I'm sitting here in Jan 2025, with my 4.5" PDP purchased over a year ago, and it does NOT have this "feature". It functions every time I push it out of battery and release. I'm doing this literally right this minute, shaking my head. This video needs an update.
I had seen this issue highlighted a few months ago with the PDP. I have a PDP-F. It does NOT do this. I have tried it 100 times with various methods of pushing the slide out of battery. The trigger worked every single time. Maybe they redesigned something with the F model, but it works 100% of the time.
Interesting, I have a P99 QA, and it has the issue, so it seems to be a long standing thing with Walther pistols. The P99 AS has the issue too, but, since it is DA/SA, it just puts the gun back in double action, meaning it can still fire.
Walther fixed this. All of the new 4” and 4.5” guns have a different disconnector slot so this “feature” does not exist anymore. Walther listened and made a change.
@@TerminalM193i personally have 2 of the “old” style and i have no intention of upgrading. I rely on them with my life and can upgrade basically for free (because I work for Walther) but choose not to because I don’t believe this to be a problem, it’s a “feature” and I know about it and I choose to be good with it.
@notetaking9308 i have 3 also i have bo issue with this and if my agency allowed i would take it over my glock any day of the week if it really bothers you trade them in snd get a newer one made this year
I have the 2023 model compact pro sd as a everyday carry i ran this test in every different way and it still fired. Im happy walther is listening to consumer feedback and improving an already amazing system.
Walther has "addressed" it in their pdp that has serial number/letter starting with FDZ, FEA, FEB. Now they've addressed and not really addressed it be ause i have the older slide and the FEB slide... All they did was shorten the disconnector cut on the newer slide. Ao basically ot fepends on how far you pull the slide back/how deep its pushed into the subject before the trigger is pulled. On the newer slide, if you pull the slide half an inch, you'll be convinced its fixed but if you pull the slide 1/4 of an inch, and pull he teigger, youll see its not really fixed. On the older slide (FDA to FDY) you'll have to pull the slide about 3/4 of an inch for it to act like other guns where once the slide is back in battery, you can still fire. So it all depends on how far you pull the slide back. I can also say that running a lighter recoil spring will increase the chances of you having the dead trigger issue when pushed into a subject. This is why i wanna stick with walther stock recoil spring because its harder to have the slide pushed back so easily when presed against something and have the dead trigger issue.
I have a TLR- 1 HL on my G45 with the same premise as a stand off device. During practice or training I cover the lens and body of the light that extends past the frame with painters tape so it doesn’t get damaged from muzzle blast
I've just recently started watching your You-Tube channrel / contents in the past month or so. Thank you for the contributions you have been giving to the public. As a side note on this episode about PDP flaw, I own a PDP F serious and immediately tested for the malfuction as shown on your video. As information, FWIW - the malfunction / flaw is not affected on the F serious. Just wanting to throw it out there.
Simple remedy is to create a “standoff” attach a weapon light that goes pass the muzzle problem solved. Most agencies attach lights anyways. Non problem for me. If a feature is part of you carry you train on how to use the feature just my 2 cents
@@jessegpresley true but that’s not a remedy for someone that has already purchased this firearm and is not in a financial state to purchase another firearm. Easier to spend $100-$200 for a weapon light than say double that for another firearm.
@@mmafanatic-tz5orall I hear is excuses. It’ll be the same thing if you pull the trigger and get a light primer strike in the middle of a gun fight, right? You train to tap and rack. Same in this scenario no different. People will say and do anything to knock a product.
I was a DT instructor at my academy in NY. We taught that if you ever use your weapon as an impact weapon you need to do a “slap and rack” regardless if you are going to shoot or not.
My new PDP-F doesn't do this. Slide out of battery, pull the trigger and hold it, back off, let go of the trigger and the trigger resets as it should. Maybe Walther fixed this issue? Agree that a dead trigger in this scenario makes the pistol a no-go for LE. Hope they fixed it in the duty models, this thing is an awesome alternative to a Block.
Mine shoots out of battery. Go figure. I guess its not supposed to? But out of battery, the pdp barrel and slide are fully intact and seem operational. I pull the trigger and hear a click
Came across this video and just wanted to give some personal experience. Own several Glocks and had acquired two PDP's (4" & 4.45"). As mentioned in your video, when using the full size framed PDP with the Standard trigger, and the slide is pressed to the rear far enough (15mm or 9/16"), you'll hear an audible click and the trigger disconnects, allow the slide to go back into battery, you have a dead trigger as you conveyed. Have to rack slide to get a live trigger again. This is replicated with both a 4" and 4.5" PDP full size. However, and this is my personal experience (other's mileage may vary), when I installed the Walther Dynamic Performance Trigger into the 4.5" the dead trigger issue does not occur with this trigger kit installed. Don't know if it's tolerance stacking or the changes in geometry with the trigger bar and sear assembly with the Dynamic Performance trigger. Granted my sample size is only 2 PDP's, but with oem PDP trigger - dead trigger occurs, Dynamic trigger installed - it does not occur.
Thanks, I was looking for a workable replacement. The trigger thing has me cross about this pistol but since its one in hand better find something for it that negates this issue.
I have a new PDP Pro compact, and it does not have this flaw. If I push the slide out of battery, pull the trigger it will not fire(trigger is dead), but hold the trigger down, get the slide back in battery, let go of the trigger and pull it again, it fires.
There are 2 simple fixes to this if you have the old version of the PDP. 1) Install a threaded barrel. 2) Install a light or Lazer on the rail that extends past the slide.
The P10 remains one of the most underrated striker guns on the market. The only trouble is that the P10f is Shaq big and the P10c is g19ish, but they're reasonably inexpensive, reliable, rugged, optics ready is available, and I dig the factory flat trigger.
Yeah I would love on but I have smol baby hands. All CZs have been on a fire sale lately, I think they’re offloading them to make room for new designs. Hoping for a slimmer model soon.
Part 2/2. You have to know guns to understand this issue, the pdp is basically a single action, not a traditional striker fired gun. Glocks have a sear that moves backwards with the trigger until it hits a certain point and moves downwards out from under the striker, thereby pushing the striker backwards some. The PDP has a latch sear. When the slide is racked the striker sear catches on a small latch in the frame, the trigger unblocks the sear, and the spring pressure pulls hard enough on this latch sear that the striker pushes it down and fires. Where they are misleading is that it doesn't decock all of the time. This feature only happens when the slide is pushed out of battery until the barrel just tilts downward, before the slide can move away from the breach itself. Thereby the barrel and breach face or not actually out of battery. At this point the striker is almost at its resting point, but has enough tension that the trigger acts normally. If the slide is moved more than 1/8" then pulling the trigger will have no effect. If the trigger were held it wold be like holding the trigger down for a reset. This function allows for one to carry a live round with a dead trigger if they are not comfortable carrying a striker fired pistol. To re engage the sear, the slide must be pulled back approx. 1/8" or more, unlike a glock that would have to be fully racked. Also with the barrel tilted down and the slide pushed back, the striker shouldn't extended past the breach face, since it doesn't have the pressure; and the round will be moved so that the primer is not in a direct path with the striker. Someone else said this is a safety feature in the event the gunjams or doesn't go into battery, thereby disabling the gun until the operator confirms the gun is safe. Now this feature is a liability to an officer, or more accurately to someone defending themselves from an attacker. I say this as most officers that use deadly force, do so around the magical 7 yard mark, and most attacks upon them are surprise attacks. If a suspected perpetrator is within that distance then the officer has messed up somewhere, and has lost control of the situation. Also if an officer is being attacked they should be using a different weapon than their side arm, as being in a scuffle would likely lead to loose and negligent shots fired in all directions. Other considerations to be had is that most officers don't fire their weapons in the actual line of duty, it is not unheard of for an officer to never have to fire their side arm. As Chris said at 6:15, it is somewhat low occurring for officers to be involved in shootings. However as the PDP sits I would not use it in this profession as is. When there is an officer involved shooting, the officer must justify their actions. The reason for the heavy trigger in most pistols, other than ND, is so that whoever is firing it has time to think, and possibly have time to defuse the situation at hand (in a defensive situation). The problem here is that the trigger on PDP is too light to allow this time and consideration. It is the nicest stock trigger I have seen on the market, it is lighter than most other guns, and crisper than most of those that are lighter. For example it is lighter than factory glock and m&p, but it is crisper than the canik tp9 sfx which is a direct clone of a walther p99. I said earlier "or anyone defending themselves," this also includes everyday people. This gun has 3 barrel lengths and 2 frame sizes, 4", 4.5", 5", as well as full and compact frames. The full size is obviously made as a duty pistol, while the compact is concealed carry. If your everyday person must use this weapon in self defense, it follows the same rules as officers, they must justify their actions. The only difference is if the officer perceives a threat they may pull their side arm depending on policy, while some states say citizens may meet force with force, and others are duty to retreat. In a justifiable case, the firearm has been pulled and can be used accordingly. In this case the trigger wouldn't matter. In both cases, if in a scuffle on the ground, as some martial arts teach, if you are on your back you are in the most vulnerable position. If you can get your pistol good, however if in this position most likely you have already failed. Now as far as pressing the firearm into someone, that is complete hooey. Firstly you should never be that close, with a weapon drawn. Chicago defense training has become an absolute punching bag, but he had point once, if a gun can be grabbed and the slide held out of battery it is of no use or danger to anyone. Secondly officers, and some civilians carry with weapon lights. If striking someone, then it should be done with the finger off the trigger, and with the WML, not the muzzle. There have been videos made, and an entire philosophy around WMLs, and that is the reason the bezel extends past the muzzle. This is only a problem on the 5" pdp, as a tlr1/2 will sit flush with the muzzle, not extend past it. The 4" and 4.5" the light will extend past the muzzle. TL:DR this gun is a great gun, but earlier than 2023 would not be recommended for use as a duty pistol, shootings are rare, and you shouldn't be too close to an attacker. The design of the pistol allows the decocking of the striker, and is actually a safety feature.
You've got to ask yourself as an agency making a huge purchase: 1) Do I go with a tool that has been consistent, reliable, effective, over the course of nearly 40 years 2) Do I go with something new and fresh, but is redundant to everything on the market?
as someone who shoots the 40 year model and still likes it i would definitly pic a pdp especially now knowing that the issue that is talked about in this video has already been resovled by walther
@@boomee78how has it been resolved? I have the PDP 2.0 but it says 2022 on the frame and mine has this trigger issue where you have to rack the slide after pulling the gun out of battery.
@mmafanatic-tz5or 2023 have resolved your pistol is working fine mine both have the featuer thats how the pistol was made to function. But since people got freaked out walther listened and changed it on 2023 models. Stop freaking oit because one cop says they didnt recomend it i can tell you cops opinion differ on these subjects get over it 😤
@@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd Not sure if sarcasm, or nonsensical. The 92FS is large, heavy, and has an inconsistent trigger that is difficult to train. The Glock 17 (and now Glock 45) are the industry standard for size/weight and trigger discipline. The Beretta is expensive to repair and difficult to accessorize.
@@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd I suggest you not make assumptions. I carry a CZ75. I know my way around DA/SA guns. If I were a Chief of Police and I could go with something easier to train, purchase, and service, that's what I'd buy for my department. If DA/SA guns were better, there would be more on the hips of cops around the nation. There aren't. Your argument is moot.
I had a quick test (with dry guns obviously). Canik Rival-S (which is Walther clone) does not fire when pressed against arm, but when bringing the gun back it fires normally. My good old Walther P99 even fired when pressed very firmly against arm.
My pdp pro sd does this, and it does it without pressing it out after battery. I've had it not fire on live rounds during a string of fire. It will fire that same round after pulling the slide back just far enough to reset the striker. Not optimal 😬
@@notetaking9308old news because it’s been a feature since the p99. Weather did not announce the removal of this feature, Ben knows enough people at or connected to Walther that he should have reached out before posting old information. He’s not telling the whole story and he’s doing it for attention.
@@notetaking9308the longer slide travel to disconnect was a feature, not a problem. We changed it because training, technology and customer demands change. You are correct, I cannot post the serial number cutoffs, though I don’t work in supply chain.
@@notetaking9308 How many people actually had an issue with this? How many times has this came up? How many millions of other striker fired pistols do the same thing? Cherry picking a few examples that don't do it doesn't mean anything.
I took a class with bill Blowers last summer, walther guy of course, and he did announce that to the class when we were going over malfunctions. I think it’s a transparent thing they don’t hide, I bought mine for a training and competition gun I don’t carry one.
What do you think about the beavertail design on the PDP? I noticed with most other handguns the web of the hand can be jammed further up into the beavertail depending how aggressive your grip is, but not with the PDP. It only allows the web of the hand to only go so far and no further. Anyone else have an issue with this?
Depending on your holster, it's possible to nudge the slide out of battery while holstering the gun. Even if the gun returns to battery, you could potentially draw a dead gun???!!!
Besides the current change walther did to them, I personally think if you want something that just runs until you no longer run, get a da/sa. P99, 226, p09
I have been entirely unable to replicate this with my PDP, unless I push on it so far that the gun comes out of battery, in which case no striker fired gun will fire.
@@jenskrogh1936 Can Walther “removing the feature” actually be verified? Because I’ve got a PPQ and Q5 match that are essentially the same firing mechanism and neither of them do that either. Because if it’s conjecture and not a verifiable claim, this video seems like much to do over nothing. Maybe even a made up problem?
I ordered one of these in a steel frame, and handled the polymer frame version yesterday (3/13/24) - I tried repeating that flaw shown in the video, the one I handled didn't do that, it did what it was supposed to do. Maybe Walther saw the vids and made corrections since then or it's not a universal problem.
Part 1/2. I have read quite a few of the comments, and I think a lot of people are missing the point one way or another. For what Chris was saying, the pdp with this design is a liability to officers. That issue has been resolved, according to this comment section, as of 2023. I will post another technical comment, but this video is misleading, and I don't believe they understand the issue enough to know how it happens. Rewatching the video, at 5:15, it is clear Ben intended to mislead the audience, and clickbait us to watch. He directly said he had hoped Chris would agree to say this gun could/ would get you killed due to some factory defect. This is not the case, and there is nothing directly wrong with the pistol. The overlooked point is that this is a safety feature. What some people don't realize is that the pdp is pretty much single action. Some people aren't comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber, which is why there is Israeli carry. This function actually allows the decocking of the gun, so a round can be carried in the chamber without fear, or so that it can be stored without fully dry firing the gun. I know walther calls it the performance duty pistol, but you can tell they focused on performance not duty. TL:DR the video is misleading, the gun is fine, there is actually a reason for this function, and this is more of a performance gun than a duty gun.
Why would you want to carry a round in the chamber with the striker decocked when it's not double action? It might make sense with a hammer fired single action pistol since you can cock the hammer, but intending on pulling the slide back just enough to cock the striker but not eject the round sounds like a silly way to carry. The P99 QA - which can't be fired if decocked - has a decocker button, but it's only intended for disassembly to prevent dummies from shooting themselves if they disassemble it with a round in the chamber.
@@riflemanm16a2 I won't say that disassembly isn't the reason for this function, it might very well be. The reason I stated that people might carry chambered, but decocked, is for a few reasons. 1 this model of Walther has a really light trigger, it is considerably less than that of others, ie Glock. 2 I have friends and family that have been carried everything from revolvers to Glocks, and they would happily trust a 1911 condition 1, but carry revolvers with the first cylinder empty. That isn't to say they can't be trusted, I was just saying not everyone trusts them. 3 the amount of travel it takes to recock a pdp is the same amount to check that there is a round chambered. Also from what I have personally seen of violent encounters, it is best to get away/out of sight while pulling a gun, not try John wick mode.
@@Thevoiceofsomething I can see that. The P99 QA takes maybe one millimeter to cock, but it is half cocked like a Glock, so I wasn’t sure if it was the same for the PDP. I myself am a little hesitant to carry fully cocked striker pistols without manual safeties, preferring DA/SA, so I understand the hesitation. Personally, I’d forget to cock the striker if I carried like that, especially since the PDP lacks the red indicator on the back of the slide like the P99 and Canik pistols. Thanks for taking the time to explain.
@@riflemanm16a2 you're welcome, it is always good to learn something new. I have always loved the p99, but never got the opportunity to get one, so I don't know much about them, so I have learned new things. I will say the pdp is based around the same trigger group, but is an " evolution"... So basically it is the same, but different, if that makes any sense. Also they put an extractor chamber indicator on the pdp. So it kind of sucks. Also I understand your comment about forgetting, I'm sure you would know training is key. You carry how you feel comfortable. I always see people on the range, or Internet talking as if they have the best way to carry, no one does, they have the best way for them. For some it's appendix, others it is small of the back, others it's the drop leg inside the pants that you pull up through you waist band, etc. Being comfortable carrying is as important as concealing the fact you are carrying. When I do general outside work I have a Blackhawk omnivore tlr1, I can reach the trigger with my finger. But I don't carry loaded unless I'm hunting, or with a pdp or beretta, since I mostly have it for snakes. But may I suggest watch a video by Agilite. It's called IDF Pistol Technique in 5 Minutes. They explain why they carry they way they do, but in showing how they do it they show that it can be incredibly efficient.
I have two C2's, one iron sights and one with optic tall sights (which I now wish were the short regular sights) with a Holosun 507c Vulcan. I've not shot the C2 with the 507c in fear of causing an idiot scratch on the final slide-stop pin assembly step, which I did scratch my first C2 when assembling the first cleaning before firing...and each time I clean it, the scratch gets worse 🥺 Dang, the Staccato's are tight (which is why they are so accurate), so it's easy to to have the slide-stop pin dive down and scratch the frame when pressing in the pin!!! How do you get your slide-stop pin in without scratching the frame??????
I got a pdp thinking the same thing, I would carry it...found this tp be an issue and decided against it. Also I have seen 3 of them slide stops stop working after alot of rounds wo cleaning
Bought a PDP pro full size about 6 weeks ago, saw this video and felt sick for a moment. Got home and proceeded to test it and mine fires every time. Does anyone know if Walther addressed this problem or is something different with the pro ?
I’ve got an 11lb spring with a titanium guide rod and the dynamic trigger. Haven’t had this happen at all. I have a 5” compact. I’m wondering if they fixed it? 🤔 or I could just be lucky I guess. 😂
I bought a new Walther 1.0 when they first came out. I never had it misfire or have any jam, problems with factory 9mm ammunition. I honestly don't think a CQB type shooting or scuffle is realistic unless you work corrections, SRT or a SWAT type post.
That is so weird and something I would have never imagined even thinking about. I pulled out my Glock, my PDP and one of my Caniks. Glock worked fine because it's Glock. I figured since the Canik is kind of a license trigger or whatever from Walther maybe it would have that same issue and it didn't. Then I tried my other Canik, first being the TP9 SFx, second being the Mete, neither one did it. Getting progressively more annoyed, I grabbed one of my VP9s, zero issue. Then moved to my Hellcat RDP with the compensator (love it because it's the only micro I don't hate with a passion) and then the Sig P365XL. Neither had an issue. I quit pulling out pistols and doing this after that because I was getting more and more pissed and my wife thinking I'm more of a dipshit than she previously thought. Not a single one did it except the PDP. I'm annoyed because I shoot the PDP really well, nothing close to world class but getting better. Chances of me in what I do day to day running into that issue are so entirely small I shouldn't be annoyed but just knowing what this video illustrated is going to bother me every time I look at the Walther.
I used to carry a Walther PPQ M2 40 cal for per diem work and it was a very accurate and reliable pistol. I now carry an issued Gen 5 G19. Love the Glock for being simple and having way cheaper mags. The Gen 5 is also very accurate with the new barrels. There was one other guy I worked with that had a PPQ 9mm. We were odd balls that loved something that seemed more refined than a Glock for our own weapon selection.
I absolutely love the straightforward, no BS talk from Chris Palmer. I wish I would have seen this video before I bought mine. That being said, mine is the PDP F-Series 3.5 inch barrel, and it does not have this "feature"! The trigger does not go dead on this one like the one in this video. I bought mine about 1 month ago, so they may have fixed this?
The thing I always sperg out about is striker fired (or any single action) that drops the striker with a modest impact. Walther and HK definitely fall into this category. If you fell or got tackled with the gun on and it hits the ground, now it needs to be racked again before it fires.
I was trained to rack on a fall in LOCKUP/Soulis Shooting Systems, but it was more of an insurance policy. I've never seen a Glock have a dead trigger from a drop.
Any single action? I don't find your statement to be true for me, carried a 1911 on duty for years had lots of dynamic situations without experiencing a dead trigger, same with the 226, 220, and others. Can you point me to the source of this information?
Weird that my PDP Pro isn’t doing what you demonstrated. I copied your exact movements and mine will still fire. How many PDPs has this been tested on ?
Pro is the best PDP. Definitely understand departments sticking with Glocks just for ease of administrative redundancy and armorers not needing to update training.
As far as the difference, as compared to what? I'm genuinely asking, what are we comparing the pdp and ppq, pdp and pdp pro... As for the trigger group, that is the cause. It is also the striker, but don't think of the pdp as traditional striker pistol, but as a single action only. The reason it can do this is because when the slide is pushed back, and the trigger is pulled it allows the striker to override the sear. This is a safety feature as someone else said, to keep the gun from firing after a jam and make sure the operator has cleared the jam/gun properly.
@brettvanderpool9546 I am strictly speaking of the PDP pro because it the one I have. As I said in my first post, this problem is not an issue with my pdp pro.
You are correct, the only difference internally, is the trigger and barrel. I don't know if it is yours being a newer example, or if it is the enhanced trigger. I do know a quick search of the two triggers reveals a different design of the striker block disengagement nubs on the trigger bar, and Walther states the dynamic trigger is redesigned to be lighter... So it could have been part of this quiet redesign they did.
I stopped carrying my 2022 pdp model due to that exact issue. I contacted Walther, hoping they would fix this since its a factory issue, but they recommended that I buy a new updated slide from them for 300$ smh!! First walther and will be my last.
This was so insightful. I am only a range shooter only, so I wouldn't care much about it, but I do like to hear professionals talking about guns from a different angle.
So, I tested this out. The amount of force and angle you have to be at to make it happen is significant, meaning there is a "sweet spot" you have to hit. A little bit before it you can still pull the trigger, a little after the trigger will reset. From his perspective I get his reasoning, but for the average carrier this is kind of like the CQB fantasy most gun guys have, it will never happen if we are being realistic. I just posted because my knee jerk reaction was "ok here we go again, my chosen weapons now sucks." Don't run out and sell your PDP's over this one.
@kevinallies1014 I know what it is, I've watched the video and replicated it right here in my house with this very same gun. The scenario involves pressing the gun into another person during a scuffle, hence force on the front of the weapon in order to get it out of battery. The window, and angle, to make this happen is very small, which is my point, the odds of this happening for most is almost zero.
@@TheOtherVenkman Because I've watched their video, weighed it against what I know and deemed it not an issue. You know we are allowed to do that right? You can think for yourself. This is like the P320 non issue that nobody seems to have even though there a billion of them on the streets.
I just tried this with my PPQ M2. The striker breaks when it is out of battery (pressed against my arm) therefore when released from arm contact the trigger is dead and the slide has to be racked again to reset the trigger. I did not try it out of battery with a live round. I think that would be catastrophic.
I've been shooting the PPQs in competition since 2017, and the Walther Steel Frame since 2018. They ALL do this. Known issue. If you use the muzzle to strike open a port, it will move it out of battery and dead trigger will result. You have to rack the slide to get it back running. Other option is to hold your thumb on the back of the slide keeping it in battery during a muzzle strike.
I see comments that say Walther fixed this feature for newer guns, too bad they had it because now it's in the DNA of the pistol and people will harp on it forever. The guns that were made before the fix, if there really was a fix, will still exist so I guess it's a feature you have to be aware of either way.
1) I know it's a PITA but you should do the clearing thing. Watch the FBI guy and the school kids where he shoots himself in the leg. It's impossible to be too safe, ESPECIALLY if you are going to point the gun at yourself and pull the trigger. 2) This issue bothers me but not enough to not buy the gun. I am just buying it as a range toy. 3) If I was a police officer, no way I would use that gun, absolutely deadly flaw that could get you killed. Thanx for pointing this out in so much detail. They supposedly fixed it on the F, wonder if the PDP Pro does this?
@@andychanny well, once is too much. If you know that risk you aren't carrying it. That's what they diacussed in the video when drawing a comparison with cars.
@Kodreanu23 I watched the discussion. Since Chris said it's happening at his PD and across the nation, I'm asking if there are any rough numbers. People have indeed died after being tased...tasers aren't being dismissed from use in the police world. I'm just looking for some simple rough estimates.
PDP Pro SD models should be unaffected by this design "feature". I recently purchased the PDP Pro SD Compact 4.6" as my first handgun and I'm a happy owner so far. **UPDATE** I'm wrong. Since my gun and I are currently separated by 6000 miles, I incorrectly assumed the above. I have since seen where the threaded barrel suffers the same issue. I did purchase a HA comp recently so maybe that will mitigate the issue.
Don't hold your breath buddy. They responded to one of my videos explaining that the snappiness I complained about came from their step chambered barrel technology, which allows the gun to push out 9mm rounds at a higher velocity than its competitors. I'm still waiting on that lab test to prove it.
@@boomee78 Sore? You joking right? Oh and thanks for the suggestion. I didn't think I could switch to another platform until you brought that up. Silly me! Any recommendations?
Umm - I can’t seem to get my 5” PDP to do it . But I don’t use my PDP much anyway as occasionally my grip style, that I’m comfortable with on my TXG module Sig’s, will engage the mag release on the PDP- but that’s just a me thing . Nice to hear someone push back on the 2011 for carry trend - great guns but having to deal with a more complex manual of arms in a real high speed high stress scenario ( outside competition ) seems unnecessary when the high quality strikers are absolutely good enough for almost any application. Marketing + hype = better ? but in reality it’s just that folks love buying new guns that look cool . I pinned my grip safety on my competition 9mm 1911 just because I couldn’t be bothered with it slowing me down if I didn’t get it right.
@@TerminalM193not all 2.0s. apparently it looks like only ones manufactured with 2023 (this year) were fixed. Walther should've done a recall. If you bought the Walther when it came out, you were dealt with an inferior optic system that was smooth, Walther 'fixes it' by putting grooves and lugs. Now I'm hearing that they fixed the trigger reset issue.
I had no idea about this “ feature”. I think thats a good name for it. S&W had a feature in one of their models back when, were if you dropped/lost the mag, even with 1 in the chamber it would not fire. Their logic was to save an officers life if his gun was taken away. Features like this are made, in my opinion, from someone(s) who probably has not been in a close contact. Because its all about perspective. That one round may save your ass if you’re still aggressive. My perspective is based off a close contact incident using a P226. The gun worked. Had this feature been on the 226 in my incident I would not had the other hand free to cycle the slide ,because I was grabbing the future dead guy, nor the time and my team mate most likely would have taken some impacts.
Magazine disconnect. It was on the early M&Ps, and I do mean EARLY. I found out about it when I bought a police trade-in M&P in .40. It was a requirement for duty pistols for a long time in certain LE agencies.
S&W 5946 and 3953 have the magazine disconnect that does not allow firing with magazine removed or unseated. Still in use by the RCMP today. Terrible feature and a gun completely unsuitable for current policing needs. I know of one incident where it at least in part contributed to an officer’s death.
@@jenskrogh1936they didn't fix ish. Everyone keeps saying this but yet Walther never made an announcement. Heck how come many gun tubers don't mention this?
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I have the 4 in. PDP F Series and it does not have the “fatal flaw”. I’ve tested it probably 50 times now. Good to go.
I'm sitting here in Jan 2025, with my 4.5" PDP purchased over a year ago, and it does NOT have this "feature". It functions every time I push it out of battery and release. I'm doing this literally right this minute, shaking my head.
This video needs an update.
I had seen this issue highlighted a few months ago with the PDP. I have a PDP-F. It does NOT do this. I have tried it 100 times with various methods of pushing the slide out of battery. The trigger worked every single time. Maybe they redesigned something with the F model, but it works 100% of the time.
Interesting, I have a P99 QA, and it has the issue, so it seems to be a long standing thing with Walther pistols. The P99 AS has the issue too, but, since it is DA/SA, it just puts the gun back in double action, meaning it can still fire.
Because they fixed it. It use to be a design feature. It no longer is.
Same with my PDP SD Pro. Works just fine.
Walther fixed this. All of the new 4” and 4.5” guns have a different disconnector slot so this “feature” does not exist anymore. Walther listened and made a change.
Sucks for those of us that purchased pdp's during the first year of its release.
@@TerminalM193i personally have 2 of the “old” style and i have no intention of upgrading. I rely on them with my life and can upgrade basically for free (because I work for Walther) but choose not to because I don’t believe this to be a problem, it’s a “feature” and I know about it and I choose to be good with it.
@@jenskrogh1936this change was implemented at the beginning of 23?
@notetaking9308 i have 3 also i have bo issue with this and if my agency allowed i would take it over my glock any day of the week if it really bothers you trade them in snd get a newer one made this year
No it still does it on a 2022 pdp pro. That feature is still there.
I have the 2023 model compact pro sd as a everyday carry i ran this test in every different way and it still fired. Im happy walther is listening to consumer feedback and improving an already amazing system.
Thank you for confirming this. I was discouraged hearing this in the video and I was looking to get the pro. Im definitely still gonna get one now!
@@AaronDefensivewell he has the 2023 model so it makes sense
Walther has "addressed" it in their pdp that has serial number/letter starting with FDZ, FEA, FEB. Now they've addressed and not really addressed it be ause i have the older slide and the FEB slide... All they did was shorten the disconnector cut on the newer slide. Ao basically ot fepends on how far you pull the slide back/how deep its pushed into the subject before the trigger is pulled. On the newer slide, if you pull the slide half an inch, you'll be convinced its fixed but if you pull the slide 1/4 of an inch, and pull he teigger, youll see its not really fixed. On the older slide (FDA to FDY) you'll have to pull the slide about 3/4 of an inch for it to act like other guns where once the slide is back in battery, you can still fire. So it all depends on how far you pull the slide back. I can also say that running a lighter recoil spring will increase the chances of you having the dead trigger issue when pushed into a subject. This is why i wanna stick with walther stock recoil spring because its harder to have the slide pushed back so easily when presed against something and have the dead trigger issue.
My compact has no problem
Thanks. I feel better knowing mine isn't affected by this design flaw. @@mmafanatic-tz5or
Mine don’t do this. Interesting
Apparently Walther fixed this effective 2023
PDP F model I had reset normally. The full-size models needed the slide retracted 1/2 inch to reset the trigger.
And this is why an X300 is nice. You can jam it into a body and fire away. Caveat; if the light extends a tad past the pistol.
I have a TLR- 1 HL on my G45 with the same premise as a stand off device. During practice or training I cover the lens and body of the light that extends past the frame with painters tape so it doesn’t get damaged from muzzle blast
I've just recently started watching your You-Tube channrel / contents in the past month or so. Thank you for the contributions you have been giving to the public. As a side note on this episode about PDP flaw, I own a PDP F serious and immediately tested for the malfuction as shown on your video. As information, FWIW - the malfunction / flaw is not affected on the F serious. Just wanting to throw it out there.
Pennsylvania State Police recently switched to the PDP with the direct milled Acro
Good bcuz they fixed this issue with PDP Gen 2.
Simple remedy is to create a “standoff” attach a weapon light that goes pass the muzzle problem solved. Most agencies attach lights anyways. Non problem for me. If a feature is part of you carry you train on how to use the feature just my 2 cents
simple remedy is to just use a different gun.
@@jessegpresley true but that’s not a remedy for someone that has already purchased this firearm and is not in a financial state to purchase another firearm. Easier to spend $100-$200 for a weapon light than say double that for another firearm.
Not everyone wants to carry a much more expensive light sticking past the muzzle of the gun. Makes it superunco
@@jessegpresleyor get a 2023 pistol. I have a few other pdps i have no issue carrying it on duty
@@mmafanatic-tz5orall I hear is excuses. It’ll be the same thing if you pull the trigger and get a light primer strike in the middle of a gun fight, right? You train to tap and rack. Same in this scenario no different. People will say and do anything to knock a product.
I was a DT instructor at my academy in NY. We taught that if you ever use your weapon as an impact weapon you need to do a “slap and rack” regardless if you are going to shoot or not.
My new PDP-F doesn't do this. Slide out of battery, pull the trigger and hold it, back off, let go of the trigger and the trigger resets as it should. Maybe Walther fixed this issue? Agree that a dead trigger in this scenario makes the pistol a no-go for LE. Hope they fixed it in the duty models, this thing is an awesome alternative to a Block.
Just purchased a PDP Compact 4” DE 2022 I cannot recreate return to battery FTF condition. My gun fires under such circumstance.
How many ppl paused the video, pulled their carry and tested this out of battery thing???
I did
Mine shoots out of battery. Go figure. I guess its not supposed to? But out of battery, the pdp barrel and slide are fully intact and seem operational. I pull the trigger and hear a click
Well I had to try both my PDP’s. My PDP compact pro did it. My gen one PDP Full size with threaded barrel did not , it reset!
MEEEE! I tried it with my PDP and i had a dead trigger, Tried it with my PPQ5 SF and it didnt have that issues
Came across this video and just wanted to give some personal experience. Own several Glocks and had acquired two PDP's (4" & 4.45").
As mentioned in your video, when using the full size framed PDP with the Standard trigger, and the slide is pressed to the rear far enough (15mm or 9/16"), you'll hear an audible click and the trigger disconnects, allow the slide to go back into battery, you have a dead trigger as you conveyed.
Have to rack slide to get a live trigger again. This is replicated with both a 4" and 4.5" PDP full size.
However, and this is my personal experience (other's mileage may vary), when I installed the Walther Dynamic Performance Trigger into the 4.5" the dead trigger issue does not occur with this trigger kit installed. Don't know if it's tolerance stacking or the changes in geometry with the trigger bar and sear assembly with the Dynamic Performance trigger.
Granted my sample size is only 2 PDP's, but with oem PDP trigger - dead trigger occurs, Dynamic trigger installed - it does not occur.
Thanks, I was looking for a workable replacement. The trigger thing has me cross about this pistol but since its one in hand better find something for it that negates this issue.
just tried the PPQ V2, same feature. HK P30 works fine.
I have a new PDP Pro compact, and it does not have this flaw. If I push the slide out of battery, pull the trigger it will not fire(trigger is dead), but hold the trigger down, get the slide back in battery, let go of the trigger and pull it again, it fires.
There are 2 simple fixes to this if you have the old version of the PDP. 1) Install a threaded barrel. 2) Install a light or Lazer on the rail that extends past the slide.
The P10 remains one of the most underrated striker guns on the market. The only trouble is that the P10f is Shaq big and the P10c is g19ish, but they're reasonably inexpensive, reliable, rugged, optics ready is available, and I dig the factory flat trigger.
A lot of people sleep on CZ. P10 is a great pistol.
love my p10c
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Yeah I would love on but I have smol baby hands. All CZs have been on a fire sale lately, I think they’re offloading them to make room for new designs. Hoping for a slimmer model soon.
Lol
Part 2/2. You have to know guns to understand this issue, the pdp is basically a single action, not a traditional striker fired gun. Glocks have a sear that moves backwards with the trigger until it hits a certain point and moves downwards out from under the striker, thereby pushing the striker backwards some. The PDP has a latch sear. When the slide is racked the striker sear catches on a small latch in the frame, the trigger unblocks the sear, and the spring pressure pulls hard enough on this latch sear that the striker pushes it down and fires. Where they are misleading is that it doesn't decock all of the time. This feature only happens when the slide is pushed out of battery until the barrel just tilts downward, before the slide can move away from the breach itself. Thereby the barrel and breach face or not actually out of battery. At this point the striker is almost at its resting point, but has enough tension that the trigger acts normally. If the slide is moved more than 1/8" then pulling the trigger will have no effect. If the trigger were held it wold be like holding the trigger down for a reset. This function allows for one to carry a live round with a dead trigger if they are not comfortable carrying a striker fired pistol. To re engage the sear, the slide must be pulled back approx. 1/8" or more, unlike a glock that would have to be fully racked. Also with the barrel tilted down and the slide pushed back, the striker shouldn't extended past the breach face, since it doesn't have the pressure; and the round will be moved so that the primer is not in a direct path with the striker. Someone else said this is a safety feature in the event the gunjams or doesn't go into battery, thereby disabling the gun until the operator confirms the gun is safe.
Now this feature is a liability to an officer, or more accurately to someone defending themselves from an attacker. I say this as most officers that use deadly force, do so around the magical 7 yard mark, and most attacks upon them are surprise attacks. If a suspected perpetrator is within that distance then the officer has messed up somewhere, and has lost control of the situation. Also if an officer is being attacked they should be using a different weapon than their side arm, as being in a scuffle would likely lead to loose and negligent shots fired in all directions. Other considerations to be had is that most officers don't fire their weapons in the actual line of duty, it is not unheard of for an officer to never have to fire their side arm. As Chris said at 6:15, it is somewhat low occurring for officers to be involved in shootings. However as the PDP sits I would not use it in this profession as is. When there is an officer involved shooting, the officer must justify their actions. The reason for the heavy trigger in most pistols, other than ND, is so that whoever is firing it has time to think, and possibly have time to defuse the situation at hand (in a defensive situation). The problem here is that the trigger on PDP is too light to allow this time and consideration. It is the nicest stock trigger I have seen on the market, it is lighter than most other guns, and crisper than most of those that are lighter. For example it is lighter than factory glock and m&p, but it is crisper than the canik tp9 sfx which is a direct clone of a walther p99.
I said earlier "or anyone defending themselves," this also includes everyday people. This gun has 3 barrel lengths and 2 frame sizes, 4", 4.5", 5", as well as full and compact frames. The full size is obviously made as a duty pistol, while the compact is concealed carry. If your everyday person must use this weapon in self defense, it follows the same rules as officers, they must justify their actions. The only difference is if the officer perceives a threat they may pull their side arm depending on policy, while some states say citizens may meet force with force, and others are duty to retreat. In a justifiable case, the firearm has been pulled and can be used accordingly. In this case the trigger wouldn't matter.
In both cases, if in a scuffle on the ground, as some martial arts teach, if you are on your back you are in the most vulnerable position. If you can get your pistol good, however if in this position most likely you have already failed. Now as far as pressing the firearm into someone, that is complete hooey. Firstly you should never be that close, with a weapon drawn. Chicago defense training has become an absolute punching bag, but he had point once, if a gun can be grabbed and the slide held out of battery it is of no use or danger to anyone. Secondly officers, and some civilians carry with weapon lights. If striking someone, then it should be done with the finger off the trigger, and with the WML, not the muzzle. There have been videos made, and an entire philosophy around WMLs, and that is the reason the bezel extends past the muzzle. This is only a problem on the 5" pdp, as a tlr1/2 will sit flush with the muzzle, not extend past it. The 4" and 4.5" the light will extend past the muzzle.
TL:DR this gun is a great gun, but earlier than 2023 would not be recommended for use as a duty pistol, shootings are rare, and you shouldn't be too close to an attacker. The design of the pistol allows the decocking of the striker, and is actually a safety feature.
Chris Palmer’s framing of this conversation is spot-on.
He’s right in a lot of ways. Walther fixed this “feature” earlier this year
I tried this with both of my PDPs, and I guess they were both made after it was fixed
You've got to ask yourself as an agency making a huge purchase:
1) Do I go with a tool that has been consistent, reliable, effective, over the course of nearly 40 years
2) Do I go with something new and fresh, but is redundant to everything on the market?
as someone who shoots the 40 year model and still likes it i would definitly pic a pdp especially now knowing that the issue that is talked about in this video has already been resovled by walther
@@boomee78how has it been resolved? I have the PDP 2.0 but it says 2022 on the frame and mine has this trigger issue where you have to rack the slide after pulling the gun out of battery.
@mmafanatic-tz5or 2023 have resolved your pistol is working fine mine both have the featuer thats how the pistol was made to function. But since people got freaked out walther listened and changed it on 2023 models. Stop freaking oit because one cop says they didnt recomend it i can tell you cops opinion differ on these subjects get over it 😤
@@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd Not sure if sarcasm, or nonsensical. The 92FS is large, heavy, and has an inconsistent trigger that is difficult to train. The Glock 17 (and now Glock 45) are the industry standard for size/weight and trigger discipline. The Beretta is expensive to repair and difficult to accessorize.
@@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd I suggest you not make assumptions. I carry a CZ75. I know my way around DA/SA guns. If I were a Chief of Police and I could go with something easier to train, purchase, and service, that's what I'd buy for my department. If DA/SA guns were better, there would be more on the hips of cops around the nation. There aren't. Your argument is moot.
I had a quick test (with dry guns obviously).
Canik Rival-S (which is Walther clone) does not fire when pressed against arm, but when bringing the gun back it fires normally.
My good old Walther P99 even fired when pressed very firmly against arm.
My Walther is PDP 2.0 with serial starting with FDN. It does not have that problem, anymore, goes bang.
My pdp pro sd does this, and it does it without pressing it out after battery. I've had it not fire on live rounds during a string of fire. It will fire that same round after pulling the slide back just far enough to reset the striker. Not optimal 😬
Ben kills me. Dude is Savage in all the correct ways. Sees BS and exposes it. Love him or hate him MF is real and real in this area is RARE
That’s why people in his field hate him
Walther already fixed this “feature” this is old news
@@notetaking9308old news because it’s been a feature since the p99. Weather did not announce the removal of this feature, Ben knows enough people at or connected to Walther that he should have reached out before posting old information. He’s not telling the whole story and he’s doing it for attention.
@@notetaking9308the longer slide travel to disconnect was a feature, not a problem. We changed it because training, technology and customer demands change. You are correct, I cannot post the serial number cutoffs, though I don’t work in supply chain.
@@notetaking9308 How many people actually had an issue with this? How many times has this came up? How many millions of other striker fired pistols do the same thing? Cherry picking a few examples that don't do it doesn't mean anything.
I took a class with bill
Blowers last summer, walther guy of course, and he did announce that to the class when we were going over malfunctions. I think it’s a transparent thing they don’t hide, I bought mine for a training and competition gun I don’t carry one.
Funny, I don't see it mentioned in any of their advertising/literature.
Not getting that with the three I have.
Love your honestly. Thank you.
What do you think about the beavertail design on the PDP? I noticed with most other handguns the web of the hand can be jammed further up into the beavertail depending how aggressive your grip is, but not with the PDP. It only allows the web of the hand to only go so far and no further. Anyone else have an issue with this?
Thought it was just my hands. Guess I'm not the only one. It doesn't matter how high I push up on it, the gap remains.
That might be you no issues for myself
I don't have that issue. I use a thumbs high grip which allows me to keep the web of my hand high in the beavertail. Not an issue for me.
Just tested my PDP Pro SD Compact. Trigger reset and “fired”. Looks like it was fixed in the 2.0 versions. 2:18
Depending on your holster, it's possible to nudge the slide out of battery while holstering the gun. Even if the gun returns to battery, you could potentially draw a dead gun???!!!
Not really a deal breaker for me personally, but I can see how a department would see it as one.
If you put a Surefire X300T light on your Walther Pistol this issue goes way because the barrel never gets pushed in (the light does).
My Arex Delta is safe *phew* and it is almost half the price of a PDP! I'm now rethinking of getting a PDP. I was thinking of getting the F series.
F seris dosent do that and newer 2023 pdps dont either
@@boomee78 ooooo then I am getting and F series afer all hahah
Besides the current change walther did to them, I personally think if you want something that just runs until you no longer run, get a da/sa. P99, 226, p09
Gen 1’s have this issue, Gen 2’s with the revised optic mounts resolved this
I have been entirely unable to replicate this with my PDP, unless I push on it so far that the gun comes out of battery, in which case no striker fired gun will fire.
You probably have a new one where walther removed this “feature,” which was done earlier this year so this video is outdated clickbait.
@@jenskrogh1936 Can Walther “removing the feature” actually be verified? Because I’ve got a PPQ and Q5 match that are essentially the same firing mechanism and neither of them do that either. Because if it’s conjecture and not a verifiable claim, this video seems like much to do over nothing. Maybe even a made up problem?
@@abowens777google my name Jens Krogh and Walther. It’s verified.
@@jenskrogh1936where's the link where Walther claimed they addressed this issue
I just verified and my 4.5 inch PDP Pro does NOT have that "feature". It works just like mine Glock 34.
I had massive extractor issues with the full size PDP and issues with slide locking back. Customer service was terrible
I ordered one of these in a steel frame, and handled the polymer frame version yesterday (3/13/24) - I tried repeating that flaw shown in the video, the one I handled didn't do that, it did what it was supposed to do. Maybe Walther saw the vids and made corrections since then or it's not a universal problem.
Part 1/2. I have read quite a few of the comments, and I think a lot of people are missing the point one way or another. For what Chris was saying, the pdp with this design is a liability to officers. That issue has been resolved, according to this comment section, as of 2023. I will post another technical comment, but this video is misleading, and I don't believe they understand the issue enough to know how it happens. Rewatching the video, at 5:15, it is clear Ben intended to mislead the audience, and clickbait us to watch. He directly said he had hoped Chris would agree to say this gun could/ would get you killed due to some factory defect. This is not the case, and there is nothing directly wrong with the pistol. The overlooked point is that this is a safety feature. What some people don't realize is that the pdp is pretty much single action. Some people aren't comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber, which is why there is Israeli carry. This function actually allows the decocking of the gun, so a round can be carried in the chamber without fear, or so that it can be stored without fully dry firing the gun. I know walther calls it the performance duty pistol, but you can tell they focused on performance not duty.
TL:DR the video is misleading, the gun is fine, there is actually a reason for this function, and this is more of a performance gun than a duty gun.
Why would you want to carry a round in the chamber with the striker decocked when it's not double action? It might make sense with a hammer fired single action pistol since you can cock the hammer, but intending on pulling the slide back just enough to cock the striker but not eject the round sounds like a silly way to carry. The P99 QA - which can't be fired if decocked - has a decocker button, but it's only intended for disassembly to prevent dummies from shooting themselves if they disassemble it with a round in the chamber.
@@riflemanm16a2 I won't say that disassembly isn't the reason for this function, it might very well be. The reason I stated that people might carry chambered, but decocked, is for a few reasons. 1 this model of Walther has a really light trigger, it is considerably less than that of others, ie Glock. 2 I have friends and family that have been carried everything from revolvers to Glocks, and they would happily trust a 1911 condition 1, but carry revolvers with the first cylinder empty. That isn't to say they can't be trusted, I was just saying not everyone trusts them. 3 the amount of travel it takes to recock a pdp is the same amount to check that there is a round chambered. Also from what I have personally seen of violent encounters, it is best to get away/out of sight while pulling a gun, not try John wick mode.
@@Thevoiceofsomething I can see that. The P99 QA takes maybe one millimeter to cock, but it is half cocked like a Glock, so I wasn’t sure if it was the same for the PDP. I myself am a little hesitant to carry fully cocked striker pistols without manual safeties, preferring DA/SA, so I understand the hesitation. Personally, I’d forget to cock the striker if I carried like that, especially since the PDP lacks the red indicator on the back of the slide like the P99 and Canik pistols. Thanks for taking the time to explain.
@@riflemanm16a2 you're welcome, it is always good to learn something new. I have always loved the p99, but never got the opportunity to get one, so I don't know much about them, so I have learned new things. I will say the pdp is based around the same trigger group, but is an " evolution"... So basically it is the same, but different, if that makes any sense. Also they put an extractor chamber indicator on the pdp. So it kind of sucks. Also I understand your comment about forgetting, I'm sure you would know training is key. You carry how you feel comfortable. I always see people on the range, or Internet talking as if they have the best way to carry, no one does, they have the best way for them. For some it's appendix, others it is small of the back, others it's the drop leg inside the pants that you pull up through you waist band, etc. Being comfortable carrying is as important as concealing the fact you are carrying. When I do general outside work I have a Blackhawk omnivore tlr1, I can reach the trigger with my finger. But I don't carry loaded unless I'm hunting, or with a pdp or beretta, since I mostly have it for snakes. But may I suggest watch a video by Agilite. It's called IDF Pistol Technique in 5 Minutes. They explain why they carry they way they do, but in showing how they do it they show that it can be incredibly efficient.
Damn, I love my PDP. I didn't know this. I'll have to go down to my safe and see if mine reacts this way. It was my EDC before my Staccato.
Did it react this way? If so is your PDP the 1.0 or 2.0 and does it say 2023 or 2022
I have two C2's, one iron sights and one with optic tall sights (which I now wish were the short regular sights) with a Holosun 507c Vulcan. I've not shot the C2 with the 507c in fear of causing an idiot scratch on the final slide-stop pin assembly step, which I did scratch my first C2 when assembling the first cleaning before firing...and each time I clean it, the scratch gets worse 🥺 Dang, the Staccato's are tight (which is why they are so accurate), so it's easy to to have the slide-stop pin dive down and scratch the frame when pressing in the pin!!! How do you get your slide-stop pin in without scratching the frame??????
I got a pdp thinking the same thing, I would carry it...found this tp be an issue and decided against it. Also I have seen 3 of them slide stops stop working after alot of rounds wo cleaning
Just tried it on a PDP Pro at the LGS. No “flaw” observed.
The issue is fixed on the gen 2 Walter's mine doesn't do that
Bought a PDP pro full size about 6 weeks ago, saw this video and felt sick for a moment. Got home and proceeded to test it and mine fires every time. Does anyone know if Walther addressed this problem or is something different with the pro ?
Does your PDP pro say 2022 or 2023 on the frame?
@@mmafanatic-tz5or 05 2023
@trentlaney5762 the feature was changed for 2023 models
I’ve got an 11lb spring with a titanium guide rod and the dynamic trigger. Haven’t had this happen at all. I have a 5” compact. I’m wondering if they fixed it? 🤔 or I could just be lucky I guess. 😂
You're the second person on here stating this, and it's interesting you both noted you have the 5 inch version. Interesting.
Walther fixed this “feature” earlier this year, is your gun newer?
I bought a new Walther 1.0 when they first came out. I never had it misfire or have any jam, problems with factory 9mm ammunition. I honestly don't think a CQB type shooting or scuffle is realistic unless you work corrections, SRT or a SWAT type post.
I have a PDP C(2nd Gen) and this feature is not present. Could it possibly be a Gen1 issue?
Nope if your pistol was made in 2023 the feature is romived dosent matter what gen cut you have.
Feel of recoil and muzzle rise ARE inversely proportional, if the ammo is constant.
That is so weird and something I would have never imagined even thinking about. I pulled out my Glock, my PDP and one of my Caniks. Glock worked fine because it's Glock. I figured since the Canik is kind of a license trigger or whatever from Walther maybe it would have that same issue and it didn't. Then I tried my other Canik, first being the TP9 SFx, second being the Mete, neither one did it. Getting progressively more annoyed, I grabbed one of my VP9s, zero issue. Then moved to my Hellcat RDP with the compensator (love it because it's the only micro I don't hate with a passion) and then the Sig P365XL. Neither had an issue. I quit pulling out pistols and doing this after that because I was getting more and more pissed and my wife thinking I'm more of a dipshit than she previously thought. Not a single one did it except the PDP. I'm annoyed because I shoot the PDP really well, nothing close to world class but getting better. Chances of me in what I do day to day running into that issue are so entirely small I shouldn't be annoyed but just knowing what this video illustrated is going to bother me every time I look at the Walther.
I used to carry a Walther PPQ M2 40 cal for per diem work and it was a very accurate and reliable pistol. I now carry an issued Gen 5 G19. Love the Glock for being simple and having way cheaper mags. The Gen 5 is also very accurate with the new barrels. There was one other guy I worked with that had a PPQ 9mm. We were odd balls that loved something that seemed more refined than a Glock for our own weapon selection.
Anybody have evidence that this is an issue with the SD PRO?
I absolutely love the straightforward, no BS talk from Chris Palmer. I wish I would have seen this video before I bought mine. That being said, mine is the PDP F-Series 3.5 inch barrel, and it does not have this "feature"! The trigger does not go dead on this one like the one in this video. I bought mine about 1 month ago, so they may have fixed this?
Same , can confirm that the PDP F-series 4 .0 inch barrel does not have this malfunction. Tried to induce about a dozen times.
Walther already fixed this “feature” on standard PDP’s and the f-series never had it
@@jenskrogh1936 Nice! Appreciate the clarification!
I can confirm this is true. I have the 4 inch. The malfunction does not occurs. Good to go boys.
The thing I always sperg out about is striker fired (or any single action) that drops the striker with a modest impact. Walther and HK definitely fall into this category. If you fell or got tackled with the gun on and it hits the ground, now it needs to be racked again before it fires.
I was trained to rack on a fall in LOCKUP/Soulis Shooting Systems, but it was more of an insurance policy. I've never seen a Glock have a dead trigger from a drop.
Any single action? I don't find your statement to be true for me, carried a 1911 on duty for years had lots of dynamic situations without experiencing a dead trigger, same with the 226, 220, and others. Can you point me to the source of this information?
I had to get to two PDP just now to try this.
Weird that my PDP Pro isn’t doing what you demonstrated. I copied your exact movements and mine will still fire. How many PDPs has this been tested on ?
Pro is the best PDP. Definitely understand departments sticking with Glocks just for ease of administrative redundancy and armorers not needing to update training.
You have a newer one? Walther fixed this feature earlier this year.
@@jenskrogh1936yeah it was bought pretty recently. That’s pretty interesting tho I didn’t know that.
@@TheRancor53honestly I don’t see why they would even change from carrying a Glock anyway.
I texted this on my pdp about a year old. Didn’t happen, I got trigger reset every time
I just checked all of my PDP's and this does NOT happen.. maybe it was the case with the 1.0's but the 2.0's it doesn't happen
Walther says this issue was addressed "fixed" in newer builds. Is that correct?
Doesn't happen on the PDP pro
Answering my own question, maybe . But it could be the trigger group, think the only difference is trigger and threaded barrel internally.
As far as the difference, as compared to what? I'm genuinely asking, what are we comparing the pdp and ppq, pdp and pdp pro...
As for the trigger group, that is the cause. It is also the striker, but don't think of the pdp as traditional striker pistol, but as a single action only. The reason it can do this is because when the slide is pushed back, and the trigger is pulled it allows the striker to override the sear. This is a safety feature as someone else said, to keep the gun from firing after a jam and make sure the operator has cleared the jam/gun properly.
@brettvanderpool9546 I am strictly speaking of the PDP pro because it the one I have. As I said in my first post, this problem is not an issue with my pdp pro.
You are correct, the only difference internally, is the trigger and barrel. I don't know if it is yours being a newer example, or if it is the enhanced trigger. I do know a quick search of the two triggers reveals a different design of the striker block disengagement nubs on the trigger bar, and Walther states the dynamic trigger is redesigned to be lighter... So it could have been part of this quiet redesign they did.
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I own a PDP, but I'm not a Cop. I agree with this guy. I want something that's gonna work no matter the situation
I stopped carrying my 2022 pdp model due to that exact issue. I contacted Walther, hoping they would fix this since its a factory issue, but they recommended that I buy a new updated slide from them for 300$ smh!! First walther and will be my last.
I checked with a PPQ M1 and it would fire.
So to avoid this-maybe a threaded barrel or comp??
IDK, my husband and I have two of the PDP F models and non of them have that issue.
PDP is being sold today, thanks for this. Can't accept that risk.
Big non issue for me, walther fixed it anyway. Outshoots and is better than anything else in its category
Is that why the only people you've heard of shooting them get them for free?
Outshoots everything else in its category? Slow down buddy. Walther can’t even beat CZ in ANY category, let alone this one
This was so insightful. I am only a range shooter only, so I wouldn't care much about it, but I do like to hear professionals talking about guns from a different angle.
PPQ M1 does this as well
My firearm ( FDQ 2022) when cocked and slightly out of battery will fire.
Ben you honestly grind my gears man always getting me thinking 😂
Fixed in newer models.
So, I tested this out. The amount of force and angle you have to be at to make it happen is significant, meaning there is a "sweet spot" you have to hit. A little bit before it you can still pull the trigger, a little after the trigger will reset. From his perspective I get his reasoning, but for the average carrier this is kind of like the CQB fantasy most gun guys have, it will never happen if we are being realistic. I just posted because my knee jerk reaction was "ok here we go again, my chosen weapons now sucks." Don't run out and sell your PDP's over this one.
@kevinallies1014 I know what it is, I've watched the video and replicated it right here in my house with this very same gun. The scenario involves pressing the gun into another person during a scuffle, hence force on the front of the weapon in order to get it out of battery. The window, and angle, to make this happen is very small, which is my point, the odds of this happening for most is almost zero.
@@gator7082why carry equipment that makes it arbitrarily harder to survive a violent encounter?
@@TheOtherVenkman Because I've watched their video, weighed it against what I know and deemed it not an issue. You know we are allowed to do that right? You can think for yourself. This is like the P320 non issue that nobody seems to have even though there a billion of them on the streets.
Does the PPQ also have this "feature" ?
It's literally the exact same internals.
I wonder if the recoil spring has something to do with the snappy feel...is it lighter than on other guns or something? That would be my first guess.
Upgrade to a 15lb, with a metal guide rod. It makes a big difference.
Heavy recoil spring + Walther's stepped chamber design causing rounds to have a little more oomph than out of a normal chamber.
Didn’t happen on my pdp I tried multiple times same as you demonstrated. They must have fixed it
Is it the same for the PDP-F? 😳🤔
Nope! Also. Or like this for PDP anymore, Walther removed this feature.
@@jenskrogh1936, thanks! 👍
@@jenskrogh1936 Is the new batch of PPQ Q5/Q4 SFs fix'd as well?
I have a PDP Compact 4" purchased in 2024 and this is not an issue with my firearm.
I wonder if Canik suffers the same problem?
Wonder if the P99 & PPQ have these issues? Thanks for the share!!
They did have the same “feature” newer 4” and 4.5” PDP’s do not have this “feature”
By new version are we talking about the one with the better optic cut slide?
@@RogerLoUSPSAone marked 2023 on the frame. Some of the V2 optics cuts are still the old style disconnector cut
I just tried this with my PPQ M2. The striker breaks when it is out of battery (pressed against my arm) therefore when released from arm contact the trigger is dead and the slide has to be racked again to reset the trigger. I did not try it out of battery with a live round. I think that would be catastrophic.
I'm curious if the PPQ had this issue.
It had this “feature” the newest PDP’s have eliminated this “feature.” Basically all the 4&4.5” guns imported since February
I've been shooting the PPQs in competition since 2017, and the Walther Steel Frame since 2018. They ALL do this. Known issue. If you use the muzzle to strike open a port, it will move it out of battery and dead trigger will result. You have to rack the slide to get it back running. Other option is to hold your thumb on the back of the slide keeping it in battery during a muzzle strike.
@@aaronbrulc3276 I'm glad I sold my PPQ then. I don't see the purpose of this design.
I see comments that say Walther fixed this feature for newer guns, too bad they had it because now it's in the DNA of the pistol and people will harp on it forever. The guns that were made before the fix, if there really was a fix, will still exist so I guess it's a feature you have to be aware of either way.
My PPQ does not have this problem at all
1) I know it's a PITA but you should do the clearing thing. Watch the FBI guy and the school kids where he shoots himself in the leg. It's impossible to be too safe, ESPECIALLY if you are going to point the gun at yourself and pull the trigger. 2) This issue bothers me but not enough to not buy the gun. I am just buying it as a range toy. 3) If I was a police officer, no way I would use that gun, absolutely deadly flaw that could get you killed.
Thanx for pointing this out in so much detail. They supposedly fixed it on the F, wonder if the PDP Pro does this?
Huge thanks
So how much does this happen? It's being claimed that it happens, so what are the numbers?
from what I understand, on every gun. It's a design thing.
@Kodreanu23 I'm curious as to, how often it's happening to cops in the field during OICI.
@@andychanny well, once is too much. If you know that risk you aren't carrying it. That's what they diacussed in the video when drawing a comparison with cars.
@Kodreanu23 I watched the discussion. Since Chris said it's happening at his PD and across the nation, I'm asking if there are any rough numbers.
People have indeed died after being tased...tasers aren't being dismissed from use in the police world.
I'm just looking for some simple rough estimates.
@@andychanny no point. Almost every is having this issue and why would you gamble if you know the risk and possible consequences of that risk.
PDP Pro SD models should be unaffected by this design "feature". I recently purchased the PDP Pro SD Compact 4.6" as my first handgun and I'm a happy owner so far. **UPDATE** I'm wrong. Since my gun and I are currently separated by 6000 miles, I incorrectly assumed the above. I have since seen where the threaded barrel suffers the same issue. I did purchase a HA comp recently so maybe that will mitigate the issue.
No press check
Hopefully, Walther will address that " feature " ?
Don't hold your breath buddy. They responded to one of my videos explaining that the snappiness I complained about came from their step chambered barrel technology, which allows the gun to push out 9mm rounds at a higher velocity than its competitors.
I'm still waiting on that lab test to prove it.
@parunbelhomme your still sore and complaining about this, lol. If the feature set isnt to your liking then go to another fire arm
@@boomee78 Sore? You joking right? Oh and thanks for the suggestion. I didn't think I could switch to another platform until you brought that up. Silly me! Any recommendations?
@@parunbelhomme glock smith and wesson beretta zev oz9
Walther did remove this feature from the pdp. The info in this video is dated and wrong for current rev guns.
Maybe Walther is trying to get some of that P320 market share?
@@notetaking9308no the walthers arnt sig by any means also the feature based on this video is old
Does that happen with the pdp compact version as well?
Umm - I can’t seem to get my 5” PDP to do it . But I don’t use my PDP much anyway as occasionally my grip style, that I’m comfortable with on my TXG module Sig’s, will engage the mag release on the PDP- but that’s just a me thing . Nice to hear someone push back on the 2011 for carry trend - great guns but having to deal with a more complex manual of arms in a real high speed high stress scenario ( outside competition ) seems unnecessary when the high quality strikers are absolutely good enough for almost any application. Marketing + hype = better ? but in reality it’s just that folks love buying new guns that look cool . I pinned my grip safety on my competition 9mm 1911 just because I couldn’t be bothered with it slowing me down if I didn’t get it right.
When did you get your pdp and does it have the 1.0 or 2.0 optic footprint? All the 2.0s were fixed to where this "feature" no longer exists.
@@TerminalM193 I got mine in Canada not long after they came out - Gen1.0 optic footprint
@@TerminalM193 My PDP SD Pro with the 2.0 footprint does it as does my PPQ M1.
@@TerminalM193not all 2.0s. apparently it looks like only ones manufactured with 2023 (this year) were fixed. Walther should've done a recall. If you bought the Walther when it came out, you were dealt with an inferior optic system that was smooth, Walther 'fixes it' by putting grooves and lugs. Now I'm hearing that they fixed the trigger reset issue.
The only question that matters… Does Steven Seagal use it? - High opinion Low commitment guy
I had no idea about this “ feature”. I think thats a good name for it. S&W had a feature in one of their models back when, were if you dropped/lost the mag, even with 1 in the chamber it would not fire. Their logic was to save an officers life if his gun was taken away.
Features like this are made, in my opinion, from someone(s) who probably has not been in a close contact. Because its all about perspective. That one round may save your ass if you’re still aggressive.
My perspective is based off a close contact incident using a P226. The gun worked. Had this feature been on the 226 in my incident I would not had the other hand free to cycle the slide ,because I was grabbing the future dead guy, nor the time and my team mate most likely would have taken some impacts.
Magazine disconnect. It was on the early M&Ps, and I do mean EARLY. I found out about it when I bought a police trade-in M&P in .40. It was a requirement for duty pistols for a long time in certain LE agencies.
Walther already fixed this “feature”
@@aggrodkreg4321 at least on the M&P it takes about 3 minutes to remove it
S&W 5946 and 3953 have the magazine disconnect that does not allow firing with magazine removed or unseated. Still in use by the RCMP today. Terrible feature and a gun completely unsuitable for current policing needs. I know of one incident where it at least in part contributed to an officer’s death.
@@jenskrogh1936they didn't fix ish. Everyone keeps saying this but yet Walther never made an announcement. Heck how come many gun tubers don't mention this?
Yep!! Couldn’t agree more Lol 😂🤷♂️👍
The sig 320 will fire. It will also fire uncommanded.