Rock 5B: Powerful RK3588 SBC

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  • Rock 5B RK3588 single board computer review, including hardware specification, and demos running Debian and Android. Also drive speed tests and Kdenlive rendering test, and experiments with the HDMI input. :)
    The Rock 5B shown in this video was purchased from Radxa (via AllNet) as part of the board’s pre-order discount code scheme. You can learn more about the Rock 5B on the Radxa website here: wiki.radxa.com/Rock5/5b
    My earlier review of the Rock 3A is here:
    • Rock 3A: Dual M.2 ARM ...
    And the video in which I ran the Kdenlive rendering tests for the Raspberry Pi 4 and Khadas VIM4 is here:
    • Khadas VIM 4: Powerful...
    The M.2 drive speed and Kdenlive rendering tests for the LattePanda 3 Delta are in included my review of the board here:
    • LattePanda 3 Delta: Po...
    And my test of the M.2 drive speed on the Odroid M1 is part of my review of the board here:
    • Odroid M1: Bootable SA...
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    Chapters:
    00:00 Introduction
    00:46 Unboxing
    02:55 RK3588 Power (specification)
    07:14 Cooler & Drives
    09:41 Debian (inc drive speed tests)
    14:40 Desktop Apps (inc Kdenlive test)
    17:05 HDMI Input
    18:47 Android
    #Rock5B #RK3588 #ExplainingComputers
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  • @Aruneh
    @Aruneh ปีที่แล้ว +133

    I wish SBC makers could agree on common things so we could have standard Linux support and not have to use manufacturer provided images with spotty support at best.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Yes, an ARM SBC standard would be nice.

    • @davocc2405
      @davocc2405 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Closest I have seen is Armbian. I would prefer they outsourced to them by funding their operation, I find theirs the best solution for my Rock64.

    • @davocc2405
      @davocc2405 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Tony that's good to hear - I would hope they move towards that trend. I remember Pine having all sorts of trouble and relying on their community far far far too much (I believe it's even worse for other boards), they should be actively supporting and helping them at the very very least. I read an in-depth discussion on how recalcitrant the makers of the Rockchip were at the time about driver support and even basic details for the development of Linux support for their chips, they were expecting nothing beyond basic Android and that's it which is a bit disappointing.

    • @mskiptr
      @mskiptr ปีที่แล้ว +29

      The problem isn't in lack of standards. It's because vendors make crappy drivers and don't mainline stuff.
      It's all because of this attitude: Let's quickly hack it together. It barely works? Ship it!
      If they focused on the SoC support in mainline U-Boot, mainline Linux, etc. instead of doing all this Board Support Package bs, the world would be a better place. You could just install any arm distro and run it securely for the next 20+ years
      (thankfully the community does some of that work instead)

    • @AltCutTV
      @AltCutTV ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wish the same was true for phones.

  • @esra_erimez
    @esra_erimez ปีที่แล้ว +82

    This board seems to check all the boxes for a nice ARM development workstation: RAM size, NVMe, and form factor. Nice!

    • @alles_muss_anders_werden
      @alles_muss_anders_werden ปีที่แล้ว

      I fully agree ! 👍

    • @thewiirocks
      @thewiirocks ปีที่แล้ว +6

      NVMe on 4x PCI Express lanes with 2.5GBps Ethernet is a serious game changer.

    • @mihuhih2186
      @mihuhih2186 ปีที่แล้ว

      so it's time for Raspberry Pi 5 ; )

    • @thewiirocks
      @thewiirocks ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mihuhih2186 No joke. I’ve been investigating Pi 4 Compute Modules with a Waveshare carrier board. That gives me 1Gig Ethernet and an M.2 drive on a 1x PCI Express bus. Which really isn’t bad for the price. But it can’t hold a candle to this 4x integrated board. Problem is that we still can’t get Pi 4 supplies, so no idea where the Pi 5 will come from. I’ve never even seen a Pi Zero 2, despite having a pile of the originals.

    • @mihuhih2186
      @mihuhih2186 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thewiirocks what I mean is that shortly after Rock Pi 4B (4GB RAM, 4+2 cores rockchip debit card SOC) Raspberry Pi 4 was created. Now we see Rock 5 with 16GB of RAM, so probably we will see something like Raspberry Pi 5 with 16GB of RAM

  • @JeriDro
    @JeriDro ปีที่แล้ว +3

    English people are so good at presenting and explaining, I find the best speakers to be either British or from the US.

  • @sbc_tinkerer
    @sbc_tinkerer ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I also timed it brilliantly badly. At the stroke of video notification... the kettle started whistling.

  • @MicrobyteAlan
    @MicrobyteAlan ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Very interesting SBC. Thanks as always. Stanley and Mr in a single episode. Watch for a Falcon heavy launch maybe Tuesday.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Thanks for this -- I has not been keeping up with the rocket. Fingers crossed for this time.

  • @Poifix
    @Poifix ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Very much enjoyable watching you fiddle around with computers as usual.
    Even though I'm not that into SBCs or Linux I still enjoy learning about tech. And there is something soothing about your content. Please don't change to much my good Sir. ❤

  • @Josh10976
    @Josh10976 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This seems to be an amazing board! Will consider for future projects.

  • @FritzPinguin
    @FritzPinguin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your emphasized "very soon" at the very end of every video, which makes me come back for each and every of your fantastic videos. Keep up the great work, please! 👍👍👍 Greetings from Thailand

  • @liontuga155
    @liontuga155 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looks like a solid piece of hardware. That video “inception” at the end was a nice touch, Chris.

  • @darlakim5120
    @darlakim5120 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As always, enjoying your Sunday videos. It’s certainly interesting to note how far we’ve come from when the RPi-4b was first introduced, and ARM processors in this space was primarily educational and experimental. But this is the foundation of innovation and adoption. I think it’s wonderful to see so many other companies furthering the drive towards SBCs on ARM architecture, and appreciate how your videos highlight this progress. Thanks again! -d

    • @dang48
      @dang48 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed.

  • @treshanremolano159
    @treshanremolano159 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great simple transition in the end - from desktop to your camera view!

  • @richcurtin9540
    @richcurtin9540 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video, this is a fantastic board now manufactured and distributed by OKdo and the team that used to manufacture & distribute Raspberry Pi so great to see such good progress on software and expect good availability globally 🎉

  • @Urosaurus
    @Urosaurus ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another powerful SBC, thanks for the great review.

  • @AraceaeFanatics
    @AraceaeFanatics ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A very nice option and I have already thought of many uses for this board.

  • @mysticmarble94
    @mysticmarble94 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That 4k@60fps hdmi input is a really interesting feature 😮

    • @SikSlayer
      @SikSlayer ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The new Amazon Fire TV Cube 3rd Gen caught my eye because of that as well, but I'd rather SBCs with this functionality than an expensive locked down Amazon bastardized locked down Android OS clone. And this is from someone whose Amazon Alexa is his smart home brand of choice.

  • @puerlatinophilus3037
    @puerlatinophilus3037 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love that you made a direct performance comparison to other SBCs. I once asked for it and you delivered. And I love it! It really gives me a way to compare it to my Pi and see what I should expect from it. From the bottom of my heart: thank you! Your content is unique, enlightening and very helpful.
    One thing I'd love to see in the future: A CPU benchmark that focuses on producing single-threaded and multi-threaded performance numbers. I think sysbench is a great tool for that.
    But I don't want to bother you with suggestions. Your content is already wonderful as is :)

    •  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sysbench would be great, so others (we here) can compare system in video to our systems ...

  • @samaitcheson7057
    @samaitcheson7057 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks Chris.
    Definitely interested in that HDMI input. Might make some old video tech smart.
    Please keep us updated.

  • @Quemedices684
    @Quemedices684 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    As Raspberry continues to be unavailable for the average user, it’s good to see such a good review of alternatives. Let’s see if other SBC takes the place of Raspberry

    •  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, and pricewise and availability are alternatives better now too... Hopefully some miracle will happen to Raspberry foundation, or they will end up bad. Competition is catching quickly.

    • @gdutfulkbhh7537
      @gdutfulkbhh7537 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes - Raspberry Pi Foundation seem to have lost the plot and I’m not particularly excited at the prospect of paying 3x RRP to get hold of a three year old Pi 4...so maybe Rock 5B is the answer.

    • @simons.5442
      @simons.5442 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gdutfulkbhh7537 don't fall for the trap Hardware is only half part of the story. You'll eat your shoes when it comes to find a Distro that stays Rolling ... or you'll be stuck with a 5 year old 18.04 "LTS" customly backed in no time ...

  • @Rod_Knee
    @Rod_Knee ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The trend seems to be lack of software support with non-RPi SBC's, especially when they're new. For example, I was unsurprised that there is no GPU acceleration under Debian, and the awful performance of the video capture under Debian. I'd be keen to buy a Rock 5B, if and when we see solid open source drivers for all the included hardware.
    Another great video Chris, much appreciated.

    • @sprockkets
      @sprockkets ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's why I'm just going to go with a small odroid h3 because the intel gpu is supported fine in Linux. More energy, more noise, but more performance, and you don't need a special distro to work with it.

    • @Rod_Knee
      @Rod_Knee ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sprockkets The H3+ looks pretty good. I used a couple of H2's in the past for a customer, they're ticking away nicely.

    • @goranjosic
      @goranjosic ปีที่แล้ว

      The main feature of this board is 6 TOPS NPU, especially now when there is a shortage of chips and this board is available for purchase (running neural network over video feed/sensor data and similar)

    • @davidlloyd1526
      @davidlloyd1526 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The difference is that Raspberry Pis all eventually do get good Linux support. With other cards, it's a roll of the dice. This video is misleading in not testing with "vanilla Linux". In two years, the manufacturer will stop updating their custom images, and that's all you'll get.

    • @sprockkets
      @sprockkets ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@davidlloyd1526 It's 2022 and it still doesn't have gpu video rendering OOB. And isn't good for Kodi and multi channel sound last I checked.

  • @francis400
    @francis400 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is good to see you Mr. Scissors, you are looking sharp!

  • @PeterJasper
    @PeterJasper ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for a great review of another SBC. It is early days, but the Rock 5B appears very capable and having an HDMI input should be useful. Looking forward to support for other OSs including Linux Mint. 🖥

  • @g-r-a-e-m-e-
    @g-r-a-e-m-e- ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting, and the board is great value. Thanks. Nice to see the sitting down segment!

  • @brianwood5220
    @brianwood5220 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Chris looks a very capable little SBC. Thanks for sharing

  • @ArniesTech
    @ArniesTech ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great little SBC. Thanks for the much needed sunday Entertainment/education 💪🙏

  • @perrymcclusky4695
    @perrymcclusky4695 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    First time I heard of a 'Pico-ITX Form-factor'. This is another impressive SBC. I like the way the development of SBC's are heading. Looking forward to your next video!

    • @youtwobe3507
      @youtwobe3507 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pico-ITX has been around since 2007, but it might be seeing a resurgence right now. SBC makers are figuring out that the smaller Pi Model B form factor is too restrictive now that so much I/O and other features are being added, like M.2 2280 slots. The Pi Model B is both too large (e.g. Compute Module or Zero make for thinner handhelds or Pi-tops) and too small (not enough room for better I/O, more difficulty in designing the PCB).

    • @perrymcclusky4695
      @perrymcclusky4695 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@youtwobe3507 Thank you for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it. What attracted me to the Raspberry Pi model B was its small size. What technology can be put into that size fascinates me. With bigger boards, I start to loose interest. With that being said, I’m impressed with the Pico-ITX size and find it’s size still small enough to fascinate me. I hope that form-factor catches on.

  • @c0mput3
    @c0mput3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've had mine on pre-order since Jan 2022. Glad to see that its as good as i hoped! Can't wait to receive mine

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think you will not be disappointed. A really solid board.

    • @G6DDX
      @G6DDX ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I didn’t pre-order until June so guess I will have a while to wait yet. Looks good though.

  • @kurtweber162
    @kurtweber162 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir, I have not found a video of your that I have not liked, and learned from , Thanks for the posts and keep[ up the great work.

  • @WSallai
    @WSallai ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Congratulations on achieving 400-videos!🎉

  • @firebear14
    @firebear14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice video! Would definitely like to see some more videos about this board once the software stabilises a bit more.

  • @fram1111
    @fram1111 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like a balanced computer with its pros and cons. Thank you for another great review.

  • @dakzer55
    @dakzer55 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Got my 15GB Rock Pi 5b from Allnet today. Installed ubuntu, and apart from a problem with hdmi sound which needs changing after a reboot, and the GPU hardware acceleration not working, everything else is pretty good and stable. And despite the voltage ratings, can be run using 5V, for general use, and even works with raspberry pi accessories such as the waveshare UPS. Fantastic bit of kit, and is really well built. The metal case is rock solid, and I am pretty sure it would survive an earthquake. Appears that the GPIO 40 pin is similar to raspberry pi, which means other raspberry pi accessories could work with it. A great buy, I am glad I went for the Rock Pi over the Orange Pi, as their support forums, is pretty good for resolving any issues.

  • @doq
    @doq ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a lovely SBC. It could very well be a powerful small server or home automation hub. Can't wait for DietPi to arrive for it!

  • @legojenn
    @legojenn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the overview. This appears to be the closest SBC that you've reviewed to a general purpose computer. As you mentioned, the software is lagging. I look forward to the future of this and other related devices.

  • @stanpotter7764
    @stanpotter7764 ปีที่แล้ว

    My Sunday is now complete. Thank you, mate! 🤜🏻🤛🏻

  • @erlend9672
    @erlend9672 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very interesting, I think many are looking at alternatives for the Raspberry pi. Not only for supply but also Raspberry Pi 4 is three years old already

  • @johncundiff7075
    @johncundiff7075 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice job Explaining Computers!! You do it well!!

  • @muhhuh2
    @muhhuh2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantastic video, I love watching your content!

  • @CCoburn3
    @CCoburn3 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    It's good to see full-sized HDMI connectors. It looks like a good board. I really wish they had a version of Mint for SBCs.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Mint for SBC would be 👍

    • @bertvantol9669
      @bertvantol9669 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      or even Voyager OS which had a great App Launcher

    • @paulstubbs7678
      @paulstubbs7678 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or Ubuntu

    • @voyager4328
      @voyager4328 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bertvantol9669
      Yes! yes I Had .. 😉

    • @SomeOne-rh5so
      @SomeOne-rh5so ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You take my mind, but even Deb not bad at all - you can customise it, also impressed that it works vs only 4 GB ram, this SBC first pay my attention.

  • @Rick-vm8bl
    @Rick-vm8bl ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really nice SBC here, the input options are great, 2.5Gb ethernet very welcome, and the HDMI input could be a fantastic feature to have if they can sort out the framerate issues!

  • @sbc_tinkerer
    @sbc_tinkerer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice job again sir! Judging from this video I will most likely take advantage of my own $5 reservation discount for this board. Thank you!

  • @chromerims
    @chromerims ปีที่แล้ว +1

    An intriguing and attractive SBC 👍 Kindest thanks.

  • @rogerkoh1979
    @rogerkoh1979 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A powerful SBC indeed. Nice 👍

  • @erlinglorentsen4262
    @erlinglorentsen4262 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Software & drivers. The nemesis of sbc.

  • @gedgicat2063
    @gedgicat2063 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting video, the future is starting to look up for sbc's

  • @Bashar_Adamah
    @Bashar_Adamah ปีที่แล้ว

    I miss you my friend... I hope to you have a great weekend. Thanks So much for introduce your products...

  • @joeg3950
    @joeg3950 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like it. However, the price point is above what I will pay at the moment. Thorough and great content - as usual. Also, production quality is fantastic. Thank you. Cheers

  • @Josh10976
    @Josh10976 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A new video on another fine Sunday morning.

  • @Praxibetel-Ix
    @Praxibetel-Ix ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good morning, Chris! And a happy early Halloween to you and everyone else here. I actually smuggled my breakfast to my room to watch this! A hoopy piece of thinking? You can say that. It was worth the risk! 🤣
    Anyway, the Rock 5B is certainly a fast SBC! I was impressed to see it fare better on the drive speed test than the Odroid and the LattePanda 3 Delta. And of course, it really made my day to see both Stanley and Mr. Scissors assisting with opening the packaging.
    Oh, by the way, congratulations to you and the Pico W robot for getting an article on the Raspberry Pi site! 🥳

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for this -- and I'm glad you say the Pico robot article. :)

    • @Praxibetel-Ix
      @Praxibetel-Ix ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ExplainingComputers You're welcome! I came across Raspberry Pi's tweet about the article the other day and it was a nice little write-up. I'm pretty proud of you. :)

  • @Behnam_Moghaddam
    @Behnam_Moghaddam ปีที่แล้ว

    got mine on it's way - even more excited now... thanks! :)

  • @bluehornet6752
    @bluehornet6752 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like a nice little ARM-based SBC.
    On suggestion for you to consider for your future SBC reviews, CB: Whether or not an SBC manufacturer makes available a Yocto recipe for their product. I never used to consider this factor, but recently ran into a situation where I purchased two LattePanda 3 Delta boards for a flight simulation-based project I've been working on. Come to find out that there's no Yocto-based BSP from DFRobot for it, which would me substantially more work. So I researched things further and discovered that Seeed Studios offers one for their Odyssey x86 board, so I purchased two of their J4125-based boards to use on this project instead of the LP3d board. An added bonus was that the Odyssey board also uses a 32-bit ARM-based secondary processor (running at 48MHz) , instead of the 8-bit AVR-based processor running at 16 MHz on the DFRobot board. Not a huge issue, but the added speed/capabilities of the Seeed Studio Odyssey board made it even easier to choose.
    A great video though, and I'll definitely keep this SBC in mind if I need an ARM-based board moving forward. Its performance looks very good. I really love your channel. Next to Mick Make (who sadly doesn't seem to be making videos any longer), I find your SBC-related content to be *very* helpful to keep me up to date with what's out there in the SBC world.

  • @JesusMartinez-mk8tb
    @JesusMartinez-mk8tb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting product for A.I. things.
    Hope we can see soon an ARM SBC with PCIE for external GPU units.

  • @williama29
    @williama29 ปีที่แล้ว

    a single board computer is always exciting and best to see i like single board computers

  • @SchoolforHackers
    @SchoolforHackers ปีที่แล้ว

    Sparing use of thermal compound: Brilliant!

  • @boboften9952
    @boboften9952 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another Brilliant Video
    Thank you Sir

  • @kostasgiagidis
    @kostasgiagidis ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr Christopher as suggestion if you can look it for consideration it will be nice to use phoronix test suite when you testing that boards. it will give us more spherical view about their performance and you can compare it with other similar boards. it will be nice addition to your wonderful and useful videos. maybe it will add some more time in the videos that but will help us more. i want to thank you from my part for the great work you do for all of us :)

  • @sebastianutrap1224
    @sebastianutrap1224 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video with this new SBC! I myself got one with 16GB RAM as my daiily office desktop replacement. My Raspberry Pi 4 is going to be replaced soon!. You should mention that on delivery the Rock 5 doesn't boot from NVMe and flashing the SPI is necessary. It was well documented on Raxda homepage. Also to mention is that the cooler is a bit cheap... my own hangs sometimes and need a push to start working.. Anyway it seems the passive cooling solution to be a better variant to choose... I hope the armbian gets support up in the main release soon as only gpu support seems to be buggy... Anyway its a great SBC with very low power consumption of about 10 watts with a NVMe drive! The performance is ok for office on a 4k monitor with 60hz too! Exyctly what I wished for in a Raspi 5!

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for this. I did not try M.2 booting -- yet! :) I see that they sell a very nice passive cooler and top/base "case" now.

  • @dang48
    @dang48 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks great. When time and finances permit, I'll be purchasing one and experimenting with it.
    And at the 10 minute mark where the screen went black to show the output, I thought my computer crashed for a few seconds. 😅

  • @kjrchannel1480
    @kjrchannel1480 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have noticed the new Odroid H3. I like how powerful! and compact it is, but still pricey. I do like spdif jacks. It is nice to see Rockchip trying to be less Android centric.

  • @garygranato9164
    @garygranato9164 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hi chris , another great video review

  • @avejst
    @avejst ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always 👍
    Great find

  • @jimlynch9390
    @jimlynch9390 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Hi. Chris, thanks again for a very informative video. Given that this board doesn't make use of the GPU as do many of the boards you've reviewed in the past, I think it would be helpful to revisit some of those older boards to see if they ever were able to use the GPUs. It might give us a warm feeling (maybe not) that someday we would be able to make full use of one of these boards if we obtained one now. Conversely we may learn that they never took the time to complete the development before moving on to new projects.

    • @davidlloyd1526
      @davidlloyd1526 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pretty sure what you'll find is that the manufacturer stops supporting their custom Debian distro, and there'll be nothing that runs on them. That's why only reviews using *vanilla* Debian or Android are useful.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In most cases the answer is "no". Rockchip in particular make providing desktop Linux GPU support difficult -- Android in another thing.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @David Lloyd For ARM SBC hardware, reviews bsed on vanilla distros would be a complete waste of time. These boards are not based on a standard platform, so it is critical to have a distro ported to the board for driver support (audio, storage, etc). Imagine installing vanilla Debian on a Raspberry Pi, rather than Raspberry Pi OS (which is a Debian port from the Raspberry Pi themselves. These are not standard x86 computers. :)

    • @botfap
      @botfap ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@ExplainingComputers A lot of the ARM SBC's DO have GPU support under Linux, its just that its only under Wayland not X11. Some also have GPU support under X11 thanks to a 3rd party developer Alyssa at Collabora and the Panfrost driver. The Rock Pi 4 (RK3399) actually has pretty good GPU support under Linux now. The big problem is the OEM debian / ubuntu distros that the manufacturers release is generally of very poor quality and they dont put the work in to integrate the drivers nor do they upstream their code to the mainline Linux kernel so that they can be community maintained. Try Armbian instead of the OEM distros, its much higher quality than any of the OEM SBC distros. Rock Pi 5 GPU drivers are in development by Collabora but the OEM distros will never bother to package them. They are only concerned with selling hardware, they never put money into developing the software side. The Android drivers come direct from ARM, the OEM's have no input in this, thats why they are usually available at launch. Sadly ARM​ decided to stop development of its Linux drivers in 2015 which is why we have this driver mess in the ARM SBC world

    • @josephgospa4031
      @josephgospa4031 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      GPU HW acceleration on linux desktop works from day one on Rock5B. Rockchip Provided Blob GPU driver for it. Ubuntu Jammy/Gnome/Panfrost(panfork) is what works better on Rock5b. TH-cam works amazingly well with Chromium and Firefox browsers.

  • @revietech5052
    @revietech5052 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    It would be good to see a test of the NPU capabilities. Maybe some kind of object detection test. I'm guessing the hdmi input could used there.
    Great video as usual.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +33

      HDMI input + NPU. A great idea for a future test. Noted!

    • @franke5478
      @franke5478 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ExplainingComputers Could you do an power consumption test with no load and high load in the next video with this board? Thank you. 🙂

    • @TheDavidPoole
      @TheDavidPoole ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ExplainingComputers could be good for your mini-tank robot. Give it some autonomy. And a nerf gun.

    • @LivingLinux
      @LivingLinux ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Tony Mekotronics uploaded a video with their RK3588 device and TensorFlow on Android.

    • @Reziac
      @Reziac ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@franke5478 I think that would be generally good info for all these SBCs.

  • @anon_y_mousse
    @anon_y_mousse ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is pretty cool. Once they fully develop the Linux drivers this could be used as a TV recorder. I have been looking for a new DVR, this seems like eventually it'll give me the flexibility I want.

  • @kychemclass5850
    @kychemclass5850 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great. 8Gb and 16Gb on a SBC. Finally, someone understands SBC's for the modern world (as a viable computer for daily use/tasks)

  • @TechExploresNYC
    @TechExploresNYC ปีที่แล้ว

    nice overview, I'm still waiting for mine...

  • @ITGuyinaction
    @ITGuyinaction ปีที่แล้ว +13

    🤔🤔🤔🤔 Interesting that nowadays we have almost everything in one chip (not counting those "small helping" integrated circuits) while "similar" 8-bit or 16-bit devices some years ago needed many "big" chips... Very good video! As always on your channel! 👍👍👍

    • @fattomandeibu
      @fattomandeibu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My old A1200, which is a 32-bit machine from 1992, I've been restoring it recently, and when I opened it to replace the dying hard disk with a SD card to IDE adapter, it was amazing the amount of big chips there were on there. CPU, PPU, sound chip, I/O chip, 2 mask ROMS(one with the hardware drivers, the other with the OS), 4 RAMs, disk controller and a few others I wasn't sure on. It was pretty well crammed.

    • @ITGuyinaction
      @ITGuyinaction ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fattomandeibu Exactly! That's another world!

  • @ThomasBrisco
    @ThomasBrisco ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice content, as always! I appreciate the side-by-side performance comparisons. With the RPi still going for well over the pre-pandemic price - I'm looking for pi alternatives. Would a "raspberry pi replacement" be a good episode?
    I watch for your new videos each week, and appreciate the quality and time you put into these great videos!

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good video idea, noted. :)

    • @DonjiKong
      @DonjiKong ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, this is a huge problem for me. I’m looking for a new tinkering computer, and I love the community support for it. I’m a bit afraid of the rock5b because I’m not sure if I’ll be able to set things up properly. What it like installing Linux? Does it only work with Debian?

  • @m8harry
    @m8harry ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant video, well done!

  • @lilblackduc7312
    @lilblackduc7312 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, Professor! 🇺🇸 😎👍☕

  • @Dimythios
    @Dimythios ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the VERY FEW tech sites that I trust.

  • @ChipGuy
    @ChipGuy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That board design is very good. You can just mount it on the back of any housing and you got access to all the I/O port. I wrote almost the same comment to a similar board you reviewed a while ago.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There is a move towards this "Pico-ITX" form-factor, which is a good thing. :)

    • @ChipGuy
      @ChipGuy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ExplainingComputers Totally agree!

  • @PS_Tube
    @PS_Tube ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Greetings Chris ! It's always nice to see the reviews of emergency PC replacement boards. This one, the Rock 5 seems promising except for the few kinks here and there.
    Noticing by time of upload, DST has come into effect perhaps ?

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, the clocks changed in the UK last night -- we are back on GMT now.

  • @cbtillery135
    @cbtillery135 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You could use one of the m.2 slots with an external GPU to speed up video hardware acceleration, and probably also have drivers for video hardware acceleration too.

  • @jaffarbh
    @jaffarbh ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Amazing. Once again we have a powerful hardware but the limitations are on the software side, i.e. lack of GPU acceleration in Linux and OBS-like capturing app on Android. This means these lovely SBCs remain specialist tools and can't quite become true desktop replacement... yet.

    • @davidlloyd1526
      @davidlloyd1526 ปีที่แล้ว

      The review is flawed as it doesn't test with vanilla Linux. You don't want to be at the mercy of the manufacturer discontinuing their custom Linux images...

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The review is not flawed. For ARM SBC hardware, reviews based on vanilla distros would be a complete waste of time. These boards are not based on a standard platform, so it is critical to have a distro ported to the board for driver support (audio, storage, etc). Imagine installing vanilla Debian on a Raspberry Pi, rather than Raspberry Pi OS (which is a Debian port from the Raspberry Pi themselves. These are not standard x86 computers. :)

    • @josephgospa4031
      @josephgospa4031 ปีที่แล้ว

      GPU HW acceleration on linux desktop works from day one on Rock5B. Rockchip Provided Blob GPU driver for it. Ubuntu Jammy/Gnome/Panfrost(panfork) is what works better on Rock5b. TH-cam works amazingly well with Chromium and Firefox browsers. It will just get better.

  • @2intouch
    @2intouch ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting, greetings from Jamaica 🇯🇲

  • @kattz753
    @kattz753 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Always interesting to see the latest SBC. Rockchip boards first appeared in the Android/Android TV boxes (aka Kodi boxes). They were always considered inferior to the AMLogic based boards and were the budget option. I am always surprised at the way these Rockchip based SBCs seem to struggle with video considering that there ancestors were sold specifically to play video. It was also surprising to see the fan spin up as soon as Android was loaded. You would think that they would know how to optimize Android by now.
    I would like to see AMLogic make a board like this. It would be an excellent general purpose small PC.

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could be that the OS forces the BIOS to pin the fan to full no matter what, and that the board is actually quite comfortable with the workload. Just a thought.

  • @erikshahverdyan2748
    @erikshahverdyan2748 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your last words very much.

  • @CHGOfficial512
    @CHGOfficial512 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The moment i saw the thumbnail I was like "Screw the raspberry pc, I'm getting this one asap"

  • @gerardgauthier4876
    @gerardgauthier4876 ปีที่แล้ว

    I usually hate sites that review new hardware. I hate listening to these professionals read the hardware press kit back to the viewers(Mac is the worst for this) but this site is a nice departure from that... Good job explaining computers... Explaining Computers!

  • @ahmad-murery
    @ahmad-murery ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I came here and found only 3 comments and 16 views, and for a while I thought maybe this is my chance to be in the 4th position, but then I quickly realized that I'm here for the content 💯🚀👍 so why wasting time to claim a position 🤔
    anyway, the first think came to my mind when I saw the laptop screen through HDMI input was what if we can remote that laptop through the HDMI cable only? (I know this is silly but it's just me trying to find some use-cases for what I saw),
    Great video as expected,
    Thanks Chris,

  •  ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I see all this sbc computers and think: "i can get a QuadCore Lenovo w530 or a full blown t430 for this ..."
    Raspberry was really a fresh air in this market that is now filled with scalpers.

  • @AMDRADEONRUBY
    @AMDRADEONRUBY ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The RK3588 is a good processor and it's a nice board too I need one so bad now

  • @EmmanuelNyachokeAchachi
    @EmmanuelNyachokeAchachi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have ordered 3 of these with 16GB RAM can't wait to run K8s on them.

  • @scottnoble5022
    @scottnoble5022 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just got mine yesterday, have tried Debian , Armbian and Ubuntu images from Radxa’s site and Armbian. So far no luck with Wi-Fi working… had minimal issues with the Radxa zero I got last year. Will keep trying.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว

      Which WiFi adapter are you using?

    • @scottnoble5022
      @scottnoble5022 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ExplainingComputersNo antenna installed, maybe that’s my issue…. *slaps forehead*

  • @byteater1
    @byteater1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Chris for another great video, explaining a new board. Could you test the 2.5G ethernet to see the speeds, this can be interesting since the most boards have the 1G one. Thanks , and good work .

  • @SuperDavidEF
    @SuperDavidEF ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm fairly certain that M.2 retainer screw is going to be a metric screw sized M3. I had to find one to install an M.2 drive in a laptop and I believe that's what size screw I finally found that fit.

  • @dcc1165
    @dcc1165 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Those HDMI ports are in the "Gee, I wish I thought of that" category. It's a simple idea and absolute genius to mount them vertically instead of horizontally...This has the effect of providing more room on the (already big) SBC. I'm also interested to see if you can do actual video capture. I have a TON of old VHS tapes (my own stuff I recorded off the air) that I'd love to capture, but I didn't like any of the products I tried in the past.

    •  ปีที่แล้ว

      Well you can always have 2 micro HDMI, which are perfect in my opinion.

  • @RoboNuggie
    @RoboNuggie ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Seems to be a nice little board..... could be a dedicated streaming device, a music streamer, a video capture box or a transcoding box.... hmmm...
    Let's hope the overall prices fall to their previous lows, as this is really hampering uptake of them for all except the most dedicated of tinkerers....
    Thanks Chris, excellent as always. 'Till next time, be safe!

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed, and agreed . . . and agreed! :) I am hoping for new SBCs in the Pi price range again in 2023. And in this context, I am very pleased to report that the next, true SBC I'll look at here will be the VisionFive 2 RISC-V board, that is costing me £51.43 (about $60) including shipping. :)

    • @RoboNuggie
      @RoboNuggie ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ExplainingComputers Really!? Excellent.. As Yoda might say, "looking forward to it, I am..."

  • @arthodart4712
    @arthodart4712 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Greetings from the US!

  • @OverWilliam
    @OverWilliam ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, thank you Chris. Are there any interesting applications for old Android phones? I'd love to see a video about repurposing an old, perfectly functional Android phone for some sort of home lab or around the house IOT purpose. Just to keep the little thing out of the landfill.

  • @qzorn4440
    @qzorn4440 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow great rock video. It was hobby fun when SBCs were around $50 like RPi and smallish. now SBC price and learning curve? thanks for the wonderful demo video. 😎

  • @joegee2815
    @joegee2815 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the innovation in this market. I've stopped buying every interesting SBC as I have quite a number that I'm not using. I'll wait until they start competing head to head as a true desktop/laptop replacement. They are close, very close.

  • @Colin_Ames
    @Colin_Ames ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems to be a very capable board, hardware-wise. Hopefully software will get even better.

    • @zlac
      @zlac ปีที่แล้ว

      I wonder how good it can emulate, maybe full speed N64, PS1 and stuff

  • @ItsMeLah
    @ItsMeLah ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you Chris 👍

  • @rpavlik1
    @rpavlik1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Pretty neat, looks like it has a lot of potential. I think it's a little pricy compared to a used thin client but I am not sure of the performance comparison: how does the rk3588 compare to a gx415 (AMD) or maybe whatever Pentium/Atom chip they have in a Wyze/Dell 3050 thin client?

  • @carlosssandovallucas9326
    @carlosssandovallucas9326 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i allway falow your teching on computers i love how you teache

  • @keithmiller9665
    @keithmiller9665 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Chris, another interesting SBC video. I have recently become a great fan of the 11th gen Intel Pentium Gold 7505. I remember seeing one in your PC upgrade and I have one in a Chromebook. I would love to have one of those CPUs in a SFF PC. It would give me QSV video transcoding which is a great weakeness of these SBCs, i.e. no hardware video transcoding apart from possibly v4l2m2m. Price of this SBC is also too high. Better to look for a cheap NUC.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Keith. The Pentium Gold CPUs are indeed very nice. :)

  • @jamesbonds3232
    @jamesbonds3232 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’d be perfect review if you put an effort to evaluate NPU performance either with tensor or opencv. Btw good job on the explanation

  • @brianm6337
    @brianm6337 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I need a pi 4 replacement. That would do just fine. I hope I can lay hands on one possibly next year.

  • @clivewiddus3953
    @clivewiddus3953 ปีที่แล้ว

    The video was very interesting, I was surprised you were not using Mint being your favourite Linux distribution, I will say that for copyright reasons Debian doesn't have any of the driver files for a lot of devices, and you have to download them separately before external devices will work.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for this. The Rock 5B is an ARM SBC, and Linux Mint is x86 only, so it cannot run on the board. More broadly, as with all ARM SBCs, the board can only run distros for which an image has been specifically prepared for the board.
      The Debian driver issue has nothing to do with copyright. It is because there are no suitable drivers for the ARM SoC (the RK3588) that the Rock 5B uses. So hey cannot just be downloaded, as nobody has written them! :) This brings me back to the fact that this is a custom ARM SBC, not a generic x86 computer. And when it comes to running Linux, these are very different platforms.