Quartz64 Model A - PCIe & SATA SBC
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- Quartz64 Model A single board computer review and demo, including running Manjaro with a MATE desktop, and testing the board’s PCIe slot and SATA port.
The Quartz64 and accessories shown in this video were purchased from Pine64, where you can find out more about the board here: www.pine64.org/quartz64a/ -- and also on its Wiki pages here: wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Quartz64
My previous video in which I connected the SATA PCIe card to the RockPro64 and ran OpenMediaVault is here:
• ROCKPro64 PCIe SATA Card
And my initial review of the RockPro64 is here:
• ROCKPro64 SBC with PCI...
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:48 Unboxing
03:59 Specifications
07:58 Manjaro
10:43 SATA Port
12:08 PCIe Slot
14:16 More Tests
16:03 Wrap
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A new video? "... Let me go take A CLOSER LOOK"
This! 😂
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New? Old too! Let me goa closer look entire channel
Bummer. I'm sure it's frustrating to deal with a board that has so much unrealized potential. However, I appreciate the fact that you are willing to do the testing to save the rest of us the headaches. Thank you.
This. Very much. I'm so glad he makes it so easy to figure out what SBCs are available and get a good handle on capabilities.
i'm pretty sure this SBC th-cam.com/video/lsfE83wIjko/w-d-xo.html VIM4 is the only one SBC that can play TH-cam in browser without frame drops (even, as it was shown on video, via XWayland), without HW decoding/rendering but still.
Get Geoff Gearling to recompile the kernel.
As a couple of people mentioned on Channel Update July 2022, It is enjoyable to watch your videos on Sunday morning.
I saw an article on the Quartz64 A last week. It started with a headline about the board being in stock & available. Nothing was mentioned about the lack of mature software!
Thanks, Chris, for saving me from spending $100+ & hours of frustration. Your SBC reviews are an oasis of useful information in the ocean of vapid commercial hype.
Thanks Marcus. One of the things I've learnt in the past few years is that many articles in the computing press are minor re-writes of press releases. Even some "reviews" repeat that the manufactuter says in their literature . . .
@@ExplainingComputers Very true! That's why thorough reviews like this have become a "must have" step in my pre-purchase research. I've been burned too often by enthusiastic writeups & TH-cam shills.
Makes me appreciate even more the work and support from the Rpi foundation.
To say that this was a generous review is an understatement Chris. I'm not so sure the rest of us would be as kind over a year on from such a purchase and it is still not fully functional. Keep up the great work.
This had so much potential but has been IMO neglected by the programmers at Pine, to not have a fully working desktop over a year after launch is unheard of, maybe they should relaunch it as The Lemon Pi!
That's the secret sauce of Raspberry Pi-- software and long-term support.
They intentionally release boards with immaturely supported (relatively new or obscure) chipsets, so as open-source enthusiasts can tinker with them and hopefully add mainline kernel supports to them in a relatively early time. Pine64 themselves don't really provide any software support to the devices (maybe a basic BSP boot image or two, and that's about it). While it is a bit doubious business model, they are welcomed by open-source communities because some boards are better than no board.
So, you really should not buy random boards from them unless you are okay with that. Some old boards (based on Allwinner A64, RK3399, etc) are pretty well-supported, but new board, not necessarily.
@@PeterKropotkin42069 Gatekeepers are in every community. Use a computer however you want, that's kinda what Linux is about, right?
@@countorlock3148 Me too! I originally intalled a Red Hat version that came on a magazine CD ROM although I had dual boot as Red Hat was used as a learning tool only, luckily I leared CLI on my Amiga in the late'80s and the transition from Amiga CLI to Linux was easier because of this, Im no expert far from it but I do try to do things from CLI, its so fast! and the OS is lightening fast, back in my Amiga days we used to call Windows Windoze as 3.1 was so so slow LOL
@@PeterKropotkin42069 I wouldnt call my self a scrub but im neither an expert, i can acheive what I set out to do.
Looks like the Quartz64 Model A is a SBC with potential, but lacks software support even one year after release. Thanks for another high quality review.
I was thinking the same thing. Seems they released a whole lot of hardware features just for the sake of saying “We have this”. I know SBCs are for tinkering, but kinda useless to have hardware available that isn’t actually usable - like having 4 different video outputs on a device who’s own webpage says the software doesn’t support video output.
aggree like another pine64 board less software support
@Tony Yeah, this isn’t likely for the average user. I just find it odd that even a year later, the official software is still in “beta” (basically) and lacks video support on a device that has 4 dedicated video outputs. But I do agree that for someone who has the knowledge and time to spend developing for the hardware, this isn’t likely as big of an issue.
The appeal of the sata port had me excited, but what good is it if you can't use it (at least easily). Thank you for testing out this board, saves many of us the expense and headaches.
Why can't there be sub $50 sbc with a Sata port that works? It would make some serious money.
@@setgeeks agreed, I think there are many of us that would like to use an SBC as a lan connected fileserver.
@@setgeeks It's called a thin client like fujitsu futro, HP Txxx or Dell WYSE
@@setgeeks They have been around for a long time: take a look at the "Banana Pi"
It's easy, simply write your own driver and do you own reverse engineering ; )
What good is an SBC without working software? Honestly at this point I'd struggle to justify any ARM SBC not called Raspberry Pi if the maker's idea of software support is 'let the community do it for us'.
Thanks for showing us all these SBCs 🙂
This attitude is becoming endemic to manufacturers in China, eg. Creality the 3D printer company does this with their Marlin firmware although you do get a printer that can only just produce a print but forget about the bed probing working correctly or any Marlin features after 2017
Thanks for saving me the effort of writing exactly your comment. There appear to be very, very few, if any, SBCs with decent software support that aren't a Raspberry Pi.
I mean, on some level that's actually the point of Pine64, they work to get open hardware out there and support the community building on it. Stuff like this can be really good for folks working on Linux development, prototyping for custom development, etc. Not all these boards have the same target market.
@@SeverityOne Very few? Are there any? Hell, I'd be happy with software that AT LEAST supports the features the board has!??!
No smooth DE = no software
You are right in expecting a full experience after such a long time, but I think its excusable since its basically a community project.
Buy the older module if you want a change, or a Raspberry pi if its that what yoy expect in the end of the day.
Thanks for giving it your best shot and showing the good, the bad, the ugly... The raw data
Thank you for taking the time to test & share with us. Hopefully this board will mature and your next round of testing will show much better results....
Been wondering about this board for quite a while. Thank you! And, at the risk of being pedantic, you spin 180 to get to the other end. 😉
So true! I got my angles wrong there. I'm so used to spinning 90.
@@ExplainingComputers I just assumed you were spinning it 90 deg twice...
@@largepimping :)
I am getting addicted to the knowledge I recieve from your videos keep it up
Thanks for watching. :)
@@ExplainingComputers EC will make sure you stay addicted!
A year is more than enough time to get things ironed out. You were very generous.
Thank you for the video, Christopher. You have been kind to the manufacturer of this SBC. Your production quality and presentation skills are top notch!
A very interesting board, thanks for testing it out!
That keyboard - I bet it's older than a lot of your viewers 🙂 (AKHTER are still in business I believe which is cool)
Another great video waited one week for this, I will be waiting patiently for the next one always enjoy EC video I look forward to each and every one. Glad Peter is teaching all new and exciting new things and taking his time. He is so kind to do so. I can't thank you enough.
Thanks Chris. Interesting SBC with lots of potential
Off topic. I understand that the UK is having a heat wave. Hope it’s cooler in your new studio. Stay safe! See you next Sunday!
Greetings! We indeed about to have to very hot days (maybe 40C). The studio space was OK this afternoon. Maybe not tomorrow . . .
Not even a good doctor like yourself can save this patient . . . It has lots of showroom appeal, but let's face it, it's a flop in the cold light of day . . . Won't be rushing out and buying one of these!
Authentic review. You put a lot of effort into making such videos. Pine64 has potential when used as a NAS or a personal GIT server by using GTEA or maybe it can also be utilised to host a personal website. But using it as a daily driver, that too, by hooking up so many wires will be a real challenge. It's not easy for someone like me. Pressed the Liked button as usual.
and again a very good, very interesting video with lots of authentic information.
I have to be careful not to immediately order the new, great SBC, which I actually don't need at all.
The same procedure as last time ...
I like retro bits too, but I seriously like following SBC boards and development. Thanks Chris!
Always loved these kinds of videos on a Sunday evening! Awesome video by the way.
Thank you for another interesting session & for testing this interesting looking SBC, before we wasted any money on it. I do hope this will improve in time & will be watching your channel for updates. Like you & others, I like the idea of this SBC, but it does look like we are a way off having a good working one! Keep up the good work Chris. Thx
starting my lazy sunday off with a great video from christopher. gonna be a good day!
Have a good day. :)
Nice just what I needed for my Sunday a new video from you Christopher have a nice week
Greetings! :)
Similar to other boards, a SBC like this shows a tremendous potential to be unlocked over time with software updates, something not recommended for more mainstream products. This is the reason why it has a spotlight on this channel. Thanks Mr C.B.!
Well done video as usual, with a very interesting sbc.
Very esoteric. Thank you for sharing this. I hope that Pine finds money in their budgets, to continue software development to match the hardware.
Sweet SBC! I wish I could get my PinePhone to work as a reliable full-fledged SmartPhone. Thanks for being awesome! I'm sure it enjoyed the pep-talk.
Mr.Chris.
You rock as always.
ThanX for posting this!!!
Enjoy your day!!!
Thanks, you too!
You had the board for 1 year and the software is still in development, in the computing world 1 year is a life time and things move very fast. This board should never have been released.
Your point is well made.
@@ExplainingComputers Raspberry PI because of its excellent software support is first choice for mission critical applications where reliability and free of software bugs are very important. Who would buy Pine if after 1 year its hardware is still not supported?
Yes, I was very excited and now a little...
Thanks Chris, for showing us a status report on its development.
Thanks for a review of this board. Sad that the Pine64 group can't get it together. To quote the late great coach Chris Schocor, "Potential is what you lose with."
Nice quote.
As someone that was born in 1981 and watched computers come out that were large and heavy and seeing SBCs in 2022. I wish I was rich, I'd buy every one of them just to have them. Tiny computers are the best!
Thanks for the info. I've always liked learning things on your channel.
Veddy interesting, especially as I have a Pinephone that's more or less the same base unit. (I don't use it as a phone, but as a micro-portable, with the excellent Pine keyboard.) It runs Manjaro/KDE, and while programs are slow to load, once they get going performance is smooth enough. Will be pleased to see future developments for these Pine64 units.
You know that somebody loves his keyboard and that it is durable when the originally white keycaps got yellow. I love it, Christopher. Nice keyboard for typing.
Thank you for another excellent SBC video and thanks for saving me the money for NOT buying another POS Pine board!
Great video loved it. Thank you. Happy Sunday
Happy Sunday! :)
First and foremost, just wanted to give again my thanks for your hard work as always. I don't really have access to these things, so I experience the world of sbc's vicariously through you as proxy and value it greatly.
I think on the side it'd be rather fun to be an sbc collector - though I would not let any of them idle :) would put them to work
Videos like this are gold to me, because we are basically rife with choice when it comes to sbc, so when it comes to pitfalls, information like this are important factors. I await a "next gen" sbc to pop up by one of these many companies, so many possibilities in design and hardware, I'm sure the "bestest sbc's" are still a ways to come.
I'm not going to buy another sbc, I'm not going to buy another sbc. Ooooo a new explaining computer vid time to buy
:)
I'm fairly sure Chris could use his collection for decorative wall tiles.
Covering his entire wall.
:D
03:24 I like the "SanDish" eMMC 🙂
I’m hoping to use this board as a server. The extra Ram and the SATA slot make it a good contender as long as the headless software performs properly with good stability.
Glorious unboxing. Thank you.
One thing about boards that have certain issues is having fun trying to tackle the issues and even writing program code that can bypass the issue at hand temporarily while the company sorts out the official launch of the kernal or program for full compatibility.
Looks like a cool little SBC. 👍
Nice review there Sir, Thank you.
No problem 👍
Nice video, thank you, Christopher.
The PCIe connection, despite what the physical connector might look like, is a PCIe 2.0x1, as is the only available PCIe provided by this chip. There's another chip from this family, the RK3568 that adds an additional 3.0x2 conection to the SoC.
The PCIe generation is indeed 2.0. But the physical slot type is x4. :)
Bravo Chris, more good stuff.........
Another interesting video. Thanks Prof Barnatt!!!
Glad to see Mr Scissors making his contribution! :)
Thanks for video support
I love the SBC reviews... the bread and butter of this channel!
This SBC looks like it could have had potential, but seems a bit half-baked. And SBC makers should have learned from the Raspberry Pi Foundation that top-notch software support is far more important to market share than fancy hardware.
Me too, I really liked the look of the original board so was excited to see this one. For me the interesting bit was gigabit LAN and PCIe with potential for a private router type arrangement. I was disappointed to hear you have had the board so long now Chris and bits like the SATA ports still are not supported in the recommended distro. Bonus marks for perseverance 😃
Mainline kernel support is going well on the quartz64, and they do have the advantage of being an open hardware design as well (you can download the schematics for the board). Personally I use the pgwipeout kernel with Debian bookworm on mine and it's rock solid stable. The only thing that I can't get working at the moment is the mipi-dsi LCD panel but I'm sure eventually it will work. If you buy one be sure to get a woodpecker serial adapter for console at the same time.
Useful info to know. Thanks !
that keyboard needs a visit to the 8-bit guy for a retrobright :)
Awesome, been looking forward to this one.
Greetings Paul.
@@ExplainingComputers good day Chris.
Love the blue-tac SSD 'cradle' Christopher.
:)
An interesting SBC video on a Sunday afternoon @ E.C. It's a shame the software support isn't in place especially after having the board for a year. I've often wondered about the durability/longevity of SBC's with components soldered directly to the board, what's your thoughts on this? Looking forward to the next instalment :)
Thanks for the review. It is clear the performance is still potential. It does make me wonder about the model B -> does the M2 work and at what performance level? I am still looking for the perfect home server SBC.
The pcie slot is exciting with it’s potential for a broad range of high speed functionality, but my opinion is that connectivity will be a long hard fight to realize.
Have a good weekend Christopher. As Always, Be Smart and Stay Safe.
Thanks, you too!
@@ExplainingComputers Your Welcome, Christopher
Thanks for the video Chris. Your hard work is appreciated.
Thanks Brian. :)
Great video. Thanks
I eyed this board, but ended up pre-ordering a Rock5 Model B. I'll need a m.2 breakout board to use a PCIe card, but the other hardware specs and AI processor in the Rock5 seem to be seriously upping the SBC game. It's exciting to imagine something using the NPU for a smart PiHole and enhanced ad-blocking, or building a firewall that uses the NPU for modifying rules on the fly.
The Rock 5B will I think be an excellent board.
have fun not getting any of the NPU to work, since that relies on BSP linux with a proprietay userspace stack that needs a very specific userland
I thought there was some progress on getting open drivers for the npu on rockchip...
@@rpavlik1 no, there is nobody working on this as far as I'm aware, and being involved in RK3588 mainlining myself, I'm pretty well aware. Besides, the RK3566 on the Quartz64 would use the same driver.
Another great video 🤓
Thanks Chris for this test, which is cool. I'm wondering whether or not a 10GigE and SFP+ PCIE card could work on this? And how about the iperf3 data of the 10 GigE.
Chris, I am in quarantine in Shanghai :/ Thanks for the video!
Sorry to hear that. I hope that the situation improves.
Gotta love SBCs. One of these days...
Don't be afraid to tweak the kernal. There's a conflict to squash!
:)
I So Look Forward To Your Videos Every Sunday & This Time I Tend To Agree With The Commenter Below With The Wild Font. This SBC Is Just Lacking. I'm A Fan Of M.2 & SODIMMS But No SATA & USB 3 At The Same Time!?! I'm Like You Though, I Like The Name But The Proof Is In The Pudding. Isn't That What You Guys Call Kidney Pie? Have A Good Week! 8-)
Awesome Video
AS always great video.
Good video!! 🎥
Very good SBC.
hi chris. ive bought some glasses so i can watch my computer screen comfortably. all you do is measure from nose to screen, and see a optician, they work
Excellent! Glasses for computer/desk use do indeed make a lot of difference when you pass a certain age! I've worn them for about 10 years now.
I genuinely thought that Pine might have come up with, if not a serious challenger to the Raspberry Pi, but rather had carved a niche of its own with the connectivity options. It is such a shame that this hardware lacks the software support it so obviously needs.
A very diplomatic summary there Chris, but thanks for your insights.
The other thought that crossed my mind besides not being supported by the OS is power issue.
Still interesting concept to include those in an SBC.
Radxa Zero gives you much more for the same price level... Thanks for making this video. Greetings from Ottawa.
I think the one of the real reasons why Raspberry Pi is successful is that they not only ship the finished hardware, but also finished software to the end user. And now I can see why it took years to ship an full 64-bit OS to Pis: They really cared about the software, and wanted to ensure that it works flawlessly.
you nailed it
Would you happen to be planning on doing a review of the Mekotronics RK3588?
As always, an excellent script for the video. Clearly not just "winging" it, or if you are it's impossible to tell the difference... Overall, the software is still in the bleeding edge alpha category which is good to know before spending any money with higher expectations.
0:53 I Do Love The "Open Sesame" Written On The Box Right Stanley
He say Yes Chris.... Good Boy :)
What do you do with all these SBCs when you're finished reviewing them?
All of these sorts of boards are ALWAYS so tempting, especially with how hard it is to get Pis right now. And then you find out the state of the supporting software and I just say 'no'. It's not worth farting around with what might be great hardware if the software is a trash heap. Thanks very much for reviewing this board. Maybe in 5 years it'll be worth looking at.
Great vid, thx!
Thanks!
Thanks - this is interesting.
It's a great looking SBC with great potential. I can see it as a cube shaped NAS box. With a big heatsink and fan. I'm in the process of creating a PiNAS drive (following your tutorial thank you) for the cctv I'm trying to set up. It's just that the Pi4's all seem to be out of stock lately. It's on back order so I'll have to wait. 😕
Thanks.
After all this time, I have only just noticed the "custard pi" in the opening credits. An interesting excursion ensued to a very interesting "cooking channel".
Can you show the model B next? The documentation says there’s an m.2 slot but I don’t see where it is in the stock photos.
I don't know why Pine released the board without the needed hardware support, in particular for key features like sata and PCIe, which are supposed to be features the rest of the SBCs lack.Thank you for your honest and clear review Professor, as usual.
You mean software support? For the past couple of years they have been steadily releasing hardware without much of any software support.
@@knerduno5942 yes, the video shows a really poor performance at least in the desktop environment
@@alerey4363 Because nobody is working on video drivers. Heck seems to be no drivers for the SATA port. Really sad.
Very Intresting
At 6:39
Request going forward....
While going through the ribbon cable connectors I realized that it would have been better if you had used a pointer of some type. My original thought was something like a crayon like shape made out of plastic, (so it doesn't get wax on the parts and the plastic won't damage the delicate electronics).
This may be something to look into for future videos.
Will there be a"Mr. Pointer" in the future??
Fill my noggin with much needed info sir!
Greetings Leslie! I hope that all is well with you. Have you found the members-only videos?
Obviously, there's more work to be done on the board/OS combination, which will attract rhose who like that sort of thing. Assuming that they can get ir to a reasonable approximation of "working", where would the sterngths and weaknesses of the Quartz put it in the market?
I'm just curious if you actually use any of these sbcs for any purpose other than just tinkering around with them every now and then. Like, do you have one set up as a NAS or as a retro gaming system? Or do you have one set up as a weather station for daily use? Or do you just use your full desktop computer for that stuff still and the sbcs are still in the "big boy toy" category for the time being? For me it is just sitting on my book shelf as sort of a novelty item, but I only have the Raspberry Pi 3 which I got 6 or 7 years ago or something like that. It just didn't have enough oomph to satisfy any of my own needs so I've just been using my normal desktop computer for all of the purposes I can think of for an sbc.
Truly it is a fascinating SBC. I would be interested in a follow up video, once the software is "all" working properly. Definitely this SBC shows the possible future of SBC hardware. Looking forward to you next video!
Good luck with that. The PinePhone has been out over two years and still no stable OS for it. Also, their original Pine64 SBC, most of the distro developers for it dropped support for it quite fast,
@@knerduno5942 …and that is why I’m not abandoning my Raspberry Pi anytime soon. LOL.
The thing is Pine64 gave out 10s of thousands of dollars in donations to about five different Linux OS projects who are making a mobile OS for the PinePhone, and still no stable OS for PinePhone? What did they do with all that money? I hear ya. I am very hesitant to buy anything more from them until something gets done. I have delayed buying their PinePhonePro ($400 is a bit much for the specs), and their SOEdge because both of them are lacking in software support. They released the SOEdge, and no a peep from them about it since it was released some time ago.
@@knerduno5942 Yup, hardware without decent software support is like having water at the kitchen table without a glass.
@@knerduno5942 _ 10s of thousands of dollars_ sounds like a lot, but it is a drop on a hot plate
Would the Quartz model fit into the Rockpro64 NAS case. Using the Rockpro64 but got the 2gb model at launch and now with a good few dockers running its starting to creak. Would this work with the same power adapter and case. Currently running 2 3.5 disks 12 and 14tb and a SSD.