You always have pretty good things to say about what cards you choose and why in your vids. Definitely fun to watch and see what other people use for builds. Thanks for the content yo.
Great video as always. On an unrelated note, I would love to see you on an episode of Game Knights or Extra Turns one day with an interesting build. Your channel is my favourite, followed by the Command Zone. Keep it up : )
Surveyor's Scope works best with Fetchlands or Karoo lands. Sac the fetch and then with the search on the stack sac Surveyor's Scope so it sees 1 less land.
Dowsing dagger is also pretty good if you can get through. Flips into a land that taps for three minor downside of giving an opponent a couple of small blockers but hey you can use the politics.
You just gave me an idea for an Ob Nixilis, the Fallen with those first 2 cards... Scorched Ruins will make me have less lands then others (most likely) then I can sac surveyor's scope for 3 basics into play UNTAPPED... 12 +1/+1 counters on him in a single turn without any other effects and that's pretty nasty. Love it 👌👌
Something I thought of with Surveyor's Scope: If you run a lot of fetchlands you could crack one or even a couple at the same time to artificially lower your land count, then crack the scope with the fetches on the stack to get 3 lands almost every time.
I would absolutely call each turn mana producing artefacts and creatures ramping, as you ca play eithef in addition to your one land per turn, and will perpetually accelerate your manabase. Yes, they are a lot more fragile than lands, but thas more of a side benefit of rampant growth, and cards with the same rules text, than its main point.
I agree with treasure tokens/rituals, but excluding mana rocks like Sol Ring, etc. seems like an oddly narrow definition of ramp. I do like Prismatic Lens and Caged Sun in mono-colored decks. Has anyone played with Ghirapur Orrery? Would cards like Helm of Awakening, Urza's Incubator, The Immortal Sun, or the medallions with cost reduction effects count as ramp?
Agreed. Although they are probably not 'technically' ramp, rocks and cost reducers do the same thing as ramp, but it's just less safe from boardwipes etc (same goes for dorks). Obviously land ramp is the best and safest, but rocks and reducers would still fit the same slots for me in a deck. Reducers can reduce multiple spells a turn as well which can be even better than having an extra land in some decks. But yeah I agree regarding rituals. Although if its a reliably repeatable ritual like Smothering Tithe, I would probably put that in a 'ramp slot' (If I could afford that card lol). I don't understand playing rocks in a deck with green though (except mana positive ones like sol ring) - land ramp is still the best I think.
I count all of them as ramp myself. Also.. i think even treasures can be ramp, if the effect that creates them happens regulary (not relevant because of color, but smothering tithe, or the annoying goblin pirate..) medallions with cost reduction are in som ecases much better ramp than any get another basic land into play..
i'm not excluding mana rocks as ramp necessarily. i just think it would be a completely separate list. the disclaimer was so that i didn't have 50 people in the comments saying "where's sol ring?"
Non-sacrifice mana rocks are definitely ramp as they will add an additional, permanent mana source that, like any other ramp, can get you ahead of the curve or catch up. E.g. arcane signet turn 2 will + land drop turn 3 yields same mana advantage as a rampant growth on turn 2. The difference is that you can lose that mana rock easier than a land but lands can also be destroyed.
@@edhdeckbuilding I know, and that is what I am commenting on. I think most players would/will argue that mana rocks are ramp. Can you elaborate to why you dont think they belong to mana ramp? As you state below and in the video: effects/spells that gets you only a temporary mana boost or adds a land to your hand are not ramp. That is fixing or temporary boost. But as I stated in my initial comment, mana rocks provide same advantage as classic ramp spells. Unless you define ramp to specifically getting you lands, not permanent mana sources. But that definition would then also eliminate mana dorks.
for me it's more about having a term to describe putting lands into play faster than one per turn. if you use the term ramp to also mean, mana rocks, mana dorks, treasure tokens and everything else, than what term do you use to just mean putting lands into play faster?
I played scaretiller in my aesi deck for a bit because I was always having lands in my hand as well as I run some “harrow” type cards and it triggers aesi, so it’s a great budget option for that deck. Good list overall👍
I also have an aesi deck, but I think scaretiller is a little slow there. In simic you have access to like a half dozen or more 1-2 mana creatures that just have a tap ability to put lands into play so you don't spend 4-mana on a one off activation, since a lot of the time it will die if it goes into combat.
Seems to be a lot of people mentioning cards in these comments that go and fetch lands and put them into your hand. While that is great, it isn't ramp. Ramp puts the lands onto the battlefield. Good card, just isn't ramp.
I do enjoy a Burnished Hart from time to time, but it can definitely be the unfortunate 6 colorless ramp spell, because some tables have you gambling if you can't give it hexproof or indestructible to protect it long enough to see it sacrificed. Treason effects can also steal and have it sacrificed before you can sacrifice it. If I have a lot of mana to spend, I definitely like using spells like Undying Evil to sacrifice Burnished Hart twice in a turn. Definitely a fun card to have in a Rona (Disciple of Gix) deck.
@@jamesperry459 The main situations I see happening when it comes to removing a Burnished Hart and other similar permanent-based ramp is everyone else gets to spend their early turns continuing to ramp up and get gas when the Burnished Hart/Armillary Sphere player is lagging behind a bit. I really enjoy running and doing fun combos with Burnished Hart, but it can be very derailing if it gets removed, due to how slow the card is, especially for pod metas which run extra removal and wraths.
I always cut burnished heart. I find taking off turn 3, and then turn 4 puts me in a vulnerable position. then on turn 5 the rest of the table looks at me like "oh man, hes got 7 mana"
I used to run it all the time but yeah, I think at this point unless you have a deck that can really recur it you might be better off running a rock in it's place
Unfortunately, Journeyer's Kite is not ramp. It's card draw (for lands), but doesn't get more lands onto the battlefield - so it's not ramp. Cool card though : )
@@prob094 I mean I guess it's not technically ramp but unlike most of the cards mentioned you don't have to sac it. It stays there constantly fetching lands and dumping them on the battlefield plus if you can untap it, it's even better. I just think it's an under appreciated card and I never see anyone ever play it.
@@samtheman9002 Yeah definitely a cool card, thanks for pointing it out. The constantly fetching lands is great, like you mentioned, if only it actually did 'dump them onto the battlefield' as well! Then it would definitely be ramp ; )
I'd argue that in a format like standard, treasure is ramp. Getting to a certain card in your deck one turn sooner is significant. However, that's not as significant in commander since each of your cards and turns have less value in the game overall.
It's good for standard, and heck even in edh (smothering tithe is a hell of a card) but just because something is good or useful doesn't change what category it's in. You get to use the treasures exactly once (unless your doing some kind of urza/improvise schenanigans) which is categorically different than having that same mana available to you for the rest of the game, barring LD.
For me, it depends on where you get the treasures from. If you get them as one-offs, then it's a ritual effect. If you get them repetitively, then it's ramp. But then again, this list is about land-based ramp exclusively anyway ;)
Just like Journeyer's kite mentioned above, that is not ramp unfortunately. It puts it into your hand, not the battlefield, so it's basically a land tutor, not ramp. Not saying its bad, it's just not ramp : )
Black is definitely second best, between all the swamp doublers (crypt ghast, nirkana revenant, etc) and urborg, to cabal coffers and cabal stronghold, and a mishmash of odd dorks like soldevi adnate and bog witch. A quirky side note: Myriad Landscape isn’t good in literal colorless decks. You cannot get Wastes with it, as Wastes has no land type whatsoever so they cannot have land types to share. I learned this the hard way.
Fun fact: Myriad landscape is worthless in colorless decks because Wastes, though basic lands, do not have a basic land type, so it can only go get one Waste and replace itself for 2 mana
@@Mwarrior1991 Yeah I had it in my traxos deck for a while before it was pointed out to me. Myriad Landscape says two basic lands of the same type, if you go look at a Wastes, its type is just "Basic Land" not "Basic Land - Wastes". So you wouldn't be able to grab two because without a type, they can't have the "same" type.
Guys, as prob094 has mentioned already several times. Fetching a land to put in your hand is not ramp.
Yeah sorry to keep commenting on that... I will shut up now that you've also said it haha.
11:28 I see that you're a man of culture, as well
Woah fancy seeing you here
@@nyalan8385 I couldn't help myself.
@WayfarersBauble could you please explain to me why WayfaeresBaible is better than any Talisman or 2 mana Manarock.
@@Schnecken Turn 1 play and land ramp in colors that don't normally get it. That said, it isn't better than the Talismans.
One cool thing about Myriad Landscape is that it works very well with Field of the Dead, because it can grab a Snow and a non-Snow land.
“I’m sure Mitch will be pleased.”
You always have pretty good things to say about what cards you choose and why in your vids. Definitely fun to watch and see what other people use for builds. Thanks for the content yo.
much appreciated. and you're welcome.
Great video as always. On an unrelated note, I would love to see you on an episode of Game Knights or Extra Turns one day with an interesting build. Your channel is my favourite, followed by the Command Zone. Keep it up : )
Surveyor's Scope works best with Fetchlands or Karoo lands. Sac the fetch and then with the search on the stack sac Surveyor's Scope so it sees 1 less land.
Dowsing dagger is also pretty good if you can get through. Flips into a land that taps for three minor downside of giving an opponent a couple of small blockers but hey you can use the politics.
Good catch. A staple in my equipment decks. For sure
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thanks man.
Ever since you recommend thran turbine, it's become my favorite card and my favorite magic Chanel. LOVE THE VIDEOS !!
Man, I was building a Mardu deck (Syr Gwyn to be specific) and I was looking for more ramp options. This helps a ton!
I've been misreading the bobble. I thought it was into your hand not the battlefield. Very nice.
You just gave me an idea for an Ob Nixilis, the Fallen with those first 2 cards... Scorched Ruins will make me have less lands then others (most likely) then I can sac surveyor's scope for 3 basics into play UNTAPPED... 12 +1/+1 counters on him in a single turn without any other effects and that's pretty nasty. Love it 👌👌
I just started building Bosh! You Rock Bro Great content.
Something I thought of with Surveyor's Scope: If you run a lot of fetchlands you could crack one or even a couple at the same time to artificially lower your land count, then crack the scope with the fetches on the stack to get 3 lands almost every time.
Nice shoutout to Mitch from Commander's quarters and Wayfarer's Bauble! Lol
I thought you didn't watch any other mtg TH-camrs like that?
not much. been watching the command zone since they began (although not much lately). and mitch, that's about it.
I would absolutely call each turn mana producing artefacts and creatures ramping, as you ca play eithef in addition to your one land per turn, and will perpetually accelerate your manabase. Yes, they are a lot more fragile than lands, but thas more of a side benefit of rampant growth, and cards with the same rules text, than its main point.
Sad robot just looks sad because wayfarer's bauble isn't budget anymore.
Laughing, 'cause a couple comments later a commenter's name is Wayfarer's Bauble. My eye caught it by chance.
Thx a lot man! my akuta born of ash deck absolutly need that surveyor’s scope!!!
So useful, love your videos
I agree with treasure tokens/rituals, but excluding mana rocks like Sol Ring, etc. seems like an oddly narrow definition of ramp. I do like Prismatic Lens and Caged Sun in mono-colored decks. Has anyone played with Ghirapur Orrery? Would cards like Helm of Awakening, Urza's Incubator, The Immortal Sun, or the medallions with cost reduction effects count as ramp?
Agreed. Although they are probably not 'technically' ramp, rocks and cost reducers do the same thing as ramp, but it's just less safe from boardwipes etc (same goes for dorks). Obviously land ramp is the best and safest, but rocks and reducers would still fit the same slots for me in a deck. Reducers can reduce multiple spells a turn as well which can be even better than having an extra land in some decks. But yeah I agree regarding rituals. Although if its a reliably repeatable ritual like Smothering Tithe, I would probably put that in a 'ramp slot' (If I could afford that card lol). I don't understand playing rocks in a deck with green though (except mana positive ones like sol ring) - land ramp is still the best I think.
I count all of them as ramp myself. Also.. i think even treasures can be ramp, if the effect that creates them happens regulary (not relevant because of color, but smothering tithe, or the annoying goblin pirate..)
medallions with cost reduction are in som ecases much better ramp than any get another basic land into play..
i'm not excluding mana rocks as ramp necessarily. i just think it would be a completely separate list. the disclaimer was so that i didn't have 50 people in the comments saying "where's sol ring?"
@@edhdeckbuilding Yeah that is totally fair enough. Good point.
Krosan Verge can get an honourable mention I guess. Although it limits the choices, it can cheat in double or triple type lands.
Fun fact, you can get lands out of your graveyard with a dun titan as well. They are permanents and have a mana value less than 3 (0).
Non-sacrifice mana rocks are definitely ramp as they will add an additional, permanent mana source that, like any other ramp, can get you ahead of the curve or catch up. E.g. arcane signet turn 2 will + land drop turn 3 yields same mana advantage as a rampant growth on turn 2. The difference is that you can lose that mana rock easier than a land but lands can also be destroyed.
so as i very clearly said in the video, mana rocks are a different category and would be a completely different list.
@@edhdeckbuilding I know, and that is what I am commenting on. I think most players would/will argue that mana rocks are ramp. Can you elaborate to why you dont think they belong to mana ramp?
As you state below and in the video: effects/spells that gets you only a temporary mana boost or adds a land to your hand are not ramp. That is fixing or temporary boost.
But as I stated in my initial comment, mana rocks provide same advantage as classic ramp spells. Unless you define ramp to specifically getting you lands, not permanent mana sources. But that definition would then also eliminate mana dorks.
for me it's more about having a term to describe putting lands into play faster than one per turn. if you use the term ramp to also mean, mana rocks, mana dorks, treasure tokens and everything else, than what term do you use to just mean putting lands into play faster?
Keep the vids coming man! I Always learn something new! Also, how do I put in a request for a mirko vosk deck?! 😎
Travelers amulet and renegade map are my favorites
I played scaretiller in my aesi deck for a bit because I was always having lands in my hand as well as I run some “harrow” type cards and it triggers aesi, so it’s a great budget option for that deck. Good list overall👍
I also have an aesi deck, but I think scaretiller is a little slow there. In simic you have access to like a half dozen or more 1-2 mana creatures that just have a tap ability to put lands into play so you don't spend 4-mana on a one off activation, since a lot of the time it will die if it goes into combat.
Farfinder i think is the name of another great option. 3cmc colorless etb ramp.
Seems to be a lot of people mentioning cards in these comments that go and fetch lands and put them into your hand. While that is great, it isn't ramp. Ramp puts the lands onto the battlefield. Good card, just isn't ramp.
Scorched ruins in a lord windgrace deck gets people very angry. Worth the price tag.
You should have called the lists "hey command zone white can do this and red can do this" thank you very much
Ramp in blue 🙏
I do enjoy a Burnished Hart from time to time, but it can definitely be the unfortunate 6 colorless ramp spell, because some tables have you gambling if you can't give it hexproof or indestructible to protect it long enough to see it sacrificed. Treason effects can also steal and have it sacrificed before you can sacrifice it. If I have a lot of mana to spend, I definitely like using spells like Undying Evil to sacrifice Burnished Hart twice in a turn. Definitely a fun card to have in a Rona (Disciple of Gix) deck.
Use it in my Korvold deck. Love the Hart in it.
I mean if you waste a remove spell on a hart that is a win it self
@@jamesperry459
The main situations I see happening when it comes to removing a Burnished Hart and other similar permanent-based ramp is everyone else gets to spend their early turns continuing to ramp up and get gas when the Burnished Hart/Armillary Sphere player is lagging behind a bit.
I really enjoy running and doing fun combos with Burnished Hart, but it can be very derailing if it gets removed, due to how slow the card is, especially for pod metas which run extra removal and wraths.
nice thanks for the video!
Scaretiller seems like awesome card for convoke deck
The sad robot decided to call into the shoe shop. They needed to be rebooted. lol
Surveyors Scope gotta be good in mono blue
Do you consider mana dorks ramp?
i suppose. but again that would be a separate list.
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How about expedition map?
Not ramp sorry, it's a land tutor (puts it into your hand not the battlefield). Good for hitting your land drop though : )
dude you're johnny on the spot with the "not ramp" reponses. thanks, saves me the trouble.
Oh, oops! Sorry :(
@@edhdeckbuilding I think I must have found my pet peeve haha
I always cut burnished heart. I find taking off turn 3, and then turn 4 puts me in a vulnerable position. then on turn 5 the rest of the table looks at me like "oh man, hes got 7 mana"
I used to run it all the time but yeah, I think at this point unless you have a deck that can really recur it you might be better off running a rock in it's place
Good in Daretti.
Scaretiller urzas saga
I'm suprised journeyer's kite wasn't mentioned.
Unfortunately, Journeyer's Kite is not ramp. It's card draw (for lands), but doesn't get more lands onto the battlefield - so it's not ramp. Cool card though : )
@@prob094 I mean I guess it's not technically ramp but unlike most of the cards mentioned you don't have to sac it. It stays there constantly fetching lands and dumping them on the battlefield plus if you can untap it, it's even better. I just think it's an under appreciated card and I never see anyone ever play it.
@@samtheman9002 Yeah definitely a cool card, thanks for pointing it out. The constantly fetching lands is great, like you mentioned, if only it actually did 'dump them onto the battlefield' as well! Then it would definitely be ramp ; )
I'd argue that in a format like standard, treasure is ramp. Getting to a certain card in your deck one turn sooner is significant.
However, that's not as significant in commander since each of your cards and turns have less value in the game overall.
It's good for standard, and heck even in edh (smothering tithe is a hell of a card) but just because something is good or useful doesn't change what category it's in. You get to use the treasures exactly once (unless your doing some kind of urza/improvise schenanigans) which is categorically different than having that same mana available to you for the rest of the game, barring LD.
For me, it depends on where you get the treasures from. If you get them as one-offs, then it's a ritual effect. If you get them repetitively, then it's ramp.
But then again, this list is about land-based ramp exclusively anyway ;)
No expedition map or oblivion sower 😭
Oblivion sower yes, although it may miss, expedition map isn't ramp though (just puts it in your hand).
Travelers amulet
Sorta
Just like Journeyer's kite mentioned above, that is not ramp unfortunately. It puts it into your hand, not the battlefield, so it's basically a land tutor, not ramp. Not saying its bad, it's just not ramp : )
The feels when someone destroy your Hart before the sacrifice. :'(
Black is definitely second best, between all the swamp doublers (crypt ghast, nirkana revenant, etc) and urborg, to cabal coffers and cabal stronghold, and a mishmash of odd dorks like soldevi adnate and bog witch.
A quirky side note: Myriad Landscape isn’t good in literal colorless decks. You cannot get Wastes with it, as Wastes has no land type whatsoever so they cannot have land types to share. I learned this the hard way.
Is that you teach? Your voice sounds exactly like the channel "teachers game too". I'm so sure of it
sorry it is not.
Fun fact: Myriad landscape is worthless in colorless decks because Wastes, though basic lands, do not have a basic land type, so it can only go get one Waste and replace itself for 2 mana
oh man, are you sure? that bums me out real hard..
@@Mwarrior1991 Yeah I had it in my traxos deck for a while before it was pointed out to me. Myriad Landscape says two basic lands of the same type, if you go look at a Wastes, its type is just "Basic Land" not "Basic Land - Wastes". So you wouldn't be able to grab two because without a type, they can't have the "same" type.
Can you even get one if they don't have a land type?
@@BassBaseAce yes, because the card says "up to two" which means you can go get just one
Great vid but I hate myriad so much
I mean, really it’s Ancient Tomb…