Hans Orsic actually, lay is the action of placing something down, lie is the action of being down, so laying would be laying down a sheet of paper, but you would be lying down in bed, so lying is correct
Literally every hardware manufacturer on the planet: "Never plug or unplug PCI components when your system is running. PCI is not hot-swappable. Don't do it. It's no good. That's a NO-NO. Linus: *hot-swaps every PCI component available* "Why is it not working?! What's going on?!" This is why I subscribed. This is why I'm still subscribed. This is why I'm never unsubscribing.
@@ShadowsNight1000 i think that its not just a flag because the mainboard has to initiallise the card and everything like on boot but while in windows so no post. and i think that not every shitty 30 mainboard or so will be able to do that. but im not a manufacturer so what do i know :P
@@luisfarias2360 Definitely for the newer servers that use newer storage. Watching this 4 years later , almost all storage is hot swappable now in the home . Maybe this is how they developed/implemented these features.
to be fair, this *would* be pretty nice for things like express cards (pcie equivalent to PCI's pcmcia cards), which could let you quickly trade out exotic I/O for like retro controllers, old external drives, firewire for old peripherals, and things of that nature, that you only use for one or two devices that you genuinely do not need to always have, but would be nice to have access to easily.
"The Titan X is here just so we can have output..." ah yeah, it's just one of those leftover components one just has laying around for small tests like these...
That card's been in that room for a while now, and Linus is probably too lazy to go down to their storage and pick up another GPU.. And yeah I'm pretty sure he has a bunch of Titan cards lying around. Edit: nvm he went down anyway lol.
I remember in my old PC,I tried hot swapping my case fans while recording audio because it was too loud. Removing it was fine but when I put that molex fan back, BOOM PSU blew up destroying our PC.
i don't know what i like hearing more..the truly exponential level of frustration with every passing "go ahead & cut"...or the little half bark, have skidmark noise linus made removing devices lol top notch bois, we all appreciate the sacrifices made
I would be even more impressed when Linus shows determination to use only Manjaro KDE or Kubuntu Linux for next 30 days exploring and discovering everything Linux. Challenge accepted?
+Kaiden Rogers Chances are you or I would never have gotten it working though because these motherboard manufacturers are asshats that ship half baked, but totally broken, features and there's no way Asus would have set him up with that BIOS if he weren't so big on TH-cam.
Actually, if you sound to the tech support guys like you know what you're doing, they will often open the vaults on stuff like that. At least I used to "back in the day" when I was a tech.
Have a mini fridge next to your team in a tournement keeping things O P T I M A L reminds me of ships and a crew keeping evrrything together. Imagine needing that for playing a single game.
This is likely what that backplane is for. Typical PCIe connectors are only mechanically rated for 30 insertion cycles before their electrical specifications are no longer guaranteed. In practice, PCIe is very robust and this isn't likely to be an issue unless you swap cards like a madman. I would suggest using riser cables so you ^2 your insertion cycles; if you wear out the slot on your riser, you get a new riser, not a new motherboard!
Even better, there are pcie riser with multiple connector, of course you can only connect one of them at a time, but for PCIE extreme hotswappers, it would be very helpful.
This is a microcosm of the journey of a tech geek. All the stages are present: curiosity > enthusiasm > stubbornness > humility > reorientation > revelation > mastery.
I like the "Did ya even RTFM, dude?" Come on! It's Linus. OF COURSE HE DIDN'T READ THE F--ING MANUAL! Did you not read who submitted that complaint, dude?
*AHEM!* Shorter video. There was that whole thing of needing a beta bios from ASUS to unlock the feature. But, again, it's Linus. Did you think he's going to stop and read the manual for once? He even states it on the start of the video he was going in cold without reading anything.
It would help if there was a standard and every BIOS mfgr didn't have their own names and terms for common functions - that, and a better description for what the function does rather than just a full name for the acronym next to the setting.
This has to be the most hardcore Geekout I have ever witnessed.
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These are the LTT videos I like to see. Not those when his screenwriter writes a script, the other one does the build, and Linus just sits in front of the camera to read the lines.
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Because they don't seem as genuine LTT content. More like they hired a bunch of people to crank as more videos as possible that have a more corporate feeling to them, compared to a small team when LTT was in that house filming in the kitchen.
I lke both. I mean its not bad to miss the old videos, but hey, you can just watch the old ones then. New stuff with new editing is cool too. And these old-style videos are quite frequent to enjoy too. So you don't have to get rid of the new style to enjoy the old. Both are good and there are some new new styles we haven't seen yet and will come in future years. Then you can start complaining about how the todays new style was good and the new style in the future is bad.
I said who would WANT to. You don't WANT to use Sata, you simply have to given your current drives. Linus does not given his massive trove of hard drive tech to sample from. Heck, he could plug a bunch of those SATA drives up in raid and feed them through a PCI interface to get much faster speeds too.
@@electrosquid8325 all servers have to have that since you cant just power down a server. Also PSU failures would be catastrophic. ...i should know as I accidentally crashed one with plugging in a PSU with the wrong wattage into it. Good thing everything in a data center is redundant lol
@@MrMarci878 In a datacenter maybe, small business servers often have single PSUs though. HP ML110s for example. Rackmount servers almost always have multiple power supplies so if you work in a datacenter, I guess that's why you think all servers are similar in configuration :)
@@tredd6946 not a very bright business if they're not using some form of redundancy with PSUs (works for a small business) unless you're fully cloud based for everything, that's cheaping out on a stupid level IMO
i seriously stopped the video at that point to look through some comments. Found yours and clicked on the timestamp - the video just started playing without skip to that video point. That was amazing lol.
I have to tell you man. For a while I kind of avoided your videos, and I'm not sure why, I think it was the sponsors messages on each video. I thought it was a bit gimmicky. ANYWAYS, I spent some time today watching a few of your vids, watched a few series' of yours (my favorite thus far being the submerged oil cooled PC), and I stand 100% corrected. You've got a new follower, and I whole heatedly enjoyed pretty much most of the content I've watched today. I was also pleased to learn you're a fellow Canadian, so shutout from the east coast!
Best thing about Linus' baked-in sponsor reads though is you can always skip them, unlike other TH-camrs that are putting unskippable 15sec ads every 90 seconds on a 10 min video
happened to me too. Linus can come off as a bit obnoxious or...something... because of his energy and sense of humor. After a while I pretty seamlessly went from full-tilt critical to subscriber
Same here ,, this is very cool tech and should be in all customer boards to stop accidental damages to PCIe boards ,,, HIGHLY recommended !!!!! to all board makers for real
In fact, for Linux hot unplug pci device will normally cause a kernel panic, as most driver doesn't handle PCIE error well. If you follow correct way, by revmoing the kernel module using the device, and then echo 1 > /remove, it could be removed without problem. In fact, thunderbolt3 eGPU hot-unplug is just exactly hot unpluging an PCIE device, and it doesn't crash your Windows (but still crash linux as there is no way to disable one added GPU in X yet).
Dang, wish I saw your comment earlier, got a laptop with eGPU, fancied myself to try linux gaming, and boom. Wasted almost 30 minutes before I realize whats happening :
@Moataz AhmedA bit late, but here you have some forensics (in case you still wonder what happened that day): The PCie protocol is designed to be hot plug, but a difference thing is the connector type that you need to use for that. The ground level must be the same for the electronics of the device you have in your hand and the equipment you are connecting it to, before letting any electrical signals to flow between the two (otherwise an electric arc / electrostatic discharge can easily damage delicated chips). External connectors and external enclosures are designed to achieve just that (either the ground pin is longer so it gets connected first, or just by ensuring proper contact between well designed metallic parts of the enclosures before the connector is fully inserted ). But no shame, I know it because it also happened to me.
It is very surprising to me that this is a new thing to Linus. With all the high-end, workstation, and server stuff he deals with, I wouldn't have thought that PCIe hot-swap was a new thing to him.
He´s probably just always been afraid of hot-plugging stuff. Heck, I hot-plugged a graphics card into my main system without any problems once, and that´s just a regular consumer machine. It´s usually just a matter of the drivers loading/unloading correctly.
Gamesfan34260 for card testing and mission critical servers, this is an ideal board. (It's a server board, after all) HOWEVER, you are correct that this is mostly useless for the rest of us.
In the late 90's, Compaq servers had PCI and PCI-X hot swap. I've made use of it several times. One time to swap a Quad-Ethernet PCI-X card that had blown on an NT4 BDC. You just slid the server out, pop the hood, and the catch is there was a power button by the hot swap slots. You powered it off to pull the card, do the swap and power it back on. It worked flawlessly. I even did it with Compaq RAID controllers that failed. Mind you they were secondary , not booting volumes. But it work flawlessly. The swapped in RAID card would read the config on the drives and present itself to NT4 Server. What this video shows is cool, but is not all that new of a feature. FWIW,the Compaq servers with this feature, did come with a price premium. They were not standard.
There's multi-server setups that even have hot swappable CPUs, lol. When you get into server territory you see a lot more options like that. Seeing something like this on a desktop/consumer board though... that's the interesting part here specifically.
I have said the exact same things when looking at BIOS...."I have no idea what any of these settings are for. Sure...that value looks good...lets go with that."
Cheejyg, It may be the case. I'll try another (more older version) of drivers, and then will see. If it will be crashing, I will try to get a newer bios.
Don't call a 5450 sacrificial when I am in the process of trying to install Ubuntu on an HTPC with a 5450 in it. It can hear you, and now you made it sad.
But don't the laptops with extendable gfx cards already support hot-swap? By the way: how can the person that mounts coolers for an i7 and core i9 with zipties not want to hotswap a Titan X? A hotswap a day keeps the BSOD away.
Technically yes, but those are connected through thunderbolt with some performance loss. This is direct connection through PCI-e, ie. 100% performance.
18:06 - That's how excited I got when the very first Plug'n'Play ISA cards and motherboards came out. Smack it in, Boot up, Install drivers. No friggin jumper or dip switch configuration needed. Wooooaaa...
This video was amazing. As soon as the U.2 port didn't work the first time, I was willing the BIOS flash to fail. At the end of the video I was as happy as Linus because it was great watching him so happy over this working!
+Linus tech Tips, if you want to PROPERLY test whether Windows is the issue, then hibernate the computer before swapping hardware. Windows will return to its previous state upon bootup and will be surprised to see new hardware (or missing hardware). Then you can see whether Windows copes or panics.
Windows is so very much not hot plug capable with PCIE...it’s in the standard but it’s basically pretty much unsupported because it’s a royal bastard to write a driver that doesn’t just shoot the whole system.
+Untitled: You still do. The fact that it's now often mounted with 'sync' option so all operations are not over-buffered and GUI shows their actual write progress instead of in-RAM write buffer's state DOESN'T mean that it will not get fried because you've decided to fiddle with it while it was powered.
Well it would certainly speed things up if the part was working. But would you really trust this method to determine that a piece of hardware was dead?
It's been available with server class motherboards for more than ten years, and before that it was possible with PCI cards. I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the first PCI-E specs. Manufacturers don't want to enable this for consumer cards as every time you plug a board in doing it "free hand", like Linus did it in the video, there is a chance you either misaligned it, dropped the card, touch a nearby card or short circuit something on the motherboard by touching it with the bracket. In servers where the hot swap capability is enabled they usually separate the cards using plastic dividers so you can't short out a neighboring card, and card guides that attach to the card and then slides into guides built into the chassis making sure the card is going straight down into the slot. As the card guides has to align the card exactly they have to be designed for each card, making it impossible to have one for every card out there. So they will only make these for a small subset of controllers sold by the server manufacturer, and any use of a card not on this list will invalidate any warranty or service contract with the server manufacturer.
as a system builder that is amazing. You can test hardware so much faster that way on a known good bench instead of the constant power off and on steps that you do normally. Just plug and play.
PCIe was designed to be hotswapable ... and it actually works fine on most motherboards, however Windows does not generally support it, but do check out the kernel options in Linux. (again make sure the option is enabled in the kernel!) The biggest issue is plugging in the cards straight as to not short circuit.
It seems to me that this functionality would be great for mission critical servers... and some random, internet famous, doofus... (Love ya, Linus.) Everyone else... Ehhh... not so much.
I don't have hardware that can hot-swap PCIe, but I've hot-swapped SATA drives on many occasions. As long as it's not the boot drive, Windows either notes that it's gone, or does nothing (it does require a "scan hardware" request to see it) when plugging one in.
I've had the pleasure to install a system with full redundancy. It was a storage array combining SSDs and HHDs to form one big volume, and if one of the CPU would fail, the system would switch on the other one. The same happens for network cards, PSU and... Well... all other components. This is super awesome for system updates, were you don't even have to turn off your production system! Oh, and the whole thing was running on Linux.
Someone at Microsoft who looks at crash logs is trying to work out why some idiot keeps unplugging pci-e devices.
and the fact that they're so frequent
this made me lol hard
Nobody at Microsoft does this unless there is a large flag.
@@testthisfordecficiencies Linus is touching computers they have all the flags out
nah they will automatically ignore it
Linus casually blue-screens his test bench for 23 minutes
I blue screened my old laptop for a week straight, then I got a new one...
That's only the video, imagine raw unedited footage xD
@@robbeandredstone7344 do you still have your old laptop
Yes, But After it reset (Crashed during an update) it Workes half reliable.
who hasn't?
This was straight up one of my favorite videos for quite a while.
AntVenom Well hey there AntVenom!
Wow its been a while since i saw your videos or any mc video in general
Didn’t expect to see you on an LTT vid Ant
lol what a place to find antvenom
How about a pc spotlight in the foreseeable future?
I just need any old graphics card just to have a display.
**pulls out Titan X**
I smell broke
@alysdexia "Laying" was the right one you stupid fuck
@alysdexia r/woosh
@alysdexia lying is to lie... like your defense in your false correction.
Hans Orsic actually, lay is the action of placing something down, lie is the action of being down, so laying would be laying down a sheet of paper, but you would be lying down in bed, so lying is correct
Dammit, need more FPS!
*Throws in a 1080 Ti mid-game*
Jmcgee1125 me tbh
I just lmao‘d so hard xD
Missed opportunity for the vid imo
"dammit, its out of juice"
*throws out 1080 Ti and replaces it with another one*
TACTICAL RELOAD
Literally every hardware manufacturer on the planet: "Never plug or unplug PCI components when your system is running. PCI is not hot-swappable. Don't do it. It's no good. That's a NO-NO.
Linus: *hot-swaps every PCI component available* "Why is it not working?! What's going on?!"
This is why I subscribed. This is why I'm still subscribed. This is why I'm never unsubscribing.
Pfff, who listens to the people who makes the stuff? PfFFFF.
PCI != PCI-Express. PCI is a bus, PCI-Express is a collection of ports.
@@deusexaethera I am not even going to pretend I knew that. Thank you, the more I know.
The PCI-e spec is actually hot-swapable and has been since version 1.0, interesting that it's just a bios flag limiting it though.
@@ShadowsNight1000 i think that its not just a flag because the mainboard has to initiallise the card and everything like on boot but while in windows so no post. and i think that not every shitty 30 mainboard or so will be able to do that. but im not a manufacturer so what do i know :P
Linus: a lot of problems, nothing make any sense.
ASUS: RTFM!
Linus: Things make sense.
dtiydr
Also Linus: Who cares about what ASUS has to say ?
Finally, a feature that will save me 30 seconds every 5 years when I upgrade my GPU. Truly amazing.
@Egon Freeman you mean something like thunderbolt? Or Asus's proprietary external laptop GPU port?
@Egon Freeman I have a feeling it's for servers
Yeah because you have to set it up like 24h
@@luisfarias2360 Definitely for the newer servers that use newer storage. Watching this 4 years later , almost all storage is hot swappable now in the home . Maybe this is how they developed/implemented these features.
to be fair, this *would* be pretty nice for things like express cards (pcie equivalent to PCI's pcmcia cards), which could let you quickly trade out exotic I/O for like retro controllers, old external drives, firewire for old peripherals, and things of that nature, that you only use for one or two devices that you genuinely do not need to always have, but would be nice to have access to easily.
"The Titan X is here just so we can have output..." ah yeah, it's just one of those leftover components one just has laying around for small tests like these...
My point is that he's using a freaking Titan X "just to have video output" instead of a low tier video card or whatever...
kabinx r/whooosh
That card's been in that room for a while now, and Linus is probably too lazy to go down to their storage and pick up another GPU.. And yeah I'm pretty sure he has a bunch of Titan cards lying around.
Edit: nvm he went down anyway lol.
Yeah nothing major
Classic Linus.
Linus: "This motherboard is PCI-E hot-swappable"
My motherboard: *cannot hotswap case fans*
I remember in my old PC,I tried hot swapping my case fans while recording audio because it was too loud. Removing it was fine but when I put that molex fan back, BOOM PSU blew up destroying our PC.
i actually hot swapped my 1070 and it worked. it was stupid but it worked
@@salac1337 Balls of steel
@@salac1337 I did that with my 7200gs, when it was on the bios
@Badr Ahmed I have an old USB scanner that sometimes can bluescreen the computer if you plug it in
“This video brought to you by Gary from ASUS working over the weekend!”
And now Gary is under his employ.
i don't know what i like hearing more..the truly exponential level of frustration with every passing "go ahead & cut"...or the little half bark, have skidmark noise linus made removing devices lol top notch bois, we all appreciate the sacrifices made
Uses GTX Titan X "Just to have a display output" 😐
I thought exactly the same
Me too
SeedlessBananas was already on the bench, no point in swapping
Ikr
that board costs like 7x what a titan x does, not to mention the cpus
new drinking game, everytime Linus says "go ahead and cut" take a shot and see if you survive the video
Brb dying
DanielRichards644 ez
I survived comrade.... now let's play another game... Let's take a shot in every scene where is Frodo... in The lord of the rings. (extended version).
5 minutes in and I’m feeling a bit tiddly....
woah you got a love from linus! VERY RARE!!
honestly i am impressed of how determined you are Linus , i would have given up around 30% of the way.
never disappointed in your content 👌
I would be even more impressed when Linus shows determination to use only Manjaro KDE or Kubuntu Linux for next 30 days exploring and discovering everything Linux. Challenge accepted?
this. i would have thrown everything out at the exact moment windows needd to update while they tryn to get it to work
haydenlake You know he could've just made a video about something else right?
+Kaiden Rogers Chances are you or I would never have gotten it working though because these motherboard manufacturers are asshats that ship half baked, but totally broken, features and there's no way Asus would have set him up with that BIOS if he weren't so big on TH-cam.
Actually, if you sound to the tech support guys like you know what you're doing, they will often open the vaults on stuff like that. At least I used to "back in the day" when I was a tech.
Imagine the future, GPU starts to die mid game.
Me: Hold up, gotta throw a different GPU in real quick
*Inserts GPU in mid game*
scrub duo graphics card pc for the win
"Wait, it's not 300 fps. Lemme pop another GPU a moment"
Have a mini fridge next to your team in a tournement keeping things O P T I M A L
reminds me of ships and a crew keeping evrrything together. Imagine needing that for playing a single game.
It could also be over usb 6 or something and we could just plug it in and out anytime we want.
Someone allegedly did that to our VALORANT party the other day😂
Next Video: How to fix broken/worn out PCI-Express Slots..
Simple you just hot swap your motherboard
This is likely what that backplane is for. Typical PCIe connectors are only mechanically rated for 30 insertion cycles before their electrical specifications are no longer guaranteed.
In practice, PCIe is very robust and this isn't likely to be an issue unless you swap cards like a madman. I would suggest using riser cables so you ^2 your insertion cycles; if you wear out the slot on your riser, you get a new riser, not a new motherboard!
Even better, there are pcie riser with multiple connector, of course you can only connect one of them at a time, but for PCIE extreme hotswappers, it would be very helpful.
Tightening cream
This is a microcosm of the journey of a tech geek. All the stages are present: curiosity > enthusiasm > stubbornness > humility > reorientation > revelation > mastery.
well this is what happens when you don't read the manual. lol
EXACTLY. THANK YOU.
I like the "Did ya even RTFM, dude?" Come on! It's Linus. OF COURSE HE DIDN'T READ THE F--ING MANUAL! Did you not read who submitted that complaint, dude?
RTFM would have led to a short video.
*AHEM!* Shorter video. There was that whole thing of needing a beta bios from ASUS to unlock the feature.
But, again, it's Linus. Did you think he's going to stop and read the manual for once? He even states it on the start of the video he was going in cold without reading anything.
3:00 "No idea what any of these setting do. Sure! Looks good to me!"
Every time I have to make changes in the BIOS.
It would help if there was a standard and every BIOS mfgr didn't have their own names and terms for common functions - that, and a better description for what the function does rather than just a full name for the acronym next to the setting.
@Justin Kashtock: Amen!
@@justinkashtock333I mean, you can just look up what a setting does online
This has to be the most hardcore Geekout I have ever witnessed.
These are the LTT videos I like to see.
Not those when his screenwriter writes a script, the other one does the build, and Linus just sits in front of the camera to read the lines.
Because they don't seem as genuine LTT content. More like they hired a bunch of people to crank as more videos as possible that have a more corporate feeling to them, compared to a small team when LTT was in that house filming in the kitchen.
Absolutely +1
I lke both. I mean its not bad to miss the old videos, but hey, you can just watch the old ones then. New stuff with new editing is cool too. And these old-style videos are quite frequent to enjoy too. So you don't have to get rid of the new style to enjoy the old. Both are good and there are some new new styles we haven't seen yet and will come in future years. Then you can start complaining about how the todays new style was good and the new style in the future is bad.
Almost everything you see from LTT is scripted...Including the videos you say are not scripted.
no more usb sticks for linus, just swapping ssd directly on the mother board from now on
NO! He's now swapping graphics controllers. The ULTIMATE THRILL!
Eww, SATA, who would want to use SATA in the age of PCI-E storage transfer speeds?
Invertex People who have 16 TB of mechanical SATA drives...
CanuckGod there is a 15tb sas ssd in 2.5 Inch from samsung xD
Samsung PM1633a MZILS15THMLs
cache alone 16GB
I said who would WANT to. You don't WANT to use Sata, you simply have to given your current drives. Linus does not given his massive trove of hard drive tech to sample from. Heck, he could plug a bunch of those SATA drives up in raid and feed them through a PCI interface to get much faster speeds too.
Hot swap a power supply
There are servers with dual psus where you can just pull one out
@@electrosquid8325 all servers have to have that since you cant just power down a server. Also PSU failures would be catastrophic.
...i should know as I accidentally crashed one with plugging in a PSU with the wrong wattage into it.
Good thing everything in a data center is redundant lol
@@MrMarci878 In a datacenter maybe, small business servers often have single PSUs though. HP ML110s for example. Rackmount servers almost always have multiple power supplies so if you work in a datacenter, I guess that's why you think all servers are similar in configuration :)
@@tredd6946 not a very bright business if they're not using some form of redundancy with PSUs (works for a small business) unless you're fully cloud based for everything, that's cheaping out on a stupid level IMO
like here, if it designed for it its no issue ;)
"Whea, uncorrectable error"
That was a good one.
*G* O A *H* E *A D* *A* ND *C U T*
Starting to get a little light headed, but okay...
［Ｉ ＣＡＮ’Ｔ ＣＵＴ ＵＰ］
Cut my pcie into pieces this is my motherboard.
Instruction not clear, dick stuck in PCIe slot
This made me laugh way more than it should've
Most cuts i've seen so far on a LTT video I think.
Eric Liang I
almost as many as a 10 min Philly D episode.
Did anyone go back and count the cuts?
yupz... lots of cuts...
cuz windows suck.
Every component of that computer hates you now.
Things I have learned from this video:
1) Windows Update is ALWAYS an inconvenience, and;
2) Linus' favourite curse word is 'sh*t.'
Me too!
Isn't it everyones favourite curse word?
When Titans are used to "just have a display output"...
I want to commend whoever edited this, it was hilariously done and absolutely brilliant to watch!
It was Taran
It was Berkal
i was looking for this comment +1 editing was magical
Cut!
it was dennis :^)
The Titan X is just here , so that I can have a display . . I wish I could say that myself D:
"today im just going to use a titan, because racecar"
I'll just use this titan, so if it breaks it won't be as bad........
"I'm just going to use this titan because right now I don't have anything worse than this"
Please overlclock this cheap Titan that I only use for display, to beat GN
I just use this cheap Titan card so that I can look into the bios if anything goes south.
Linus: *The Titan X is just for display output*
Me: WTF
Take a shot everytime linus says "go ahead and cut" for permanent liver damage.
Damn, I drank way too much coke...
im attempting right now
Immmm not as think as you drunk I ammm.
sbcontt YT Haha
WayStedYou bet
Watching Linus blue screen 800 times is oddly satisfying
How do you sleep at night sir
But it’s kinda funny 😏
Ii is obvious, counting Linus's BSODs.
LinusLuck-PushingTips
I just love this video. So intense watching Linus trying to figure out how this works and finally beeing overhyped about hot swapping a pcie card.
Asus be like
That’s not what we had in mind 😑😂😂
Server windows doesn't have a :( bluescreen face? How unfriendly :(
A server crash is catastrophic, so catastrophic the face ran away.
21:49 linus.exe has stopped working
Quick, run the "sponsor.swf" xD
i seriously stopped the video at that point to look through some comments. Found yours and clicked on the timestamp - the video just started playing without skip to that video point. That was amazing lol.
xD
Trying Automatic reset ... success!
Loading Systems ... ... ... Done!
Run Autostart . Done!
[Moderator] waiting for sponsor plug.
[Sponsor] ad initializing, no segway opportunity found, starting anyway...
I have to tell you man. For a while I kind of avoided your videos, and I'm not sure why, I think it was the sponsors messages on each video. I thought it was a bit gimmicky. ANYWAYS, I spent some time today watching a few of your vids, watched a few series' of yours (my favorite thus far being the submerged oil cooled PC), and I stand 100% corrected. You've got a new follower, and I whole heatedly enjoyed pretty much most of the content I've watched today.
I was also pleased to learn you're a fellow Canadian, so shutout from the east coast!
follower == sub =)
Best thing about Linus' baked-in sponsor reads though is you can always skip them, unlike other TH-camrs that are putting unskippable 15sec ads every 90 seconds on a 10 min video
happened to me too. Linus can come off as a bit obnoxious or...something... because of his energy and sense of humor. After a while I pretty seamlessly went from full-tilt critical to subscriber
Valley Kid I had the same situation I just never watched his stuff but after going through a few I’ve found him very charming
Linus Stress Tips
Linus looks like a idiot last 3 min of the vid.
kinda obvious.. to enable that mode...
You know this is all rehearsed and scripted, right?
That's dedication.
he's just insane
This video kept me on the edge of my seat for 20+ minutes. Wow
SDG Danny hello I’ve seen you on 30+ different videos. Good job 👏
Huh, I am pretty sure I have seen you on multiple other yt channels that I watch.
Same here ,, this is very cool tech and should be in all customer boards to stop accidental damages to PCIe boards ,,, HIGHLY recommended !!!!! to all board makers for real
+B D yeah, very fking recommended connecting a discharged capacitor from your board power supply to the connectors
ikr
I swear when I'm done watching new videos from linus I always go back to old ones like this one am tell me I'm not the only one who does this
You are not. Though I only watch the more extreme videos. Also, it shows how long the way is that LTT and LMG has come.
Great, now hot-swap a CPU.
Can be done on multi-CPU systems.
@@rautamiekka well he could have tried it he had a dual socket mainboard in the video
@@BadMax02_VR he actually operates on dual socket mobo on the video
@@RzariRzari but i don't think that board would support that xD
@@BadMax02_VR I don't think there is any mobo supporting hot-swapping CPU in the world
I hotswapped my psu. You guys should try it
Candi Soda something definitely got hot
Not big deal if you have dual psu system.
That's basically what forensic cyber crime units do. Pretty rad stuff.
I hotswapped my mobo
I hotswapped my electricity power plant conection
*Linus:* Ok let's upload this video to YouTu-
_TH-cam failed to recognize your video_
*Linus:* ...Go ahead 'n cut.
In fact, for Linux hot unplug pci device will normally cause a kernel panic, as most driver doesn't handle PCIE error well.
If you follow correct way, by revmoing the kernel module using the device, and then echo 1 > /remove, it could be removed without problem.
In fact, thunderbolt3 eGPU hot-unplug is just exactly hot unpluging an PCIE device, and it doesn't crash your Windows (but still crash linux as there is no way to disable one added GPU in X yet).
Dang, wish I saw your comment earlier, got a laptop with eGPU, fancied myself to try linux gaming, and boom.
Wasted almost 30 minutes before I realize whats happening :
I'm going to do this with a spare motherboard _right now_
@Moataz AhmedA bit late, but here you have some forensics (in case you still wonder what happened that day): The PCie protocol is designed to be hot plug, but a difference thing is the connector type that you need to use for that. The ground level must be the same for the electronics of the device you have in your hand and the equipment you are connecting it to, before letting any electrical signals to flow between the two (otherwise an electric arc / electrostatic discharge can easily damage delicated chips). External connectors and external enclosures are designed to achieve just that (either the ground pin is longer so it gets connected first, or just by ensuring proper contact between well designed metallic parts of the enclosures before the connector is fully inserted ).
But no shame, I know it because it also happened to me.
Dangit, Linus. I tried this on my system and now my toaster won't work.
PCIe Toaster
Toast is hotswapable but its not safe unless you disable knife extraction in the bios
Usually bread is hot swappable in toasters by default. I know this because I've roasted my fingers for years hot swapping the stuff.
You need to jumpstart it with a wet metal fork while plugged in.
lmao
I dream for the day I can have a titan X as just "a display output"
Cont3mplation Give it 10 years.
J Nunley even the first gen titan X is already not that powerful. But it's still selling for quite a bit
You're there now!
3:02 Good to see that even hardware professionals don't even know what all of the bios settings do :P
""""professionals"""
He is kinda a professional. The range of knowledge he has is amazing.
I think even the developers aren't sure every now and then.
J0RAKU The jab was less at the knowledge possessed than the ghetto fashion Linus likes to do things ;)
he's not a hardware professional, he's just a guy who plugs GPUs and CPUs in and out of PCs
"This is the same as this, so if you have this, you have this." - Linus Sebastian
It is very surprising to me that this is a new thing to Linus. With all the high-end, workstation, and server stuff he deals with, I wouldn't have thought that PCIe hot-swap was a new thing to him.
Anonymous Freak he has servers but not high end stuff
Nor has he seen a laptop with PCI/PCIe cards?
He´s probably just always been afraid of hot-plugging stuff. Heck, I hot-plugged a graphics card into my main system without any problems once, and that´s just a regular consumer machine. It´s usually just a matter of the drivers loading/unloading correctly.
Or, more likely, ExpressCard slots - which are just small-form-factor, externally-mountable, PCIe cards.
Yeah I'm with you on this Anon. Was watching thinking "I hot swap sata drives on a daily basis" this hasn't been new for years.
This could actually make benchmarking multiple graphics cards on the same system less tedious.
I was thinking that but for most people, useless.
Gamesfan34260 for card testing and mission critical servers, this is an ideal board. (It's a server board, after all) HOWEVER, you are correct that this is mostly useless for the rest of us.
not really ,u still got to uninstall and install correct drivers to stop conflict errors
girlsdrinkfeck: I mean, at least you don't have to reboot your computer to uninstall and reinstall cards.
well he did on this video as it still gave errors and stopped responding
In the late 90's, Compaq servers had PCI and PCI-X hot swap. I've made use of it several times. One time to swap a Quad-Ethernet PCI-X card that had blown on an NT4 BDC. You just slid the server out, pop the hood, and the catch is there was a power button by the hot swap slots. You powered it off to pull the card, do the swap and power it back on. It worked flawlessly. I even did it with Compaq RAID controllers that failed. Mind you they were secondary , not booting volumes. But it work flawlessly. The swapped in RAID card would read the config on the drives and present itself to NT4 Server. What this video shows is cool, but is not all that new of a feature. FWIW,the Compaq servers with this feature, did come with a price premium. They were not standard.
There's multi-server setups that even have hot swappable CPUs, lol. When you get into server territory you see a lot more options like that. Seeing something like this on a desktop/consumer board though... that's the interesting part here specifically.
I have said the exact same things when looking at BIOS...."I have no idea what any of these settings are for. Sure...that value looks good...lets go with that."
My nvidia drivers crashed when you got uncorrectable error. Your videos are going to the next level of realism. Or nvidia drivers are still shit.
never encounter nvidia driver crash, just update your windows
Hadi meiza oh, i did. Yesterday
maybe you need to get that alpha/beta BIOS
Yeah, Nvidia drivers are complete shit
Cheejyg, It may be the case. I'll try another (more older version) of drivers, and then will see. If it will be crashing, I will try to get a newer bios.
Don't call a 5450 sacrificial when I am in the process of trying to install Ubuntu on an HTPC with a 5450 in it. It can hear you, and now you made it sad.
PaJeezy thats and overkill mate just use IBM monochrome adapter it can run gta 5 at 16k 144fps
That card made my bro's computer comatose, the inbuilt graphics are more reliable than that card series
I just sold mine for $15 nzd lmao. I have another though. They are useful for adding monitors, which I need because I have 8.
Why do you need 8 monitors?
he is diving into the matrix
But don't the laptops with extendable gfx cards already support hot-swap?
By the way: how can the person that mounts coolers for an i7 and core i9 with zipties not want to hotswap a Titan X?
A hotswap a day keeps the BSOD away.
I think some of them require a restart.
Technically yes, but those are connected through thunderbolt with some performance loss. This is direct connection through PCI-e, ie. 100% performance.
sasja de vries. That's just switching display from iGPU to the dedicated
Thunderbolt is basically PCIe over a wire and hot pluggable so the OS should be able to handle pcie devices appearing and disappearing.
Иван Нанић performance has nothing to do with it. It's still goin over PCIe
Linus in 2030:"Hotswapping an old thredripper 2 cpu from like 2019"
THEN ACCEDENTLY DROP IT
He will retire by that point
@@banban5568 HE'LL NEVER RETIRE
Go ahead an.... cut :D
1:40 I thought you were going to use those thermal transfer pads instead of paste from now on Linus :p
Trogdor not on those huge ass CPUs tho, the pads aren't big enough
unrelated but TROGDOR!
He probably recorded this part of the video before the thermal pad one.
go back to the video and see for yourself why..... ''last 2 minutes of the video"...
A shining example of why Linus makes videos instead of actually running enterprise servers. Rule number one, RTFM!
Plot twist: he can't read
Plot twist: it only worked after ignoring the vendor's instructions.
Titan X just for video ouput *sigh*
Sahil Pethe 😂😂😂
Sahil Pethe in
Didn't he say it's an "og titan, not so high end anymore"?
Brewpl I think he was talking about the one they cutted the heat spreader in half xD
Brewpl - that was a different one he used later in the video.
18:06 - That's how excited I got when the very first Plug'n'Play ISA cards and motherboards came out. Smack it in, Boot up, Install drivers. No friggin jumper or dip switch configuration needed. Wooooaaa...
And memory you didn't have to configure in the BIOS first. Or CPUs with pages of jumper settings.
You just reminded that pcs used to have jumpers that could be changed. Nothing to miss there.
I love the "go ahead and cut" 😂
Nebel_ Banane he sounds so defeated
*Beware* Saying it too much too fast may end up in a beheading...
Emos must love this video
This video was amazing. As soon as the U.2 port didn't work the first time, I was willing the BIOS flash to fail. At the end of the video I was as happy as Linus because it was great watching him so happy over this working!
"Surprise hotplug"... is that what they call it now?
That's what my mother would call it. She's not a techie.
I really don't want to know what you were doing to your mother when she used that term.
Did the computer give consent for this suprise hotplug
+Linus tech Tips, if you want to PROPERLY test whether Windows is the issue, then hibernate the computer before swapping hardware. Windows will return to its previous state upon bootup and will be surprised to see new hardware (or missing hardware). Then you can see whether Windows copes or panics.
Shawn Elliott
It will panic if the hardware screams at it...
@@cezarcatalin1406 Well that's fair tbh, I imagine I'd panic if my PC started screaming at me
"I confess I haven't done a ton of research coming in to this".... this is all you need to know.
Edward Scrase
#rtfm
"Go ahead and cut"
*-LinusCuttingTips*
WHY NO SLI, i would be very interested to see how the Titan would respond to have a bridge added and having SLI enabled ?
"The system crashed again"
Me: *YOU NEED PROTOGENT*
As someone that has programmed a PCI kernel module before this hurts to watch.
What exactly about it bothers you?
Windows is so very much not hot plug capable with PCIE...it’s in the standard but it’s basically pretty much unsupported because it’s a royal bastard to write a driver that doesn’t just shoot the whole system.
OverKillPlusOne Surely this video disproves that or would it take longer for the instability to manifest?
Also, about the ps2 thing,I shorted my mobo hot swapping like that. The ps2 port never worked again
ps2 is not hot swappable im pretty sure
Its like one GIANT blooper reel. Lmao
"go ahead and cut" was what my parents said to the rabbi
I take it from the 5000 comments exactly like this one, that this is the week's trendy meme,
Eki that's extra
This video made me LOL. The signal-test screens between each "cut" were a nice effect.
Safely remove hardware? What's that?
tnnss111 wizard skills, thats what it is
and i remember a time where you had to reboot your pc before plugging a mouse ...
+Untitled: You still do. The fact that it's now often mounted with 'sync' option so all operations are not over-buffered and GUI shows their actual write progress instead of in-RAM write buffer's state DOESN'T mean that it will not get fried because you've decided to fiddle with it while it was powered.
3:00 totally me
SAME
Racka Nurdin when u forget to upgrade from windows xp
hahahahahaha "Did you RTFM?" hahahahahaha
Racka Nurdin Do you know what motherboard is that. The one he's using on the video?
This is pretty good news for repair shops the need to test parts a lot. Nice and easy, just plug it in and immediately know whether it's dead or not.
chipmonk434 ohh get outta here with your plausible use case.
Well it would certainly speed things up if the part was working. But would you really trust this method to determine that a piece of hardware was dead?
If it became a stable and supported feature on future boards... yeah... why not?
It's been available with server class motherboards for more than ten years, and before that it was possible with PCI cards. I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the first PCI-E specs.
Manufacturers don't want to enable this for consumer cards as every time you plug a board in doing it "free hand", like Linus did it in the video, there is a chance you either misaligned it, dropped the card, touch a nearby card or short circuit something on the motherboard by touching it with the bracket.
In servers where the hot swap capability is enabled they usually separate the cards using plastic dividers so you can't short out a neighboring card, and card guides that attach to the card and then slides into guides built into the chassis making sure the card is going straight down into the slot. As the card guides has to align the card exactly they have to be designed for each card, making it impossible to have one for every card out there. So they will only make these for a small subset of controllers sold by the server manufacturer, and any use of a card not on this list will invalidate any warranty or service contract with the server manufacturer.
I love your wince as you plug/unplug things, and then at the end your sheer stunned glee when it finally works. Definitely a kindred spirit.
Now we just need Hot Swappable RGB lighting
just unplug your rgb light strippes, and plug them back in. they are just lights
Ikeyy Boyy You deserve an r/whoooooosh as well for missing the r/ smartiepants!
Linus be like "Oh? New graphics card? I'll just plug this in while playing crisis, no big deal!"
K Teo hot swap sli
...need...more...frames...*slots in new graphics card*...there we go!
try to hot swap the power supply
HAAHAHHA
That's actually possible in systems with redundant PSUs
Servers have multiple PSUs
lmao I love how Linus' shirt changes like 4 times during this
Notpoop
Five if you count the intro
Shirt hot-swap, eh
First half of the video: But why?????
Second half of the video: Holy sh!t that's cool!
I mean....it IS cool but why? XD
as a system builder that is amazing. You can test hardware so much faster that way on a known good bench instead of the constant power off and on steps that you do normally. Just plug and play.
PCIe was designed to be hotswapable ... and it actually works fine on most motherboards, however Windows does not generally support it, but do check out the kernel options in Linux. (again make sure the option is enabled in the kernel!)
The biggest issue is plugging in the cards straight as to not short circuit.
So, the moral of the story is to RTFM?
More like "RTFM and WYAWI later".
And afterwards he has the gall to say no one ever gotten anywhere reading manuals. But I never do neither
I came down to the comments to find these acronyms.
The sound Linus makes every time hot-(un-)plugging a card 😂😂😂 LMAO!
Fun drinking game, take a shot every time Linus says "cut"
Aviator I dunno if anyone here is lookin to die or not
“Fun”
I tried your fun game. I woke up in a Russian prison. I live in Canada. I think I might have blacked out.
sooooooo drunk right now!
Do you WANT people to die?
It seems to me that this functionality would be great for mission critical servers... and some random, internet famous, doofus... (Love ya, Linus.) Everyone else... Ehhh... not so much.
I'm thinking optimus like abilities for more laptop functionalities
Jack Linde
Lol
I don't have hardware that can hot-swap PCIe, but I've hot-swapped SATA drives on many occasions. As long as it's not the boot drive, Windows either notes that it's gone, or does nothing (it does require a "scan hardware" request to see it) when plugging one in.
Oh my fucking God if I could swap Pcie devices in my servers without rebooting I would cry a tear of joy... I'm looking into this
Jack Linde don't like the thought of the alpha bios though...
"see I can prove that the hardware is not in there"
That sounds like the sentence spoken in a courtroom...
"it's realy cool
BSOD"
The story of my life.
Uh-oh!
Predicting at least one drop in the video.
i expect at least 10
I'll take it!
This video should be rather called "go 'head n cut"
Imagine a cpu that is hot-swappable ⚡️
That should be a video!
I assume this is only for servers with 2 cpus lol XD.
I've had the pleasure to install a system with full redundancy. It was a storage array combining SSDs and HHDs to form one big volume, and if one of the CPU would fail, the system would switch on the other one. The same happens for network cards, PSU and... Well... all other components. This is super awesome for system updates, were you don't even have to turn off your production system!
Oh, and the whole thing was running on Linux.
Uhh Hot Swap Power supplies already a thing if you have 2 Power Supplies installed
MODULAR COMPONENTS!
I love the music on this. The rhythm perfectly coincides with the BSODs. :D
If Bill Gates had a penny for every time we got a blue screen... -oh wait. He does.
???
Really ?
Haha Good one. lol
blue screen? didn´t get one since Win 10 ... what are you all doing :O
Sascha Quagmire Did you even watch the video
Next episode on Fast As Possible: How to prevent breaking everything by enabling PCI-E Hotplug
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RashMatash kyaaaaa
Done?
“Gaaaa rughyughgggh heck yea!”
Thanks for that. lol
"These sluts" :v
This has got to be one of my favorite videos