Tell me one big media corporation which has not been corrupt to big companies and being exposed to the infuence of money, reach and third party interests!
@@johnair1 Go to your job tell them you are not doing any of those bad practices anymore. Every job has them. Do not blame the reporters blame those who pay their salary and dictate the news.
@@johnair1 I watched channel 7 here in America world news and they probably spend one minute what they talk of happeningsin world news they mention it and what’s happening and that’s it.
@@LiveFromLondon2I assume you work for ISG. If you don't, maybe you should contact them and tell them you won't continue to spread their propaganda until they start paying you. Just a bit of business advice from a friend ;)
Great repor as always. Herbert von Karajan is one of the greatest conductors ever, not just in German speaking area. Additionally being a keen sailor he was a well qualified and jet rated pilot owning and flying a Falcon 10.
@@joannesakellarides8419 Karajan's ancestors (father, grandfather and great-grandfather) were all born in Austria, as was the man himself. (source: Grove)
@@andreashoegl5381 Agreed! I have all of Beethoven’s 9 symphonies played by the BPO and conducted by HVK, amongst other great pieces by him. None better.
WONDERFUL!! If you need help with Italian translation or comment Let me know. Im half english half italian fluent of course an experienced sailor and US captain retired. Be glad to help. Vasco Bonini
@@paolozampieri2691millions ? Cost hardly anything and only take a few hours. It’s just off the coast sitting intact in shallow water…any salvage team could do this blindfolded in a day.
@@simonmountford4291 yeah sure... Nick Sloane, the salvage master that directed the Costa Concordia refloating, was interviewed by the Telegraph and estimated that resurfacing the Bayesian would likely take 6 to 8 weeks and cost around 15 million dollars. You can google the article - pasting in the link gets my comment removed - that details the amount of work and personnel involved.
Great reporting and best source of information for the story. You mentioned the PMS systems which stands for planned maintenance systems which do not monitor the ship's systems instead they are used for maintenance record keeping. What you refer to is the AMCS which stands for alarm, monitoring and control system which might be connected to the PMS but in most cases they are not, especially on a vessel of this size. Moreover, since Bayesian was below 500GT, it was not even required to have a PMS according to the ISM code. I apologize for being nitpicky and realize this is all very technical but owning a company that specialize in PMS consultancy and implementation I wanted to point this out. If you are going to be at the MYS, I will be glad to meet.
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In case no one else gets this trivial, Karajan is one of the best 5 orchestral conductors in history, not just in "German speaking countries". No biggie, just a recommendation in case you want to listen to the best brass section every assembled along with flawless, interesting interpretations.
Hi, I believe that down flooding is prevented on all ventilation ducting that can be submerged in normal operation because, although the hull has external louver vents, behind those louver vents are snorkel (non return) valves that close when submerged. These valves will, in fact be upright at the down flooding angle ie 45deg
If 'Bayesian' heeled far enough for water to enter the air vents, it would have been very close to deck-edge immersion, whereby there was a very serious risk of very large amounts of water entering the main deck, which was about 3 feet below deck level.
@@hb1338The lower level deck area was inverted when she sank. It wasn’t collecting water. The AC fresh air intakes were however below water (and needed to be closed by manual operation from the bridge (which was unmanned due to the crew being thrown overboard) and the switches were on the high side of the bridge anyway…
Actually the testimony of captain matches the CCTV footage. Please download full footage and you will actually be able to see top mast light and a tilt of 45 degrees. And then it storm becomes too strong to see how it went down, or if lights went down first before it tilted. Overall the story line at least in public domain does not paint a picture of reckless crew, rather a shipbuilder who is a bubble. The red flag already was when on live TV CEO of shipbuilder company repeatedly mentioned that boat is "unsinkable", even when we all know boat was on the seabed.
@@wyldhowl2821 If you genuinely believe this then you have genuinely no idea as to how the clouds actually work and how they are operated, lol. While surveillance is obviously pervasive, the clouds are not secure from an information security perspective.
regardless of any criminal charges or such it's very useful to do a full reconstruction of the events to see if accidents like this can be avoided in the future.
We’d reckon the top man at Pirini Navi continues to bang on with ‘unsinkable’, because he sees the problem straightaway. His company’s liability. The hull/design was never meant to have a mast of that height and weight (the leverage is massive) nor meant to accommodate 30T of additional ballast. Hence, a hull that sits 10cm lower than her sister yachts with a shell door that sits on the waterline. This single mast modification had documented teething issues which needed to be sorted, well after construction, once it was launched. Oddly, Bayesian has a DWT of 97T, whilst sister yachts Caoz14 and Melek have DWT of 88T and 86T, respectively. Anyone who has any experience at sea knows that in severe weather, fractional differences can mean the difference between life and death. In this instance, those fractional differences would seem to be a ridiculously tall, extremely heavy mast (can’t even sail the Panama Canal) and a keel with 30T of extra ballast, but retracted at the time of the incident. If Perini had indicated that due to the height and weight of the mast, the keel needed to be down at all times, would these 7 souls still be with us? Was a billionaire indulged with the ‘super mast’ to his own peril? BTW, thanks for the excellent reporting, top notch channel, imho.
@@keithposter5543 They didn’t change the center board design for the Bayesian. It’s exactly the same as its sister ships because it has to fit in a dimensionally identical slot in the hull and be actuated by an identical hydraulic system. The only way you could make it heavier would be switching from lead ballast to uranium (and that would require a bigger actuator). The other reason for it being retracted - the center boards on the Pirini Navi yacht’s are notoriously loud when extended because of a poorly designed pivot bearing system that rapidly develops slop and the center board swings like a pendulum when at anchor as a result…
@dustinandtarynwolfe5540 I'm an emulsification of OCD and humour. Performing nightly in the Neptune Lounge on Deck 11...... I can comp a ticket. One drink minimum tho... Lol
When coming into any port at any time in any weather conditions, the main engine and thrusters should be running. Any Captain worth his salt would know that. They are not in the business of impressing people.
@@marviwilson1853 This WAS a racing yacht. It was recently driven aground by weather. It had no engine. Thrusters tend to be electric and have duty cycle limitations. They are only needed for final maneuvering at low speed.
As a microburst weather event approaches, the 1st winds it produces will be outwards, horizontally, which would explain the 45 degree tilt, without actually knocking the boat completely down. The keel and righting forces could still overcome even very strong horizontal winds. However, as the core of the microburst moves over the boat, the winds (and lots of rain), would rapidly shift to vertical, coming straight down. With the yacht already titled 45 degrees, then slammed with a strong down force, that huge mast would be pushed down onto the water, and yes, would create a large catapult.
There was no keel. It was retracted at the time of the event, because it couldn't be down without "knocking" so loudly as to disturb the sleep of those on board.
In the world of tankers where a 15 to 20' freeboard is the norm vents are normally fitted with check valves or physical barriers on vents and intakes to prevent downflooding. If the two vents shown were needed for either the SSDGs or the HVAC system, a danger of downflooding when under sail would exist.
Many have said the HVAC system would flood if it couldn't purge the condensation ? I have no clue but these are people in the know .but there is no way anyone could brew up a freak spout or squall no matter how much money they have .an that is exactly what caused this . 😢😢 My prayers sent 🙏 so very sad so very bizarre 😭😭 freak act of nature .I've lost electricity to lightening in storms so I don't think we will ever know exactly what happened but it's heartbreaking 💔
@@robertlevine2152haarp stands for something like "High frequency Auroral Advanced Research Programme". NASA type shizzle (although I can't remember if it is actually a NASA programme). I suspect our mutual friend wobbled their tin foil hat a bit, and that comment slipped out from underneath ;)
I believe from other info I’ve seen that the vents you have circled were deck drains, not vents for the interior. The AC, engine room and other interior vents were located on the superstructure, not the hull. Those circled vents would be under water every time the boat sailed to windward. A 40 degree downflooding angle is still crazy, but it wasn’t those vents.
I agree and also doubt any vent would allow sufficient water in unless it was submerged for an extended period of time. The steps lead downward into the main living area would be more of a concern but I don’t know at what angle these would take on water. As it seems from this report the boat didn’t right itself I still question its stability with the keel raised.
I read downfloading angle 45 degrees. Downflooding angle is defined as any opening that cannot be closed with a watertight door or similar. Theoretically, side vents are included in the downflooding angle but they are normally not the cause of downflooding because they would normally be designed to not allow prolonged downfloodlng. Normally... No idea with this yacht. The design looks really dangerous to me, those stairs at deck level leading straight down into the "lower cockpit area" aft and then straight into the main saloon deck via glass doors that are known to slide open if the yacht heels over more than normal are a death trap in my eyes.
@@michaelgothenburg364the captain of the Bayesian from 2015-2020 has given the following information regarding the downflooding angle of the Bayesian: "... The Downflooding Angle is much more important though in the scenario we are talking about. This is the angle of heel at which water will start to enter the vessel (usually through engine room or accommodation ventilation ducts)… once this starts the vessels is in serious trouble as stability is quickly reduced or lost due to the flooding. The downflooding angle for Bayesian was around 40-45 degrees… much less than the AVS. So, unless the vent dampers are closed (which with HVAC systems and generator running they would NOT be as they need to be open for that), the vessel will start to flood rapidly if heeled more than the downflooding angle. ..." As he captained this very same vessel for a period of 5 years I do believe that he knows what he is talking about.
@@michaelgothenburg364and the next thing is, provided the information of the engineer when questioned is correct: He is supposed to have said that he started the generator needed for the steering and he started the engine. You obviously can't operate a vessel without steering, and the steering of the Bayesian couldn't operate unless the generator for the steering was running. I assume that this generator didn't have it's own compartment but was installed in the engine room. If this is the case, regardless if he started the engine or not, the vent for the engine room had to be open.
The Bayesian didn't have any structure at the toe-rail to prevent water from running straight off the deck, which means there was no need to install deck drains. As tragic as it turned out, these were in fact the ventilation shafts and not deck drains. While it was common practice for centuries to install ventilation as close to the centerline as possible and above deck-level, I haven't got a clue why they dared to install them at the outside of the hull below deck level. There were ceilings everywhere inside the vessel to hide ventilation shafts from view, these could have been led to anywhere high up and close to the centerline. Installing them on the outside of the hull is the worst possible place one can imagine. The reason to do this? I'm sorry but I'm lost. It's more than a week that I'm breaking my head to find an explanation. That is, well, unless one has lost contact with the real world and the temperament of nature and is convinced a vessel of this size and tonnage cannot possibly be subject to adverse weather conditions? Humankind has learned a great deal about how to build seaworthy ships during the last centuries. While technology has advanced at an ever increasing pace, modern technology can't replace the necessity to start with a seaworthy vessel. There was this outcry all over the news in the beginning and the CEO of the manufacturing group picked it up too: how is it possible that an ancient vessel built in 1957 has weathered the conditions without getting harmed while the technologically far superior Bayesian didn't. Take your pick, but the Sir Robert Baden Powell did have her vents where they belong and she was built to proper standards at a time when the seaworthiness of a vessel was most important over anything else.
@@LiveFromLondon2Good evening LiesFromLondon2 is "be quiet bot" all you have left in your armoury now? ISG not paying/training you well enough? Keep talking, bot/simp/shill, your self-owns are becoming quite entertaining
Lynch's clients included MI5, NSA and Israeli Secret Service. He also had encrypted hard drives in a safe on the vessel. Well, I guess that explains the instability of the yacht?
@@flowsnake8732 I think they're referring to Maxwell selling software to the soviets union which then spied on the soviets and turned out he might've been a double or even triple agent. But he kind of went missing oddly from his yacht Lady Ghislaine but his corpse was quickly found, then Israel gave him a massive funeral. Also he kept secret tapes of what some employees were doing because he was paranoid. Probably because he spent their pension fund... no worries the gov't "donated" about half of the pension back to the employees. Anyways I'm sure even more of his intriguing history has been dredged up in the decades since.
Austrian Herbert von Karajan was and will forever be one of the most famous and influential conductors in music history. He was heavily involved in the development of the Compact Disc, an avid sailor and pilot. May he rest in peace.
I saw on another channel that covered the Baysean, it explained that there are steps that go down from the side deck into a saloon area, these looked to be quite well aft and looked extremely vulnerable to flooding at the critical 45degs. They explained that this could cause a torrent of water down into the saloon area and as the accommodation is down another set of stairs, this would immediately start flooding the lower areas. Thought it might be an interesting area to investigate
It showed up in some of the pictures on this Yacht report as well. That staircase is precarious, if the door there was open it could flood very quickly.
I also asked for clarification on the stability calculations as the information given seemed not to take into account the bulk surface effect of the Saloon in a flooding condition. I question the stated ability of the vessel to recover from > 45 with the saloon flooded with many tonnes of water. I doubt if she was able to pump more than 1500 ltr a minute. This is a very flawed design.
Yeah right, hahahahha. You ever tried to scuba down to 50m to enter a vessel that you have no idea about, find the right cabin, find where the safe is. Do you have the combination to the safe? No. Oh, bugger, where are your carpentry tools. Cut the safe out. Drag it to a place where you could use a parachute bag & lift it to the surface! Do you know how much gas that would require? Do you know how long that would take? Do you know the decompression that would entail? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Sound like Trance has their head in the Cloud, 5101 metres in the air.
There is video of the yacht going on its side to the point the mast tip hit the water (from one of the other yacht’s in the area rather than the common shore side surveillance video).
Surely the hull intake vents would be designed with ducts that would prevent water ingress when heeled? It’s very standard using goosenecks or by running the ducting across to the opposite side before running below to services. Wouldn’t it be a certification requirement?
@@MinSredMash The regulations on this should be revised if this was the cause of the sinking. A simple floating ball within an inverted-u bend could automatically close these in case of emergency. Any sloop should be able to survive a 90’ knockdown…
@@juliogeorgiou I don't disagree, but this was more of a ship than a sloop. In this size range it is difficult to achieve 90 degrees of positive stability without excessive draft. Basically no vessels this large have been self righting, historically.
Just from looking at the design of the side decks and those stairway cutouts, it would appear that if the boat heeled to or past 45 degrees that a huge amount of water would easily flood down those steps that lead to that covered outdoor lounge area. This would flood the area with the sliding doors that are known to be problematic and open on their own when heeling. To me, this seems like it would be a larger contributor to water ingress than the relatively small engine & HVAC vents on the sides.
As I understand it, crew would lock the sliding door in place so that its weight would not force it open as another commenter mentioned. That seems like a case of a design flaw that was being managed in a way that could create other problems.
This thing sure does seem a lot more "superyacht" than "sailing yacht". Except, with the rounded hull and large mast of a sailing vessel. Doesn't seem like the safest choice in general.
HMS Victory was only 2 or 3 feet longer. HMS Victory had 3 masts. Even Baysian's sister hulls are multimasted. Will that fact, and its implications, dawn on the Italian authorities investigating an Italian built boat designed by an Italian company? They have form in saving face.
@@jaxdragon1723Absolutely wrong and kind of RIDICULOUS "comparison"... the effects at almost ANY altitude on a jetliner, are COMPLETELY different to the effect on a boat floating on the water surface... The direction of the airstream in both cases, is TOTALLY different for the exact same wind phenomena (the Microburst)...
@@alfredomarquez9777Actually no. A microburst can bring down an airliner by producing a wind blast faster than the airspeed of the aircraft causing an instant aerodynamic stall. The plane drops out of the sky as a result.
A way to auto shut the down flooding weak spots seems utterly essential as a follow up change. The fact that this mast was so very huge and heavy - even comically so - is likely going to be a factor. This mast was an after market change to the yacht - there’s even TH-cam videos about it, it was considered to be a really big deal when it was done years ago…
Hello ! "Von Karajan's legendary 'Helisara' stuck in Ses Illetes for a month From the general management of Coasts et Litoral, they assure us that they are working to locate the owner and force him to remove the boat." 🤷
Interesting up date would appear despite crews best efforts we have this calamity happening ... It would seem that a system should be developed to automatically close Vents to prevent Down Flooding and have alternative venting that allows systems to keep working ... I wonder whether or not there was emergency lighting that did not turn on once generators failed to allow for people to attemp to exit the craft ... Rather was it the catistrophic flooding prevented this action Ie water behind doors preventing them from being opened ... ???
Not sure why you would highlight and focus on the air vents as the downflooding source when by simple observation the rail is merely centimeters above it. If she heeled 45 degrees and that allowed the sea over the rail, all that water coming over the aft quarters would go down the stairs there, into the sunken saloon and then down into the accomodation level, no? If that happened, surely that is a fatal design flaw for a sailing vessel?
I guess you are saying that sailing vessels all SHOULD share common principles of seaworthiness. First rule: Keep the sea out of your boat. By design and practice. This design seems to fall well short of prudent seaworthiness , in a major way, with respect to down flooding angle of heel. I found the interview with the owner of Kraken Yachts who outlines this very well. Kudos to him.
Depends what you mean by “tiny” sailboats, as if that had anything to do with seaworthiness. I wouldn’t have thought 44foot to 66 foot bluewater cruisers could be considered “tiny”. How big is your super yacht?
IMHO the position of these air intakes is ridiculous. On the classic schooner I sailed on for a bit (Te Vega) we had huge air intakes at least 1,5 m tall on the deck, near the middle line of the ship. (At least in my recollection... ;-) On the Bayesian form is considered more important than function, "ugly" air intakes are brushed into little corners, together with high tech closing mechanisms that always work _in theory_ , and we just saw the final, sad, price they had to pay for that.
I still can't get over that billions in wealth buys you a nice looking yacht (supposedly) that also isn't very seaworthy (or at the least, that was designed without safety and seaworthiness being the top priority). Like how on earth do aesthetics trump safety on a damn boat?
how did a ship for which form is more important than function end up so ugly? the general shape of this ship is extremely unambitious, outdated, yet the details are reckless?
Good evening, thank you for your insight. Do you mean to say that it is already known as a fact that 1) two personal hard drives with confidential information were locked in a safe aboard the Bayesian and will now be recovered; 2) those two personal hard drives to be recovered contain information on Mr. Lynch's connection with MI 5, the Israeli secret service, etc... ? 3) is it even possible in this day and age that an individual possessing such top secret information would take the "carriers" of this information on board a cruise yacht as opposed to securing these "carriers" in a very, very... safe place ? Thank you for your potential reply.
This channel is making mountains out of molehills. Anything to increase his subscribers. Enough. It's ghoulish to be constantly building your channel on the back of a tragedy.
@@wendyfaith9197 I’m guessing you still believe that you will bite your way out of the world they are creating around us? You’ve got to be pretty dim to believe that it’s just a coincidence that his co-defendant died the same day.
Thanks Mozzy! Great technical insights. Two concepts: 1. What will you do now?!🤪 Lots, of course. We look forward to your final analysis. And continued exploits with your boat. Maybe widen that? 2. Please do a piece on you and the two lads that joined you for a beer/wine in your vids. It appears that you all have some excellent technical background: engineering? Those have been quite interesting. 3. (I know, I can count). I’m looking for something fast with a foil, single handed , for a heavier person. I am 250 pounds of pure 99% muscle and beer. Can you do a design review of boats for the bigger dudes and dudettes?
If they had found a trapped air pocket just before sinking and stayed there to the bottom, the pocket would have been compressed by the four or five atmospheres of depth, increasing the partial pressure of the carbon dioxide in the air. With Oxygen being used up and more carbon dioxide at high partial pressure being released constantly the hypercapnia would set in very fast.
It was “connected to external forces” there was water in the vessel, that airpocket would have been larger at the surface than it was at 50m. If the vessel was deeper it would have been smaller airpocket as the pressure from the water forces further compression of the airpocket
Those vents and intakes are there below the scupper area just to make the boat prettier outside and more spacious looking inside. In otherwords for vanity like the mast as well. Old fashioned boats had these as high as possible. Perini Navi know this and must be quaking in their boots.
Perini Navi’s chairman “unsinkable” remark really got me. No real sailor would be so bold as to challenge the sea but a vain man would. I’ve got a suspicion those words will come back to haunt him.
@@latristessdurera8763 hmmm, as far as I understood Perini Navi was bought at a later time then when the Bayesian was built and the manufacturing group can't be made responsible. In this context I keep being a little bit surprised about the effort this CEO is making to "prove" the ship is without blame.
@@dodystiller3718 Bayesian was launched in 2008 as Salute but owner had to sell before he could take delivery after a paralyzing accident, then bought by Lynch and renamed. 2021 Perini was in bankruptcy and Italian Sea Group bought the brand. So, Costanza had nothing to do with build or design of Bayesian. He is trying to protect his company's investment in the brand they bought. Forgive me if my dates are not exact.
@@sailorlac no worries it doesn't matter at all about exact dates for the takeover of the company. But you mentioned something very interesting: that the person who ordered the ship built couldn't take delivery of her because of an accident and sold her. I do know she was sailing as "Salute" before. I do know she was bought in 2014 by Mike Lynch (well, the company his wife owns as I understood) and re-named Bayesian. I've never followed any of this, but there must have been an owner between launching in 2008 and selling in 2014 who has sailed with her. Or was she tucked up from 2008-2014? Wouldn't make sense as I've seen photos (don't ask me where coz I'd be lost to say where I've seen them) with her under way and the name "Salute" on the stern.
@@lindafarnes486 Stephen Chamberlain was not killed in a random car accident. He was run down whilst jogging, on a road in Cambridgeshire, where he lived. Chamberlain was Chief Financial Officer of Autonomy, the company which Mike Lynch created and sold to Hewlett Packard for $11 Billion. Chamberlain prepared the company accounts which were used to persuade Hewlett Packard to pay $11 Billion. Hewlett Packard spent 13 years dragging Lynch and Chamberlain through the courts, including extraditing them from the UK to the USA, to face criminal charges. Of which they both were acquitted. Why would anyone wish them any harm???
My guess is The down flooding angle of assumably 45 degrees would also involve water flooding over the deck and down any openings in this case the stairwell recess into the lower cockpit. If the sliding saloon/ cockpit doors were open, you would imagine the water would flood down below. If the water tight doors were not closed throughout the yacht, it might be the case she could sink if held over the 45 degrees. The more water the yacht takes on, the more tender she becomes and more likely to tilt over more. If the wind down blast held her over long enough over 45 degrees not allowing her to right herself, then I imagine she would progressively sink.
There is nothing else to add. Down flood angle of 45 degrees. The yacht got knocked down flat from the downdraft . Nothing else is need to explain what happened
The vessel cannot downflood through the central stairwell until a heel angle of over 70 degrees. This has been established by naval architects modelling the hull. The sunken saloon could flood, but the water would remain there, not flowing below.
@@hugohabicht9957 The range of stability is greater than 70 degrees, but not by much. At 45 degrees the downflooding is through technical vents, not passenger egress routes.
Incredibly interesting especially as things are escalating in the Middle East as we saw yesterday. It is incredibly unfortunate that when you move in those circles "things happen" . One of my Snr Lecturers was an "expert witness" and worked on confidential high level military intelligence - nothing surprises me
This is a sad story but it seems that those air vents could have been mechanically closed off at say 40 degrees tilt on the heeling side whilst leaving the other side open. Of course none of that would have been any help if the main well doors were open when she heeled over. Keep up the good reporting.
The images of a "new" cctv video appear to show exactly what the Captain said. We start from a situation of no wind (min 0.00). The wind progressively increases in intensity. At minute 1.17 the inclination of the mast seems compatible with a wind with gusts of 20/30 knots. Then at minute 1.17 the ship seems to suddenly tilt, probably remains around 45 degrees for a few seconds and finally seems to tilt further until it reaches 70/80 degrees (minute 1.33) taking perspective into account. 16 seconds pass from minute 1.17 to minute 1.33. It is therefore likely that the complete 90 degree capsize occurred in about 20 seconds. So, everything - from when the wind starts to pick up to when the ship capsizes - would appear to happen in about *1 minute and 30/40 seconds,* with capsizing occurring in the last *20 seconds* or so. This is what the images seem to show. I made a reconstruction by examining the frames of the cctv video that you can find here on Yt. I invite you to watch it and give me your opinion. (Unfortunately I can't put the link to the videos as the post would be deleted by YT. But you can easily guess where to find them. 🙂)
@foghornleghorn8536 If I type the video title YT would immediately delete my post. YT's AI is very intelligent!! If I tell you I got a "new" video and the video is somewhere here on YT, where would you go to look for it? It's not difficult!🙂 To be honest the video is not "new", but it seems almost none has watched it yet!
It’s also quite interesting that a yacht that had a 45° down flooding maximum did not have vents that automatically closed if they were subject to any significant water intrusion, I understand that you don’t want that water alarm or automatic closing so sensitive that the engine vents shut off when you’re in a rough see But certainly something can be devised perhaps something like a flood box where it can take a certain amount of water from spray and not automatically shut off the vent . The only ones I would consider critical are the engine room vents, but again this certainly can be addressed by proper engineering. . Automatically shutting off fence for the AC and the galley might inconvenience people but being dead also inconveniences people..
365 degree coverage just means that the camera can rotate just slightly more that one revolution. This arrangement is used in tracking sensors turrets where if the end stop is reached the turret slews 360 degrees the other way to reacquire the target.
Thank you for this important update. The rat that I smelled from the first report that you provided on the main story keeps increasing in size as this goes along. Again, thank you.
@5:10 can see at that slight angle ( looks like about 10 degrees) the Ocean is 1 inch from Flooding the whole Vessel! I said it day 1, Crap/unsafe Design!!
Curious, what was the barometric reading when the crew member on watch noted 20 knots of wind. Surely this yacht had weather radar as well. Curious and curiouser...
Ground tackle is what likely sunk her. The water level around the boat would have been lowered from the air pushing down on it. At the same time she would have been pushed to the anchor lines' max stretching point, which would've caused her to come back very forcefully and flip over throwing the crew on top overboard in the process.
This is needlessly complicated and improbable speculation. The ship capsized because she was unstable. Period. A wind force capable of heeling her to 45 degrees only needed to increase in strength by a few percentage points in order to knock the vessel down completely.
@@MinSredMash Why didn't she turn with the wind? Anchor tackle is the only thing that could have hindered the boats ability to move, it was hit from the side not the front. Someone didn't adjust the tackle correctly, or at all, while she was drifting as the captain slept. It's not that complicated when you have competence.
@@jasonconrad5772 Allegations of incompetence are totally unfounded and prejudicial, a sign of intellectual dishonesty. The answer here is perfectly obvious and simple. The ship was dragging anchor. In extreme wind events, a ship WILL drag her anchor. It is only a question of how fast and how far. When a ship is dragging anchor, it very often affects a beam-on angle to the wind. The only want to prevent this is to start running the engine, which would require opening vents that could then downflood...
The Helisara was emptied and left stranded on the rocks in front of a restaurant called Es Molí de Sal, in Formentera. The crew only left the sails, lines and rigging. Someone told me it was a money and insurance issue. I have photos of the stranded ship lying 2 meters away. A real shame.
Carbon dioxide build up in the lungs can be a symptom of hyperventilation, a panic attack. I know they were oxygen challenged, so tragically, a slow build up of carbon dioxide, and how terrible that must have been ....acute, panicky hyperventilation can cause the muscles in the body to severely contract , and smaller facial muscles such as round the mouth. The significant blood change in the body means you cannot reverse this quickly. In terrestrial circumstances, it can take up to 6 hours. Worst remedy is to slap on an oxygen mask which some ambulance crew just don't know. Because the extra load of oxygen is going to make the symptoms worse, can include rapid heartbeat with risk of cardiac arrest.
In a closed room you will always die from too much CO2 - not from a lack of oxygen! 12% oxygen is still enough to survive, but 8% CO2 is fatal in a short time.
@@Ole-vu9yj This is what happens to people who die in avalanches which is why they have breathing devices that exhausts your breath out of your backpack. Its called the Avalung.
You highlighted the stern vents but there appears to be some mid-ships too, by the stairs down to the saloon roughly. Are these actual vents or just styling? If vents then these add to the downflooding volume, if they weren't closed, surely.
Why on earth would you take two sensitive client hard drives with you on a social sailing trip, rather than leave them locked securely in your safe(s) in your homes or offices onshore? It’s the last thing on earth I’d be taking to sea with me.
He had just been found not guilty in a criminal trial, but had been found liable in a civil trial, with the claimant (HP) still claiming US$4 billion. In such a situation, you and I might not want to leave your hard drives at home or in the office.
I think there's a lot more to this event. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like. Codefendants death by accident only weeks earlier should be of concern. Energy directional weapon being used?
From a background of learning about aviation diasters while to is still too soon to say that the crew is blameless, it is transparently clear that the ship's down flooding angle of ~45° was insufficient. Also, as someone newer to domain of aquatic vessels, if the down flooding angle is less than the righting angle, dies the righting angle even matter? I understand in the case of Baysean closing vents would increase the down flooding angle, however, the crew would've only had so much time to do so, while from an aviation background the fact that they don't close automatically or at least issue a warning to the crew to close the vents ASAP, as this feels like a boats equivalent to an aircraft no the verge of a stall at extremely low altitude, which is to say things are on the verge of going horrifically wrong & if they do go wrong the situation becomes practically irrecoverable & it becomes a situation of trying to minimize the fatalities & damage as best able
I’ve thought on a yacht that of calibre those events would let air out but block water from coming in like a one-way valve, would make sense to me to have one wave valve type fence especially if there was a risk of flooding but the bozos who built the boat said it wasn’t sinkable
Yeah. There was nothing the crew could really do that night. No one knew that a storm of that magnitude would strike. The vents were only a minor contributor to the flooding. The main source of the flooding was the big lower central stairwell that had seawater flooding into it due to the angle of the vessel. The Yacht was designed to be a floating hotel with a character of space and ambiance, not as a kind of naval destroyer with the ability for creating total water tightness with many small compartments and to completely isolate each compartment in case of fire or flooding. At best her design would be a compromise of the two and thus compromised in any extreme case. Which is what happened. The crew aren't to blame. The design isn't totally at fault either. It's not a naval ship, its a luxury yacht..... But one thing she isn't. Is unsinkable.
do people who have never seen the sea design these ships ? I live near the ocean and would never be nonchalant anywhere near it , although many a tourist has been swept away marvelling at it up close and personal .
Irrespective of the weather conditions, a vessel like Bayesian is unsinkable if all openings are closed and the integrity of the hull is not compromised. The crew of the nearby Sir Robert Baden Powell knew that a storm was approaching and they took action to close the vessel down, start the main propulsion and drive up to the anchor - she survived. So why was the crew of the Bayesian taken by surprise? Contrary to what you say, Bayesian was sub divided in to five watertight compartments and flooding of any one would not cause her to sink. She sank because she had not been shut down and made watertight and the responsibility for the safety of the ship, crew and passengers lies with the captain. Having the keel deployed would have gone a long way to maintaining her stability but it wasn't because it makes a noise and disturbs the passengers apparently.
@@stevemathews9535 the enquiry will surely determine the degree of culpability of the captain . No one is taking this lightly . And the regulations dictate an investigation anyway . Looks like human error though from what you've added .
As a mariner of some standing, I was very surprised to hear you refer to the circumnavigation of the two cameras as 365deg!!! Is this a new nautical compass measurement?
I'd love to have you discuss with a naval architect if the hull-side location for the vents is really appropriate for a sail boat. Is there any reason other than convenience (space utilization, etc) and cosmetics that the vents aren't up on the superstructure with ducting to the engine room?
The Investigation must run it's course before one can speculate further. What does come to mind though .. a Safety / Emergency Briefing and/or Drill. Was that done prior to sailing and practiced during the voyage? Inter alia, passenger / guest knowledge of Emergency Hatches / Exits on the boat and how to get to and use them under stress? We'll see.
As an outsider the boat seemed to have a really tall mast that, even with sails stowed, still had a leverage and could provide imbalance when tilted over. Was the keel dropped and the ship parked in deeper water and all openings, internal and external secured prior to the incident. How serious were weather warnings taken and should all non essential people have been taken to land to sit the weather out? Hindsight.
Would stairs from cabin area to the deck above be midship or was there on large cabin on port side so they put the stairs on starboard side so when ship started to flood, the stairs became underwater first? There used to be this great channel eSysman where the dude had explained about the various emergency hatches to go up ladder to the deck above, but if passengers didn't know about them and didn't think about diving down to reach stairs before going back up, they sealed their own fate. One would have hoped Lynch, the owner of the ship would have one day learned about all the secret passages on the boat and would have know to use them. I would be very curious on why the occupants felt trapped with no way out and instead all went to a port side cabin. At some point, they would have been standing on the wall and the door being on tne new "floor" would lead to fully flooded corridor so one would need to take deep breath and dive down in dark corridor and swim to stairs and then go "up" the stairs when and only once up the stairs, swim "up" to surface. That a ship of this size could trap passengers to their death, irrespective of what crew did or didn't do, should be a priority i order to influence further ship designs and perhaps either regulations, or billionaire owners demanding their new fancy row boats don't have a design that can trap people like that.
I knew a girl who drowned, trapped under a boat and this happened when she was sailing a dinghy, so to build a 50m yacht where it is impossible to get trapped, is impossible.
This is e-sysman's channel - he changed the name recently. I don't think the owner/guests knew how far down they were but unless they had diving knowledge and experience and light to see how to get out around the debris in the yacht and surface 56 m, they likely wouldn't have made it. They may have thought it was safer to stay where they were in their air bubble - hoping they'd be rescued - and not fully realizing the dangers of staying.
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So glad to have an alternative to the news because they never follow up on stories. This is a great follow up on the Bayesian.
Blame the Billionaires who run the news companies.
@@thefrener794 I heard they were all jews, does that make a difference ?
Tell me one big media corporation which has not been corrupt to big companies and being exposed to the infuence of money, reach and third party interests!
@@johnair1 Go to your job tell them you are not doing any of those bad practices anymore. Every job has them. Do not blame the reporters blame those who pay their salary and dictate the news.
@@johnair1 I watched channel 7 here in America world news and they probably spend one minute what they talk of happeningsin world news they mention it and what’s happening and that’s it.
Great information given calmly and without jumping to conclusions
Bam !
@@leeinwis Be quiet, bot.
Be quiet, bot.
@@LiveFromLondon2good evening LiesFromLondon2
@@LiveFromLondon2I assume you work for ISG. If you don't, maybe you should contact them and tell them you won't continue to spread their propaganda until they start paying you.
Just a bit of business advice from a friend ;)
Great repor as always. Herbert von Karajan is one of the greatest conductors ever, not just in German speaking area. Additionally being a keen sailor he was a well qualified and jet rated pilot owning and flying a Falcon 10.
Karagan ( Karagiannis) ) father was Greek, mother Slovene
He is also known for crashing his Porsche 959 right after delivery, stating - "What a car"
@@joannesakellarides8419 when he died his ashes were brought to Greece and spread in the Aegean Sea
@@joannesakellarides8419 Karajan's ancestors (father, grandfather and great-grandfather) were all born in Austria, as was the man himself. (source: Grove)
@@andreashoegl5381 Agreed! I have all of Beethoven’s 9 symphonies played by the BPO and conducted by HVK, amongst other great pieces by him. None better.
WONDERFUL!! If you need help with Italian translation or comment Let me know. Im half english half italian fluent of course an experienced sailor and US captain retired. Be glad to help. Vasco Bonini
Why haven’t they simply refloated it and taken it to a dry dock ?
@@simonmountford4291SIMPLY because raising costs MILLIONS of euros, I guess. You’re kidding, right? 😢
@@paolozampieri2691millions ? Cost hardly anything and only take a few hours. It’s just off the coast sitting intact in shallow water…any salvage team could do this blindfolded in a day.
@@simonmountford4291 yeah sure...
Nick Sloane, the salvage master that directed the Costa Concordia refloating, was interviewed by the Telegraph and estimated that resurfacing the Bayesian would likely take 6 to 8 weeks and cost around 15 million dollars.
You can google the article - pasting in the link gets my comment removed - that details the amount of work and personnel involved.
@@simonmountford4291 the amount of horseshit you managed to cram into a single post is - quite frankly - STAGGERING! Period.
Great reporting and best source of information for the story. You mentioned the PMS systems which stands for planned maintenance systems which do not monitor the ship's systems instead they are used for maintenance record keeping. What you refer to is the AMCS which stands for alarm, monitoring and control system which might be connected to the PMS but in most cases they are not, especially on a vessel of this size. Moreover, since Bayesian was below 500GT, it was not even required to have a PMS according to the ISM code. I apologize for being nitpicky and realize this is all very technical but owning a company that specialize in PMS consultancy and implementation I wanted to point this out. If you are going to be at the MYS, I will be glad to meet.
In case no one else gets this trivial, Karajan is one of the best 5 orchestral conductors in history, not just in "German speaking countries". No biggie, just a recommendation in case you want to listen to the best brass section every assembled along with flawless, interesting interpretations.
how soon before surviving crew are no longer ..
Thanks for the tip.
Thanks, OP, for correcting that.
Hear Hear Sir!
His last name is *Von* Karajan, not "Karajan".
Thank You for Your allways clinical and levelheadet reports.
No flim flam, flotsam or floundering around with speculation just facts. Good stuff.
thank you for continuing to update on the Bayesian.
Hi, I believe that down flooding is prevented on all ventilation ducting that can be submerged in normal operation because, although the hull has external louver vents, behind those louver vents are snorkel (non return) valves that close when submerged. These valves will, in fact be upright at the down flooding angle ie 45deg
If 'Bayesian' heeled far enough for water to enter the air vents, it would have been very close to deck-edge immersion, whereby there was a very serious risk of very large amounts of water entering the main deck, which was about 3 feet below deck level.
The Bayesian was past 90 degrees with her mast in the water as she sank.
@@hb1338The lower level deck area was inverted when she sank.
It wasn’t collecting water.
The AC fresh air intakes were however below water (and needed to be closed by manual operation from the bridge (which was unmanned due to the crew being thrown overboard) and the switches were on the high side of the bridge anyway…
0:48 "The intrigue in this story just keeps getting deeper and deeper..."
I see what you did there.
Your talent has been noticed, at least, by me.
Actually the testimony of captain matches the CCTV footage. Please download full footage and you will actually be able to see top mast light and a tilt of 45 degrees. And then it storm becomes too strong to see how it went down, or if lights went down first before it tilted. Overall the story line at least in public domain does not paint a picture of reckless crew, rather a shipbuilder who is a bubble. The red flag already was when on live TV CEO of shipbuilder company repeatedly mentioned that boat is "unsinkable", even when we all know boat was on the seabed.
apparently the crew acted heroically and at their peril in fact , to the best of their ability , saving at least what passengers they could .
Nobody, dealing with classified information, would trust "the cloud" which is just a fancy term for an unknown server sitting somewhere.
They de facto own the clouds, let's face it, the whole idea of it was probably theirs all along.
As you say, that is a "do as we say, not as we do".
@@wyldhowl2821 If you genuinely believe this then you have genuinely no idea as to how the clouds actually work and how they are operated, lol.
While surveillance is obviously pervasive, the clouds are not secure from an information security perspective.
@@wyldhowl2821Who are “they”...?
I wonder if it mentions the pager /walkie talkie explosion plans also ?
@@williamgoode9114...and 9/11, and 10/7 🙄
regardless of any criminal charges or such it's very useful to do a full reconstruction of the events to see if accidents like this can be avoided in the future.
We’d reckon the top man at Pirini Navi continues to bang on with ‘unsinkable’, because he sees the problem straightaway. His company’s liability. The hull/design was never meant to have a mast of that height and weight (the leverage is massive) nor meant to accommodate 30T of additional ballast. Hence, a hull that sits 10cm lower than her sister yachts with a shell door that sits on the waterline. This single mast modification had documented teething issues which needed to be sorted, well after construction, once it was launched. Oddly, Bayesian has a DWT of 97T, whilst sister yachts Caoz14 and Melek have DWT of 88T and 86T, respectively. Anyone who has any experience at sea knows that in severe weather, fractional differences can mean the difference between life and death. In this instance, those fractional differences would seem to be a ridiculously tall, extremely heavy mast (can’t even sail the Panama Canal) and a keel with 30T of extra ballast, but retracted at the time of the incident. If Perini had indicated that due to the height and weight of the mast, the keel needed to be down at all times, would these 7 souls still be with us? Was a billionaire indulged with the ‘super mast’ to his own peril? BTW, thanks for the excellent reporting, top notch channel, imho.
AIUI Lynch didn't spec the boat, it was bought from its original owner who did
@@keithposter5543 ANYWAY... the fact is that the final design was faulty.
Being wise after the event !
The retractable keel doesn’t have the extra ballast. That’s all in the hull. The center boards are a common design.
@@keithposter5543 They didn’t change the center board design for the Bayesian. It’s exactly the same as its sister ships because it has to fit in a dimensionally identical slot in the hull and be actuated by an identical hydraulic system.
The only way you could make it heavier would be switching from lead ballast to uranium (and that would require a bigger actuator).
The other reason for it being retracted - the center boards on the Pirini Navi yacht’s are notoriously loud when extended because of a poorly designed pivot bearing system that rapidly develops slop and the center board swings like a pendulum when at anchor as a result…
I've been watching your videos since the boat accident. Your videos and info are excellent.
Thank god they have "365 degree" cameras on board. Those last 5 degrees could be important in the investigation
Lol, funny but also an understandable mistake.
@dustinandtarynwolfe5540 I'm an emulsification of OCD and humour. Performing nightly in the Neptune Lounge on Deck 11...... I can comp a ticket. One drink minimum tho... Lol
Thanks for continuing to update this important information. Great job. Thanks for sharing.
No wonder the dive crews were Special Forces!
In case James Bond shows up.
@@asumazilla hehe
🤣🤣🤣
Remember reading about the Karajan boat many years ago. Apparently, he and his crew were talented enough to dock it without starting the engine.
As all racers are.
How did he die?
@@carolrawsthorne7655 Heart attack
When coming into any port at any time in any weather conditions, the main engine and thrusters should be running. Any Captain worth his salt would know that. They are not in the business of impressing people.
@@marviwilson1853 This WAS a racing yacht. It was recently driven aground by weather. It had no engine.
Thrusters tend to be electric and have duty cycle limitations. They are only needed for final maneuvering at low speed.
As a microburst weather event approaches, the 1st winds it produces will be outwards, horizontally, which would explain the 45 degree tilt, without actually knocking the boat completely down. The keel and righting forces could still overcome even very strong horizontal winds. However, as the core of the microburst moves over the boat, the winds (and lots of rain), would rapidly shift to vertical, coming straight down. With the yacht already titled 45 degrees, then slammed with a strong down force, that huge mast would be pushed down onto the water, and yes, would create a large catapult.
I wonder if the aluminum mast had anything to do with the spout hitting that boat only ? 😢
@@peggypasson8794 - Microbursts are usually quite small in diameter. There is nothing about aluminum that would attract a microburst.
There was no keel. It was retracted at the time of the event, because it couldn't be down without "knocking" so loudly as to disturb the sleep of those on board.
Be quiet, bot.
@@LiveFromLondon2 - Why TW*T?
In the world of tankers where a 15 to 20' freeboard is the norm vents are normally fitted with check valves or physical barriers on vents and intakes to prevent downflooding. If the two vents shown were needed for either the SSDGs or the HVAC system, a danger of downflooding when under sail would exist.
Many have said the HVAC system would flood if it couldn't purge the condensation ? I have no clue but these are people in the know .but there is no way anyone could brew up a freak spout or squall no matter how much money they have .an that is exactly what caused this . 😢😢 My prayers sent 🙏 so very sad so very bizarre 😭😭 freak act of nature .I've lost electricity to lightening in storms so I don't think we will ever know exactly what happened but it's heartbreaking 💔
HAARP could do it.
@@sixstringsdown1 Please explain.
@@robertlevine2152haarp stands for something like "High frequency Auroral Advanced Research Programme". NASA type shizzle (although I can't remember if it is actually a NASA programme). I suspect our mutual friend wobbled their tin foil hat a bit, and that comment slipped out from underneath ;)
Carbon monoxide
You are doing a great job
I believe from other info I’ve seen that the vents you have circled were deck drains, not vents for the interior. The AC, engine room and other interior vents were located on the superstructure, not the hull. Those circled vents would be under water every time the boat sailed to windward. A 40 degree downflooding angle is still crazy, but it wasn’t those vents.
I agree and also doubt any vent would allow sufficient water in unless it was submerged for an extended period of time.
The steps lead downward into the main living area would be more of a concern but I don’t know at what angle these would take on water.
As it seems from this report the boat didn’t right itself I still question its stability with the keel raised.
I read downfloading angle 45 degrees. Downflooding angle is defined as any opening that cannot be closed with a watertight door or similar. Theoretically, side vents are included in the downflooding angle but they are normally not the cause of downflooding because they would normally be designed to not allow prolonged downfloodlng. Normally... No idea with this yacht. The design looks really dangerous to me, those stairs at deck level leading straight down into the "lower cockpit area" aft and then straight into the main saloon deck via glass doors that are known to slide open if the yacht heels over more than normal are a death trap in my eyes.
@@michaelgothenburg364the captain of the Bayesian from 2015-2020 has given the following information regarding the downflooding angle of the Bayesian:
"... The Downflooding Angle is much more important though in the scenario we are talking about.
This is the angle of heel at which water will start to enter the vessel (usually through engine room or accommodation ventilation ducts)… once this starts the vessels is in serious trouble as stability
is quickly reduced or lost due to the flooding. The downflooding angle for Bayesian was around
40-45 degrees… much less than the AVS. So, unless the vent dampers are closed (which with
HVAC systems and generator running they would NOT be as they need to be open for that), the
vessel will start to flood rapidly if heeled more than the downflooding angle. ..."
As he captained this very same vessel for a period of 5 years I do believe that he knows what he is talking about.
@@michaelgothenburg364and the next thing is, provided the information of the engineer when questioned is correct:
He is supposed to have said that he started the generator needed for the steering and he started the engine.
You obviously can't operate a vessel without steering, and the steering of the Bayesian couldn't operate unless the generator for the steering was running.
I assume that this generator didn't have it's own compartment but was installed in the engine room. If this is the case, regardless if he started the engine or not, the vent for the engine room had to be open.
The Bayesian didn't have any structure at the toe-rail to prevent water from running straight off the deck, which means there was no need to install deck drains.
As tragic as it turned out, these were in fact the ventilation shafts and not deck drains.
While it was common practice for centuries to install ventilation as close to the centerline as possible and above deck-level, I haven't got a clue why they dared to install them at the outside of the hull below deck level.
There were ceilings everywhere inside the vessel to hide ventilation shafts from view, these could have been led to anywhere high up and close to the centerline.
Installing them on the outside of the hull is the worst possible place one can imagine.
The reason to do this? I'm sorry but I'm lost. It's more than a week that I'm breaking my head to find an explanation.
That is, well, unless one has lost contact with the real world and the temperament of nature and is convinced a vessel of this size and tonnage cannot possibly be subject to adverse weather conditions?
Humankind has learned a great deal about how to build seaworthy ships during the last centuries.
While technology has advanced at an ever increasing pace, modern technology can't replace the necessity to start with a seaworthy vessel.
There was this outcry all over the news in the beginning and the CEO of the manufacturing group picked it up too: how is it possible that an ancient vessel built in 1957 has weathered the conditions without getting harmed while the technologically far superior Bayesian didn't.
Take your pick, but the Sir Robert Baden Powell did have her vents where they belong and she was built to proper standards at a time when the seaworthiness of a vessel was most important over anything else.
I appreciate the deep though balanced analysys.
Be quiet, bot.
@@LiveFromLondon2Good evening LiesFromLondon2 is "be quiet bot" all you have left in your armoury now? ISG not paying/training you well enough?
Keep talking, bot/simp/shill, your self-owns are becoming quite entertaining
Love your recaps and continued coverage of the Bayesian - Thanks!
Very informative 👍
Lynch's clients included MI5, NSA and Israeli Secret Service. He also had encrypted hard drives in a safe on the vessel. Well, I guess that explains the instability of the yacht?
"Tonight he sleeps with Robert Maxwell, father of Ghislaine ."
Ohh. Intriguing @@darthkek1953
@@darthkek1953 Who will eventually join him...
How?
@@flowsnake8732 I think they're referring to Maxwell selling software to the soviets union which then spied on the soviets and turned out he might've been a double or even triple agent. But he kind of went missing oddly from his yacht Lady Ghislaine but his corpse was quickly found, then Israel gave him a massive funeral. Also he kept secret tapes of what some employees were doing because he was paranoid. Probably because he spent their pension fund... no worries the gov't "donated" about half of the pension back to the employees. Anyways I'm sure even more of his intriguing history has been dredged up in the decades since.
Austrian Herbert von Karajan was and will forever be one of the most famous and influential conductors in music history.
He was heavily involved in the development of the Compact Disc, an avid sailor and pilot.
May he rest in peace.
when did he die pl? met him in the 70s in Strasbourg where he was conducting the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra.
I saw on another channel that covered the Baysean, it explained that there are steps that go down from the side deck into a saloon area, these looked to be quite well aft and looked extremely vulnerable to flooding at the critical 45degs. They explained that this could cause a torrent of water down into the saloon area and as the accommodation is down another set of stairs, this would immediately start flooding the lower areas. Thought it might be an interesting area to investigate
I mentioned that in the comments on the previous video. I got ignored.
It showed up in some of the pictures on this Yacht report as well. That staircase is precarious, if the door there was open it could flood very quickly.
@louisavondart9178 NO you didn't 🚣🏿⤵️
I also asked for clarification on the stability calculations as the information given seemed not to take into account the bulk surface effect of the Saloon in a flooding condition. I question the stated ability of the vessel to recover from > 45 with the saloon flooded with many tonnes of water. I doubt if she was able to pump more than 1500 ltr a minute. This is a very flawed design.
I’m not surprised. The design of this super yacht seems a bit off to me.
Intresting video sysman thanks mate
I heard about the 45 degree angle being a warning in the manual that the boat could sink from your channel.
Nothing to add. ❤
I'm no naval architect, but I believe the boat is still there because there's no water around it. That's just a guess. I could be wrong.😊
Couple of years ago a Balearia Ferry ran into the "rocks" whilst going into the harbour at Denia. Was stuck there for weeks, cut up on site.
Cheers mate, always great info. Keep it up !
He (and anyone else on deck with him) were thrown overboard by violent ship movement and still managed to rescue some of the passengers!
Thanks again for the detailed coverage.
The story gets more horrifying and intriguing. It sounds like the crew tried their best to rescue those on board. Very sad
So factual , so serious . Thank you so much .
Nice vlog again…keep the follow ups coming
24 hour watch is a good idea, otherwise that safe would be gone a long time ago.
Yeah right, hahahahha. You ever tried to scuba down to 50m to enter a vessel that you have no idea about, find the right cabin, find where the safe is. Do you have the combination to the safe? No. Oh, bugger, where are your carpentry tools. Cut the safe out. Drag it to a place where you could use a parachute bag & lift it to the surface! Do you know how much gas that would require? Do you know how long that would take? Do you know the decompression that would entail? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Sound like Trance has their head in the Cloud, 5101 metres in the air.
With the latest 360° cameras, you can view a recording and move the camera 360°on the play back .
The camera he talked about was even better.
2:16 It was a three-hundred and sixty-five degree camera.
The key takeaway from this latest excellent bulletin is that the yeacht went to 45 degrees, stayed there for a bit and then went to 90 degrees.....
Kind of like it was being pulled under.
@@MrBigdaddy2ya Looks like it was being filled by the water and then lost stability
@@dmitripogosian5084 filled by water in a couple minutes. The video never even it shows it sideways
There is video of the yacht going on its side to the point the mast tip hit the water (from one of the other yacht’s in the area rather than the common shore side surveillance video).
@@allangibson8494 where did you see tthis
I can tell you what happen in those last moments: Panic, terror and despair.
I wondered when his Darktrace cyber security company connection would surface...
He obviously crossed someone and they put the weather machine to work on him
Surely the hull intake vents would be designed with ducts that would prevent water ingress when heeled? It’s very standard using goosenecks or by running the ducting across to the opposite side before running below to services. Wouldn’t it be a certification requirement?
Makes sense to me....
The stability booklet states that the downflood angle is 45 degrees. So the answer is no.
@@MinSredMash The regulations on this should be revised if this was the cause of the sinking. A simple floating ball within an inverted-u bend could automatically close these in case of emergency. Any sloop should be able to survive a 90’ knockdown…
@@juliogeorgiou I don't disagree, but this was more of a ship than a sloop. In this size range it is difficult to achieve 90 degrees of positive stability without excessive draft. Basically no vessels this large have been self righting, historically.
@@MinSredMash
Might that just refer to the point that water will spill over the gunwale?
Just from looking at the design of the side decks and those stairway cutouts, it would appear that if the boat heeled to or past 45 degrees that a huge amount of water would easily flood down those steps that lead to that covered outdoor lounge area. This would flood the area with the sliding doors that are known to be problematic and open on their own when heeling. To me, this seems like it would be a larger contributor to water ingress than the relatively small engine & HVAC vents on the sides.
One of the survivors said they forced those doors open ? Idk but
This is the explanation given by an experienced yacht designer.
As I understand it, crew would lock the sliding door in place so that its weight would not force it open as another commenter mentioned.
That seems like a case of a design flaw that was being managed in a way that could create other problems.
Be quiet, bot.
Yes, that's exactly what I've been saying for 3 weeks.
This thing sure does seem a lot more "superyacht" than "sailing yacht". Except, with the rounded hull and large mast of a sailing vessel. Doesn't seem like the safest choice in general.
Some say it was a boat basically but idk
HMS Victory was only 2 or 3 feet longer. HMS Victory had 3 masts. Even Baysian's sister hulls are multimasted. Will that fact, and its implications, dawn on the Italian authorities investigating an Italian built boat designed by an Italian company? They have form in saving face.
It was obviously an ill designed boat especially in that weather event - Perini is trying to avoid a massive lawsuit.
this 'Event' can knock 737 jetliners out of the sky
@@jaxdragon1723Absolutely wrong and kind of RIDICULOUS "comparison"... the effects at almost ANY altitude on a jetliner, are COMPLETELY different to the effect on a boat floating on the water surface...
The direction of the airstream in both cases, is TOTALLY different for the exact same wind phenomena (the Microburst)...
@@alfredomarquez9777Actually no.
A microburst can bring down an airliner by producing a wind blast faster than the airspeed of the aircraft causing an instant aerodynamic stall. The plane drops out of the sky as a result.
A way to auto shut the down flooding weak spots seems utterly essential as a follow up change. The fact that this mast was so very huge and heavy - even comically so - is likely going to be a factor. This mast was an after market change to the yacht - there’s even TH-cam videos about it, it was considered to be a really big deal when it was done years ago…
🙋♂️THANKS ESYSMAN 🤗FOR THE UPDATES 💚💚💚
Hello !
"Von Karajan's legendary 'Helisara' stuck in Ses Illetes for a month
From the general management of Coasts et Litoral, they assure us that they are working to locate the owner and force him to remove the boat."
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A 365 degree camera spins completely around and then some. Its range increases by one degree on leap years
Nice.
Lol well spotted, I missed that one ;)
ALAS THE SEA IS A HARSH MISTRESS
You need to face her, sitting in your cabin does not work
Interesting up date would appear despite crews best efforts we have this calamity happening ...
It would seem that a system should be developed to automatically close Vents to prevent Down Flooding and have alternative venting that allows systems to keep working ...
I wonder whether or not there was emergency lighting that did not turn on once generators failed to allow for people to attemp to exit the craft ...
Rather was it the catistrophic flooding prevented this action
Ie water behind doors preventing them from being opened ... ???
There should have been emergency lighting came on as soon as the sensor touch the water, but looks like they cheaped out on that
Not sure why you would highlight and focus on the air vents as the downflooding source when by simple observation the rail is merely centimeters above it. If she heeled 45 degrees and that allowed the sea over the rail, all that water coming over the aft quarters would go down the stairs there, into the sunken saloon and then down into the accomodation level, no? If that happened, surely that is a fatal design flaw for a sailing vessel?
agree, watched another yacht designer utube say the same thing. nothing to do with the vents.
all sailing vessels share similar parameters and they have been sailing and crisscrossing oceans for couple centuries
I guess you are saying that sailing vessels all SHOULD share common principles of seaworthiness. First rule: Keep the sea out of your boat. By design and practice.
This design seems to fall well short of prudent seaworthiness , in a major way, with respect to down flooding angle of heel. I found the interview with the owner of Kraken Yachts who outlines this very well. Kudos to him.
@@robthompson7174 never said “should”, by the way Kraken makes tiny sailboats so their Monday morning quarterbacking is really silly.
Depends what you mean by “tiny” sailboats, as if that had anything to do with seaworthiness. I wouldn’t have thought 44foot to 66 foot bluewater cruisers could be considered “tiny”.
How big is your super yacht?
IMHO the position of these air intakes is ridiculous. On the classic schooner I sailed on for a bit (Te Vega) we had huge air intakes at least 1,5 m tall on the deck, near the middle line of the ship. (At least in my recollection... ;-) On the Bayesian form is considered more important than function, "ugly" air intakes are brushed into little corners, together with high tech closing mechanisms that always work _in theory_ , and we just saw the final, sad, price they had to pay for that.
In theory ......ugh so sad .
I still can't get over that billions in wealth buys you a nice looking yacht (supposedly) that also isn't very seaworthy (or at the least, that was designed without safety and seaworthiness being the top priority). Like how on earth do aesthetics trump safety on a damn boat?
how did a ship for which form is more important than function end up so ugly?
the general shape of this ship is extremely unambitious, outdated, yet the details are reckless?
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Good evening, thank you for your insight. Do you mean to say that it is already known as a fact that 1) two personal hard drives with confidential information were locked in a safe aboard the Bayesian and will now be recovered; 2) those two personal hard drives to be recovered contain information on Mr. Lynch's connection with MI 5, the Israeli secret service, etc... ? 3) is it even possible in this day and age that an individual possessing such top secret information would take the "carriers" of this information on board a cruise yacht as opposed to securing these "carriers" in a very, very... safe place ? Thank you for your potential reply.
Good question.
This channel is making mountains out of molehills. Anything to increase his subscribers. Enough. It's ghoulish to be constantly building your channel on the back of a tragedy.
@@wendyfaith9197 I’m guessing you still believe that you will bite your way out of the world they are creating around us? You’ve got to be pretty dim to believe that it’s just a coincidence that his co-defendant died the same day.
Thanks Mozzy! Great technical insights.
Two concepts:
1. What will you do now?!🤪 Lots, of course. We look forward to your final analysis. And continued exploits with your boat. Maybe widen that?
2. Please do a piece on you and the two lads that joined you for a beer/wine in your vids. It appears that you all have some excellent technical background: engineering? Those have been quite interesting.
3. (I know, I can count).
I’m looking for something fast with a foil, single handed , for a heavier person. I am 250 pounds of pure 99% muscle and beer.
Can you do a design review of boats for the bigger dudes and dudettes?
Sorry, your vid kicked in just as I was sending this comment to Mozzy Sails.
You are also a top site and thanks for your expertise and insights.
If they had found a trapped air pocket just before sinking and stayed there to the bottom, the pocket would have been compressed by the four or five atmospheres of depth, increasing the partial pressure of the carbon dioxide in the air. With Oxygen being used up and more carbon dioxide at high partial pressure being released constantly the hypercapnia would set in very fast.
Surely an air pocket can't be compressed without a connection to the external forces?
It was “connected to external forces” there was water in the vessel, that airpocket would have been larger at the surface than it was at 50m. If the vessel was deeper it would have been smaller airpocket as the pressure from the water forces further compression of the airpocket
@bobok1541 This is taken as a given, however this air pocket myst be directly in contact with the water
@@englishcitystone1663well, there might accidentally have been something called „an ocean“ around this air pocket…?!
KAR-uh-yahn. World famous, not just German-speaking countries.
Those vents and intakes are there below the scupper area just to make the boat prettier outside and more spacious looking inside. In otherwords for vanity like the mast as well. Old fashioned boats had these as high as possible. Perini Navi know this and must be quaking in their boots.
And the old ships had the vents additionally as close to the centerline as possible
Perini Navi’s chairman “unsinkable” remark really got me. No real sailor would be so bold as to challenge the sea but a vain man would. I’ve got a suspicion those words will come back to haunt him.
@@latristessdurera8763 hmmm, as far as I understood Perini Navi was bought at a later time then when the Bayesian was built and the manufacturing group can't be made responsible. In this context I keep being a little bit surprised about the effort this CEO is making to "prove" the ship is without blame.
@@dodystiller3718 Bayesian was launched in 2008 as Salute but owner had to sell before he could take delivery after a paralyzing accident, then bought by Lynch and renamed. 2021 Perini was in bankruptcy and Italian Sea Group bought the brand. So, Costanza had nothing to do with build or design of Bayesian. He is trying to protect his company's investment in the brand they bought. Forgive me if my dates are not exact.
@@sailorlac no worries it doesn't matter at all about exact dates for the takeover of the company. But you mentioned something very interesting: that the person who ordered the ship built couldn't take delivery of her because of an accident and sold her. I do know she was sailing as "Salute" before. I do know she was bought in 2014 by Mike Lynch (well, the company his wife owns as I understood) and re-named Bayesian.
I've never followed any of this, but there must have been an owner between launching in 2008 and selling in 2014 who has sailed with her.
Or was she tucked up from 2008-2014? Wouldn't make sense as I've seen photos (don't ask me where coz I'd be lost to say where I've seen them) with her under way and the name "Salute" on the stern.
its a Bond Movie... I expect more revelations.
More The Omen since his business partner and co accused in a recent (winning) legal case, died in a random car accident 4 hours prior to this.
@@lindafarnes486
Stephen Chamberlain was not killed in a random car accident.
He was run down whilst jogging, on a road in Cambridgeshire, where he lived.
Chamberlain was Chief Financial Officer of Autonomy, the company which Mike Lynch created and sold to Hewlett Packard for $11 Billion.
Chamberlain prepared the company accounts which were used to persuade Hewlett Packard to pay $11 Billion.
Hewlett Packard spent 13 years dragging Lynch and Chamberlain through the courts, including extraditing them from the UK to the USA, to face criminal charges.
Of which they both were acquitted.
Why would anyone wish them any harm???
My guess is The down flooding angle of assumably 45 degrees would also involve water flooding over the deck and down any openings in this case the stairwell recess into the lower cockpit. If the sliding saloon/ cockpit doors were open, you would imagine the water would flood down below. If the water tight doors were not closed throughout the yacht, it might be the case she could sink if held over the 45 degrees. The more water the yacht takes on, the more tender she becomes and more likely to tilt over more. If the wind down blast held her over long enough over 45 degrees not allowing her to right herself, then I imagine she would progressively sink.
There is nothing else to add. Down flood angle of 45 degrees. The yacht got knocked down flat from the downdraft . Nothing else is need to explain what happened
The vessel cannot downflood through the central stairwell until a heel angle of over 70 degrees. This has been established by naval architects modelling the hull. The sunken saloon could flood, but the water would remain there, not flowing below.
@@MinSredMashSeriously. Even the builder states 45deg. At 70 this thing capsizes, which it obviously did. Else it would not lie on the ocean floor
@@hugohabicht9957 The range of stability is greater than 70 degrees, but not by much. At 45 degrees the downflooding is through technical vents, not passenger egress routes.
@@MinSredMashAnd that makes it better? 🤷🏼♂️🤦♂️
I hope we get to see the cctv, probably won't and maybe a bit insensitive, but I'm curious
Incredibly interesting especially as things are escalating in the Middle East as we saw yesterday. It is incredibly unfortunate that when you move in those circles "things happen" . One of my Snr Lecturers was an "expert witness" and worked on confidential high level military intelligence - nothing surprises me
This is a sad story but it seems that those air vents could have been mechanically closed off at say 40 degrees tilt on the heeling side whilst leaving the other side open. Of course none of that would have been any help if the main well doors were open when she heeled over. Keep up the good reporting.
The images of a "new" cctv video appear to show exactly what the Captain said.
We start from a situation of no wind (min 0.00). The wind progressively increases in intensity. At minute 1.17 the inclination of the mast seems compatible with a wind with gusts of 20/30 knots. Then at minute 1.17 the ship seems to suddenly tilt, probably remains around 45 degrees for a few seconds and finally seems to tilt further until it reaches 70/80 degrees (minute 1.33) taking perspective into account.
16 seconds pass from minute 1.17 to minute 1.33. It is therefore likely that the complete 90 degree capsize occurred in about 20 seconds.
So, everything - from when the wind starts to pick up to when the ship capsizes - would appear to happen in about *1 minute and 30/40 seconds,* with capsizing occurring in the last *20 seconds* or so.
This is what the images seem to show. I made a reconstruction by examining the frames of the cctv video that you can find here on Yt. I invite you to watch it and give me your opinion.
(Unfortunately I can't put the link to the videos as the post would be deleted by YT. But you can easily guess where to find them. 🙂)
@foghornleghorn8536 If I type the video title YT would immediately delete my post. YT's AI is very intelligent!!
If I tell you I got a "new" video and the video is somewhere here on YT, where would you go to look for it? It's not difficult!🙂
To be honest the video is not "new", but it seems almost none has watched it yet!
@foghornleghorn8536No! That's another video.
Just click on the violet circle with a letter "S" in the center you can find on the left of this post. 😊
@foghornleghorn8536 👍🙂
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@@slopermarco Be quiet, bot.
It’s also quite interesting that a yacht that had a 45° down flooding maximum did not have vents that automatically closed if they were subject to any significant water intrusion, I understand that you don’t want that water alarm or automatic closing so sensitive that the engine vents shut off when you’re in a rough see But certainly something can be devised perhaps something like a flood box where it can take a certain amount of water from spray and not automatically shut off the vent . The only ones I would consider critical are the engine room vents, but again this certainly can be addressed by proper engineering. . Automatically shutting off fence for the AC and the galley might inconvenience people but being dead also inconveniences people..
Thanks
Wait, cameras with 365 degree coverage? I think you meant 360…
Super-cameras for a super-yacht? 😂
365 degree coverage just means that the camera can rotate just slightly more that one revolution. This arrangement is used in tracking sensors turrets where if the end stop is reached the turret slews 360 degrees the other way to reacquire the target.
Please notice the staircases going down on the side decks. This rare feature invites down flooding!
@@BoomVang especially when you the fact that the sliding doors into the cabin would have slid open with the vessel on its side.
Be quiet, bot.
Great job!!
Thank you for this important update. The rat that I smelled from the first report that you provided on the main story keeps increasing in size as this goes along. Again, thank you.
_Of course_ the Italian investigators leaked the crew's confidential testimony. Why would anybody expect otherwise?
Awesome thank you
Very informative
@5:10 can see at that slight angle ( looks like about 10 degrees) the Ocean is 1 inch from Flooding the whole Vessel! I said it day 1, Crap/unsafe Design!!
Curious, what was the barometric reading when the crew member on watch noted 20 knots of wind. Surely this yacht had weather radar as well. Curious and curiouser...
And should have mentioned how I appreciate your reports: clear statements on the subject from those with experience. Thanks, PMc
@@patrickmccarthy4089 Be quiet, bot.
Not to be too technical, but the CCTV cameras you show are mounted on the lower spreaders, not the mast itself.
Ground tackle is what likely sunk her.
The water level around the boat would have been lowered from the air pushing down on it.
At the same time she would have been pushed to the anchor lines' max stretching point, which would've caused her to come back very forcefully and flip over throwing the crew on top overboard in the process.
What are load of crap.
@@DavidTangye My thoughts exactly on your comment.
If you had a better explanation, you would have given it.
This is needlessly complicated and improbable speculation. The ship capsized because she was unstable. Period. A wind force capable of heeling her to 45 degrees only needed to increase in strength by a few percentage points in order to knock the vessel down completely.
@@MinSredMash Why didn't she turn with the wind? Anchor tackle is the only thing that could have hindered the boats ability to move, it was hit from the side not the front. Someone didn't adjust the tackle correctly, or at all, while she was drifting as the captain slept. It's not that complicated when you have competence.
@@jasonconrad5772 Allegations of incompetence are totally unfounded and prejudicial, a sign of intellectual dishonesty. The answer here is perfectly obvious and simple. The ship was dragging anchor. In extreme wind events, a ship WILL drag her anchor. It is only a question of how fast and how far. When a ship is dragging anchor, it very often affects a beam-on angle to the wind. The only want to prevent this is to start running the engine, which would require opening vents that could then downflood...
The Helisara was emptied and left stranded on the rocks in front of a restaurant called Es Molí de Sal, in Formentera. The crew only left the sails, lines and rigging. Someone told me it was a money and insurance issue. I have photos of the stranded ship lying 2 meters away. A real shame.
Carbon dioxide build up in the lungs can be a symptom of hyperventilation, a panic attack. I know they were oxygen challenged, so tragically, a slow build up of carbon dioxide, and how terrible that must have been ....acute, panicky hyperventilation can cause the muscles in the body to severely contract , and smaller facial muscles such as round the mouth. The significant blood change in the body means you cannot reverse this quickly.
In terrestrial circumstances, it can take up to 6 hours. Worst remedy is to slap on an oxygen mask which some ambulance crew just don't know. Because the extra load of oxygen is going to make the symptoms worse, can include rapid heartbeat with risk of cardiac arrest.
Then, what is the best remedy? Room air?
In a closed room you will always die from too much CO2 - not from a lack of oxygen! 12% oxygen is still enough to survive, but 8% CO2 is fatal in a short time.
@@Ole-vu9yj but how short? They had a chance to be rescued? Assuming the rescue procedure started immediately.
@@Ole-vu9yj This is what happens to people who die in avalanches which is why they have breathing devices that exhausts your breath out of your backpack. Its called the Avalung.
@@Nina_user Nope .. not a snowball chance in hell.
You highlighted the stern vents but there appears to be some mid-ships too, by the stairs down to the saloon roughly. Are these actual vents or just styling? If vents then these add to the downflooding volume, if they weren't closed, surely.
Why on earth would you take two sensitive client hard drives with you on a social sailing trip, rather than leave them locked securely in your safe(s) in your homes or offices onshore? It’s the last thing on earth I’d be taking to sea with me.
He had just been found not guilty in a criminal trial, but had been found liable in a civil trial, with the claimant (HP) still claiming US$4 billion. In such a situation, you and I might not want to leave your hard drives at home or in the office.
I think there's a lot more to this event. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like. Codefendants death by accident only weeks earlier should be of concern. Energy directional weapon being used?
@robertgoble9739 Hi Robert, you are a Conspiracy Theorist 😊
Energy directional weapon? Like a car driving on a road?
@@robertgoble9739energy directional weapon plus all the downburst, my God I would like to work for whoever is capable of such a stunt 😮
From a background of learning about aviation diasters while to is still too soon to say that the crew is blameless, it is transparently clear that the ship's down flooding angle of ~45° was insufficient.
Also, as someone newer to domain of aquatic vessels, if the down flooding angle is less than the righting angle, dies the righting angle even matter? I understand in the case of Baysean closing vents would increase the down flooding angle, however, the crew would've only had so much time to do so, while from an aviation background the fact that they don't close automatically or at least issue a warning to the crew to close the vents ASAP, as this feels like a boats equivalent to an aircraft no the verge of a stall at extremely low altitude, which is to say things are on the verge of going horrifically wrong & if they do go wrong the situation becomes practically irrecoverable & it becomes a situation of trying to minimize the fatalities & damage as best able
I’ve thought on a yacht that of calibre those events would let air out but block water from coming in like a one-way valve, would make sense to me to have one wave valve type fence especially if there was a risk of flooding but the bozos who built the boat said it wasn’t sinkable
Those vents sound like a great place for a “Tesla valve” to prevent large amounts of water from flowing in but allow air to flow out slowly.
peri navi struggling with chimney technology
Those were not vents but deck drains
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Yeah. There was nothing the crew could really do that night. No one knew that a storm of that magnitude would strike. The vents were only a minor contributor to the flooding. The main source of the flooding was the big lower central stairwell that had seawater flooding into it due to the angle of the vessel. The Yacht was designed to be a floating hotel with a character of space and ambiance, not as a kind of naval destroyer with the ability for creating total water tightness with many small compartments and to completely isolate each compartment in case of fire or flooding. At best her design would be a compromise of the two and thus compromised in any extreme case. Which is what happened. The crew aren't to blame. The design isn't totally at fault either. It's not a naval ship, its a luxury yacht..... But one thing she isn't. Is unsinkable.
Well spoken
Well, she sank at anchor, regardless how much you try to "justify" the poor design...
do people who have never seen the sea design these ships ? I live near the ocean and would never be nonchalant anywhere near it , although many a tourist has been swept away marvelling at it up close and personal .
Irrespective of the weather conditions, a vessel like Bayesian is unsinkable if all openings are closed and the integrity of the hull is not compromised.
The crew of the nearby Sir Robert Baden Powell knew that a storm was approaching and they took action to close the vessel down, start the main propulsion and drive up to the anchor - she survived. So why was the crew of the Bayesian taken by surprise? Contrary to what you say, Bayesian was sub divided in to five watertight compartments and flooding of any one would not cause her to sink. She sank because she had not been shut down and made watertight and the responsibility for the safety of the ship, crew and passengers lies with the captain.
Having the keel deployed would have gone a long way to maintaining her stability but it wasn't because it makes a noise and disturbs the passengers apparently.
@@stevemathews9535 the enquiry will surely determine the degree of culpability of the captain . No one is taking this lightly . And the regulations dictate an investigation anyway . Looks like human error though from what you've added .
As a mariner of some standing, I was very surprised to hear you refer to the circumnavigation of the two cameras as 365deg!!! Is this a new nautical compass measurement?
An analogy would be an amplifier that goes to 11 instead of 10.
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Easy the camera can turn through more than one rotation.
I'd love to have you discuss with a naval architect if the hull-side location for the vents is really appropriate for a sail boat. Is there any reason other than convenience (space utilization, etc) and cosmetics that the vents aren't up on the superstructure with ducting to the engine room?
They allow noise to escape. Billionaires don't like that. They don't like safety drills either.
@@louisavondart9178 The super-rich inhabit a world where physics bends to their will. Or so they seem to think...
The Investigation must run it's course before one can speculate further.
What does come to mind though .. a Safety / Emergency Briefing and/or Drill. Was that done prior to sailing and practiced during the voyage?
Inter alia, passenger / guest knowledge of Emergency Hatches / Exits on the boat and how to get to and use them under stress?
We'll see.
Superb and trusted content ! Thank you
Trusted? on what basis?
The keel was up lads. Every neutral report points at that. It’s retracted, she lay down, and she flooded.
What does that mean then?
Hmmmmm very very interesting 😮😮😮😮
Thanks!
"Herbert von Karajan, sic transit gloria mundi!"
As an outsider the boat seemed to have a really tall mast that, even with sails stowed, still had a leverage and could provide imbalance when tilted over. Was the keel dropped and the ship parked in deeper water and all openings, internal and external secured prior to the incident. How serious were weather warnings taken and should all non essential people have been taken to land to sit the weather out? Hindsight.
I've always heard Herbert von Karajan's last name pronounced "von Carr-e-yhawn". His Wikipedia page has a sound out of the name.
but he died late 70s or early 80s.,
Thank you for the update!
you are a very good narrator .
I'm no Naval architect but I can't help but think, the mast was just too frigging tall for the size of this ship.
it's a status symbol . The boat was not designed to sail . It was designed to impress people . Other rich people .
thanks for the update
Would stairs from cabin area to the deck above be midship or was there on large cabin on port side so they put the stairs on starboard side so when ship started to flood, the stairs became underwater first?
There used to be this great channel eSysman where the dude had explained about the various emergency hatches to go up ladder to the deck above, but if passengers didn't know about them and didn't think about diving down to reach stairs before going back up, they sealed their own fate. One would have hoped Lynch, the owner of the ship would have one day learned about all the secret passages on the boat and would have know to use them.
I would be very curious on why the occupants felt trapped with no way out and instead all went to a port side cabin. At some point, they would have been standing on the wall and the door being on tne new "floor" would lead to fully flooded corridor so one would need to take deep breath and dive down in dark corridor and swim to stairs and then go "up" the stairs when and only once up the stairs, swim "up" to surface.
That a ship of this size could trap passengers to their death, irrespective of what crew did or didn't do, should be a priority i order to influence further ship designs and perhaps either regulations, or billionaire owners demanding their new fancy row boats don't have a design that can trap people like that.
I knew a girl who drowned, trapped under a boat and this happened when she was sailing a dinghy, so to build a 50m yacht where it is impossible to get trapped, is impossible.
This is e-sysman's channel - he changed the name recently. I don't think the owner/guests knew how far down they were but unless they had diving knowledge and experience and light to see how to get out around the debris in the yacht and surface 56 m, they likely wouldn't have made it. They may have thought it was safer to stay where they were in their air bubble - hoping they'd be rescued - and not fully realizing the dangers of staying.