It's just a matter of when. Once GW phases out Tactical Marines/Devastator Marines, that's likely when the Rhino/Razorback is phased out. When the Rhino kit is phased out, I reckon Predators, Vindicators and Whirlwinds are next. I reckon that since we already have successors in the Impulsor and Gladiator, they will probably come up with some "Support Impulsor" than can be built with a frontal siege cannon/mortar or rear mounted missile system. I'm just not sure if the Rhino goes first or if the Predator, Vindicator and Whirlwind go first. Personally I think Tactical Marines, Devastators and Rhino kits are phased out when all main Astartes factions have their Primaris line. Possibly end of 10th edition or early 11th.
I sought out a vindicator when they were 210pts. When it dropped to 175 I knew it was going to be a new meta. So I picked up a second one for my Daek Angel iron storm list
As a professional camping Imperial fist player. Yes they have very good damage output. But seeing as i can have these camp objective markers and benifit from both heavy when not moving. Along with various strats being tied to being on objectives or my deployment zone. Can be a usefull defensive tool also.
I love the vindicator, always have, until 10th edition. Ive played blood angels since 5th edition. I used to include a vindicator in every list. But it doesnt kill troops well, and its likely to bounce off vehicles and monsters unless they are oathed. I prefer the reapers. I can easily kill tanks in melee. In fact, i can easily kill any target in melee, its what we blood angels do. That said, baal preds and reapers keep me from having to engage so much infantry.
Running a pair in Firestorm or Gladius will open your eyes. Firestorm's +1 Str inside of 12 is easier to do than you'd think; then you get to wound most everything on 3s or 2s. Use the +2 to wound while engaged for some cheap laughs. In Gladius, with Devastator and the Storm of Fire to ignore cover, you can delete Land Raiders like a boss.
@@MrHoneumayou don’t want to compare tanks with the guard, you’ll be found wanting. Rogal Dorn can turn damage to zero and then blow you off the board with overwhelming firepower
@@markbruce8389 I just checked both the free to download core rules and wahapedia (don’t have access to my physical book atm) - and both have number of attacks included as re-rollable. Are you by chance looking for the word „shots“? Because that is not a thing. A ranged weapon‘s attacks are referred to as such, same as melee artacks. The word shots is not used, so maybe that is throwing you off?
@@Narokh yeah could be. I had someone mid game pull it on me so now I’m trying to figure it out from my own mis reading what they showed me. Either way I’m very happy to be wrong
@@lordalpharius5928We have so many rerolls, plus to wound, high strength attacks, mortal wounds, etc. ive played tsons all edition, I have never struggled to kill any unit in a turn.
Idk if he did well overall but I went 4 and 1 against ultramarines list with gulliman itonstorm running 2 vindicators and cause gulliman ability he doubled up on sustain and crit 5s with a nearby tech marine for lethals into my 8 man t cav even with minus 1 to hut and wound all that was left was the wolf lord 😆 🤣 was brutal chewed thru the body guards and the battle leader
i wouldnt say theyre the best tank. not having an invulnerable save still means they die instantly to a lot of things. they are very good against armies that lack high AP weapons like Tyranids. Not so good against armies that have lots of high AP weapons like Tau. Its a very good tank but its not the best tank. Best tanks are still the imperial guard ones IMO.
@@keenanmccarty9925 No Imperial Guard tanks have more wounds, 4+ invuln from enginseer, and access to -1 damage stratagem all of the time. They dont just have 11 wounds like the Vindicator. So I wouldnt really say they have the same weakness because they dont. Vindicators are very easy to kill in 2-3 hits where it usually takes 3-4 hits to kill a Leman Russ (and often more like 4-5 hits with armored might). Vindicators are definitely not the best tank. Not for firepower, survivability, or the ability to support them. Theyre still very good just not the best.
@@Khobai their whole thing is being inquisitor puppets and the lack of teamwork that makes other marine chapters functional the perfect thing for tyranids to exploit as soon as the first lictor gets its inevitable meal only reason that doesnt happen is imperial plotarmor
The Vindicator is 40K's best tank? Laughable. The Leman Russ Demolisher has the same main gun, the same datasheet ability, the same toughness, the same armor save, more wounds, longer movement range, a Lascannon, 2 Multi-Meltas or Plasma Cannons, and a better Pintle mounted gun, all for only 25 points more.
@@o0Takeno0o Considering the greater speed, more wounds, and significantly larger arsenal, I think thats a minor downside. Plus they can be ordered to hit on the same BS, with all those extra weapons.
@@richardseaton6390 re-rolls? Like in oath of moment? Orders? For +1 to hit like from a tech marine (also, 3+BS baseline)? And who needs invuns with a 2+ in cover with armour of contempt? What about 5+ crits with lethals and sustained 1? And a "ignore one wound a round?" And repairing?
40k used to have armor facings. they got rid of it to simplify the game and cut down on people arguing what arc theyre in. but I wish they would bring back both armor facing and weapon arcs for vehicles and just supply bases with notches every 90 degrees that have the arcs clearly marked.
@@Khobai yea the system needed a little refining, but instead they cut it for the constant need to simplify the fun out of the game and ease of tournament judging the good old days of armor facing, weapon skill comparing and morale existing
@@johnnyohm4579 wrong. it adds tactical depth to the game because it rewards you for getting behind a target. it does complicate the game a little but only a little. stratagems are what needlessly complicates 40k more than anything.
for me, it's one of the best tank from space marines codex (i always play 2 when i play ironstorm)
DO we think GW is getting rid of their stock of Vindicators to send it to legends in 11th edition?
they are definitely getting sent to legends
Yes, just like the tetras 🤣
Imperial Vindicators most likely.
Chaos would update them.
@@RocketHarry865 nah theyll be gone for chaos too
It's just a matter of when. Once GW phases out Tactical Marines/Devastator Marines, that's likely when the Rhino/Razorback is phased out. When the Rhino kit is phased out, I reckon Predators, Vindicators and Whirlwinds are next. I reckon that since we already have successors in the Impulsor and Gladiator, they will probably come up with some "Support Impulsor" than can be built with a frontal siege cannon/mortar or rear mounted missile system. I'm just not sure if the Rhino goes first or if the Predator, Vindicator and Whirlwind go first. Personally I think Tactical Marines, Devastators and Rhino kits are phased out when all main Astartes factions have their Primaris line. Possibly end of 10th edition or early 11th.
have multiple times felled Angron, big 2+ knights and the like with a single vindicator spiking from Abby+helbrute buffs!
Nice 700 point vindicator
I sought out a vindicator when they were 210pts. When it dropped to 175 I knew it was going to be a new meta. So I picked up a second one for my Daek Angel iron storm list
Vindicators ability is also not an out of phase rule so you can always overwatch with it
As a professional camping Imperial fist player. Yes they have very good damage output. But seeing as i can have these camp objective markers and benifit from both heavy when not moving. Along with various strats being tied to being on objectives or my deployment zone. Can be a usefull defensive tool also.
My opponent started the battle. My Lord Solar, leading a group of Attilan Rough Riders, got wiped by one blast from the Vindicator.
I love the vindicator, always have, until 10th edition.
Ive played blood angels since 5th edition. I used to include a vindicator in every list.
But it doesnt kill troops well, and its likely to bounce off vehicles and monsters unless they are oathed.
I prefer the reapers. I can easily kill tanks in melee. In fact, i can easily kill any target in melee, its what we blood angels do.
That said, baal preds and reapers keep me from having to engage so much infantry.
Running a pair in Firestorm or Gladius will open your eyes.
Firestorm's +1 Str inside of 12 is easier to do than you'd think; then you get to wound most everything on 3s or 2s. Use the +2 to wound while engaged for some cheap laughs.
In Gladius, with Devastator and the Storm of Fire to ignore cover, you can delete Land Raiders like a boss.
I’ve had a Vindicator throw like 27 wounds onto a stompah in 1 round of shooting. It’s got a good gun lol.
Love that I can hide Rhino chassis units under the Octarius terrain.
Love them in pact bound zealots just also just feel like the forgefiend hits harder, more regularly so I find it hard to justify more than 1
I run one in sons of sanguinius. it's not exactly optimal, but it does get a str bonus on charge mkeing it a beast at tank shock
Doesn't work sadly, the SoS Strength bonus only activates when they're selected to fight not in the Charge Phase
@@warphammer1561 right but the charcuterie bonus is active in the fight phase
Smoked meat and cheese board for the win @@michaelmastriano7566
I am happy I can use some of my old stuff
One banged one yesterday with fields of fire plus vanquisher cannon
What do you think about Pariah Nexus mission? do Tyranid is really dead faction for real this time as per GW intention in 10th edition?
Gargoyles
Laughs in Rogal Dorn
Laughs in TSons Vindicator after using Twist of Fate on the Rogal Dorn.
Laughs in Necron Immortals.
@@MrHoneuma that tson tank should never get the first shot
@@MrHoneumayou don’t want to compare tanks with the guard, you’ll be found wanting. Rogal Dorn can turn damage to zero and then blow you off the board with overwhelming firepower
@@Notachupacabrainteresting tank.
I run 3. Definitely have had the double-vidy‐lockup happen to me so they stay far away from eachother.
Love this tank
You mentioned that you could use a command point to reroll the number of shots but the strat doesn’t allow this. How do you do that then ?
The command re-roll stratagem pretty clearly states that the number of attacks made by a weapon can be re-rolled with it.
@@Narokh The little book that came with leviathan does have that and wahapedia ( I know it’s not gospel) doesn’t say it does either.
@@Narokh forget what i posted I have no idea what I read to get that idea sorry
@@markbruce8389 I just checked both the free to download core rules and wahapedia (don’t have access to my physical book atm) - and both have number of attacks included as re-rollable.
Are you by chance looking for the word „shots“? Because that is not a thing. A ranged weapon‘s attacks are referred to as such, same as melee artacks. The word shots is not used, so maybe that is throwing you off?
@@Narokh yeah could be. I had someone mid game pull it on me so now I’m trying to figure it out from my own mis reading what they showed me. Either way I’m very happy to be wrong
Tsons be like " that's a nice 2+ armour save, be a shame if I melted it away 😈"
Well then have fun wounding it on 6’s, also fnp against psychic mortals
@@lordalpharius5928We have so many rerolls, plus to wound, high strength attacks, mortal wounds, etc. ive played tsons all edition, I have never struggled to kill any unit in a turn.
Idk if he did well overall but I went 4 and 1 against ultramarines list with gulliman itonstorm running 2 vindicators and cause gulliman ability he doubled up on sustain and crit 5s with a nearby tech marine for lethals into my 8 man t cav even with minus 1 to hut and wound all that was left was the wolf lord 😆 🤣 was brutal chewed thru the body guards and the battle leader
I still wish Sisters of Battle got the Vindicator instead of a 'Predator'
The best tank in an army that doesn't have many good tanks.
I’ve been saying it saying it’s the best since the beginning of 10th
Nice
i wouldnt say theyre the best tank. not having an invulnerable save still means they die instantly to a lot of things. they are very good against armies that lack high AP weapons like Tyranids. Not so good against armies that have lots of high AP weapons like Tau. Its a very good tank but its not the best tank. Best tanks are still the imperial guard ones IMO.
Imperial guard tanks literally have the same weakness lil
everything is good against current tyranids
@@keenanmccarty9925 No Imperial Guard tanks have more wounds, 4+ invuln from enginseer, and access to -1 damage stratagem all of the time. They dont just have 11 wounds like the Vindicator. So I wouldnt really say they have the same weakness because they dont. Vindicators are very easy to kill in 2-3 hits where it usually takes 3-4 hits to kill a Leman Russ (and often more like 4-5 hits with armored might). Vindicators are definitely not the best tank. Not for firepower, survivability, or the ability to support them. Theyre still very good just not the best.
@@ashardalondragnipurake deathwatch arnt. and their whole thing is supposed to be killing tyranids lmao
@@Khobai their whole thing is being inquisitor puppets
and the lack of teamwork that makes other marine chapters functional
the perfect thing for tyranids to exploit as soon as the first lictor gets its inevitable meal
only reason that doesnt happen is imperial plotarmor
Laughs in hammer head
The Vindicator is 40K's best tank?
Laughable. The Leman Russ Demolisher has the same main gun, the same datasheet ability, the same toughness, the same armor save, more wounds, longer movement range, a Lascannon, 2 Multi-Meltas or Plasma Cannons, and a better Pintle mounted gun, all for only 25 points more.
but he hits worse
@@o0Takeno0o Considering the greater speed, more wounds, and significantly larger arsenal, I think thats a minor downside. Plus they can be ordered to hit on the same BS, with all those extra weapons.
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I hate to do this but when you said "6.9 wounds nice" ...
Why is 6.9 almost the best...
It's 69 but ruined by a period.
Nowhere near the best tank around - it’s objectively worse than a Leman Russ Demolisher and that’s not even the best tank in the guard.
Guard tanks don't get Space Marine/ chaos space marine buffs
@@donnerrob6615 No they get orders and invulnerable saves, plus re-rolls to hit from supporting units.
@@richardseaton6390 re-rolls? Like in oath of moment?
Orders? For +1 to hit like from a tech marine (also, 3+BS baseline)?
And who needs invuns with a 2+ in cover with armour of contempt?
What about 5+ crits with lethals and sustained 1? And a "ignore one wound a round?" And repairing?
I hate ironstorm it's a just get tanks and do nothing and learn how not to play
why even play a game where tanks dont even have armor facings
why does thing have any save at all from any direction except the front
40k used to have armor facings. they got rid of it to simplify the game and cut down on people arguing what arc theyre in. but I wish they would bring back both armor facing and weapon arcs for vehicles and just supply bases with notches every 90 degrees that have the arcs clearly marked.
@@Khobai yea the system needed a little refining, but instead they cut it for the constant need to simplify the fun out of the game and ease of tournament judging
the good old days of armor facing, weapon skill comparing and morale existing
Armor facings are stupid as fuck for a board game and do nothing but needlessly complicate it.
@@johnnyohm4579 yea flanking is such a stupid thing to have in a strategy game
@@johnnyohm4579 wrong. it adds tactical depth to the game because it rewards you for getting behind a target. it does complicate the game a little but only a little. stratagems are what needlessly complicates 40k more than anything.
Hate that fucking thing. Anti-everything nonsense unit.
Enormous? It's a rhino chassis lmao
yeah its ridiculously small if anything