This video is talking about the crew onboard the Dali container ship. It is coming from the perspective of a crew-member, as I have worked at sea for almost 25 years. People died in this incident and we have not forgotten this, however this video is just concentrating on the crew based on recent reporting.
The FBI leaves no stone unturned and that can sometimes takes a long time......Also the crew may not have Visa's to go to shore....Thanks my friend..... Old F-4 II Shoe🇺🇸
Oh my seriously. First, is the concern for the crew and the confiscation of personal property by US gov agency and how in the bloody sam hill do they have jurisdiction to do that? I do feel for them to be *jailed* in a manner because they are not allowed to leave the ship. However, and where you are out is no less than stunning! Please do share all those outstanding vessels that you are teasing us with. Major eye candy to say the least. 🤗
Our FBI doesn't have a reputation for treating US citizens well so I'm not surprised. Perhaps they want to monitor the crews' calls and messages looking for info they wouldn't give the investigators but might tell friends and family or the company. I hope they can have some semblance of normalcy soon.
As a US citizen, I don't trust the FBI's motives. If no politician gets involved (and unlikely a Baltimore or Maryland one would), I wouldn't be surprised if the crew's phones aren't returned until the NTSB _and_ FBI have finished their investigations. Heck, the FBI may try to claim they need the phones forever. 🙄
Im a tug boat captain and have been working various barges around and allongside the ship. The crew onboard, I've talked to just about every day they are in good spirits and are use to long hitches. Its almost over fir the crew.
The employer is not the problem. It’s the FBI which is treating all of them like they’re terrorists. Foreigners are automatically treated as criminals and since they have no rights as citizens, the FBI can keep them in this de facto jail without charge or trial for as long as they wish.
Being in the U.S. and having access to local news here are a few things that you missed. The crew was confined to the ship even while the ship was in port unloading / loading. The reason reported at the time shortly after the crash was that most or all of the crew does not have the required visas and other papers to disembark. Another reason for them to be on the ship is that they have to keep all the systems on the ship running even though the ship is not sailing. From your report one could get the impression that the crew is stuck on the ship and kept in a vacuum. There are people, Coast Guard, etc., who are visiting the crew on a regular basis, resupplying food and other supplies. Why the crew's phones were confiscated and have still not been returned, I have no answer and it does seem a bit extreme.
As for the crews' phones, I'd assume either the FBI has lost them, or is deliberately withholding them, just because they can; as noted, the phones can be downloaded/copied in a fairly short time.
BTW, at the time of the detonation to break apart the bridge structure leaning on ship, the crew were on high alert because the local fire department were on board too with hoses already deployed and they had to make sure the ship's firefighting pumps were A-OK in case some of the hot shrapnel from explosion would ignitite something on ship.
Man "O" man you do an excellent job 😊 Of explanation of what these poor sailor from a foreign land have to deal with being your vessel has crashed and is stuck. The way the FBI traeted these Sailors is just down right WRONG. I so much love their is a organization that looks out for their welfare. 😊 I love how you walk on pier and explain everything in facts. 😊
My question are: Where are the foreign embassy representatives and lawyers for the crew? Would not being allowed to return to your home country be considered an illegal detainment?
Whether they are cleared of wrongdoing or not has yet to be determined. Also, the owners of the Dali is responsible for their welfare. So maybe the owners should be asked about this. As long as the crew is on board, the vessel is not in Salvage status, perhaps.
Hopefully a foreign embassy representative _will_ contact them, if one hasn't already (which I'm guessing hasn't happened). It's not an illegal detainment since they're involved with an accident. As for lawyers, it would depend. The owner of the Dali probably has no legal obligation to the crew _unless_ they belong to the company that owns the vessel, which is uncommon. _Generally speaking,_ there is the company that owns the vessel, then a second company that rents the vessel and they hire crew using contracts (6 months, a year, one trip,). The renting company _might_ have an obligation, but with maritime laws being different, the individuals might have to hire their own attorney(s).
You discussion of the crew's situation on board the ship only re-enforces my opinion that one should not concentrate all one's critical information in one place (on the phone). Where would any of the crew (or you yourself) be if your phone fell into the bay? How would you pay your bills? Such information should be dispursed over multiple storage facilities. Redundancy makes recovery much easier.
Well, they did bring a known defective ship into our country, so... none of the crew said we should repair the issues before we set sale/get underway. Look at the damage this broken ship cost us, lives lost, a bridge, a port, all the people out of work, for years. It was a known defective ship.
eSysman Super Yatchs, the crew of the M/V Dali are not exactly detained, they have to remain on board because of visa requirements and due to the fact that they still need to be operating the equipment on that ship, like maintaining the engine room, taking care of their cargo, meaning the now pretty unstable containers, and most importantly, they are to be ready in case any emergency situation arises during the removal of the debris and the salvage operation of the ship. the conditions on board of those large vessels are rather comfortable, I am almost certain they are well fed, and sleeping even more hours than during regular sailing conditions, they are not at this time working under normal conditions like if they were on the trip sailing back to Sri Lanka. The current FBI investigation is a step taken from the US government to make sure that the causes of that horrendous accident are cleared out one hundred per cent. My most sincere condolences fo the families of the victims. bst rgs
@@YachtReport It just sounded to me like if you were saying the crew of the Dali werre suffering from still being retained on board of the ship, when the reality is different, bst rgs
NO, the Pilots got OFF, did a piss test first. But my guess, and take this as my Humble opinion. I think the work load on the Baltimore shipping pilots is such, the two Pilots one being a guy going through training. There is a very high NEED for these Pilots on other vessels, especially since the small channel is open. Remember those pictures of CG small work boats putting the channel markers in for temporary channels. I just think the two Pilots are needed badly. The big one is the poor crew members are not US citizens. I read all the time in the magazine ( Professional Mariner) about how hard it is for ships crews on just a normal come to US ports. The Document that these foreign Mariners on a normal day must have in order, to just stretch their legs at a nice port bar. In Boston there is a Hotel type place just for ship crews to stay at when they have time to get off big ships. Very cheap for sailors on these cargo vessels.snd this is a hotel just for Mariners, they feed them, house them, full staff. I do not know if Baltimore has a stay in at land hotel for the Mariners. I really feel for the poor crew to be treated like this by the FBI. Can you imagine just doing your job in engineering on board her, all this blackout happened outbound. And you are just trying to remember the emergency operation. The Navy trains this day in day out. I think on these big cargo ships it is a little different After all it is NOT a war ship. I have seen small Navy ships just going through a narrow channel with full crew Manning the two front Anchors with safety hooks OFF chains and a man standing by a big wheel for anchor brakes. This was with full control of Navy vessels. I'm just saying the military is a little more strict on standby even when no power loss has happened. Look at the amount of tugs on the sides of the Aircraft Carrier just getting underway from Navy piers. I once saw a security small boat go on board a tug just getting in position for assistance to move an aircraft Carries away from Navy dock. The security boat was looking through the Tug, this was all for making sure everything was up and up.
Having worked as a public safety employee for 45years I would suspect that it has to do with “chain of custody” if going through the phone data they find something incriminating. I’m not saying that they will but officials are covering all their bases.
Right. If they have to go to court and present evidence from the phones, they have to have the actual seized phones in court. Leaving the crewmen incommunicado isn't necessarily a goal of law enforcement, simply a matter of "we grabbed something, we're keeping it until the investigation is completely closed". A humane answer would be to clone the phones and give the crew members the cloned versions (so their photos and contacts are available to them), retaining the originals for evidence. But humanity isn't high on the list of characteristics during criminal investigations.
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SYSMAN U ON IT! SEAMAN AND DOGS EXCLUDED! THANK THE Good LORD FOR SEAMAN'S CHURCH INTL. OH YEAH! ITS GOOD OLE YANKEE BS! SO What'd THINK, CHARTER A BUS TO DC, TAKE A SPIN AROUND THE MALL! THEY COULD BE 'PERSONNA NON GRATIA!' IT SUCKS BEING THEM AT THE MOMENT! THEY COULD BE HOSTAGES!? 3:43
greeting from Baltimore.i live about 5 miles from sparrows point. it sured screwed our traffic patterns though. we appreciate you keeping everyone up to date with the key Bridge incident. as well as all the other awesome super yacht news. please loan me your gt2 please. cheers mate.
It would be bloody horrifying to not know whats going on in the case of your family, friends and loved ones. My word what mental cruelty. A state of mind ranking up there with the crew that landed the 747 in the Hudson and their perceived involvement. Sheesh
I was the Chief on a largish yacht (over 60mtr) arrested in a certain north eastern Spanish city, for 11 months; a little over a decade ago (are you getting the NDA vibe?). The crew were paid off and only the Skipper, myself and the Chef were required to remain onboard. Almost immediately the wages stopped as did operating funds, so pretty soon after that shore services were cut. We ended up back on ship’s power watch the fuel dwindle. We weren’t obliged to remain with the vessel, however the authorities made it clear that if any one of us paid off, the vessel would be considered abandoned and subject to seizure (I assume to be auctioned for outstanding port fees etc and that bill was pretty huge). Given the ownership of the vessel, none of us wanted to be responsible for the boat being seized and, perhaps, having a short, exciting, life looking over your shoulder. To be fair to the owner, he managed to find a work around for our salary and a car would appear every 3-4 months with a suitcase full of cash. But, for 11 months, I lived Red Dwarf. We worked out an internet work around by plugging in a network cable to an obliging adjacent yacht…
Bridge got in the way of the Dali on March 26th. NTSB got involved March 27th. FBI started its investigation April 15th. Apparently, the seizure of phones was done early in the FBI's investigation, so only from April 15th. iPhones are not that easy to duplicate/backup/copy without the password. And the FBI is more ikely to end up taking pictures of all pages in messages and similar apps than to download the data itself. But FBI clearly not in a hurry to complere the work and return phones. Also, the NTB has released its preliminary report today or yesterday, am just reading it now. (sorry, TH-cam punishes me if I post URLs in comments).
Ambiguous Loss. Do they need to be quarantined? Why? They should be able to go to a coffee shop or public library and use the internet to contact family.
As always I like and trust your coverage of these situations! One thing that has not been mentioned, as you well know to shut down one of these ships would not only take a lot of time and course the restart would be even more time! Just to maintain the ship and keep it operational and ready to be moved on short notice takes a large part of the crew! Remember until this ship is completely relocated the channel cannot be opened! About the phones, I agree, without a phone you may as well lock yourself in your room! However, we've heard a lot of speculation and guesses as to what really happened, but no hard clear story. The one large piece of information is that this ship was probably not seaworthy! So they must prevent communications so all those involved can make up, or be told what to say or not say! I do hope they are being supplied well.
As a retired Crime Scene Investigator, I have some insight. The phones were seized as part of a criminal investigation. Yes, the phone can be copied, but we are still required to maintain all evidence for court. The original evidence will remain as seized, and the copy of the data is what will be analyzed. Nothing will be released until the Investigation is over. Releasing the original evidence could result in the "copy" being thrown out of court. Often it is just too early in an investigation to truely know what is important to the case.
@@YachtReport Yes a sub is called a boat but for me that's because the only way you would get me and many others on a sub was if the craft I was on was sinking .
This is a major catastrophe, not a car accident. Every precaution should be taken to make sure this accident is thoroughly investigated. Many people lost their lives. Therefore, it is imperative that everything and everyone is investigated.
Yes, it needs to be investigated, but if the incident had occurred on land nobody would be held for over 50 days without being able to contact their families. It shows the double standards seafarers are subject to even in 2024.
With the possible exception of minor children, everyone on board a plane or vehicle that destroyed a major piece of critical infrastructure for reasons unknown would absolutely be held until an investigation had been done. Unfortunately, this is taking a long time because of the complexity of the circumstances and number of people involved.
If you walk in with no job and no plan, everything is fine but these guys with a job and a reason to be here are treated like shit. Typical US government action.
@eSysmanSuperYachts BlancoLirio just reviewed the new NTSB Preliminary Report on his channel minutes ago. He normally does aviation accident investigation but he's very good at explaining accident reports in general. Great details of the electrical system and what transpired aboard the ship with the timing of events.
The FBI needed to obtain a search warrant to seize the crew's phones and I suspect that they did it in order to examine their communications. With many end to end message encryption apps, the contents can only be read on a device that either sent or received the message. And, because of how encryption keys work, data downloaded off a device is typically inaccessible. Screen shots is often the only sure method to access and preserve secure messages, and this can be labor intensive. Any phones with incriminating messages or photos will be held for evidence and never be returned to the crew. Undoubtedly, the FBI is looking for any communications concerning maintenance/problems on the ship, and they are certain the find some, which will implicate culpable parties. Dockworkers had complained about power outages while they were loading the vessel, which caused refrigerated containers to shut down. Some of the crew are likely to face criminal prosecution and others will be witnesses against them. So they aren't going any where soon.
1980 USN VA-65 Fighting Tigers (A6 Intruder) onboard USS Dwight D Eisenhower CVN 69 - (8 months at sea) 254 days in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Iran as part of the expeditionary force... 12hrs on duty, 12 hrs off duty, 7 days a week.
@@matteframe Sure the bunks are smaller, quarters are more crowded, bathrooms are not private, no portholes, food is worse, no TV radio phone or internet, the pay sucks and war might breakout at any minute
I don’t understand why they can’t get another phone with their information on it? I can’t make it one day without my phone. Also I thought your phone information is backed up to your account which the FBI could back up everything
The company that owns the ship has already filed a claim that their financial responsibility is limited to the value of the ship. The lawsuits will be in the billions. There are rumors that the ship was experiencing mechanical and electrical difficulties while docked. It's very interesting that the ship set sail well after midnight. Why? If they had left during the day there would have been tugs working that might have stopped the bridge getting destroyed. Yes it's difficult for the crew to have to go through this. But it's vitally important that the truth is found out about what actually occured. With no input from outside sources.
It’s not interesting at all that the ship left after midnight. Sailing time is dictated by loading/unloading schedule, tides, pilot and tug availability and other traffic.
Back when I was at sea we used to hate bunkering in the USA as if there was even a small spill, regardless of who was at fault the crew and the vessel who be held until the legal and insurance issues were settled. I can’t help but think that something similar is going on here. As an ex seafarer and someone who worked in the marine industry my whole working life I feel for these guys.
Thank you for reminding me that empathy really is a superpower. Yeah, I would totally feel the same way. I have memorized my wife's phone number for reasons. It's at this point that she would like to remind me that I am not to use that if I ever find myself in need of bail. This is why I have also memorized my best friends phone number. Mostly because if I ever find myself in need of bail, my wife will too.
I find it amazing that the crew has been kept on the ship. The current administration in the USA has let MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS walk right into our country and do whatever the hell they want !!!! ABSOLUTE DISGRACE OF AN ADMINISTRATION !!!!!!
Part of the reason that the crew has not been allowed to go ashore or communicate is that there was suspicion that the ship hit the bridge deliberately. This is the reason that the FBI and Homeland Security are involved in the investigation. There were accusations of terrorist involvement in the crash. The crew will probably be kept on board until there is concrete evidence that terrorism is not involved. Also there are accusations of criminal negligence on the part of the captain and owners for shoddy maintenance of the vessel. This ship has had 3 other incidents of power loss or steering issues in the last 3 years. It is estimated that it will cost $1.2 billion and take 2 to 3 years to replace the bridge. For now traffic that used to cross the bridge has to detour over 50 miles to get from one side to the other.by limiting communication between the crew and the outside it prevents the crew and the company from fabricating a story to cover up what actually happened.
Sorry to ask a stupid question but what happens if they have a medical emergency on board and also who pays for any medical issues that they have? Can they come to the US for medical care? 🙏🏽💙💜
Its stay on the ship or a jail cell as criminal charges may be pending at this point. Plus why would the crew be taken off when they will be moving the ship soon
I really your view on this subject, but I used to go on ships where we were expecting to be at anchor for 6 months. I never experienced that because the agent was great. We didn’t have phone’s . The longest spell on one ship was 9 months. No communication bar letters. How did we cope.
As long as we are 'conjecturing' let me add one. In a court of law evidence is generally required to be primary. Copies of what was in the phones may not be admissible for court cases whether they be civil or criminal would also make a difference. For the NTSB copies might suffice. For a possible criminal investigation and court proceedings not so much. The FBI would be building a criminal investigation as they don't do civil actions. The "chain" has to be unbroken from when they 'discover' the evidence until it is being used in a court. This would preclude them giving back the actual phone making it available to be changed or deleted by whoever and whatever. In this day and age when a billion dollars is at stake a lot of 'things' could happen to those phones favorable or unfavorable to the principals involved. Phones and their contents is a whole game of its own. What can be protected by the fifth amendment, etc. etc. What is public knowledge, what portion of media use is protected and what is not all of that will be wrangled over. If the phones have been out of custody the charge they have been tampered with may be made.
Forensic copies are admissible when properly obtained, and they can testify to their training, experience, procedures, and the evidence. The FBI has a lot of those people. But you would want the physical device for defense discovery.
I would think that these sailors would be used to not having cell coverage for most of their tine at sea, would not think there are a lot of cell towers along their ocean routes.
I am thinking also of the condition the ship is in. I would think it is considered 'Under way but not making way' as I recall the rules. At anchor falls into this category. This requires a full crew on board. In this case there is also the possibility it could shift. This would require lines and anchors to be attended in changing situations. A full crew is mandated for good reason. A myriad of things can change at a moment's notice with fire and catastrophic breach of the hull but two possibilities. It was not so very many years ago that a life of going to sea meant you were completely out of touch. The only contact being the Single Sideband marine operators who could only handle a minimum of calls making it emergency or priority use only. We had no TV, no videos, no internet, none of these. We did have some radio stations with high wattage that were obtainable when conditions were right. We had the books that the crew brought on board. No gyms or workout equipment or space to use it. A normal trip would be signing on for ninety days and of course everyone knew that circumstances could change and you were there for the duration. We survived and considered that normal. You don't just sign on for the 'good times'. It is something to consider before undertaking this line of work.
Regarding the forensic imaging of the crews phones. With modern phones that's not simple if the phone is locked and you don't have the pin. In a criminal investigation, if they are going to charge someone, they would want the physical device to provide to defense counsel during discovery so defense can do their own forensic imaging. The FBI could also be looking for traces of malware on phones and computers if they are concerned about an industrial control system (ICS) attack against the ship.
I haven't heard anyone talk about the weather and water conditions, only the loss of power. Pardon my ignorance, but if a boat is going straight and losses power, it should continue to go straight. I don't believe Wind or Current 'turned' the Dali. Maybe you have spoke to this before, but how does something that large turn that 'quickly' without having rudder input? What was the Wind Direction and how strong? What was the Water/Current Conditions and how strong? The power goes out and a 149,000-ish Ton Boat (Titanic was 52,000-ish Tons) turns right into the exact spot to drop that bridge. How did it turn without rudder input ?........anybody ? The crew is safer on the boat. Baltimore is a sh!thole. Spent lots of time in that area about 15 yrs ago and it hasn't gotten better.
I'm not in the position of these poor people but maybe, it the life support systems of the ship are working properly (water, AC, etc....) I would prefer to stay onboard instead of being put in an administrativ detention building in perhaps poor conditions and with other dangerous people. At least I can stay in my usual environment, with my bunk, etc...
You are very right on the cell phone issue concerning not just verbal but also data including contacts made and associations. In a way I think that the conspiracy to crash vs. the accident, the accident wins. It is an issue that was identified dockside and as anyone that has worked with machinery knows that just fixing one problem can cause the next weakist part to fail. Many corperations will fix the quick fix but not invest in a full review of systems at greater costs. I'm sure that Mega Yaughts are much different considering the cargo difference. I wonder if the shipping ceo has a pleasure craft and just how differently the maintenance is performed. I' m very sure that his butt is much better protected than those measly employees.
they may be investigating something untoward if that is the case then they need to keep them confined or they might never see them again we still don't know if it was an accident or not
They go to sea for months at a time. They have enough to do keeping the pumps going. Release the allotments to their families. Seal all comms in/out. Quarantine in effect, e-signals included. Find out deliberate intent-masked under cover of "Lost power to steering"- right. No sympathy. Should never left the dock w/ power failures. 2 Pilots and the Captain.
I feel sorry for the crew however I understand that their phones etc had to be confiscated because of security concerns. I'm glad they're doing a thorough investigation.
People seem to forget that this is NOT a security concern but a criminal investigation. The vessel left in an unsafe condition - electrical system was not working correctly BEFORE departing. That same system is believed to be the cause of the collision. With a phone and internet anyone should be able to get at least one contact’s information without their original phone. They have continually been in contact with the union rep and given outside news. You only give the phones back when you rule out the individual’s’ involvement - until then they are possible evidence.
Possible there is some evidence on the phones which may be necessary for a court. Standard investigation procedure requires possible evince being safeguarded.
I thought they had access to wifi. If so, then there are other means of comms. For real-time comms, there's WhatsApp and Facetime. For offline comms, there's email.
"The FBI has opened a criminal investigation into the cargo ship that slammed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge and caused it to collapse in Baltimore last month, according to two senior law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation." April 15th NBC Article
Your concern for the wellbeing of the crew is nice, but there are ongoing investigations. And the preliminary report suggests that forseeable risks were negligently handled at the very least. We don't know all the details of what the investigators have found. We don't know what we don't know.
Yes amen! A second priority! Let me tell you from the standpoint of a baltimorean. That ships crew failed! In so many ways. Where were the tugboats. Oh! They called them off. Those crew members do not have visas. Sorry for them. The owner of that ship should be making Provisions for them. I don't feel the least bit sorry for the crew who failed to control their ship and ran into such an iconic Bridge!
FYI the pilot called off the tugs and the pilot is a local. Also it was standard operating procedure to disengage the tugs at this point. That had nothing to do with the crew.
So, people can cross the southern border without question, yet a crew of working people can't go ashore because of VISAs. Once again, this country needs a new management team.
You know that's not true. It's not legal to cross the border without a visa or for asylum. The folks on the ship are free to swim to shore illegally just like folks cross the Rio Grande illegally.
Lol, did you miss the part where the Democrats tried to pass bipartisan bill to better close the southern border and Trump made the Republicans reject it? You're all being played like a fiddle.
Not sure it's that easy concerning the phones. I was involved in an investigation. The phones were held as evidence for the better part of 5ish years (maybe longer,). From what I understand, the investigators had to file a warrant with the phone company to access records, which the opposing lawyers would delay and hinder. Obtaining the warrants, filing it, dealing with the phone company bureaucracy etc. That can take a long time. And I imagine that dealing with international companies is even worse. Not to mention alot of phones. I am not an official of any sort, just relating my own experience and what the lawyers told me. By the time the phones were returned they were multiple generations old. And how the crew is being looked at by the government, no idea. Are they responsible for the accident? If they think they might be, then saying they are detained might be right. Time will tell.
I doubt, hope, none of the crew had anything to do with this tragedy, but thoroughly dissecting all the info contained on the phones would be imperative as this is likely the main source of info should there be some misconduct aboard the ship. But, why is it taking so long to probe the phones, and return them to the owners? This is making me think they found something?
Why are they “trapped” I worked on LNG carriers and didn’t go ashore for 3/4 Months and the crew are onboard for 9 months at a time anyway they will still get provisions and water so what’s the deal at least they don’t have to do cargo operations or much maintenance
It is sad that the authorities have no consideration for the mariners. This is the cruel arrogance of bureaucrats who treat the sailors as a lower class of human. Release the phones, even if you make copies of the data. Grant shore leave.
I feel sorry for them but they are safer onboard than they would be in crime-ravaged Baltimore. Still they should be allowed to get their own phones back, it's cruel not to.
I'd be pissed about being locked on the ship. They should at least be returned their phones and have their company fly them home or to another commission.
From what I've read, weight of the bridge structure on the ship plus you can see better since it was partly blown off is the four lane highway deck still on the ship. A lot of weight still pushing her bow down.
I don't want to sound negative but one word wasn't said about the six people who lost their lives on that bridge if the crew of that ship new it had mechanical issues and did nothing about it then I think the investigation will ultimately find out who's at fault or who was responsible, I do think that there should be some sort of communication allowed for the crew of the ship with their families but the truth is it's a criminal investigation right now that's what I understand. I may be wrong just saying. 😢😢
Tough to not be a citizen with rights… The crew is stuck between all kinds of regulations, company, country and ocean… Who are they going to sue, with what money? It looks like they are stuck doing their jobs until the ship is out of danger…. And doesn’t produce any further danger to navigation… It looks like an extended number of weeks working for the ship… Hope they get paid overtime… It’s a tradition to have signed contracts… that probably cover what happens when the ship stops working as expected… They are fortunate to not have lost any crew… there were two people at the bow trying to set an anchor where the bridge was about to be falling… Anchor was dropped, but couldn’t get set… 😃 What law firm wants to take on this nebulous responsibility? Has anyone seen the contract that was signed?
what m/y is that behind your filming location in the first part of the video. i cant see it close up but it looks to have the vertical bow style which I'm not a fan. shame if it had a traditional bow that would be so much more attractive. its a nice looking vessel maybe 50 meters maybe close to 55 but handsome for sure.
I support kindness when in doubt.. This seems a situation of maybe stupidity on the crew or shipline... but malice? terrorism? I don't see it.. it seems cruel to keep these people locked in, and to take their devices and restrict the data.. I am glad FBI and others are being tight, but these people seem at worst to made a bad mistake (but what are the odds the ship owners cheaped out?? eh) ,, we all screw up, and I would be worried about depression and suicide of those people... as a American I sure want to see some kindness to them.. and innocent till proven guilty is America...
What about the power?… The ship floundered because of a power failure (at least that is what I heard) … with an investigation like this there is no way they would be allowed to work on those systems so the investigating authorities could determine the cause. Refrigeration, HVAC, water, sewage??? Are those all working? Are there working generators??? I would be most concerned for the crew! Maybe they were at fault…. Maybe Not! Won’t know until after the investigation is complete. But they should be treated with humanity.
There's four main generators and one backup. The backup can only run the 440 volt stuff like HVAC, fridges/freezers, cooktops, etc. The four main ones run all the 6,600 volt stuff like the supports systems like the main engine cooling, oil, fuel pumps, etc. NTSB release a prelim report this week with those details and the sequence of events that led to the bridge collapse. But nothing about root cause yet.
they would be under sail, doing a hell of a lot more work. such is the life of the mariner. at least one of them caused this incident through incompetence.
This video is talking about the crew onboard the Dali container ship. It is coming from the perspective of a crew-member, as I have worked at sea for almost 25 years. People died in this incident and we have not forgotten this, however this video is just concentrating on the crew based on recent reporting.
Thanks for another great video, very informative. I’m currently working in the same location in Sanremo, will keep an eye out for you.
The FBI leaves no stone unturned and that can sometimes takes a long time......Also the crew may not have Visa's to go to shore....Thanks my friend.....
Old F-4 II Shoe🇺🇸
Oh my seriously. First, is the concern for the crew and the confiscation of personal property by US gov agency and how in the bloody sam hill do they have jurisdiction to do that? I do feel for them to be *jailed* in a manner because they are not allowed to leave the ship.
However, and where you are out is no less than stunning! Please do share all those outstanding vessels that you are teasing us with. Major eye candy to say the least. 🤗
Our FBI doesn't have a reputation for treating US citizens well so I'm not surprised. Perhaps they want to monitor the crews' calls and messages looking for info they wouldn't give the investigators but might tell friends and family or the company. I hope they can have some semblance of normalcy soon.
As a US citizen, I don't trust the FBI's motives. If no politician gets involved (and unlikely a Baltimore or Maryland one would), I wouldn't be surprised if the crew's phones aren't returned until the NTSB _and_ FBI have finished their investigations. Heck, the FBI may try to claim they need the phones forever. 🙄
Thank You for covering things that no other person is covering on the news. You have been Awesome 🙏🏽💙💙💜
Im a tug boat captain and have been working various barges around and allongside the ship. The crew onboard, I've talked to just about every day they are in good spirits and are use to long hitches. Its almost over fir the crew.
They're safer on the ship. The crime rate in Baltimore is horrendous.
You failed to mention that the crew’s employer is not helping them either !
The employer is not the problem. It’s the FBI which is treating all of them like they’re terrorists. Foreigners are automatically treated as criminals and since they have no rights as citizens, the FBI can keep them in this de facto jail without charge or trial for as long as they wish.
Thank you for the update, and the commentary. Always appreciate your insight.
Being in the U.S. and having access to local news here are a few things that you missed. The crew was confined to the ship even while the ship was in port unloading / loading. The reason reported at the time shortly after the crash was that most or all of the crew does not have the required visas and other papers to disembark. Another reason for them to be on the ship is that they have to keep all the systems on the ship running even though the ship is not sailing. From your report one could get the impression that the crew is stuck on the ship and kept in a vacuum. There are people, Coast Guard, etc., who are visiting the crew on a regular basis, resupplying food and other supplies. Why the crew's phones were confiscated and have still not been returned, I have no answer and it does seem a bit extreme.
As for the crews' phones, I'd assume either the FBI has lost them, or is deliberately withholding them, just because they can; as noted, the phones can be downloaded/copied in a fairly short time.
Who needs proper paperwork in this country anymore....
🙋♂️ THANKS ESYSMAN, FOR THE UPDATE AND YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE THE SITUATION 👍💚💚💚
BTW, at the time of the detonation to break apart the bridge structure leaning on ship, the crew were on high alert because the local fire department were on board too with hoses already deployed and they had to make sure the ship's firefighting pumps were A-OK in case some of the hot shrapnel from explosion would ignitite something on ship.
Good report and I think you for the insight you bring in all your stories keep up the good work
Man "O" man you do an excellent job 😊
Of explanation of what these poor sailor from a foreign land have to deal with being your vessel has crashed and is stuck. The way the FBI traeted these Sailors is just down right WRONG. I so much love their is a organization that looks out for their welfare. 😊 I love how you walk on pier and explain everything in facts. 😊
My question are:
Where are the foreign embassy representatives and lawyers for the crew?
Would not being allowed to return to your home country be considered an illegal detainment?
Whether they are cleared of wrongdoing or not has yet to be determined. Also, the owners of the Dali is responsible for their welfare. So maybe the owners should be asked about this. As long as the crew is on board, the vessel is not in Salvage status, perhaps.
They're absolutely being held hostage
The crow should be able to get some down time and get any medical care if they need to. Also I don’t understand why they can’t get a 2nd phone??
Hopefully a foreign embassy representative _will_ contact them, if one hasn't already (which I'm guessing hasn't happened). It's not an illegal detainment since they're involved with an accident.
As for lawyers, it would depend. The owner of the Dali probably has no legal obligation to the crew _unless_ they belong to the company that owns the vessel, which is uncommon. _Generally speaking,_ there is the company that owns the vessel, then a second company that rents the vessel and they hire crew using contracts (6 months, a year, one trip,). The renting company _might_ have an obligation, but with maritime laws being different, the individuals might have to hire their own attorney(s).
@@grondhero Which is why there are usually Maritime Sailors Clubs/Associations sponsored by Union personnel in Canada and the USA to assist the men.
You discussion of the crew's situation on board the ship only re-enforces my opinion that one should not concentrate all one's critical information in one place (on the phone). Where would any of the crew (or you yourself) be if your phone fell into the bay? How would you pay your bills? Such information should be dispursed over multiple storage facilities. Redundancy makes recovery much easier.
Well, they did bring a known defective ship into our country, so... none of the crew said we should repair the issues before we set sale/get underway. Look at the damage this broken ship cost us, lives lost, a bridge, a port, all the people out of work, for years. It was a known defective ship.
This is truly a sad and unfortunate situation for those men on board that ship
Months? 6 plus weeks 28 march date to today. Some news outlets worry about adds more than accuracy.
Glad you can give accurate perspective.
eSysman Super Yatchs, the crew of the M/V Dali are not exactly detained, they have to remain on board because of visa requirements and due to the fact that they still need to be operating the equipment on that ship, like maintaining the engine room, taking care of their cargo, meaning the now pretty unstable containers, and most importantly, they are to be ready in case any emergency situation arises during the removal of the debris and the salvage operation of the ship. the conditions on board of those large vessels are rather comfortable, I am almost certain they are well fed, and sleeping even more hours than during regular sailing conditions, they are not at this time working under normal conditions like if they were on the trip sailing back to Sri Lanka. The current FBI investigation is a step taken from the US government to make sure that the causes of that horrendous accident are cleared out one hundred per cent. My most sincere condolences fo the families of the victims. bst rgs
I think we covered everything you said in the video. Did you watch the video or are you just responding to the title?
@@YachtReport It just sounded to me like if you were saying the crew of the Dali werre suffering from still being retained on board of the ship, when the reality is different, bst rgs
Are the two port pilots who were captaining the vessel when it struck the bridge also still on board?
NO, the Pilots got OFF, did a piss test first. But my guess, and take this as my Humble opinion. I think the work load on the Baltimore shipping pilots is such, the two Pilots one being a guy going through training. There is a very high NEED for these Pilots on other vessels, especially since the small channel is open. Remember those pictures of CG small work boats putting the channel markers in for temporary channels. I just think the two Pilots are needed badly. The big one is the poor crew members are not US citizens. I read all the time in the magazine ( Professional Mariner) about how hard it is for ships crews on just a normal come to US ports. The Document that these foreign Mariners on a normal day must have in order, to just stretch their legs at a nice port bar. In Boston there is a Hotel type place just for ship crews to stay at when they have time to get off big ships. Very cheap for sailors on these cargo vessels.snd this is a hotel just for Mariners, they feed them, house them, full staff. I do not know if Baltimore has a stay in at land hotel for the Mariners. I really feel for the poor crew to be treated like this by the FBI. Can you imagine just doing your job in engineering on board her, all this blackout happened outbound. And you are just trying to remember the emergency operation. The Navy trains this day in day out. I think on these big cargo ships it is a little different
After all it is NOT a war ship. I have seen small Navy ships just going through a narrow channel with full crew Manning the two front Anchors with safety hooks OFF chains and a man standing by a big wheel for anchor brakes. This was with full control of Navy vessels. I'm just saying the military is a little more strict on standby even when no power loss has happened. Look at the amount of tugs on the sides of the Aircraft Carrier just getting underway from Navy piers. I once saw a security small boat go on board a tug just getting in position for assistance to move an aircraft Carries away from Navy dock. The security boat was looking through the Tug, this was all for making sure everything was up and up.
No. They went ashore the morning of the accident.
Having worked as a public safety employee for 45years I would suspect that it has to do with “chain of custody” if going through the phone data they find something incriminating. I’m not saying that they will but officials are covering all their bases.
Right. If they have to go to court and present evidence from the phones, they have to have the actual seized phones in court. Leaving the crewmen incommunicado isn't necessarily a goal of law enforcement, simply a matter of "we grabbed something, we're keeping it until the investigation is completely closed". A humane answer would be to clone the phones and give the crew members the cloned versions (so their photos and contacts are available to them), retaining the originals for evidence. But humanity isn't high on the list of characteristics during criminal investigations.
SYSMAN U ON IT! SEAMAN AND DOGS EXCLUDED! THANK THE Good LORD FOR SEAMAN'S CHURCH INTL. OH YEAH! ITS GOOD OLE YANKEE BS! SO What'd THINK, CHARTER A BUS TO DC, TAKE A SPIN AROUND THE MALL! THEY COULD BE 'PERSONNA NON GRATIA!' IT SUCKS BEING THEM AT THE MOMENT! THEY COULD BE HOSTAGES!? 3:43
Were they really "trapped" on board, it is their home and they didn't have the documentation to leave the ship.
Great video eSysman! Might have been a blessing them didnt let them off at Baltimore considering the murder and robbery crime!
greeting from Baltimore.i live about 5 miles from sparrows point. it sured screwed our traffic patterns though. we appreciate you keeping everyone up to date with the key Bridge incident. as well as all the other awesome super yacht news. please loan me your gt2 please. cheers mate.
It would be bloody horrifying to not know whats going on in the case of your family, friends and loved ones. My word what mental cruelty. A state of mind ranking up there with the crew that landed the 747 in the Hudson and their perceived involvement. Sheesh
I often refer to my smart phone as my electronic leash.
It is sad for them on board. But keeping them away from outside influences keeps misinformation out of the equation.
I was the Chief on a largish yacht (over 60mtr) arrested in a certain north eastern Spanish city, for 11 months; a little over a decade ago (are you getting the NDA vibe?). The crew were paid off and only the Skipper, myself and the Chef were required to remain onboard. Almost immediately the wages stopped as did operating funds, so pretty soon after that shore services were cut. We ended up back on ship’s power watch the fuel dwindle. We weren’t obliged to remain with the vessel, however the authorities made it clear that if any one of us paid off, the vessel would be considered abandoned and subject to seizure (I assume to be auctioned for outstanding port fees etc and that bill was pretty huge). Given the ownership of the vessel, none of us wanted to be responsible for the boat being seized and, perhaps, having a short, exciting, life looking over your shoulder. To be fair to the owner, he managed to find a work around for our salary and a car would appear every 3-4 months with a suitcase full of cash. But, for 11 months, I lived Red Dwarf. We worked out an internet work around by plugging in a network cable to an obliging adjacent yacht…
Wow that's a crazy story!
Bridge got in the way of the Dali on March 26th. NTSB got involved March 27th.
FBI started its investigation April 15th.
Apparently, the seizure of phones was done early in the FBI's investigation, so only from April 15th.
iPhones are not that easy to duplicate/backup/copy without the password. And the FBI is more ikely to end up taking pictures of all pages in messages and similar apps than to download the data itself. But FBI clearly not in a hurry to complere the work and return phones.
Also, the NTB has released its preliminary report today or yesterday, am just reading it now. (sorry, TH-cam punishes me if I post URLs in comments).
Ambiguous Loss.
Do they need to be quarantined? Why? They should be able to go to a coffee shop or public library and use the internet to contact family.
As always I like and trust your coverage of these situations!
One thing that has not been mentioned, as you well know to shut down one of these ships would not only take a lot of time and course the restart would be even more time! Just to maintain the ship and keep it operational and ready to be moved on short notice takes a large part of the crew!
Remember until this ship is completely relocated the channel cannot be opened!
About the phones, I agree, without a phone you may as well lock yourself in your room!
However, we've heard a lot of speculation and guesses as to what really happened, but no hard clear story.
The one large piece of information is that this ship was probably not seaworthy! So they must prevent communications so all those involved can make up, or be told what to say or not say!
I do hope they are being supplied well.
As a retired Crime Scene Investigator, I have some insight. The phones were seized as part of a criminal investigation. Yes, the phone can be copied, but we are still required to maintain all evidence for court. The original evidence will remain as seized, and the copy of the data is what will be analyzed. Nothing will be released until the Investigation is over. Releasing the original evidence could result in the "copy" being thrown out of court. Often it is just too early in an investigation to truely know what is important to the case.
Then give a copy phone to the crew members and keep the original. That way the chain of evidence wouldn't be compromised.
There is an old Naval saying, "A boat is what you get into when the Ship sinks". 😂
Right but a submarine is a boat and a yacht if often referred to as boat.
@@YachtReport Yes a sub is called a boat but for me that's because the only way you would get me and many others on a sub was if the craft I was on was sinking .
This is a major catastrophe, not a car accident. Every precaution should be taken to make sure this accident is thoroughly investigated. Many people lost their lives. Therefore, it is imperative that everything and everyone is investigated.
Yes, it needs to be investigated, but if the incident had occurred on land nobody would be held for over 50 days without being able to contact their families. It shows the double standards seafarers are subject to even in 2024.
With the possible exception of minor children, everyone on board a plane or vehicle that destroyed a major piece of critical infrastructure for reasons unknown would absolutely be held until an investigation had been done. Unfortunately, this is taking a long time because of the complexity of the circumstances and number of people involved.
We let anyone into our country, but these guys are treated like shit it seems. Another great video E.
Very good point there. Illegal aliens allowed in with no visas and get treated better than the crew on the Dali.
@@FLGurl EBT and Section 8 for life. The 'Fundamental Transformation of America."
If you walk in with no job and no plan, everything is fine but these guys with a job and a reason to be here are treated like shit. Typical US government action.
@eSysmanSuperYachts BlancoLirio just reviewed the new NTSB Preliminary Report on his channel minutes ago. He normally does aviation accident investigation but he's very good at explaining accident reports in general. Great details of the electrical system and what transpired aboard the ship with the timing of events.
Where does the negligence fall? It could be the crew that failed to operate and maintain the ship.
The FBI needed to obtain a search warrant to seize the crew's phones and I suspect that they did it in order to examine their communications. With many end to end message encryption apps, the contents can only be read on a device that either sent or received the message. And, because of how encryption keys work, data downloaded off a device is typically inaccessible. Screen shots is often the only sure method to access and preserve secure messages, and this can be labor intensive. Any phones with incriminating messages or photos will be held for evidence and never be returned to the crew.
Undoubtedly, the FBI is looking for any communications concerning maintenance/problems on the ship, and they are certain the find some, which will implicate culpable parties. Dockworkers had complained about power outages while they were loading the vessel, which caused refrigerated containers to shut down. Some of the crew are likely to face criminal prosecution and others will be witnesses against them. So they aren't going any where soon.
We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our spirits in the tradition of our ancestors. You have our gratitude.
Stunningly expensive accident. Some serious monies involved from all sorts of angles. So hardly surprising.
1980 USN VA-65 Fighting Tigers (A6 Intruder) onboard USS Dwight D Eisenhower CVN 69 - (8 months at sea) 254 days in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Iran as part of the expeditionary force... 12hrs on duty, 12 hrs off duty, 7 days a week.
"Nuff Said" !!
those are very, very different vessels than container ships...
@@matteframe Sure the bunks are smaller, quarters are more crowded, bathrooms are not private, no portholes, food is worse, no TV radio phone or internet, the pay sucks and war might breakout at any minute
Thank you for your service!
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I don’t understand why they can’t get another phone with their information on it? I can’t make it one day without my phone. Also I thought your phone information is backed up to your account which the FBI could back up everything
The company that owns the ship has already filed a claim that their financial responsibility is limited to the value of the ship. The lawsuits will be in the billions. There are rumors that the ship was experiencing mechanical and electrical difficulties while docked. It's very interesting that the ship set sail well after midnight. Why? If they had left during the day there would have been tugs working that might have stopped the bridge getting destroyed. Yes it's difficult for the crew to have to go through this. But it's vitally important that the truth is found out about what actually occured. With no input from outside sources.
It’s not interesting at all that the ship left after midnight. Sailing time is dictated by loading/unloading schedule, tides, pilot and tug availability and other traffic.
Back when I was at sea we used to hate bunkering in the USA as if there was even a small spill, regardless of who was at fault the crew and the vessel who be held until the legal and insurance issues were settled. I can’t help but think that something similar is going on here. As an ex seafarer and someone who worked in the marine industry my whole working life I feel for these guys.
Thank you for reminding me that empathy really is a superpower. Yeah, I would totally feel the same way. I have memorized my wife's phone number for reasons. It's at this point that she would like to remind me that I am not to use that if I ever find myself in need of bail. This is why I have also memorized my best friends phone number. Mostly because if I ever find myself in need of bail, my wife will too.
I find it amazing that the crew has been kept on the ship. The current administration in the USA has let MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS walk right into our country and do whatever the hell they want !!!! ABSOLUTE DISGRACE OF AN ADMINISTRATION !!!!!!
Part of the reason that the crew has not been allowed to go ashore or communicate is that there was suspicion that the ship hit the bridge deliberately. This is the reason that the FBI and Homeland Security are involved in the investigation. There were accusations of terrorist involvement in the crash. The crew will probably be kept on board until there is concrete evidence that terrorism is not involved. Also there are accusations of criminal negligence on the part of the captain and owners for shoddy maintenance of the vessel. This ship has had 3 other incidents of power loss or steering issues in the last 3 years. It is estimated that it will cost $1.2 billion and take 2 to 3 years to replace the bridge. For now traffic that used to cross the bridge has to detour over 50 miles to get from one side to the other.by limiting communication between the crew and the outside it prevents the crew and the company from fabricating a story to cover up what actually happened.
I can understand the engineering department staff being held on board but the rest of the crew, deck hands etc. should be allowed to go ashore.
Sorry to ask a stupid question but what happens if they have a medical emergency on board and also who pays for any medical issues that they have? Can they come to the US for medical care? 🙏🏽💙💜
The crew will have private medical insurance paid for by their employer.
this question is far from stupid friend, always good to ask someone who knows about these things. much love
Thanks!
Thank you kind sir. Sorry we missed your very kind payment until just now. Very much appreciated.
Its stay on the ship or a jail cell as criminal charges may be pending at this point. Plus why would the crew be taken off when they will be moving the ship soon
12:09 What am I thinking? That boat in the background looks VERY interesting! Wait, what were we talking about?
The collection of all communication devices is probably related to the litigation coming in maritime court !
I really your view on this subject, but I used to go on ships where we were expecting to be at anchor for 6 months. I never experienced that because the agent was great. We didn’t have phone’s . The longest spell on one ship was 9 months. No communication bar letters. How did we cope.
As long as we are 'conjecturing' let me add one. In a court of law evidence is generally required to be primary. Copies of what was in the phones may not be admissible for court cases whether they be civil or criminal would also make a difference. For the NTSB copies might suffice. For a possible criminal investigation and court proceedings not so much. The FBI would be building a criminal investigation as they don't do civil actions. The "chain" has to be unbroken from when they 'discover' the evidence until it is being used in a court. This would preclude them giving back the actual phone making it available to be changed or deleted by whoever and whatever. In this day and age when a billion dollars is at stake a lot of 'things' could happen to those phones favorable or unfavorable to the principals involved. Phones and their contents is a whole game of its own. What can be protected by the fifth amendment, etc. etc. What is public knowledge, what portion of media use is protected and what is not all of that will be wrangled over. If the phones have been out of custody the charge they have been tampered with may be made.
Forensic copies are admissible when properly obtained, and they can testify to their training, experience, procedures, and the evidence. The FBI has a lot of those people. But you would want the physical device for defense discovery.
I would think that these sailors would be used to not having cell coverage for most of their tine at sea, would not think there are a lot of cell towers along their ocean routes.
I am thinking also of the condition the ship is in. I would think it is considered 'Under way but not making way' as I recall the rules. At anchor falls into this category. This requires a full crew on board. In this case there is also the possibility it could shift. This would require lines and anchors to be attended in changing situations. A full crew is mandated for good reason. A myriad of things can change at a moment's notice with fire and catastrophic breach of the hull but two possibilities. It was not so very many years ago that a life of going to sea meant you were completely out of touch. The only contact being the Single Sideband marine operators who could only handle a minimum of calls making it emergency or priority use only. We had no TV, no videos, no internet, none of these. We did have some radio stations with high wattage that were obtainable when conditions were right. We had the books that the crew brought on board. No gyms or workout equipment or space to use it. A normal trip would be signing on for ninety days and of course everyone knew that circumstances could change and you were there for the duration. We survived and considered that normal. You don't just sign on for the 'good times'. It is something to consider before undertaking this line of work.
Regarding the forensic imaging of the crews phones. With modern phones that's not simple if the phone is locked and you don't have the pin. In a criminal investigation, if they are going to charge someone, they would want the physical device to provide to defense counsel during discovery so defense can do their own forensic imaging.
The FBI could also be looking for traces of malware on phones and computers if they are concerned about an industrial control system (ICS) attack against the ship.
I haven't heard anyone talk about the weather and water conditions, only the loss of power. Pardon my ignorance, but if a boat is going straight and losses power, it should continue to go straight. I don't believe Wind or Current 'turned' the Dali. Maybe you have spoke to this before, but how does something that large turn that 'quickly' without having rudder input? What was the Wind Direction and how strong? What was the Water/Current Conditions and how strong? The power goes out and a 149,000-ish Ton Boat (Titanic was 52,000-ish Tons) turns right into the exact spot to drop that bridge. How did it turn without rudder input ?........anybody ? The crew is safer on the boat. Baltimore is a sh!thole. Spent lots of time in that area about 15 yrs ago and it hasn't gotten better.
I'm not in the position of these poor people but maybe, it the life support systems of the ship are working properly (water, AC, etc....) I would prefer to stay onboard instead of being put in an administrativ detention building in perhaps poor conditions and with other dangerous people. At least I can stay in my usual environment, with my bunk, etc...
You are very right on the cell phone issue concerning not just verbal but also data including contacts made and associations.
In a way I think that the conspiracy to crash vs. the accident, the accident wins. It is an issue that was identified dockside and as anyone that has worked with machinery knows that just fixing one problem can cause the next weakist part to fail. Many corperations will fix the quick fix but not invest in a full review of systems at greater costs.
I'm sure that Mega Yaughts are much different considering the cargo difference. I wonder if the shipping ceo has a pleasure craft and just how differently the maintenance is performed. I' m very sure that his butt is much better protected than those measly employees.
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they may be investigating something untoward if that is the case then they need to keep them confined or they might never see them again we still don't know if it was an accident or not
Cell phones came in the same time the pay phones went out, to take someones cell today, the the gov has a leash on everyone.
There has to be a lot of stuff in the containers to entertain themselves with... 🤔
Don't be silly.
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They go to sea for months at a time. They have enough to do keeping the pumps going. Release the allotments to their families. Seal all comms in/out. Quarantine in effect, e-signals included. Find out deliberate intent-masked under cover of "Lost power to steering"- right. No sympathy. Should never left the dock w/ power failures. 2 Pilots and the Captain.
Your mic seems to be spotty in this video.
I feel sorry for the crew however I understand that their phones etc had to be confiscated because of security concerns. I'm glad they're doing a thorough investigation.
People seem to forget that this is NOT a security concern but a criminal investigation. The vessel left in an unsafe condition - electrical system was not working correctly BEFORE departing. That same system is believed to be the cause of the collision. With a phone and internet anyone should be able to get at least one contact’s information without their original phone. They have continually been in contact with the union rep and given outside news. You only give the phones back when you rule out the individual’s’ involvement - until then they are possible evidence.
Possible there is some evidence on the phones which may be necessary for a court. Standard investigation procedure requires possible evince being safeguarded.
I thought they had access to wifi. If so, then there are other means of comms. For real-time comms, there's WhatsApp and Facetime. For offline comms, there's email.
"The FBI has opened a criminal investigation into the cargo ship that slammed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge and caused it to collapse in Baltimore last month, according to two senior law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation." April 15th NBC Article
Your concern for the wellbeing of the crew is nice, but there are ongoing investigations. And the preliminary report suggests that forseeable risks were negligently handled at the very least.
We don't know all the details of what the investigators have found. We don't know what we don't know.
How about another explanation as to why the ship made that hard turn right into the bridge?
What hard turn? It drifted slowly following the direction of the currents.
Yes amen! A second priority! Let me tell you from the standpoint of a baltimorean. That ships crew failed! In so many ways. Where were the tugboats. Oh! They called them off. Those crew members do not have visas. Sorry for them. The owner of that ship should be making Provisions for them. I don't feel the least bit sorry for the crew who failed to control their ship and ran into such an iconic Bridge!
FYI the pilot called off the tugs and the pilot is a local. Also it was standard operating procedure to disengage the tugs at this point.
That had nothing to do with the crew.
I think the "Baltimore" authorities are being cruel to the crew and it still bothers me that the containers have items inside.
So, people can cross the southern border without question, yet a crew of working people can't go ashore because of VISAs. Once again, this country needs a new management team.
Amen to that
You know that's not true. It's not legal to cross the border without a visa or for asylum. The folks on the ship are free to swim to shore illegally just like folks cross the Rio Grande illegally.
The crew will all likely have seamen’s visas possibly a B1/B2 or C1 or D1 from memory.
New management team? How about one just not bent on the destruction of the country.
Lol, did you miss the part where the Democrats tried to pass bipartisan bill to better close the southern border and Trump made the Republicans reject it? You're all being played like a fiddle.
At least they're on the ship rather instead of in the water.
Yes, they should be allowed to go ashore when they eventually arive back at India and Sri lanka
Not sure it's that easy concerning the phones. I was involved in an investigation. The phones were held as evidence for the better part of 5ish years (maybe longer,). From what I understand, the investigators had to file a warrant with the phone company to access records, which the opposing lawyers would delay and hinder. Obtaining the warrants, filing it, dealing with the phone company bureaucracy etc. That can take a long time. And I imagine that dealing with international companies is even worse. Not to mention alot of phones. I am not an official of any sort, just relating my own experience and what the lawyers told me. By the time the phones were returned they were multiple generations old.
And how the crew is being looked at by the government, no idea. Are they responsible for the accident? If they think they might be, then saying they are detained might be right. Time will tell.
The crew is just fine. They will be busy performing maintenance items, and whatnot.
Detained aboard, maybe. "Trapped" sounds like illegal activity to me.
I doubt, hope, none of the crew had anything to do with this tragedy, but thoroughly dissecting all the info contained on the phones would be imperative as this is likely the main source of info should there be some misconduct aboard the ship. But, why is it taking so long to probe the phones, and return them to the owners? This is making me think they found something?
Where is the crew interview
Confiscate their passports before any shore leave is granted.
Does the ship have power for everyday needs?
Why are they “trapped” I worked on LNG carriers and didn’t go ashore for 3/4 Months and the crew are onboard for 9 months at a time anyway they will still get provisions and water so what’s the deal at least they don’t have to do cargo operations or much maintenance
Maybe watch the video
It is sad that the authorities have no consideration for the mariners. This is the cruel arrogance of bureaucrats who treat the sailors as a lower class of human. Release the phones, even if you make copies of the data. Grant shore leave.
I feel sorry for them but they are safer onboard than they would be in crime-ravaged Baltimore. Still they should be allowed to get their own phones back, it's cruel not to.
I'd be pissed about being locked on the ship. They should at least be returned their phones and have their company fly them home or to another commission.
Trapped on board - just like being on passage
The ship isn't level. So that must create some issues?
From what I've read, weight of the bridge structure on the ship plus you can see better since it was partly blown off is the four lane highway deck still on the ship. A lot of weight still pushing her bow down.
I don't want to sound negative but one word wasn't said about the six people who lost their lives on that bridge if the crew of that ship new it had mechanical issues and did nothing about it then I think the investigation will ultimately find out who's at fault or who was responsible, I do think that there should be some sort of communication allowed for the crew of the ship with their families but the truth is it's a criminal investigation right now that's what I understand. I may be wrong just saying. 😢😢
Also today was another bridge accident in Texas with a barge 🙏🏽
Also do they have their passport with them? Why can’t they just be able to get a visa to come to the USA??
The minute I heard of their detainment I was shocked and outraged. Serious legal issues. Law suits incoming.
Tough to not be a citizen with rights…
The crew is stuck between all kinds of regulations, company, country and ocean…
Who are they going to sue, with what money?
It looks like they are stuck doing their jobs until the ship is out of danger…. And doesn’t produce any further danger to navigation…
It looks like an extended number of weeks working for the ship…
Hope they get paid overtime…
It’s a tradition to have signed contracts… that probably cover what happens when the ship stops working as expected…
They are fortunate to not have lost any crew… there were two people at the bow trying to set an anchor where the bridge was about to be falling…
Anchor was dropped, but couldn’t get set…
😃
What law firm wants to take on this nebulous responsibility?
Has anyone seen the contract that was signed?
what m/y is that behind your filming location in the first part of the video. i cant see it close up but it looks to have the vertical bow style which I'm not a fan. shame if it had a traditional bow that would be so much more attractive. its a nice looking vessel maybe 50 meters maybe close to 55 but handsome for sure.
They were never on board...
idiots just pop out of nowhere under All circumstances. Get a life.
I support kindness when in doubt.. This seems a situation of maybe stupidity on the crew or shipline... but malice? terrorism? I don't see it.. it seems cruel to keep these people locked in, and to take their devices and restrict the data.. I am glad FBI and others are being tight, but these people seem at worst to made a bad mistake (but what are the odds the ship owners cheaped out?? eh) ,, we all screw up, and I would be worried about depression and suicide of those people... as a American I sure want to see some kindness to them.. and innocent till proven guilty is America...
where is the petition we need to help them????
What about the power?… The ship floundered because of a power failure (at least that is what I heard) … with an investigation like this there is no way they would be allowed to work on those systems so the investigating authorities could determine the cause.
Refrigeration, HVAC, water, sewage??? Are those all working? Are there working generators???
I would be most concerned for the crew!
Maybe they were at fault…. Maybe Not! Won’t know until after the investigation is complete.
But they should be treated with humanity.
There's four main generators and one backup. The backup can only run the 440 volt stuff like HVAC, fridges/freezers, cooktops, etc. The four main ones run all the 6,600 volt stuff like the supports systems like the main engine cooling, oil, fuel pumps, etc. NTSB release a prelim report this week with those details and the sequence of events that led to the bridge collapse. But nothing about root cause yet.
they would be under sail, doing a hell of a lot more work. such is the life of the mariner. at least one of them caused this incident through incompetence.
😂😂 They can't let the crew off the boat but the Southern boarder is wide open! What a Joke! Who is collecting the tax payer $ out of this BS?