I really appreciate this interview! I've been learning a lot about Zimbabwean history, mainly from fiction books by NoViolet Bulawayo and Novuyo Rosa Tschuma (especially the latter) who wrote about the genocide, and I'm glad to have found your interview! Some of your interviews are in Ndebele and I haven't been able to see the translation, so I particularly appreciate the interview in English. Thank you so much for your work!
Thank you very much Zenzele for the interview. Many thanks to Mr Ndhlovu for a well articulated explanation. Archives. That's were propaganda of divide and rule started.
Thank you for the good and informative interviewing.This will one step at a time sooner or later bring the truth on the table and eventually bringing peace at last to all the people of 🇿🇼 irregardless of which tribe you come from. My biggest dream is to one day see a unified 🇿🇼 from all corners of the country .
Who says Zimbabweans do not have peace and unity, or mayb u are a foreignor.Zimbabweans live in harmony infact our tribes are intertwined anyone is free to work, live, visit any place in Zim despite tribal class.Our political parties do embrace different supporters from choice all tribes whether Zanu pf, MDCs, CCC etc Actually Zim is tranquil comparable to some of our neighbours such as Mzansi where we are lives are been violated due to xenophobic attitudes.True Gukurahundi was contained successful thus coming to an end and indeed was a moment of madness.
As a white Policeman I had Mr Nkomos house in Pelindaba under my Security watch. We were always respectful towards each other and was in fact friends with some of his Family and top men. We witnessed the rage between Zanu and Zapu during the Entumbane time and realised then that had Zipra (Or ZAPU) and Smiths Government joined forces we would have had a different Zimbabwe today. A pity Mr Nkoma chose to support Mugabe as it was only a question if time before old tribal hatreds would emerge and the shona would use their power to take down the Ndebele and any opposition. Mugabes election was won only on a numbers game, thats all, 80% Shona and 20% Ndebele. Doesnt take a genius to have seen that from the begining. A united Government under Nkomo, Muzorewa and Smith would and could have build a Fantastic country for us all. RIP Mr Nkomo, just a pity you couldnt see the Trees for the forest at the time. Zanla forces were absoluitly no match at all against the Rhodesian army (80% Blacks) and the Zipra forces.
Why would Nkomo join the Rhodesian army and Smith when what he was fighting for was Black independence? Smith was essentially fighting AGAINT black majority rule. Why would joining him make any sense for Nkomo?
The Shona and Ndebele relationship is a little like that of the English and the French. Both tribes have had so many wars, they are never really sure of the others loyalty. Both tribes will stick together against a common enemy but quickly quarrel when no one else is involved. The Gukurahundi was a bad bit of history that was probably inevitable. I still think it would have been better to split Zimbabwe in two. Matableleland will always struggle in a system where they are ruled by people that do not love them. It would be the same if England was ruled by the French. The French would never want England to flourish and vice versa. The Shona would hate Bulawayo to become the capital and be ruled by the Ndebele but are happy for the status quo of ruling over the Ndebele.
All of africas borders should be redrawn according to the ethnic and tribal lines, not what was convenient to the European colonizers Would've saved a lot of lives
@@drkinferno72 it can still be done but central governments often dont like the idea of their areas that they control getting smaller. If tribes and cultures want control of their own destiny they often have to fight for it. Look at the map of Europe and it has changed constantly in history as the power of each tribe has waxed and waned.
@@drkinferno72Borders are changing all the time, look at the Austrian/ Hungarian Empire, entity 1 nation a100 years ago. 15 nations now.(that's a guess, so no smart arse comments, I could go on wikapeedia and check, but I've got a life.). Its a mixture of natural selection and good choices of what is good for the common good of my people. Balanced with working with others groups for the common benefit of both, we can all take it back to the stone age but why...
I know him, he was once based at 52 infantry battalion during those days with the likes of captain Masuku who later deserted the army and went to South Africa. All the ex zipras were put under the 'pooling system' just to wood wink the media and some of the Western countries except Thatcher (Britain) who was the main architect of the idea to 1. Decimate zapu & zipra to give zanu total control so as to protect British interest in Zimbabwe 2. Kill off the ANC & Umkhonto wesizwe strategy of using Zimbabwe as their strategic springboard to launch their attacks on apartheid South Africa. 3. Completely remove USSR influence in Southern Africa. 4. Severely punish Nkomo, zapu, zipra and followers for the downing of the two Rhodesian civilian airplanes during the heat of the war and Nkomo's subsequent refusal to apologize. I lived within the 5th brigade as a civilian from 1985 to 1993.
Thanks Zenzele, as much as this issue deserves to be discussed, anger and resentment can’t leave me, now that all those perpetrators are still ruling without any regrets.
This has been the missing link for Ndebeles, space and opportunity to share their experiences and aspirations as a whole without being muzzled by zanu shonas, many Ndebeles do not know their history coz zanu has been blocking the rich Ndebele war history at school and fear and threats of reprisals if they grouped together to determine a better future as an oppressed and abused people, 'ayhlom'hlasele '
You are tribalistic, which defeats what you are saying.Loads of Ndebeles and Shonas live well together.You are lost.Zimbabwe is miles ahead of this tomfoolery!
@@fortula.tichwagoramuog8784 did i say they don't live together? Zanu leaders are the tribalists who killed innocent unarmed civilians coz they were Ndebeles and thought to be a threat to zanu shona party, Matabeleland has been marginalised and persecuted starting with their Zapu Ndebele leaders put in jail under trumped up charges by shona leaders at which even when the courts acquitted them zanu shona leaders refused to abide by the lawful court judgement and kept the Ndebele leaders in jail torturing and persecuting them ensuring many died in jail for no reason and as a piss on the constitution and democratic process, that is what tribalism is if you were pretending not to know, Ndebeles are Victims of tribalism I
Even when in jail under that persecution shona zanu leaders visited Dabengwa trying to force him and his colleagues in jail to join zanu that's what tribalism is, the zanu genocide against Ndebeles is what tribalism is, even at Dabengwa's death zanu leaders still alive and leading the country still refuse to apologise and allow victims of their attacks on Ndebeles and blocking peace process for closure so people move forward from where zanu left them, all the commission reports absolving Ndebeles and laying the blame on Shonas for killings executed by shona govt leaders they keep blocking them.from being published to date why? Coz they are hiding evidence of their tribalism and hate for Ndebeles at a time Ndebeles had fought for Zimbabwe independence and should have been enjoying with their Shona counterparts zanu descended on them trying to exterminate them coz they were Ndebeles and they hated them whilst no Shonas were killed but only Ndebeles in Matabeleland were under attack, that is what tribalism is, mugabe called the Ndebele killings under his leadership "a moment of madness ",that is what tribalism is
@@fortula.tichwagoramuog8784 are you aware since the 80's orphans and widows left by the fifth brigade in that horrific shona mayhem were never attended to to date? Some have no.IDs or way of moving forward coz govt has been dragging its feet 3 decades later whilst those people are continued to suffer, you know how some of those without birth certificates and IDs are a result of the soldiers rape of Ndebeles women and young girls, what's your proposals in assistance so those people can finally be assisted? Instead of your defence of a genocide and such horrific treatment of Ndebeles just coz of their language that's different from the shona one, that's what tribalism is
@Shingirai it is very funny indeed, a black person hates another black person to the point of genocide then turn around and mourn about racism 🤔 I think black people should learn to love each other first before demanding to be loved by whites.
Many Shonas thought Gukuraundi was just a myth and were in denial that their hero Mugabe was a monster until when he turned his axe and started culling them like disease infested rats from year 2000 they started squealing and mourning .(..aah! vakomana ka Mugabe haite anouraya).
good journalism. sad it was short. love that you conducted it in English as well, which is very accomodating compared to what us shonas would have done.
North Korea, one of the poorest nations, has an almost unparraleled history of brutality to its own people. It is not possible to learn how to make a better country from North Koreans.
Firstly, the US launched the Korean War which killed at least 20 per cent of the population with 3 cities being completely destroyed. If the Koreans became paranoid, there is a reason. There is no indication in this interview that the cruelty used by the 5th Brigade was taught by the Koreans. In fact there is every indication that Gukurahundi began after Mnangagwa ha made an agreement with the apartheid government and General Sir Edward Jones became commander of the British forces in Zimbabwe. The Koreans trained but did not deploy the 5th Brigade.. Perrance Shiri was rewarded with a scholarship to the Royal College of Defence Studies by te British.
On December 31 1982 a Rancher and his family just off the Vic Falls road were shot to death at 9am. They were fetching the maze meal from the main Falls road to take back to the homestead. Six were shot to death two of them were children aged 4 and 2 years old. Can anyone furnish pictures, reports, statements on this Fifth Brigade ambush?
@@gakhumalo55 nonsense , the 5 th brigade were seperate from the zim army , trained by North Korea as a force loyal to zanu rather than to zim as a whole . Nothing to do with the British
@@patrickkelly9110 I agree with all that you say but do remember Perence Shiri came straight from training in the UK to head the 5th Brigade! It was more geopolitical then anything every Soviet backed independence movement was opposed by the West! Last thing they wanted was for South Africa to fall under Soviet influence! Renamo, MPLA, ZAPU, SWAPO were all Soviet backed except Zanu! So they rigged the elections for Mugabe on the understanding he neutered Zapu!
A truth commission would do wonders. It would bring some kind of closure or dig up more anger. The anger would be because these so called leaders refuse to own up to all the terrible things they commanded. One day the truth shall be spoken.
Its a sad story.. ZANU has a history of killing vanorarama neropa revanhu.. I'm just sorry for what happened to people from Matabeleland and Midlands.. Zimbabwe we must unite and remove this creature called zanu
God can heal the wounds caused as they are morely spiritual rather than physical. ...Inasmuch as you may try all these other physical methods, nothing will have lasting effect except God be involved for He is the only one who can truly heal the spiritual wounds of the masses.....
Its very sad indeed some1 should be held accountable soon.i understand why mugabe didint release Chihambabwe report.Its good we have this on public domain.I'm so touched😰💔
There is always the other side of every story. It's like the Rhodesian bush war. Your always hear from the ex Rhodes soldiers. You don't hear from the civilians black or white what their experiences were.It would shed more light if you could also interview Shona and ndebele civilians who were caught up in that madness and hear their stories not just one ex military .This guys are trained to kill .I don't trust them.
@@benedictlubi7620 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee With great vengeance and furious anger Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers And you will know my name is the Lord When I lay my vengeance upon thee
I think this man was a prisoner of the 5th brigade! It must have been an ordeal for him and other Ndebeles that were unfortunate enough to find themselves in this predicament! I praise his bravery for doing this interview.
i doubt that ndlovu guy. the fifth brigade was drawn from the shonas. how come he claims to be an ex 5th brigade????? all zipra guys were removed from the 5th brigade
@@takudzwamukanyima1006 yep he's Matabele, I have no doubt. We all criticize and call him names, but in a 1 party state what are your options, yep going to spell them out. 1 .. self preservation, do what the orders say. The Nazi approach to orders .. 2 Join the dissidents, 1 mans dissident is another mans freedom fighter,.. As Whiston Churchill said the victors write history, that's the difference between the dissident and freedom fighter. 3 The Odds 3 to 1 isn't that bad, 10 to 1 not good he has said what he witnessed, yep he may not be able to face up to what he witnessed or his deeds? As a young man our views are different, as we get old, being a live gets less important,.
Every group of that 5th Bridget was having three Zipra Ndebeles , I'm from Kezi near that Bhalagwe , where a lot of people where killed and this is not Shonas who did this it's Zanu pf like Nkala
Officer, the truth is you were part and parcel of the brigade that committed massive killings in Matabeleland. You cannot exonerate yourself from what happened. You seem to have details of what happened, but surprisingly you tell us you were not at the front. You want to give the impression that you did not kill anyone. My honest response is that I do not believe you. You are telling us the whole truth.Why didn't you resign. If they could not allow you, surely you could abscond. I have had of many cases of soldiers who have done that. surprisingly you did not.I have also heard of cases where soldiers are deployed or transferred from one brigade to another. My sixth sense tells me that if they wanted to remove Ndebele soldiers from the brigade, they could have transferred them to other brigades where they would not be a threat.Right now you are a mature person who regrets what happened. Come out openly and tell us what you did and people will forgive you.
then how many did he himself kill during the moment of madness , which was so organised , planned and deployed only to get rid of those whom gushungo considered a threat to his rule , and so 20,00 perished brutally in the parts or zones that they operated.
I do not have much information on how Ndebeles were killed in the rural areas, but i am worried that Ndebele people avoid touching on the Endumbane uprisings where ex Zipra soldiers were killing Shonas in Bulawayo. I have my own uncle shot down because he was Shona. They had this saying in Ndebele (excuse my spellings i can't write in Ndebele), 'Amasvina lawa babe inyama yemikhonto yabo baba bethu - which meant that these Shonas were meat for our fathers' spears'. This was one of the causes for the fall out. You guys you are biased in your narrations, we want people who tell the truth.
My condolences. I think as Zimbabweans we need to work together to solve this problem of tribalism. To address all these massacres and to work on nation building and building the Zimbabwean identity. To fix the way we teach history and stop marginalising each other. If we aren't to address any of these problems we'll never have national unity or stability.
According to Dr Joshua Nkomo, it was not a tribal issue. He categorically dismisses this idea calls it a mistake to think or say so. Watch his interview on this link th-cam.com/video/fplUJxMLgcU/w-d-xo.html . I am not saying it was or not wasn't.
I have heard about the brutality of selous scouts and their operations in matabeleland. Why is it that we seem to have removed them from the equation. I believe they have answers to most of our questions
We are proud of you Zenzele. Keep up your good work. I'm sure you are looking at combining all your documentaries and write the History that will be taught in schools about the people if Zim.
@@carringtonndhlovu6145nobody is okay with anybody killing a fellow man but the problem is u put hate on other civilians whilst all these years you had Perence Shiri in your presence and never questioned him who led that brigade,u have munangagwa as well but your anger is on some shona kids who wer not even present by that time who are trying their level best to vote all these people out
Please don’t say Shona people. Mention names if you can. I’m Shona and I love my fellow countrymen. It’s sickening anyone who killed someone just for power.
Frank Dube It wasn’t tribal u Ndebele Rat !!! Why don’t you just leave our country hatikufarirei muri mboko, vakadzi venyu vanoda kuiswa nesu zvakanyanya !!! Shona is superiority respect the RACE - TERM - LANGUAGE!!!! Otherwise you know where the door is 🚪GO 💨 TSEK MATUZVI EVANHU munongo popota!!!
@@hrbtodisdaaay9221 Stop throwing insults around and engage in a mature and intellectual manner. You are just imotional and contributing nothing to this debate
+Frank Dube he has been going throughout the comment section posting similar, clearly tribalistic comments like this. I don't know of he's serving another agenda or what, but it might be better to ignore and continue as if he didn't comment.
CIO and fifth brigade are very different. CIO are pretty much the states assassins whilst fifth brigade was on a much larger scale. It may be true that there were Shonas killed by fifth brigade but that was probably through association (live in matebeleland = Ndebele or ZAPU supporter) since afterall, they did operate mostly in rural areas. Tribal cleansing has no place in this country and the stuff which happened is against our culture. People are not killed unless in war. This was a huge affront to who we are as a people and I'm honestly disgusted. We must work to bring peace, to build unity and allow the dead to rest in peace. HAZVIITE!!!
Mugabe wanted a one party state, so the well trained Nkomo's ZIPRA forces were a threat to his reign, so obviously all the Ndebele people supported him by ethnic default, so it was elimination and intimidation to suppress any uprising / coup deta by the ZIPRA & Ndebele forces then. Generally, before and after the war, the Shona and Ndebele naturally disliked and were cynical towards each other.
@@foxbat473 I think your account is more representative of what actually happened. Even Dabengwa agrees that there was this arms shipment through Tanzania, but in order to protect himself, he says it belonged to the ANC fighters whom they were helping - what else can he say when caught red handed. ANC never had a military base in Zimbabwe and any such base should have been authorised by the govt. So even if i was Mugabe at the time, there was every reason to suspect that Zapu was up to something. Dissidents would hide in the civilians but hit and run at night, that left no option for the 5th brigade, except to unfortunately torture the villagers. One guy who was in the operations told me that initially the 5th brigade went through many villages searching peacefully for dissidents and the answer they got was we never was any here. Later on gunfire was heard from the villages that they had searched and that is when the game plan changed, they realised that the dissidents were among the people, that is when they started going back and torturing people, and indeed there are cases where they were told where guys were hidden. Where torture is used it cant be good at all, its sad that honest women were at the receiving end if their husbands were suspected to be involved. The other worrying thing is that the number of deaths keeps growing. For many years this number based on CCJP report was estimated at 20 000, but recently the number has doubled to 40 000. This is because in recent years there has been a lot of talk about it with some throwing in the idea of compensating the affected families - and its no surprise the number suddenly short up to 40 000. But it may be necessary to actually identify all the mass graves and extrapolate these numbers. It doesn't make sense to just thump suck numbers as is now happening, Its not an easy task to bury a person, especially where people had to bury a number of people at once. what i see is reluctance from the Ndebeles of any wrong doing, they want us to believe that the army just went out killing Ndebeles, If that was the case, that army should just have lined on the boarder of Matland and move in killing people - but that is not the case, there were specisfic areas where the killings happened where the dissident activity was identified.
@@foxbat473 Just for the record, maybe you made a typo error there. currently the estimated population is 17m, Ndebeles make 20%, which is about 3.4million. But having said that, 20 000 is not an easy number to just bury, one would need excavators to bury such a number, in my view it is way overstated, but that is not to justify the events that took place.
Africans should start to have a mind shift. The point I like to make here is, the people who run for office they should choose to unite their people, first starting a culture of Ubuntu in word and action. If Africans are to survive it's important to have one voice for the benefit of all Africans. There is enough evidence that solving problems along the tribal identity was,is and will be wrong. In order to survive Africans should solve their problems along the lines of Ubuntu. The patriarchal systems had failed the world, especially Africans.Africa is being exploited while they are busy fighting each other. This has to stop.
So who will bring to book Zapu youths backed by Zipra forces who mounted road blocks on Khami ,Luveve and Hyde Park roads where Shonas were flushed from vehicles through id checking beaten up and some killed in 1980?The door to door (house to house searches destroying property and killing Shonas in Pumula East/North/Magwegwe/Njube/Mpopoma/Luveve/Gwabalanda/Entumbane.I was in my teens and i witnessed those disturbances, thanks to Caroline Gumbo who informed my family about the impending searches hence i bent all Zanu regalia before the August 1980 start of violence.I personally know some Zapu men and women who led the onslaught ,a commission or truth and reconciliation commission would be welcome.Babethi amatshona wonke kacaphe utshangane!
I don't think it was tribal but the army was fighting insurgents however, the way it contacted it's operation became political. Even shonas were killed during this madness period
Elton Munyama if you don't have anything better to say you better go back and eat your rats swina ndini. That brigade was formed to destroy the matebele people, we have more than 30000 of our innocent people killed in Matebeleland. Tell us how many swina people were killed by their terrorists 5th brigade?
dondolo mhlaba Musatanyoko mwana wehure!!! U have to respect us Shonas how dare u call us swina u 🐀 !!! You had it coming get over it or pack your smelly goods and off u go like Rhodician 🐷 (
Tinashe Pikasso no one knows about this guruswe thing, its called Bulawayo the city of kings and you will never change it. To remind you zezuru that the land you claim to be yours is not and was never yours, I will go back to KZN and you go eat your rats back home in Rwanda or Burundi where you come from
What worries me the most is the natural hatred that the Ndebele have towards all Shonas up to date, even a ten year old shona is hated like he was also involved in Gukurahundi killings !!! given the chance they will massacre all the Shonaz
The bible in Nehemiah says, the sins of your grandfathers will put onto third,fourth generation. Until you repent. Shona people has a lot of blood in their hands. Repentance mean you turn from your old ways to new. In this case, a word to word need to be spoken to one to another, " a word of repentance" as well as taking back what you have stolen. Its a wound that can never cure literally, they should be an action. Our parents, grand parents were brutalised. And we cannot ignore the pain. A lot of orphans left with no where to go, no food. Only God saw us through and still see us through. I was not there but I really feel the pain our parents went through.
Not objective because there is a lot of information concerning the mobilisation by Zapu to influence a rebellion in matebeleland.its a fact like he said they never imagined a country run by the Shona speaking people
Never said Shona pple he said Zanu... There is a difference... Did you even know that Zapu had a lot of Shona speaking cadres.. Probably not... ZANU broke away from Zapu by the way... Because some Shona speaking pple thot it was a good idea... Even within the Shona tribes they hate each other.. Hence why tongogara and them assassinated Chitepo and killed pple like Nhari and Mukono
This tribal beef disgust me, is it ever gonna end? How is it ever gonna end? By Ndebeles killing the Shonas until they feel its even? When Gukurahundi victims are resurrected? If the ones responsible for the massacre apologizes, are u able to forgive them? Im Shona but im unable to kill a chicken without feeling pity for it. Im sorry to the Ndebeles. This bitterness should end.
Its easy to say this especially when you didn't loose any family member in the genocide. If you understood, you would have the same vengence that SOME of us have.
@@isaymymind1727 i understand your anger but wht u gonna do to feel relieved? Kill the Shonas? The funny this tht th actual pple who are responsible are still here but you dont dare to confront them. Now they are dying of natural deaths while u watch. Thinking tht you kill the Shonas to my opinion is being over ambitious. Tht day may never that means if dont forgive you are likely gonna die grived.Forgiveness is for your own inner peace.
Where are the die hard shona zanu supporters ? Are you still pretending to be in love with the zanu cabal to death or you're ready to repent? Now you see what has been hard for you to accept and acknowledge all these years that putting zanu in power was the worst mistake of your lives? How do you feel now it has finally dawned zanu has been using you from the start to date for their own personal gain?when others were crying you thought you were safe look look now...your zanu ancestors are showing you flames and its your turn to cry... You zanu supporters its time to fix your mess you put in power and help yourselves
Show me one interview which this journalist has done to show unity or how average Ndebeles and Shonas have no hatrage towards each other. Go to Harare and see two ndebele people talking their language with no one harassing them. Video after video not promoting unity yet we can see the intermarriages going on and many other forms of unity. This is how people remain below average due to lack of professionalism.
mmmmm yeah the more we conceive this issue under the carpet the more it hurts as info continues to filter in informally it continues to open scared wounds and doesn't help National Unity in anyway
The Zambezia plateau has been subject to so much blood-shed and atrocities. Mzilikazi's Nguni systematically sought to annihilate the Rozvi of Great Zimbabwe as well as the Shona and other ethnic groups during the time of Mfecane. The Matabele impis showed no mercy under Mzilikazi or Lobengula. They routinely 'washed their iklwas' in blood. Eventually, after the Rhodesian Bush War, the 'boot was firmly in place on the other foot', and the Matabele felt the full wrath of Mugabe's 'Mfecane'. Africa is as ruthless a Continent as Europe. War makes monsters of mankind.
It's true the ndebeles will never talk about entumbane where Zipra forces massacred the (shonas) Zanla forces. They have natural hatred for the shonas. At one time I supported Highlanders football club which by then was comprised of the ndebeles and it's support base ndebele as well. I was warned not to support Highlanders because I'm a shona.
@@franciscamangwende9332 the fact that you thank someone for killing someone and saying they view themselves as holier than thou makes you yourself think you are holier which is being a hypocrite
This Guy is evasive with the truth. He is not Sure of the Really 5th Brigade. I was there.during the 5th brigade era. Those guys Most of them could not speak English,Ndebele or Shona. Those guys were not coming from Zimbabwe. Period.
They died in war. The important word WAR. If you were speaking about the people massacred in Chimoio by Morrison Nyati then I'd understand. The fact of the matter much like what the Selous Scouts did, they killed and massacred innocent, unarmed individuals just because they came from an opposition hotspot. It happened, as Zimbabweans we need to accept it happened so we can fix it and move on. It's important and deserves attention. Imagine if it had happened kumusha kwako. Waizobvunza here kuti what about mauto vakafira muhondo usingazivi kana kuhwisisa kuti chiyi chaitika nehama dzako. When relatives have gone missing, when their bodies were not even returned for proper burial. That's an abomination to our culture and I'm sure you know it.
The 5th brigade killed civilians, that was a crime committed - no doubt about that- no question about that. My question is, What would have happened if the dissidents were not clamped down. What do Ndebele people now think about the killing of Shona people by Ndebeles when Ndebeles arrived in present-day Zimbabwe - understand that when Ndebeles killed the Shona people, the Shona were not dissidents.
Those involved must apologise.... we have adopted a bitter & divided nation. Not dealing with such an issue is dangerous to the government. Who will hear us ? we need justice.
Kwanele Mswelanto Musatanyoko He meant you should move on from our country! You not only dumb Ndebele Rats, You are ignorant about it too !!! The irony 😇😭😭😭matuzvi zvawo thu thu ndakusvipai
+gamelihle mpofu don't pay attention to him. He's clearly a divisive character, I don't know if he's trying to serve ulterior motives or what but in essence he's gone through a lot of comments to go out of his way and insult any Ndebeles he sees, call people rats and say it's good that this happened and they should go to SA. It's sad our people have been allowed to get to this state, I think as a people we need to find new interesting ways to combat tribalism (as the government clearly has no intent to) so as to make it less likely for people with this mentality to come out like this. It's an incredibly sad display.
You lie you never be 5th brigade your age those people all were killed in Mozambique war after killing Amandebele cauz Shona's was very weeky to fight with other solders Matebeleland they just killing people staying in their Homes without guns
This is pathetic, whatever narrative is being pushed here, sad, very sad. Gukurahundi was bad and very sad but this, its a shame Zenzele. Zimbabwe deserves better. lets focus our energies on better things. lets seek the path of love guys.
im keen to know how many have you killed during your time, Mr, and did you killed shona or Ndebeles ?. what i know is you cant be trained only to sit back, relax and enjoy,
He probably meant North Korean Martial Arts. Zimbabweans often use specific nouns when trying to describe generic groups, so for instance, Coca Cola does not always mean actual Coca-Cola. It is often used interchangeably to mean ‘soft drinks’ etc.
@@andrehlako558 l can shut up but the fact remains the same. Brother there is no a fifth brigade OG who is of that man 's age that's number one. number two fifth brigade didn't have a batallion, it was jus fifth brigade in gweru at Geanfowl that's where I was born. before it moved to kwekwe battlefields. One thing you actually don't know is fifth brigade was then dismantled by mugabe 1989 when he then form batallions which were 5,1 and 5,2and 5,3 that's all he mixed up the fifth brigade because they were plotting a coup'e design tat against mugabe in 1989. Brother l can tell you the story without favour because I also can't be happy with what took place in that dark time.
But the fact is that guy there is a stinking lier, he worked for fifth brigade batallions not the O.G .we know each other and we have a Facebook page those who were from gweru 5 brigade.
ah ah aah! bloody shona swine! you actually admitting to knowing each other and having a facebook page? what kind of blasphemy? you will surely burn in the pits of hell!
@@dalejenkins1558 you fuckin fool because you even don't know what happened during the time. all you know is speculation. you have to get views on both ndebeles and shonas then you figure out based on your findings. In fact you are a sick puppy, you think you can intimidate me. you have to look in your mirror. not only you are a moron you are a coward,
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I really appreciate this interview! I've been learning a lot about Zimbabwean history, mainly from fiction books by NoViolet Bulawayo and Novuyo Rosa Tschuma (especially the latter) who wrote about the genocide, and I'm glad to have found your interview! Some of your interviews are in Ndebele and I haven't been able to see the translation, so I particularly appreciate the interview in English. Thank you so much for your work!
Emotions were there, it was bad...but, what should you do? Baba Ndlovu you made me cry by your narrative
Thank you very much Zenzele for the interview.
Many thanks to Mr Ndhlovu for a well articulated explanation. Archives.
That's were propaganda of divide and rule started.
Thank you for the good and informative interviewing.This will one step at a time sooner or later bring the truth on the table and eventually bringing peace at last to all the people of 🇿🇼 irregardless of which tribe you come from. My biggest dream is to one day see a unified 🇿🇼 from all corners of the country .
The word is regardless not irregardless.
a story so emotional to hear in this moment of time .
Sad sad sad,though a lot more questions still remain to be asked & answered.
those people calling distant yibona abakhulula ilizwe
What can we do to bring peace and unite amongst ourselves Shona/Ndebele as Zimbabweans.
Who says Zimbabweans do not have peace and unity, or mayb u are a foreignor.Zimbabweans live in harmony infact our tribes are intertwined anyone is free to work, live, visit any place in Zim despite tribal class.Our political parties do embrace different supporters from choice all tribes whether Zanu pf, MDCs, CCC etc Actually Zim is tranquil comparable to some of our neighbours such as Mzansi where we are lives are been violated due to xenophobic attitudes.True Gukurahundi was contained successful thus coming to an end and indeed was a moment of madness.
True
It's posible peace can be achieved if those who were involved can open up and ask for 4givness. But with the types of leaders present l doubt
@@rasobiyahman golo lika Nyoko
As a white Policeman I had Mr Nkomos house in Pelindaba under my Security watch. We were always respectful towards each other and was in fact friends with some of his Family and top men. We witnessed the rage between Zanu and Zapu during the Entumbane time and realised then that had Zipra (Or ZAPU) and Smiths Government joined forces we would have had a different Zimbabwe today. A pity Mr Nkoma chose to support Mugabe as it was only a question if time before old tribal hatreds would emerge and the shona would use their power to take down the Ndebele and any opposition. Mugabes election was won only on a numbers game, thats all, 80% Shona and 20% Ndebele. Doesnt take a genius to have seen that from the begining. A united Government under Nkomo, Muzorewa and Smith would and could have build a Fantastic country for us all. RIP Mr Nkomo, just a pity you couldnt see the Trees for the forest at the time. Zanla forces were absoluitly no match at all against the Rhodesian army (80% Blacks) and the Zipra forces.
Muzorewa was not even a politician. He was put by ZAPU for PR reasons then grew a bug head after being conned by the fascist regime
Why would Nkomo join the Rhodesian army and Smith when what he was fighting for was Black independence? Smith was essentially fighting AGAINT black majority rule. Why would joining him make any sense for Nkomo?
@@gotwerazhou1581 so it's true Nkomo was playing games and was on smith side
Why would Nkomo join forces with you. Remember you were the big enemy
@@petermangoyani1196no u did hear what he said Nkomo wanted order mugabe disorder
The Shona and Ndebele relationship is a little like that of the English and the French. Both tribes have had so many wars, they are never really sure of the others loyalty. Both tribes will stick together against a common enemy but quickly quarrel when no one else is involved. The Gukurahundi was a bad bit of history that was probably inevitable. I still think it would have been better to split Zimbabwe in two. Matableleland will always struggle in a system where they are ruled by people that do not love them. It would be the same if England was ruled by the French. The French would never want England to flourish and vice versa. The Shona would hate Bulawayo to become the capital and be ruled by the Ndebele but are happy for the status quo of ruling over the Ndebele.
Very well said Mr Thomas. Couldn't have said it better myself
All of africas borders should be redrawn according to the ethnic and tribal lines, not what was convenient to the European colonizers
Would've saved a lot of lives
@@drkinferno72 it can still be done but central governments often dont like the idea of their areas that they control getting smaller.
If tribes and cultures want control of their own destiny they often have to fight for it. Look at the map of Europe and it has changed constantly in history as the power of each tribe has waxed and waned.
@@drkinferno72Borders are changing all the time, look at the Austrian/ Hungarian Empire, entity 1 nation a100 years ago. 15 nations now.(that's a guess, so no smart arse comments, I could go on wikapeedia and check, but I've got a life.).
Its a mixture of natural selection and good choices of what is good for the common good of my people.
Balanced with working with others groups for the common benefit of both, we can all take it back to the stone age but why...
The sad part is due to their hatred for the matabele they killed the economy because you can never resuscitate Zimbabwe before focusing on that place
I know him, he was once based at 52 infantry battalion during those days with the likes of captain Masuku who later deserted the army and went to South Africa.
All the ex zipras were put under the 'pooling system' just to wood wink the media and some of the Western countries except Thatcher (Britain) who was the main architect of the idea to
1. Decimate zapu & zipra to give zanu total control so as to protect British interest in Zimbabwe
2. Kill off the ANC & Umkhonto wesizwe strategy of using Zimbabwe as their strategic springboard to launch their attacks on apartheid South Africa.
3. Completely remove USSR influence in Southern Africa.
4. Severely punish Nkomo, zapu, zipra and followers for the downing of the two Rhodesian civilian airplanes during the heat of the war and Nkomo's subsequent refusal to apologize.
I lived within the 5th brigade as a civilian from 1985 to 1993.
i like the openess of zipra cadres,i wish to meet that cadres
Thanks Zenzele, as much as this issue deserves to be discussed, anger and resentment can’t leave me, now that all those perpetrators are still ruling without any regrets.
This has been the missing link for Ndebeles, space and opportunity to share their experiences and aspirations as a whole without being muzzled by zanu shonas, many Ndebeles do not know their history coz zanu has been blocking the rich Ndebele war history at school and fear and threats of reprisals if they grouped together to determine a better future as an oppressed and abused people,
'ayhlom'hlasele '
You are tribalistic, which defeats what you are saying.Loads of Ndebeles and Shonas live well together.You are lost.Zimbabwe is miles ahead of this tomfoolery!
@@fortula.tichwagoramuog8784 did i say they don't live together? Zanu leaders are the tribalists who killed innocent unarmed civilians coz they were Ndebeles and thought to be a threat to zanu shona party, Matabeleland has been marginalised and persecuted starting with their Zapu Ndebele leaders put in jail under trumped up charges by shona leaders at which even when the courts acquitted them zanu shona leaders refused to abide by the lawful court judgement and kept the Ndebele leaders in jail torturing and persecuting them ensuring many died in jail for no reason and as a piss on the constitution and democratic process, that is what tribalism is if you were pretending not to know,
Ndebeles are Victims of tribalism
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Even when in jail under that persecution shona zanu leaders visited Dabengwa trying to force him and his colleagues in jail to join zanu that's what tribalism is, the zanu genocide against Ndebeles is what tribalism is, even at Dabengwa's death zanu leaders still alive and leading the country still refuse to apologise and allow victims of their attacks on Ndebeles and blocking peace process for closure so people move forward from where zanu left them, all the commission reports absolving Ndebeles and laying the blame on Shonas for killings executed by shona govt leaders they keep blocking them.from being published to date why? Coz they are hiding evidence of their tribalism and hate for Ndebeles at a time Ndebeles had fought for Zimbabwe independence and should have been enjoying with their Shona counterparts zanu descended on them trying to exterminate them coz they were Ndebeles and they hated them whilst no Shonas were killed but only Ndebeles in Matabeleland were under attack, that is what tribalism is, mugabe called the Ndebele killings under his leadership "a moment of madness ",that is what tribalism is
@@fortula.tichwagoramuog8784 are you aware since the 80's orphans and widows left by the fifth brigade in that horrific shona mayhem were never attended to to date? Some have no.IDs or way of moving forward coz govt has been dragging its feet 3 decades later whilst those people are continued to suffer, you know how some of those without birth certificates and IDs are a result of the soldiers rape of Ndebeles women and young girls, what's your proposals in assistance so those people can finally be assisted? Instead of your defence of a genocide and such horrific treatment of Ndebeles just coz of their language that's different from the shona one, that's what tribalism is
If it good army shy was it disbanded
What a cool gentleman, calm nd knows his position
Our history is so painful madoda. Anyway God will heal us.
The interviewer is intelligent. Good questions
Its funny that we think we can solve racism before tribalism.
Tribalism will be sloved if Ndebeles rise up and revenge... Bopha ijambo sikhabe iShona. This is coming soon.
That thing of killing us" one day kuzonyiwa izinja lezi
@Shingirai it is very funny indeed, a black person hates another black person to the point of genocide then turn around and mourn about racism 🤔 I think black people should learn to love each other first before demanding to be loved by whites.
I Say My Mind
The Shona have made their revenge already after the Mzilikazi and lobengula brutality on mashonaland
Forktailed Drongo
What’s funny about Blackman hatred ???? Only if you understand the black politics.
Many Shonas thought Gukuraundi was just a myth and were in denial that their hero Mugabe was a monster until when he turned his axe and started culling them like disease infested rats from year 2000 they started squealing and mourning .(..aah! vakomana ka Mugabe haite anouraya).
Bloody Mgabe hated Every tribe here he wanted to turn our country into Malawi
good journalism. sad it was short. love that you conducted it in English as well, which is very accomodating compared to what us shonas would have done.
#very interesting...we need part 2....likes for part 2
North Korea, one of the poorest nations, has an almost unparraleled history of brutality to its own people. It is not possible to learn how to make a better country from North Koreans.
So true!
Firstly, the US launched the Korean War which killed at least 20 per cent of the population with 3 cities being completely destroyed. If the Koreans became paranoid, there is a reason. There is no indication in this interview that the cruelty used by the 5th Brigade was taught by the Koreans. In fact there is every indication that Gukurahundi began after Mnangagwa ha made an agreement with the apartheid government and General Sir Edward Jones became commander of the British forces in Zimbabwe. The Koreans trained but did not deploy the 5th Brigade.. Perrance Shiri was rewarded with a scholarship to the Royal College of Defence Studies by te British.
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@@listerncube4558 what's that?
@@erisherm.8451 What you mean
On December 31 1982 a Rancher and his family just off the Vic Falls road were shot to death at 9am. They were fetching the maze meal from the main Falls road to take back to the homestead. Six were shot to death two of them were children aged 4 and 2 years old.
Can anyone furnish pictures, reports, statements on this Fifth Brigade ambush?
The British consulate was notified no action taken.
The British were complicit it was all about protecting their interests in Zimbabwe and South Africa.
@@gakhumalo55 nonsense , the 5 th brigade were seperate from the zim army , trained by North Korea as a force loyal to zanu rather than to zim as a whole . Nothing to do with the British
@@patrickkelly9110 I agree with all that you say but do remember Perence Shiri came straight from training in the UK to head the 5th Brigade!
It was more geopolitical then anything every Soviet backed independence movement was opposed by the West! Last thing they wanted was for South Africa to fall under Soviet influence! Renamo, MPLA, ZAPU, SWAPO were all Soviet backed except Zanu! So they rigged the elections for Mugabe on the understanding he neutered Zapu!
A truth commission would do wonders. It would bring some kind of closure or dig up more anger. The anger would be because these so called leaders refuse to own up to all the terrible things they commanded. One day the truth shall be spoken.
journalism par excellence!
Its a sad story.. ZANU has a history of killing vanorarama neropa revanhu.. I'm just sorry for what happened to people from Matabeleland and Midlands.. Zimbabwe we must unite and remove this creature called zanu
Very good interview.
Great job Ndebele. We need more of this.
Thabo Siziba Mhata yako iwe tokupisai
HRB To dis DAAAY 5th Brigade alert. Huyai tipise munhu. Ndawana 5th brigade.
@@hrbtodisdaaay9221 mhata ndiwe ngochani
God can heal the wounds caused as they are morely spiritual rather than physical. ...Inasmuch as you may try all these other physical methods, nothing will have lasting effect except God be involved for He is the only one who can truly heal the spiritual wounds of the masses.....
Its very sad indeed some1 should be held accountable soon.i understand why mugabe didint release Chihambabwe report.Its good we have this on public domain.I'm so touched😰💔
Where is 5th brigade now it is still existing or disolved?
very good interview brother.
Indaba yeGuguraundi yayivele ingemelanga izwe ngoba uba yayimele izwe kwakumele ibelegama elimele isizwe ..with both tribes involved ,,lendaba idinga ukuthi lamasotsha ayekwenza abe involved .le idinga iRadio station kumbe uhlelo kuTV ,ngoba ngilemibuzo eminengi kakhulu
There is always the other side of every story. It's like the Rhodesian bush war. Your always hear from the ex Rhodes soldiers. You don't hear from the civilians black or white what their experiences were.It would shed more light if you could also interview Shona and ndebele civilians who were caught up in that madness and hear their stories not just one ex military .This guys are trained to kill .I don't trust them.
They are the ones who will fight and die for you when we are at war. The army is an important institution in any nation.
Fuseki shona
i really appreciate the subjective interview, fair honest
Please list all the names of people who were in that 5th brigade so that we can visit them for a friendly chat.
yep! just to have a chat you know ...
Al al- Kitāb
I’m here when you fancy a chat , let me know where we can meet up
@@benedictlubi7620 how many Ndebeles did you kill. Please tell us before you die
Revenge is mine says the Lord
@@benedictlubi7620 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides
By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men
Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will
Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness
For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children
And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger
Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers
And you will know my name is the Lord
When I lay my vengeance upon thee
I think this man was a prisoner of the 5th brigade! It must have been an ordeal for him and other Ndebeles that were unfortunate enough to find themselves in this predicament! I praise his bravery for doing this interview.
i doubt that ndlovu guy. the fifth brigade was drawn from the shonas. how come he claims to be an ex 5th brigade????? all zipra guys were removed from the 5th brigade
say that again whats funny is his ndebele how do we trust what ever he is saying thats poor evaluation and the discussion is then null and void
Do you have ears to hear young man, watch the video again.
@@takudzwamukanyima1006 yep he's Matabele, I have no doubt. We all criticize and call him names, but in a 1 party state what are your options, yep going to spell them out.
1 .. self preservation, do what the orders say. The Nazi approach to orders ..
2 Join the dissidents, 1 mans dissident is another mans freedom fighter,..
As Whiston Churchill said the victors write history, that's the difference
between the dissident and freedom fighter.
3 The Odds 3 to 1 isn't that bad, 10 to 1 not good
he has said what he witnessed, yep he may not be able to face up to what he witnessed or his deeds? As a young man our views are different, as we get old, being a live gets less important,.
Every group of that 5th Bridget was having three Zipra Ndebeles , I'm from Kezi near that Bhalagwe , where a lot of people where killed and this is not Shonas who did this it's Zanu pf like Nkala
Only those who can speak shona
Officer, the truth is you were part and parcel of the brigade that committed massive killings in Matabeleland. You cannot exonerate yourself from what happened. You seem to have details of what happened, but surprisingly you tell us you were not at the front. You want to give the impression that you did not kill anyone. My honest response is that I do not believe you. You are telling us the whole truth.Why didn't you resign. If they could not allow you, surely you could abscond. I have had of many cases of soldiers who have done that. surprisingly you did not.I have also heard of cases where soldiers are deployed or transferred from one brigade to another. My sixth sense tells me that if they wanted to remove Ndebele soldiers from the brigade, they could have transferred them to other brigades where they would not be a threat.Right now you are a mature person who regrets what happened. Come out openly and tell us what you did and people will forgive you.
Did u listen to the whole
Well said Tenda
You can not pe trained, payed and just left at the camp to eat for free, he killed too.
Listen to this whole interview before assuming that he was also involved.
Did you get the part where he says those who resisted were killed silabo osibare who killed our people thula if you have nothing to say
Zenzele great man
Thank you! See that's real stuff. No fake News here.
They say it was a moment of madness kureva kuti tinotongwa nevanhu vanombopota vachiruza njere
Racial discrimination,tribalism, political violence -thats the world....it's in you to decide where you stand
then how many did he himself kill during the moment of madness , which was so organised , planned and deployed only to get rid of those whom gushungo considered a threat to his rule , and so 20,00 perished brutally in the parts or zones that they operated.
Who killed Jason Ziyapapa Moyo. Politicians are the same.
I do not have much information on how Ndebeles were killed in the rural areas, but i am worried that Ndebele people avoid touching on the Endumbane uprisings where ex Zipra soldiers were killing Shonas in Bulawayo. I have my own uncle shot down because he was Shona. They had this saying in Ndebele (excuse my spellings i can't write in Ndebele), 'Amasvina lawa babe inyama yemikhonto yabo baba bethu - which meant that these Shonas were meat for our fathers' spears'. This was one of the causes for the fall out. You guys you are biased in your narrations, we want people who tell the truth.
My condolences. I think as Zimbabweans we need to work together to solve this problem of tribalism. To address all these massacres and to work on nation building and building the Zimbabwean identity. To fix the way we teach history and stop marginalising each other. If we aren't to address any of these problems we'll never have national unity or stability.
I agree with you, we need to bring all facts on the table and bury this toxic past. We need to admit, agree, forgive and move forward.
According to Dr Joshua Nkomo, it was not a tribal issue. He categorically dismisses this idea calls it a mistake to think or say so. Watch his interview on this link th-cam.com/video/fplUJxMLgcU/w-d-xo.html . I am not saying it was or not wasn't.
Thank you for sharing this Sir. Both sides have things they need to say to each other before we can all move forward
thank you bro, the ndebeles are tribalist even to this day. they were brainwashed to believe that it was actually a tribal issue. NO.
What happened to Captain Edwin Nieya. Who killed him wat was his crim
Zanu has ever been like that these professional killers very cruel are never satisfied with the blood they spilled
What a mess , how can we fix this
Sometimes an eye for an eye will level the ground
Ndlovu good to see you tell the truth my brother, where is Lebanon Ndlovu
God will forgive you Mr Ndlovu for telling the world what happened. Thank you
I have heard about the brutality of selous scouts and their operations in matabeleland. Why is it that we seem to have removed them from the equation. I believe they have answers to most of our questions
So you are OK with your own fellow Zimbabweans killing other Zimbabweans, your logic is skewed
We are proud of you Zenzele. Keep up your good work. I'm sure you are looking at combining all your documentaries and write the History that will be taught in schools about the people if Zim.
@@carringtonndhlovu6145nobody is okay with anybody killing a fellow man but the problem is u put hate on other civilians whilst all these years you had Perence Shiri in your presence and never questioned him who led that brigade,u have munangagwa as well but your anger is on some shona kids who wer not even present by that time who are trying their level best to vote all these people out
Shona people never liked Ndebele people
most of the evil hateful people think shonas did it
we busy minding our important things we don't give a fuck about ndebeles or what they busy being bitter about
Not everyone
Ndebeles also never liked shona people
Please don’t say Shona people. Mention names if you can. I’m Shona and I love my fellow countrymen. It’s sickening anyone who killed someone just for power.
No it was not tribal, It was political My brother was a Shona and Killed by CIO in Chiredzi
You are merely trying to water down your evil deeds as one of the perpetrators. We the affected people know very well that it was tribal.
Frank Dube It wasn’t tribal u Ndebele Rat !!! Why don’t you just leave our country hatikufarirei muri mboko, vakadzi venyu vanoda kuiswa nesu zvakanyanya !!! Shona is superiority respect the RACE - TERM - LANGUAGE!!!! Otherwise you know where the door is 🚪GO 💨 TSEK MATUZVI EVANHU munongo popota!!!
@@hrbtodisdaaay9221 Stop throwing insults around and engage in a mature and intellectual manner. You are just imotional and contributing nothing to this debate
+Frank Dube he has been going throughout the comment section posting similar, clearly tribalistic comments like this. I don't know of he's serving another agenda or what, but it might be better to ignore and continue as if he didn't comment.
CIO and fifth brigade are very different. CIO are pretty much the states assassins whilst fifth brigade was on a much larger scale. It may be true that there were Shonas killed by fifth brigade but that was probably through association (live in matebeleland = Ndebele or ZAPU supporter) since afterall, they did operate mostly in rural areas. Tribal cleansing has no place in this country and the stuff which happened is against our culture. People are not killed unless in war. This was a huge affront to who we are as a people and I'm honestly disgusted. We must work to bring peace, to build unity and allow the dead to rest in peace. HAZVIITE!!!
Kubuhlungu lokhu, kuvusa amanxeba angapholiyo. Okwenzakala ngesikhathi saboMzilikazi naboLobhengula ngokwendulo, pho lokhu, in this modern era?
My question is how did it all start?who started who?
Thats the question which is always avoided
Mugabe wanted a one party state, so the well trained Nkomo's ZIPRA forces were a threat to his reign, so obviously all the Ndebele people supported him by ethnic default, so it was elimination and intimidation to suppress any uprising / coup deta by the ZIPRA & Ndebele forces then. Generally, before and after the war, the Shona and Ndebele naturally disliked and were cynical towards each other.
Are you serious right now, who started what killing unarmed people?
@@foxbat473 I think your account is more representative of what actually happened. Even Dabengwa agrees that there was this arms shipment through Tanzania, but in order to protect himself, he says it belonged to the ANC fighters whom they were helping - what else can he say when caught red handed. ANC never had a military base in Zimbabwe and any such base should have been authorised by the govt. So even if i was Mugabe at the time, there was every reason to suspect that Zapu was up to something. Dissidents would hide in the civilians but hit and run at night, that left no option for the 5th brigade, except to unfortunately torture the villagers. One guy who was in the operations told me that initially the 5th brigade went through many villages searching peacefully for dissidents and the answer they got was we never was any here. Later on gunfire was heard from the villages that they had searched and that is when the game plan changed, they realised that the dissidents were among the people, that is when they started going back and torturing people, and indeed there are cases where they were told where guys were hidden. Where torture is used it cant be good at all, its sad that honest women were at the receiving end if their husbands were suspected to be involved. The other worrying thing is that the number of deaths keeps growing. For many years this number based on CCJP report was estimated at 20 000, but recently the number has doubled to 40 000. This is because in recent years there has been a lot of talk about it with some throwing in the idea of compensating the affected families - and its no surprise the number suddenly short up to 40 000. But it may be necessary to actually identify all the mass graves and extrapolate these numbers. It doesn't make sense to just thump suck numbers as is now happening, Its not an easy task to bury a person, especially where people had to bury a number of people at once. what i see is reluctance from the Ndebeles of any wrong doing, they want us to believe that the army just went out killing Ndebeles, If that was the case, that army should just have lined on the boarder of Matland and move in killing people - but that is not the case, there were specisfic areas where the killings happened where the dissident activity was identified.
@@foxbat473 Just for the record, maybe you made a typo error there. currently the estimated population is 17m, Ndebeles make 20%, which is about 3.4million. But having said that, 20 000 is not an easy number to just bury, one would need excavators to bury such a number, in my view it is way overstated, but that is not to justify the events that took place.
😢😢😢😢😢this broke my heart
This broke my heart i mean it
Tribal at its highest point
How did it all start what part did JM play, did the fifth brigade just start shooting people
Amashona sold out the gains of the liberation struggle to the British..maswina othuvi.🤬
Africans should start to have a mind shift. The point I like to make here is, the people who run for office they should choose to unite their people, first starting a culture of Ubuntu in word and action. If Africans are to survive it's important to have one voice for the benefit of all Africans. There is enough evidence that solving problems along the tribal identity was,is and will be wrong. In order to survive Africans should solve their problems along the lines of Ubuntu. The patriarchal systems had failed the world, especially Africans.Africa is being exploited while they are busy fighting each other. This has to stop.
So who will bring to book Zapu youths backed by Zipra forces who mounted road blocks on Khami ,Luveve and Hyde Park roads where Shonas were flushed from vehicles through id checking beaten up and some killed in 1980?The door to door (house to house searches destroying property and killing Shonas in Pumula East/North/Magwegwe/Njube/Mpopoma/Luveve/Gwabalanda/Entumbane.I was in my teens and i witnessed those disturbances, thanks to Caroline Gumbo who informed my family about the impending searches hence i bent all Zanu regalia before the August 1980 start of violence.I personally know some Zapu men and women who led the onslaught ,a commission or truth and reconciliation commission would be welcome.Babethi amatshona wonke kacaphe utshangane!
all parties were complicit obviously but one tells a story from their own perspective
Lies, Blue lies
uyanya wena msunu
I don't think it was tribal but the army was fighting insurgents however, the way it contacted it's operation became political. Even shonas were killed during this madness period
Elton Munyama if you don't have anything better to say you better go back and eat your rats swina ndini. That brigade was formed to destroy the matebele people, we have more than 30000 of our innocent people killed in Matebeleland. Tell us how many swina people were killed by their terrorists 5th brigade?
dondolo mhlaba Musatanyoko mwana wehure!!! U have to respect us Shonas how dare u call us swina u 🐀 !!! You had it coming get over it or pack your smelly goods and off u go like Rhodician 🐷 (
@@hrbtodisdaaay9221 swina lothuvi
@@dondolomhlaba1242 30 000 impossible, do you know what 30 000 is, besides Matland is not yours its Guruuswa you go back to KZN
Tinashe Pikasso no one knows about this guruswe thing, its called Bulawayo the city of kings and you will never change it. To remind you zezuru that the land you claim to be yours is not and was never yours, I will go back to KZN and you go eat your rats back home in Rwanda or Burundi where you come from
What worries me the most is the natural hatred that the Ndebele have towards all Shonas up to date, even a ten year old shona is hated like he was also involved in Gukurahundi killings !!! given the chance they will massacre all the Shonaz
True but reconciliation is really needed in Zimbabwe because one day this hatred will escalate to Rwanda issue mark my words....
An offspring of a snake is a snake
@@nqobilenyoni4968 SO YOU SAYINGS CHILDREN ARE TO BE BLAMED ASWELL HA?
The bible in Nehemiah says, the sins of your grandfathers will put onto third,fourth generation. Until you repent. Shona people has a lot of blood in their hands. Repentance mean you turn from your old ways to new. In this case, a word to word need to be spoken to one to another, " a word of repentance" as well as taking back what you have stolen. Its a wound that can never cure literally, they should be an action. Our parents, grand parents were brutalised. And we cannot ignore the pain. A lot of orphans left with no where to go, no food. Only God saw us through and still see us through. I was not there but I really feel the pain our parents went through.
As if niwathanda Amandebele?🤔Vele we are still waiting for the opportunity to kill you all silly shonas, nizofa njengobunyonyo zinja ndini🖕🪓⚰️🙄🚮
Not objective because there is a lot of information concerning the mobilisation by Zapu to influence a rebellion in matebeleland.its a fact like he said they never imagined a country run by the Shona speaking people
Never said Shona pple he said Zanu... There is a difference... Did you even know that Zapu had a lot of Shona speaking cadres.. Probably not... ZANU broke away from Zapu by the way... Because some Shona speaking pple thot it was a good idea... Even within the Shona tribes they hate each other.. Hence why tongogara and them assassinated Chitepo and killed pple like Nhari and Mukono
Entumbane
HW MANY RATYS WERE KILLED IN ENTUMBANE
This tribal beef disgust me, is it ever gonna end? How is it ever gonna end? By Ndebeles killing the Shonas until they feel its even? When Gukurahundi victims are resurrected? If the ones responsible for the massacre apologizes, are u able to forgive them? Im Shona but im unable to kill a chicken without feeling pity for it. Im sorry to the Ndebeles. This bitterness should end.
Its easy to say this especially when you didn't loose any family member in the genocide. If you understood, you would have the same vengence that SOME of us have.
Go to hell
@@williamncube8908 i assure you tht u will go to hell wit your unforgiving heart.
@@isaymymind1727 i understand your anger but wht u gonna do to feel relieved? Kill the Shonas? The funny this tht th actual pple who are responsible are still here but you dont dare to confront them. Now they are dying of natural deaths while u watch. Thinking tht you kill the Shonas to my opinion is being over ambitious. Tht day may never that means if dont forgive you are likely gonna die grived.Forgiveness is for your own inner peace.
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Where are the die hard shona zanu supporters ? Are you still pretending to be in love with the zanu cabal to death or you're ready to repent? Now you see what has been hard for you to accept and acknowledge all these years that putting zanu in power was the worst mistake of your lives? How do you feel now it has finally dawned zanu has been using you from the start to date for their own personal gain?when others were crying you thought you were safe look look now...your zanu ancestors are showing you flames and its your turn to cry... You zanu supporters its time to fix your mess you put in power and help yourselves
Not every shona supports Zanu PF you have so many Ndebele people who supports Zanu Pf with everything in them not forgetting sengenzo thabangu
Show me one interview which this journalist has done to show unity or how average Ndebeles and Shonas have no hatrage towards each other. Go to Harare and see two ndebele people talking their language with no one harassing them. Video after video not promoting unity yet we can see the intermarriages going on and many other forms of unity. This is how people remain below average due to lack of professionalism.
mmmmm yeah the more we conceive this issue under the carpet the more it hurts as info continues to filter in informally it continues to open scared wounds and doesn't help National Unity in anyway
The Zambezia plateau has been subject to so much blood-shed and atrocities. Mzilikazi's Nguni systematically sought to annihilate the Rozvi of Great Zimbabwe as well as the Shona and other ethnic groups during the time of Mfecane. The Matabele impis showed no mercy under Mzilikazi or Lobengula. They routinely 'washed their iklwas' in blood. Eventually, after the Rhodesian Bush War, the 'boot was firmly in place on the other foot', and the Matabele felt the full wrath of Mugabe's 'Mfecane'. Africa is as ruthless a Continent as Europe. War makes monsters of mankind.
Very sad story
It's true the ndebeles will never talk about entumbane where Zipra forces massacred the (shonas) Zanla forces. They have natural hatred for the shonas. At one time I supported Highlanders football club which by then was comprised of the ndebeles and it's support base ndebele as well. I was warned not to support Highlanders because I'm a shona.
nxa nhai vada kuzviita ivo vatsvene varivo vakatitanga.thanx to mugabe these people were nuetralized otherwise dai tiri pama 1 nembwa idzi
Mop 07 n inhibitors u... 07
@@franciscamangwende9332 the fact that you thank someone for killing someone and saying they view themselves as holier than thou makes you yourself think you are holier which is being a hypocrite
@@franciscamangwende9332 mind you the same Mugabe killed the same Shona people in Midlands who were stauch Nkomo supporters
FUK U BITCH
This Guy is evasive with the truth. He is not Sure of the Really 5th Brigade. I was there.during the 5th brigade era. Those guys Most of them could not speak English,Ndebele or Shona. Those guys were not coming from Zimbabwe. Period.
What about millions of Shonas who died on the war of liberation who is paying them they died lot of then for this country Zimbabwe
And your point ??
Douglass yes seriously...i think you are trying to open up a can of worms my friend
They died in war. The important word WAR. If you were speaking about the people massacred in Chimoio by Morrison Nyati then I'd understand. The fact of the matter much like what the Selous Scouts did, they killed and massacred innocent, unarmed individuals just because they came from an opposition hotspot. It happened, as Zimbabweans we need to accept it happened so we can fix it and move on. It's important and deserves attention. Imagine if it had happened kumusha kwako. Waizobvunza here kuti what about mauto vakafira muhondo usingazivi kana kuhwisisa kuti chiyi chaitika nehama dzako. When relatives have gone missing, when their bodies were not even returned for proper burial. That's an abomination to our culture and I'm sure you know it.
Preach Brother 😇 Personally if I see a ndebele being annihilated il sprinkle spices 😇💨🛀
They weren't killed by it's Govenment man it seems you are happy about happened
The 5th brigade killed civilians, that was a crime committed - no doubt about that- no question about that. My question is, What would have happened if the dissidents were not clamped down. What do Ndebele people now think about the killing of Shona people by Ndebeles when Ndebeles arrived in present-day Zimbabwe - understand that when Ndebeles killed the Shona people, the Shona were not dissidents.
The British were involved in these heinous killings
Nonsense , North Korea and the zanu leadership were responsible
Okay
people should move on
Those involved must apologise.... we have adopted a bitter & divided nation. Not dealing with such an issue is dangerous to the government. Who will hear us ? we need justice.
Kwanele Mswelanto Musatanyoko He meant you should move on from our country! You not only dumb Ndebele Rats,
You are ignorant about it too !!! The irony 😇😭😭😭matuzvi zvawo thu thu ndakusvipai
you are a sad individual ..you need help
+gamelihle mpofu don't pay attention to him. He's clearly a divisive character, I don't know if he's trying to serve ulterior motives or what but in essence he's gone through a lot of comments to go out of his way and insult any Ndebeles he sees, call people rats and say it's good that this happened and they should go to SA. It's sad our people have been allowed to get to this state, I think as a people we need to find new interesting ways to combat tribalism (as the government clearly has no intent to) so as to make it less likely for people with this mentality to come out like this. It's an incredibly sad display.
You are right even those who were shot on the 1st August should move on.
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You lie you never be 5th brigade your age those people all were killed in Mozambique war after killing Amandebele cauz Shona's was very weeky to fight with other solders Matebeleland they just killing people staying in their Homes without guns
Wawunganani wena
shona always afraid of Ndebele people thus why they tried to wipe them out
so if shonas are afraid of ndebeles how come they whipped their asses like that lol u guys are like crying babies lol
This is pathetic, whatever narrative is being pushed here, sad, very sad. Gukurahundi was bad and very sad but this, its a shame Zenzele. Zimbabwe deserves better. lets focus our energies on better things. lets seek the path of love guys.
Tichachauke mvura yanaya
im keen to know how many have you killed during your time, Mr, and did you killed shona or Ndebeles ?. what i know is you cant be trained only to sit back, relax and enjoy,
What did he enjoy?
Isilonda sakhona asisoze saphola. Never.
Am i wrong or wat? Since when do koreans train karate?...was it not taekwondo.korea has taekwondo japan has karate...
Tae Kwon do is from South Korea. Who knows what they use in North Korea AND how a translator would name it in English.
He probably meant North Korean Martial Arts. Zimbabweans often use specific nouns when trying to describe generic groups, so for instance, Coca Cola does not always mean actual Coca-Cola. It is often used interchangeably to mean ‘soft drinks’ etc.
Amandebele abengasela zibhamu Amashona abesehlulwa etshayelwa kude Le uNkomo nguye owenza Mashona asidelele ngokuthi lzikhali phansi isiyi Unit kwahle kwabusa okungaSwina manje lezimbabwe yakhona ayila NGITSHO lemali yayo ayithengi lbond Shonas they are not talentent to Rule
He is a damn lier that man
.l grew up in five brigade, gweru. I don't know that man. Who is he.
Wiston Chimwango shut the he'll up
@@andrehlako558 l can shut up but the fact remains the same. Brother there is no a fifth brigade OG who is of that man 's age that's number one. number two fifth brigade didn't have a batallion, it was jus fifth brigade in gweru at Geanfowl that's where I was born. before it moved to kwekwe battlefields. One thing you actually don't know is fifth brigade was then dismantled by mugabe 1989 when he then form batallions which were 5,1 and 5,2and 5,3 that's all he mixed up the fifth brigade because they were plotting a coup'e design tat against mugabe in 1989. Brother l can tell you the story without favour because I also can't be happy with what took place in that dark time.
You did a great job !!! Can’t stand the rats matuzvi evanhu! Vakadzi vavo ndosvira kunge nyoka yapinda mumba chibharo chaicho
Are u saying u knew everyone who was on five brigade??? I think you are the one who z lying broe
Wiston Chimwango Tell me just one battalion commander of the 5th BDE and as far as I am concerned there was no 5BDE unit in Gweru.
Makange murikupi mapiwha mari
Kholema
Wozanazo b4
Zanu pf will never be good.
Sad
But the fact is that guy there is a stinking lier, he worked for fifth brigade batallions not the O.G .we know each other and we have a Facebook page those who were from gweru 5 brigade.
ah ah aah! bloody shona swine! you actually admitting to knowing each other and having a facebook page? what kind of blasphemy? you will surely burn in the pits of hell!
@@dalejenkins1558 shame on you.
@@dalejenkins1558 you fuckin fool, racist, why you bringing shona in this. Focus on me alone.
In her ass....
@@dalejenkins1558 you fuckin fool because you even don't know what happened during the time. all you know is speculation. you have to get views on both ndebeles and shonas then you figure out based on your findings. In fact you are a sick puppy, you think you can intimidate me. you have to look in your mirror. not only you are a moron you are a coward,
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