It's these little details that turn a model railway from "Oh, that's OK" into "WOW, look at that!". I've picked up lots of things like that because others have been kind enough to share their clever ideas.
I'm glad I somehow ended up on this side of TH-cam. I admire the amount of care and ingenuity you've put into your layout, and this project turned out pretty nice. My guess with the jerkiness is the strength of the magnets - maybe when the attraction is there the model gets pulled down a little too much, meaning it can't roll as freely? You could always experiment with magnets of different strengths to try and placate that.
As a matter of fact Lewis Hammond, I have been doing just that. Thanks for your insights. . I don't have the mathematical or scientific skills to figure out the science of it, but I have been tinkering, and I'm happy with the way that it works now. .. Thanks for checking it out.
Extremely awesome creation and video. I work in the security industry and we often use "rare earth " magnets which are extremely strong. They might help. Thanks for a great video.
Hello Gus. Lost all data when my phone crashed meaning all my subscriptions as well. Luckily I was able to find you and I just resigned for a second time. Hoping this time it lasts. Your tutorials are the best
Realy nice! you inspired me to do similar things on my layout. By the way you should look into modeling servos for movments - they are much more compact acurators and combined with arduinos makes realy nice and relativly cheap systems. Good job!
What a cool idea, the first thing I saw was a steam engine motion going, like you ssy a little stronger magnet might work but I think you need them closer to each other to get a smother operation, keep up the great ideas, look foward to see more soon. ...
Thanks Adam. . I have been lurking in the background as other have talked about those systems. . I just have not started to look. . But I definitely will check it out. . Thank you very much. .
Instead of magnets, you could use a thin, strong wire attached to the bottom to eliminate the erratic drag? Just an idea. The idea would be to conceal the wire.
Where you the Portland Train show in 2017 for NMRA? I know I’ve seen this layout in the PNW. It was fun to watch this I think I have pictures from the train show on this. Somewhere.
I ALWAYS drive the CAT like that when I am either REALLY tired, or had way too much to drink the night before. Just sober the little guy up some, buddy. hee hee Oh, and REALLY great job there. The jerking can be resolved somewhat by using any sort of oil where the CAT slides back & forth on. I would try WD-40 first, unless the surface is plastic or such that the petrol base would melt. You can also try graphite powder.
Michel Gaudet, hahahaha , Thanks for your comments. . . I think he drives as well as can be expected for His condition, hahaha. . . As far as SLIDING, the wheels are actually Rolling back n forth, and I did lubricate the axle. The surface for the record is actually Red sand. . .
I suspect that the jerky movement is more down to the roughness of the ground, rather than the strength of the magnetic force. If anything, stronger magnets might increase the judder.
If you mounted the entire mechanism so it pivots at the point where the conveyor begins in the scene, and got a second motor and build a linkage that attaches 90° to the end of the assembly, then you can actually rotate the entire mechanism. Look at surplus electronics stores and find a DC gear motor... You can regulate it's speed with a DC voltage regulator, just like with the trains. Run it at a lower voltage, so it's _much_ slower. If it's slow enough, then the Caterpillar will appear to widely deviate from the same path, as if it were pushing dirt from multiple locations toward the conveyor. DEFINITELY use a neodymium magnet on the piston mechanism. That should have the power to drag the Caterpillar more smoothly. The Caterpillar seems to bolt off the line a bit too rapidly. It feels a bit to fast to feel natural to me, and not just cause of the jerkiness. The synchronous motor isn't able to be slowed down without a variable frequency drive, but you CAN slow it down with a simple mechanical solution. Just look for either gears or pulleys (surplus electronics suppliers tend to have stuff like that too) to create a speed reduction ratio. It adds some complexity to everything, but might improve the realism. Another thing to consider, it to just check how easily those wheels spin. friction will make it jerky, as will a weak magnetic field. Field strength DRASTICALLY tapers off with distance. If necessary, consider milling out the plywood so it's VERY thin where the magnet sits. A little lubricant might help with the jerkiness too, especially if the wheels don't spin that easily. If you are concerned with a liquid lubricant dripping and staining your layout, try something like a graphite powder lubricant. It can be found near the key making section of a typical hardware store (it's used to lubricate the tumblers of a lock)
Excellent richfiles, Thanks for your observations and suggestions. . . I have been 'tinkering' but nothing earth shattering as of yet. But again thanks, and I will consider and play with those ideas.
The next time that you do this, try looking into linear actuators, and then try learning about ARDUINO's and programming them. It will open up a whole new world of realistic animation for you. I wish you all the best in the future.
They are RARE EARTH MAGNETS and Yes Quite strong, When stacked on top of each other, It Is Very Hard to pull them apart. *** Large N50 Neodymium Block Magnets Super Strong Rare Earth 1/2" × 3/8" × 1/4"*** is the description on the popular selling site. . .
Hmm... Thinking about this, you might be better off milling a groove into the bottom of the plywood. Maybe even take the groove deep enough top leave only a single ply left. The distance of the magnets, combined with the pull strength may be increasing the friction and leaving the angle of the magnetic pull too shallow to overcome that friction. It might even be worth trying smaller magnets, with the reduced distance, if you still have trouble with jitter.
I got them in a Grab Bag from a vendor at a train show... Looking at them now, and there is No markings on them at all. No Maker or Numbers . not much help. There is a train show this weekend in Evanston Wyo. I can look around at the vendors there if you like. sorry, not much help.
Great question. I showed opening the box and taking the machine out, but failed to Clearly show it. . .It is by NORSCOT Scale Models. .Construction Mini's are close to N Scale. . Thanks for asking.
It's these little details that turn a model railway from "Oh, that's OK" into "WOW, look at that!".
I've picked up lots of things like that because others have been kind enough to share their clever ideas.
Thank you for your comment. . It is appreicated. .
I'm glad I somehow ended up on this side of TH-cam. I admire the amount of care and ingenuity you've put into your layout, and this project turned out pretty nice. My guess with the jerkiness is the strength of the magnets - maybe when the attraction is there the model gets pulled down a little too much, meaning it can't roll as freely? You could always experiment with magnets of different strengths to try and placate that.
As a matter of fact Lewis Hammond, I have been doing just that. Thanks for your insights. . I don't have the mathematical or scientific skills to figure out the science of it, but I have been tinkering, and I'm happy with the way that it works now. .. Thanks for checking it out.
Extremely awesome creation and video. I work in the security industry and we often use "rare earth " magnets which are extremely strong. They might help. Thanks for a great video.
Hello Gus. Lost all data when my phone crashed meaning all my subscriptions as well. Luckily I was able to find you and I just resigned for a second time. Hoping this time it lasts. Your tutorials are the best
Glad to have you back, and Thank You. More coming soon.
Excellent job👍
Thanks 👍
Awesome!
Realy nice! you inspired me to do similar things on my layout. By the way you should look into modeling servos for movments - they are much more compact acurators and combined with arduinos makes realy nice and relativly cheap systems. Good job!
Very creative! Maybe sand the wheels on the tractor and a drop of oil?
What a cool idea, the first thing I saw was a steam engine motion going, like you ssy a little stronger magnet might work but I think you need them closer to each other to get a smother operation, keep up the great ideas, look foward to see more soon. ...
Thanks Jack, I'm still playing with it, and YUP, working on some other stuff.
Great job with the innovative way that you did this. Thanks for showing us how you did this project....John
Thanks John, I had fun, Part II , his co-worker will be showing up soon.
Very nice and creative 👍
Thank you, i was fun to do.
Another great idea and how-to video Guss, defiantly going to be watching for updates.
Rick
Very well done. Nice idea. Great implementation.
Thanks for sharing...
Thank You RE Monigold. . .I had fun, and now working on his 'brother' in the sand pit. Hope to have it done soon..
WELL DONE !!! well described i will eventually try one...
Thank you mstanco. . . .
Good job. That's dedication! Thank you.
I'm impressed,very cool!
Thank You Justin Furlough, I appreciate your comment. I am working on other things, I hope they will be as cool. . . thanks.
Excellent innovation! Well presented also.
Thank you Robert. Much appreciated. .
Man, that is brilliant! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you John. . .
Thanks Adam. . I have been lurking in the background as other have talked about those systems. . I just have not started to look. . But I definitely will check it out. . Thank you very much. .
Instead of magnets, you could use a thin, strong wire attached to the bottom to eliminate the erratic drag? Just an idea. The idea would be to conceal the wire.
Cool nicely done.
Where you the Portland Train show in 2017 for NMRA? I know I’ve seen this layout in the PNW. It was fun to watch this I think I have pictures from the train show on this. Somewhere.
No, Just been hanging around in the Utah shows. But thanks for asking.
That was really cool, thanks for sharing.
My mom taught me to share. Thank you for your comment.
Excellrnt, Gus!
I ALWAYS drive the CAT like that when I am either REALLY tired, or had way too much to drink the night before. Just sober the little guy up some, buddy. hee hee Oh, and REALLY great job there. The jerking can be resolved somewhat by using any sort of oil where the CAT slides back & forth on. I would try WD-40 first, unless the surface is plastic or such that the petrol base would melt. You can also try graphite powder.
Michel Gaudet, hahahaha , Thanks for your comments. . . I think he drives as well as can be expected for His condition, hahaha. . . As far as SLIDING, the wheels are actually Rolling back n forth, and I did lubricate the axle. The surface for the record is actually Red sand. . .
A great idea thank you I will give it a try
I suspect that the jerky movement is more down to the roughness of the ground, rather than the strength of the magnetic force. If anything, stronger magnets might increase the judder.
That was fantastic !
Thanks for you comment David, I see that you have some N scale running also. . .Excellent. . . will have to keep in touch.
Train Details by Guss Your welcome !
well done are you going to add more animation ? if you do make Videos about them
well done are you going to add more animation ? if you do make Videos about them?
Great job! Makes me want to go make one now!
Thanks JohnPW22 . . .
Great job!
Saw you guys again at the last show. I'm curious if you could share how you built your module shown here.
You want to know how the module framework was made/built ? or you want to know about the scenery and such above the framework?
@@TrainDetailsbyGuss ,the framework please.
wow mr.guss that is nice bro. cool man
Thank You Tyrone, Appreciate your comment.
Hey guss when you get a chance, check out my layout bro.
I checked out a few, and Subed ya, so I will be back. Later , Dude.
you need a stronger magnet, or a thinner layout board, also make sure wheels do not stick
Thanks Daphne, I did some additional testing including those ideas.
Nice Job
Thanks don .
try using neodium magnets instead of ordinary magnet. they are stronger- stonger force will have better pull.
Will have to look into that for project #2. Thanks.
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you mounted the entire mechanism so it pivots at the point where the conveyor begins in the scene, and got a second motor and build a linkage that attaches 90° to the end of the assembly, then you can actually rotate the entire mechanism. Look at surplus electronics stores and find a DC gear motor... You can regulate it's speed with a DC voltage regulator, just like with the trains. Run it at a lower voltage, so it's _much_ slower. If it's slow enough, then the Caterpillar will appear to widely deviate from the same path, as if it were pushing dirt from multiple locations toward the conveyor. DEFINITELY use a neodymium magnet on the piston mechanism. That should have the power to drag the Caterpillar more smoothly.
The Caterpillar seems to bolt off the line a bit too rapidly. It feels a bit to fast to feel natural to me, and not just cause of the jerkiness. The synchronous motor isn't able to be slowed down without a variable frequency drive, but you CAN slow it down with a simple mechanical solution. Just look for either gears or pulleys (surplus electronics suppliers tend to have stuff like that too) to create a speed reduction ratio. It adds some complexity to everything, but might improve the realism.
Another thing to consider, it to just check how easily those wheels spin. friction will make it jerky, as will a weak magnetic field. Field strength DRASTICALLY tapers off with distance. If necessary, consider milling out the plywood so it's VERY thin where the magnet sits. A little lubricant might help with the jerkiness too, especially if the wheels don't spin that easily. If you are concerned with a liquid lubricant dripping and staining your layout, try something like a graphite powder lubricant. It can be found near the key making section of a typical hardware store (it's used to lubricate the tumblers of a lock)
Excellent richfiles, Thanks for your observations and suggestions. . . I have been 'tinkering' but nothing earth shattering as of yet. But again thanks, and I will consider and play with those ideas.
SWEET!
Thanks Ron.
drunk cat operator ,must be after a liquid lunch
HA HA HA. . . gotta be the truth.
The next time that you do this, try looking into linear actuators, and then try learning about ARDUINO's and programming them. It will open up a whole new world of realistic animation for you. I wish you all the best in the future.
he did this on his own very creative and cost effective i am impressed.
Thought the thumbnail picture looked familiar. Saw this at the last train show.
It will be at Thanksgiving Point in Jan. and Ogden in Mar. . .Stop by and say Hi.
Train Details by Guss, I shall if I make it. :)
Bahn I thought the same thing, I saw it in sandy
Yup in Sandy at the Nov train show. I live here in West Jordan. Say Hi at ThanksGiving Point if you come by.
Train Details by Guss yeah I going, I am going to run a 2-8-0 on an ho railroad
Not bad
Thank You. Your comment is much appreciated.
Cool! How thick is the plywood?
Thanks, The Plywood decking on my layout is 1/2" in thickness.
That must be a pretty strong magnet!
They are RARE EARTH MAGNETS and Yes Quite strong, When stacked on top of each other, It Is Very Hard to pull them apart.
*** Large N50 Neodymium Block Magnets Super Strong Rare Earth 1/2" × 3/8" × 1/4"*** is the description on the popular selling site. . .
Hmm... Thinking about this, you might be better off milling a groove into the bottom of the plywood. Maybe even take the groove deep enough top leave only a single ply left. The distance of the magnets, combined with the pull strength may be increasing the friction and leaving the angle of the magnetic pull too shallow to overcome that friction. It might even be worth trying smaller magnets, with the reduced distance, if you still have trouble with jitter.
Where did you get that red N scale flatbed semi-truck?
I got them in a Grab Bag from a vendor at a train show... Looking at them now, and there is No markings on them at all. No Maker or Numbers . not much help. There is a train show this weekend in Evanston Wyo. I can look around at the vendors there if you like. sorry, not much help.
You should be getting paid by Home Depot for the advertising!
hahahahaha I think the check is in the mail. . . . . yea !
What company makes the wheel loader?
Great question. I showed opening the box and taking the machine out, but failed to Clearly show it. . .It is by NORSCOT Scale Models. .Construction Mini's are close to N Scale. . Thanks for asking.
You'd better not be using track cutters on wire :D
Uh, perhaps over stepped a boundary, but not admitting to it. :D Thanks.
Actually its more realistic, if it was too smooth it would look like its staged
Thanks, those were my thoughts exactly. . .