Pastor Wilson offers fresh perspective and inspiration to Christians about what are we against. "politics doesn't save us, that needs to be saved" It is an amazing interview.
Doug denies wanting to dissolve separation of church and state. However, Doug also wants the Nicaean Creed included in the Constitution. Quite a contradiction for Doug.
@@manager0175There is a difference between a separation of the institutional jurisdictions of church and state (which Doug fully supports), and the separation of religion and society (including the civil government) (which Doug does not support). And I would agree with Doug.
@@JustinHonaker You said: "There is a difference between a separation of the institutional jurisdictions of church and state (which Doug fully supports),". Oh really? Then why does Doug want the Nicaean creed in the Constitution? Is that not the very definition of blending religious and institutional jurisdictions? Here is the question Doug has not yet answered: DOES DOUG SUPPORT PROJECT 2025?
Outstanding conversation! I am beginning to see the younger people, mostly friends of my children, are beginning to seek Christ out and it makes my heart swell. It’s dawning on them that something very important is missing and his word is getting through.
Matt, I'm so happy to see this conversation happen! Crazy to hear about how you and Doug have a past family connection. Doug's stories about your parents were very touching. Keep up the great work.
Having followed Doug for years, it’s crazy how all the sudden he’s seems to be less of an unmentionable. I keep seeing him pop up on other channels I don’t follow (like this one). Good to see
I have not been a Doug follower for very long. But what bothers me is the major inaccuracies he puts forth in nearly every video. That does not help the cause of Christ.
I agree. However, I do not want more God and Jesus in government. Like Melville said "..better a sober cannibal than a drunk Christian..". Christians with political power have always been more corrupt and incompetent than their secular counterparts. Separation of church and state is one of the genius ideas of our founding fathers. Doug will destroy it.
Doug said: "Christ or chaos"? Apparently Doug forgot about the "European wars of religion" that directly resulted from the first Reformation. As James Madison said: “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” Historically speaking, nothing is more chaotic than Christians with political power.
You said: "Europe needs to return to God.". You want another 200 years of religious wars? That is what happened the last time in European Christians had political power.
"Better a sober cannibal than drunken Christian." That quote from Melville sums up the problem for me. Historically, nothing is more corrupt or more incompetent than Christians with political power.
That’s precisely why we have to thank God for all the hardships that we experience because he is refining us so yeah maybe somebody wouldn’t be happy about it in the time but it’s essential for the plan 1:36:10
I never understood why your channel hasn’t blown off yet then i realise i may be in the starting phase of course watching you grow to great heights you deserve god bless you
@@unkown312 Please elaborate? I'm not sure if you're opposed to any kind of morality whatsoever in government, or if you support church being in government.
@@PanhandleFrank if we read our bibles and pay attention to how the apostles move, we would see that they were very much involved with politics. There was a reason they were all killed the way they were. They made an impact in the complete culture of the time.
@@unkown312 I agree. The apostles _as individuals_ were involved in politics and had a vast impact on their culture. They prophetically spoke truth to power. That's not the same as arguing for the involvement of _the institution_ of the Church in the State. Both institutions are servants of God, but have different jurisdictions and tools of rule. And again, morality must exist in civil government. So when you initially told me, "No" ... what did I say that you were disagreeing with?
On the conversation of technical ability or loyalty... look at El Salvador. Especially in light of them, together, going, "We don't know what to do. Let's pray to God for His wisdom." Boom! MS13 taken down. Loyal to God. Loyal to His calling on your profession.
Any form of incrementalism is easily dismissed. Deuteronomy 18:10 LSB - “There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, There is no room for incrementalism in this matter. Obey the word.
If your vote meant there would be an incremental law that abortions would be cut by 60%, would you not vote for that incremental measures because you didn't get a full on ban?
I haven’t gotten to the incrementalism discussion yet. But some problems (child sacrifice, eg) require an immediate 180, while others can allow for a slower course correction.
@@PanhandleFrank What do you think is the second and third biggest problem in America. I'll give you a hint about my opinion, both of them involve children.
A Gen Z died and went to Heaven. The Lord said to him, "Depart from me, I never knew you." The Gen Z said, "But we have texted everyday." The Lord said, "Correct."
It is that simple. Are we going to pick the side of King Solomon, King David, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Job, Peter, Esther, Zaccheaus, Samson, Noah, King Manasseh, etc. or pick the side of King Herod, Pharaoh, Herodias, Jezebel, Sodom and Gomorrah, Korah, Dathan, Abiram, Ananias, Sapphira, etc.? There are two political parties exactly behaving like those people from the Bible. God bless you. Just my two cents. Have a great day.
Pastor Wilson offers fresh perspective and inspiration to Christians about what are we against. "politics doesn't save us, that needs to be saved" It is an amazing interview.
Doug denies wanting to dissolve separation of church and state. However, Doug also wants the Nicaean Creed included in the Constitution. Quite a contradiction for Doug.
@@manager0175you misunderstand “ separation of church and state”
@@manager0175There is a difference between a separation of the institutional jurisdictions of church and state (which Doug fully supports), and the separation of religion and society (including the civil government) (which Doug does not support).
And I would agree with Doug.
@@JustinHonaker You said: "There is a difference between a separation of the institutional jurisdictions of church and state (which Doug fully supports),". Oh really? Then why does Doug want the Nicaean creed in the Constitution? Is that not the very definition of blending religious and institutional jurisdictions? Here is the question Doug has not yet answered: DOES DOUG SUPPORT PROJECT 2025?
@@manager0175 Your statement, “…blending religious and institutional jurisdictions”, makes no sense.
Yes, America needs God, very much so.
Outstanding conversation! I am beginning to see the younger people, mostly friends of my children, are beginning to seek Christ out and it makes my heart swell. It’s dawning on them that something very important is missing and his word is getting through.
This has been the best interview for understanding Doug and the Moscow Mood! Keep your heart on God in 'everything' in your life! Thank you!
Amen
Matt, I'm so happy to see this conversation happen! Crazy to hear about how you and Doug have a past family connection. Doug's stories about your parents were very touching. Keep up the great work.
“…and we have been spared the consequences of stupid mistakes…” 🔥🔥🔥
Having followed Doug for years, it’s crazy how all the sudden he’s seems to be less of an unmentionable. I keep seeing him pop up on other channels I don’t follow (like this one). Good to see
I have not been a Doug follower for very long. But what bothers me is the major inaccuracies he puts forth in nearly every video. That does not help the cause of Christ.
Doug’s fans and his trolls all showed up for this one. Oh well, it’s all one to the algorithm. 👍👍
@@manager0175
Innaccuracies?
@manager0175 could you be more specific about the inaccuracies? You made an accusation with no evidence or support.
@@lindsaybarlow7946
My guess is that you'll get crickets in response to that question.
The world needs more God and Jesus.
I agree. However, I do not want more God and Jesus in government. Like Melville said "..better a sober cannibal than a drunk Christian..". Christians with political power have always been more corrupt and incompetent than their secular counterparts. Separation of church and state is one of the genius ideas of our founding fathers. Doug will destroy it.
Incredible interview. Awesome to see fruit from faithful service decades ago.
Doug said: "Christ or chaos"? Apparently Doug forgot about the "European wars of religion" that directly resulted from the first Reformation. As James Madison said: “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” Historically speaking, nothing is more chaotic than Christians with political power.
God bless. Europe needs to return to God.
You said: "Europe needs to return to God.". You want another 200 years of religious wars? That is what happened the last time in European Christians had political power.
That was an excellent and thought-provoking discussion! Thank you! ❤🙏
Great set of questions! Wonderful job Matt!
Great HONEST Conversation on Grown Up Men who want to do Manly things to set up family, society and Future. A light in a very dark room
The pre-WWI world Doug envisions has been destroyed. It will never come back. And we are better off without it.
"Better a sober cannibal than drunken Christian." That quote from Melville sums up the problem for me. Historically, nothing is more corrupt or more incompetent than Christians with political power.
Thank you Pastor Wilson!
This is amazing!
That’s precisely why we have to thank God for all the hardships that we experience because he is refining us so yeah maybe somebody wouldn’t be happy about it in the time but it’s essential for the plan 1:36:10
We need God 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Awesome conversation. Blessed here in the Philippines❤
This is a conversation I didn’t even realize I wanted to see happen.
What a small world!
The little things are the biggest things.💯
Wow! I was so pleasantly surprised to see you two together! Amazing post!
How did I miss this interview? Matt it's awesome you interviewed him!
I never understood why your channel hasn’t blown off yet then i realise i may be in the starting phase of course watching you grow to great heights you deserve god bless you
This was a most enjoyable conversation.
Phenomenal!
What a great interview! Thank you!
This was delightful!
The separation of church and state is to keep the government out of church, not the church out of government
It’s both. Keeping the church out of civil government ≠ keeping Christians or morality out of government.
@@PanhandleFrankNo.
@@unkown312 Please elaborate?
I'm not sure if you're opposed to any kind of morality whatsoever in government, or if you support church being in government.
@@PanhandleFrank if we read our bibles and pay attention to how the apostles move, we would see that they were very much involved with politics. There was a reason they were all killed the way they were. They made an impact in the complete culture of the time.
@@unkown312 I agree. The apostles _as individuals_ were involved in politics and had a vast impact on their culture. They prophetically spoke truth to power.
That's not the same as arguing for the involvement of _the institution_ of the Church in the State. Both institutions are servants of God, but have different jurisdictions and tools of rule. And again, morality must exist in civil government.
So when you initially told me, "No" ... what did I say that you were disagreeing with?
Another Doug Wilson win! Big Eva loses again
New sub. Based on your bwlief in the US constitution I hope you and your viewers make a difference.
I love that i can be apart of these conversations, even if its just warching on TH-cam...lol
👍👍
On the conversation of technical ability or loyalty... look at El Salvador. Especially in light of them, together, going, "We don't know what to do. Let's pray to God for His wisdom." Boom! MS13 taken down. Loyal to God. Loyal to His calling on your profession.
Good stuff!
1:06:30 - This is kind of blowing my mind!
I love Doug’s answer to this one.
People need to do the great commission, instead of just community works.
Do you suppose that “community works” are somehow _counter to_ the Great Commission, always and in every case?
Any form of incrementalism is easily dismissed.
Deuteronomy 18:10 LSB -
“There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire,
There is no room for incrementalism in this matter. Obey the word.
If your vote meant there would be an incremental law that abortions would be cut by 60%, would you not vote for that incremental measures because you didn't get a full on ban?
@@philipmurray9796
Thanks to the tireless work of the *"pro-life"* Community this situation has never occurred.
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 you can answer now.
I haven’t gotten to the incrementalism discussion yet. But some problems (child sacrifice, eg) require an immediate 180, while others can allow for a slower course correction.
@@PanhandleFrank
What do you think is the second and third biggest problem in America.
I'll give you a hint about my opinion, both of them involve children.
A Gen Z died and went to Heaven. The Lord said to him, "Depart from me, I never knew you." The Gen Z said, "But we have texted everyday." The Lord said, "Correct."
how old is Matt Kim? He looks very young and fertile. Glad he's a dad!
It is that simple. Are we going to pick the side of King Solomon, King David, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Job, Peter, Esther, Zaccheaus, Samson, Noah, King Manasseh, etc. or pick the side of King Herod, Pharaoh, Herodias, Jezebel, Sodom and Gomorrah, Korah, Dathan, Abiram, Ananias, Sapphira, etc.? There are two political parties exactly behaving like those people from the Bible. God bless you. Just my two cents. Have a great day.
Doug is faithful to the mission no doubt, and also faithful to doughnuts. Like all pastors. LOL.