As the saying goes, the candle that burns twice as bright , burns half as long . As you point out , his career can’t sustain his present volume , however , is it worth it .. who was the first man to break the 4 minute mile .. pretty much everyone knows , nobody remembers the second person . He may well break the 2 he mark and be done . His mark will be forever remembered and will no doubt inspire many more to go under . Some “ normal “ runners may try increasing volume , however , I would say most will very quickly realise that as a regular runner , that volume is impossible ( with normal jobs and family life )
@@QMTimeisnotreal understand your point also , however I would still wager MOST people would not be able to name the second person to run under the 4 min mile . Even people who do not follow athletics could name the first sub 4min miler . The athletes you named are greats but I highly doubt they were running anything like the volumes were speaking of . I haven’t no doubt that if he does break the sub 2hr barrier, it will spur more athletes to go under , however I also do believe that he will not go on to have the same longevity as Kipchoge , of course I am happy to be proved wrong , either way , only time will tell 👍
"the candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long" is wisdom .. I see many athletes get injuries because of pushing too much and quit running while some adopt 80 easy/20 hard and run forever! still, Kiptum is talented but not wise!
@stephensimmons8657 I don't know who broke the 4min mile and I'm a track athlete and follow channels like this one xd. I guess it doesn't apply for the 95% of the world that don't use miles (I know a mile is around 4 laps to a track tho, running it under 4min was really that big of a thing?)
@@morfos95 I get your point , miles are seldom used these days . As for being a big thing , it most certainly was , you have to remember , no human had ever ran under 4mins for a mile , some even thought it impossible. The 2hr mark mark for the Marathon is similar . The point I was trying to make , albeit not in the most eloquent way was , it will only ever be ( officially) broken once . After that , I do believe it will be broken multiple times , it’s that first one which is the hardest
When he says he doesn't feel pain; is it a language barrier issue? Maybe he means he doesn't feel an injury type pain (in other words, an abnormal pain).
It would do Kiptum Justice if they were to have a moment of silence at the Paris Olympic Marathon Clising ceremony. This is so tragic. Let's also remember another promising Kenyan Samuel Wanjiru died tragically as well at almost the same age.
Normal people need to accept there are people like Kiptum who are just blessed with a gift for running and adjust their own training considering that fact. EDIT: can’t believe the news. RIP Kiptum
I think that's why I love running so much. I could easily cry myself to sleep comparing my abilities to other runners, but instead I get to focus on my own achievements which allow me to be amazed and happy for those who are more talented than I am. People like Kiptum are an inspiration as to what is achievable, but we all have our limits, and we need to know what they are
@@james_addison disagree. His environment, his nutrition, his rest, his equipment AND his natural talent all come into play. At the highest level, you need all of the above to compete.
@@daniaaalbut there’s this unspoken narrative the Kenyan are genetically superior to marathon than westerners Hence we diminish their accomplishments… because they are Kenyans 😂😂😂
He underwent so much pain to train for marathon. May his record stand for years and decades so that we can remember this great runner who dedicated his life for this painful sport.
Very interesting topic. Raising a kid in competitive gymnastics, it dawned on me at some point that competitive sports at the upper levels tend to not be concerned enough with the long-run health of the athletes. The ultimate goal is elite performance; even at the cost of life-long health issues. I’m not even saying that these people are necessarily always wrong in doing this, it’s just the reality of the situation and I think this is something that needs to be made explicitly clear, especially when kids are involved.
I think one of the only high level athletes who had a training plan that considered long term health was galen rupp. He actually held back when he was younger, but I’ve seen the same thing with Brandon mcnulty.
"Ethereal" "for a shot at immortality" wow.... this video has a different message now just a week after posting. My hearts broken for his family. What a beautiful young soul, utterly inspiring
Death just robbed us some great times. This year it was to be Rotterdam and then Olympics. just like late Sammy Wanjiru the holder of Olympics marathon record,who died aged 24yrs, kiptum also is dead cause of death, road accident. May his soul RIP.
Tomorrow isn’t promised, right? We’re all responsible for our own training; if it feels good for you, and it works for you, go get it-if it doesn’t, don’t. Clock’s ticking. 🏆
No way. If anything he's fired most people up about the sport. He's a professional elite runner, that's his job. I would be disappointed in him if he was not going for as many KMs as his body can handle to be able to win races and break records . Him not having any pain is fine. I'm sure many of us marathoners have noticed the more training we've done the less pain we've had or atleast it come later in the race. I get your point but really he's a pro not a roll model to show us how to run a marathon with no pain, that's up to us. Enjoyed it
Yep great shout and thanks for such a well balanced opinion. That’s why I love this community. Great respect and a sharing of opinions. Although I long for the day I run a marathon with no pain 😂
@@ThisMessyHappy I went for sub 3 in valencia and got it back in 2022. I can honestly say I didn't have any pain until 41.5 km. I had just trained and completed Comrades ultra. I think that was a big part. FYI have not gone for another sub 3. I have a feeling next one might have pain earlier 🤣🤣
I've read that Dennis Kimetto the WR holder before Kipchoge just jumped into high volume training as an adult. Worked for him short term but his body broke down soon after. Good video and thanks
Pain indeed is there, but when a runner has prepared very well the pain is hardly felt. KK is a rare athlete carrying hardly any weight. He can combine high volume and quality mileage easier than many people. He was not going around chasing money from race to race; just 1 or 2 big ones a year. So he could afford to rest and recover in between his target races. He was an exceptional athlete with the fastest average of 3 marathons a feat that would take some time to beat. MHSRIP...Gone too soon😢
Maybe another POV: while 300 km/wk sounds other-worldly to most of us, that’s just over a marathon a day on average. If his race pace is approx 2h and if his slow pace is (just a guess) 3h over that distance is that an unreasonable “time on feet” for him??? I’m not sure that our typical reference points apply to such a super-athlete 🤔
When it comes to being role model, I think it’s important to account for the fact that Kipchoge is almost twice Kiptum’s age. My guess is that that’s a sort of wisdom that comes with age, aside from the few that seem to be born with it. It shouldn’t be held against him because his invulnerability is not really going to tip the scales all that much when there are a plethora of others in the sport who don’t share it. Perhaps the inspiration to draw from him is not that of vulnerability or openness, but rather sheer commitment and determination.
Not every sportsperson has to be a role model. Kiptum isn't going around saying that everyone should run every day as far they can, even going as far as to admit through his coach that it isn't sustainable. Surely this honesty is better than pretending it's all fine and everyone should copy him. As far as him denying he feels pain during a marathon - maybe that's just the way he has to think to break through the pain barrier. Everybody already knows endurance running is painful, he is just a man in his early 20s aiming to break the ultimate distance running milestone and we should not expect his media appearances to be as calm and assured as Kipchoge, who has 20 years of media appearances behind him.
Lets step back a step - anyone copying anyone elses training is daft. Secondly, any 'everyday' runner comparing themselves to elites and copying their training is bonkers! Thirdly, everyones motives are different. Fourthly, to be the best of the best requires a whole different level. Who knows how long he will truly be able to last?
Well the news overnight shows living for the moment and doing crazy things, while running the risk of burning out earlier, is often the best way to live your life
I really enjoyed this opinion video on a topic I wasn't super familiar with. I've seen Kevin achieve incredible finish times, but didn't know much about his training. Thanks for this video!
This reminds me of Abraham Kiptum. "Kiptum was withdrawn from the 2019 London Marathon in consequence of the suspension. On 11 November that year, a four-year suspension, and expunging of results, was confirmed. Kiptum's race times going back to 13 October 2018 were nullified."
I believe we need to train to what suits our body best. At my age (56) and a newer runner,my coach has me training 6 days a week. Look ( NO INJURIES). She pushes me hard but understands my first goal is staying healthy. Before working with her running was 2-3 days a week with injuries.
He at 24 would have run sub 2hrs for the marathon distance i dont think Kipchoge much older could better him a sad day for Athletics i know he was running 40ks a day a massive loss for mankind.
I don't think that Kiptum is bad for running. If all the publicity he gains from winning races in this way encourages others, especially youngsters, to start running then that's great. I don't run to emulate anyone, I do it for myself and the enjoyment it brings. It's not always enjoyable at the time but afterwards I feel good about myself and the world and for me that's enough. I personally feel that the volume Kiptum runs will eventually bring on injuries but if he's coached well and listens to his body he'll get through it. He seems a cert to break 2 hours for the marathon and will be remembered in the way my generation remembers Roger Bannister for breaking the 4 minute mile. Good luck to him!
Appreciate that some really enjoy competing against others, but for me the only person I am competing with is myself. I am 45 gotten fit over the past 2 years having taken 15 years off exercise, and I can now plod a half marathon, I love hearing inspirational stories of achievements which are completely unachievable to me, be they 45 second 400m or backyards ultra's, but that's the thing, whether the world record is 1.58 or 2.02 it doesn't impact me, it's a different world. If I can break 3h30 later this year I will be proud of my own progress .... I was really pleased to break 2h for the half last year. Personal targets, personal records is all I have ... But pushing myself forward to be a better physical and emotional version of me is what keeps me trying not trying to emulate something that is impossible.
There's levels and tiers to performance and expectations. Kiptum is not a weekend runner so we can't expect how he trains or commits to be relatable to us the hobby runner. To attain the impossible and once thought improbable, ie the sub 2-hr marathon, he has to train in a way that was not done before. I commend him because it leaves us in awe of what our bodies are capable of. The people who look at a ceiling and wish to push past it or who take on the unattainable are to be lauded. Julius Maddox who's training for the first 800-lb raw bench press comes to mind as well as Bannister and his sub 4-min mile. I can respect the audacity it took to take on those improbable goals and the consequences you accept that comes with it.
😮Major marathons are now won by professional athletes. So too in all sports: football, cricket, cycling, etc. I'm pleased to see some real $$ coming into the sport. Those of us that have been and hope to be runners for the long run train differently than the elites. Those that inspire us are certainly more local.
He's not the first athlete running those volumes, back in the day Gelindo Bordin used to run up to 330 km per week...with the longest run in 3 hours so for him between 50-55 km...obviously without carbon shoes
It’s an educated guess. And I’m talking over his lifetime. For example I’m pretty comfortable that, for the most part, I can carry my training home through to my 80’s and 90’s 👍🏻
@@ThisMessyHappywell Ben, you are far, far above my paygrade, but Kiptoum, a genius, a phenom, is even much further above yours. I would say it's pointless to speculate about him, because he simply exists on a different galaxy, incomprehensible to you ( and hence, of course, me). It's like a housefly trying to comprehend a peregrine falcon.
He's so young still that perhaps tons of easy volume is giving him massive adaptations that take most of years/decades to build up to. Perhaps once that levels off, he will be able to adapt his training again to a more traditional style and extend that career. Either way, should be an interesting watch!
Spot on, we, as Runners have to set our own expectations & celebrate our success for US not compared to those at an elite level who do this for a living. All the best to everyone in hitting their goals, my first ever marathon is coming up in 21 days & all I want to do is finish it! Malta come at me! 🇲🇹🎉
If he doesn't feel pain what was he doing rolling about on the floor after his marathons? Totally agree with you though, are you training for short or long term goals? You only have a short period when young to try doing things like break world records, but for 99% of people it's about long term health gain
For me it's totally fine when some people don't experience pain, I've even heard of people how don't really gather lactate in their muscles. If you want to learn from others you need to put it into context. Very good video topic :).
This dude has to be dirty there is no way to run that much with no rest. He is juicing without question it’s a matter of time before he gets caught and his record gets erased. Cheaters will eventually get caught and Kenya has a history of them.
I have this theory: What if we’re all wrong about Kiptum’s motivation all these while? See, we keep going along the lines of being sustainable in training so that he will not get injured and last longer, has it ever occured that Kiptum is in fact, not going for longevity in the sport but to reach a height no one has ever reached and then retire, even if it means wrecking his body to do that? Meaning he is able to endure all that pain just to get to that very peak and then just leave on a high. Throughout the years we have had countless one season wonders who break onto the scene, break an incredible WR only to disappear into oblivion the years following. When Dennis Kimetto broke the WR nobody imagined it would have been possible.
This reply kind of helps me not to overthink about what could have happened if he could have lived longer. Maybe he had achieved what God wanted him to achieve on earth. RIP kiptum
Uuh.. I don't like this silly comments in this video on Kelvin's training. At the end of the day, he's not trying to "send a message", he's trying to train for his objectives. If someone does want to run those kinds of times in a Marathon then Kelvin and Kipchoge's approaches might be valid templates to look at. Such a person is probably already running at least once every day (most top runners do in their training blocks at least) and probably starting from at least 100 mile weeks. So what the point of this question here? Should some random club amateur suddenly start running 300 miles a week? Obviously not, that would be ridiculous, and I don't think anyone going to be thinking, oh well clearly Kelvin is sending me a "message" that I should train exactly like this.
Hi Stephen, I think maybe you misunderstood my musings. I’m not saying if it’s bad one way or the other but what I am wondering is if the “volume” approach to training will drip feed downwards like many approaches of the current top runners do (Norwegians etc). And whilst yes, you might be experienced enough to navigate your way through the info, is everyone? I never said he was trying to send a message, but I know first hand as a teacher, it doesn’t matter if you’re trying to send a message or not. You are! That’s all.
@@ThisMessyHappy Hmm ok, so yes, it's probably true to say that running 280 miles a week is unlikely to make sense unless you are specifically training for a crazy objective at the top level. It probably is fair to say however that to get good at running, you do need frequency, as in you do need to be running at least once or twice a day to be competitive even at a local level. Some people will do rest days, and of course your likely going to do training blocks of maybe four weeks and cycle your millage down on the fourth week typically. I think it is true that if your running on tarmac road surfaces (which are different to african roads) , and if you don't have your biomechanics right you will get injured, so you can't just go straight to millage, but I would hope that someone training to that level would do there research online as far as recovery, and not increasing too quickly, and cross training and strength and conditioning which is necessary also.
RIP Kelvin. I'm absolutely gutted.
So am I
So incredibly shocking only 24 😢
rest in peace man holy shit
RIP Young man. We'll never know what he could have accomplished, and he's already accomplished more than anyone.
Man its so devastating that he has passed away. Rest in power
Somehow, having just heard of Kiptum's death, I immediately thought of this video. Such a brilliant life cut tragically short.
As the saying goes, the candle that burns twice as bright , burns half as long . As you point out , his career can’t sustain his present volume , however , is it worth it .. who was the first man to break the 4 minute mile .. pretty much everyone knows , nobody remembers the second person . He may well break the 2 he mark and be done . His mark will be forever remembered and will no doubt inspire many more to go under . Some “ normal “ runners may try increasing volume , however , I would say most will very quickly realise that as a regular runner , that volume is impossible ( with normal jobs and family life )
Yep, agreed. It’s a balance for sure 😊
@@QMTimeisnotreal understand your point also , however I would still wager MOST people would not be able to name the second person to run under the 4 min mile . Even people who do not follow athletics could name the first sub 4min miler . The athletes you named are greats but I highly doubt they were running anything like the volumes were speaking of . I haven’t no doubt that if he does break the sub 2hr barrier, it will spur more athletes to go under , however I also do believe that he will not go on to have the same longevity as Kipchoge , of course I am happy to be proved wrong , either way , only time will tell 👍
"the candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long" is wisdom .. I see many athletes get injuries because of pushing too much and quit running while some adopt 80 easy/20 hard and run forever! still, Kiptum is talented but not wise!
@stephensimmons8657 I don't know who broke the 4min mile and I'm a track athlete and follow channels like this one xd. I guess it doesn't apply for the 95% of the world that don't use miles (I know a mile is around 4 laps to a track tho, running it under 4min was really that big of a thing?)
@@morfos95 I get your point , miles are seldom used these days . As for being a big thing , it most certainly was , you have to remember , no human had ever ran under 4mins for a mile , some even thought it impossible. The 2hr mark mark for the Marathon is similar . The point I was trying to make , albeit not in the most eloquent way was , it will only ever be ( officially) broken once . After that , I do believe it will be broken multiple times , it’s that first one which is the hardest
I just came back to this video after hearing the news. Life is crazy
The world has been robbed of athletic greatness😡
RIP champ and the coach 🙏🏾💔
When he says he doesn't feel pain; is it a language barrier issue? Maybe he means he doesn't feel an injury type pain (in other words, an abnormal pain).
yeah that's what he means
I came to comment the exact thing. It was a miscommunication and he didn't actually mean he didn't feel any pain at all
Sadly pain was the last thing he felt
@@usbucksbroMD What a weird comment... I know he passed away, but why would you word it that way?
Thats what I think too. He doesn't perceive pain the same way us normies do
Rest in peace I was watching this video this morning and I didn’t expect to hear the news later today rest easy 🕊️
I watched this 2 days ago and actually got crazy respect for what his short term theoretical goal might be
It would do Kiptum Justice if they were to have a moment of silence at the Paris Olympic Marathon Clising ceremony. This is so tragic. Let's also remember another promising Kenyan Samuel Wanjiru died tragically as well at almost the same age.
Normal people need to accept there are people like Kiptum who are just blessed with a gift for running and adjust their own training considering that fact.
EDIT: can’t believe the news. RIP Kiptum
I think that's why I love running so much. I could easily cry myself to sleep comparing my abilities to other runners, but instead I get to focus on my own achievements which allow me to be amazed and happy for those who are more talented than I am. People like Kiptum are an inspiration as to what is achievable, but we all have our limits, and we need to know what they are
his environment and the stimulus it povides/provided him are the reason he is a great runner. Not natural talent.
@@james_addison disagree. His environment, his nutrition, his rest, his equipment AND his natural talent all come into play. At the highest level, you need all of the above to compete.
@@daniaaalbut there’s this unspoken narrative the Kenyan are genetically superior to marathon than westerners
Hence we diminish their accomplishments… because they are Kenyans
😂😂😂
@@daniaaal Agree 100%. There’s just no way to get to his level in distance running without having all of those.
😢just a week before he died
Loved this insight, and it now sucks that an automobile accident took him at 24. I was waiting for him to break the 2 hours soon.
He underwent so much pain to train for marathon. May his record stand for years and decades so that we can remember this great runner who dedicated his life for this painful sport.
Very interesting topic. Raising a kid in competitive gymnastics, it dawned on me at some point that competitive sports at the upper levels tend to not be concerned enough with the long-run health of the athletes. The ultimate goal is elite performance; even at the cost of life-long health issues. I’m not even saying that these people are necessarily always wrong in doing this, it’s just the reality of the situation and I think this is something that needs to be made explicitly clear, especially when kids are involved.
That’s true! It’s very important to step back and realise what is important to each person involved because they might not all be the same thing!!
I think one of the only high level athletes who had a training plan that considered long term health was galen rupp. He actually held back when he was younger, but I’ve seen the same thing with Brandon mcnulty.
Rest in peace, absolutely awful. Who knows what he could have went on to achieve
Should have appreciated this guy who put all this dedication in the marathon, Rest In Peace
Definitely. We’re devastated. He’s an inspiration in terms of teaching people to push to their limits. Gone far far too soon
RIP KELVIN AND COACH 😢🕊🇰🇪
Sir Kiptum, you will set the record in heaven😢... What a tragedy.😮
Wow this title aged like milk. RIP Kelvin.
I just watched this and then read the news. R.I.P
Looks like we’ll never know 😭.
"Ethereal" "for a shot at immortality" wow.... this video has a different message now just a week after posting. My hearts broken for his family. What a beautiful young soul, utterly inspiring
It was a damn crime that he was taken from us, can’t even make a comparison to any other sport about this loss.
I'm holding back tears
Only the good die young. RIP Kelvin.
Death just robbed us some great times. This year it was to be Rotterdam and then Olympics. just like late Sammy Wanjiru the holder of Olympics marathon record,who died aged 24yrs, kiptum also is dead cause of death, road accident. May his soul RIP.
I'm so gutted about this. What a tragedy - we've lost a real gem.
Tomorrow isn’t promised, right? We’re all responsible for our own training; if it feels good for you, and it works for you, go get it-if it doesn’t, don’t. Clock’s ticking. 🏆
man... seeing this after he died so young. It's just hard to process. RIP Kelvin Kiptum
So sad. RIP.
Can’t believe he has passed away! I just watch this 2 days ago. Heartbreaking 💔
9:25 - here we have a man who's clearly not in any pain what so ever
Love it pushed till he could barely move
🎉
Exactly pain is subjective, he is greater pain than most of us will know, but to him it’s just normal
And he has left has😔,Rip Kiptum
No way. If anything he's fired most people up about the sport. He's a professional elite runner, that's his job. I would be disappointed in him if he was not going for as many KMs as his body can handle to be able to win races and break records . Him not having any pain is fine. I'm sure many of us marathoners have noticed the more training we've done the less pain we've had or atleast it come later in the race. I get your point but really he's a pro not a roll model to show us how to run a marathon with no pain, that's up to us. Enjoyed it
Yep great shout and thanks for such a well balanced opinion. That’s why I love this community. Great respect and a sharing of opinions. Although I long for the day I run a marathon with no pain 😂
@@ThisMessyHappy I went for sub 3 in valencia and got it back in 2022. I can honestly say I didn't have any pain until 41.5 km. I had just trained and completed Comrades ultra. I think that was a big part. FYI have not gone for another sub 3. I have a feeling next one might have pain earlier 🤣🤣
Best Athlete of the Decade.. RIP🕊️🕊️
The sad news today 😢 RIP Kiptum, unfinished business 💔
Absolutely devastated 😞
RIP to this very young man. You changed the marathon in such a quick time, with so much more to be done. You will be greatly missed🕊
RIP Kelvin
We've lost a gem, may he rest in power 🙏🏿
unlucky timing to drop this video
Yeah, the original title of the video was "Is Kelvin Kiptum bad for running?" and then like 24 hours later he died.
Worst timing ever 😢
good idea rewording the title lol@@ThisMessyHappy
I have a feeling the 2hr Marathon Wall will break this Year 🙌
He will. And that's going to be the aim point for the future. Crazy!
No way
Sadly he has passed away@@bh4560
I felt gutted when i heard of his passing and still can't quite believe it. RIP Kelvin.
I've read that Dennis Kimetto the WR holder before Kipchoge just jumped into high volume training as an adult. Worked for him short term but his body broke down soon after. Good video and thanks
Rest in peace Kelvin, you were such an inspiration for many of us. Forever a hero now 😢. My next marathon will be dedicated especially for you 🫶
Pain indeed is there, but when a runner has prepared very well the pain is hardly felt. KK is a rare athlete carrying hardly any weight. He can combine high volume and quality mileage easier than many people. He was not going around chasing money from race to race; just 1 or 2 big ones a year. So he could afford to rest and recover in between his target races. He was an exceptional athlete with the fastest average of 3 marathons a feat that would take some time to beat. MHSRIP...Gone too soon😢
So tragic to hear of his passing. Devastating to think just how young he was.
RIP... a sad day for a great athlete
Maybe he knew he wouldn't live longer....he did all he could and became a legend! RIP Kiptum the great!
Maybe another POV: while 300 km/wk sounds other-worldly to most of us, that’s just over a marathon a day on average. If his race pace is approx 2h and if his slow pace is (just a guess) 3h over that distance is that an unreasonable “time on feet” for him??? I’m not sure that our typical reference points apply to such a super-athlete 🤔
Those who came here after hearing of his demise
Kiptum was a proper gangster runner, different and more. RIP
RIP Champ 🙏🏽
When it comes to being role model, I think it’s important to account for the fact that Kipchoge is almost twice Kiptum’s age. My guess is that that’s a sort of wisdom that comes with age, aside from the few that seem to be born with it. It shouldn’t be held against him because his invulnerability is not really going to tip the scales all that much when there are a plethora of others in the sport who don’t share it. Perhaps the inspiration to draw from him is not that of vulnerability or openness, but rather sheer commitment and determination.
Not every sportsperson has to be a role model. Kiptum isn't going around saying that everyone should run every day as far they can, even going as far as to admit through his coach that it isn't sustainable. Surely this honesty is better than pretending it's all fine and everyone should copy him. As far as him denying he feels pain during a marathon - maybe that's just the way he has to think to break through the pain barrier. Everybody already knows endurance running is painful, he is just a man in his early 20s aiming to break the ultimate distance running milestone and we should not expect his media appearances to be as calm and assured as Kipchoge, who has 20 years of media appearances behind him.
Lets step back a step - anyone copying anyone elses training is daft. Secondly, any 'everyday' runner comparing themselves to elites and copying their training is bonkers! Thirdly, everyones motives are different. Fourthly, to be the best of the best requires a whole different level. Who knows how long he will truly be able to last?
He just died...so sad
Well the news overnight shows living for the moment and doing crazy things, while running the risk of burning out earlier, is often the best way to live your life
well said mate
I really enjoyed this opinion video on a topic I wasn't super familiar with. I've seen Kevin achieve incredible finish times, but didn't know much about his training. Thanks for this video!
R.I.P
Rather than asking if kiptum has the best approach, we should ask if it’s the best approach for recreational runners to model themselves after pros.
This reminds me of Abraham Kiptum. "Kiptum was withdrawn from the 2019 London Marathon in consequence of the suspension. On 11 November that year, a four-year suspension, and expunging of results, was confirmed. Kiptum's race times going back to 13 October 2018 were nullified."
RIP, legend. So young.
Being realistic will hold you back. Sub2 marathon used to be called unrealistic before too.
Think you might be a bit off here...
Videos that didn't age well
I believe we need to train to what suits our body best. At my age (56) and a newer runner,my coach has me training 6 days a week. Look ( NO INJURIES). She pushes me hard but understands my first goal is staying healthy. Before working with her running was 2-3 days a week with injuries.
He's not doing 300km a week, thas a bs cover story for why hes really succeeding. Genuinely its ridiculous
Next you will be telling me all those Hollywood actors don't eat a lot of protein and broccoli to look like a super hero!
He at 24 would have run sub 2hrs for the marathon distance i dont think Kipchoge much older could better him a sad day for Athletics i know he was running 40ks a day a massive loss for mankind.
RIP Kelvin 🕊
Kiptonite is absolutely hainous
Marathon world record holder Kelvin Kiptum and coach killed in road accident in Kenya.
I don't think that Kiptum is bad for running. If all the publicity he gains from winning races in this way encourages others, especially youngsters, to start running then that's great. I don't run to emulate anyone, I do it for myself and the enjoyment it brings. It's not always enjoyable at the time but afterwards I feel good about myself and the world and for me that's enough. I personally feel that the volume Kiptum runs will eventually bring on injuries but if he's coached well and listens to his body he'll get through it. He seems a cert to break 2 hours for the marathon and will be remembered in the way my generation remembers Roger Bannister for breaking the 4 minute mile. Good luck to him!
Appreciate that some really enjoy competing against others, but for me the only person I am competing with is myself. I am 45 gotten fit over the past 2 years having taken 15 years off exercise, and I can now plod a half marathon, I love hearing inspirational stories of achievements which are completely unachievable to me, be they 45 second 400m or backyards ultra's, but that's the thing, whether the world record is 1.58 or 2.02 it doesn't impact me, it's a different world. If I can break 3h30 later this year I will be proud of my own progress .... I was really pleased to break 2h for the half last year. Personal targets, personal records is all I have ... But pushing myself forward to be a better physical and emotional version of me is what keeps me trying not trying to emulate something that is impossible.
There's levels and tiers to performance and expectations. Kiptum is not a weekend runner so we can't expect how he trains or commits to be relatable to us the hobby runner. To attain the impossible and once thought improbable, ie the sub 2-hr marathon, he has to train in a way that was not done before. I commend him because it leaves us in awe of what our bodies are capable of. The people who look at a ceiling and wish to push past it or who take on the unattainable are to be lauded. Julius Maddox who's training for the first 800-lb raw bench press comes to mind as well as Bannister and his sub 4-min mile. I can respect the audacity it took to take on those improbable goals and the consequences you accept that comes with it.
This aged terribly.
Brother, how do you feel about Kiptum’s death?
Devastated 😢
@@ThisMessyHappy real sad, may he rest in peace 🙏
😢rip Kiptum
😮Major marathons are now won by professional athletes. So too in all sports: football, cricket, cycling, etc.
I'm pleased to see some real $$ coming into the sport. Those of us that have been and hope to be runners for the long run train differently than the elites. Those that inspire us are certainly more local.
He's not the first athlete running those volumes, back in the day Gelindo Bordin used to run up to 330 km per week...with the longest run in 3 hours so for him between 50-55 km...obviously without carbon shoes
Why is that volume unsustainable? What are the limiting factors, that make this short lived?
It’s an educated guess. And I’m talking over his lifetime. For example I’m pretty comfortable that, for the most part, I can carry my training home through to my 80’s and 90’s 👍🏻
@@ThisMessyHappywell Ben, you are far, far above my paygrade, but Kiptoum, a genius, a phenom, is even much further above yours. I would say it's pointless to speculate about him, because he simply exists on a different galaxy, incomprehensible to you ( and hence, of course, me). It's like a housefly trying to comprehend a peregrine falcon.
@@arkamukhopadhyay9111 😂
RIP KELVIN KIPTUM
How can he possibly be bad for running! He will inspire a generation and I feel the 2 hour barrier will go down this year in an official race!
Unfortunately he's gone for good, we will never see him achieve it. Death is wicked.
He's so young still that perhaps tons of easy volume is giving him massive adaptations that take most of years/decades to build up to. Perhaps once that levels off, he will be able to adapt his training again to a more traditional style and extend that career. Either way, should be an interesting watch!
Spot on, we, as Runners have to set our own expectations & celebrate our success for US not compared to those at an elite level who do this for a living. All the best to everyone in hitting their goals, my first ever marathon is coming up in 21 days & all I want to do is finish it! Malta come at me! 🇲🇹🎉
You will finish it and be proud!
What a brilliant video Ben, the volumes are crazy but your right regardless of the 2hr barrier let's see how long he is around for?
How could this be? 😢
long live kiptum
If he doesn't feel pain what was he doing rolling about on the floor after his marathons?
Totally agree with you though, are you training for short or long term goals? You only have a short period when young to try doing things like break world records, but for 99% of people it's about long term health gain
hes short of breath im always short on breath while running
Ohh the timing of this video, it sounds like a tribute video yet he still had a week to live...
This hits a bit different now
For me it's totally fine when some people don't experience pain, I've even heard of people how don't really gather lactate in their muscles. If you want to learn from others you need to put it into context. Very good video topic :).
Marathon running pace defiantly not going to be about lactate acid unlike the 400 meter which is when there event is all about.
This dude has to be dirty there is no way to run that much with no rest. He is juicing without question it’s a matter of time before he gets caught and his record gets erased.
Cheaters will eventually get caught and Kenya has a history of them.
I have this theory: What if we’re all wrong about Kiptum’s motivation all these while? See, we keep going along the lines of being sustainable in training so that he will not get injured and last longer, has it ever occured that Kiptum is in fact, not going for longevity in the sport but to reach a height no one has ever reached and then retire, even if it means wrecking his body to do that? Meaning he is able to endure all that pain just to get to that very peak and then just leave on a high. Throughout the years we have had countless one season wonders who break onto the scene, break an incredible WR only to disappear into oblivion the years following. When Dennis Kimetto broke the WR nobody imagined it would have been possible.
This reply kind of helps me not to overthink about what could have happened if he could have lived longer. Maybe he had achieved what God wanted him to achieve on earth. RIP kiptum
I hope he's clean.
There it is! 100% agree and when the talk about freakish recovery comes into play that's a question that has to be asked.
He sure as heck isn’t doing his miles on concrete, seriously concrete is not made for running.
Kiptumite was tough, great video though!
These are the tough questions that should be asked. Great video!
RIP Kelvin Kiptum. Thoughts with his family during this impossible time of grief. ❤
Uuh.. I don't like this silly comments in this video on Kelvin's training. At the end of the day, he's not trying to "send a message", he's trying to train for his objectives. If someone does want to run those kinds of times in a Marathon then Kelvin and Kipchoge's approaches might be valid templates to look at. Such a person is probably already running at least once every day (most top runners do in their training blocks at least) and probably starting from at least 100 mile weeks. So what the point of this question here? Should some random club amateur suddenly start running 300 miles a week? Obviously not, that would be ridiculous, and I don't think anyone going to be thinking, oh well clearly Kelvin is sending me a "message" that I should train exactly like this.
Hi Stephen, I think maybe you misunderstood my musings. I’m not saying if it’s bad one way or the other but what I am wondering is if the “volume” approach to training will drip feed downwards like many approaches of the current top runners do (Norwegians etc). And whilst yes, you might be experienced enough to navigate your way through the info, is everyone? I never said he was trying to send a message, but I know first hand as a teacher, it doesn’t matter if you’re trying to send a message or not. You are! That’s all.
@@ThisMessyHappy Hmm ok, so yes, it's probably true to say that running 280 miles a week is unlikely to make sense unless you are specifically training for a crazy objective at the top level. It probably is fair to say however that to get good at running, you do need frequency, as in you do need to be running at least once or twice a day to be competitive even at a local level. Some people will do rest days, and of course your likely going to do training blocks of maybe four weeks and cycle your millage down on the fourth week typically. I think it is true that if your running on tarmac road surfaces (which are different to african roads) , and if you don't have your biomechanics right you will get injured, so you can't just go straight to millage, but I would hope that someone training to that level would do there research online as far as recovery, and not increasing too quickly, and cross training and strength and conditioning which is necessary also.
He passed away :(