hybrids are generally easy on brakes. Instead of dumping all that energy in heat, like a conventional car, almost all of that braking energy goes into the batteries. I have yet to have to do any brake repairs at 220,000 Km. From what I’ve read, I probably won’t have to replace the brakes for the life of the car (400,000 Km?). That is a significant savings over a conventional car. I maintained my wife two minivans over 20 years and replaced the front pads ~every 33,000 Km and rotors at ~100,000 Km. We could be talking $3,000 worth of brake repairs over the vehicle life.
Great video however is being on a walkie talkie while driving allowed? Isn’t that same as being on a mobile?
No, radios can be lawfully used while driving in our jurisdiction. They aren’t treated as mobile phones.
@@chasingcars Yet another inane distinction in the eyes of our lawmakers. In which universe does having a hand off the steering wheel and talking into a radio differ from holding and talking into a mobile phone. Oh wait, maybe because the radio doesn't have a screen...? 🙄
legal, but equally dangerous
@@chasingcars regardless it can't be safe having steering in one hand and walkie talkie in another.
In Canada the emissions regulations make a diesel in a suv pretty much impossible
How fast did you drive on the highway? I tried Kia Sorento PHEV 1.6 2023 i Sweden. I tried driving it att 140 km/h and the fuel consumptions was close to 12.5 l/100km
they would have been doing 100/110kmh that kind of speed will get your car impounded for 30 days a 6 month loss of license and a $2400 fine we have the slowest and most over enforced speed limits in the world because it makes the government a shit load of money
I have a 2019 ford fusion hybrid. I bought it factory certified less than a year old. It was less expensive than the Ecoboost version. I get double the fuel mileage as the Ecoboost. The fact that it is far more economical is not even disputed.
This just shows that in the real world, the extra hybrid or diesel cost is ALWAYS hard to recuperate unless you do a lot of city stop start and like to visit the petrol station less. One thing to consider is whether the hybrid or diesel version is better to drive - in the case of the Santa Fe, the V6 is still best for most buyers.
There is one thing to consider, the diesel and hybrid models are both AWD which translates to additional 1L diffrence in fuel consumption.
I can make a case for the diesel for its torque. Not for the hybrid though. As hybrids tend to be more expensive to repair over time
The problem is, Batteries will not last that 6 years with all the stress of moving a car, getting hot and cold in a such manner.
Even in my garden power tools, they only last a year before failing, is a big demmand and technology is not there already.
Whilst I understand the calculation that it would take 6 years to recoup the additional cost of the hybrid, wouldn't the hybrid maintain a higher price differential if it was sold? Therefore purely calculating just km's required for payback is simplistic? The differential for Phev to petrol only can be 15k to 20k and would have a much longer payback too, but some will be able to gain Fbt tax savings on a novated lease for instance.
Exactly my point, which is why I’m leasing a Sorento PHEV
I bought a hybrid Hyundai Tucson in the US. Fual economy was a big factor driving over 25k miles or 40k km a year. The ride quality and performance were plusses. My fuel cost saving benefits have been reduced by the drop in gas prices. Not complaining about paying less than anticipated fuel. I think hardly anyone would have though fuel prices would be down 20% from 11months ago.
Good comparison to give people a better idea if they are actually saving.
If you are someone who regularly trade in your vehicles and not keep them for a long time then paying more for a hybrid or electric vehicle to save on fuel costs would not make sense.
Well done lads. Our 2012 Accent rated at 4.9 never got better than 7.0. Hyundai: cheap to buy but expensive to own. Glad they got more honest.
Fantastic real world comparison fellas. Great stats/tables. Really useful stuff. Well done. Some testing of EV vs ice and payback period would be really interesting if you can get some relatively comparable or at least similar sized / similar use car scenarios.
its helpful, but just one trip. it was done at the same time( similar conditions) but obviously with different drivers. real world is great, but if you do real world you need to do a lot to smooth out the differences.
the reason all the test are done in labs is to get repeatable results, they dont claim to be real world. they claim to be consisyent and comparable to other vehicles.
You just gave the government an idea😞 here comes the CO2 tax!!!!! Great vid gents, as always!
Great experiment!
That light brown interior sold me.
Great review guys. I enjoyed this comparison. It would be interesting for you to do similar testing with the new Kona when it arrives. You could compare the petrol, hybrid and EV.
Great idea!
Hybrid more make sense if it is PHEV. You live in urban area, use electric for daily drive in urban area. Back home charge it again
Only use combustion engine for occasionally longer range drive.
This is why I like my PHEV. The other day, just because of the way my day worked out and how much charging I could do between trips I took a picture because I hit 100km driving at 0.6L/100km (392 USMPG). I'm almost always below 2l/100km (117 USMPG) and charging it only costs about a buck since electricity is very cheap where I live. It's rated for 47km of EV only range, but in the city I usually hit 55km, and more like 40 if at highway speeds.
A turbo diesel plug-in hybrid would be best of both Worlds?
Your conclusion indicates that it’s better to buy a hybrid car because it feels more comfortable, smooth and has less emissions tax which government will add in the future, correct?
I'm not well versed on Australian government car emissions standards as I'm from Europe, but I was surprised that you alluded to the fact Australia doesn't have any? With the constant barrage regarding electric cars and emissions standards I'm genuinely surprised the V6 version of the Santa Fe exists; I spend a lot of time between Europe and the US for work and I assumed the US would be the worst country in terms of emission standardisation, I would have never thought it would be Australia. I'm a car guy but I can recognise the need for fuel economy/emission evolvement and I'm shocked the Australian government would allow a naturally aspirated (specifically) V6 etc to be sold in this day and age. You inadvertently informed other nations with your video, great content and videography, keep it up!
Another factor to consider are tax savings through novated leasing (depending on jurisdiction) for PHEV (we have the ‘sister’ Sorento), which makes break even time much sooner. For me, I’m saving $13k in income tax per year
Great comparison. Throughout the video I kept thinking about depreciation and that was addressed at the end. I sold my V6 Sorrento for that very reason. If/when this co2 tax cpmes in, the value will tank. I have gone for a hybrid vehicle.
Great video, only one ‘factor’ missing (IMHO) and that’s the additional full life-cycle mileage that Diesel engines have over petrol. I drive an old diesel with over 500k km on the clock and mechanically, still going strong when most petrol engines have already given up…
How can I say it. It really depends of the car. I still drive my gasoline 2002 Lexus today. It has an exceptionnal life cycle, in regard to a Volkswagen Diesel that would crap away at 200k.
... Newer diesel's tend to be rather sensitive, due to all the tech they need to comply with emission norms.
But in general, the secret is to find the most uncomplicated engine as possible. And it will do good life cycles.
@@boboutelama5748It is actually less about the car but more on the driver/owner. ;)
One other important issue is the battery replacement, the hybrid taking an average 6 years to break even gets pushed out further when you have to replace batteries, while it might be 10 years out, it is a significant issue, then also what is the period most people keep cars, if you keep a car for 5 years, you will never break even on a hybrid, I know i have done the math and 6 years is actually one of the better ranges of time, it is worse for some other cars. Lastly, your 6k difference might be higher. When the car is out the door after tax and fees and dealer premiums, it might be much more than a 6k difference, that might be worth considering. Some hybrids have a 5k premium due to the lack of availability, in this case that would push the break even to 11 years.
Do a retest on these vehicles after a 4-5000 mile break in period. My Santa Fe Hybrid limited went from just over 31 combined mpg to almost 38 combined mpg.
Can't imagine the press cars get a well thought out run in driving. Either hyper miling on the hwy or getting thrashed to demonstrate performance.
As batteries age, the fuel efficiency advantage of the hybrid decreases. In 6.5 years, the batteries will need replacing. So, the hybrid never pays for itself. You're giving the government/Hyundai an interest-free loan.
yeah 😂 that's why the battery has a 10 year warranty
@@mikej238 batteries are prorated. You'll pay for new ones in part. I'll stick to normally aspirated engines
@@papaGhurkawrong, Toyota batteries are not PRO RATED... yeah go ahead. There are Prius on the road original battery 300 000k on it. Ask yourself why every cab in North America is a hybrid? Every cab in NYC is a Rav 4 Hybrid. In Canada Toyota hybrids are only 1800 bucks more than the exact same gas model. Go ahead piss your $$$$ away. Gas ain't ever going to be any cheaper.
A very good point! And a better one will be to ask how much the recycling of the old battery will cost??
2004 Toyota Prius 19 years over 200,000 miles still the same battery and you say the battery doesn’t last you beater look again and it is still get 48mpg and 50mpg on non hills. So you are not doing a true comparison of apples to apples 4 wheel drive against a front wheel drive and a lot of different things that are not even equal.
Having owned petrol, diesel and hybrid cars of various models, I have come to the conclusion that diesels need big highway kms to keep dpf’s happy and to get great economy, where as my hybrid is outstanding in the city as its scavenges all that breaking energy in typical stop /start driving. But if you aren’t doing big kms, then the initial cost saving of a standard petrol may be the better option.
I have also seen fuel costs in comparison fluctuate between petrol and diesel so it’s hard to put a cost saving there.
Horses for courses.
I am surprised that Tom didn't tell persons to get a hatchback instead as he did in a previous video. Personally I would go for the v6 as if anything goes wrong with it it would be cheaper to fix than the diesel and the hybrid counterparts.
Most diesel engine these days are bombproof.
im for the santa fe highlander diesel my parents have had 3 of these over the last 6 years they got a new one last month i myself a toyota hybird person and normally hybrid is better around town then on the highway thanks for the real test its good to know
Really good comparison, as always the companies fuel consumption never match. I did something similar: For work I used to drive 350km to a city, I did that trip a lot of times with 2 different models of mitsubishi katana, the only difference one was rwd with 215/70/16 tires, the other 4x4 245/70/16, the last uses much more fuel, with the first i was able to do all the week with the 75 liter tank, the other I was not sure if was capable.
"makes a cool noise", is one of the most important aspects to consider when buying a new vehicle.
Sensational test and feedback , but you did not mention service costs and hybrid have a lot more things to service and go wrong, also the cost of battery replacements, Maybe the on the next test drive. Hopefully this is good feedback
I would take the Diesel over anything else. 👍
Great report. Thanks for the info. I wonder if a diesel excise is coming too? Also, there is often a price discrepancy of 40-60c from diesel and petrol. Is that covered in the report?
Diesel has been subsidizing the cost of making unleaded fuel for 30 plus years. Diesel has always been a cheaper fuel to produce. So if the price of diesel was at its true cost to produce, then it would be untouchable.
Great video. Bit surprised that hybrid isnt as good as you would expect.
This video is so accurate because all the HYUNDAI driver testers in this video do not obey the Australian law, “Keep left unless overtaking”. Lead by example and drive around with no seatbelts on next time.
We complied with that law which only exists for roads with speed limits higher than 80km/h…
interesting observation:)
At the 1:00 mark the vehicles are clearly all in the middle lane with the left lane clear, that mooney mooney bridge has a speed limit of 110kph. I know that stretch of road. It’s just an observation mate, I don’t want to offend. Sydney had clogged up freeways, proper lane discipline would help the flow of traffic & could cause less accidents & reduce commuters frustration. I love your information packed videos which are well written & presented. It’s just an observation. Keep up the good work and remember that the left lane works fine no need to avoid it.
Commenting to help the algorithm. Yes, your independent review is awesome.
Brilliant review, Chasing Cars are now for me one of a couple of independent reviewers , the others now are all about click bait and who is paying to advertise with them .
Great video, thanks. After purchasing a 2022 Navara diesel Pro4x ute, which claims 7.0L/100km on the highway, I would like to see a diesel ute dual cab consumption test against rivals to show how woefully under quoted these cars can be advertised. At 80-100km/h on flat roads (tested) on the Nullabor, the car consumption figure was high 9s/100km and the actual pump calculations was around 10L/100km. The dealer attempted to tell me the consumption gets "better" after 10,000km. But now with 30,000km down, it's nowhere near 7.0L or even 8L/100km. I'd love it if you can replicate this testing with the Navara and Ranger and Isuzu competition please?
This is why I’m subscribed. Very informative test.
Thank you.
They forgot the DEF cost for the diesel