While the vid was uploading i just had a quick search, in regard to shimming the diff....... I was confused there were no shims, turns out the circlips are the shims haha. We'll have to get it re-assembled and check backlash, with any luck i'll be able to get it close enough with the 4 clips we have. if not there may be a delay before getting it back together. Probably should have done some ree-search before attempting this... but you know. YOLO
8:53 You see, this is one of the reasons I love watching you guys big time! When you see the big boys that are created for TV and backed with sponsors that pay the hosts big bucks etc. Everything is always brand new and most regular people could never even dream to afford some of the parts for themselves. In my world just like here in this LSD build if I can open my diff and reuse any of the seals shims gaskets etc. I'm gonna go for it LOL. I'd like to be able to buy all the perfect new parts and the very best go fast bolt on's but it's just not gonna happen. Thank you 0 to 60 men!! Keep on Rockin!
I dont know about professional..... ha. But we are trying to share the experience we have we it thats for sure. This one being the clutched 1.5 way is not something you see in the 335s very often.
One of the best mods u can do! Mine fitted perfect and didn’t have to change any shims at all, i used the torco manual transmission fluid that they recommend n all’s fine! Proper sideways fun haha!
@Dejan if u have an MFactory diff you use torco manual transmission fluid what they recommend and life time warranty if u use that oil, the manuals take 1.2 litres, not sure about autos, u have to suck the fluid out the rear diff as no drain hole! If it’s standard diff just put in what bmw recommend think it’s Castrol sxf-xo probably change it every 60-80k miles gearbox oil is ‘lifetime’ oil but would change it if your gears start feeling lumpy and not smooth!
I am in the process of a mass mod myself. M4 f8x brakes to my 335i. Got the new front f8x spindles coming from the Stealership. The back will need crazy mods.. more to come.
I can only wish you all the diff luck in the world,the clips are the shims (they have numbers on them which relate to their thickness )and are sized to get correct contact with gears which must sit in centre line of diff,and be blued ,you must keep shims and gears shafts same ie left and right same when you rebuild,then everything perfect. Backlash is altogether different really, you’ve nothing to loose imo if you rebuild using same shafts and clips to same sides you might just be lucky. After doing loads research my ATB went faultlessly but I would still give your scenario a go as I have suggested you might just be lucky why not,don’t think you any chance if you’ve mixed up shims and shafts from left and right, praying you get diffluck not diffu*ked.
Oh yeah my MFactory diff for my 335i looked different to yours, it looked very similar shape to the standard one, you have to remove the bearing runners from the old diff and put them on the new MFactory diff, they say to put diff in freezer when installing back on but they just tap on the new diff easy enough, keep all the shims/c-clips the right way round as are different sizes! If u need any help mate as done this a few weeks ago! Also when u install it back in the car start the thread on the prop shaft to the diff otherwise it will never go back on when installing, I removed one of the exhausts to for some room!
Thanks for the info man. Yes, this is the 1.5 way clucthed Mfactory. Which is a bit rare, most of the Mfactorys are Hillical version. So you just used your original bearings and shims and all was well? I was concerned if anything on the mfactory is different to the original it will need re-shimming anyway. Did you check backlash?
@Zero To 60 yeh mine is the helical version, I pulled one of the bearing races off with a puller and the other off using a sharp screwdriver and hammer 🙈actually came off pretty easy, probably best if u use the right tool lol backlash was checked and had to be between 0.2 and 0.5, mine I think was around 0.3 so was fine, my car only had 60,000miles on it so bearings are fine, you’ll just have to check yours mate, good luck! You can buy shim kits but they’re a lot of money, the shim width should be written on the c clips
I would be interested to see what the difference in performance, noise and engagement between the clutch style and helical style lsd! I decided to go with the helical style so this will be a good review for me
I’m not familiar with these diffs but on the Dana ford units the pinion engagement and preload is critical to getting the teeth to mesh correctly. The pinion and ring wear together so it seems like you’re inviting issues by not keeping them as a pair. The fords are very sensitive to pinion preload which is set via a one use crush washer. When they lose preload the wear and whine like a stuck pig...I went through three in 36k on my last xr6t. Ring and pinions are sold as a pair for these reasons.
It’s purely the cost. I’d expect a pair of brackets to be between $100 and $200 at least. Plus I want to see if the China sellers will actually fix their mistake. I’ve always got something to do, so not being able to drive this isn’t the end of the world. Apart from missing roll roll racing of course 😒
exited to see the results. will turn the 335i into a true rwd car :) no more one wheel peels. been debating on wether to do my brakes or go get me a nice lsd?
I’m confused - do all the 130I diffs come with an MFactory LSD as standard? Or did you buy that diff from someone who had previously upgraded it with the MFactory LSD?
M3 rear ends in Australia are worth like 5 grand. Its crazy. You know BMW do it to keep the M3's special. If these had an LSD from new, it would have definitely taken a few sales away from the M3.
@nathan ross the crown wheel is welded instead of bolted, they changed from the bolted to the welded on March 2007 so your crown wheel has to be machined/cut off and drilled and tapped to match the lsd bolt pattern, right chore mate! There are a few companies which do exchange diffs so u don’t have to bother getting it all done, just remove from car and swap in new one, I think MFactory do this type of service to!
Early cars had bolted in manual cars then it went, welded Manual and DCT large case, Bolted ,small case autos I believe all to be bolted.welded crown wheels can be machined of then drilled to fit the replacement lsd whatever type you prefer.
Morning guys. Crikey, bet you wish you’d done the research before splitting the case. On the proviso that the replacement diff is the same dimensionally, bearings and circlips should stay with their respective casings and importantly sides of case. Given that the Mfactory diff was on taper bearings I have doubts about fitment. You need to ensure that each diff is dimensionally same, not close. Put the left side together first to ensure correct mesh of gears. Admire the stuff you done fairly blind on this (car) but as you are learning knowledge is everything. There is plenty of info stuff available . D.
In hindsight, i wish i looked in to this before cracking on with it. But always short of time, it was start working and get filming or put it off while i look in to it. Ahh well, we'll get there in the end. Like mention in the video, i do enjoy blinding working out problems not just with cars but anything really. Always up for a challenge.
As an bit of info I finally went Quaife on my 135i, so been through much of this. If you find the diffs are same dimensions, transfer bearings across to Mfatory diff makings sure they remain on original side. A puller is tricky to get the small inner bearing collar of the diff itself . There is an area on the casing where an edge is exposed and this can be used with piece of soft mild steel to drift the collar off the diff. keep everything matched side for side. Your mixing of the circlips may not be an issue if you kept each with their respective casings, just move from one side to the other until you see minimal backlash. I also have a 335 which sits untouched. See you guys down under once Restrictions lift.
So far so good. I would definitely recommend them to a friend. But whether you are fitting these or the brand names ones, always remember you can have issues. But i think these are the best bang for buck by a country mile.
@@epicman1999 Straight in, i figured china has been making turbos for long enough to know how to balance them. However, that doesnt mean the balance couldnt be improved.
My 10/2006 build automatic has the large housing and the same ball style bearings your original diff had. Are you sure there are not shims between the center and the bearing inner race? Did you measure backlash before you removed your center? There must be shims in there somewhere to set the bearing preload and adjust the backlash. I reused my original bearings and came up with the same backlash after I installed my Wavetrac LSD. I don't explicitly remember shims (it was 7 years ago), but I don't see how any adjustment of the gears would be possible without them. [EDIT] This may be helpful: www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29755 It looks like there are shims between the center and the inner race and the c-clips come in different thicknesses. I am not sure if you will be able to get your backlash and preload correct without removing and reusing your existing bearings (ball type), shims and c-clips.
Thanks for all the info man, that was one of the threads i found while this vid was uploading. I haven't had a look at it all again this morning, but i have a plan now at least.
All i was told, was that it was a 130i. Unfortunately i also can't find any info on people running these in a 335i. It might not work.... but we'll know soon.
@@markburkey6371 it did. Been in the car for quite a few months now. The diff is strong and good for traction, however being a clutched LSD it may be a little too much for the street. She's a noisy bugger.
You have no idea, we are saving up for one. We planned to use the shelving, but its quickly been filled. It's a battle between funding car parts or tools.
Why am I not surprised that the guys that made the brakes now have to make your brake adapter more than two times! Really sorry that you’re getting such a back and forth game! terribly customer care!
Yeah, it's frustrating, hey it could be worse tho. My motor could be blown up..... oh wait :| haha. I really hope its not btw. But if it is, we shall have some fun making a new one.
shaneag33 when I talked to VAC they told me that quaiffe is the way to go. Before I talked to them Initially I was going to go wavetrac, myself. FYI they sell both. Might be worth a call to those guys.
about the brakes, does anyone else feel like he’s only helping that chinese company to hijack the market for authentic brembo kits? After all if it weren’t for the R&D that Brembo put into building a quality product there wouldn’t be a knock-off product either. What’s everyone’s opinion on knock-off parts?
If you look back at the first video , he shows that they provided all “Brembo” parts such as the little rubber nipples over the bleed screws . They obviously have access to those parts . He mentioned he paid an extra $80 for upgrades . They probably sourced them from the maker to get them to be as authentic while using their own calipers and brake pads and brackets . By providing them with one model, only the rear brackets, I can’t see how that helps them so much .
No, this is like saying buying knock off chinese turbos is taking away money from Garret or Precision. At the end of the day, youre paying those big price tags on genuine parts for support and the warranty. You dont get that with ali-express.
Beware cheap imitations used to be the catch phrase used by the manufacturers but the Chinese have built an entire sub economy worth billions of dollars off this, they even copy boats out of New Zealand these days which have a habit of capsizing and killing people. My opinion is that they should never have made their way into Australia in the first place, customs should have destroyed them. If they came in as dic...a.s then fair play but they should also have been supplied with relevant compliance certificates as people’s lives are at risk. A Chinese turbo or inter cooler is not safety critical equipment like a braking system. In 10 years and another three owners time they will fail on some unsuspecting owner which is why they’re a bad idea and essentially illegal in this country.
snivesz32 - i totally get where you're coming from and its a crappy area in the automotive parts world. I am just trying to get the cheap chinese brakes, that i paid for fitted to my car. Regarding knock off parts. Every single item that doesnt come from BMW is a knock off of some form. I don't like that the chinese guys put the Brembo logos on these at all, i wish they didnt. But the fact they look like a brembo calliper is no different to using an aftermarket oil filter. The aftermarket filter is made to look like and work like the genuine one and sold for less money than the genuine one. Brembo cops it hard with fakes, but so does every automative manufacturer out there. Its just when someone copies a Ford headlight or bonnet for example, it doesnt seem to upset so many people.
While the vid was uploading i just had a quick search, in regard to shimming the diff....... I was confused there were no shims, turns out the circlips are the shims haha. We'll have to get it re-assembled and check backlash, with any luck i'll be able to get it close enough with the 4 clips we have. if not there may be a delay before getting it back together. Probably should have done some ree-search before attempting this... but you know. YOLO
I did the same thing, I got lucky and it all lined up perfectly.
She'll be right man just make sure shes got a poofteenth of back play and send it 😊🤘
8:53 You see, this is one of the reasons I love watching you guys big time! When you see the big boys that are created for TV and backed with sponsors that pay the hosts big bucks etc. Everything is always brand new and most regular people could never even dream to afford some of the parts for themselves. In my world just like here in this LSD build if I can open my diff and reuse any of the seals shims gaskets etc. I'm gonna go for it LOL. I'd like to be able to buy all the perfect new parts and the very best go fast bolt on's but it's just not gonna happen. Thank you 0 to 60 men!! Keep on Rockin!
Appreciate that man. That is the reality for genuine car enthusiasts.
YES! Finally a professional video featuring the Mfactory LSD for BMWs
I dont know about professional..... ha. But we are trying to share the experience we have we it thats for sure. This one being the clutched 1.5 way is not something you see in the 335s very often.
One of the best mods u can do! Mine fitted perfect and didn’t have to change any shims at all, i used the torco manual transmission fluid that they recommend n all’s fine! Proper sideways fun haha!
Hey mate, would you recommend replacing the diff oil and how often ? Cheers.
@Dejan if u have an MFactory diff you use torco manual transmission fluid what they recommend and life time warranty if u use that oil, the manuals take 1.2 litres, not sure about autos, u have to suck the fluid out the rear diff as no drain hole! If it’s standard diff just put in what bmw recommend think it’s Castrol sxf-xo probably change it every 60-80k miles gearbox oil is ‘lifetime’ oil but would change it if your gears start feeling lumpy and not smooth!
@@br4d101 Thanks so much for your reply . Great info, cheers :)
I am in the process of a mass mod myself. M4 f8x brakes to my 335i. Got the new front f8x spindles coming from the Stealership. The back will need crazy mods.. more to come.
I can only wish you all the diff luck in the world,the clips are the shims (they have numbers on them which relate to their thickness )and are sized to get correct contact with gears which must sit in centre line of diff,and be blued ,you must keep shims and gears shafts same ie left and right same when you rebuild,then everything perfect. Backlash is altogether different really, you’ve nothing to loose imo if you rebuild using same shafts and clips to same sides you might just be lucky. After doing loads research my ATB went faultlessly but I would still give your scenario a go as I have suggested you might just be lucky why not,don’t think you any chance if you’ve mixed up shims and shafts from left and right, praying you get diffluck not diffu*ked.
"diffluck not diffu*ked" haha god damn your comments always cause a giggle at this end. thanks again dude!
Oh yeah my MFactory diff for my 335i looked different to yours, it looked very similar shape to the standard one, you have to remove the bearing runners from the old diff and put them on the new MFactory diff, they say to put diff in freezer when installing back on but they just tap on the new diff easy enough, keep all the shims/c-clips the right way round as are different sizes! If u need any help mate as done this a few weeks ago! Also when u install it back in the car start the thread on the prop shaft to the diff otherwise it will never go back on when installing, I removed one of the exhausts to for some room!
Thanks for the info man. Yes, this is the 1.5 way clucthed Mfactory. Which is a bit rare, most of the Mfactorys are Hillical version. So you just used your original bearings and shims and all was well? I was concerned if anything on the mfactory is different to the original it will need re-shimming anyway. Did you check backlash?
@Zero To 60 yeh mine is the helical version, I pulled one of the bearing races off with a puller and the other off using a sharp screwdriver and hammer 🙈actually came off pretty easy, probably best if u use the right tool lol backlash was checked and had to be between 0.2 and 0.5, mine I think was around 0.3 so was fine, my car only had 60,000miles on it so bearings are fine, you’ll just have to check yours mate, good luck! You can buy shim kits but they’re a lot of money, the shim width should be written on the c clips
Ooo yes the new diff. Glad I didn’t go to bed yet!
I would be interested to see what the difference in performance, noise and engagement between the clutch style and helical style lsd! I decided to go with the helical style so this will be a good review for me
Another good video. Keep up the good work guys!
Holy crap I can’t believe it’s been this long since I’ve seen an episode! Fml. Well a lot of BS in life hit me outta left field so gotta catch up.
fingers crossed everything works, LSD will really help keep the power down and the handling more predictable
I’m not familiar with these diffs but on the Dana ford units the pinion engagement and preload is critical to getting the teeth to mesh correctly. The pinion and ring wear together so it seems like you’re inviting issues by not keeping them as a pair. The fords are very sensitive to pinion preload which is set via a one use crush washer. When they lose preload the wear and whine like a stuck pig...I went through three in 36k on my last xr6t. Ring and pinions are sold as a pair for these reasons.
The circlips act as shims if you measure the circlips they are different thickness be careful not to mix them up
Mate - why not have a local shop fab a couple of brackets for the rear calipers. I know it’s more money, but lost time is money too.
It’s purely the cost. I’d expect a pair of brackets to be between $100 and $200 at least.
Plus I want to see if the China sellers will actually fix their mistake.
I’ve always got something to do, so not being able to drive this isn’t the end of the world. Apart from missing roll roll racing of course 😒
exited to see the results. will turn the 335i into a true rwd car :) no more one wheel peels. been debating on wether to do my brakes or go get me a nice lsd?
If you're brakes are working as they should. I think go LSD. The stock brakes aren't bad by means. The open diff on the other hand... well.
I’m confused - do all the 130I diffs come with an MFactory LSD as standard? Or did you buy that diff from someone who had previously upgraded it with the MFactory LSD?
It's just nuts 335i's don't come with lsd's!
I know it's more money but would you or did you think of going down the M3 diff and axles swap?
M3 rear ends in Australia are worth like 5 grand. Its crazy. You know BMW do it to keep the M3's special. If these had an LSD from new, it would have definitely taken a few sales away from the M3.
Wait. You have link to that diff ? Or specs. I need one (lsd) and thinking of ordering
All these mods become so difficult over here after years of rust. My mechanic is often annoyed working on my cars!
Can this be done on a later model e92 (2010) I thought I’ve heard bmw changed the diffs in the later model e92 making it not a direct swap.
Yep they are welded so have to be machined!
br4d101 what part is welded? The cover?
@nathan ross the crown wheel is welded instead of bolted, they changed from the bolted to the welded on March 2007 so your crown wheel has to be machined/cut off and drilled and tapped to match the lsd bolt pattern, right chore mate! There are a few companies which do exchange diffs so u don’t have to bother getting it all done, just remove from car and swap in new one, I think MFactory do this type of service to!
Early cars had bolted in manual cars then it went, welded Manual and DCT large case, Bolted ,small case autos I believe all to be bolted.welded crown wheels can be machined of then drilled to fit the replacement lsd whatever type you prefer.
The part that is welded is the Ring Gear
Morning guys. Crikey, bet you wish you’d done the research before splitting the case. On the proviso that the replacement diff is the same dimensionally, bearings and circlips should stay with their respective casings and importantly sides of case. Given that the Mfactory diff was on taper bearings I have doubts about fitment. You need to ensure that each diff is dimensionally same, not close. Put the left side together first to ensure correct mesh of gears. Admire the stuff you done fairly blind on this (car) but as you are learning knowledge is everything. There is plenty of info stuff available . D.
In hindsight, i wish i looked in to this before cracking on with it. But always short of time, it was start working and get filming or put it off while i look in to it. Ahh well, we'll get there in the end. Like mention in the video, i do enjoy blinding working out problems not just with cars but anything really. Always up for a challenge.
As an bit of info I finally went Quaife on my 135i, so been through much of this. If you find the diffs are same dimensions, transfer bearings across to Mfatory diff makings sure they remain on original side. A puller is tricky to get the small inner bearing collar of the diff itself . There is an area on the casing where an edge is exposed and this can be used with piece of soft mild steel to drift the collar off the diff. keep everything matched side for side. Your mixing of the circlips may not be an issue if you kept each with their respective casings, just move from one side to the other until you see minimal backlash. I also have a 335 which sits untouched. See you guys down under once Restrictions lift.
If your lucky you won’t have an opera singer in the rear meaning on and off throttle tunes due to incorrect lapping good luck with it
How have the turbos held up? Would you recommend them to others?
So far so good. I would definitely recommend them to a friend. But whether you are fitting these or the brand names ones, always remember you can have issues. But i think these are the best bang for buck by a country mile.
Thanks so much for the response I’m about to buy a pair. Did you need to get yours balanced or just put them straight in?
@@epicman1999 Straight in, i figured china has been making turbos for long enough to know how to balance them. However, that doesnt mean the balance couldnt be improved.
My 10/2006 build automatic has the large housing and the same ball style bearings your original diff had. Are you sure there are not shims between the center and the bearing inner race? Did you measure backlash before you removed your center? There must be shims in there somewhere to set the bearing preload and adjust the backlash.
I reused my original bearings and came up with the same backlash after I installed my Wavetrac LSD. I don't explicitly remember shims (it was 7 years ago), but I don't see how any adjustment of the gears would be possible without them.
[EDIT] This may be helpful: www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29755
It looks like there are shims between the center and the inner race and the c-clips come in different thicknesses. I am not sure if you will be able to get your backlash and preload correct without removing and reusing your existing bearings (ball type), shims and c-clips.
Thanks for all the info man, that was one of the threads i found while this vid was uploading. I haven't had a look at it all again this morning, but i have a plan now at least.
What year is the 130i you got it from
I never actualy knew. But all 130i manual are the same from memory. They dont bolt straight in to the N54 cars, but the centres are interchangeable.
Couldnt you have just swapped the full set instead of swapping the internals?
The input flange was different, also the LSD had a different gear ratio, where i really wanted to keep mine.
@@ZeroTo60Tube 3.64 would have been fun
but also... auto 130i with an LSD kinda makes me sad lol
Hey do you know what car this is out of?? I may want to do this upgrade and do you have the exact part number :)
All i was told, was that it was a 130i. Unfortunately i also can't find any info on people running these in a 335i. It might not work.... but we'll know soon.
@@ZeroTo60Tube did it work?
@@markburkey6371 it did. Been in the car for quite a few months now. The diff is strong and good for traction, however being a clutched LSD it may be a little too much for the street. She's a noisy bugger.
You need a work bench!
You have no idea, we are saving up for one. We planned to use the shelving, but its quickly been filled. It's a battle between funding car parts or tools.
The shims go between the bearing and the diff. You may get lucky and it fits right
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Why am I not surprised that the guys that made the brakes now have to make your brake adapter more than two times! Really sorry that you’re getting such a back and forth game! terribly customer care!
Yeah, it's frustrating, hey it could be worse tho. My motor could be blown up..... oh wait :| haha. I really hope its not btw. But if it is, we shall have some fun making a new one.
Could you not just draw a diagram with all the sizes and measurements for them? They might not have the same model there, or different varient of it.
You’re so lucky to have a bolted diff. Mines welded 😒
Mine too man. I’m sending mine to VAC to have them put a Quaiffe in. Otherwise I’d go this route for sure.
Midwest BMW I’m going to go for wavetrac. Not the cheapest but research shows probably the best out there
shaneag33 when I talked to VAC they told me that quaiffe is the way to go. Before I talked to them Initially I was going to go wavetrac, myself. FYI they sell both. Might be worth a call to those guys.
Midwest BMW thanks mate will look into it 👍🏻
about the brakes, does anyone else feel like he’s only helping that chinese company to hijack the market for authentic brembo kits? After all if it weren’t for the R&D that Brembo put into building a quality product there wouldn’t be a knock-off product either. What’s everyone’s opinion on knock-off parts?
If you look back at the first video , he shows that they provided all “Brembo” parts such as the little rubber nipples over the bleed screws . They obviously have access to those parts . He mentioned he paid an extra $80 for upgrades . They probably sourced them from the maker to get them to be as authentic while using their own calipers and brake pads and brackets .
By providing them with one model, only the rear brackets, I can’t see how that helps them so much .
No, this is like saying buying knock off chinese turbos is taking away money from Garret or Precision. At the end of the day, youre paying those big price tags on genuine parts for support and the warranty. You dont get that with ali-express.
Beware cheap imitations used to be the catch phrase used by the manufacturers but the Chinese have built an entire sub economy worth billions of dollars off this, they even copy boats out of New Zealand these days which have a habit of capsizing and killing people. My opinion is that they should never have made their way into Australia in the first place, customs should have destroyed them. If they came in as dic...a.s then fair play but they should also have been supplied with relevant compliance certificates as people’s lives are at risk. A Chinese turbo or inter cooler is not safety critical equipment like a braking system. In 10 years and another three owners time they will fail on some unsuspecting owner which is why they’re a bad idea and essentially illegal in this country.
snivesz32 - i totally get where you're coming from and its a crappy area in the automotive parts world. I am just trying to get the cheap chinese brakes, that i paid for fitted to my car. Regarding knock off parts. Every single item that doesnt come from BMW is a knock off of some form. I don't like that the chinese guys put the Brembo logos on these at all, i wish they didnt. But the fact they look like a brembo calliper is no different to using an aftermarket oil filter. The aftermarket filter is made to look like and work like the genuine one and sold for less money than the genuine one. Brembo cops it hard with fakes, but so does every automative manufacturer out there. Its just when someone copies a Ford headlight or bonnet for example, it doesnt seem to upset so many people.