The Chess Cheating Scandal, Explained | WSJ

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  • A report from Chess.com alleging that grandmaster Hans Moke Niemann likely cheated in over 100 online games upended the chess world in October. WSJ explains how a player might bypass security measures to win a game.
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  • @zihuatenejo
    @zihuatenejo ปีที่แล้ว +3409

    Carlsen has such a deep understanding of the game, he can intuitively feel when he is against a bot.

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 ปีที่แล้ว +314

      Maybe he just felt the beads while seating across from Neimann.

    • @jari2018
      @jari2018 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      gamers do this also -get shot by a bot is diffent than a human player - maybe the ability is the same - botlike (computer)moves

    • @penguinista
      @penguinista ปีที่แล้ว +169

      Carlson said that he is very familiar with playing over the board against top players and that it was very odd that Niemann was not tense at all during stressful parts of the game.

    • @listrahtes
      @listrahtes ปีที่แล้ว +144

      I dont know if he explained that but it is at least talked about that he deliberate played as he did vs Niemann to get to a conclusion himself that Niemann is cheating. Thats why he used such an unconventional opening. Niemann proved the point then for Carlsen. Listen to Niemann in the interview. He was at a complete loss to explain his movements because of that. He lied about a game of Carlsen he had studied that never happened. Carlsen played anti cheat chess inside a chess game. Truly genius.

    • @lordjim3109
      @lordjim3109 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      0:51 this could be a generic stock image: "A cheater in action".

  • @default2591
    @default2591 ปีที่แล้ว +705

    I'm a Hikaru fan but Magnus isn't some crybaby, he has lost a ton of games and pretty much never complained so it was pretty believable when he somehow accused Hans of cheating.

    • @rahulvig5298
      @rahulvig5298 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      True. I mean if the best chess player in history finds something to be fishy then there definitely is something fishy.
      Also, if Hans is actually that smart, why isn't he able to explain his lines in the analysis of the game later on?

    • @busdriverguy
      @busdriverguy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I dunno, all chess players have a crybaby quality to them

    • @ilyassebenana3824
      @ilyassebenana3824 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​@@busdriverguy hans Himself is probably the biggest proof of that

    • @DanielBoonelight
      @DanielBoonelight 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      lol @ your qualifying statement. weird false dichotomy.

    • @eleazaraguilar
      @eleazaraguilar 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@busdriverguyyeah just like how hans smash his keyboard every time he loses or drae

  • @justingood1443
    @justingood1443 ปีที่แล้ว +947

    “Must be embarrassing to lose to me”
    He knows himself that he has no skill or else no one would say that. I don’t watch chess ever but you can tell it’s a class act game and respect is a major part of the game. He clearly had no respect for the game

    • @superpantman
      @superpantman ปีที่แล้ว +104

      Dunking on a victory is classic cheater behaviour. Anyone that appreciates the effort and skill that goes into beating the number 1 wouldn’t talk like that.

    • @Zamibia
      @Zamibia ปีที่แล้ว +57

      He's a proven cheater so yeah, clearly he has no respect for the game.

    • @RoIIingStoned
      @RoIIingStoned ปีที่แล้ว +12

      He clearly has no integrity. He cheated.

    • @sudhirchandra9790
      @sudhirchandra9790 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      He speaks like Trump
      I have never ever cheated

    • @Nisowyd
      @Nisowyd ปีที่แล้ว

      Although it’s true he has no respect for the game, he is actually a pretty talented chess player.

  • @TheGeeoff
    @TheGeeoff ปีที่แล้ว +955

    The interview after the game is actually quite incriminating. A super GM analyzed his interview real-time and made a strong case that Hans does not understand the game that he played and won. Even the interviewer understood the game better than Hans.

    • @doji-san
      @doji-san ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Still no proof of actual cheating OTB...

    • @Fivetimesthree
      @Fivetimesthree ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Can you link the analysis?

    • @TheGeeoff
      @TheGeeoff ปีที่แล้ว +72

      @@Fivetimesthree Hikaru Nakumura is commenting in the box and he is one of the top five (maybe top three) players in the world. So he knows what he is talking about.

    • @pianoverse1366
      @pianoverse1366 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@doji-san its hard to prove after the game has finished,but no one can proof he is not cheating either,one day this nieman will hit his limit

    • @listrahtes
      @listrahtes ปีที่แล้ว +58

      @@doji-san So Hans, as we now know has cheated more than 100x in online games (read the analyis that IS 100%) . His coach is a lifelong cheater who got caught right after his last ban, he cant explain his win, his whole persona is that of a dishonest persona to the max, he has more engine correlation than any other player, but you want to give him the benefit of the doubt 🙂 Funny. They next to never catch someone red handed in OTB. Its extremely difficult. The ones they catch are mostly afterwards after weeks and months of video analysis.

  • @superpantman
    @superpantman ปีที่แล้ว +345

    - unable to explain his thought process or decisions
    - A victory that would make him the biggest chess prodigy to date with no previous indication of that trajectory.
    - trolling and disrespectful comments afterwards
    - A lack of attention and stress at key moments in the game
    - coached by a known cheater
    - claimed ‘by a miracle’ he studied the exact game the day before
    - previous proven instances of cheating, which he previously denied happened.
    Sure, there is no solid evidence that he cheated against Magnus but sure seems fishy. I totally understand the refusal to play him again.

    • @CadeLand011
      @CadeLand011 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Or it could just be the simple fact that Magnus was playing poorly that tournament and Hans was adequately prepared. So many perverse conspiracy theories and paranoid imaginings.

    • @zachhaywood1564
      @zachhaywood1564 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Who was his coach? I'm new to this whole scandal.

    • @edvinkarlsson9368
      @edvinkarlsson9368 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@CadeLand011 nah no way, dig deeper on this issue an youll see

    • @honglee6880
      @honglee6880 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cry more hahaha

    • @edvinkarlsson9368
      @edvinkarlsson9368 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@honglee6880 huh?

  • @alexanderjules1869
    @alexanderjules1869 ปีที่แล้ว +584

    Never thought I would see the day where I'm excited to hear about the latest news in the Chess world but here we are

    • @eustab.anas-mann9510
      @eustab.anas-mann9510 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Cheating has become so easy in chess that with a little tech and an accomplice it will get you very far in the rankings.

    • @GibsonArtola
      @GibsonArtola ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is the best comment ever made on TH-cam!

    • @seeharvester
      @seeharvester ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you think this is exciting, you should try the device he used to cheat.

    • @bluesherbet2741
      @bluesherbet2741 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know right same lol.

  • @theoreticalexercise
    @theoreticalexercise ปีที่แล้ว +1773

    I can't believe WSJ is covering this. Loving watching chess blow like this lol

    • @timefororbit
      @timefororbit ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Laughed out loud at "small liberator" and the silhouetted guy jumps

    • @afif4738
      @afif4738 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      wsj is nothing

    • @Djamonja
      @Djamonja ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@afif4738 I'm pretty sure they are something.

    • @eustab.anas-mann9510
      @eustab.anas-mann9510 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@afif4738 and who are you, exactly?

    • @jgalvan09
      @jgalvan09 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@afif4738 lol suuure a gif sure

  • @skjoldgames
    @skjoldgames ปีที่แล้ว +540

    This has been a much bigger problem even (and especially) in the much smaller leagues for a while. The even bigger problem is that somebody can have a secondary device for a chess engine and share screen won't even be able to detect it. They can even put it on another network or cellular data to further distance monitoring. I would say that as a genuine chess player, nothing is more enraging than knowing you've been cheated against. It is one of the main reasons I've decided to move more into speed chess, where cheaters don't have time to use a chess engine.

    • @mysticjedi6730
      @mysticjedi6730 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Why does the NFL allow coaches on the sidelines during the game? People should be able to determine next move however they wish.
      What's going to happen when glasses with heads up display, and other technology integrating humans with electronics is the norm?
      If everyone can make a move in consultation with a chess coach, computer, whatever.. that is the only way to level the playing field. The advice may lead to a win or loss... the good players will be the ones who take in all advice and decide for themselves.
      I don't consider it cheating at all.. no more than the NFL or any sports teams having AI determine statistical probability of plays... next we should ban coaches at football games and computers giving advice to players during games?

    • @JayceSyn
      @JayceSyn ปีที่แล้ว +62

      @@mysticjedi6730 You cannot be serious. The game of chess would be destroyed if the use of engines and other tools were allowed; it would literally defeat the purpose of the game which is using your head to find the best moves to beat your opponent

    • @mysticjedi6730
      @mysticjedi6730 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JayceSyn when I play computers I get better not by playing on easy mode, but by losing..

    • @TrevJ91
      @TrevJ91 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@mysticjedi6730 the difference is coaches on the sideline don’t perform for the player. The coaches can talk, but the player actually has to execute on the field. In chess, since the game is not physical but mental, the computer is the one executing and performing while the player is just does what it says like a dummy. A better comparison would be if the coaches actually went out on the field and threw the ball then you’d have a point.

    • @mysticjedi6730
      @mysticjedi6730 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TrevJ91 when play people can have 100 people advising them and any computer they like...

  • @HouseofJello
    @HouseofJello ปีที่แล้ว +224

    Don't castle like the model in this video if you're playing over the board. Always move the king two spaces then the rook.

    • @lordcommander4694
      @lordcommander4694 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      I see you are a man of culture as well

    • @hypothalapotamus5293
      @hypothalapotamus5293 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Internet denizen tries castling rook first online. Fails as well.

    • @_Fierce_Bear
      @_Fierce_Bear ปีที่แล้ว +4

      True that. And never use two hands to grab a piece after capture. Hehe. ;)

    • @danielch6662
      @danielch6662 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      2:15 in case anyone wasn't staring at the screen the whole time and missed it.

    • @opusdei1151
      @opusdei1151 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He is referring to this section 2:16 (First you move the king then the rook)

  • @SpontaneityJD
    @SpontaneityJD ปีที่แล้ว +483

    2:26 Please, do not ever pronounce "FIDE" like this again.

    • @elijahrose7913
      @elijahrose7913 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Ouch

    • @jonathana.5270
      @jonathana.5270 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      How should it be pronounced?

    • @w1zxrd
      @w1zxrd ปีที่แล้ว +79

      @@jonathana.5270 fide is prounounced fee-day. Fee like feet, and day like today.

    • @LimitedWard
      @LimitedWard ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@jonathana.5270 It's meant to be pronounced "fiddy", as in "the Loch Ness monster needed to borrow three fiddy."

    • @user-fg2lc3gu5d
      @user-fg2lc3gu5d ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don’t know chess but i will no go outta my way to say it like this

  • @MrLankoss
    @MrLankoss ปีที่แล้ว +212

    When someone says "I cheated that one time, but never since", I automatically believe they have cheated many times, and will continue to cheat until forced not too. Once a cheater, always a cheater, especially when it can have a significant monetary gain.

    • @kencur9690
      @kencur9690 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Well, that’s a bs way of thinking. I’m not defending the guy, but it simply is. Almost everybody has cheated in some way or another in their life. So they always cheat?
      Here’s my own admittance which doesn’t even have any consequence on anything, since it’s just casual living room gaming. When I was a kid, I was curious and typed in or inputted those cheats I always heard of, and I played some games like that. Invincibility cheat and what not. My curiosity satisfied, I never did that thing again, since it was quite boring. There, a prime example of someone who “cheated” and never did it again.
      I get that you’d be more suspicious of someone who cheated in the past, but to say that once a cheater always a cheater is the typical reductionist simplification that humans are unfortunately so good at. It’s a lazy way of reasoning.

    • @kencur9690
      @kencur9690 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Jmt1000 I know that, obviously, but that wasn’t my point, which you clearly missed. Regardless of whether it is innocuous and without consequence (as I plainly wrote in my comment!) or against others, it still remains the fact that having cheated once doesn’t mean one will cheat forever. That doesn’t change regardless of *how* the cheating is done: it is still cheating, and it was still not repeated. So I fail to see how my situation, despite being admittedly different, is not relevant. Why wouldn’t it be relevant?
      I mean, what are you talking about? What kind of “analogy” is that? I mean, it’s not even a bad one, it isn’t even an analogy. If you’re single, then obviously you can’t cheat (!) - not to mention that that kind of cheating is *also* significantly different from cheating at a game (in fact, it has nothing to do with competitive cheating). Whereas cheating at a single player game is STILL cheating. And by the way, many have cheated at single player games in order to get high scores... and to boast about it with other people. So single player cheats can have consequences after all: there are a lot of TH-cam videos about such incidents, and about such cheaters exposed.

    • @kencur9690
      @kencur9690 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Just some Austrian guy with a mustache wth are you talking about? How is that in any way relevant to what I wrote?

    • @kencur9690
      @kencur9690 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Just some Austrian guy with a mustache ah I think I get what you meant to say: you’re arguing that since it’s effortless to cheat in online chess then one is more prone to cheat, and that the only reason one doesn’t cheat again is because it’s too hard to. So essentially, two arguments. Ok, let me address each one, assuming that I am correct in my interpretation of what you meant to say.
      Regarding the first one, the ease with which one can cheat in online chess, well that may be so, but then as you said cheating on the board is not as easy, so how does that fit with the “once a cheater always a cheater” mentality? Still, I think there is some validity in the suggestion that it’s more probable for a cheater to keep cheating if cheating is easier, so there I agree.
      As for the second point, that some don’t cheat again because it is too hard, there I don’t really agree: perhaps it’s also true in some cases, but especially in the case I referred to, my own that is, it was very easy to cheat, so it’s no different at all. I stopped for other reasons. So it’s not always the case that a cheater doesn’t cheat anymore because it’s too difficult: it can definitely be a conscious choice.
      I hope I understood your point and I hope I explained mine well enough.

    • @kencur9690
      @kencur9690 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Just some Austrian guy with a mustache yes, I understand that, and I already addressed it: while I agree that there is some validity in what you say, I disagree that it is the only reason, and it was not at all the reason in my own example: it was extremely easy for me to cheat again, and I didn’t. In fact, seeing how there were no consequences and I would never be caught, it was even easier: there was nothing on the line, and yet I still chose to not cheat. Clearly, it’s not entirely true that the ease of cheating defines whether we do it again or not.

  • @pgbrual1453
    @pgbrual1453 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Magnus has lost to others before. He doesnt complain when you’ve actually bested him. But when a guy that beats you cant explain the reasoning of their moves, its very fishy. Even elos under 1500 can explain the game they played. A gm that is unable to do so makes it very suspicious.

  • @miscdylaneous5269
    @miscdylaneous5269 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If you cheat once, your reputation gets tainted and your word becomes untrustworthy.

  • @coconutologist
    @coconutologist ปีที่แล้ว +53

    The device was in his hair

  • @Dracoool
    @Dracoool ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Time to force players to play in a Faraday Cage and do DEEP CAVITY SEARCHES.........

    • @penguinista
      @penguinista ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Faraday Cage for cheating prevention and cavity search for kicks.

    • @alexm566
      @alexm566 ปีที่แล้ว

      Faraday cage is actually a good idea. We can use X-Ray instead of the cavity search.

    • @EMC273
      @EMC273 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They should play before it is broadcast.

  • @fatihsonmez
    @fatihsonmez ปีที่แล้ว +81

    2:17 dude, you can't castle like that. you have to move the king first.

    • @nicbentulan
      @nicbentulan ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Niiiiiice

    • @DShadow_Vins
      @DShadow_Vins ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly what I noticed! Lol

    • @nicbentulan
      @nicbentulan ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hans Niemann did castle like that vs Vladimir Fedoseev last year though lol

    • @nicbentulan
      @nicbentulan ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DShadow_Vins Hans Niemann did castle like that vs Vladimir Fedoseev last year though lol

    • @fatihsonmez
      @fatihsonmez ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nicbentulan yeah and hans was wearing a cool red sunglasses :d opponent mocked the move but ignored it :d normally, it's not okay tho :d

  • @penguinista
    @penguinista ปีที่แล้ว +191

    It is ridiculous that they don't take security seriously with that kind of prize money at stake. There are millions of people who care deeply about the outcome as well, so the risk of cheating is very high. Also, numerous grand masters have been caught in the past. They should hold chess tournaments at airports and use their millimeter resolution scanners on all the contestants. Don't allow spectators and delay the video feed by something like 30 min. Then we could find out how well Hans Niemann actually plays.
    Notice in that interview that he says he never cheated in a ranked game, but did cheat when he was sixteen to get his rank up online. He is evidently not a logistician.

    • @macabree5856
      @macabree5856 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      They did take security seriously. Watch the video again. But now, they underestimated how deep and advance deception and cheating is. There is another video on youtube that explains this and trust me, it will make give up on life the way they talk about superior advance cheating techniques.

    • @tongpoo8985
      @tongpoo8985 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unironically they may need to conduct cavity searches

    • @animefan7424
      @animefan7424 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@macabree5856 Danya literally gave a very simple way of cheating OTB

    • @macabree5856
      @macabree5856 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@animefan7424 Why you write that to me? What does your comment have to do with me? I don't get it. Plus, this comment thread nearly a half year old

  • @ShantanuPatnaik
    @ShantanuPatnaik ปีที่แล้ว +71

    2:48 - "Hidden somewhere on the player's body". Why not be more descriptive here on where it could be hidden?

    • @ammonquitalig9077
      @ammonquitalig9077 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly, LoL

    • @xrandomdonalds695
      @xrandomdonalds695 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Its in his hair. If you noticed his new hairstyle its rather long...

    • @pinky6758
      @pinky6758 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      E.g. a remote-controlled buzzer hidden on his leg, sending the recommended move to him via Morse-code, from someone in the audience who runs a copy of the game in a chess-simulator on their Smartphone.

    • @tuoljg
      @tuoljg ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pinky6758 Except sinquenfield cup and us championship allow no audience to watch only players and referees allowed in the playing hall. They also scan for signals. And they put delay on the game. And they scan players for good measure. Good luck cheating with that security lol.

  • @martinblake2278
    @martinblake2278 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Things that gave Hans away: 1. His moves for that match when analyzed and compared to his past moves strongly suggests that it's a move only a chess bot, super psychic, advance alien, or that of a super genius (miles ahead of Kasparov or Magnus) can do. It's very hard for non competitive chess players to realize but it's obvious if you are playing competitive for a while. 2. His explanations when interviewed on how he did those moves were so thin and lackluster, anyone who plays competitive chess significantly knows that there might be something going on there. I have no proof, but I've been playing since 10 years old and was competitive in high school, and I am 101 percent sure that cheating did occur.

    • @tonya1425
      @tonya1425 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It’s obvious that he cheated. Chess is a straightforward game; the fact that there was this many suspicious actions should make it obvious that he’s a cheater.

    • @MUISHAGGY572
      @MUISHAGGY572 ปีที่แล้ว

      They have proof, Hans was tested positive for steroids!

    • @Smileater
      @Smileater ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He cheated, no doubt for me. Just take a look at his current performance and snd blunders.

    • @ClaudioAguileraMunoz
      @ClaudioAguileraMunoz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      whe he is strictly observed his blunders are miles behind that performance. He obviously cheated, so pathetic.

    • @venerable_nelson
      @venerable_nelson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The second thing was one of the biggest ones for me. His explanations were so lackluster, and the interviewers had the chess engine recommended moves turned off while he was giving them (the first time this had ever been done).
      It's almost like he wasn't playing the game at all when he talks about it. His answers to all interview questions about the moves he took can be summed up with "trust me bro".

  • @Kane-ib5sn
    @Kane-ib5sn ปีที่แล้ว +30

    he was never caught. but, if you cheat, the cost comes back at you at a later date - almost guaranteed.

  • @snoozy04
    @snoozy04 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    The biggest disrespect is when Hans actually tweeted "The lawsuit speaks for itself."

    • @marksmit8112
      @marksmit8112 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Just like his win against Magnus. "The Chess speaks for itself". It does certainly because he cannot

    • @Alexander_Grant
      @Alexander_Grant ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You gotta love it. I hope from the bottom of my heart that he proves his innocence.

    • @TheGaming100
      @TheGaming100 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@Alexander_Grant don't worry, he 100% won't

    • @orderflowarchives
      @orderflowarchives 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He doesn't realize a lawsuit means he has to open up to discovery. Thats why he never went through with it

  • @jtgd
    @jtgd ปีที่แล้ว +156

    “It was a mistake”
    Deliberately cheats

    • @timefororbit
      @timefororbit ปีที่แล้ว

      Oopsy

    • @reviewyup592
      @reviewyup592 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      He cheated like a hundred games. Definitely deliberate.

    • @ccie7489
      @ccie7489 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, ‘mistake’ like when someone cheats on their partner. He meant making poor choices when he was 16.
      ‘Mistake’ doesn’t always mean something that is not deliberate.

    • @wolfson109
      @wolfson109 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're confusing "mistake" with "accident"

    • @Sneaky-Sneaky
      @Sneaky-Sneaky ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wolfson109
      In this case he meant…..an error in judgement ……

  • @jasondeanhallquist8382
    @jasondeanhallquist8382 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    He's a weirdo that's for sure. He gets so emotional he looks so guilty. I'm very curious to see how this unfolds

    • @longwalksguidemenerdwalk8866
      @longwalksguidemenerdwalk8866 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And what if he didn’t cheat?

    • @jasondeanhallquist8382
      @jasondeanhallquist8382 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@longwalksguidemenerdwalk8866 Good question

    • @thedarkowl8918
      @thedarkowl8918 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@longwalksguidemenerdwalk8866 or what if he did cheat?

    • @khawarwellness4886
      @khawarwellness4886 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@longwalksguidemenerdwalk8866 probably he didnt he just take chess so seriously and emotionally people take it as suspicion

    • @SGNL05
      @SGNL05 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He did cheat, multiple times.

  • @Yiran
    @Yiran ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This escalated quickly. Let them beads for itself.

  • @Williamottelucas
    @Williamottelucas ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I hadn't heard about the toggling/non-toggling evidence previously.

  • @matkins6813
    @matkins6813 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Looks like a Lance Armstrong moment coming soon...stay tuned.

  • @Gravy_Master
    @Gravy_Master 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why the heck is a professional player allowed to walk around and go to the bathroom with their cell phone DURING a match they are playing in? That is just asking for trouble.

  • @Max-ve5tu
    @Max-ve5tu ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Houston Astros, and now Hans Niemann.

    • @austinduke8876
      @austinduke8876 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't forget my ex; Annabelle Cavatelli

    • @AJ-iu6nw
      @AJ-iu6nw ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lance never cheated. Don't tarnish his name

    • @eagle-eye29
      @eagle-eye29 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You forgot football deflate gate…. I haven’t

  • @danielcintz8880
    @danielcintz8880 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    2:49 is what you are here for

    • @vignesh6654
      @vignesh6654 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      "Somewhere "

    • @kaliss7192
      @kaliss7192 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vignesh6654 *ANOLE*

  • @leonardofonseca1844
    @leonardofonseca1844 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    The best evidence is that current performances represent a impossible growth. As if he had suddenly become a prodigy with years of training at age 18/19, which makes of course no sense.

    • @krustyyy9284
      @krustyyy9284 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      its not impossible, you just need to play a lot of games. Firouzja went from 2560 to 2700 in one year, even giri from 2525 to 2675 in a year. But im not comparing his level to them though, you just really need to play more games than anyone against weaker competition. In 2021 Hans played 250 games, whereas other GMs played 100 gaining 200+ points in just under 2 years. We can speculate whether he cheated all those otb games or not but no one really knows but my point is that its not really impossible.

  • @technospyform1578
    @technospyform1578 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    "We got Jack Harlow at home"
    the Jack Harlow at home:

  • @dche64
    @dche64 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    August 2020. Hans is caught, feels ashamed and dedicates himself to "chess".
    July 2021 Hans says, "Raymond Reddington is my absolute hero...the way he runs his criminal organization, I would say, has inspired the way I think about chess."

    • @THAC0MANIC
      @THAC0MANIC ปีที่แล้ว

      yes coz you already repeat mistakes
      omfg that guy didnt learn from his past mistakes at all ever! there for we are going to blame him for eveything
      called Profiling bro and its illegol wouldnt stand in court.
      it be more insulting if i added race to this like
      Hes black, he commited a crime earlyer in his life
      there for he must be guilty of all furthur crimes that are even remotely pointed at his way!
      Like wow.

  • @shaynehix7711
    @shaynehix7711 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Play in-person tournaments only. That will solve the cheating. Online games should not be recognized as official games.

    • @animefan7424
      @animefan7424 ปีที่แล้ว

      When they do have official tournament games online, it is usually done on a set location or you need to show multiple cameras from different viewpoints. Chess sites have prize money tournaments such as titled arenas

  • @mattmannina1935
    @mattmannina1935 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    my biggest hurdle in chess is my bad connection in online games.. ive lost so many games from running out of time while waiting for the opponent to make his move >_

  • @TWE_2000
    @TWE_2000 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    It definitely doesn't help that Hans looks like the guy that sold you weed in high school lol

    • @Napstone
      @Napstone ปีที่แล้ว +4

      haha he IooKs and sounds IiKe a mad scientist!

    • @TastyShepherdsPie
      @TastyShepherdsPie ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hans went to my high school

  • @mastersinr
    @mastersinr ปีที่แล้ว +19

    so the "best" known method 2:10 is getting a hall pass?

  • @TomNook.
    @TomNook. ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Chess has never been this exciting

  • @DontEatFibre
    @DontEatFibre ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Something about him feels very unhonest when he is defending himself.

  • @mmathems395
    @mmathems395 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    From this content I learnt that the analysis leading to accusations shows a strong connection with the patterns in which a computer plays, indicating that a computer is informing the player. It makes more sense, and the key is how that's done, and the extra participants explanation covers this. Thank you for this content 😊

  • @gravityshark580
    @gravityshark580 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    just from observations on competitive games, the common occurrences of cheating (where it us kinda readily available) are people who are newer who immediately resorted to it, and people who are already one of the best thinking they deserve the highest ranks and they cheat to achieve that

  • @skidawg22
    @skidawg22 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    2:16 When castling, you always move the king first, then the rook. Moving the rook first is a legal move for the rook.

    • @goat6262
      @goat6262 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cry louder

  • @prateeksarin3555
    @prateeksarin3555 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Also if u see the way he analysed the game it means he memorises it and uses that which is how he plays

  • @waryinzero
    @waryinzero ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Illegal castling at the 2:18 mark. When castling, the king moves first to the left or right.

  • @anonymouschicken952
    @anonymouschicken952 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The report explicitly says they Chesscom found no evidence to suggest that Hans cheated against Magnus in the Sinquefield cup (or in any other over the board game), so that line toward the end of the video about how chess fans see the report as the smoking gun is a little misleading. Maybe some people do see it as evidence, but WSJ should really have made it clear that those people are wrong to see it that way, because this report is in no way evidence toward that conclusion.

    • @ChoppyMemes_
      @ChoppyMemes_ ปีที่แล้ว

      This is what I don’t like about this video. They left out that part of the Analysis. If Hans didn’t cheat against magnus, he may just be a genius.

    • @1994mrmysteryman
      @1994mrmysteryman ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Maybe you should use a bit of common sense.
      In a court of law, past misdeeds of the same nature are taken as evidence even for a completely fresh case as well.
      Take for example. A person is caught robbing a 100+ houses. Proven. Without a doubt.
      1 year later he is found in suspicious circumstances outside another robbed house. He has no alibi. His explanation makes zero sense.
      You don't need to specifically prove with physical evidence that he had a hand in that particular robbery. There's plenty of circumstantial evidence and a damning history of similar crimes.
      You just need to use your brain.
      This is one of the reason every top GM definitely consider him a cheater and so do most actual chess fans. Not ones that came from watching the Queen's gambit obviously.

  • @eliashoussney995
    @eliashoussney995 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I like how this compiled a lot of it so we don’t hVe to hear it through some biased gm but I wish there was more as there is a lot more to cover

    • @iii898iii
      @iii898iii ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol

    • @penguinista
      @penguinista ปีที่แล้ว +5

      There is a lot of information about his public games and their percentage correlation with stockfish that looks pretty damning. I wish they had covered that, his self-contradictions in the interview, his coach's history of cheating at TT, etc.

    • @joebidet3606
      @joebidet3606 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I feel like it’s actually problematic to not have this video directed by a grandmaster. I’m not defending GM Niemann, but it seems that because this video seems to be produced by someone outside of the chess world, plenty of important information was left out. Many other super GMs have condemned Magnus’s behavior, and this video did not discuss the evidence Magnus based his claim on (perhaps because there isn’t any). Overall, I’d say this video unfairly portrays the situation for Hans. I prefer my drama from people who are more in tune, like GM Fabiano Caruana and GM Ben Finegold.

    • @complainer406
      @complainer406 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@joebidet3606 Is this the first time you're witnessing journalism on a subject you're familiar with? It's always like this

    • @joebidet3606
      @joebidet3606 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@complainer406 Nah, usually when I watch the news regarding domestic and international politics, its pretty rare to find "reporting" that is as biased and shallow than what this video was. Then again, I bet WSJ just appointed this random guy to cover the story, rather than investing time and energy to contact/reference any other top-level GM that would have something to say.

  • @mikethespike7579
    @mikethespike7579 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    They should invite the guys to these tournaments who are in charge of security in casinos. They have more than enough experience with cheaters, can spot them already through their behaviour and can immediately tell if someone is lying.

  • @case6189
    @case6189 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pretty bad report by WSJ obviously didn’t do much research on this. Missed a lot of key details implicating Niemann even more.

  • @rorykeegan1895
    @rorykeegan1895 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Nieman has blown his credibility. Its about time cheating was jumped on harshly.

    • @danielch6662
      @danielch6662 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is exactly like what happens, when lazy cops "investigates" crimes, by simply blaming it on any convenient ex-con they know. This is why the country is going down to the s*******.

    • @rejectmodernity1037
      @rejectmodernity1037 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Niemann keeps winning 🥱🥱 and crushing tournament while you haters keep crying. Keep coping

    • @derekwang7330
      @derekwang7330 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@rejectmodernity1037 You think cheating in cash tournaments is acceptable?

  • @sy6550
    @sy6550 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just came here to vent. Been playing and time after time I get matched with cheats. Ohhh he only cheated online. It is horrible and aggravating when you face these idiots. Once a cheat always a cheat. Kudos to Magnus. He should be banned for life. Thank you Magnus for standing up to these vile people.

  • @aportilla007
    @aportilla007 ปีที่แล้ว +132

    If Hans trains with a computer, he will play like a computer. However, the window switching is an absolute tell.

    • @ViktorShahter
      @ViktorShahter ปีที่แล้ว +22

      You can't play like a computer because computer doing bug amount of calculations while analyzing position. No one in the world is capable to count like that. There's some moves that every chess player will call "strange" but engine will tell you that this was the best move because it calculated everything. It can somewhat see the future no matter what opponent will play. Niemann played a shitton of this engine moves btw. And no, doesn't matter how much you'll be playing against computer, you NEVER gonna learn how to play like it because you won't be able to understand moves that it doing.

    • @lc9991x
      @lc9991x ปีที่แล้ว +14

      All grandmasters train with engines. The issue is that almost every chess game will eventually find a unique position. There are virtually infinite possible chess positions, memorizing a so-called “computer line” or two is not enough to play like an engine

    • @br2485
      @br2485 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not true

    • @ps9501
      @ps9501 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You cannot play like computer

    • @TheGreenTaco999
      @TheGreenTaco999 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lc9991x who called it a computer line?

  • @Felix9lives
    @Felix9lives ปีที่แล้ว +43

    There is so much "buzz" in the chess world🤪

    • @hoola_amigos
      @hoola_amigos ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I see what u did there

    • @ocping
      @ocping ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This would "prompt" so many people to start playing chess

  • @Arvind_R
    @Arvind_R ปีที่แล้ว +40

    The fact that the guy doesn't know how to castle (moves the rook first) or pronounce "FIDE" (the way chess players do) says a lot about Wall Street Journal's motive behind covering this.

    • @gabrieljean-batiste2006
      @gabrieljean-batiste2006 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      What does it say?

    • @tms174
      @tms174 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Thesamurai1999 ? Its not clear at all.
      You probably think that there only are monetary incentives. Which any capitalist Endeavour has every tight to. But why couldn’t it be committed to one of its self proclaimed ideals, sharing news?

    • @artful1967
      @artful1967 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      it shows they are a news network citing facts not chess players. seems about right to me mr conspiracy loony

    • @Arvind_R
      @Arvind_R ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@artful1967 Do you even know what conspiracy means?

    • @mattrange5439
      @mattrange5439 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's just standard MSN reporting, none of their people know anything about something as old-fashioned as chess.

  • @Lucas-pw8fi
    @Lucas-pw8fi ปีที่แล้ว +13

    What I find interesting is why aren’t there any cyber security experts on this checking networks to see if there were any devices on the network

    • @gary_rumain_you_peons
      @gary_rumain_you_peons ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, it's all bunkum. They can't prove squat.

    • @thetooginator153
      @thetooginator153 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Maybe they did, and the device didn’t use the local network. It could be old-fashioned radio.

    • @danielch6662
      @danielch6662 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thetooginator153 They already had radio scanners in that room checking while matches were on.

    • @animefan7424
      @animefan7424 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@danielch6662 they changed their security measures only after the incident

  • @J3susChrist
    @J3susChrist ปีที่แล้ว +51

    man's just called FIDE, fai-dee LOL

  • @questo_edificio_e_mio
    @questo_edificio_e_mio ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why is this guy speaking so fast? If he didn't cheat,he would have been more calm and relaxed while explaining.

  • @corriepitt7630
    @corriepitt7630 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Another reason to bring back the brilliant ABBA/Tim Rice musical, “Chess”.

    • @thissignupisretarded
      @thissignupisretarded ปีที่แล้ว

      Right now we're Italian we used to be German the borders keep shifting around.

    • @corriepitt7630
      @corriepitt7630 ปีที่แล้ว

      Swap out the Hungarian horror for the Ukrainian horror.

    • @corriepitt7630
      @corriepitt7630 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thissignupisretarded who do these foreign chappies think they are?😏

  • @ToddAndelin
    @ToddAndelin ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Hans alleged cheating has awakened the world to chess.

  • @TheNoerdy
    @TheNoerdy ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I love stuff like this. Nerds vs nerds. All fun and games until the nerds get serious enough to develop entire algorithms to I'd it.

  • @cheesycarrotsoup
    @cheesycarrotsoup ปีที่แล้ว

    anything online should be questioned but in person games are something different

  • @RecaneYala
    @RecaneYala 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Loved the video.

  • @blacklisted4885
    @blacklisted4885 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Magnus knows when he is playing a computer.

    • @danielch6662
      @danielch6662 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Twenty years ago, Garry said he knew he was NOT playing a computer. He was so damned sure ...

    • @LeventButSpeedrunning
      @LeventButSpeedrunning ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielch6662 tell me you don't know anything about chess without telling me you don't know anything about chess

  • @eric4758
    @eric4758 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Something not mentioned here is that Niemann lost all of his matches in the chess tournament in which Carlsen withdrew from

  • @mitdesai55555
    @mitdesai55555 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Be Sooo Good They Can't Ignore You.... 🙏 Dedicated To Hans Niemann 🙏

  • @jayfanelli3659
    @jayfanelli3659 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Being a proven cheater, the burden of proof now lies on Niemann, for all those asking for explicit evidence. The need for explicit evidence exists only for Niemann to prove he is not cheating, and any refusal to engage with this known cheater is legitimate. Why would Magnus risk humiliation at the hands of an individual known to be lacking in integrity, and known to be willing to subvert the rules? Full body imaging immediately prior to the game with monitored bathroom breaks would be one way to do it. But then you ask yourself, why are we going through all this trouble to include a cheater?

  • @bobvilla4383
    @bobvilla4383 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    WSJ speaks for itself.

  • @alanchi8853
    @alanchi8853 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The guy is a gm and only needs help on one or two moves a game. Very difficult to catch cheating.

    • @danielch6662
      @danielch6662 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      15 minute delay on the stream, no phones or any devices in the room. Any spectator who wants to leave while the game is ongoing, has to stay 15 minutes in the lobby, still without their phones and devices.
      Toilet break? Two or three match officials accompany you inside. Use the urinals where they can watch you. If you want to use the sit down toilet, a camera on a shelf INSIDE, built so that it doesn't see anything below waist level. The video is shown right outside, where your minder can watch and make sure. You keep your hands up visible to the camera when you're in there.
      Modify the clocks to record WHEN the buttons were pushed. This is then reconciled with the record of moves made, and then included in an extended PGN file format that records not just the moves made, but when.
      This way, the whole world knows if somebody is thinking for 20 minutes to many one move. We then have more data, and can be more confident about whether people are or are not cheat OTB. With more info, if there is still suspicion, the 15 minutes can be increased to 30 minutes.

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielch6662 Good stuff!

    • @pianoverse1366
      @pianoverse1366 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielch6662 good points,maybe they will know soon about how to improve the security and solve cheating problems

  • @rahulvig5298
    @rahulvig5298 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I mean, if the best chess player in history finds something to be fishy then there definitely is something fishy.
    Also, if Hans is actually that smart, why isn't he able to explain his lines in the analysis of the game later on?

  • @shannona6989
    @shannona6989 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great tutorial... thanks

  • @CastleArchon
    @CastleArchon ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They never prove it though. Who else is cheating over the board then? Magnus just eliminated a threat by implication, but not by playing chess.

    • @imtheonehero9305
      @imtheonehero9305 ปีที่แล้ว

      They can prove it thru play style? His in person playing style should be completely different from online.

  • @janbrockschlager4913
    @janbrockschlager4913 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Sometimes I really wonder how people make huge profit investing in the stock market, I know investing is a legitimate way to gain financial freedom but how is it done?

    • @josephfriidae8275
      @josephfriidae8275 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mrs Jane is the key to my successful life and three of my friends also trades with her and
      earns $162,000 every month with her guidance.

    • @legitychibest6393
      @legitychibest6393 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jackson Thomas She's quite an established expert, I wouldn't want to leave her info on here as it's public platform, but since you're requesting, you can chat her on

    • @legitychibest6393
      @legitychibest6393 ปีที่แล้ว

      She’s active with this +𝟭𝟰𝟎𝟳𝟰𝟳𝟔𝟔𝟰𝟰𝟔🇺🇲

    • @legitychibest6393
      @legitychibest6393 ปีที่แล้ว

      Trade her that I referred you 👆

    • @davidinioluwa2301
      @davidinioluwa2301 ปีที่แล้ว

      I will thanks so much for her recommendation I appreciate it

  • @nickwylds7116
    @nickwylds7116 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Have Hans play inside a Faraday Cage

  • @quill444
    @quill444 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fairly good and comprehensive story about Chess coming from a financial site; probably better than what _Chess Life_ would write about _derivatives!_ - j q t -

  • @marie-anne2062
    @marie-anne2062 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I think hans will be more invited because people would want to see him play, out of curiosity or want to determine themselves if he's cheating or not. To be honest he has gathered quite a fan base.

    • @sux2beme
      @sux2beme ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Unless the tournament also wants to invite Carlsen

    • @danielch6662
      @danielch6662 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sux2beme I kind of drifted off away over the years, but this thing has really rekindled my interest. Personally, as a spectator, I'd rather much see Niemann right now. For a participant, Carlsen's presence might increase the ranking points. But then he'd beat you.

    • @groot843
      @groot843 ปีที่แล้ว

      Things may turn up in the US, the way you claim but for the rest part of the world ( definitely for the Asian tournaments) he is done for. He has disgraced the game.

    • @1994mrmysteryman
      @1994mrmysteryman ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@danielch6662 Depends on if you're a chess fan or a drama fan.

    • @niranjanrajesh1058
      @niranjanrajesh1058 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@danielch6662 as someone else said, all chess fans want magnus,all drama fans want hans. The tournaments that hans is currently playing in or just played in barely received any media coverage,coz hype and controversy only excite people for a while.

  • @0rg164
    @0rg164 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    so basically that one dude is so good at chess he can tell when someone is cheating within two moves

  • @NewWorldRubio
    @NewWorldRubio ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How are these players allowed to have their phones on them during tournaments involving prize money? And leave to use bathroom breaks with them on? Y'all need better security, straight up

    • @animefan7424
      @animefan7424 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you keep your phone on you at a tournament it is meant to be turned off or kept silent, if you keep it in the locker room or an area where a staff member can look/watch over the phone then the phone doesn’t need to be turned off or turned to be on silent mode, also chess prize money isn’t a lot

  • @HannahRady
    @HannahRady ปีที่แล้ว

    The missed opportunity to upend the chess board in the opening shot has me pausing

  • @mikeyoung9810
    @mikeyoung9810 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    It's a cheating world and to many winning is all that matters, no matter how they do it. Carlsen's words have weight and I'll take him at his word over someone who has cheated before and is rated to be doing so to win games.

  • @3mKay
    @3mKay ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the report speaks for itself
    /s

  • @alparslankorkmaz2964
    @alparslankorkmaz2964 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nicely explained.

  • @john_mckinney
    @john_mckinney 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    When you lose, make accusations of cheating

    • @Einomar
      @Einomar 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Accept Magnus haven't done that before.

    • @john_mckinney
      @john_mckinney 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Einomar
      So?

    • @BrotherBernard-yy4yd
      @BrotherBernard-yy4yd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Einomarthere is always a first time
      If you are accusing someone you better have proof

  • @adhi_r
    @adhi_r ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Thanks Magnus!
    Hans is the first one to fall there are tons of cheaters I hope they are get caught soon.

    • @shadowfurydono
      @shadowfurydono ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No idea how Hans fell, he's still playing tournaments.

    • @heeronheeron1348
      @heeronheeron1348 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How about the "pipi in pampers" issue

    • @LeventButSpeedrunning
      @LeventButSpeedrunning ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Tell me you don't know anything about chess without telling me you don't know anything about chess

    • @adhi_r
      @adhi_r ปีที่แล้ว

      @@heeronheeron1348 lol

    • @adhi_r
      @adhi_r ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@LeventButSpeedrunning another American Magnus hater I guess?

  • @chessdad182
    @chessdad182 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I saw a player on lichess who has a 1800 rating. Their OTB rating from a tournament only a month ago is 932. There is no such thing as online cheating!

    • @AdmiralEclipse
      @AdmiralEclipse ปีที่แล้ว

      Lichess also heavily inflates ratings, so its possible that they weren't cheating but who knows

    • @magnet_ft_rylles
      @magnet_ft_rylles ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm gonna reply based of what I understand from it comment
      It's not if the person had played in tournaments, otb or rated online games, but if the person used an engine during the tourney
      Since Hans had reports of games where he played near perfect when no one in the world possibly can do, adding the fact during interviews he couldn't answer the moves properly, and doesn't really know the idea, most likely he is cheating

  • @turtleking9999
    @turtleking9999 ปีที่แล้ว

    No mention of how important those 100 games were

  • @MrDots99
    @MrDots99 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:45 is the year wrong ?

  • @jasondeanhallquist8382
    @jasondeanhallquist8382 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I remember watching Kasparov vs deep blue. Kasparov accused IBM of cheating when he lost.

    • @cubitsinformatica7544
      @cubitsinformatica7544 ปีที่แล้ว

      It could be. Kasparov said that deep blue was playing with GM's help. Wich at that time, engines were still not strong as super GM's lvl.

    • @jasondeanhallquist8382
      @jasondeanhallquist8382 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cubitsinformatica7544 yeah I remember that. He probably still believes that they cheated and they might have. He asked for some kind of move analysis printouts and they said they lost them just to mess with his head.

  • @jaydenrock
    @jaydenrock ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So this dude is claimed a cheater with no physical evidence and just speculation? Kinda ridiculous if you ask me. I get their assumptions but isn't this opening a can of worms with future losers? Seems like this is being handled by some gatekeeper types. Also, this is lawsuit territory with out hard evidence.

    • @DougieFrank
      @DougieFrank ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He has admitted cheating before, & been caught before, which shows his character, or lack of, & disregard & disrepsect for the rules.
      Cheats never cheat just once, or twice - they cheat whenever they feel they can get away with it. Once a cheat, always a cheat.
      Prize money is a great incentive for him to cheat, & there is substantial evidence against him.

    • @jaydenrock
      @jaydenrock ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DougieFrank the only cheating I saw was some online games when he was a teenager. As we all know with Call of Duty teenagers love to use mods and cheat. It’s nothing out of the ordinary for a immature teenager. Now, if you know of any professional tournaments he was proven to be cheating, besides his own admission, I’d like to know?

    • @DougieFrank
      @DougieFrank ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@jaydenrock
      -LOL. 🤣🤣🤣-
      -Did you even watch this clip or read my comment...?-
      The whole point of this video & my comment is based on the fact he has never BEEN caught cheating at a professional tournament, but he has the means, the motive & the lack of integrity to carry out such an act. There is also substantial evidence against him to back up the allegations.
      -I really dont know why would you think I might know of a professional game where he has been caught, or why you would even ask me, when it is perfectly clear he has never been caught-

    • @jaydenrock
      @jaydenrock ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DougieFrank my comment wasn’t ment to argue with you. I was just asking you a question. Literally all I was doing asking if he had. I am curious if he has ever been in trouble before. I know zero about the chess world besides playing the game. I was just going by a couple videos I’ve seen. So this is someone from the outside looking in. So I could be wrong. So correct me if I am wrong. He hasn’t been punished and/or caught previous to these recent games?

  • @visaeryon
    @visaeryon ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hans looks like that villain kid from megamind.

  • @thePronto
    @thePronto 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Simple chear prevention: supervised bathroom breaks, and magnetometer (or searches) for hidden device detection. They submit to searches to get to the match, so they should submit at the match.

  • @tara2769
    @tara2769 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Half of this report is ridiculous. just spun around the make-belief of the online comments. But this scandal has attracted much-needed attention to chess, given the decline in the chess boom after the pandemic. fair-play methods need to be stricken in chess though.

  • @snookslayer4559
    @snookslayer4559 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Hans accuracy beating Magnus wasn't off the charts. And Mangus didn't play particularly great. So he maybe he didn't cheat, but ya never know against an admitted cheater - especially with a game broadcast LIVE. But it never should have come to that... caught cheating at any age - banned for life. Otherwise, you end up with these situations. Chess organizers only have themselves to blame. Hans shouldn't be invited to any tournaments ... ever.

  • @slickeye
    @slickeye ปีที่แล้ว +1

    with the 0% information i got from this video i dont think he cheated

  • @domiy13
    @domiy13 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's a bit ironic for Magnus to point to someone else and say "they're playing too good, they must be cheating!"
    He's the greatest chess player of all time operating on a level of understanding far beyond most other grandmasters. His own games somtimes are remarkably impressive. Somebody just as easily claim that maybe he's cheating too.

    • @GH-oi2jf
      @GH-oi2jf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Carlson is so good that it was predicted that he would become world champion.

    • @LyubomirIko
      @LyubomirIko 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Those empty allegations did nothing good for chess. Even if Hans were cheating online, there is no way he cheated overboard.

  • @NSAKEY
    @NSAKEY ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Magnus did not accuse Hans of cheating. He suspected him of cheating. There is a difference. Do better, WSJ.

    • @jamesreed422
      @jamesreed422 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, Magnus didn’t accuse Hans of cheating the same way your little brother is not touching you

    • @grumpytroll6918
      @grumpytroll6918 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Magnus fanbois retreating lol

    • @derekwang7330
      @derekwang7330 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@grumpytroll6918 True or False: Niemann cheated in multiple online cash tournaments

    • @MY-hc5fb
      @MY-hc5fb ปีที่แล้ว

      He couldn’t accuse him directly because that would get him sued.

  • @burntsider8457
    @burntsider8457 ปีที่แล้ว

    Misleading headline. No explanation is offered in the video.

  • @andreicmello
    @andreicmello ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Castling is a King move, not a Rook move.

  • @nosferatu5500
    @nosferatu5500 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hans niemann for the best

  • @close6813
    @close6813 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Magnus knew it right away when Hans was casually making moves in places where it takes a lot of logical effort to think through. And the dude carries himself as a dishonest looking person as well.

    • @tengu8560
      @tengu8560 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yet no proof and Hans is being a winner in the last tournament against super gms,what a shame

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tengu8560 . I trust Magnus over clueless youtube comments.

  • @judgedredd8876
    @judgedredd8876 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can't they find a narrator withOUT a lisp?

  • @paxundpeace9970
    @paxundpeace9970 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How do Knights move?

  • @aycc-nbh7289
    @aycc-nbh7289 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Don’t some tournaments limit the amount of game time each player has or the number of seconds allotted per move?

    • @ParanoidAandroid
      @ParanoidAandroid ปีที่แล้ว +5

      There is a time limit for the games, but depending on the format, they can have a long time (an hour for the game for example), so there's plenty of time to cheat

    • @MrJustCallMeJames
      @MrJustCallMeJames ปีที่แล้ว +5

      All of them do. There are different chess types like "classical", "blitz" and "bullet" The only difference between them is the time given at the start of the game and the per move increment to players time.

    • @danielch6662
      @danielch6662 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ParanoidAandroid lets concentrate on the actual match in the controversy. The time control for the Sinquefield Cup is two hours for the first 40 moves, one hour for the rest, plus 30 second increment from move 41 onwards. That particular game went to 57 moves. But that is deceptive. Magnus was already down two points after a couple of mistakes before move 30.