People love to rag on KTM at every opportunity for some reason. If I'm being generous, maybe it's because they think KTM is/was special and is losing that as it becomes this massive corporate blob.
I'v got a riding circle of around 10 fokes, and i swear the 4 KTM's are ALWAYS in disrepair. Meanwhile my mate with a VFR basically has decided that he wont EVER maintain it, and it just does not give a flat fk about it, fires up perfectly everytime.
Excellent review with frank and proper feedback. I remember when Hyundai and Skoda were cheap budget cars. not anymore. I welcome the competition into this, as you say, expensive market.
I have a 525 dsx and i've done 5k kilometers in about 3 months, i can say the bike never had any issue not even the smallest... it's a great bike and i really love it.
Fit & Finish is Superb. Standard spec is unbelievable and includes 3 part metal luggage & frames - which Chris asked to have removed. If you order an F900GS to the same spec it's almost 20k! Because Everything is an optional extra on the Bee-em - heated seat, heated grips, quick shifter, sat nav, dash cam, hand guards, bash plate, engine guards, centre stand, adjustable screen and luggage. All standard on the Voge...
Great to see more and more exceptionally keenly priced motorcycles on the market in recent times. *That Guy on an Africa Twin* (CRF1000L) proves that if you really take the trouble to develop your riding skills over a long period, you can wrestle all sorts of machinery through some ridiculously extreme terrain. The secondhand market is your friend.
Fair play for having no damage after that sesh hahah! Like you say, see how it goes long term but you gave it a good stress test where it’s not designed to go and it handled itself well!
Everything still fully intact Jon, just a small dent in one of the cats in the down pipe. Can't complain about that after 6 hours grief on Enduro tracks! It's a bit dirty though...
There has to be affordable bikes for the fresh blood coming through. There's certainly several Chinese manufacturers that have good quality control and offer great value - it might save motorcycles (along with Enfield and bsa).
Interesting point, this is only the third '74 plate I've seen so far. A Bentley in Ipswich, a Ducati on the Norfolk coast yesterday, this Voge on a youtube video. 3 weeks, couple of thousand miles, only three plates. '24 plate was the same earlier this year. Things have become too expensive, people are not buying the shiny new things as much as they were and when they are they are picking up cheap. £9k for the Voge or £12.5k for the (poverty spec) F900 (£17k for a like for like spec)? For middle weight, middle aged, bald me, that extra £8k in my pocket is doing me a lot more favours than a roundel on the side.
I think the quality and durability of the bike should be good, as the company trying to compete with other major brands and get up high in the market, they would fail if the product is no good. I'm sure VOGE won't sell their bikes this cheap for very long time, it's only for now, just to get consumers attention.
@@TheOriginalCoda I wasn't a fan of adventure bikes until I rode some and now I know why they're so popular. 1 word...COMFORT. They cope with crap roads, any roads, sometimes no roads ! They're just a superb all rounder you can ride All day at a more than reasonable pace and for most people, most of the time - that works. They're fast enough to be entertaining but still easy to ride and without being boring or bland.
@@rodgeskell4218 I can understand that, especially the crap roads bit. I relegate my sports bike to the track, and for the road I bought a scrambler, pot-holes be damned.
it's but at your own risk for longevity? I suppose it's good value for the kit, let's hope they buyer get to enjoy the bikes long enough. I'll stick to second hand bikes (with known qualities and issues) for now Cheers Chris
The big problem for me is that "you have to take the punt" line. Thats great if you stand to lose a few quid or something but if something important goes wrong on a bike the results tend to range from ouch to being boxed up. Not saying it will but once you're into things that can get you into trouble speeds in a few seconds its just not worth the risk to me. I'll let some other muppet with less self worth see how it goes to save a few quid - that they probably won't actually save thanks to resale/etc.
Could you make a video about Kove 800X Pro? I am going to buy it next year and want to hear your opinion on it. Thank you a lot love your videos Chris.
Hi both. For me it's the entire purchase and dealer involvement that creates trust. I've recently tried to buy a bmw twice at my local dealer for my partner and totally blanked and ignored, i even spoke to the manager and never heard back ! Previously we bought a Zontes 125 and the entire experience was loads better. I ride Vstrom 1050, it's my 4th and due for change next year. I have no issue looking at these 900 voge. Watching with interest.
Similar list price to a lightly used new model transalp. That'd be an interesting comparison. 150cc difference but similar HP. Transalp is lighter too.
The catch is the inferior engine control software, driving modes and lack of IMU compared to the BMW. Suspension better compared to F850GS, worse compared to F900Gs.
Correction cruise control without radar Thanks for this test, I hope it will change some prices in the market, is a chinese bike a real price in the competive market hé half commies is not fare.
@@Terraceview Why? It's Only £9 grand Brand new & fully loaded inc 3 part metal luggage - the equivalent F900GS with the same optional extras weighs in at just under £20 grand. I think I'm pretty confident which one will suffer more depreciation...
@@inspectorclouseau3880 Your suspicions are indeed correct. Voge are a subsidiary of Loncin, one of Chinas most respected and established motorcycle manufacturers who produce 2.5 million motorcycles per year and 3 million engines...for BMW, Honda and Mv. Loncin have exclusively produced all BMW's F series of parallel twin engines and their working partnership is almost 20 years old.
Well seeing as it's uncannily similar to the F900GS I think it might've been intentional perhaps? Park them next to one another and you'll see how similar they are...
Best thing about Chris's reviews? You just know you can trust every word he says. Cheers mate 👍
Loncin makes BMW bikes no one bats an eye, CFmoto makes KTM bikes everyone loses their minds lol
People love to rag on KTM at every opportunity for some reason. If I'm being generous, maybe it's because they think KTM is/was special and is losing that as it becomes this massive corporate blob.
@@abstractspaces8186 Its the fact they are producing bikes with ATROCIOUS reliability, in this day and age thats just not good enough.
I'v got a riding circle of around 10 fokes, and i swear the 4 KTM's are ALWAYS in disrepair.
Meanwhile my mate with a VFR basically has decided that he wont EVER maintain it, and it just does not give a flat fk about it, fires up perfectly everytime.
Loncin only builds the engine in conformity of the BMW specs, the rest of the bike is assembled in Berlin.
Because ktm is about as reliable as a meth head prostitute.
Excellent review with frank and proper feedback. I remember when Hyundai and Skoda were cheap budget cars. not anymore. I welcome the competition into this, as you say, expensive market.
I have a 525 dsx and i've done 5k kilometers in about 3 months, i can say the bike never had any issue not even the smallest... it's a great bike and i really love it.
5k km is nothing, no bike should have any issues in that time. glad you like your bike. my yam has had no issues in 60k km.
i have the 650 dsx with the 30 years old gs onecilinder engine. 15k kms and i just love it! 0 problems so far
Thanks for the review - gives a different perspective to the regular on road/walkaround reviews. Very useful for prospective buyers.
Cheers, we try to push them a bit.
Bike world are the go too for bike reviews
Thanks Chris and Bike World for giving us for free all we need to know about bikes with a fun factor few can reach.
Sir, my compliments for this great and honest review.
As an average (at best) off road rider it was an absolute pleasure watching you whip that bike around.
KYB suspension and Brembo (rather than JJuan or ByBre) suggest they're serious about projecting a quality image.
Fit & Finish is Superb. Standard spec is unbelievable and includes 3 part metal luggage & frames - which Chris asked to have removed. If you order an F900GS to the same spec it's almost 20k! Because Everything is an optional extra on the Bee-em - heated seat, heated grips, quick shifter, sat nav, dash cam, hand guards, bash plate, engine guards, centre stand, adjustable screen and luggage. All standard on the Voge...
All these new bikes on the horizon, cf moto, royal Enfield, voge, kove, Benelli, moto morini and no doubt more. Interesting times.
a few off those are brands that go way back in time, royal enfield benelli and moto morini are around for decades
@@EndlessRoadsNL Yes, for sure, I think they're all reincarnations of their former selves.
Great to see more and more exceptionally keenly priced motorcycles on the market in recent times. *That Guy on an Africa Twin* (CRF1000L) proves that if you really take the trouble to develop your riding skills over a long period, you can wrestle all sorts of machinery through some ridiculously extreme terrain. The secondhand market is your friend.
Fair play for having no damage after that sesh hahah! Like you say, see how it goes long term but you gave it a good stress test where it’s not designed to go and it handled itself well!
Everything still fully intact Jon, just a small dent in one of the cats in the down pipe. Can't complain about that after 6 hours grief on Enduro tracks! It's a bit dirty though...
There has to be affordable bikes for the fresh blood coming through. There's certainly several Chinese manufacturers that have good quality control and offer great value - it might save motorcycles (along with Enfield and bsa).
Interesting point, this is only the third '74 plate I've seen so far. A Bentley in Ipswich, a Ducati on the Norfolk coast yesterday, this Voge on a youtube video. 3 weeks, couple of thousand miles, only three plates. '24 plate was the same earlier this year. Things have become too expensive, people are not buying the shiny new things as much as they were and when they are they are picking up cheap. £9k for the Voge or £12.5k for the (poverty spec) F900 (£17k for a like for like spec)? For middle weight, middle aged, bald me, that extra £8k in my pocket is doing me a lot more favours than a roundel on the side.
good honest video, nice price bet it does well. deserves a push against its competitors for the price value for sure
Amazing skills!
Interesting test. Hope Voge comes to Australia. CF Moto is here and making inroads on the other brands.
Voge is a subsidiary of Loncin so it is their engine.
Is there a list of places like this? Enduro World looks good but it's 4 hours from me, are there other spots in the UK like this?
I think the quality and durability of the bike should be good, as the company trying to compete with other major brands and get up high in the market, they would fail if the product is no good. I'm sure VOGE won't sell their bikes this cheap for very long time, it's only for now, just to get consumers attention.
I can't stand adventure bikes, but I'll watch all of Chris' videos either way.
@@TheOriginalCoda I wasn't a fan of adventure bikes until I rode some and now I know why they're so popular. 1 word...COMFORT. They cope with crap roads, any roads, sometimes no roads ! They're just a superb all rounder you can ride All day at a more than reasonable pace and for most people, most of the time - that works. They're fast enough to be entertaining but still easy to ride and without being boring or bland.
@@rodgeskell4218 I can understand that, especially the crap roads bit. I relegate my sports bike to the track, and for the road I bought a scrambler, pot-holes be damned.
Chinese are coming, looks like quite complete bike just how after service will be 🤔
Chris another great video 🤟🤟💪😍
Service intervals seem decent with 6000 mile oil changes which is what I do with my Yammy.
rear turn signals checker here 😁🤣
it's but at your own risk for longevity?
I suppose it's good value for the kit, let's hope they buyer get to enjoy the bikes long enough.
I'll stick to second hand bikes (with known qualities and issues) for now
Cheers Chris
The big problem for me is that "you have to take the punt" line.
Thats great if you stand to lose a few quid or something but if something important goes wrong on a bike the results tend to range from ouch to being boxed up.
Not saying it will but once you're into things that can get you into trouble speeds in a few seconds its just not worth the risk to me.
I'll let some other muppet with less self worth see how it goes to save a few quid - that they probably won't actually save thanks to resale/etc.
Could you make a video about Kove 800X Pro? I am going to buy it next year and want to hear your opinion on it. Thank you a lot love your videos Chris.
And the kove 450 I can lend him one
kove 800x is just another ktm 790 engine, so it is just lighter than the cfmoto version and more agile
Nice one mate.
How does it compare to tiger 850 sport ?
Will the Euro 5+ Version wieder or is it a benefit?
What a bargain! 😂 Let's see how much they last looool
The gearbox and qs seems to be Bad here. Thats one of the Most important. Drive the 450mt, the gearbox is smooth as fuck
That's $18000 Australian you can buy a GS 900 plus on roads for that here
Voge Uk website is a little light on detail, no model line up or anything
@@quigonjay9 try motogb
all tech worked after that beatting?
Hi both.
For me it's the entire purchase and dealer involvement that creates trust.
I've recently tried to buy a bmw twice at my local dealer for my partner and totally blanked and ignored, i even spoke to the manager and never heard back ! Previously we bought a Zontes 125 and the entire experience was loads better. I ride Vstrom 1050, it's my 4th and due for change next year. I have no issue looking at these 900 voge.
Watching with interest.
Yessss Chris abuse bike series🎉🎉🎉
The problem with Chris is that he makes all bikes look way too good with his skill.
Are we ever going to get a similar video for the CF 450MT?
@@musguelha14 coming soon!
@@BikeWorldTVshow awesome!
What happened to the most important thing about a bike......does it wheelie 😉
Looks like what the old Transalp was
Similar list price to a lightly used new model transalp. That'd be an interesting comparison. 150cc difference but similar HP. Transalp is lighter too.
The catch is the inferior engine control software, driving modes and lack of IMU compared to the BMW. Suspension better compared to F850GS, worse compared to F900Gs.
It’s a Chinese 🇨🇳 BMW look a like 🤷🏻 only thing I would buy Chinese is a takeaway
So far on their dealer network map, it's just Belgium and the Netherlands.
@@exothermal.sprocket They have dealers here in the UK.
there are 20 in the uk? I have 3 in 40 miles, more than for my BMW!
@@dreamcrusher112 Guess their website isn't exactly being maintained well.
Unfortunately depreciation will be massive over a BMW.
not even the 1% of the owners of this bike will ever do this.
Correction cruise control without radar
Thanks for this test, I hope it will change some prices in the market, is a chinese bike a real price in the competive market hé half commies is not fare.
Did you sign a contract with this company to review this bike?
Why would we sign a contract?
Funny, you rode that bike harder than most guys I see on off road KTM bikes weigh 220 lbs. Ha
£9000 budget?
A ZAR R200 000 Chinese bike is not considered a "budget" bike
Resale value will shock you though.
@@Terraceview Why? It's Only £9 grand Brand new & fully loaded inc 3 part metal luggage - the equivalent F900GS with the same optional extras weighs in at just under £20 grand. I think I'm pretty confident which one will suffer more depreciation...
@@rodgeskell4218 OK that's a huge difference, but do we know anything about reliability?
I suspect it's from China
@@inspectorclouseau3880 Your suspicions are indeed correct. Voge are a subsidiary of Loncin, one of Chinas most respected and established motorcycle manufacturers who produce 2.5 million motorcycles per year and 3 million engines...for BMW, Honda and Mv. Loncin have exclusively produced all BMW's F series of parallel twin engines and their working partnership is almost 20 years old.
대한민국에선 팔 수 없는 제조사 명이다...
They could have hired a designer to make it look like more than a knock off GS.
Well seeing as it's uncannily similar to the F900GS I think it might've been intentional perhaps? Park them next to one another and you'll see how similar they are...
All 'foreign' bikes (except Ducati's) should be exiled to Rowanda. STOP THE BIKES from stealing our jobs, etc etc!